game-update

[hasty shard]

what exactly are the built in duo mechanics besides scuffed contribution %

[velvet orchid]

Yeah its a classic example of trying to do too much with one update then doubling down

[velvet orchid]

Horns good i guess?

[ember token]

yeah a new skilling method with a boss is definitely too much

[hasty shard]

it'd be nice if yama was actually a duo boss but its kinda just a solo boss you can duo

[ember token]

the issue is definitely jagex adding a skilling method and not bots running rampant

[hasty shard]

i want to point out that untradable shards still means you can offload them but you need the smithing reqs to make infernal plate

which i would prefer personally

[slender vapor]

The price of it would be much higher

[velvet orchid]

Bis setup costing like 250m is also a problem

A 250m setup being viable is fine

[slender vapor]

Main problems

[velvet orchid]

Being meta is different entirely

[hasty shard]

mainly because it means actual people actually buy shale and keep it relevant lol

bot content

[velvet orchid]

Like how tf isnt a scythe bis at a 3 by 3 slash boss

[hasty shard]

cause they capped the def drain

[velvet orchid]

Yeah im fine with plate staying tradeable

[hasty shard]

everyones favourite mechanic

[ember token]

actually that makes sense

[velvet orchid]

Dont worry guys they will fix yama in 2029

[hard axle]

same people who told them about fang and toa issues at the start and then fixed it 2-3 years after

maybe listen to the balance-focused folks

[velvet orchid]

I said this on release and I got so much flame

[austere mulch]

Also helps slow down the bot problem, bc you can’t have 45 accounts do 10 kills and generate an Oathplate piece from shards

They’d each need to do whatever 450-600kc to get enough shards individually and then also have the smithing level to buy and craft the shale

And ideally, they’d be more likely to be caught by then than at 10kc 😬

[austere mulch]

Insert thanos meme of “where did that lead you”

But thanos is the hundreds+ people saying “hey, this is objectively not good”

[hasty shard]

also trims a bit of shards out of the economy since you'd usually have leftovers you cant convert

[hard axle]

Yep, it's like if the DT2 Rings all dropped in Tradeable Ring Fragments every other kill.

Bots get to contribute to the pool of available rings before they get banned.

Untradeable Shards also means you don't need to do 450 shards. It can be 250 since untradeable and actually functions as a dry mechanic if you farm 300 kc

[austere mulch]

Dw it won’t happen again bc new drops will be closely monitored and have balancing done as needed. Like the ward from toa

[hasty shard]

they took ward out back and shot it lmao

[hard axle]

I checked and I've added 1500 shards in myself

[hasty shard]

why is it just worse than mages book in most scenarios

[austere mulch]

Still is my favorite comment from any blog lol. “We will be closely monitoring the elidinis ward to make sure it doesn’t become another pegasian crystal problem”

The closely monitoring in question

[slender vapor]

Eldinis got done so fucking dirty to protect the sanctity of the 2k hp chickens drop table

[hasty shard]

i think if they poll corp reworks they genuinely need to lock it behind kc or having ever specced corp with vw

its fucking insane how people still talk about chicken corp when it hasnt been meta since toa release

[slender vapor]

Just because it's not meta doesn't mean it's not what a ton of people still do, get down off your high horse lmfao

[velvet orchid]

My fav blog was the voidwaker. It was op pre eoc because you could use a ring of vigour and double spec we have no plans to add this item to the game... next day what about we make the voidwaker 50% spec

[hasty shard]

the meta is the exact same amount of effort

[slender vapor]

People have called corp the 2k hp chicken since the dawn of osrs

[hasty shard]

for double the kph

[earnest marsh]

so since pvm got all those skilling resroces last 10 years, can sailing have all the pvm uniqes?

[hasty shard]

ask people to have actually interacted with a boss instead of balancing it around a meta that doesnt exist anymore, which isn't a good idea

[velvet orchid]

I personally think they should delay sailing until they are ready to add that slayer part

If people can go out to sea and fight stuff for xp it will be more positively received

I dont really like them saying we can add better methods later because they rarely change metas

[minor whale]

Do you consider 25 Corp kc to be knowledgeable about Corp

[hasty shard]

no

so i dont get to vote either

but i have done it since toa release

i dont think corps issues are with the fight itself
nor for most bosses people complain about

if it had loot split and you didn't need an alt to hold instances i doubt people would really care

but like majority of the time if someone's complaining about boss mechanics it's a skill issue and its most obvious with corp because why tf would you do chicken method (horn which makes it more reasonable at least) 4 years since fang came out

people were making it out like doom was fucking unplayably bad because the orb mechanic isn't one click and done, I'm glad jagex can actually hold their stance on designs

[kind sail]

by a thread in like 99% of cases lmao

[hard axle]

no no, eldinis would've been fine if it was good standalone like 5-8% and then sigil for another 2-5% 🙂

[hard axle]

I'd rather they make another corp-style boss that's like yammers andsame drop rtable ngl

[hasty shard]

i dont trust people who want the echo bosses maingame ngl

they were not particularly good lol

[hard axle]

yeah lmao

what people liked was jumping straight to the end

[warm epoch]

I prefer them over the actual bosses

[slender vapor]

Normal kq is dogshit

That's a hill i die on

[hard axle]

trust when I say if you had to do it with basegame stats and no perks, you'd hate it

[hasty shard]

i will actually get violent with someone if they insinuate echo ggs should be a thing

[warm epoch]

Trust when I say I'd love it

[hasty shard]

that was so abhorrently bad

[warm epoch]

Most of the echo bosses had more stuff going on

More stuff more good

[chrome lantern]

Echo GG was ok but not great

[hasty shard]

i genuinely have an essay writeup on how shit echo ggs were

[chrome lantern]

The only one that I feel there's an argument for better than original is KQ

[warm epoch]

I'd rather echo ggs than regular ggs

[chrome lantern]

Echo CG was ok but not a fan of skipping prep and the t3 prep trivialized the fight

[warm epoch]

Doesn't make echo ggs great though but yeah

[hasty shard]

even then i feel like the echo's are just a bit lazily designed since dont the majority of them have that fuckin hydra flame wall mechanic lol

[chrome lantern]

Echo GG was just continual bp walk and the fight is 100% solved

[hasty shard]

you could afk it with tbow if walking in a circle was too hard even 😭

[hard axle]

is basically the Final Dawn boss

but purple

[hasty shard]

ok that has a bit of depth to it maybe

[hard axle]

run to quadrant or get hit

boom

[hasty shard]

ggs were run in a circle and occasionally get stacked 80

latrine tier content

[hard axle]

but yeah, people are vastly overvaluing the actual echos

[chrome lantern]

Nah I never got stacked an 80 bp walking a circle

[hard axle]

and ignoring how strong the relics were this time

ranged sustain is

[hasty shard]

echo dks were neat but they were pretty much just a colo set flick

[hard axle]

and why we should buff onyx bolts to be guthans tier

[hasty shard]

ranged is getting arma brews dw

[chrome lantern]

I didn't really like echo dks

[hard axle]

no no... natty sustain

[hasty shard]

if the idea is that arma brews are how range gets more sustain im fine with that

[small anvil]

Anything for the afk

[hasty shard]

but if they give ranged natty sustain too then 😭

[hard axle]

i just want onyx bolts to be relevant

way less dps but sustain is always balanced imo

[hasty shard]

getting to take 1.8 free brews anywhere is 🥹

wow

[small anvil]

They're relevant for turning into gp

[hard axle]

[hasty shard]

theyd be good if they werent made of onyx lol

[chrome lantern]

ngl I would be a bit annoyed if they made onyx relevant

I've alched tens of thousands of those

[small anvil]

They do drop a lot though

[hasty shard]

clearly they're relevant at doom for sustain

clearly

[small anvil]

At least we don't have to go from the gem 🙃

[hasty shard]

tangent on onyxes
did they come into the game as a shopscape item 😭

like ive tried looking before and it genuinely looks like their only source was the tzhaar shop when they came out

[chrome lantern]

But yeah I've definitely alched at least twice this amount in the past on my iron

[warm epoch]

I keep those just in case jagex does something that makes them worth using

[hard axle]

(like making them heal more consistently )

[hasty shard]

if they make them useful they need to change the spec sound

[hard axle]

its like 1/4 to 1/3 the dps of a tbow

[hasty shard]

its so bad 😭

[warm epoch]

Literally any positive change lmao

[hard axle]

more than fine

to let you heal more

and they cost 9k a shot or 1.8k with assembler breakage

[warm epoch]

I've got 15k of them, surely it'll be enough for an hour

[chrome lantern]

To be longer and louder

[hasty shard]

schlorpschlorpschlorpschlorp

[slender vapor]

Just switch it and nailbeast sound files around

[icy relic]

Echo CG was okay until you got t6 combat

ignore all mechanics and shoot boss

[chrome lantern]

I didn't do a t6 at all it was still trivial with t3 prep

I did 5/5/0 xd

[icy relic]

yeah just saying all the mechanics got invalidated

it was fun doing 5:1 with the super attack speed prior to that though

[hard axle]

that's what im saying

people vastly underestimate/overvalue echos

because of the relics they had at the time

to fit where the bosses are now, they would have to massively rebalance them

[icy relic]

I think the mechanics were actually pretty good for echoless play

but they were promptly invalidated by the echos or not having to go through prep

[hard axle]

need to have substantially better rewards too

[icy relic]

you could literally eat through echo sol's attacks because no invos

[hasty shard]

echo sol was also barely different tbh

[austere mulch]

Khopesh sol to literally ignore everything

[minor whale]

Echo Sol was the most disappointing Echo by far

It was just Sol but totems spawn

[hasty shard]

and constant enrage :)!!

[obsidian venture]

Sol was so boring

Echoes would have to be significantly tweaked if brought to main game

[hasty shard]

AKA dont port them

[mild saddle]

the echoes were cool in leagues but i don't think most of them would be much fun to farm main game

DKs was just perma-flicking a manticore

[obsidian venture]

Ye

[obsidian venture]

Basically

[tawny tide]

I didn’t flick anything. Just went in and wacked them

[dusky scroll]

KQ needs to be echo KQ prove me wrong. Shit was so good

[mild saddle]

wouldn't mind adding a new bug boss / rival hive that had that boss

but replacing existing KQ is a non-starter for me

i think a lot of those old-style bosses have very interesting balances of effort / tech and reward / kph

[meager flame]

idk about very interesting lol

its usually make 1/10th the effort you'd make at a newer boss to get free kills or something along those lines

[austere mulch]

Kalphite King and Queen Black Dragon coming 2027

[meager flame]

probably

[stuck mauve]

potentially

[mild saddle]

that's true for only GWD afaik

talking like cerb, kq, old sire

nex fits too, kinda of counts as an old-style boss

[stuck mauve]

what about solo tob

[meager flame]

those are that way too though

cerb had/has the stand underneath it and flinch if you want

kq the same way

honestly the gwd methods are more interesting and take more effort than those two

[stuck mauve]

yeah

[analog crow]

Impossible to prove you wrong since you are objectively correct

If it wasn’t for diaries being a time capsule from 2015 KQ would be as dead content as purifying vyre juveniles in the morytania swamp

[mild saddle]

flinch methods are memes though

talking about flicking the combo attack at cerb, stepping under to 2:1, adding red-x to that, using demonic offering or sgs to limit prayer pots lost, shield flicking, that kinda stuff

[stuck mauve]

this guy flicks

[mild saddle]

and kq, stepping under, using sbs smart, suffering flicks, that kinda stuff

[static imp]

@fading token @winter hearth Hello, does the rate to obtain heron (pet fish) remain the same when using shark lure? So is it possible to obtain it with an average of 30h ((1/82k)/(2700/h)) when doing 2t fish?

[chrome lantern]

#game-update message
Only took 1 minute to search for previous messages

[dim stump]

Just finish the quest "cold war". Was anyone else bummed out there was no follow up? I was heartbroken 💔

[fair comet]

It definitely deserves a follow-up. It's a fun questline

[hallow musk]

Ummmmm did Latin America just get shit on?

Got kicked and when trying to sign in I cant even get to the login details

[vivid ruin]

What does latin America have to do with it

[hallow musk]

My ip for both mobile and wifi got blocked

[heavy ledge]

They’ve been dealing with server issues the past few days, I saw a message saying maybe a DDOS attack

[slender vapor]

God damn piratesoftware again

[hard axle]

Hey Ash, since this is something we’ve discussed before and it’s been a month, would you be comfortable sharing the drop rate with shark lures?

I have someone with 25 big sharks that should’ve received at least 1 heron and 10+ people have been testing it with no luck.

[warm gust]

Dont know if this is the proporiate channel but I noticed that my screen, on mobile, often freezes during a birdhouse run at verdant Valley. Sometimes it's while building a new birdhouse, otherwise its while running to the next

[heavy ledge]

Best thing to do is submit a bug report

[worn wedge]

Anyobr know if the 2nd appeal system is still expected to being released this month as per the roadmap?

[earnest marsh]

probly get ai that will help you!

sike, it will do nothing 😮

[worn wedge]

Lol

[earnest marsh]

damn, atleast all top 25 players on hiscore on calvarion is all bots

probly top 50 aswell

crazy they dint get banned in yesterday bot busting stream

[fading token]

The chance is affected rather than remaining the same. Sorry, I'll defer to its devs about the release of the exact rates.

[fading token]

Sorry, I would not.
#game-update message

[ionic tartan]

Hi @fading token, do you know why the Combat Dummy in POH works for restoring prayer with Ancient Mace's special attack but not for Eldritch Staff's special attack?

[slender vapor]

"We've fixed a bug where ancients mace was restoring prayer off the poh dummy"

The monkey's paw curls

[ionic tartan]

They removed Eldritch Staff's working with POH dummy almost 5 years ago, I'm just hoping for some info on why that was changed.
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/jytrxd/the_eldritch_nm_staff_spec_is_not_working_on_the/
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/rip24a/allow_eldritch_orb_spec_on_poh_dummy/

[gritty briar]

Use ancient mace 👍

[ember token]

its weird because its worse for boosting prayer so there's no balance reason it shouldnt work

[vivid ruin]

Yeah ive boosted up to 130+ with mace

[ember token]

i would guess its more likely a technical reason (especially since it's a magic weapon) and because it's worse and less accessible than the ancient mace, they just didnt bother to fix it

[idle rapids]

the thing that should be fixed is needing to have partial completion of WGS for higher boosts

Apparently port khazard does this so he can boost pray to some crazy amount

[final frigate]

saves you what 1 dose no

[idle rapids]

yea probably about that much

that and having your vigorra stuck in rogues castle permanently

was a bad spot before but now its awful with the rogues chest update

[slender vapor]

You don't like being scout botted 3 Nano seconds after getting there?

[proud hornet]

Hello @fading token - sorry to ping. Tried reaching you on Twitter but I wouldn't blame you for not being on there as often anymore. It's kind of small thing that happened in summer sweep up. Is there any plan to restore Nex spiritual creatures' fire weakness? Currently they have the shared 30% air weakness which is pretty mediocre compared to what used to be 200% fire weakness.

[hard axle]

Understood, thank you

[worn wedge]

Oh wth is Mod ash actually in this chat? That is so nice lol.

Hey Mod Ash, any idea when the 2nd appeal system will be coming out? I'm dying to play again (literally)

[true talon]

What’s 2nd appeal system

If you get perm banned you should have to make another account that’s your punishment for your actions

[sacred skiff]

Crying and lying on Reddit is the second appeal system. If you can get enough pitchforks, maybe they’ll show evidence of your botting for the smackdown

[true talon]

The smackdowns are always so good

[worn wedge]

Thank you. I thought it was expected for a summer release - looks like its an Autumn release

[hard axle]

the 3rd appeal process

its getting bumped down

[quiet plank]

I hope the bot busting stream wasn't the anti cheat and rwt focus

[true talon]

Nah those are just for fun

Way to profit and entertain off the cheaters

[fair comet]

What?

[worn wedge]

Oh yeah, I definetly deserved the ban. I mouse recorded runecrafting like an idiot.

Just makes life worth living knowing I might get a 2nd chance again (despite how slim that chance is)

[quiet plank]

It says we're supposed to get more bot removal in autumn

[true talon]

2nd chance again is quite the statement. Just make another account and enjoy the journey till they add a possible forgiveness system.

They don’t hand out perm bans lightly. You had to be a repeat offender to be perm banned.

[worn wedge]

Yah I hear you - i probably should. Just hard now with kids and a family to grind again.

[idle rapids]

[craggy wind]

More agility activities closer to afk would be warmly welcomed for ending the grind

[idle rapids]

do you know about the poh method?

[analog crow]

I dunno about you but I'd much rather play a lvl 20 acc that I made myself than a lvl 99 acc that's made by a computer program

[craggy wind]

I have it built but now that I’m 96 I fail too much. my xp is so sporadic and sometimes 0 after while 🤣

[idle rapids]

Did you build the long version of it?

Should be really long afk even with max agility

[craggy wind]

Holy shit no… mine is only about to 7!

I guess I need to reformat

[idle rapids]

If you don't mind the slow xp drip then go for it lol

Way better than the pedal method at BF

[craggy wind]

I don’t really as long as it is consistent.. it ended up being like a good 60-80k from being at work

[idle rapids]

Want me to send an invite to the POH agility disc?

We've got it down to a science lol

[hard axle]

send please

my alt needs this

[idle rapids]

gg/fqsDCKyP

[hallow crown]

if the xp was a bit better for poh id probably do it

[stuck mauve]

again?

[bronze kernel]

I love how this is a thing

How many bots you think are hiding in some shoddy POH?

[sacred skiff]

Why would they hide when they can get 105 before a ban at sepulchre and get paid the whole time tho

[earnest marsh]

do anyone else think the slayer rework is the wrong way to go forward with it?

well i guess alot of people think that

[stuck mauve]

[earnest marsh]

instead of buffing a bad unpopular task, we just removing it

bigger and badder getting buffed when its the best reward alredy???

[old tinsel]

How many edits till you fix ur mistakes

[earnest marsh]

when i stop doing pp

[old tinsel]

You’re at 4 and still not done lol

[earnest marsh]

its more ezscape that people want right

[stuck mauve]

yeah

[earnest marsh]

but idk, whats the point then

[stuck mauve]

thoughts on autocast ayak

[earnest marsh]

why not just remove all non barrage task then

[stuck mauve]

yeah

so i don't have to turael skip anymore

[earnest marsh]

ye

td has boosted slayer xp

but i guess dragons arent allowed to have it?

[chrome lantern]

I think slayer will always be fundamentally flawed when the system is still getting 95% awful tasks that you skip or slog through, then have no control over what you actually are assigned to kill when you get a task worth doing once you get the 5% of tasks worth doing

Hunter rumors are a way to train hunter, not the whole skill, but slayer doesn’t do that

[earnest marsh]

i did alot of master rumours recently, only 3 task and you block 70%, man so sheet

[chrome lantern]

Even rebalancing and making skipping faster doesn’t make the skill’s fundamental framework with a complete lack of alternatives any less egregious

Slayer is the slowest skill and only has one way to train it that pretty much just is not an enjoyable gameplay loop in any way

[earnest marsh]

yee

[chrome lantern]

Does all but force you into hunting tasks to kill things because it’s a waste of time to kill stuff off task if it has a task (or it’s task-only like bosses), then gives you very little control over what you actually get to kill

[earnest marsh]

have you watched heboxjunge video about slayer?

[chrome lantern]

The highest level slayer master doesn’t even assign the highest slayer level req enemy

[nocturne solstice]

its interesting though that despite being one of the slowest skills, its far from the lowest 99 🤔

[earnest marsh]

idk if you calc effective xp

its not that slow

[chrome lantern]

And high level slayer masters still assign things with no req to kill like trolls and greater demons and kalphites - these should be unlockable toggles like lizardmen and basilisks at most

[earnest marsh]

you can do high alch, melee xp+ slayer xp

[stuck mauve]

or can you

[earnest marsh]

so you kinda can train 3 skills when doing slayer

but people just do slaye for hte most part to just afk

[nocturne solstice]

i definitely did

[earnest marsh]

nothing wrong with it

[nocturne solstice]

afking it feels a lot more viable than the other skills which is interesting

[chrome lantern]

I tried afking slayer on my main at one point when I started my iron. Way too inconsistent and wasn’t remotely afk the vast majority of the time

[nocturne solstice]

Probs because the afk methods usually still give like, 40-60k/hr while afk methods for like rcing or mining is like 20k

[earnest marsh]

yee

[nocturne solstice]

i found it really consistant, might be bad tasks

I afk'd stuff like gargoyles, kraken, bloodvelds, cave horrors, aberrant spectres, and even abyssal demons

its a bit more of a pain on the iron with prayer pot management but thats just iron life for ya

[earnest marsh]

ye venator bow abysal demons is pretty afk and with arcuss spellbook, its crazy amount of xp

[nocturne solstice]

way too lazy for that haha, I just had the sanctifier

[earnest marsh]

stand alone slayer is the slowest skill

but idk, i would say rc is the slowest right?

overall

[analog crow]

Unless you use runners ig

[earnest marsh]

true

you can use alts in slayer also

get everything under 10hp

log in on main and last hit everything 😮

[analog crow]

Is that really faster

[earnest marsh]

ye alot

[analog crow]

Hmm

But you still need to grind slayer on the alt 🤣

[stuck mauve]

yeah who got time for that

[earnest marsh]

can just buy people

[stuck mauve]

when you can just do either afk barrage tasks or zuk tasks

massive xp

[earnest marsh]

jhust think the slayer rework is bad bandaid fix that will bite them again in 1-2 years

[stuck mauve]

is the bite infectious

[earnest marsh]

well jagex is masters at bandage fixes so maybe it will work out in the end

[earnest marsh]

yes

what you think about the slayer changes outside easy scape

[chrome lantern]

40-60k is extremely generous for afk slayer

Way higher than I ever saw

[nocturne solstice]

What did you do for afk slayer? I usually parked my dude at the mob with auto retaliate, super combat, prayer on, and watched youtube videos

[chrome lantern]

60k is barrage territory

[nocturne solstice]

most mobs at catacombs got me that much

nah barrage is 80k+

unfortunately ive got a boss task rn so I cant test

[restive siren]

As someone who just did 99 slayer, 60-70 was pretty average for barrage or ven bow

Rarely did any afk but that was like 30k at best from memory

[chrome lantern]

Specifics on xp aside, it’s still the slowest skill in the game

[nocturne solstice]

i feel like whether or not its the slowest skill in the game is very much determined by specifics on xp

[chrome lantern]

The xp/hr isn’t super relevant to the real issues I have with the skill though. I think having slow skills is fine.

[restive siren]

I mean even at 80k which is turbo hyper minmax to actually pull off for a longer period its among the slowest 3 no

[nocturne solstice]

Its probably slowest on the min-max scale for skills yeah

[restive siren]

Dont think i ever got 80k for multiple hours in a row

[chrome lantern]

Even if you can afk it, it’s not consistent because only some tasks are afk and you can’t choose whether you’ll get an active or afk task

[restive siren]

And i play quite efficiently

[nocturne solstice]

Still, more 99 slayer than the other skills because its painful to get to those max xp rates on the other skills

[chrome lantern]

More 99 slayer than other skills because they structured an activity where it has a sole path to train it and doing combat outside of slayer for training your stats is consequently a waste of time

[restive siren]

But yeah still very much enjoyed slayer and i hate most other slow skills

[nocturne solstice]

I dont think its a waste of time, kinda unrealistic to say that too

[restive siren]

Constant variety, constant chance at superiors, good drops, getting combat exp

[nocturne solstice]

certainly not efficient

[chrome lantern]

Too many things are locked task-only and/or have tasks and thus are a waste of tome to kill off-task

[restive siren]

Just so nice compared to dropping friggin logs every minute

[chrome lantern]

See slayer bosses like hydra, 1/1000 claw and task only from the worst slayer master

[nocturne solstice]

but its not a waste of time, higher combat stats still make pvm faster meaning you get higher xp/hr on slayer. Lets you do other content thats not slayer (raids) better too

[chrome lantern]

See tormented demons and demonic gorillas, where doing it off task is literally trolling

Slayer has compounding issues of having a sole way to engage with it, the slayer helmet making doing things off-task a waste of time, 95% of tasks being completely garbage and useless, and making things task-only and require you to hunt tasks.

[nocturne solstice]

I dont agree with having a "sole way" as a problem.
I do agree with the slayer helm making it a "waste of time" doing off task
I dont think 95% of tasks are garbage
I dont think some mobs being task only is bad either

[chrome lantern]

Hunter rumors demonstrate why slayer tasks suck as the only way to train slayer

The skill itself isn’t hunter rumors, they’re just a way to train it

No hunter npcs are task only

[nocturne solstice]

Im confused, why does hunter rumors demonstrate why slayer tasks suck? People love hunter rumours and recommend everyone to do em.

[chrome lantern]

Because you can still train hunter without rumors

[earnest marsh]

slayer should been a minigame

[chrome lantern]

You can focus on specific loot and hunter targets like chins

[nocturne solstice]

But that doesnt mean hunter rumours or slayer sucks

[tacit wharf]

people tend to efficiency the shit out of slayer, hence why "95% of tasks are trash" is a common complaint

[nocturne solstice]

It means instead of doing the other methods, people are recommending hunter rumours

[dire mango]

slayer is the "common mmo quest" skill

[tacit wharf]

nuke turael, make people actually have to interact with the skill

[chrome lantern]

I personally consider any task where you attack something in singlecombat with zero loot a worthless task

[tacit wharf]

^

one of them people

[chrome lantern]

Whether they’re aggressive or not

You know why though? Because I don’t have a choice

[tacit wharf]

u always have a choice

[chrome lantern]

If you weren’t locked to random tasks it wouldn’t be an issue at all

[tacit wharf]

u just choose to think you dont

[nocturne solstice]

You arent locked though

[earnest marsh]

i think it would be better if you couldnt skip

[chrome lantern]

There aren’t enough slayer points in the universe to skip all the tasks never worth touching with a 40 foot pole

[tacit wharf]

turael skipping is the bane of slayer

[craggy wind]

I’m just trying to advocate for afk agility.

[nocturne solstice]

We do have afk agility

That super expensive POH method and varlamore

[craggy wind]

better

[chrome lantern]

Turael skipping is an issue but has the fortunate bonus of letting people choose to avoid the 95% of slayer tasks that are complete and utter garbage

[nocturne solstice]

It shouldnt be better since its afk

[craggy wind]

I am gonna improve my poh to see if it’s better. The one I did is missing 3 spots

[tacit wharf]

i will say, them fixing whatever monkey code they have for agression would make those single way tasks, much better

[chrome lantern]

By doing faster tasks that are complete and utter garbage

[earnest marsh]

and now they are adding monsters that gives insane weapons and xp

at low level

[tacit wharf]

staring down a monster, who should be agressive, and it just sitting there staring at you and then walking away, is irritating as hell

[restive siren]

I dont recall having to do any of those on my 99 grind. In early levels sure but 80+?

[nocturne solstice]

The only one i recall like that is hellhounds and I blocked em so

[tacit wharf]

a lot of monsters tend to do that

happens at iron drags, tzharrs, gargs to name a few (yes i know gargs dont do it a lot but still instances)

[nocturne solstice]

oh yeah i guess demons count, but I just did the worthwhile variants like TDs or Gorillas. The regular ones weren't rewarding loot wise but were pretty good for afk training.

[restive siren]

I mean ofc there are tasks that are single

But you dont have to do any of them

[chrome lantern]

Fire giants, black demons, greater demons, cave horrors, elves, specters, hellhounds, trolls, dark beasts, black dragons, blue dragons, metal dragons of all types, all wyverns, spiritual creatures, gargoyles, krakens, drakes, wyrms, kurasks, zygomytes, waterfiends, kalphites. Some are exacerbated by cannonballs being a waste of time on ironman but that doesn’t change that the tasks are completely useless and have no place even being assigned by high level slayer masters outside of an optional unlock.

Metal dragons too yeah

As a huge one

[restive siren]

Hunter rumors have shit tasks too thats why you set up a block list

[chrome lantern]

Fastest block in existence after the rebalance

[restive siren]

Optimizing a skill doesnt make it bad idk

[chrome lantern]

I have my block list full and 90% of tasks are still not worth touching with a 50 foot pole

[restive siren]

Thats bs. I did slayer for a month and did not do a single one of these. And i definitely didnt skip 90% you dont have points for it

[chrome lantern]

Which is why we turael skip

[restive siren]

I didnt

Ok correction, i did runite dragons for points because it takes 5 minutes

[nocturne solstice]

Going off that list it feels like you're wasting a lot of points skipping quick xp tasks

[restive siren]

Everything else is multi

[chrome lantern]

I don’t waste any points because I Turael skip them

Just added more to the list above

[nocturne solstice]

Regardless it feels like your issues are self-inflicted

[restive siren]

Turael skipping is weird but you only need to do it if you hunt a specific task for a drop

For general slayer its completely unnecessary

[earnest marsh]

damn so after metal dragons

[chrome lantern]

Still going. Just added even more things to the list of tasks I would never do

[earnest marsh]

slayer is just 100% barrage

😛

crazy

well black dragons

and td and demonics

which you should be done by when hitting 85+ slaye right

[chrome lantern]

Which is why they’re blocked

[earnest marsh]

yeep

crazy

i guess you do slayer tower nechryls right

[chrome lantern]

No

[earnest marsh]

but other then that, its just going to be those demi bossses (td, demonic gorrilas) and barrage

[idle rapids]

The spreadsheet i used had me skip slayer tower nechs but do slayer tower abby spectres

[chrome lantern]

Even with task storage you have very little control over what you do and when with slayer

Which is the bigger problem to me

[idle rapids]

idk its kinda solved mathmatically imo

[earnest marsh]

barrage is crazy xp ,but like its boring

[idle rapids]

like just get a spreadsheet

[earnest marsh]

i dont think thats what slayer should be

[idle rapids]

tells you exactly what tasks u will end up doing

[chrome lantern]

Sure but what if I don’t want to barrage today? Or don’t want to do TDs/Gorillas?

What if I need to kill Hydra?

[earnest marsh]

dont do slayer kekw

[chrome lantern]

Little to no freedom or control

[chrome lantern]

I only do as much as I must

[earnest marsh]

yep same

[idle rapids]

iron issues i guess

[dire mango]

sry about all the rng in the rng game.

[restive siren]

Ill take the rng and variety over standing at an ore or tree for 300 hours any day

Makes slayer actually fun

[chrome lantern]

I just don’t see how people can look at slayer and be like, “I’m okay with this skill having only one way to train it and no freedom or control, so everyone else should be too”

[earnest marsh]

slayer is sheet

[restive siren]

That its not the same shit all day

[tacit wharf]

u dont need to do anything, u want to do hyrda

[earnest marsh]

skilling is more interesting, but i agree that doing teak from 35-99 is sheet

[idle rapids]

Yea thats fair, I like skills having as many methods as possible

You don't have to do teaks to 99 lol

[chrome lantern]

I would say you should just train one of the other 22 skills or kill a boss (that isn’t locked behind a slayer task!) for variety

Again, I’m fine with slayer tasks existing in the same way I’m fine with hunter rumors existing

But you can train hunter without rumors, you can’t train slayer without awful tasks

[earnest marsh]

true, you can do 1.5 tick redwood with lightbearer and d axe from 88!

[dire mango]

The freedom and control is in the choosing of a slayer master and blocking/skipping tasks. You're just minmaxing in a probability sense instead of deterministically like with more "basic" skills.

[restive siren]

And i can say to you that if you dont want to barrage today you should just do any skill that lets you chose your method instead. The logic doesnt follow. People enjoy different things, slayer is subjective and you are pretending its objectively bad

Im not telling you you are wrong to dislike it thats fine

But you are 100% incapable of seeing the other side

[chrome lantern]

Mining has 8 different viable methods

Woodcutting has 4

[earnest marsh]

hmm, would i say people like afk slayer when they get a task, go to gargoyles, close the window and open it in 2minutes?

[chrome lantern]

Distinct, to be clear

[stuck mauve]

slayer has 1

[earnest marsh]

just an idle game then, but i guess idle game is popular

[chrome lantern]

Most skilling skills aren’t just staying at a rock or tree for 300 hours

[stuck mauve]

i mean at least 1

[chrome lantern]

That’s just how people choose to ignore it and get xp

If you think that woodcutting is staring at a tree for 300 hours I would say that’s a more narrow view on skilling

[earnest marsh]

yee woodcutting is just insanely hated by jagex

[idle rapids]

Iron ore, amethyst, MLM, blast mine, VM, 2s2g, shooting stars, gem rocks, rune ore, afk at GOTR

Wish all skills could have so much variety

Agilitys pretty good too

[earnest marsh]

ye, sep is like one of the best ocntent in the game

[chrome lantern]

I will say to be clear

I have maxed my iron, and I will continue to do slayer as-is on my gim

[idle rapids]

Well sep is whatever I just like that theres so many different options for levelling agility effectively

[chrome lantern]

But if I were to point to issues with the skill

These are definitely where I would improve

[restive siren]

Well you could argue slayer tasks are wildly different methods too. The gameplay difference between doing TDs, araxxor or barraging nechryaels is at least as big as between mlm, iron, amethyst and Stars. Id argue its even larger. And thats ignoring that you have fishing and woodcutting with similar gameplay loops to mining too

[chrome lantern]

Yeah but you can’t choose

[restive siren]

Yeah minigames are cute but a lot of the baseline is zero variation

[idle rapids]

slayer was def in my least fave skills to max

and havent trained it since maxing

[chrome lantern]

Even if you can put together your mathematically proven spreadsheets and “solve” the skill

[idle rapids]

the best part of slayer is the bosses, which could just be bosses you actually get to fight outside of slayer

[chrome lantern]

It’s still extremely limited choice

Yeah slayer helm and task-only bosses are a huge negative to me

Exacerbated by going very dry at cerb/hydra on my iron

[idle rapids]

you dont like the helm because it limits your full set options or what

[earnest marsh]

ye, and they kinda nerfing hydra with the new slayer changes, as you need to setup konar block list now

just for doing hydra

[chrome lantern]

I don’t like helm because anything you can kill on-task now becomes something you must kill on-task or be wasting your time

[idle rapids]

Only if you adopt that mindset

[tacit wharf]

except your ignoring the fact, u can in fact choose, u can choose to block a certain task you dislike, or just skip it if u have the point to do it

your problem is you just hate everything except for 5 tasks

[idle rapids]

Thats for like CAs mainly anyways

[chrome lantern]

Reminder that highest level slayer master doesn’t even assign the highest level slayer monster

[chrome lantern]

90% of the tasks are functionally the same task

I’ve said what I hate, and that remains solely killing things slowly in singlecombat

[idle rapids]

duradel is such a noob smh

[tacit wharf]

100% of skills are 100% the same as all you have to do is click x

[chrome lantern]

You could say you hate barraging and have the same thing but opposite

[idle rapids]

we should be able to take his cape off him and reward it to konar instead

[earnest marsh]

ye, most melee task in slayer is just click it, and go afk for 1-2 minutes and come back to eat some food and collect drops,

same with barraging

[idle rapids]

obviously if you dont like your task you can go train slayer at the varrock museum, 2k xp/hr

problem solved

[chrome lantern]

True let me just go temple trek to 99!

Oh wait, xp isn’t even my primary issue

[idle rapids]

oh yeah even faster

3 whole methods for slayer

[chrome lantern]

It’s the tasks and task-only enemies/bosses

Also imbued heart but that’s a related discussion

[idle rapids]

what are you an iron just buy the drops off GE if you dont care about xp

[chrome lantern]

I am

[idle rapids]

you signed up to farm those boring mobs then

[earnest marsh]

i dont wanna sign up as a main to support bots

[chrome lantern]

Read above

[earnest marsh]

i guess i can go to forum and trade to private people 😮

[idle rapids]

wait but the runescape forums are kill

been gone for years lol

[chrome lantern]

Also being an iron does not mean I’m signing up to deal with or turael skip bad slayer tasks, that’s true on both mains and irons because you have almost no freedom in how you actually engage the skill

[earnest marsh]

buying non botted brew making for 13k each!!

[chrome lantern]

Drawing back parallel to hunter rumors, at least those tasks are fast

[earnest marsh]

rumours have more interaction then slayer

[chrome lantern]

I despise herbiboar but you only do 10 of them not 200

Also yeah rumors are highly active

[idle rapids]

Hunter rumours were fun when you could dupe the parts

[earnest marsh]

i love rumours

just kinda to much running around

[chrome lantern]

Rumors are fine but I’m more than fine not doing them too

[idle rapids]

3 hunter pets is insane btw

[chrome lantern]

What about the 7 slayer pets

[earnest marsh]

yep, gotta nerf slayer

[chrome lantern]

More if you include bosses you should kill on task but aren’t task-locked

[idle rapids]

i wouldnt rlly call them slayer pets lol

[chrome lantern]

In that case I wouldn’t call any of them hunter pets either

[earnest marsh]

arraxor, smoke devil, hydra, kraken

[chrome lantern]

None of them are a skilling pet, they’re all from a specific activity

[chrome lantern]

Garg, sire, cerb

[earnest marsh]

well i guess sire is able to do offtask right

[idle rapids]

they're from a non combat skill

[chrome lantern]

Nope

[idle rapids]

would you call butch a strength pet?

[chrome lantern]

Nope I would call it a boss pet, but you literally can’t do slayer bosses off-task

I’m fine with calling the hunter pets hunter pets if you call slayer boss pets slayer pets

[earnest marsh]

dont worry, i will try to get hydra pet without doing slayer

any tips?

[idle rapids]

sounds like a rendi vid

[dire mango]

Even petcord calls them slayer pets. It's not some new term he made up

[idle rapids]

okay well fair enough im not here to argue semantics i just think 3 hunter pets is too many

[earnest marsh]

agree, i also believe we have way to many pets ingame

[chrome lantern]

And I’ll say 7 slayer pets is too many then ;)

[earnest marsh]

honestly delete like 70% maybe

all wildy pets should be deleted to make it less relevent for pet farmers

all low level bosses should also get deleted pets

slayer locked pets can also be deleted?

i gues we can keep like 1-2 pets in slayer

[shrewd solstice]

classic eddy take

[craggy radish]

Delete pets. What?

[chrome lantern]

I’m not opposed to the bosses having pets I just again want to highlight that those bosses are task-only as well

[craggy radish]

Ye fuck those pet hunters that spent weeks or months grinding

[earnest marsh]

ye, shame on them taking all those low level boss value down insane amount

[craggy radish]

It's the bots that do the damage

[earnest marsh]

even jagex wanted to not give huey a pet

but reddit and discord=no pet boss, bad boss

but ye i agree that bots are the problem

top 50 hiscore on calvarion is only bots

maybe 1-2 real players that i missed

[dire mango]

Go pk them

Be the change you want to see

[craggy radish]

Bot bust them

[earnest marsh]

damn i feel sorry for the hardcore people that died on the sever lag

[earnest marsh]

was a bot busting stream yesterday

and none of them got banned

[dire mango]

Did they get busted though?

[craggy radish]

Hence my statement

Bust them

Not the 10 real players that botted 1 day

But the bots that bot all day every day bot bot

[dire mango]

Bust the irons that bot tedious skills

They're the real perps

[earnest marsh]

the people who botted 1 day useuslly get caught becuse they useing the badly made public bot script

[craggy radish]

How else am I gna get agility pet while driving

[last onyx]

By doing agility while driving ofc, don't forget to drink and take off your seatbelt too

[icy relic]

Based

[sacred cove]

There are so many obvious bots that roam free. I've never done mixology without seeing a bot with 30 mill XP.

They pay membership as well, so unfortunately I think there is incentive to keep them around.

[ionic tartan]

Bots that pay membership is not actually an incentive to keep them.

1. Bots make more money than they pay to Jagex.
2. Jagex gets more money if there are less bots to undercut Jagex's gold buying option of bonds.

[sacred cove]

Then why are all these bots living carefree

[ionic tartan]

Because bots are getting really good and current detection tools are not enough? Like there's no magic to getting rid of bots automatically.

[frail bough]

Why don't they just delete the bots though!

Just do it!

[ionic tartan]

Jagex probably also don't give enough to anti-cheat team, like their support

[sacred cove]

It should be very easy to make a list of potential suspects. Level 3 with no skills besides 30 mill herb xp, on the list

Saw a bot today with thousands of bandos KC, well over 99 range, and no other boss kills at all.

I definitely understand you can't automate banning them because a select few might be snowflakes

[ionic tartan]

That's heuristics. It still requires (more expensive) manual review of suspects, because of stuff like weird people and the snowflakes you mention.

But also, the good bots nowadays try pretty hard to look like people, with small randomizations, a play schedule, etc... all stuff to make it require more costly manual review.

[sacred cove]

Play schedules is crazy, did not know they did that

[heavy ledge]

Seeing lots of people complain about slayer today but no new slayer ideas in the game suggestions…

[hollow pumice]

gwd is tricky cause there genuinely are so many weird people farming it for 12 hours a day

[hasty shard]

the weird people all doing 5:0 with a cannon base and minimum stats

i feel like its probably easier to flag gwd bots because they wont have ca's done

which you uh. really want done to do gwd better lol

if a legit player has minimum stat reqs for gwd and is doing that stuff they might have a brain made of milk

[pearl ingot]

Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything, but nothing else has been posted about the official client API yet has it? Like documentation or access to it - that will come out later from what I gathered in the OSRS update announcement?

[ember token]

yeah atm they're only working with some plugin creators privately

[fading token]

Someone excluded the max hit dummies from the eldritch staff's spec effect manually. I don't see any comment to say why, or whether they thought about doing the mace too for consistency. Though as POH can also have altars in, I'd wonder about how much impact it even makes.

[shadow wave]

Does SGS spec work on the Dummies?

[fading token]

Yeah, my entire timeline was filling up with so many phishing scammers that I hardly saw any real player posts anymore, among other problems. Anyway, no, I'm afraid I don't know if they'll change again.

[fading token]

I pass through occasionally. No, I'm afraid I don't know a date to announce for that - the roadmap just said autumn: https://cdn.runescape.com/assets/img/external/oldschool/2025/newsposts/2025-04-29/Player_Support_Roadmap.jpg

[ionic tartan]

Wow! Thank you for that explanation!

I don't like how Eldritch is manually excluded since it just makes it unnecessarily inconvenient, but at least it doesn't sound like a crazy bug.

[true talon]

People use the ancient mace to go past the 99 prayer cap to do content like inferno. ancient macing with 99 prayer an max str gets you to 134 prayer points. elderitch currently does the same, but does not work on the dummy.

Would prefer if they did not remove it.

[viscid kayak]

Players can just spec a rat outside the rimington poh portal, get spec and repeat until ~/120 prayer

[true talon]

that sounds stupid

[vivid ruin]

I dont think you can keep stacking it, can you?

Thought it only boosts based on your highest hit

[pearl ingot]

Awesome, thank you - just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything!

[viscid kayak]

I meant the eldrich

[vivid ruin]

Ohh sorry

[zealous matrix]

A human would not be able to tell a well designed bot apart from a real player

Some even talk to people around them

[hard axle]

While yes, this is true and possible, it is nowhere near the majority.

Majority are suicide bots that should be yeeted.

[zealous matrix]

Yes

[hard axle]

Hiscores are very important to keep clean imo

[sacred cove]

Every mastering mixology bot I have ever seen is incredibly obvious

[hard axle]

Jagex bans a lot, but if they don't take care of purging hiscores, then people will have a very legitimate complaint about it

Even if their account was hijacked years ago

Those players shouldn't keep their highscores

[stuck mauve]

so hiscores or highscores, which one is it

[hard axle]

Hiscores per Jongleflax

[stuck mauve]

i see

[final frigate]

yeah surely they have at least 1 dedicated guy going through hiscores

i can guarantee people would line up to do it for min wage

when people do it for free already

but oh well

[shadow wave]

~£25K a year to have one guy ban a hundred or so bots a day after checking data to ensure no false positives in the face of the 350K bots a month they're already banning does not seem the best use of money

[final frigate]

why would you full time it

[shadow wave]

Ok, one guy banning a few dozen bots a day because he only does 4 hours

Really big impact

[final frigate]

it's hiscores

literal front page 10k kc bots

seems pretty useful to not have your front page be full of bots

if you don't care then sure but it ain't a good look for many people

[hard axle]

I know they're worried about potentially nuking folks that actually grinded a significant portion and then got hacked and got further botted

But it's a bad look to keep that many accounts on hiscores illegitimately over the years

Look at it this way, it's like 10+ years of hacked accounts and even if it was only 0.000001%, that's still thousands of accounts over the years

I would just disqualify them from hiscores if they dont want to reset

Can still track from back-end

[final frigate]

mhm

[hard axle]

Leviathan released 3 years ago and it's legitimately like 80% bots

and hacked accounts

pre-Jagex Account afaik

[final frigate]

trippy

and yeah that's a big issue

[stuck mauve]

leviathan orb is multiplying

or splitting up

[hard axle]

But yeah, it's like ironman - even if it's not full integrity, you gotta act like you care.

[austere mulch]

At least on the road map it has “Anti Cheat RWT Focus” set for autumn fall

[earnest marsh]

They dont already do that what?

Crazy

[heavy ledge]

I’m like 99% certain they do already do that. Sounds like they’re just increasing the priority and dedicating more resources

[earnest marsh]

i wonder how the pk community will be after 😮

[heavy ledge]

Are you implying that most PKers are RWTers or concerned they’ll get swept up with it?

[earnest marsh]

yes

not most

but way more then any other playerbase

[heavy ledge]

Good riddance to any RWTer

Less PKers that RWT opens up more opportunities for legit players in the wildy, either as a skiller/bosser or as a PKer themselves

[earnest marsh]

ye pvp will lawys lose money outside of bh

[heavy ledge]

If you’re bad at PVP, sure

I don’t PVP tho

[true talon]

Jesus what did they do to this item lol

[heavy ledge]

Just not useful at new boss is my guess

[true talon]

full inquis set is now 130m lol

[final frigate]

no content moment

[heavy ledge]

Yeah tbh, looking at the wiki it has barely any #1 recommended setups and those seem to be niche methods

[earnest marsh]

proboly each pvp fight is aroudn 150-200k in supplys, and most fights is teleport out

[hard axle]

Buffed drop rates, lowered kill times, no b5b crush weak bosses

You know this

[heavy ledge]

You ever been to a PVP world? I see my buddy stream fights on em and he makes money

[earnest marsh]

do they dupe items then?

[heavy ledge]

Yeah, same setup

[earnest marsh]

some people lose item if one other get item

[heavy ledge]

Idk what you mean by dupe items, but each person goes in with similar risk or maybe more risk hoping to give themselves an edge

[true talon]

Whole set got sat lol

Good time for a rework or combining inquis into some armor set

[earnest marsh]

if one get a bandos chestplate, one guy lost chestplate

[true talon]

Dont think we gonna get anymore pvm till next year though

Doom was our last major update 🙁

[heavy ledge]

Yes. That is how risk works. Hence my mentioning bad PKers

[earnest marsh]

and then we have tax on ge

so two good pkers that fight each other

[heavy ledge]

Sailing PVM tho?

[earnest marsh]

one will be bad pker

[true talon]

doubt it will provide any meaningful upgrades like doom did

Rosewood pipe is kinda cool for like revs

[heavy ledge]

No. They’re both good PKers. A bad PKer consistently loses, a good PKer consistently wins and knows when not to fight someone who is better than them lol

[heavy ledge]

Fair

[earnest marsh]

still doesnt change the fact that whole pvp communty will always lose moeny

[true talon]

since i finished doom today, my choice is go hunt harm, voli, elderitch, pets or go to chambers for ancestral

we kinda in a bad spot

[heavy ledge]

Sure, but there will always be noobs funneling money into it

Or PVPers earning money elsewhere and coming back to it

PVP is a choice, not a game mode my guy

[heavy ledge]

Pets, always pets.

[earnest marsh]

so you think pvp community rwt less then other gamemodes?

[heavy ledge]

There will also always be skillers or PVMers in deep wildy that PKers can go hunt for money (see: wildy altar, rev caves, etc)

[heavy ledge]

Where did I say that?

[true talon]

fuck no, they RWT drastically more

[heavy ledge]

Where did I even imply it?

[true talon]

pvp community loses money constantly, pvmers do not.

[earnest marsh]

i talked about pvp community rwt more then other gamemodes, and you wanted to say everything else

[true talon]

they do

[earnest marsh]

yep

[heavy ledge]

My comment stands

[heavy ledge]

You said something unclear and I asked for clarification then you went off on a tangent

[true talon]

the pvm side is mostly gold farmers but a lot of them are in the wilderness to. as if you can do it enough, pking is absolute bank.

[earnest marsh]

i have no idea what your talking about then

why you coming up with stuff

i implyed that pvp community rwt more then others

and you wanted to talk aobut it

[heavy ledge]

This is what I assumed we were talking about, I was countering that it’s not an absolute

[earnest marsh]

yee, oda earning so much on risk fights (rwt? kekw)

[narrow folio]

What's funny is unless there's phase transitions to different styles, soulreaper may beat mace

[true talon]

ya SRA is a crazy crush wep

[narrow folio]

Defense depending of course

[true talon]

you can go farm one an have 2nd bis slash and like 2nd bis crush lol

[earnest marsh]

ye just so hard to get

whats the avrage time to get sra?

[winged mantle]

3k dt2 boss kc combined

[narrow folio]

Basically if you get a couple axe pieces on the way to rings, might as well finish the axe instead of going to nightmare and you got a comparable crush weapon anyway

[restive siren]

ty

[true talon]

Surely they add more uses

Damn my d arrow content 🙁

[earnest marsh]

save them for wildy? 😮

[true talon]

i got 10 for wildy now yea lol

[meager flame]

nah i think there will be something

obviously nothing announced but

i have a hard time believing they will release sailing tons of islands and just have absolutely nothing to go out and kill

that would be a really weird situation lol

[heavy ledge]

That was my point, too but I think he meant more like PVM upgrades/sidegrades as new PVM rewards

[meager flame]

might not be like a giga end game boss or anything but like

i think there is room for a zulrah or araxxor type of boss where it probably drops at least one thing thats good

on some random island

it would be pretty weird if they just didn't actually use the islands for content people would actually do

like fishing method #62 is cool and all but the islands need to have a bit more of a point to them than that

[heavy ledge]

Agreed, but again I don’t think that was the point they meant to make

See their response to me

[meager flame]

ya thats why i was mentioning zulrah/araxxor

they're not end game bosses but they do drop a handful of end game items

i wouldn't be surprised if we got one of those

[earnest marsh]

Yee, idk, sailing will be the biggest project ever, maybe even way bigger then toa

And it's a bit shame it's aimed for early game players

[ember token]

sailing is aimed for all players

[kind surge]

for a new skill, it has to be accessible to new players though

but there definitely will be stuff for endgame players that needs high lvl sailing

[earnest marsh]

Useing cannon on stuck NPC on the sea kekw

[heavy ledge]

Smh, another poor soul failed by the education system

[last onyx]

@fading token Is there any plans to fix the maxing bottle necks? Agility & Runecrafting?

Looks like I am here on the right moment and right time

What a coincidence 😉

[last onyx]

Did you hear about the agility dungeon in your POH?

[last onyx]

Yes sir, but it sucks.

Fair 🙂

There's so many accounts like these, i do wonder if they're ever gonna listen and solve the bottle neck or keep ignoring it.

''Just pay some runners a few bill and get over it'' is the normal player approach or just ''semi-afk soul runes for 500 hours'' xD ''Just run 48237 Ardy laps''

Would be nice with a afk agility course, a fast paced agility course without the intensity of Hallowed Sepulchre (Too intense for just a marginal exp increase over ardy) and a actual good runecrafting method that doesn't drain the life out of you.

[umbral summit]

Troll suggestion: Running gives 0.1 agility xp per tick, for 600xp per hour of continuous running

[sacred skiff]

Such an ezscape ask lol. I’m sure there’s no way the owner of that account doesn’t have the time to spend a couple hours a week doing RC/Agility, they just don’t care enough to. I doubt that most people with max capes enjoyed those skills (sepulchre is fun tho, 92-99 with that wasn’t bad), but they cared more about the max than the annoyance of RC. You’re outright asking to devalue that lol

[earnest marsh]

What is that? 😛

[earnest marsh]

Yep! Maxcape isn't really that usefull, and it's basically more of a achievement then qol. Why nerf it more and more

[ember token]

spoken like someone who doesnt have a max cape

[ember token]

i'm also guessing you're not actually maxed either

[sacred skiff]

As someone who does have one, it is pretty useful, moreso than I expected (I didn’t know about the holy wrench thing even if it’s only in your inventory), but that’s not a reason to make agil and rc free to train cuz people would rather pvm

[bronze kernel]

I feel Runecrafting really does need more alternatives

GotR is good, but does get pretty boring since it's just Abyss Runecrafting at warp speed

(Still need the damn Lost Bag from that too BTW)

[ember token]

did gotr til I got the needle and then did afk zmi for like 70 hrs to 99 (albeit with daeyalt essence, which I also afked), and only had to do 7k ardy laps to 99, and that's with not really doing all that much sepulchre

[hard axle]

RC to 99 pre-daeyalt ZMI, 99 GOTR second time

[frail bough]

I still love that idea of rc where it's more rc than running to and from bank / ess

[hard axle]

Sulphur naguas

[idle rapids]

thats why I did arceus library to 77 back in the day, don't like banking during skilling (besides processing skills ofc)

[austere mulch]

RC is already better than non tick manipulation fishing, WC, etc with aethers

As is agility with sepulcher

[stuck mauve]

yeah

i agree with trademark

[austere mulch]

Also sep is 30-40% faster than ardy lol. And profitable

Aether is around or over 100k xp/hr if paying attention

ZMI daeyalt is also good xp, lavas are great too

Both of these skills are faster and more profitable than mining, fishing, and woodcutting not including tick manipulation which most people don’t or won’t do

Calling them a bottleneck in 2025 kinda crazy

[true talon]

Problem with agility is that its just literally braindead bot level content, even if you go to selphcure. there is nothing exciting as you finish a lap and see you got 10k more to go lol.

atleast wildy agility gives you a nice reward and the atomsphere of being attacked any moment keeps you on edge and invested.

[austere mulch]

13k xp per completion or w/e + pb dopamine + gp/log (if you care about it) make sepulcher fun

But yeah wildy agility is another good option

[true talon]

i did a few lvls at wildy course and its were i choose to train now whenever i wanna do agility

prob decent for medium clues now that they stack

[austere mulch]

Mining has mlm which isn’t afk and is slow, vm which is more afk than mlm and decent xp but requires team, or tick manipulation which a very small portion of the playerbase will ever do

[true talon]

92-95 mining strictly at ameythst due to jagex not providing d arrow sources yet

so thats my afk activity

[ember token]

agility just needs another sepulchre type course and then i’d say its fine

[true talon]

I think it needs rewards

the old reward was stamina pots but thats like not really relevent anymore

[stuck mauve]

next raid will be agility raid

[true talon]

twisted scythebow of tumenken has 3 attack styles range, mage, melee

[stuck mauve]

true

and in the future we will be able to combine blorva with radiant for bloradiant

radiarva

sangudiant oathplate armour

[true talon]

I think our next mega will be something that combines gloves

either gloves or rings maybe even necks

The monarch ammulet/ring was testing grounds during league

maybe next raid will be crush based and offer a crush mega rare

and an armor set to upgrade inquistor

[hard axle]

Yeah, I don't get their mentality because it's clearly the same for anything you do in this game; You repeat the grind you hit the goal that you set out for yourself.

Maybe they're playing the wrong game if doing repetitive things, despite obvious micro/macro improvements.

POH agility kind of goated and I'm setting it up for the next acc, but I wouldn't mind one that was high agi requirement + low xp.

Also, that sepulcher XP nerf back in 2020 was a rat-type nerf

[austere mulch]

Crush mega rare is such a meme to me lol. Most content that isn’t slash focused is neutral typings so it’ll have to either force scythe into a slash only niche by being better general use case or have itself forced into the (currently) smaller crush niche

Give us a mega rare spec weapon with neutral typing

[austere mulch]

It’s getting unnerfed 2026 trust

[hard axle]

I don't see an issue with 120-125k xp/hr if you're no-looting tbh

u bring nothing into the game, it's heavily skill based to get <6-6:30, and you burn staminas

[chrome lantern]

RC doesn’t even realllllly need more alternatives, if anything it could do with them locking you to GotR for less time with the forcing functions of robes/needle though. Those are way too impactful on other methods for how long they take to get at GotR

Agility could do with more methods that can be actively engaged with… like how we were promised, polled, and expected the Colossal Wyrm course to be an agility dungeon in the caves beneath the remains of the Colossal Wyrm instead of slow lap course #57

For rc I could see an argument though to adding a zeah-rc-like method at lower levels but you’re already locked to gotr for outfit and needle anyway and 77 is less than 15% of the way to 99 so it’s not that big a deal

[sacred cove]

Needle needs to have some form of dry protection. Increased drop rate at higher pulls, but it with pearls. Something. If you go 2x dry you are locked at gotr until 80 rc. That's ridiculous.

[ember token]

went 5x dry, was locked til 89 rc

[sacred cove]

Shouldn't be a thing

I'm 2x dry but I gave up for the time being and went to zeah

[stuck mauve]

you're heavily skill based

[last onyx]

Hallowed Sepulchre would be fine, if the distance from ardy was bigger in terms of exp to justify the intensity of the activity. Sacrificing all loot for additional exp for example. But i would still miss a real AFK-option for agility such as a 1-click course for 35k/h for example.

Runecrafting is just eww and needs major rework because most of it is just running, running & more running. I already don't like agility xD

[small anvil]

50% efficiency on a 1 click vs ardy is just a hard no imo

I'd accept like... 20k/hr maybe

[last onyx]

The difference is far bigger in other skills

Hence agility & RC is the bottleneck

doesnt even have the option

[small anvil]

Zeah is afk enough

We don't need shooting stars for everything

[sharp cave]

And yet people praise the new crab like its the second coming of jesus

Curious

[last onyx]

We play this game in different ways, not everyone wants to do 7000 ardy laps

[small anvil]

Crab isn't even better than existing methods either in afk or in max rates

It's just easier to get into

[sharp cave]

I mean its better than all other crabs minimum

What's it worse than... nmz???

[small anvil]

It isn't if your max hit is low actually

The XP penalty on big crab

At the cost of no overkill

[last onyx]

What's the harm in allowing me to do a 1-click course for 35k/h for 14.000 laps instead of 7.000 ardy laps?

[small anvil]

Means if you kill sand crabs slowly

[sharp cave]

Yeah I know. But realistically, waterfall alone is enough to make gem crab better so...

[small anvil]

I don't think that's true but I haven't checked

And like the issue is who would do ardy then

Half the rate of ardy is way too high for 1/10 the clicks

[last onyx]

So your solution is to ignore the bottleneck of maxing?

Make a solution

Suggestion*

[small anvil]

How is saying your proposed XP rate is far too generous ignoring it lol

I do think an afk method up to 20k has a spot

[sharp cave]

Afk as in?

[small anvil]

But that's at least 3.5x worse rather than only 2x

One click per minute ish

Up to like 3 mins

[sharp cave]

Not rly afk tho is it

[small anvil]

Not everything needs 10 min afk

No one's bitching about hunter not having afk

[sharp cave]

That's really not much more intense than rooftops

If I have to babysit it anyway

[small anvil]

Rooftops are a click every 6 seconds

Or so

With differing intervals

[sharp cave]

Ok but with a 1 min click time i cant rly do anything else can i

[small anvil]

One click a min you absolutely can

[sharp cave]

Such as?

[small anvil]

You can tab out and do other stuff

[sharp cave]

I can watch a video with 6s click times

[last onyx]

Would be fun to get insight on how many 2250-2277 accounts that havent maxed because of agility & runecrafting and compare it to other skills

[sharp cave]

Maybe if u only have 1 monitor or mobile only I guess?

[small anvil]

1 min afk would 100% be a better experience than current rooftops. I just don't think every skill should be shooting stars able

Osrs shouldn't be entirely doable as an idle game

[sharp cave]

Tell that to the gem crab people

[small anvil]

Afk that gives some progress every now and then with no consequences to walking away from comp is good to have, but it shouldn't be 50% of the most used rate

The best afk Hunter method is 1 click a min approx

Not everything needs a 10 min afk option

[sharp cave]

I mean I agree to an extent, the gemcrab shouldn't offer better exp than ammonites

At any level

[small anvil]

People would "like" XP rates doubled across the board

[sharp cave]

It's far more afk

[idle rapids]

hunter and agility both foot pedalable

[small anvil]

It's not that much more afk than regular crabs...

It's 10 mins

[idle rapids]

that counts as half afk since its braindead

[sharp cave]

I also kinda despise the nmz

[small anvil]

Which hunter is foot pedal

[idle rapids]

i think its fine just cause combat xp has been so devalued since the game came out pretty much

[small anvil]

Combat has always been afk anyway

It's not a new thing basically

It's just no competition crabs

And let's people scythe it lol

[sharp cave]

The same argument can be made for anything else

Might as well buff stars to be the same rate as power mining iron

[small anvil]

Agility I agree needs afk, it was apparent that it had 0 options that didn't require clicking all the time

[small anvil]

Uh hell no?

[sharp cave]

Uhh why not?

[small anvil]

Why should afk 10 mins match clicking every tick

[idle rapids]

https://youtu.be/pN9b4frAVzE?si=DhSc9Iw5hTP8FZOM&t=47

[small anvil]

Huh it's chins even that's funny

[idle rapids]

10k xp/hr afk poh agility count at all? lol

[sharp cave]

How?

Poh??

[idle rapids]

you use the dungeon npcs to lure you into teleportation traps

[small anvil]

That's hilarious

[sharp cave]

Lol

[idle rapids]

that bring you to the start of the course

[sharp cave]

Wtf

[idle rapids]

you get agility exp when you pass them

[small anvil]

Yeah I knew about poh agility

I decided the rate was too low to bother for me

And too expensive

[idle rapids]

yea i think its honestly only worth if you can run it while you work or whatever

[small anvil]

Iirc 50m set up and have to delete existing poh

Mini window on phone and ardy was easier for me

Even if I don't look for long periods

I would get more done within that hour

Plus no start up cost

[idle rapids]

yea fair enough

there was a method to 6 hour it but it got patched recently 👀

[small anvil]

If I was doing an alt tho I'd def consider it

Oh I thought you could reach the end

And have to reset

[idle rapids]

there was a way around it

but now u can't do anything 6 hour anymore (whether its nmz or anything else)

just got fixed recently

[small anvil]

But yeah. I did a bunch of afk methods for all my skills to max and I still think a "35k/hr" afk for agil would be crazy high

[idle rapids]

agree

you can get that foot pedalling spike traps if u want

[small anvil]

People above were arguing for it

[idle rapids]

good enough for me

[small anvil]

Yeah I don't mind it for foot pedal

But actual 1click per min or less nahhhh

[idle rapids]

i think if they did go that route itd have to be 20k xp/hr

[small anvil]

Yeah

[idle rapids]

that seems fair

[small anvil]

I think 20 is around where it's fair

Given the other agility rates

(I wouldn't be against them just flat buffing agility XP rates by like ...30% or smth across the board)

Rc by 50%

People would instantly hate the skills less

[idle rapids]

didnt they just rework agility exp rates a year ago or less

[small anvil]

I have no idea the

Tbh

[idle rapids]

i dont want this to become league of legends where we get balance changes every few months lol

[small anvil]

I imagine that's lower course rates?

[idle rapids]

as i recall they at least changed brimhaven and most of the lower level agility courses

canifis got a huge exp/hr nerf i believe

[small anvil]

Ah

They probably didn't touch the top end

[idle rapids]

you can do canifis for like 18 xp/hr or spam spike traps for 30k+ its a meme

[small anvil]

They like are always so scared to affect top end

[idle rapids]

looks like they buffed ardy a little

[small anvil]

I think actul afk for agility (not foot pedal but better than poh) and better overall rates is good enough

Ah I see

[idle rapids]

but yea sep is same

[small anvil]

I guess I also kinda mentally don't count sep lol

[idle rapids]

yea i wouldnt be opposed

[small anvil]

Cuz it was too hard for me

[idle rapids]

gem crab has been so popular for the game

its clear the demand is there for more afk stufff

[last onyx]

100%

[small anvil]

I just think half of ardy rate is bonkers

As above person was proposing

[tacit wharf]

ardy rooftops already ez enough to do while watching a show

[gloomy gazelle]

zzxsdewaawwwwqqq111111111111111111112222

[small anvil]

There is definitely a gap in that methods for not constantly clicking are poh agility or the blast furnace bike

[tacit wharf]

rather they give us a small xp gain while we run than have an afk agility method

[small anvil]

I wouldn't

Fully passive agility yuck

You'd get people doing follow lines

Which is the same thing lol

[tacit wharf]

im talking like 5k or lower while you run

[idle rapids]

ppl would just never train agility as itd be a 0 time skill lol

thats like -1 skill from the game

[small anvil]

That's still what, 2600 hour agility 99 just from playing the game

[tacit wharf]

ya

[small anvil]

People would say why even level agility

Nahhh

[last onyx]

Not everyone is the same, we play this game in different ways. I can't stand Hallowed Sepulchre intensity for the 90k/h i manage to squeeze out of it, but i can manage to reset Maiden 300 times for a attempt at a PB. In other scenarios i prefer to completely AFK and just enjoy the simplicity of the game by doing some stars, or crab on my alt. We're all different, we play the game in different ways and that's the beauty of the game, having options. Having a AFK agility course is a easy fix to the maxing bottle neck to allow those of us that can't stand the skill to obtain a max cape. As of now there's not a single option i would ever consider to level agility to 99, and i'm definetely not alone when i say that. There is a bottle neck in both Agility & Runecrafting that needs to be fixed.

[tacit wharf]

then like i said, watch a show, pound out some ardy rooftops then

[idle rapids]

i think spike traps are OP imo

[tacit wharf]

best afk u can get while still training

[small anvil]

Afk existing is fine imo. Proposing half the rate of ardy agility as afk is just ludicrous

[idle rapids]

if i was a noob id spam spike traps to 99