game-update

[kind sail]

yeah mechanically I still think it's top 2 in terms of difficulty in this game (probably hardest tbh), but incredibly solvable, just depends how good you are

[icy relic]

And triple melee grubs because why not lmao

[true talon]

yea i dunno how anyone can find extreme rng mechanical spam bloat fun esp on a streak boss in which you are meant to push deep.

[hard axle]

Okay maybe this too

No double boulder while grubs out ty

[true talon]

or while doing orb

atleast the setup

if i have to flick while walking ok

[icy relic]

it's not, which is why we reset 7 lul

until there is some indication that 8+ massive improves loot

[hard axle]

I hope they don’t remove the challenge behind double boulders by itself

[icy relic]

but it doesn't seem like that is the case

[hard axle]

Cuz that’s a big change

[icy relic]

boulders are fine

pathfinder is fine, it's all the other things on top of it like the random acid ragging, not being able to influence which direction the acid goes or where grubs spawn from

if acid spawned behind him away from the direction you're attacking

that gives you some control

[true talon]

Hmmm lol i yellow clicked under the boss, clicked out boulder pushed me back under it and then i clicked scythe it an boss killed me with beam on wave 1 XD

[icy relic]

not saying that's necessarily a good change but it's just an example of controlled mechanics versus rng

my last run I noodled 8 scobow shots in a row and had to deal with 4 sets of boulders and 2 melee grub sets

shit's not fucking possible

[true talon]

what a legendary death that was lol

[true talon]

Dw everyone will hit you with skill issue

[true talon]

i think this is overblown as difficult, the actual difficulty comes from everything involved while your trying to do double boulders.

which is due to the boss having no cooldowns lol

[icy relic]

there indeed are skill issues but like more things can screw you over without tbow/zcb to blow past both annoying phases

as soon as you see first boulder drop, zcb spec to go straight to shield phase

it's a bit of the rs3 problem where dps just solves all problems because you skip all the mechanics

[true talon]

thats why i like phase based mehcanics, i think the grub shield is a good one

health % is always better ex awakened levi

[lone remnant]

I've gotten pretty deep delves and I dont have ZCB, but it still is really frustrating to be resigned to orb walking like 45% of the time lol

right into another charge phase when i get him to like 50 hp, and then ive gotta sit there another 15-30 seconds 🙂

[thick beacon]

from higher lvl ppl ive seen it seems they just outdps orb phase most of the time

[true talon]

yep

deeper you go is based on the dps you go to limit the acid spread

if you get to orb it spreads more acid

[lone remnant]

i would have a 20 delve by now if i had zcb

[chrome lantern]

You can avoid this by being over 60hp, hope that helps

[thick beacon]

it seems farming lower waves is viable anyway

like its kinda same at toa where when u dont have the gear it just feels really shit pushing

but u can still do it

[true talon]

didnt know being above 60 hp prevents the yellow click

[chrome lantern]

No but it prevents the death

I do find it wild though

I’ve had 0 yellow clicks so far

In like 600 delves

And idk what people are doing

[thick beacon]

they are improving boss anyway next week

[lone remnant]

wave pb?

[true talon]

well thats first wave 1 death it was a nice combo of hilarity though

[chrome lantern]

I don’t usually attempt 8+ if that’s what you’re asking

[true talon]

boss setup me up good on that yellow click

[chrome lantern]

But the clickbox doesn’t change does it

[lone remnant]

it doesnt, but the pace of the fight does

and that influences yellow clicks

you arent even ranked 8+

why 🧢

[chrome lantern]

Because it’s not enjoyable and I don’t intend to waste my time

I just haven’t done it a single time so I found it weird

[lone remnant]

because, you arent pushing any difficulty

[chrome lantern]

Also if you looked up Etube that’s not my main acc but I’m not ranked on my iron either

[lone remnant]

i looked up both

dont worry

[chrome lantern]

Or GIM

[lone remnant]

im a professional hater

[chrome lantern]

xd

[lone remnant]

my buddy was actually pacing wr and died to a yellow click

more normal than you think

tob bosses have perfect click boxes and shadows

lets just stop doing that

jagex moment

[small anvil]

More stress into less precision with clicks makes sense to me

[lone remnant]

the sideways red click is also insane

[icy relic]

especially with how many things are going on in this boss

[small anvil]

The gap between the shield arms is easy to yellow click into

[icy relic]

just let me click back onto the boss anywhere within its tiles

yellow clicks are also so lethal

[lone remnant]

yeah 0 tick melees for 38s

afufufu

do we have to post the synq clip again

[true talon]

Well i got enough tears i guess to just go till i die

i did 1-7 claims till 22k tears lol

[true talon]

5 pets lmao

[kind sail]

big recovery by me man

[hard axle]

So I noticed something about the same tick projectile with Boulder: If you get meleesd, the attack cycle is fucked and that’s when it same ticks.

@frail bough

I watched the vod back and saw that I got meleed 2 hits before

[lone remnant]

nah we did a review of it me and my buddy

[hard axle]

No melees on ur part?

[lone remnant]

ah nvm

im thinking of the wrong thing

but we reviewed this

and we decided that for melee punish thing

if u melee too early youll get an orb from the boss

[true talon]

So demotivating i need 3 uniques and already 1030 in with 0 🙁 but we keep on trucking!

[icy relic]

I didn't get my first until 1250

[kind sail]

i went so dry before this lol

[true talon]

drop has to be 1/5k

[kind sail]

for any drop 1-8?

nah 0 chance lmfao

[true talon]

prob 1/1k for cloth, 1/2k for wand and 1/3k for boots

[lone remnant]

what is pet

i have more pets than uniques

[icy relic]

pet eating all yo unique chances at high delves

[frail bough]

i tried some melee delve this morning and there is a weird interaction where it prevents one of his attacks and then from there on its fucked too
worth noting that i was using hally too so its like he was sitting there munchin on me

had it on both wave 1 and 2 when meleeing

[lone remnant]

thats what im thinking too

theyre not on the same table... right?

[icy relic]

...right?

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1mf81e2/i_wake_up_every_day_angry/

[true talon]

F's that gonna be me

[minor whale]

No shot it's 1/3k
I'd say maybe 1/1k for boots
Most people I know have gotten either a couple drops within 1k or boots, 1/3k just isn't real

[true talon]

Rate is bad when the 1 star logout and complain isnt working 🙁

need a new strategy

[hard axle]

Yeah cuz I know he 2-3t melees you at higher delves

which is why I was thinking maybe it fucked up the cycle

[hard axle]

Probably 1/1k for boots and that would make sense

Because 560k clears for 8/8+ means 560 boots just from those

I believe it’s also like 1.4m for 6 and 7 is 700k

So in total about 2.8k boots

[minor whale]

Yeah then add on all the waves before that, you get around the rate we're seeing for boots in the market

1/1k per unique even might make sense if you get 2 extra easy wave rolls on it

On cloth

[hard axle]

5.3m for 4/5 also means another 5300 boots if we assume there’s 0 drop scaling

Yeah that makes sense ngl

cuz if it was 1/3k, it would be 1/3 that amount

The boots would be 800m still

[lone remnant]

1-1k per wave?

or per 8 attempt

1-1k sounds reasonable

So you should see boots every 200 8 resets

[brisk belfry]

Hey, is there any way to get dev feedback on something? Usually I tweeted Ash on twitter, but I don't think he does that anymore

[small anvil]

Ash sometimes answers in this channel or #old-school . He's the only mod you're allowed to @ without them being present at the time

[brisk belfry]

What is his @ even?

I wanted to see about the possibility of getting tortured gorillas to be aggressive again.

[small anvil]

"Jagex ash" tho I don't think that's gonna necessarily be something he addresses

[brisk belfry]

Dang, I got to do tortured gorillas for all of my zenytes and my groupmate wanted me to reach out and see if it was something they would consider reverting

[true talon]

craft goading pots is the only way

[brisk belfry]

Yeah, I know that's an option now, just kinda feels bad that it now requires that when it didn't before

[small anvil]

Is this some ultra afk or smth

These are the ones that don't pray right

[brisk belfry]

Yeah. I camped there for a long time with full guthans as my afk for a while. Got a ballista and all my zenytes.

[small anvil]

10 x the rate 💀

[brisk belfry]

Lolol. Rate doesn't really matter that much when you get combat xp and aren't looking at the screen for most of it

[small anvil]

Yeah I just was wondering how much worse the rate was

Turns out a lot

[brisk belfry]

Yeah, lol. My groupmate is running out of afk activites he can do and wants to do the gorillas like I did, but we aren't exactly rolling in goad potions.

[vestal cosmos]

Maybe petition that if you have at least 3 bananas in your inventory they are aggressive again

[brisk belfry]

That’s hilarious, but not really sure how to get anyone to acknowledge it in the first place lol.

[lone remnant]

this is bs

i got a second eye, and it doesnt get passive charged during doom

sadge

[small anvil]

that would make for a funny money maker

carry 20 eyes into the delve to charge it

[hard axle]

so it turns out for the orb special

u really don't want him in teh corner

took me 65 deep delvers to realize how much it fucks u

never park him in the extreme corner if u can help it

[true talon]

yea the orb pillars spawn around him, also if you hit it with scorching bow the orb spawns instantly, while tbow has a long delay.

[hard axle]

u can shorten the distance

massive

which increase volly earth spawns

[true talon]

Almost 1200 kc, the mental is cracking

[hard axle]

your bloodline is weakening

then again, u did spoon something like 90% of ur grinds

[lone remnant]

mental been broken since 3rd pet

[hard axle]

sell me one of the demonic lobsters

please

[lone remnant]

500m or boots

[hard axle]

deal

[lone remnant]

🤝

[true talon]

Boss i just taxing and no exictement, its boring as hell and high focus.

[hard axle]

so what im hearing is that I get lobster + boots

in same kc

[hasty shard]

blud i realised this the first time i did it

[hard axle]

[hasty shard]

'oh theres like no rocks to break'

[true talon]

Its just play till i break my autistic focus for 1 tick and instantly die XD

[lone remnant]

[sacred skiff]

What do you mean scobow causes orb to spawn instantly?

[true talon]

when you shoot the 2nd pillar with scobow it spawns faster than when you do it with tbow

[hasty shard]

huhh

[lone remnant]

usually I think tassili is talking shit

but i did hit it with scobow and it did feel faster

maybe 1-2 ticks

tassili needs an apology form for when hes proven right

i have my own apology form u can use it as a template

[true talon]

i dont need that

[lone remnant]

everyone needs a good apology form brother

[obsidian venture]

Needs a lot of things

95% of the time when he talks, you can safely ignore it as nonsense

Which is quite sad :/

[livid harness]

So "the rising sun" music track has the wrong unlock hint. it says its unlocked through the heart of darkness quest when its unlocked during the final dawn

[timid axle]

Could the new upcoming render engine affect 117 HD plugin? Out of curiosity

[ember token]

no

it won't affect runelite without significant work on runelite's part

runelite is written in java, the official client is written is not

[timid axle]

Wait so why do they even care about the render engine in the first place, if vast majority of people just use RL anyway?

[ember token]

the official client is also the mobile client

also, imagine a scenario where runelite decides to just stop updating, or shuts down entirely, and consider how many people would just stop playing without their plugins

jagex can't be reliant on third party clients

[timid axle]

Well I imagine it would make sense for Jagex to buy the copyrights for RL and continue development on their own somehow (not saying this is an easy thing to do, but in such scenario I don’t see how otherwise RL can be replaced very easily)

[ember token]

sure but it's more ideal to just make their own client good

[timid axle]

This makes sense but honestly, ever since I switched from the official client to RL I cannot play the mobile version anymore. Saying the plugins are a QOL addition is an overwhelming underestimation, they quite literally change the entire gameplay experience.

[timid axle]

And have the entire community-based developers rewrite all plugins to work with Jagex’s client? Yeah, good luck with that. The LEAST likely outcome

[chrome lantern]

The plan is for Jagex to integrate third-party plugin support to the main client

Long-long term, we might even get rid of RuneLite

But we already have Jagex moving toward a Plugin API that would work on the official client and mobile

[timid axle]

Very long term, yes I agree. But ‘till then, months on months on months without such plugins will negatively impact the playerbase

[chrome lantern]

Nobody said anything about axing rl today

Just if it stopped being supported or the Java client had issues etc.

[ember token]

they're actively working with plugin developers

[timid axle]

Yes but there is no incentive for community developers to rewrite their plugins to work with Jagex’s client either

At least not these days, anyway

[timid axle]

Ohh okay well this is new to me

Did Adam or Jordan ever mentioned anything about dropping support for RL? I mean is there any “background” for concerns about it happening?

Or is it just being on the safe side

[ember token]

the latter, at the moment there's no reason to believe the RL devs will stop working on it

but shit can happen + this is the kind of thing you don't want to wait til there's actual concerns to start working on

[stiff thorn]

I have finished making 40 accounts of variety of levels to lock down 10 - 15 worlds from bots being able to hunt black chins until the price goes back. I have quitted my dayjob to be able to do this 24/7 and i will police the bots since jagex is unable to do so.

[shadow wave]

I really do get the feeling that the new owners are deeply concerned how many people say in feedback forms that without a third party tool that Jagex have no ownership of they would not play the game, so there definitely does feel like the devs are getting a lot of resources to tackle brining the official client up to spec

[true talon]

jagex basically owns runelite

[minor whale]

They want a reliable, controlled, feature-parity client that they can fully monitor and prevent forking of. Relying on random people to make your game playable isn't a good idea, even if they're doing it for free. If Adam were to stop maintaining Runelite, Jagex would be shit out of luck for a bit while scrambling to get their client in a similar place.

So by doing the work now, it's preventing any sort of doomsday scenario where Runelite suddenly goes down and people when forced to play on vanilla just decide to quit instead

[true talon]

think if this ever happened, they would fork out the money to buy runelite an own it fully and then close it off and only allow plugin developers to submit code to be approved.

[ember token]

i don't know what makes people that just buying the work of fans is easier or better, or companies/devs wouldn't just prefer to make their own thing/do it themself

reminds me of minecraft "back in the day", people wanting optifine to be bought by mojang lol

[true talon]

really purchasing a project to have control of it and then develop on it, is way better than starting from scratch.

[vestal jetty]

I am sure runelite devs get paid from jagex some sort of agreement.

[minor whale]

They've said explicitly several times they don't

[austere mulch]

Rl is funded exclusively by donations

[marsh sand]

Basically useless discussion, RL is running on java so as soon as the most used plugins are in the official client which runs way smoother, there is no reason not to switch

[bronze kernel]

Expecting Runelite to finally be laid to rest within the next 3 or so years.

[marsh sand]

Biggest BS lol, imagine how much easier it would be to have an official API you can talk to, which would make things a lot easier for devs (if jagex does it right, that is)

[plain tusk]

any news on the HD update?

[austere mulch]

If it were the case that development on RL was faster, in terms of getting the plugins live, then that would be enough reason

Nobody wants to use outdated plugins or wait a couple weeks for helpful new plugins if they can help it

Hopefully that’s not the case tho

Don’t think it would be

[marsh sand]

RL exists for only one reason, that's the fact the original client is / was shit and doesn't run well.

Technically after any update any plugin could break and / or would require changes because things change. That wouldn't be the case if u work against an official API directly and would make working with it a lot easier for any dev.

RL did (and still does) a lot of magic to make it happen, same case for plugin developers. Heck, a lot of limits would be gone if jagex actually provided more info straight out of their plugin API.

Simple example, we cant even get the pet drop [or some other drops] to trigger an discord loot logger, only way we detect that rn is by processing every chat message for certain strings.

[quiet plank]

The beta for the new renderer is out right now but the actual HD part isn't public yet

It's supposed to come out around the same time as sailing though so it should be released in the next few months

[austere mulch]

Yeah those are great points and pros in favor of official client API. More specifically, I was meaning that, assuming RL is still maintained after the API release, if it is a faster process to develop and push new plugins or updates (e.g, new functionality - not necessarily fixing something that broke on an update) to existing plugins is faster on RL, like if the official client process had a drawn out approval process, then that would still be enough reason for people to want to use RL. Albeit a much smaller number

I don’t think that would be the case fwiw, but its not completely out of the realm of being possible

[sacred oracle]

that's my biggest concern about jagex official plugin hub as well

the speed of development

if we can maintain the current velocity of making plugins, including the review and approval process, that we currently have in runelite, i'm all on board for the official client

but i have concerns it will be as slow and buggy as jagex releases are compared to runelite

i hope to be pleasantly surprised and to switch over to the official client pretty soon after plugin hub is live and all the plugins i use have been ported to official client.

[tacit wharf]

do believe they've said that once the official client is finished, they will be moving on from allowing the legacy clients from being used (big source of bots atm)

[sacred oracle]

by legacy clients do you mean runelite? because i feel like i would have heard they were officially forbidding runelite after official client is finished

so far, people are just speculating it will be

[tacit wharf]

java ran clients as a whole

[sacred oracle]

i've never seen confirmation

[tacit wharf]

wanna say it was runefest?

[ember token]

i dont think theyve said that, not about java clients as a whole

[tacit wharf]

or the last summer summit

[ember token]

the legacy java client specifically yes though

[sacred oracle]

i haven't the slightest doubt that they definitely want to get rid of every other client, including runelite, once plugin hub and hd mode are up and running

just haven't seen them confirm it

[hard axle]

Jagex will never keep up with the community in terms of plugin development

[tacit wharf]

their own legacy client*, not rl my b

[hard axle]

It’s not possible when they have largely bureaucratic processes in place compared to RL volunteers

[tacit wharf]

they're already ironing out those process now, sinceu have to get approval for your plugin to go into the rl plugin hub by jagex

[hard axle]

It’s relatively fast

Compared to how Jagex implements client changes

[marsh sand]

Ye and I doubt the review would need a lot of time, since they provide the API and ur already working within the limits they are providing. I guess most time would be in the functional review. Think getting the plugin within the client for the first time would take the longest time, which is the same @ RL rn

[meager flame]

tbf there is but people dont like to think about it

its actually pretty much guaranteed

and it wont be their choice it will be jagex

you've gotta think that in the future

when jagex has their client and api and plugin hub setup

they're going to have to assess if they're going to continue to support the client that runelite uses

and theres no way they will

right now they will becuase there is an obvious benefit around how many players use runelite and how important that is

as soon as they're done with that situation they're not going to have that client available for much longer

[frail nebula]

They have actually talked about part of the reason for why they want to improve their base client

And that's that from a purely business standpoint

Having all of your players entirely reliant on a 3rd party client whose development and maintenenance you have no control over is a massive liability

The official client is their insurance policy

[meager flame]

i mean ultimately

jagex does maintain both that's why one of them will go when they have like

85% parity

theres no reason they would make sure the version of the game that runelite runs off of exists/works/fight exploits and bots on it

and also maintain their official client at the same time

they're stuck doing that right now because they're pretty much forced to

thats also why unlike jagex

almost no game you can think of will actually allow things like runelite to exist

offering an api and the ability to make things that run on the default client is one thing but lol

almost nobody would let you get away with your own client it just creates a lot of work and risks

[hard axle]

Yep, I don't think a single reasonable person has said 3pc aren't a massive liability, but at the same time, it's a runaway train that has taken off.

If you don't offer a viable replacement, you will lose a LOT of the playerbase that doesn't want to have to deal with a lot of the inconveniences that RL has solved.

First thing that Jagex would need to solve is having a side bar/side panel to their client.

Having to open in-game Settings mid-combat to change options is ass.

[minor whale]

Yep
Getting vanilla to be feature parity with current Runelite has gotta be a big goal that's super important

[hard axle]

A big reason why I want the side-bar/side-panel functionality for plugins is because Custom Menu Swaps.

CMS + Better NPC Highlight are too important and you need to be able to pre-load tiles without being at the boss.

[minor whale]

Yuppp
Current menu swapper on vanilla is really not good lmao

[frail bough]

it covers like 95% of users, its pretty good imo

can it be better? definitely
is it bad objectively? definitely not

[minor whale]

There's absolutely some things about it that are just bad

Mainly setting left click walk under options just makes that the default for every NPC, which means it's useless for that.

[hard axle]

Yeah, not every monster you'd want to set left click walk under.

A bunch of monsters I prioritize attack as my shift click as well, rather than shift click walk under.

I assume there's no way to set prioritization of targets, so something like Starlight will still rag you when you do Zily.

[vale hornet]

The mobile menu swapper sucks so much 🙁

[chrome lantern]

The fact alone that you can't swap things to walk-here without breaking everything

lmao

[vale hornet]

Exactly my issue, I just wanna not click certain entities on mobile

[pearl tangle]

Has it been acknowledged that the delve boss can hit you with 2 orbs on the same tick. like is that intended

Cause you literally can’t do anything about that if they’re different styles

[vale hornet]

Having inventory setups/tags is a must for offical client too imo

[chrome lantern]

Doesn't that only happen if you already messed up and got meleed though

[pearl tangle]

Ohh that might be it

[chrome lantern]

Think of it like Jad in inferno/Jad challenges meleeing you

It just screws up the attack cycle

[frail bough]

this isn't necessarily true, if you you pre-emptively switch to melee weapon for punish and are able to 1t it, it messes up attack cycle as well

or if you are using halberd to do melee method

going to be really annoying if they make a melee ca and dont fix that

[chrome lantern]

Now that delve has been out, I would like to ask though

They specifically said Diabolical Aegis would be useful there when they proposed it

Oh wait nvm ignore my question

It’s because it was multihit

[true talon]

I feel the boss probably had another design model to be melee focused.

There was no way that double hit demonbane wep woulda been good in current design

[chrome lantern]

I mean it would be very good for anyone not scything

High damage on punish but still able to zcb

(I don't have a scythe and currently bring macu for melee punish)

[true talon]

nox hally is also good 16 less max than scythe for punish with 1 tile range and also poisons

[chrome lantern]

I don't have that either

[true talon]

Ya but i mean the punish mechanic being the only thing youd use it for would be awful

[chrome lantern]

On the backlog until after imbued heart

[true talon]

feels like the boss should be melee able

[chrome lantern]

Some people are trying to with some success

[true talon]

i mean it is possible, but is it worth it lol

Wondering if im hit 2k with 0 uniques.

High focus, high punishment, no reward, drastically worst servers since the wow player migration. Mage protect is highlighted, yet the server didnt put it on lol.

[hasty shard]

i have had multiple clicks where fuck all happened

granted i think a lot of it is just like tick issue where im clicking tooo fast

[true talon]

ya this content is insane with reaction and clicking an the servers is not having it

[sacred skiff]

Is nox better than maracas? I use chally rn because I don’t have ZCB so not a lot of use for spec besides the occasioanl scobow spec

[true talon]

1300-1500 people on every east cost world

[sacred skiff]

But might be good to have a second punish wrp

[true talon]

nox is a 29 punish with no gear, macracas are a 34 i think?

but it poisons and range helps

Its 11 pm on a sunday.....

[sacred skiff]

Yeah the server pops are insane these days

[tacit wharf]

waiting for the quarterly bot ban wave

[true talon]

Dont think its bots

if there was a big migration from wow it makes sense

wow has millions of players

adding 20k from wow is a drop in the bucket

[tacit wharf]

welp, u got the edge furnace bots, u have the edge abyss bots, u have the zeah rc bots, right there alone is close to 50/60 per server

this doesnt add in the typical bossing bots or the air orb bots, or the wildy bots

funny thing u also have 2 fossil island wyvern bots per world it seems as well

[minor whale]

No way bots are responsible for anywhere close to the boom we're seeing lol

[tacit wharf]

not saying they are the only source

[true talon]

I just chckeced 4 worlds and edge furance had 3 people each

which looked like ironmen lol

[tacit wharf]

maybe they did nuke those the last few days

[true talon]

uk worlds are pretty empty

like 400-500 people each

[tacit wharf]

not saying their isnt a boom of players, just lets not forget about the resent uptick in the amount of bots seen as well

[true talon]

even 2200 east world has over 1k people

11pm on a sunday with this many people is wild, im going to bed soon due to work but dang lol.

[last onyx]

My friend is complaining that they updated GOTR to take forever to get inside if you leave. Like it makes you wait. Is this true? I couldn’t find anything in the update notes

[true talon]

Maybe on a full world?

[chrome lantern]

I think that's legit just a plugin

Or wait

That might just be the 30 sec buffer at the end of a round

Or being full

[icy relic]

nox is a lot more user friendly because it prevents you from getting meleed

sacrifice a little bit of damage for poison + ability to whack melee grubs from range

[old tinsel]

Nox one hits grubs?

Thought nox was for punish and you still brought macas or dark light for grubs

[hard axle]

You can, but it’s just 1t more and 1 more range. You’re better using it for melee punish

Which can hit really fucking hard + the 29 bonus damage

I’ve chunked it from like 7-8%

[old tinsel]

You bother bringing chally for a spec punish? Or do you have zcb

[fossil epoch]

I hear this is supposed to be about 50m, how do i sell them?

https://i.imgur.com/AUm7zYq.png

[last onyx]

that's the neat part

you don't

[fossil epoch]

Thats fine, high alch is supposed to be 60% of the value of the item, surely jagex will allow us to alch them for 4800 coins each then

[hard axle]

Nhally

Zcb spec

[charred acorn]

When do we get a discard button for both doom loot and cox loot, especially after the cox rework

[tiny epoch]

why do you want a discard button for doom loot

[charred acorn]

For the same reason why their is a discard button on the tob chest

[tiny epoch]

why is there

[frail bough]

if you click "claim" and then click "leave" without sending it to inventory or bank, it will discard the loot

[tiny epoch]

deleting elite clues or

[charred acorn]

Oo shit guess i didn't think of that

[tiny epoch]

ive pressed discard tob loot to delete elite clues but thats it

[true talon]

There is for doom you keep descending till you die

[plush gull]

getting 6 hour logged also works

[plush gull]

they should add logout pausing to colo and doom so i dont have to bring a second divine to colo accommodate my lack of bladder control

tho its kinda nice to sip whenever u get frailty anyway and inv space isnt an issue at colo

but logout pausing would also be great for doing colo on early irons

[tacit wharf]

yr in doom for maybe 20-30 mins and your only in colo for maybe an hour to hour and a half, see no reason for it

and there are points in time that you can go quickly to the bathroom in both of these after waves end

[ember token]

yeah the pausing in both of those things is between waves

[ember token]

a slow beginner colo run is like 40 minutes so way less than an hour or 90 minutes

[chrome lantern]

Has anyone ever heard of these mythical low-level irons doing colo

It's like saying we should be concerned about low-level irons doing inferno because you can do it at 50 combat if you play perfectly

[plush gull]

i just started a gim and its great for gold ore etc for training smithing

[plush gull]

u can do inferno at 29 combat if u play perfectly

[chrome lantern]

Oh neat they blocked me but choose to respond anyway

[tacit wharf]

ya was just being conservative with time

[hard axle]

so true - making up bullshit examples cuz “haha theoretically possible” instead of practical examples

the average infernal cape is probably 115+ combats, so why even entertain bs like 29 combats

[plush gull]

it takes about 6 hours if u go straight to colo 3 hours into an iron after doing waterfall quest, buying an addy scim at fortis blacksmith, and doing big bones at wildy altar

tho ive never seen a 50+ minute colo besides hemeonc's 30 something clear which only took so long because he was dwh whacking as much as possible to reduce xp gains

[tacit wharf]

ren come on now

be realilistic

[chrome lantern]

They never tried that before why start now

[minor whale]

Don't worry they're literally never going to stop saying the dumb "Colo is low level content, irons do it as soon as they get off tutorial island lol" shit

Just don't call them out as bait or trolling or you'll get warned, just a heads up

[chrome lantern]

It's ok Delve is the new low-level content surely

[plush gull]

nah that requires too many quests

[hard axle]

So what you’re saying is I can bait and imply 99% of this discord of noobs without penalty

[plush gull]

i mean its really not bad to do an iron with like 65 melee stats & piety cuz u can use blighted restores with no risk

[hard axle]

The average iron will barely get a fire cape, let alone a quiver or infernal

[plush gull]

well lots of people make gims after they have a main

last hcim i heard about did infernal cape 2 weeks after creation

[chrome lantern]

Ah yes

The most recent HCIM that was ever created

Definitely

No other HCIM happened in that time that did anything different

[hard axle]

And a lot of mains also barely get a fire cape.

I could get an infernal cape in a week after creation, but I’m not stupid to use that as an example for any argument

[plush gull]

but inferno is fun, u should say that more often to encourage people to try inferno!

[hard axle]

“Hey guys, we should buff all early game content because they’re all below inferno and inferno was completed in 2 weeks” is the same disingenuous logic you’ve been using

[plush gull]

i dont really understand what ur saying tbh, i remember what i mentioned originally is just timers for colo & delve and then i was just replying to ppl

but its cool that u can get an infernal cape 1 week after making an iron that shits based

[small anvil]

Some people are just extremely unable to imagine other people's situations as anything different than themselves

Sad thing is that Ren most likely genuinely believes a bunch of the things they say... And thinks people are crazy for pointing out that their experience and preferences do not match what the average player actually is

[obsidian venture]

Oh…

Thought bait isn’t good in this server

Conflicting info

[plush gull]

ye my suggestions for pride xmas event got taken down for being bait and theyre really hard to find now, seems like they get automatically hidden or something even tho the mods linked me to it #1392659805507944539 message

[tacit wharf]

why yes, discord threads close after x amount of time, and then they get delisted after 30ish days

its why they allow u to bump them once a week

[plush gull]

well it happened like within an hour of locking in this case, i could only access with direct links

[tacit wharf]

cuz they manuelly closed and locked it

which says at the top of the thread

[plush gull]

hopefully jmods can still see it for longer

[tacit wharf]

well considering i can see it...

[frail bough]

they actually specifically removed permissions from all jmods for the suggestion threads, surely

[vivid ruin]

No way, your baited suggestion was locked? Im shocked, i tell you

[shy sentinel]

I'm happy with Jagex Updates Keeping 1 hr Clue timers + Clue Boxes, Mokha, Totems, and Moon Helm being added to clog... Major W's Jagex ...makes sense record player #s

[hard axle]

Waiting for Blorva, Radiant, BH Kits to be added to clog

heck, even Rancour (s)

[shy sentinel]

that'd be awesome

[tacit wharf]

that one less as you already pretty much have it with greenlogging

and wouldnt been too keen on adding bh rewards to clogs

[hard axle]

survive the venom trap

[ember token]

good way to get people who don't want to do BH and will look for ways to speed it up to do it

plus you can get banned from BH

[hard axle]

good good

one less dogwater clogger in circulation

[round lintel]

Dt2 vestiges are the worst system they ever made

[tacit wharf]

pretty straight forward

u either get it or u dont

[round lintel]

They should make it so when you hit total drop rate and you are still 0/3 next roll is double

So dumb you have to hit roll 3 times xd

[ember token]

they should add dry protection for the dry protection

[wispy current]

Mathematically ur less likely to go dry then if it was actually 1/1080 or whatever

[round lintel]

Is not really a dry protection if you are rolling in the same table than other items where ingots are the far common yet useless drop

[ember token]

i guess they'd rather go dry on a 1/1088 drop rather than 3 1/362 drops

[ember token]

the dry protection is instead of having to roll a much rarer drop once, you just need to roll a more common drop 3 times

[ionic tartan]

Math is hard, gratification is instant.

[tacit wharf]

ya go 8x dry at a 1/1k drop instead

[ember token]

ingots being dumb doesn't change how the vestige dry protection works

unrelated, the official world map on the website was updated today

[frail bough]

Looking good

[round lintel]

I hope they never add a system like dt2 again, but also idk whats going on lately with the dogwater loot on every boss

[tacit wharf]

?

not every boss needs to drop mils an hr

[ember token]

i agree, DOWN with dry protection

[frail bough]

honestly they should just stop revealing weird dr mechanics

[ember token]

if you go dry, you go dry

[round lintel]

Im not saying it has to be insane common loot but what about the 26 coal at doom? Or 30 chaos runes or 700 earth runes on level 7?

[tacit wharf]

what about it

its trash loot, every boss needs some trash loot mixed in

[round lintel]

Yeah but almost everything but splinters are trash loot. And couple of alchables here and there

[tacit wharf]

and thats ok

[round lintel]

🤣

[tacit wharf]

u have 2 bis uniques

a good mage wep with ayayak

[ember token]

what about the 470m boots at doom? or the 100m eye of ayak? or the 160m confliction gauntlets?

[round lintel]

What about when they wont be 470m?

[frail bough]

what about when thats how the game works

[round lintel]

When they settle to possibly 200..

[tacit wharf]

they'll still be atleast 100m

[ember token]

if they settle to 200m, and say it takes 100 hours to go on drop rate, that's still 2m an hour simply from the boots alone

[tacit wharf]

maths hard though data

[ionic tartan]

Is your problem with dt2 drop system the 3x rolls, or the junk loot+uniques style?

[tacit wharf]

problem is people want instant gratification

[ember token]

the problem is that they don't like getting ingot drops and think it couldve been a vestige roll

[small anvil]

I'm fine with nox hally system

[tacit wharf]

3 part systme is great

[pastel skiff]

Ngl i fancy the spirit seed drops and ranarr seed drops from doom, makes it nearly selfsustainable

[sacred skiff]

3 part system - good
invisible 3 part system - not good

[small anvil]

Like vestiges are basically the same but it was hidden

Which was bad

[frail bough]

[small anvil]

And if you double death on vestige drop you lose progress

[ionic tartan]

100%, dt2 could have easily been the nox hally/abyssal bludgeon/hydra ring system instead of being hidden.

[tacit wharf]

people just have a hard time wrapping their head around the no drops for the first 2 and getting at 3rd

which is what vestage is

[small anvil]

Visible is better than invisible

I would say

[tacit wharf]

agreed

[small anvil]

But it's not like a tremendous amount worse

[tacit wharf]

i wish it was cabbages instead of gold rings

[small anvil]

Knowing you're close can change your behavior

[frail bough]

i say it only even matters because you know it exists, otherwise it would just be the same as most other drops in the game

[sacred skiff]

I think it's fine now that you get the gold rings

[small anvil]

And I can appreciate them not wanting to make even more ids for things

Ya gold rings is fine

Now the only downside is forgetting your progress

And double death on the actual drop

[tacit wharf]

skill issue

[ionic tartan]

Reminds me of that CSGO dev, where people complained about lag, and he just lowered the ping number on the display and people loved the updated.

Edit: source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yDM9XRK2lU&t=490s

[round lintel]

There had been only 2 times ive had unfortunate double deaths 2017 I died at zulrah and lost pet at 65kc (6100 kc later no pet again) and back when zammy spears where 10m I died on my very first one.

[dark acorn]

Really wish we had seed vault in the bank

[small anvil]

It's at the farming guild

It's fine where it is mostly

[dark acorn]

no sir

[round lintel]

Yeah I mostly bank in Farm guild so I deposit my seeds there

Misc sends the seeds that are not in my bank into seed vault

[dark acorn]

general pvm drops though, you have to go to farming guild to drop off ofr example

[round lintel]

I keep the seeds and saplings of my daily use

[small anvil]

Just keep the valuable ones in the bank and clean out bank spaces when you need them

[tacit wharf]

you know what, id only agree to add something like that, IF, it was a level 90+ lunar spell and it cost like 5 souls 10 nats and 5 bloods and you could only withdraw

[round lintel]

If any farming change would be done id rather improve how often your herb patch die having the every single one that can be disease free available. Imagine 3 Ranarr patches died on me at 99 herb

Farming*

[dark acorn]

i just feel like it'd be nice to have items centralized for conveinence for most things. one place to get my stuff to go play.

[narrow folio]

Grandmaster FT2 tool reward adds another life to the herb for a minimum of 7 yield with ultra 💯

[tacit wharf]

already convenient

u have 3 teleports to the farming guild

4 if u including fairy ring close by

[dark acorn]

yeah lemme go to bank, grab staff and cape, then cir, then grab my seeds everytime i wanna drop off seeds

[tacit wharf]

act as though u have to do it multiple times a day

do it while u do yr farm run

[narrow folio]

Oops meant FT3

[dark acorn]

or put it in bank like pot storage and have one place, then you can focus on the game instead of running around back and forth without gameplay

[round lintel]

I mean I wouldnt vote no if it were polled but not something I would ask proactively

[tacit wharf]

just because it could be in the game doesnt mean it should be, same reason i hated the 1hr clue timer

[round lintel]

My issue is mostly how things that you cant protect die on you at 99 Farming

[dark acorn]

but why.

[tacit wharf]

or the "let people play the game how they want to"

[dark acorn]

but why

lol

[tacit wharf]

it just doesnt need to be

[dark acorn]

Oh ok

[round lintel]

Honestly would like to have menu entry swapper on potion storage

The manually click 1, 5, 10 and all cant be changed without having to change your set up

[tacit wharf]

i havent activated my potion storage

[round lintel]

I have it on my iron cuz bank space is really expensive

on my main I did buy every single space available so I never use all my bank

[tacit wharf]

not really for the first few

[small anvil]

Every bank space?? Isn't that like 2 bil

[tacit wharf]

close to it

[round lintel]

No

Is like 900M

I had a 50b bank

so...

[small anvil]

Jeeze

You're the first person I've heard of who actually bought it is all

And if the last is 900m, the total is around 1.8

[round lintel]

Total was around 900m

[small anvil]

Ah

[ember token]

888m i believe

[round lintel]

yeah I just found it on wiki

I remember last ones I needed to buy where the 200m and 500m

I did last year

Since I used to do clues often before starting my iron

I think the most expensive 99 ive gotten was smithing costing me 1.8b

Doing Crystal Bodies to 98

[small anvil]

Did you use crystal?

Jeeeeeeze

[round lintel]

98-99 I did crystal keys

[tacit wharf]

99 smithing was free

[round lintel]

for col logs

[small anvil]

Now that's eff you money haha

[round lintel]

I have d claws but im using arkan blade at Vard

and they arent bad at all

specially for a quest item

My max hit is 70 + 10 burn damage

I like it

[tawny tide]

any word on when summer sweep up 2 update will be live?

Next week?

[ember token]

august

[tawny tide]

https://tenor.com/view/checking-watch-chris-brander-ryan-reynolds-just-friends-would-you-look-at-the-time-gif-12693907534173761892

[true talon]

Better be some big doom changes this week

Place is a ghost town now lol

[hard axle]

Must be on wrong world cuz 474 is like 10 people

[true talon]

10 people aint a lot 🙁

[round hull]

Hey guys!!!!!

Looking for 10 people to start a clan with!

[hard axle]

For one singular world chatting at a non-bank location, it is

[true talon]

Waiting for them to turn on the drops

[round lintel]

Why cant I post screenies here?

[hard axle]

but without the leaf

be steel rank basically

[round lintel]

I dont think Ive gained any ranks

ive typed alot here recently

but looks like it doesnt give any contribution

[tacit wharf]

there is a cooldown between posts (only counts 1 post per x minutes)

so u cant spam yr way higher

[fair comet]

Hi, wrong channel. Try #1019986930517151794

[round lintel]

Do you guys think we will have any upgrades to anguish and Suffering any time soon? just this year we've had Rancor and now Confliction Gauntlet

[red scroll]

anguish will be soon enough i think yes

[round lintel]

Where do you think they'll put it?

[tacit wharf]

hard to tell

[red scroll]

random new boss xd

[tacit wharf]

new boss or more likely raids 4

[true talon]

anguish will 100% be next, dunno about suffering. it hasnt been relevent for anything.

[round lintel]

Maybe a double defense roll when using the ring or a 1/25 chance to have a double defense roll when wearing it

[true talon]

Problem is defense means nothing in this game outside of pking

Always better to do more damage

[round lintel]

yeah I personally know

but Vard does around 200 damage on perfect kills thru pray on full oathplate on me hahaha is soooo sad the damage vard does

sometimes

Blood fury on an iron is a pain so I have decided to almost never use it outside cox

and maybe tob

[austere mulch]

Not worth using in tob anyways. Best case scenario, in a trio, it saves you roughly 1 brew on verz and on an iron, you’d be taking it as a switch anyways

Just use the invent slot for a brew

[round lintel]

is just that on my main i spammed it for almost everything

[austere mulch]

Just wasted money then Unfort but such is the life of a main

[round lintel]

I realized now that I am forced to play better on my iron

[true talon]

ya its been phased out mostly, i used to bring it to colo but rancour is better and i can just bring a brew instead.

and it was good at nex/toa but its been made worthless.

rancour power creeped it out, which is good. bloodfury was stupid being bis anyways.

[round lintel]

dont get me wrong I like it at Colo thats why I only bring 3 brews despite not having sgs on iron

[last onyx]

It’s nice for those c-hally specs at delve for some big heals here and there 🤙🏻

[round lintel]

well, 575kc first gold ring at vard

[minor whale]

I could see suffering being something you could add on to a utility ring

And that be the only upgrade aspect

The stats even if they did 2x what they did now

Just wouldn't really be useful

[round lintel]

I mean not every upgrade has to be 100% useful

For example moons

you want defence at early defence lvl

[small anvil]

Let it be used as an upgrade to add defense to inq

[round lintel]

Yeah I mean ultor for example is meta

but Bellator feels nice to use

I used to camp suffering everywhere until I care for dps and faster kills

shorter but more consistent trips

[small anvil]

Is it even a significant amount of def these days

[round lintel]

I mean +20 defense + recoil is not bad

Could be upgraded or sidegraded

maybe double recoil and +10 more defence after imbued

Could have minor offense stats like brimstone ring

Like brimstone ring is deadcontent

[tough frost]

is there any jagex mods avaliable right now? its kind of urget account related..

[round lintel]

No

is midnight there

besides, I dont think any account related things are discussed here

but thru player support

[tough frost]

would they help assist you if your account is needing assistance when they are avaliable?

yeah like private message would they?

[round lintel]

No

You have to open a player support ticket

on the website

[tough frost]

damn

[round lintel]

What happened to your acct?

[tough frost]

lost access to the curremt email and never changed it to my current one.

[round lintel]

is it a legacy login or jagex launcher?

[tough frost]

jagex

[round lintel]

https://support.runescape.com/hc/en-gb/articles/34154722503825-Lost-access-or-forgotten-email-address-Jagex-Account

all in all they say you need to contact your email provider to access

if not then, you are doomed

specially with jagex launcher

there is no recovery system

[tough frost]

i sent a email to jagex

thank you sir

[round lintel]

Good thing

[round lintel]

@true talon

This was my Yama

more than 500kc solo

[true talon]

Congratz, my log looks like that without any of the items XD

[small anvil]

550 of this solo 💀

does the delve still eat arrows

[tiny epoch]

it was never bugged, u just use a lot of arrows on this boss

1ticking worm use arrows a lot faster than 5 ticking tbow

[narrow folio]

Maybe because there hasnt been a boss you range almost the whole time (recently)

[small anvil]

that was confirmed somewhere? huh

people were so sure it was lol

[narrow folio]

I checked both on grubs and boss and arrow loss is normal

[tiny epoch]

theres basically no content before mokha that u mainhand a bow

yeah people were sure (they made it up & never checked)

[narrow folio]

People were saying this shit then i checked myself and didnt match up so I was like ???

At least in my specific setup

[true talon]

ive burned like 4k amy arrows in 1350 delvs

[tiny epoch]

yea kindof crazy i only use like 3 arrows per tob kc (you shoot tbow 15 times)

[true talon]

Really hate how this is a void camp tbow boss.....

all because they let it melee you for no real reason

[narrow folio]

Range deserved something better after all this time 🤷

[true talon]

Meanwhile magic

[tiny epoch]

shadow was good for yama contract farming

most important mega for cox & toa

bis on a bunch of random irrelevant bosses

theres just 1 trillion shadows in circulation

& ofc not used on delve boss so ppl selling for tbow

[hasty shard]

i also want to note scbow is 4t

so you use arrows faster than tbow

[round lintel]

tbow came from the non cm layout

hahaha

very first one

3+12 mostly on the others

[true talon]

5 arcanes unlucky

[round lintel]

Tob is my saddest log

This my iron

[hard axle]

I swear to god

there has to be a buff where if you claim more often, instead of suicide sending, ur rng goes up

especially 1-8

@lone remnant back me up right now

[lone remnant]

no can do sir got the boots last night the boss is dead to me 🫡

until ca's

[hard axle]

[lone remnant]

enjoying my retirement

but real talk i got the boots when i stopped dying and just started claiming whenever there wasnt a clear line on each corner of the boss for poison

[hard axle]

in order words, u stopped suicide sending

[lone remnant]

yes, copium. i think every item is flat 1/1k deadass

still got boots on wave 7

[tiny epoch]

id believe that 9+ is less unique chance than 8

[true talon]

Ya i dont suspect there to be much scaling

[hard axle]

of course you did lmao

dude

[tiny epoch]

need drop rates to be released

[true talon]

I bet pets eat unique rolls

[hard axle]

everyone gets it 4-7

muts got it 5 or something

[hard axle]

if it does, ur ass is burning in rng hell

[true talon]

few irons i know just sent 1-4 at like 3 min a pop and got all the uniques

[hard axle]

every iron that I know or money pvm

[true talon]

that shit is dumb

[hard axle]

has gotten more 2-7 then 8+

[tiny epoch]

scythe camp 1-4s would be fast asf

[hard axle]

and I know people who go 15+

[hasty shard]

vlad with 5:

[true talon]

i did 1-7 because its kinda fun and i can just use hard food

[hasty shard]

fkn rat

[small anvil]

isnt he at 6 now

[hard axle]

it might be because pet is just draining his money drops

[lone remnant]

you are smoking crack

[hard axle]

yes he is

[lone remnant]

1-7 is

[small anvil]

i said you would be eating fingers for each pet

before you get one

[true talon]

its better than 1-4

funny his caption was "dont let them gaslight you into going past 7"

[hard axle]

reason why i don't doubt this 1-7 is because there's only been 3 instances where increase difficulty was actually worth it to grind - CG, ToA, and Yama

and they tend to fail when it gets to endgame tier

[lone remnant]

i really really think its just flat

lol

[hard axle]

hmt not being better than tob

etc.

[hard axle]

but if it was flat, 8+ would be at least equal to 1-7

[true talon]

CM's worst than normal cox

[hard axle]

[lone remnant]

sample size issue imo

[true talon]

CG is only one with proper difficulty scaling to loot value

[hard axle]

it's over 300k clears, i dont think we can say that anymore 😭

300k 8, 300k 8+

[lone remnant]

well we will find out soon

[hard axle]

yep, 2 days

[true talon]

less than 1/3rd the clears go past 7 lol

[lone remnant]

if its flat ur filling out my apology form

but its probably not flat

but also probably pretty close to flat

[hard axle]

if it's flat, jagex is filling out an apology form

[hasty shard]

assuming the loot doesnt get worse i think the only balancing factor making 8+ worth is the travel time 😭

[true talon]

Lets not forget release Expert TOA

[lone remnant]

mod shit and mod butt gonna have to fill it out

[hasty shard]

cause unless ur draco who is spending 200k on a tele

[hard axle]

oh im cheaping the fuck out this time

[hasty shard]

[hard axle]

ates pendant

[true talon]

i actually need to go farm more tears

im down to like 80 from 400

Even 6 is considered pretty hard

400k people either die on wave 2 or leave after wave 1 XD

[lone remnant]

i think everything up to acid everywhere is pretty easy but i cant say that without getting called an elitist

[true talon]

good thing acid doesnt come with you to floor 6

[lone remnant]

and i dont even have zcb

[tacit wharf]

id love to know unique clears and not total completions

[true talon]

Going by Ge tracker, doesnt look like many uniques are in circulation

[lone remnant]

thats cause im hoarding a staff and 2 cloths in my bank

[small anvil]

slip me a cloth i'll use it to wipe down your car

[true talon]

have fun getting 10k tears and 2 zenytes to do anything with that cloth

[lone remnant]

i still need ballista and i have enough tears to fill a swimming pool

[tiny epoch]

very easy to get just buy from ge

[lone remnant]

its called leaving when i run out of prayer

[round lintel]

I did 99% of my runs with hard food and no brews

I dont know, as an iron I didnt want to stay pass the drops I needed

[chrome lantern]

I have 10k brews I'm fine burning a few

[round lintel]

I had lots of brews not 10k but I died to mistakes or prayers not activating on time

and not cuz of lack of food

[lament peak]

up to 3 boots, 1 staff, 0 gloves 😔 I wouldn't be surprised if the cloth was the rarest drop at doom

[icy relic]

That is so crazy that there are still only 400k 8 clears

I thought I was shit at this game but goddamn

[chrome lantern]

I got off my butt and finally did wave 8, had been doing 1-7 for a long while

Now my pb is 10, would probably need to switch up the inv to go much further

I am not mistakeless yet

When my dps doesn't let me skip orb on 8+ I usually take a slam or two trying to deal with boulders while setting up

[icy relic]

gamer

[chrome lantern]

This is me now, still rookie numbers compared to a lot of people I see

[dusky scroll]

I’m hoping theee CAs don’t absolutely fuck me lol

[round lintel]

I wish they stop adding CAs xd

Specially from ez to hard

[jovial sentinel]

Why? New bosses without them would be kinda silly

[round lintel]

they are the worst

[nocturne solstice]

simply dont do them if you dont like em

[round lintel]

Been doing that since Royal titans

[dark tulip]

Do we have any idea when the "Slayer Sweep Up" update might be dropping?

Thinking if I should wait with getting Bigger and Badder on my iron

[round lintel]

any time this month

but certaintly not this week

[dark tulip]

But it's still worth waiting with buying the upgrade?

[round lintel]

I mean, is not a huge difference in points

but depends on how you play

Like I wouldnt care buying it since its only a few points difference but if you care on them right now well, you can wait

[dark tulip]

I'm still early game on the ironman (70 combat and 44 slayer), so I've not got a massive amount of points yet

[round lintel]

at 44 slayer there are few things you want to buy first i guess

and bigger and badder is not priority since you wont get that many superiors

if non at all

Dont spend on skips yet

[nocturne solstice]

I dont think its really something to worry about. They mention a lot of refunding in the sweep up blog anyway.

[icy relic]

always want bigger and badder anyway

you can get superior cave crawlers

[round lintel]

yeah the refunds are on skips

not unlocks

At least I didnt read getting refunded points for my unlocks

[round lintel]

only time i killed those was when I was turael skipping for Araxxor

tbh I personally held slayer until 75cb for konar and then when I was 85 Nieve/steve until I was 100cb

very first unlocks I did was tzhaars

[icy relic]

yeh I think it's generally recognized that it's better to skip early slayer

but there is some incentive getting it early to access moons and arkan blade

the sweep up changes will make that a lot more viable

[dark tulip]

This was the idea that I was going for on my new acc. I wanted to subsidize D.Scimmy for the Arkan Blade, just for a different progression path

[craggy radish]

Seems like a bad idea skipping the xp rewards from mm going for a much harder quest with very poor/mid levels/gear

Curious to know the lowest CB acc that can delve rn

[quaint oar]

didnt rendi theorize the lowest cb that can do the heart of darkness is like 13-17? wonder if they can do the final dawn too

[round lintel]

Im using arkan blade at vard for spec and is good

I have dclaws

but im enjoying the change

[round lintel]

Bro, will there be any update that gives a decent amount of d arrows?

I hate that I can do 5 Colo runs and not getting any d arrows

Really hard to keep em up

[winged mantle]

there's a reason I don't use mine unless it's for ca's/ necessary things

currently rune arrows are the only self sustained higher arrow tier

[round lintel]

Amethyst too

[winged mantle]

screw mining amethyst lol

enough iron chores as is

[round lintel]

4-5 hrs afking watching shows and stuff gives me around 11-16k amethyst arrow tips

[winged mantle]

I'd rather do other things then resupply arrows

value time a bit more

[icy relic]

yeah arkan blade doesn't really replace d scim but it does offer a good spec + stab

[round lintel]

I used around 12k arrows at Doom

[winged mantle]

sounds about right

[true talon]

its not bad now, its like 1500 tips + an hour and very afk with the gloves, since the node doesnt deplete till you mine 3 rocks.

not using amy is pretty rough the gap is bigger between amy and rune vs amy an dragon. its like -6 str vs -5. however they really need to give us dragon arrow methods.... or make a new arrow .

Know whats worst than d arrows, getting dragon knives lol. its great those did not become meta at doom. i would rather go grind a zcb than hunt for d knifes

[winged mantle]

tbow hits pretty hard with rune as is 😉

[true talon]

ya but rune is -11 str which is pretty damn big gap lol

[sacred cove]

Bowfa might be better than t bow with rune arrows a lot of places

[winged mantle]

hitting 88's on olm with rune arrows is absurd

[winged mantle]

you'd think so but the dps calcs say otherwise. bar graardor and levi

[sacred cove]

Maybe not if you have full masori I suppose

[winged mantle]

ye

like i would love to be able to spam d arrows but it's just not viable

very much for making that tier more accessible

[austere mulch]

X

(Maxed Treads added in custom section for bowfa)

Granted. If you change this to have god hide top for tbow, then bowfa wins by less than 2%, but this is also comparing to max max with bowfa

But if you assume all other gear is equal, including boots and gloves, then tbow wins everywhere it currently does even with rune arrows

[modest coral]

this mans still using ancient dps checker 💀

[austere mulch]

Gearscape sucks and spreadsheet is easier to create custom items prior to their release compared to wiki calc and their branches - also easier to use on mobile 🤣 I do need to update the spreadsheet tho lol

[modest coral]

osrs wiki dps calc is the best

[austere mulch]

Wiki calc is great, even for mobile (Gearscape on mobile is disgusting lmao).

I still prefer spreadsheet tho bc you can more easily see what the compared setups have equipped + the dps in the same image. And it’s a lot easier to add custom items immediately, like delve rewards, instead of waiting for an update

[minor whale]

I think there's an actual updated spreadsheet with the new items

[austere mulch]

Yeah I’ve got it on my pc, just not updated on my Google sheets app

[rustic ocean]

The slayer changes tomorrow are gonna be so cool

[ember token]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[hard axle]

Still doesn't for Confliction Gauntlets after 2 weeks + months in beta

[modest coral]

skibidi toilet amirite

[rustic ocean]

I'm projecting my hopes into reality

[modest coral]

this confirmed?

[rustic ocean]

No lol

[modest coral]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-news-trump-gif-22804577

[hard axle]

what

[obsidian venture]

They listed a bunch of delve changes last week

[modest coral]

he doesnt know... pepelaugh

[obsidian venture]

Dw about it boomer

[modest coral]

not enough imo

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/padded-cell-happy-snow-white-mental-breakdown-gif-17405036219425317509

[obsidian venture]

So tmrw is gonna be delve again and maybe some other qol

Yellow clicking on 8+ is depression

[rustic ocean]

I already hope they add slayer pouch to mta

Sooner than later

Rune pkuch

Ffs

Pouch

[obsidian venture]

Tbh hope some info on server stability

[rustic ocean]

Reddit told me when you yellow click while obviously hovering over a boss means you lack skill. When you gain more skill that click would be red.

[ember token]

I just checked and it seems like it's simple, to just be waiting on one person to actually do it

[obsidian venture]

Skill issue to some degree ye

[chrome lantern]

All I can say is that I hope they adjust more with delve than what they put out in the “To-Do” list last blog

Like stopping your attack when he does a melee punish chargeup

[obsidian venture]

But it reminded me of colo clickboxes which were horrible

[obsidian venture]

Ye

[old tinsel]

Delve drop rates tomorrow tho

[rustic ocean]

It's a joke.

[chrome lantern]

Oh and melee punish morphing into just shield phase

[chrome lantern]

Did they ever say this or just conjecture

[old tinsel]

There was a jagex rep who responded to someone last week saying how they will post in two weeks like they always do

I believe it was in here

[chrome lantern]

If only they used a consistent means of communication instead of sporadically remarking on like 5 different platforms

Shouldn’t be expected to hunt down everything they say

I say that but I’m grateful they at least engage with community

[ember token]

2 weeks after release is when they normally reveal drop rates

[ember token]

that might've been me, keep in mind community ambassadors do not speak for jagex, the role is just to indicate people who have been helpful in the discord

[obsidian venture]

Pretty sure it was a mod on reddit

That mentioned it and it was shared here

Generally it is 2 weeks post release

[ember token]

yeah actually maybe it wasnt me based on my msg history because i cant find it now

but it sounds like something id say lol, plus they said jagex rep rather than jmod

[sacred oracle]

i know the rates are being posted this week, and i'm sure i saw a jmod say it, but now i think of it i can't remember where so i can't cite a source

[kind sail]

cant believe I went into #game-update to see if bane was here to say gm, and he actually was

gm bane

[fossil epoch]

#game-update message

Took some time to find it

but here is the one about drop rates coming

[kind sail]

it's weird they said 2 weeks as usual

hasn't it always been 1 week pre yama?

firmly remember DT2 having drop rates in the next week

[fossil epoch]

I always remmembered it as 2 weeks, and i have been telling people its usualyl about 2 weeks for like a year

Yama was a special case

[frail bough]

i also always remember it as 2

[kind sail]

let me dig

[fossil epoch]

Though the wiki usually lets us know somewhat realistic droprates quite fast

just very hard with this new delve mechanic im guessing

[kind sail]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=13/desert-treasure-ii---the-fallen-empire?oldschool=1

literal next day lol

[fossil epoch]

Wasnt that because people were like screaming because and they kinda backtracked their decision because of the weird vestige drop mechanic

[sacred oracle]

yeah

people were very confused by no one getting the drop on day 1 or smth like that

same with yama, where people were clued in that something was fucky because there were no pets being gotten at all

[kind sail]

Im not even able to find a single news post on araxxor rates tbh

so for the last 2 years to the date, looking through news posts, there has been exactly one boss that has had its rates released 2 weeks after

and thats delve lol

[sacred oracle]

it struck me as odd they said 2 weeks because i remembered it being 1 before now

[kind sail]

dont let them gaslight you

its never been 2 weeks

[sacred oracle]

my memory isn't great, though, and i didn't care enough to check

am very gaslightable

[kind sail]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=13/archive?oldschool=1&year=2024&month=9 unless someone wants to doublecheck my work

its never been a thing

[tacit wharf]

its pretty much always been 2-3 weeks after release since they starting confirming drop rates

[kind sail]

where?

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=13/secrets-of-the-north-improvements?oldschool=1 muspah 1 week after release

[tacit wharf]

since before they started posting on the new section, why most boss rates are linked with a twitter link

on the wiki

[kind sail]

1 week

1 week

its literally always been 1 week lol

im not going to be gaslit by gagek and oscorders

another 1 week

[minor whale]

Varlamore p1 bosses were 2 weeks between

[tacit wharf]

released oct 15, released nov 13

[kind sail]

so it's not 1 week or 2 week, its literally whenever they decide lol

forgot about varla bosses tbh

[tacit wharf]

like i said, typically 2-3 weeks is the norm

since 2015 since they started confirming rates

as with norms, u do get outliers