game-update

[meager flame]

In part yeah

Also because they're so painfully obvious it would simply take one person a couple of minutes

[rare grotto]

how would regular joes get hands on these bots, keep in mind if u use "simple" bots eg autoclicker u get nuked

[meager flame]

You would purchase them

Thats ultimately what happens

[rare grotto]

then they're not regular joes tho

[meager flame]

They will be if it goes back to how it was

Everyone's used their stuff on osrs too

Same people that eventually made osbuddy

There's also a layer of what the bots are actually doing to the game that matters

Like ultimately they're selling gold right and that sucks but

You can somewhat control which content the bots are going to via how long it takes and how often theyre banned cutting into those profits

Like if getting to doom took you 3 weeks of botting and you seemed to get banned most of the time

They're going to figure out a more profitable angle

Like for example revs

So you wouldve saved your pvm guys the grief of their existence by splitting the bots off to doing something they're unlikely to be doing themselves

It still sucks but its not as bad

[rare grotto]

you're overestimating jagex' influence on what is worth to do or not

you just cannot increase ban frequency without it biting u in the longterm

[meager flame]

Im pretty sure thats one of their bigger strategies that they talked about a long time ago

[rare grotto]

it just loses you money

[meager flame]

They cant ban them all but they can hide them from the players

To some degree

[rare grotto]

sure

my point is that such a thing is just for optics, rather than an actual solution

[meager flame]

I think its a bit more than that

I think most players coexist with bots or even low key are happy they exist when they're off doing something like getting 126 fishing

Because they want cheap supplies and nobody really fishes for gp

Its very different when they pull up on the latest boss and directly compete with you though

[rare grotto]

yeah you'd have to check the actual gp/hr (which is impossible to predict without insider data) but it could very well be that you have way more costs due to supplies, but also rares being worth more

could be less gp/hr or more, can't really say

it's a feelings thing though

it feels bad if rares are worth "less"

but it doesn't feel good if supplies are cheap

so ppl just focus on the negatives

idr which item it was but recently it was darrows or bolts or something that heavily spiked in price

or some other supply item

and ppl malded

pick ur poison type shit imo

[meager flame]

The biggest thing they did wrong with doom is just that

You can more or less just walk in

I feel like they really didn't think about the access requirements at all lol

[rare grotto]

ppl will complain if supplies cost a lot (esp if they're "dry")
ppl will complain if rares are cheap (even if supplies are extremely cheap as well)

[rare grotto]

yeah their design philosophy has been very ironman friendly

[meager flame]

Its like the zulrah fail where you do some minimal questing and you're in

[rare grotto]

and thus easy for bots as well

😂

[meager flame]

Idk if doom is even really iron friendly like

Actual people will struggle with doom for a variety of reasons that bots will have perfect gameplay to address

So the average player even doing the boss likely has done tons of content leveled a bunch of skills etc

[kind surge]

you just need void and synapses to start farming doom

I'd say it's fairly iron friendly

[meager flame]

But the door is wide open for a bot to come in with mostly free gear and some scurrius kc

Yes and no I think the gear to do the boss is easy to get of course

They'll probably want brews so thats something to go do

But for real people the barrier is really just the gameplay which is fine for real people it works

[rare grotto]

there's no issue here rly, it's just a consequence of how they design content. Making stuff accessible for ironmen/noobs is just inherently making it easy for bots

and they WANT a lot of ppl to engage with it

[meager flame]

But all of those real people successfully fighting this boss are probably also all fairly invested accounts tons of unlocks and levels completed

[rare grotto]

so they will never stray away from that

expect any future piece of content to be doable in low gear (even if mechanics might be more "difficult")

[meager flame]

Jagex could have asked them for some of those accomplishments to enter without bothering the real people

Just to head off the scurrius to doom pipeline

[rare grotto]

naw avg account is rly dogshit

thats why they do'nt wanna put reqs on new content

it's good for them because any content they release will have a lot of engagement

[meager flame]

I think they just placed a lot of silly value on some account that barely beat the quest being able to come see doom level 2

[rare grotto]

what kind of reqs would u have added

[meager flame]

Well id probably look at the average account they expected to farm the boss and pick from there so im not exactly sure yet but

[rare grotto]

what would u do if u end up in a situation where you either

1. have decent reqs, but low engagement
2. have low/no reqs, but high engagement

and option 2 makes you more money

[meager flame]

I think they could and maybe should start thinking about some kind of account score system that checks your levels quests dairies and completed CAs etc specifically to hurt people trying to bot

But keep it low enough that a real person wont run into it

The obv problem being youtube series accounts

When it comes to real people maybe getting excluded

So youd probably have to create some alternative path to doing some of that stuff

I guess you could even throw time played in there

basically something where normal people playing the game would easily get these numbers up across a bunch of different things and never get told to leave

but purpose built bots and the like would get pretty heavily griefed

[vestal cosmos]

Unfortunately that won't do anything, botters already have new bots AFK for many hours in random f2p locations where they won't get banned before starting to pump out gp

[meager flame]

it does though we kinda talked about it somewhere up there but simply wasting their time

is a huge w

obviously the hardest shit jagex could ever do which they wont do

is actually just let the gold sellers roam free and simply perma ban every single account to ever trade any of them

that would actually destroy 99% of the motivation for huge botting operations

no reason to bot for most of these guys if theres no profit because their market is enjoying a perma ban

unfortunately its probably too many real people who pay jagex too for them to actually do it

[finite tapir]

am i stupid or

[mint wolf]

You need to unlock the option to kill Avansie

[finite tapir]

?

[mint wolf]

Go to unlock tab in slayer master… scroll down and find it

[finite tapir]

did you even look at the images

[mint wolf]

Bad rng then

[finite tapir]

??/

ok so you didn't look at the images

cool

[ember token]

probably didnt actually open them, as its not visible from the thumbnail preview

just wondering, do you have 60 strength AND 60 agility, or just one of the 2

i know you should just need 1 or the other but im wondering if they bugged it and now you need both

[hard axle]

Another bug likely

74 slayer but assigned to kill Cerb was one that I saw

[frail nebula]

The boss task in particular does not appear to have been checking any requirements

Like DT2 bosses without DT2 done

which actually means that for a very brief window of time

you could have actually used a slayer helm in dt2

if you got lucky

[finite tapir]

catplush

[finite tapir]

i have both

[hard axle]

i mean....

if u really need the 15% oomph for a nerfed quest boss and are willing to hunt it or passively get it

that seems

[hard axle]

still waiting for boss tasks to be like 200 kc

[frail nebula]

Nah I'm just remarking on it being a funny possibility

[hard axle]

they're so fucking rare

still waiting for huey, corp, nm to be on-task

[frail nebula]

I think they should just remove the boss slayer task

[hard axle]

dude...

they're so good

[finite tapir]

new idea Golden boss slayer task

[hard axle]

TRUE

[frail nebula]

I think they're just unhealthy for the game

[finite tapir]

some times when getting a boss slayer task you will get a golden boss slayer task instead which has 10x the amount of kills of normal boss slayer tasks

[hard axle]

golden KQ and golden whisperer

[finite tapir]

golden zuk

[frail nebula]

I like the fact that recent bosses have generally not been doable on task

I just really hate the slayer helm as a concept tbh

[hard axle]

It's the same as daeyalt essence for me - The net amount of KC per hour remains the same when you factor in the time to get task, but actually doing the activity is faster

[stuck mauve]

i see

[hasty shard]

i think they should still be doable on task just without the slayer helm buff

its easier to argue why a slayer helm wouldnt work in toa than zebak not being a crocodile

zebak is a crocodile come on

same for yama he could just have 'no slayer helm moron' in his contract

[chrome lantern]

Technically for Yama too you don't actually kill him so possible reason as well

For not having a slayer task

Just defeat or lose

[hasty shard]

am i allowed to gesture to the other bosses we don't kill

[chrome lantern]

No, you can only say things that fit my narrative, thanks for asking

[hasty shard]

[chrome lantern]

;p

[hasty shard]

like akkha would be cool for spirituals cause you're technically killing him 5 times a raid

that and they butchered spirituals

still not fixed

[stuck mauve]

[molten basalt]

"elemental spells that are actually good? Nah, we can't be having that!"

[meager flame]

tbh the slayer helm as an idea is actually kinda stupid in general

like lol

it tried to do multiple things but you could argue jagex probably just shouldn't have done any of the above

remembering which slayer item to put on your head was annoying

the tasks and training slayer was really slow so they probably should've just buffed exp and changed tasks instead of just making you hit harder

and their fix is kind of a problem on its own because it deletes helmet variety

osrs kind of follows that logic a lot though so i guess its par for the course

they often use bad design as an excuse to make more stuff instead of simply addressing the original problem directly

[nocturne solstice]

Hmm I dont think its a bad idea but maybe the problem is we unlock it far too quickly. If your concern is helmet variety then maybe having it locked behind something like 90 slayer would be good as a strong late game unlock.

[minor whale]

If instead of a +15% or whatever damage and accuracy bonus, it just let you use a melee/range/mage helm on it to "store" the buffs of that helmet when on task, it'd be so much better balanced

[ember token]

would be a big bandaid fix

[minor whale]

I'd prefer a bandaid that the kinks can get worked out of later over "hehe we must make weird exceptions constantly to new bosses to explain why this boss TOTALLY isn't the slayer task we assigned"

[ember token]

well the solution to that is to remove the damage bonus from the slayer helm and instead just make boss tasks more slayer xp so boss tasks arent bad

[minor whale]

Removing the helmet slot's damage/bonuses entirely is a non-starter, unless you mean removing them solely from bosses

[ember token]

sorry yeah i mean from bosses

[round lintel]

why is the slayer helm bonus damage a bad thing for you guys now?

[ionic tartan]

Slayer helm bonus is good for when you kill suboptimal mobs.

But it's warping when applied to farmed bosses

[round lintel]

like which one?

[ionic tartan]

Every non-slayer-only boss. Like there's CAs that have to exclude slayer tasks because of how much quicker than normal you can kill a boss with a slayer helm bonus.

Another example, Feather hunter ca is done pretty much always with Avansie task.

[round lintel]

Every? Alright, lets say zulrah (you all mention zulrah for everything) you can get 45 seconds kill without a slayer task, even with the slayer task is average 1:10 kill. Lets say Zilyana task you can stay 50 kills in without leaving off task (time save using a slayer task for a 55 kills trip is 10 minutes overall)

Boss tasks are rare

so I dont know what you are saying

Brother Shadow is twice dps as any range/melee option on slayer task

shadow without a task

idk what you are saying but you might be just repeating something you heard from someone else

[ionic tartan]

What are you on? Where do I "mention Zulrah for everything"?

[round lintel]

I didnt say you

I said "You all" referring to everyone here

[ionic tartan]

And what's this whole thing about shadow? You know you can wear slayer helm with your shadow loadout?

[round lintel]

You mentioned Arma

I said to get the CA done you dont need a slayer task

shadow without a task is twice the dps as a task using tbow and max range

[ionic tartan]

Yeah, did you read what I said? "pretty much always done with Avansie task"

That's not the same as can't be done without a task or something. How does that address how slayer helm boost is warping?

[round lintel]

because is niche, do you find yourself skipping tasks until you get an avianse task to do 50-60 kree kills every day?

Do you find yourself getting a boss task from a boss you dont like to kill?

is niche

[ionic tartan]

Like you can do a lot of stuff without better gear, how is that a point about warping?

[narrow folio]

It's been so long this way it would just feel bad now to nerf it

[ionic tartan]

And yes, most efficient players that farm arma do so with a Avansie task (and/or boost/alt), that is the meta even if you want to be inefficient and just do Arma without it.

[narrow folio]

it's a cool feature of the skill and it would be stupid to remove it now

[ionic tartan]

Which is why I think it's good Jagex avoids adding more non-slayer-only bosses to slayer boss list until the slayer helm bonus on them is addressed. It's hard to nerf something that exists but at least it's not continuing that issue.

[ember token]

it's never been good for bosses:

• Bad for group content as it requires both players to be on the same task or otherwise if one player isn't, they're at a disadvantage compared to the other player
• Bad for actually doing bosses (being on slayer task should never be required for max dps against a boss)
• Prevents an actual boss slayer master from being a thing, as it would be too strong to be able to constantly get boss tasks and always take advantage of the slayer helm bonus
• Overall creates more work and inconsistencies in the game: combat achievements have to be designed around it, raid bosses can't be given slayer categories, etc. Sotetseg is a dark beast but nope, doesn't count as a dark beast, sorry
• Prevents some content from having boss tasks at all, like Nightmare and Corp
• Not specific to bosses but certainly more relevant to them; it prevents you from taking advantage of set effects because the slayer helm effect is always gonna be better

[narrow folio]

I don't think anything needs to be addressed out of the current slayer bosses

[ember token]

for actual slayer bosses, it's much less of an issue as they're designed around it in the first place

i have no problem with the slayer helm working on slayer bosses

[minor whale]

It's just sort of annoying that they clearly recognize it's too strong of a buff for current bosses so they've just stopped letting boss tasks exist for them

[narrow folio]

And the way it's been is fine? It's not like kreeara or kril needs a nerf in fun after all this time

Preventing future bosses is fine with me

Current ones are a nonissue

[ember token]

bringing up kree and kril is funny because it's not like all 4 of the gwd bosses havent been significantly trivialized enough over the past 12 years

[minor whale]

I just dislike systems with "This thing that should work doesn't because too strong, no we will not be addressing the thing that's too strong"

Just like how Confliction Gauntlets don't work with Shadow because instead of addressing Shadow first they just said eh fuck it we'll slap this weird conditional on the gauntlets that we swear we'll remove once we fix Shadow in 2029"

[ionic tartan]

Mage is just poorly designed and full of bandaids.
Autocast bad - powered staff.
Mage dps bad - shadow.
Non-megarare mage dps bad - Eye of Ayak, 50%-100% elemental weakness.

[narrow folio]

Slayer helm is strong but so is cannon, ancients aoe, etc but that's part of the charm and design and charm of old school. There's no reason or need to nerf helm on current non slayer task only bosses since that would take away a fun and great part of the skill. Game's full of exceptions and this is one of the least egregious. Consider player's fun when you try to force something for consistency.

Not against the idea that future non slayer specific bosses shouldn't benefit but boss alternative/boss tasks are fun and not that crazy for what they are.

Even royal titans right now can benefit from task so it's not like it's a hard no.

[ionic tartan]

I think it's that they want more slayer integration with bosses, but slayer helm bonus prevents more slayer integration with bossing because #game-update message

[ember token]

yep thats really what matters, as long as people are having fun, it doesn't matter if it causes issues or is problematic for game balance

[narrow folio]

What's the point of the integration if the dps bonuses don't apply?

[ember token]

believe it or not, slayer is actually a skill, not a minigame, so the main purpose of doing the skill is to gain slayer xp

they could increase the slayer xp from bosses to compensate and make doing them more viable for training slayer, as well as be able to actually add a boss slayer master without it being OP

[narrow folio]

Hard disagree on that if it involves nerfing current content viability like that

[ember token]

it doesnt affect any content viability because non-slayer bosses arent designed around being on task in the first place

[narrow folio]

and for 10 years players could do kree'ara on task so now it's that more miserable because of the nerf

If it was that easy, Jagex would've just nerfed the helm already

[ember token]

yeah jagex doesn't like to make these kind of decisions but they have been making progress (ex: jar of venom being untradeable instead of continuing to make jars tradeable when they werent meant to be, making newer bosses not killable on task)

[hasty shard]

i'll say it again they should just let everything count for the tasks they should, and restrict helm usage instead

or just make slayer helm a passive :clueless:

like rs3!

[hard axle]

pnm should be 120% fire weak

or else

[meager flame]

i mean if we were sane we'd just not have the helmet and marginally tweak exp rates

and not go through some insane saga of trying to figure out how to combine the helmets and buff players and differentiate where we thought we could allow the helm and where we couldn't etc etc

its prime jagex creating issues and then creating more issues to address the other ones

and it spawns out a huge chain of things they do when they could've just not

other examples would be the shadow

the blowpipe is another

they really like the idea of using a problem they currently have to generate more content instead of addressing the fundamental issue

and it sorta works but it also sorta doesn't because eventually it catches up with them

[finite tapir]

imo remove damage and acc bonus on bosses and compensate with a 1.25x multiplier on conversion of hp -> slayer xp, it can even keep the 5k bonus at the end for all i care

[obsidian venture]

I mean this basically sums it up

If your argument is that it ruins the fun or why change it after so long, then you probably don’t really care for game balance

Even the previous idea of having a sole slayer boss task master was shot down years back as that’d be absolutely cracked

Slayer helm having its damage for slayer bosses and mobs should suffice

Folks basically store shamans or mystics when doing cox/cms or speeds as it’s just that good

[meager flame]

tbh the slayer helm never should've worked for anything but slayer only bosses

[obsidian venture]

Yes

[meager flame]

its obviously toxic in the mentality of like

"oh i would do this boss but i should wait for a task"

for a million reasons from not being ready to go do things with your friend all the way to simply feeling pressured to do something you might not otherwise want to do in game

[idle rapids]

If you really wanna be efficient youd just boost the GWD bosses

Slayer helm pretty unnecessary in that case

100+ kph

[stuck mauve]

how do you bypass clue scroll box cap count, do you drop them in f2p and then pick up later or did you show a photoshopped image loiloiloi

[idle rapids]

Very close guess 😉

[idle rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/653640393572876310/1409105919278846023/bounce.gif

[royal orbit]

apologies, i was cleaning the keyboard 😅

[hard axle]

No-no, having elemental weakness is fine. It’s just Jagex refusing to let 1-3 pieces of content have elemental weakness be BIS because it means irons will have to go grind a harm or sit on twinflame

[austere mulch]

Yes actually. When you’re pet hunting, this is exactly what you do

Go to kree if you get avianse task, kril if demon task, etc. then block / remove the unlock when you have the applicable pet

Well, unless you’re boosting

[narrow folio]

It's not that I don't care for balance but slayer was purposefully designed this way to give you advantages on mobs you fight, boss or not. If you remove this aspect then there's barely any reason to do these nerfed bosses on task anymore.

[austere mulch]

But most players wouldn’t be

[narrow folio]

And then adding a boss slayer master would be almost useless. Why would I go around killing bosses for subpar slayer xp when I can do the exact same thing offtask? The current system gives variety to some tasks and a nerf would kill that part. Feel free to go do kril or whatever offtask. I promise if you're pet hunting in max gear, you'll still have long trips.

[analog crow]

Boss slayer is fine as is, and newer bosses should be added to the rotation

If players want to spend a week burning all their slayer points rolling for a Yama task they should be allowed to

CAs being off task only is fine

[rare grotto]

make veng work there no cap

[earnest marsh]

any news about bot busting?

waiting for most bots getting banned before starting wildy slayer 😮

or maybe i should do wildy slayer when bots are present?

[jovial sentinel]

Not sure what you're expecting from bot bans. Theyll never go anywhere

Just a forever fight jagex will combat

[stuck mauve]

i am expecting great things from you

[hard axle]

It’s annoying that venge get restricted in half the spots but thralls are basically viable everywhere

Sol, Vorkath, and Delve 6+ are maybe the only two content where it isn’t viable or BIS

[stuck mauve]

maybe it's just you who isn't viable or bis

[rare grotto]

veng p1 zik would also be cool

but maybe broken

idk

since ur tanking it anyway

[narrow folio]

Barrows

[rare grotto]

what barrows

[narrow folio]

Thralls not good there

[rare grotto]

whats the alternative

[narrow folio]

You could but the fights are so short and you're moving to other areas so

[rare grotto]

does overkill allow u to save a tick

[sacred oracle]

also prayer is your limiter and you'd be resummoning them every brother

would be obnoxious

[thick beacon]

I wouldint mind them doing this but feel like big problem is lose thralls/dc (plus veng in cases) its to much to ever justify using it

[stuck mauve]

think they added that this week on wednesday, tm here even confirmed it but the screenshot looked photoshopped so not sure

[thick beacon]

imo should just add a way to use those spells with ele spellbook

[rare grotto]

[narrow folio]

At least if my teammates tank a hit the "nice venge" wouldn't be just a meme

[rare grotto]

veng p1 zik wouldve been spammed everywhere if it was true

@austere mulch did u do the tomfoolery

[narrow folio]

would not do anything for the raids I run

[rare grotto]

uncapped veng p1 🤤

i'm taking mage prayer off idc

[hard axle]

What do you mean

Pre-Yama and pre-delve, the 70% elemental weakness already beat out shadow

Post both new content, 70% to 120% fire weakness could trump out shadow easily and that’s before any travel time shenanigans

And that includes double dc and thralls

[stuck mauve]

i wouldn't doubt yowas opinion, its the legend himself!

[hard axle]

it’s like how ice demon effectively had a massive fire weakness over other weapons for the longest time

[rare grotto]

ppl hate u cause u preach the truth

ironmen always the problem

brick wall when it comes to designing anything

[narrow folio]

need an eye of ayak but for harmonised

[rare grotto]

how's pnm without scy/mace

[stuck mauve]

pnm with cudgel is nice, 11 mins of misery

or well that was before they removed a phase

[rare grotto]

aren't there better crush weaps now

[stuck mauve]

dunno

[narrow folio]

how annoying is axe?

would rather use that over scythe due to charges

[rare grotto]

decent i think

previous rec was with sra 😂

[narrow folio]

huge

[thick beacon]

but were ppl like actually using harm despite it being "better"?

[rare grotto]

yeah was used at ice demon for example

[thick beacon]

outside of ice demon

[rare grotto]

dunno nothing in raids has elemental weaknesses

it used to be bis at pnm

idk about now

but practically u just used thralls

i dont count bosses where they slapped some random weakness on it

eg xarpus i think is weak to earth

[earnest marsh]

Muspah pre eye kekw

Now that eye is out, it's dead content

[thick beacon]

its just harder imo cuz ppl look at very surface lvl alot of the time ive seen with ele weakneses

they dont factor thrall loss when they talk about dps and dont talk about losing thralls for any part of the fight that isint magic based

[earnest marsh]

Doesn't help that the staff is 300hours, and eye is like 20

[rare grotto]

which fights are u talking about

im p sure any decent calc includes loss of dps thralls when harm'ing

[earnest marsh]

Ye, twinstaff flame would be alright over trident on muspah even with thralls if it had mage phase last

But now that it's range phase mostly, thralls just better

[thick beacon]

well ye practically noone really uses it but ppl gravitate towards the idea when something like dhw is good dps as an example

[earnest marsh]

Now that dhw is out also idk

[rare grotto]

like at toa for example, even if fire surge was good at kephri (they didn't adjust mdef so it sucks, u still wouldn't bring it because u lose thralls on 4/5 rooms

[earnest marsh]

Such weird they print out millions of staffes

Like what are they doing

[narrow folio]

would need to be ramped up so high to beat shadow if that were the case anyway

[thick beacon]

well ye thats what i mean any encounter that isint strictly magic based is gona be extremely awkward and most times ive seen ppl not bother using it

[narrow folio]

is it so bad if weaknesses mostly stayed early/mid game

[earnest marsh]

Yep at least 80%

[thick beacon]

great ur getting 5% better magic dps for 1/3rd of raid and losing 6% for rest

[narrow folio]

since shadow gets extra boost in toa

[rare grotto]

yeah i agree. Theres also the issue that u would bring magic cape to circumvent that issue

[narrow folio]

I've heard of strats in big teams where you dump eye specs then shadow

Not sure if meme or not

[rare grotto]

which brings hella invy space issues along with it

[earnest marsh]

It's alright, but the wildly mage weapon is better spec for shadow

Right

[rare grotto]

tbow bgs just better

[narrow folio]

kephri?

[rare grotto]

oh kephri

[narrow folio]

baba too I suppose

[rare grotto]

doubt it's any better than just bgs/vw/zcb'ing the boss

[narrow folio]

Guess one person sceptre then everyone else dumps eye but kephris mage lvl might reset last phase

I still don't know if warden's magic defense resets on enrage or not

[rare grotto]

the issue is eye is good at stuff u don't have high chance of hitting its spec

otherwise it's useless

if u wanna highroll then just send the zcb spec

[earnest marsh]

it does

[narrow folio]

oh no 🙁

[thick beacon]

i agreed with levi orb the potiential and dps of ele weakneses is there. but like idt it can compete without insane artifical stretching to make it worth dropping thralls/dc/more

[earnest marsh]

idk, elemental weakness is been a joke kinda, only seen it effect mostly bots

twintstaff barrow bots 😮

and no quest locked accounts? 😮

[hard axle]

Yes lmao

I was harm coper

We converted several shadow users over because it was just easier

no thrall management, no DC management

No heart mid-pnm kill

just pure unadulterated killing

[thick beacon]

I didint even think about it from that perspective tbh thats a good sell

[hard axle]

Because Jagex is too cowardly of folks crying about having to grind harm. If you make ele weakness good, you have to consider how strong harm staff will be.

[hard axle]

I ain’t exaggerating when I say 2024 was the year of harm vs shadow debate in petcord

[earnest marsh]

ye, i mean thralls cost money also, so it feels you get punished for useing thralls also

if elemental weakness is good

(delete thralls!)

[hard axle]

Fuck your money lmao

Use what’s best

[earnest marsh]

add thralls for normal spellbook also!

[thick beacon]

my suggestion has always been to just allow u to store 1 elemental spell into some off the strong staves in game

[narrow folio]

Becomes powered staff 2.0 so whats the point

a different animation?

[earnest marsh]

eather have thralls in the game, and delete elemental weakness

[thick beacon]

lets u take advantage of ele weakneses without someone constantly saying thats not worth cuz ur losing thralls/dc

[earnest marsh]

or opposite or neither

[narrow folio]

Both can coexist

[earnest marsh]

why

[narrow folio]

Just because it's not widely used at the top end doesn't mean it should be deleted

[earnest marsh]

just more dev time

[narrow folio]

It's useful for midgame/early

[earnest marsh]

i mean sure, for me it just made easy content easyer

idk why you would make content thats made for early agme to be able to do even more early game

whats the next thing we do? powered staffs will have 60% more damage to late game bosses?

idk, well i guess future is just making content easyer

[narrow folio]

Well yeah no matter if they release a sidegrade or upgrade it makes things easier

[stuck mauve]

engine work

is there a way to keep hot dwarven cakes from getting cooled without doing the drop tech on log in

[thick beacon]

ud still have incentive to use standard book for multiple ele spells encounter. niche is using ele spells on ele weakness not necessarily being on that spellbook imo.

[narrow folio]

guess I see room for that as another niche reward but ultimately it's powered staffifying standards if that makes sense

[thick beacon]

i agree but i think it allows it to be alot less restricted

if people had serious problem with standard book they shouldve said something at trident of seas or maybe swamp trident etc

obv it can be restricted to ele book but that restricts it alot imo just my take

either way ele spells are pretty bad id love another buff to them

[hard axle]

I wanted elemental weaknesses and all they need to do is a few places where it’s slightly worse than shadow without harm, and beats out shadow with harm.

Encounters requiring multiple surge spells would work too, but you’d have to end up switching auto cast several times if it’s during the fight.

[obsidian venture]

Standard spellbook has some use still for teles/enchantd

It’s ok to not have all spellbook applicable everywhere

But if you’re going to create ele weakness then might as well capitalize on it

[earnest marsh]

harmonised staff is harder t oget then shadow 😛

[thick beacon]

they buffed phosani like 10x i think its fine esp if its good just some places

atleast

saying this as a ironman to

[stuck mauve]

like 10x

[thick beacon]

ye this is like 5th buff or something

[earnest marsh]

hopefully nightmare is vaible after next 5 buffs

[obsidian venture]

Wdym

Pnm is in a solid place right now

[earnest marsh]

how

[obsidian venture]

It’s an amazing boss fight?

Just a meme drop table

But that one phase being removed has seen it surge content wise

[earnest marsh]

any updat emakes anything more popular

[tacit wharf]

jagex ignoring elemental spells/weakness is like them ignoring crush for meele or light for range

they make these weakness types then do fk all to actually use them in the game

[obsidian venture]

Just finished a bingo, and it’s crazy to see the amount of people actually sending pnm

It’s always been a good boss fight. It’s just the drop table wasn’t worth for most

Now it’s like 5 min avg and you barely use supplies

[earnest marsh]

proboly most people grow tired of the boss before first uniqe

as all bossses

and yay, you got a uniqe that your proboly not going to use

[sacred oracle]

use?

[austere mulch]

Can’t confirm or deny or it’ll face the same fate as 3t p1

[true talon]

Elemental weakness was mainly a early game/mid game enhancement to magic

it allowed you to break away from shit like ibans blast and warped sceptre

[tough nacelle]

I will say elemental weakness is super good on low level accounts

I started a region locked iron and it’s been a godsend for early slayer levels

[timid axle]

what is Sailing's release date?

[ember token]

autumn 2025

probably november

but before december 21

[earnest marsh]

cope

[ember token]

its cope to think that the higherups arent mandating them release sailing already lol

i think it's releasing autumn regardless of its ready or not

[tacit wharf]

think most of the work was done before the alpha released

[minor whale]

Honestly the last few tests have been pretty good with things working

[tacit wharf]

or in the time since the alpha finished up

[minor whale]

The only issue was testing the log ins, but that happens with leagues it'll surely happen with a new skill

I think their biggest hurdle will be getting HD out before end of Autumn

It is very much not polished yet, even standard renderer has SO many bugs

[tacit wharf]

idk, im sure they're getting a lot of good data with the beta

although, the sailing stress test did crash my computer

[minor whale]

That might be experimental GPU honestly

The plugin itself is really weird

[earnest marsh]

damn, gotta check your pc tho, alot of games have destroyed peoples comuputers

[ember token]

the stress test going "bad" is good because it means they shouldve got good data from

[earnest marsh]

new world made some gpu go broke and had to be replaced

[timid axle]

This question is unfortunately still irrelevant for me personally, but just out of curiosity - what’ll happen to items like max cape etc…? And other consequences

[ember token]

just like when new quests come out and you lose access to the quest cape, you wont be able to use your max cape til you're maxed again

if you've combined your max cape with another item, you'll be able to disassemble it to get the item back

[stuck mauve]

i see, that's very data of you

[timid axle]

Thanks
I haven’t been around long enough to know what happens with quests either 😛
I find it funny, losing your quests cape over a quest like “Scrambled” haha but it does make sense

[timid axle]

Yeah Data is beteljuicing

[stuck mauve]

[meager flame]

tbh i think it probably comes out earlier than november

obviously just totally guessing but

[tacit wharf]

see i dont think so unless rs3 leagues flopps

[meager flame]

their current roadmap doesn't seem super compatible with waiting much longer

its rs3 it already flopped before it released

lmao i guess that sounds mean to the rs3 guys but their league could probably actually be goated and most people wouldn't give them the time of day

[ember token]

i think more people who arent regular rs3 players are gonna try it out than you think

[meager flame]

although i think if they kept releasing them and they were amazing every time

they might win some people back to playing them over time

i just think the actual eyes on playing rs3 right now are kind of not really there

like

[stuck mauve]

hopefully it comes out in winter 2017

[meager flame]

how many people do you realistically think you can get to try something for a game that not many people are willing to play

but yeah just for osrs specific stuff

it seems like the plan is for winter to be dmm

and assuming they don't want dmm to just be a ghost town and to be able to pay attention to it

idk i'd probably want 2+ months between sailing and dmm

and they probably dont want to just leave sailing out there needing updates to go on holiday

so i'd guess like dmm january and sailing like early november at the latest

but i'd want october for sailing if i were them

especially if they want to drop dmm off and then leave like how we often ended up with some kind of mode like a league during december

tbh i kinda think they maybe should have flipped those around and done dmm then sailing

[remote ruin]

I thought I'd seen something sailing related happening Oct 21? I don't remember what.

[icy relic]

There's a lot of interest for RS3 leagues

It has none of the baggage and no strings attached

There's a lot of unfair stigma from people who have never played the game

If they give it a fair shake I wouldn't be surprised if RS3 can pick up another 10-20k concurrent

[stuck mauve]

[normal temple]

I think there’ll be a lot of people (like me) who at least have enough experience with RS3 to know how the game works, and are interested in at least having some sort of Leagues experience to play

And yeah, I feel like a lot of the things people complain about with RS3 wouldn’t really matter in Leagues

MTX isn’t available, and if combat relics are good then players can easily stick to revo combat and still do well

[chrome lantern]

They updated the sailing jmod faq section in the sailing discord, I wonder how soon we will get info on bank space

[shadow wave]

Never knew the esc key did that

[earnest marsh]

Maybe 2026

[chrome lantern]

I feel like that’s just wrong because I have my inv set on esc and press it literally all the time

[mild saddle]

yeah idk what they mean

also, let us use esc / rebind it to close the tab please

i'm too dumb to press the same key again to close it

[chrome lantern]

I hated when they made it so that ESC prioritizes closing dialogue boxes over closing my inventory, since I have ESC on inventory

[idle rapids]

disable that or change your inventory hotkey then

[median sage]

Will we see any news update today with the release of these teasers?

[ember token]

jagex just came back from a bank holiday today so idk

[median sage]

Bank holiday was last week?

[median sage]

Get back to work 😆

[ember token]

there was another one I think

could be wrong idk but rs3's weekly update was today instead of yesterday

wait

today is monday

[median sage]

Nah I’m in UK or I’m gonna be mad 😆

[ember token]

nvm

i thought today was tuesday for some reason

[median sage]

Oh ahaha

If only

[hard axle]

dude, did they fuck up esc recently?

it no longer closes some interface

colleciton log specifically

[chrome lantern]

I noticed that too

[hard axle]

and u can't open collection in combat in some instances again

I swear they re-reverted

the change

[torpid delta]

iirc this was them somehow turning off the "enable interface resizing" option, which somehow bungles that. an update or two ago i found that it got force disabled for me a 2nd time

[ember token]

correct

[earnest marsh]

when we making shark lures good again

nvm, it was never good

whts the point

[hard axle]

shark lures are also complete shit for pet chance btw

most people who got it were 200m fishing XP folks QA testing it and they still took like 20-80k sharks despite 15x drop chance

[earnest marsh]

ye idk

like can we just remove the loot table if its so busted, instead of adding shit drops?

and ask for your life choiices on why they even added this item

[hard axle]

I think skilling items are fine, but they should be worth it to use

like how diabolic worms were worth it to use

[earnest marsh]

i believe jagex thinks sharks is good food? idk

has to be

[hard axle]

its like how baiting hunter traps still does nothing

[earnest marsh]

but even then, 600 an hour with x5 shark lure

is crazy bad

[hard axle]

tbf, pvm does drop a fuck ton of skilling supplies

[earnest marsh]

just make it fishing lures

and it will give x2 more fish on any fish under angler

[hard axle]

its why no one uses lower tier food

cuz the cost diff is so minor

and ur better off brewing/getting higher tier food

[chrome lantern]

I still won't use sharks if they make them 5x more abundant

Even on iron

[earnest marsh]

yee, karamb is just 9hp a tick, while shark is like 7hp a tick

6,7 or something

[chrome lantern]

Brew, angler/dark crab, or karambwan 100% of the time at this point

[earnest marsh]

dark crab is such a joke for a wilderness resroces

catch a bit more per hour then angler

but needs dark lures, cant overheal

alot of banking kinda

for like 20% more per hour then angler?

[chrome lantern]

idk I fished some they were pretty afk

I did eastern wildy shore with fish barrel

Mostly caught anglers and bwans to 99 fishing though

[earnest marsh]

i did it when you could 2 tick, it was alrgiht

but that method got destroyed with no delay magic cast

[earnest marsh]

you also get tons of dark crabs from wildy bosses i guess 😛

not like they needed it

but why not kekw

buff fishing<delete fishing

[chrome lantern]

The "why not" is the same reason they removed all the shark drops lmao

But then they left the dark crabs on wildy bosses

[earnest marsh]

4 years to next change

😛

maybe even 6-7

[earnest marsh]

but i do agree that wildernss resroces centre needs an overhaul

there is a plugin that shows if someone enters xD

[tacit wharf]

idk my big shark grind did take me a few sharts to get

[hard axle]

its definitely faster than before

but not as good as diabolic

[ember token]

shark lures are actually good...

...for getting the moon key halves in varlamore

best method for the skilling half from what ive heard

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-notebook-explaning-gif-21152267

those were always the garbage halves to farm for

[ember token]

this is why they're up 4x

actually 5x

[obsidian finch]

sun-kissed bones in doom loot is still bugged?

thought they wouldve fixed by now

[stuck mauve]

you don't like sun-kissed bones?

[obsidian finch]

lol i got 99 pray i just hate how it still says its worth 8k ea when theyre untradeable and only alc for 96gp

[ember token]

it's not bugged, they've just set a value higher than it should be

should still be fixed though

[stuck mauve]

i thought it was within your jurisdiction

[earnest marsh]

should they make imbued herat buyable tro slayer points? like maybe 30-40k?

[tacit wharf]

well that'd be done if they didnt do something with turael boosting first

[heavy ledge]

I support this only because every time I save up for one, the price suddenly shoots up

[austere mulch]

5k task streak with no skips or blocks & 50k points. Final offer

[sacred skiff]

Where’s the best shark fishing spot in Varla? Might be nice to get at least one key or two once I finish Moki

If he ever gives me boots Timmydad.jpg

[austere mulch]

Feel that lol. Just shy of 700 deep, no boots. Could be worse I suppose

At least the content is fun enough to do 1 run a day

Ish

[sacred oracle]

absolutely not

why destroy a good drop

[hard axle]

1m slayer points

[sacred oracle]

okay you talked me into it

1m slayer points it is

[hasty shard]

good drop that is apparently worthless and you dont need to grind for it

[heavy ledge]

Is this a riddle?

[jagged marsh]

LOL word???

Whats the spot

And what's the best method for combat halves

Moka? Huey? Ice Dungeon?

[hard axle]

Mass hueys

[jagged marsh]

ew

[hasty shard]

does this mean the most efficient way to do huey is huey masses

because grinding clog is a waste of time if you have moon helm :clueless:

like ancient pages from mith dragons

passif

[viscid kayak]

Most efficient way is having 2 alts in the instance at the start praying the opposite protection you are. Hope this helps

[quiet plank]

Most efficient is in a group of 3

[hasty shard]

two people to miss the point wow

moon helm takes longer than huey grind so there is no point to doing trios for its clog when you want to do huey masses for key halves

just like how you shouldnt search corpses for ancient pages because you need to grind a 1/8192 dragon full helm from mithril dragons

[solid moss]

tileman bingo board

[shut wadi]

Not happy with the bingo, grid master, it's crossing over with our own planned bingo...

Should really give more notice before announcing an event like this

[solid moss]

its a month in advance

isnt that a decent bit of time?

over a month actually

[split edge]

when does it end?

[shut wadi]

Not when you plan a bingo you also plan it with over a month's notice

[frozen lion]

Another thing that makes us not play our main chars again? Ty that at least the stuff will be buyable off GE. Would much more rather get seasonal tasks to do in game on main than play brand new char to do some tasks...

[shut wadi]

And to start it in the middle of the month is just stupid. It's going to crossover with so many people's clan events

[frail bough]

YOOOOOOOO

[earnest marsh]

sucks game update

[split edge]

???????

[frail bough]

YES

[shut wadi]

What's your confusion?

[solid moss]

most events dont start on the 1st

[frail bough]

I don't think we've ever ran an event on a specific date other than to avoid holidays and other major releases.

[shut wadi]

Well fine they've won me over now with that. Annoyance subsided haha.

[solid moss]

and you have a choice whether you participate or not. your clan bingo can still go on or postpone lol

[frail bough]

Quite frankly, the fact that you're complaining about something that's been needed in the game since the clan update is actually wild.

If you haven't seen the gamejam project yet, this is so exciting.

This is exactly what the community needs.

[shut wadi]

Agreed it's cool that it's coming to the main game, will make planning a bingo much easier.

Atm its a lot of work, our bingo has 82 tiles xD

[frozen lion]

I wouldn't mind getting several official tasks for various skills with rewards to claim every month. Optional of course but worth doing for rewards like clue scrolls, resources etc.

[shut wadi]

But really they could have given more notice and started the event at the beginning of the month, it just makes sense

[solar juniper]

too close to dailyscape doing that

[warm pond]

How long will grid master be open?

[frail bough]

can you share what tiles you have please

we are doing a bingo battleships event and it feels like the latest tiles we have, which dont feel super filler-y is around 42
tile race kind of things usually cap at like 60 for us so im curious what y'all have

[frozen lion]

I don't like daily tasks either to force daily log in, but if you can't do some monthly task doable in like max few hours, I think that's weak game choice.

[shut wadi]

Sure I'll pm you

[frail bough]

tyvm ❤️

[solid moss]

i think people dont realize they dont have to play it if it interrupts your flow

[solar juniper]

doesnt matter. having anything be daily/monthly was a major part of RS3's downfall. sure it might start as the odd one here or there but a major factor for investments/shareholders is player retention, the more you add these lil things in the more its likely to snowball to keep higher up happy. id even argue the few daily things in OSRS at the moment are too much but need rewards somewhere.

[frozen lion]

Then why people enjoy regular clan bingos? That's literally as close as can be to "dailyscape"

Just made by players instead of official content.

[oblique mesa]

The player made ones don't have fomo cosmetics

[split edge]

I like how if you don't log in for a year you haven't really "missed out" on anything, you just have new content to do

[solid moss]

some people like clan bingo where they're given a task and they can work towards a goal just like this event

most of the time the rewards are buyable so there is little fomo in this game unless you play a game mode that restricts you from buying it

[frail bough]

I think it's wild that this is even considered being polled to be added to maingame based on what that game jam project showed ngl
i don't think it's going to fail by any means but like...forward facing all it is is just an interace people can use to set up things for people to have goals to do

[frozen lion]

If someone hates idea of monthly scape but regularly participate in bingos, that's literally two personas delusion lol

And of course there shouldnt be unique rewards like cosmetics but materials clue scrolls etc. Literally optional to do without any new content miss. Just to add variety of things to do instead of just max efficiency grind everything.

[meager flame]

I think clan bingo update is cool

Leagues but worse might not have been the greatest community event sell though

[solid moss]

we havent really seen the tiles so it could be on par with leagues just not as crazy

[meager flame]

So leagues but worse

[solid moss]

in your opinion yes but some people dont like the crazy relics of league and want a fast progressing normal style of osrs with some customization

[meager flame]

Lmao there really is no other way to read their description

[solid moss]

some leagues relics are over the top

idk i see it as more tamed the leagues but just as fun. thats what i got out of it

[meager flame]

Its basically hey we're gonna try to put out a lower effort event that is similar in some ways to a league but its not that serious or big

[meager flame]

Which is fine and sets expectations but like

Idk just doesn't sound that cool

[solid moss]

you know what that means right? that means you can skip it

[frail bough]

i dont interpret it as leagues but worse at all

that's like saying leagues is the only community event they can run and thats dumb as hell

[wise cloud]

this is going to be so hype I cannot wait!!! A perfect stopover until next leagues!

[solid moss]

if your main the only fomo youre going to have is missing the experience

[oblique mesa]

Cosmetics will be dirt cheap for mains since f2ps can do it

[solid moss]

ya

[oblique mesa]

Not a fan of another weird event currency though 🙁

[frozen lion]

So just play like usual and buy stuff once comes on GE, excellent

[solid moss]

i just hope its not unique point system

[frozen lion]

Except Irons

[solid moss]

except irons

[earnest marsh]

weird update, we alredy have community website

[chrome lantern]

Doesn’t affect irons if I don’t care about the cosmetics :)

[delicate glen]

I wouldn't say it was lower effort. We think this was a good idea for our first community event and we could tie it into a system that we know has been wanted for a long time now with a cool way to test it out.

[meager flame]

isn't that the point though? to try something faster and with less commitment

[chrome lantern]

If Leagues keep doing region locking, this event sounds way better to me than Trailblazer version 4

[solid moss]

i didnt even think of that. if there is no region lock in this, then it'd be insanely fun

[chrome lantern]

Region locking was played out 1.5 leagues ago

[delicate glen]

The currency discussion is still up for debate as its out first event like this, but we want this to be obtainable after the Grid Master is over, so we'll see what happens with this first.

[delicate glen]

Oh that's my bad, I thought you meant the event was low effort in terms of our work

Yeah, it's exactly that, a more approachable event that hopefully is something everyone can jump in a try 😄

[worthy hazel]

Sarnie, will everyone be an ironman or not, it's not really mentioned anywhere, it says solo but solo doesn't mean ironman?

[chrome lantern]

I think if the next Leagues is announced to still be region locking I might actually just not even bother

[meager flame]

i feel like the region locking thing sorta hurts because if you're someone that does play every league

its getting really tired

but if you're like a super casual league enjoyer or if its your first league it would still be fun

[chrome lantern]

Yes

[ivory sapphire]

its kinda a shame that poh ornament is for chapel cuz i feel like not that many ppl even use it anymore

[chrome lantern]

I burnt extremely fast with region locking on Leagues 4 and 5 despite dragon cup in Leagues 2 and 3

[meager flame]

ngl i think they should buff the poh prayer method

[chrome lantern]

I simply didn’t care because it was just annoying and despite the new gimmicks being cool it just wasn’t fun

[meager flame]

i normally wouldn't say buff random old stuff like that but

they've really kinda killed using a poh to train prayer

its just not a good idea unless you're hc

and its kinda sad

i suppose uim might use it too?

with a myth cape

[frozen lion]

If incense were somehow permanent much more people would use their own poh's altar to make prayer this way

[meager flame]

that is an insane typo

lmao

[chrome lantern]

xd

[frozen lion]

I realised moment later lol

[delicate glen]

Ya, everyone is an Iron

[chrome lantern]

I don’t think getting rid of poh prayer as a viable method is really the end of the world though and I think bone shards are way better in every way (despite wilderness still being significantly better)

[stuck mauve]

realize real lies real eyes

[chrome lantern]

Like having people train in the real world isn’t a negative

[meager flame]

yeah its just sort of like sad somehow because its just one of those sort of like

[chrome lantern]

Rather than instance

[meager flame]

iconic rs things

[stuck mauve]

so sailing comes out in november or winter 2017

[ocean cypress]

In the past?

[stuck mauve]

yeah?

[meager flame]

yeah i mean idk how seriously they're taking it as far as blocking out those 4 weeks for no content

[stuck mauve]

mobile came out in winter 2017 fyi

[meager flame]

but if they are doing that sailing november

[ivory sapphire]

even as hc ud just rather do varla prayer

so even hcs dont rly build chapel anymore

[meager flame]

idk how they could even go about doing it though outside of like

maybe a bit better of an altar at a higher level or something

[woven shore]

I’d worry about each community event having its own currency too, there’s already complaints of lumbridge feeling cluttered and adding more shop npcs wont help with this

[meager flame]

i mean i sort of already felt like this about dmm/leagues but

i sort of want just an event currency that applies to everything

i guess they might be a little worried that it would make dmm a bit less popular though

[frozen lion]

You would purchase new stuff with old currency?

[meager flame]

you already can every league

[frozen lion]

But thats league wise

[meager flame]

yeah and dmm

and you have to assume that moving forward with community events even if they didn't merge all events into one reward shop

that people would have points left over from the previous one

[frozen lion]

Just let us purchase straight with gp xD

[meager flame]

they kinda do

thats what the ge is for

[frozen lion]

Well thats most universal currency

But cant buy from npc for gp

[frail bough]

@delicate glen Just want to plant the seed because this event is very exciting - for future things related to bingo, if clan owners/event creators had a way to check the board through an event API for automations to check the board progress, who received the item/claimed the tile, and when they did that, the community would be able to have an absolute field day with the cool ideas that we all have.

Very very excited for this event.

[frozen lion]

I wish I had bingo tasks while not being affiliated with clans

[meager flame]

well yeah they'd wanna maintain some level of like "actually come play and you can buy stuff from the event shop"

and the more that i think about it as long as they price everything well the popularity of leagues would probably increase participation with every other event

since people would maybe rather save the currency for league shop stuff in the past or future and decide to hop on and do this or a dmm that they otherwise wouldn't have

[frail bough]

that is what the game jam project is btw
community bingos that aren't directly tied to clan only!

exciting news for clans but very glad it wasn't a clan only thing

[fair ice]

Too little news to already wanna shoot the concept down. People are itchy on the trigger since Sailing huh

but hold up, is this happening at the same time as RS3 leagues?

[meager flame]

ya but lets be real its a month later and most of us

probably not logging into rs3

so it shouldn't really hurt either side

[fair ice]

nvm braindead its a whole month later

[chrome lantern]

I also want to add on to this before I forget, that locking you to a single combat style in Trailblazer-style leagues is also pretty sucky since anything in your off-style(s) just sucks and any hybrid content feels severely handicapped. Shattered Relics league struck this balance by far the best but could do with making Sage Renown a lot harder to get so that you don’t have the full game unlocked until rune or dragon tier

[oblique mesa]

Nice, so bingo > rs3 leagues > osrs dmm seems like the schedule for events?

[meager flame]

i did one time think about some crazy league where they made use of the weird npc combat rules

[fair ice]

There are a few people looking to try RS3 out again just to get their Leagues itch

[meager flame]

where like jellies have magical melee attacks

and stuff like that

and somehow apply that to players

[small anvil]

So this is just leagues lite?

[meager flame]

i mean sorta yeah its a temporary mode with boosted rates and something akin to relic unlocks

probably smaller in scope but also a shorter duration

[delicate glen]

[small anvil]

I get like jagex is getting the wrong message of what people like about bingo

The grid itself is not important lol

[fair ice]

4fun gammemode that is not compulsory:))))

[meager flame]

i think thats more about just theming their event

[small anvil]

Bingo is fun for motivation to do content but like it's just a reskin of leagues if you have to start accounts over and progress again I feel

[meager flame]

plus i mean you cant really play bingo without being able to hit bingo lol

and i agree with you

[small anvil]

Just a different reward structure

[meager flame]

jagex ran a small event for gim when it was first released

where you killed bosses and got tickets basically

it was fun

just extra reason to go play the game

[small anvil]

We've done plenty of bingos in my clan that aren't actually square shaped

[meager flame]

i will say though that one was like extra cool because ultimately

it was on the real game

[small anvil]

Point based, progression on a board game route

[meager flame]

so doing things had inherent value before the event was taken into account

[chrome lantern]

I mean it can be an event and not a bingo which sounds like what you’re describing

[frail bough]

i think it smostly that they have something they want to start sharing but having a way to live test it in a way where they know exactly what is expected of the event (rather than a bunch of clans creating events and then all of a sudden they don't work)

this feels pretty obvious given the entire context of the blog

[small anvil]

Yeah we just colloquially call all events "bingo" in my clan

And I think that usage is pretty wide spread

[frail bough]

yeah but idk how that gets interpreted as "jagex has no idea what bingo actually is"

[small anvil]

But I can't speak for outside my clan

[chrome lantern]

Yeah that’s not too atypical but it’s also just categorically too broad

[obsidian venture]

Yeah it’s not really just one thing

[meager flame]

i actually was a little bit sad that this one isn't just on the standard servers

i really want them to do more stuff like the gim event

[round lintel]

@delicate glen in the announcement says you guys are in pre-production for another league. Earlier last month Mod Ash said there wont be a league this year, did that change?

[small anvil]

Like grid themed league is just...

[fair ice]

Yeah maybe shortterm grinding isnt so fun when you get very limited rewards beyond cosmetics

Hard to say

[small anvil]

It's more a leagues than a bingo thing

Completing rows is not the appeal of bingo

[chrome lantern]

Pre-production means we’re still months and months away, it doesn’t seem surprising it wouldn’t be this year

[meager flame]

yeah i read preproduction like catch us next summer

[delicate glen]

That's not changing, to run this for 4 weeks and then chuck a Leagues at people just screams burnout imo

[fair ice]

Surely early next year

Oh shit this is a four week event too

[analog crow]

Grid mini-leagues poggies

[kind surge]

definitely not early next year

[delicate glen]

Yeah, I've added it to the blog as well 🙂

[small anvil]

Like I guess the people who were upset at no leagues this year have something to look forward to

I just don't really see how this is anything but a smaller leagues event

[meager flame]

cant lie i fear for that sailing release window slightly

[small anvil]

Ya feel like it'll draw attention away from sailing

[oblique mesa]

Mini leagues / tech demo, should be a nice teaser of what leagues is like for the new players we got

[meager flame]

its not even that its more like

im assuming that pushes sailing back at least until those 4 weeks end which means mid november

and that seems a little late even though its still autumn just

kinda close to holidays and new skills are a big deal

[small anvil]

Oh this date is before sailing release not after right

[meager flame]

i've lived crazier things though like wow expansions dropping mid december and people just being told to work

[round lintel]

I like leagues for its ranking system and some non tedious rng tasks, its a great break from the main game specially when you are near max and every lvl is 10 hrs to get (Looking at you agility) or you always go wx, 3x, 4x the rate of getting a drop you want. I like the dopamine haha whats burns you out from previous leagues is the region lock @delicate glen

[chrome lantern]

Sarnie, can you just be up-front with us and tell us here and now if Leagues 6 will be region-locking

Please say it won’t

[meager flame]

i kinda think thats one of those things they'd talk about in pre production so they might not even be fully locked in either way

[delicate glen]

I can't say, as I dunno fam

[round lintel]

I would say next league should not be region lock but if they want to do it still region locked then give us either 4 or 5 regions instead of 3

[chrome lantern]

Thanks for the reply anyway

[meager flame]

mazchna point boosting is pretty funny ngl

[chrome lantern]

I’m ngl though I just want Leagues 6 to be literally anything other than region locking, we definitely don’t need Trailblazer 4

[meager flame]

and yeah i want a league to just come out and be something i've never thought about

that made the earlier leagues fun

[round lintel]

Shattered relic reloaded

[stray trench]

Could have sworn that one of the vids for Raging Echoes stated that going forward all leagues would be region-locked.

[round lintel]

Wearing 3 god items and you were super powerful while looking like a chad

[round lintel]

They did say it

[chrome lantern]

Actually yeah at this point

[meager flame]

they did say that but i really want them to reconsider

[chrome lantern]

I think I might try to completely not look at any Leagues info for 6 when they start announcing stuff

Just check if it’s region locked or not and leave everything else up to mystery

If it’s region locked I won’t even touch it this time

[meager flame]

that sort of mystery and having something huge just kinda surprise you is also what made new skills really fun

so it sorta sucks to just see sailing everything written out into a phd thesis

same with new leagues stuff

[round lintel]

This DMM is going to be a skip for me unless they add a new kit I like and I have to go for it. But last DMM I was getting clan out every I went. I did rank 40 total level but in points it was really bad cuz I kept getting found on non instance bosses and instance bosses not awarding xp makes me not wanna play it

[chrome lantern]

On Sailing stuff I really want to have my feedback heard but the last poll shows that my vote doesn’t even matter

As if anything fails polls

[meager flame]

i mean usually for dmm if you just want a particular cosmetic

[chrome lantern]

Can’t wait for cannonballs to somehow suck even more than they do now

[meager flame]

you can come up with some strat to jump through 2 or 3 brackets in immunity periods and get your points

[chrome lantern]

Because now we need to worry about rune and addy and dragon cballs

[meager flame]

which is actually kinda fun in a weird way

its more speed running than the quest speed running worlds

[chrome lantern]

DMM point rushing is just breaches with rag gear and sigils that give you guaranteed dps

And quests

[round lintel]

I didnt play for cosmetics before im saying if this dmm doesnt have new ones I will skip unless there is a cosmetic for my iron I dont currently have.

The sad part is that streamers get donated gp in dmm and run around in gear you would take like a week to get they have it by day 1, or you have to swap gp if you want to compete, and breaches you cant go multi you get clan out, single breaches you get outgeared so like someone said you go in rags (means you wont be fighting back)

[meager flame]

i do think that dmm just inherently can't be taken as seriously as i think they want it to be

[round lintel]

I mean is a good money maker of you are in flr the gp

[meager flame]

they're sorta stuck because its obviously broken people mule or swap or whatever and that destroys it as far as it being like a competition that people wouldn't sorta roll their eyes at

[round lintel]

People can make money on its early days, swap it and be done

[meager flame]

but all of that broken shit is also kinda the reason most of the people that do play it are playing

[round lintel]

I would have preferred a king of skill type competition and use the dmm cash reward to award memberships to certain hiscores haha

Than another dmm

I also believe any dragon rank in leagues should get a 7 days free membership for obtaining the rank 😛

How popular would it be if we had a leagues world just like dmm w45?

[small anvil]

That's just a private server

[wooden harbor]

i wonder if they will boost drop rates... surely not right?
since its meant to be bingo-esque?

[analog crow]

Leagues 6 will be sailing locked
You can never be more than 10 tiles away from water

[small anvil]

It definitely will, or at least XP rates. They mentioned rewards being quest completions so like

It's leagues lite in a shorter time frame

[wooden harbor]

yea i know about faster xp rates and auto quest completions
but surely not drop rates because the goal is to get drops to unlock relics? 😄

the grinds could still be fast with main game drop rates too i think with all those op relics drastically reducing boss times

[small anvil]

I'm just thinking if leagues takes so long to get to the end game stuff

This will entirely be early to mid game stuff

Or boosted rates are necessary

Otherwise people won't have the time to get to later things

I really think people need to not really think of it as bingo and more as leagues 5.5

[wooden harbor]

agreed

[analog crow]

That prob why they have the task clear unlocks etc

They can put some goated stuff in there

[wooden harbor]

i personally like this concept of grinding out relics over our usual leagues.
not having to do boring chores but instead you get buffs as you progress your account and unlock gear 👀

[idle rapids]

they've said theyre boosting xp rates

"For 4 weeks, this event will be hosted on exclusive worlds, outside of the main game - with each player starting from a fresh save, to make sure the experience is the same for everyone. Oh, and let's not forget a base accelerant of experience to really let you hit the griddy (we're so sorry, we had to)."

[small anvil]

Yeah the question is drop rate boosts

Or like maybe some baseline gear unlocked at checkpoints idk. I guess the rewards could be cracked enough that just baseline faster kills makes it achievable in that shorter time frame

[wooden harbor]

maybe instead of drop rate boosts they could introduce "mercy tiles" where if you that piece of content enough times to make up for being dry, it completes the tile 👀

[hard axle]

[shut swift]

Yoooo shout out to Amentos for putting my character in the trailer.

I can't wait for this event.

[zealous charm]

Why can Fishing Potions be stored in Tackle Box but NOT Hunting Potions in the Hunter's Kit?

[hard axle]

People use those potions for Rumors and generic fishing?

[marsh bloom]

Mod Saiyan was pretty much rappin' the Mod names at the end of the Audio Read of the latest Bingo Master article. XD

[stuck mauve]

[pine kayak]

i want this shirt back https://runescape.wiki/w/Gnome_Child_Tee_(New_Design)

[lone wasp]

Not sure how other people are feeling about this but grid masters feels really unappealing knowing I have to start fresh to do it. Bingos are fun cuz you can do it while progressing your normal account making some of the duller grinds a bit more exciting. Doing this on a fresh account just makes it feel like leagues lite.

[frail bough]

tldr - its a community event to test and build upon some custom gamejam project things they are going to release to allow us to do bingos in-game

so essentially a test to play around with it while also being an event they are hosting since they aren't doing an official leagues - which ends up benefiting the actual main game

i personally think its cool and that only sticking with leagues format is boring as hell despite me having a blast during all of them

[lone wasp]

Doesn’t it say in the blog that it’s running for 4 weeks on exclusive worlds?

[frail bough]

yes but on the blog it also says more than that

[ember token]

it is basically leagues lite and beta-testing the bingo system they made before it gets added to the main game

[frail bough]

this particular event is on exclusive worlds
the things it is using will be provided for community run events on official worlds in the future

yeah exactly that ^

leagues lite feels weird to say but if thats the way to understand it than i suppose thats fine

[lone wasp]

Just seems a bit odd to beta test it with exclusives worlds on fresh accounts over 4 weeks than to just run a community bingo board for everyone to play on their standard account

[frail bough]

i mean thats exactly what happened with leagues but it just never made its way to main game

[ember token]

the latter is not happening, they're not running a bingo on the maingame for everyone, they're adding the feature so clans can run their own bingo using ingame systems

[frail bough]

ish

its not clans only

[lone wasp]

The first leagues didn’t have a beta test style system they just ran it

I dunno I might give it a go but i can’t see it being that interesting if I can’t do it on my standard account

[ember token]

you don't have to participate if you don't want to

[frail bough]

exactly what i mean, they got away with not doing this because it wasn't something meant to be transferred to main game
if they were planning on transferring all of leagues to main game as some sort of customizable event, it would have been a beta test for the behind the scenes tools.

[lone wasp]

I wouldn’t say that, wether this turns into a system that players/clans can use to run they’re own bingos in the main game is a separate thing. Grid masters is a temporary game mode like leagues. I’m just saying I think it would be a tonne more enjoyable and interesting if we all could take part while progressing our normal account as apposed to starting on fresh accounts again and getting leagues style buffs

Just give me the challenges in exchange for potential cosmetic rewards

[frail bough]

yes but would you risk just sending this into the wild before testing it at all on exclusive worlds to prevent issues?

[lone wasp]

I’ll probably give it a go when it comes out but I can’t see it being anywhere near as appealing as leagues was

[lone wasp]

Yeah I would, I don’t see what could be game breaking about a grid that says “as a community, fish 10m sharks”. “Kill 100k godward bosses”

It’s not changing the game in anyway just giving people a reason to do certain types of content

I wouldn’t launch it into the game if it was also giving everyone leagues style buffs

[frail bough]

Okay so you're saying that they shouldn't do a community event that they want to host with this new system and that it should only be released as the basic main-game safe version instead?

Or what am i not understanding

[lone wasp]

No im saying they should do a community event using this grid system as a way to display and track the tasks, just put it in the main game for 4 weeks the same way clans would ran they’re bingos

Just give me a bunch of tasks to do in a short time frame in exchange for points that can be spend on cosmetics

[frail bough]

I guess but I'd prefer having a fun event hosted by the team since we aren't getting an actual leagues

[lone wasp]

Yeah I suppose but I’d rather have no leagues this year than a boring leagues this year sold to us as a bingo which leads to a lot of people saying it was a boring bit of content and not getting an actual community event in the main game

[frail bough]

how can you even make the conclusion that its boring

[bronze shuttle]

Is it bingo because we're all old now?

[lone wasp]

I’m not I’m saying it doesn’t sound that exciting

It might be really fun but what they have shown just looks like a leagues but with way less stuff in it

[frail bough]

hm maybe i didnt see all the videos but from the information ive gathered on the website and the animation, we have basically no information

so i guess i can see how that could be not exciting to someone

[lone wasp]

I may be wrong and it ends up being a really fun limited time game mode

[chrome lantern]

Even with just what we know I'd probably rather do this than another Region-locked Leagues

[frail bough]

what i can appreciate is the fact that its not 6 weeks / 8 weeks

[lone wasp]

The blog says we will get a bingo board where everyone playing is working towards community goals. Will also have smaller targets to personally hit which will unlocked previous leagues style relics. They also mentioned something about the bush that spawns tbows

I might give it a go, but to me this sounds waaaay more appealing if I can do it in my normal Ironman then starting from scratch for 4 weeks to do long community grinds

[frail bough]

hm maybe i misread that then cause i interpreted as a solo event where the community is all participating
not that you're contributing to an overall community goal by hitting smaller goals solo

[warm epoch]

its solo yes

[lone wasp]

From what I can see the bingo board will show something like “kill 1m slayer bosses” but as a player you will have the solo goal of “kill 100 slayer bosses” so you can complete your own goal and then decide to continue to help grind towards helping the community goal or move onto another goal

I might be wrong but that’s how I’m interpreting it

Otherwise it’s literally just leagues but the tasks are presented to you on a grid

I love the concept of this, I just don’t want to start a fresh account to take part

[limber briar]

that's the neat thing it doesn't force you to play

[frail bough]

yeah seems like a wait for more info angle
im more of a fan of main-game stuff too - just this is a "necessary evil" to get to that point

[lone wasp]

I really don’t think it would need dedicated worlds to trial it tho. Put it in the main game and those that don’t wanna actively take part can just ignore it and there experience won’t be any different in any way

[frail bough]

also idk how much perspective you have about why people are super stoked, even if the event itself may not seem enticing
its been over 4 years of the most basic clan updates so anything that can help contribute towards the goal of arguably the best thing about being in a dedicated community is a step in the right direction

but a lot of it probably has to do with that we aren't getting an official leagues this year and they wanted to give us a little somethin somethin

[lone wasp]

I don’t know if I’m missing something in the blog but I don’t see anywhere where it says this is a trail to implant a future update to the clan system

[frail bough]

its the "in the future" section

basically the bottom of the blog

gridmaster and beyond or w/e they titled it

[lone wasp]

Their are 3rd party sites now which run bingos so smoothly that I don’t think it’s something the community is crying out for that much anymore

[frail bough]

its not smooth at all IMO

and severely limits the creativity vs if they provide in game event and live data

[limber briar]

i feel like it's something that is talked about and wanted by clans often lol

[frail bough]

there can literally be no event where its "the first team to complete x tile with 50m xp" because xp only ever updates upon logout
this is one example of probably hundreds

[limber briar]

The amount of clans still doing outdated google docs events is wild

[frail bough]

no extremely competitive event*

its no longer a "who got the tile first" as is instead "who logged out and updated the hiscores and 3rd party website first"

[lone wasp]

Is it? I would have thought the plugins and 3rd party sites do this all pretty smoothly now

[frail bough]

no, there is literally like no community tooling available

and everything that is, can't be trusted because its not provided by jagex

[chrome lantern]

At a minimum can't be relied upon

[frail bough]

yeah thats what i mean mostly

[lone wasp]

Even so I still don’t think having dedicated worlds with fresh start accounts for this game mode effects anything they have said in the beyond section. If anything helps it further to test it closer to how it would actually run as a clan system

[lone wasp]

Fair, I’ve not personally had a major issue with them but I can still see the benefit to it being in game

[frail bough]

If i had to choose between base system main game and this event, i'd 100% take main game but i believe their reasons for not doing so are probably valid

The only thing I've ever wanted while helping run clan related event stuff is a way for us to do automations that are reliable and the in-game main game version of that would be literally the top of my list for any update to make runescape comminties grow

and its not even a question that its the top contender - it was part of the reason i was excited about zanaris but my fear with that (prior to its cancellation) was exactly what you're saying, zanaris isn't main game so its just less enticing

[limber briar]

i heard gear loadouts soon @frail bough

[frail bough]

yeah surely

surely there wont be another person who complains about how gear loadouts are going to ruin all of bankstand skilling and that its not fair despite game jam projects addressing those concerns 🤦‍♂️

or that the increase in kph at a boss are going to ruin the economy

surely

[tacit wharf]

as long as it doesnt put the gear/items into your inventory and equip if or you, not at all

[hybrid lance]

Im a little confused on grid master.

Its single player non competitive and theres nothing extra about it. Something I can just make up on my own? Wheres the “community” part of the community event?

[frail bough]

SURELY

[lone wasp]

Would be an interesting question to ask the devs tho. Community events to me should always take place on my normal account and not require me to do it on a new account/fresh account

[frail bough]

Yeah sarnie gave me a writing emoji for more community tooling so here's to hoping

[lone wasp]

You will have solo goals that work towards and overall community goal from what i can see

[chrome lantern]

I don't see anything that suggests community goals

[frail bough]

Large events that people know of like "The Hunt" and whatnot where its a multi clan event become dead simple and make it so people don't have to have designated excel sheet admins, join discords for custom discord bots, etc etc if the game just handled:

• who contributed to the tile
• what team did it count
• when did the tile complete, if applicable by who

all of that annoying shit goes away

[chrome lantern]

It looks to be pretty explicitly each player working on their own challenges

[ember token]

yep

[frail bough]

Literally so passionate about the community in terms of making automations and if any/all jmods wants feedback please reach out and/or actually start using the clan discord server ( or delete it if there's no plans to use it any more)

[lone wasp]

I think you might be right, certain things are weirdly worded to suggest it’s a community thing but re reading this it does just look like a single playing task system over a community lead one

[frail bough]

Literally everyone in that discord who still runs a clan is dying to give good ideas and/or acknowledged that things have been heard

[oblique mesa]

Update for FCs would be nice too 🥺 the 500 cap for FCs sucks hard