game-update

[kind sail]

and said that you will get banned for it

?????????

[lone remnant]

i can find something and say something stupid too bud

[last onyx]

You already have

[kind sail]

this dude really needs to abuse bugs to do content and then project on people for calling it out

unreal lmfao

just get good at the game man

no bugs needed

[lone remnant]

I said it shouldnt have been in the game. All i said was fix the other annoyance with the boss at the same time

[kind sail]

you just compared it to red xing and said it was tech

lmfao

[dire mango]

When jagex knows about it, acknowledges it and actively balances around it it's not a bug anymore even though it might've started out as one.

[lone remnant]

It's actually super similar to red x which you could see if you let your ego go

[kind sail]

I have no ego

because I dont bug abuse

[lone remnant]

?????????????

[kind sail]

Not really sure how im egoing by calling out bug abuse

it really sounded like you were egoing me tbh lmao

like?

[dawn rock]

But it needs a good rhythm to get it done. The mohka bug is just standing in one rock spot, then stand completely still and attack lol

[lone remnant]

yeah, if you cant understand why people made a mechanic easier, you are out of touch

[kind sail]

alrighty man, well Ill leave you to your 1-4s

gl out there

[lone remnant]

brother you can look me up

stop trying to ego me lmao

[dawn rock]

It’s fine man, your opinion is fine no big deal 😄

[kind sail]

97 delves with bug abuse doesn't count

gl tho

[lone remnant]

acting like I didnt have clears before bug was out crazy egoing

[austere mulch]

Most of those are getting adjusted too

[kind sail]

bug was out day 2

[austere mulch]

Nox said there’s a list of 15 or so things getting fixed

[lone remnant]

yeah I had clears day 1

[kind sail]

for how staunchly you're defending it

I really doubt it

[white narwhal]

Didn’t they just hotfix it so the smash breaks it

[lone remnant]

ego speaking

[kind sail]

not ego

more like occums razor

[tiny dew]

Intended method more fun anyway

[kind sail]

WAY more fun

[lone remnant]

thats not occams razor you monkey

[frail bough]

Complaining about a fix today that would have been fixed tomorrow regardless is actually crazy

[kind sail]

the most likely explanation is usually the correct one?

[tiny dew]

Thats the chill part of the fight too

[kind sail]

you're in here defending bug abusing, comparing it to red xing and prayer flicking

[lone remnant]

those are bug abuse is all im saying

theyve been legitimized but they ARE bug abuse

[austere mulch]

Also it’s a bit of a reach to put boulder tech on the same platform as redx and prayer flicking

[tiny dew]

Boulder tech was a bug because the boulder literally doesn’t get destroyed when it should

[lone remnant]

I wasn't defending boulder tech, just saying it doesnt make sense to hotfix that and not fix the other major grievances with the fight

[austere mulch]

That’s fair

They should be getting fixed though, hopefully tomorrow

[kind sail]

most if not all are getting fixed tomorrow

[tiny dew]

Maybe because it was an easy fix and the other stuff is not an easy fix

[austere mulch]

A list of what’s being fixed would be nice to have tho

[kind sail]

but they absolutely should hotfix straight up bug abuses

100% of the time

[white narwhal]

They post these bugs on the blog post and their status

[lone remnant]

then they shouldve done it friday

[dawn rock]

Agreed

[kind sail]

they probably had to rework it

[dawn rock]

How did you guys find out btw?

[kind sail]

I doubt it was an easy fix

[dawn rock]

I was searching for it

[lone remnant]

rework it? if mokha on boulder entity == destroy entity or whatever i dont code java

[white narwhal]

It’s more unintended gameplay stacking mechanics not rlly that crazy tbh

[austere mulch]

They fixed the instakill bug over the weekend, but that was far more critical

They don’t typically do many fixes after hours or over weekends

Not sure when it hit their radar

[kind sail]

I didnt personally see the boulder bug until late Friday night EST

which is after hours for jagex

[lone remnant]

they live in gnomonkeys chat

they saw it

[dawn rock]

Bruh

[frail bough]

Either way, it would have been fixed tomorrow. Just because it didn't come out with the other fixes doesn't mean it shouldnt' have been fixed when they were able to do so.

[tiny dew]

How is it even an issue to u

[frail bough]

^^^

[kind sail]

they can see it without being in office to fix it lmao

[tiny dew]

Anyone that can acc do the boss literally doesn’t care it got patched

[lone remnant]

I mean it really sucks for me cause I dont have ZCB but thats my own fault

knives gave me at least a 60%~ chance to skip orb walk

[kind sail]

I did 10+ clears with void, dwh, and sco bow only

its skill

[tiny dew]

Boss is 0 dmg, click better

[kind sail]

dont bug abuse

[lone remnant]

you guys are missing the point to ego

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[kind sail]

you're whining that you can't do it without an item

and im telling you that you can

and that its a MASSIVE skill issue

[lone remnant]

and Im telling you I did already

[tiny dew]

When u bring up prayer flicking as an argument for bug abuse ik u have no idea what ur talking about

[lone remnant]

missing the point of what I said to ego

go off kings

[kind sail]

no more points to make

just says everyone is egoing

thats wild

[lone remnant]

no, just you two

[dawn rock]

Lol

Chill guys

[white narwhal]

Really no point in debating you’ll just get yourselves in trouble with this tbh

[lone remnant]

anyway, wave 8+ unique chance is bugged and theyll quietly fix that on wednesday

[dawn rock]

Gl y‘all

[meager flame]

tbh i think theres a good chance they change nothing even though i think that would be pretty bad

fun boss but it could be a lot better

[woeful zenith]

I just want the servers to not lag when I do HMT

Crazy concept

[meager flame]

well

jagex should even though they haven't ever indicated that they ever would

reduce the server capacity to 1k

worlds have been absolutely ass for literal years as soon as its past 1k

and before their previous upgrade it was kinda jank at like 600 lol

[lone remnant]

cut the f2p worlds in half and actually use membership price increases to buy more server space

[woeful zenith]

Cant do that unless they add way more. All servers are at 1.4k at peak hours

[lone remnant]

they dont care because bad players dont even realize theyre lagging

[meager flame]

yeah its just a joke on the players

[lone remnant]

and us will pay anyway cause we're dumb

[dawn rock]

💀

[meager flame]

they need more worlds not larger worlds

[woeful zenith]

I wish I could post my video clip of hmt in here

[meager flame]

the way its been going

[woeful zenith]

Its hilarious

Just 3 tick delay on red click on verzik

Afufufu

[meager flame]

it only gets worse too because back in the day

even if the world was absolutely falling apart you were doing like

kq or something and who cares if it drops ticks

that is not how osrs works in 2025 though

so its pretty unacceptable

[frail nebula]

What region are you in?

I've not noticed any lag quite that bad

[meager flame]

the lag that i consistently get and can verify it with plugins is like

oh theres 1200 people? oops that tick was 150ms

[woeful zenith]

NA. And before you say anything about ping, I normally HMT in EU with my homies all the time. I can easily do high eff tob or HMT in EU at 100 ping or so. But this is just terrible

[meager flame]

etc

and it just deteriorates the more players you see on a world

[austere mulch]

Crazy how OSRS is struggling with crowded game worlds meanwhile rs3 averages 100-200 per world handful of worlds below 50 at peak hours also

[frail nebula]

Yeah that's about the worst I've seen too

[meager flame]

the funny part about the rs3 stuff to me

is they're like help us show jagex mtx is wrong!

and im like we already did with osrs nice try trying to get free subs for thinking about fixing stuff though

[frail nebula]

We're gonna disable mtx for 8 nanoseconds as an experiment

[woeful zenith]

I wish a tick wa 150 ms. Most ticks rn are like 850ms

[meager flame]

thats the best part

[fossil epoch]

Going from 900 delves with nothing today, to 1050 delves with 2 cloth and 1 boots today lol

[meager flame]

if one is 150ms that means the other 450ms that it should've been

went to the tick before it

so the game just looked like nothing happened

[frail nebula]

You aren't using total level worlds are you?

[meager flame]

they actually fixed that as far as i can tell

[frail nebula]

Wait really?

I've just been avoiding them lol

[haughty magnet]

Okkkk I’ve got hope when I get back to doing some runs tomorrow

[meager flame]

yeah lol i noticed awhile ago that i wasn't just getting the consistent hang ups on total level worlds

idk when it got fixed though

[frail nebula]

I seem to recall a while back that they said it couldn't realistically be fixed

[meager flame]

it probably changed when they upgraded their hardware

[frail nebula]

And they didn't want to talk about why it caused lag

Maybe

[meager flame]

it just took me awhile to go onto one of those worlds and notice

im assuming it was doing something like

checking every single person to make sure they had the right level or something

and each time that would happen it would mini ddos itself

[frail nebula]

Tbh I'm guessing that more "complete" accounts are heavier for the server to deal with

[meager flame]

so with better hardware it could tank its own self inflicted server load

im sorta confused about why it would do something like that though but if it did

there was probably a reason

it might even be as dumb as like

its constantly updating a list of all allowable players on the world lol

but yeah i have no idea

[tender harness]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1mc4rwd/projectiles_can_follow_you_between_delves_and_do/ okay this is

[sacred skiff]

Damn haha I hope this was brought to their attention in time to patch.

[true talon]

Imagine losing your hcim to this

[sterile breach]

anyone tried torags hammers for punish weapon in absence of like dual macs?

can't tell if theyre bugged or not, kinda funky

[fossil epoch]

how so? im using ice boppers, they work fine

[lone remnant]

@kind sail did a wave 11 reset, just for you champ

smoochies you toa merchant

[kind sail]

nice ego pinging me hours later to lie

unreal

gl king

[lone remnant]

im working rn sorry had a meeting

1 hour later, kc went up, only thing wrong was you being a toa merchant but you embody the soul of one

[small anvil]

This conversation is so silly

[kind sail]

incredibly

dude doesn't know how to drop it lmao

man said smoochies

[small anvil]

Nah you're the one being silly ehip

[kind sail]

???

[small anvil]

It started from you accusing them of not being able to do a high delve without rock tech

And tripling down

[kind sail]

I will quadruple down lol

dude is pinging me an hour later

[lone remnant]

thought it was hours later

[small anvil]

I mean you have no basis to think that

It's just you having a conclusion and sticking to it

[kind sail]

correct

[small anvil]

Of course people are gonna be silly if you insist on being like that

It's a dumb interaction all around

But it's driven by you

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[kind sail]

no worries, ill hop on later to bug abuse some prayer flicking

might ping homie with it later, idk

[lone remnant]

still missing the argument i see

goalpost moving and missing the point

what cant he do

[kind sail]

you can tell me that I'm missing the argument all you want, and backtrack from it all you want

but if this is your point :

[lone remnant]

yes, those are bug abuse

thats the point

[kind sail]

then I will continue to flame you, especially after pinging me well after lmao

[lone remnant]

just because they are bug abuse and became legitimized, doesnt make them less of bug abuse

[small anvil]

The line between bug abuse and taking advantage of mechanics is kinda thin

[kind sail]

if Jagex says it's fine, then its not bug abuse

if it's not fine, then they will fix it, like they did today

that's the line

it's not very thin

[small anvil]

Did they fix rock tech?

[kind sail]

yes

[lone remnant]

yes they did this morning

[small anvil]

I thought they hadn't

[kind sail]

this morning

[small anvil]

Ah

I'm out of date

[lone remnant]

technically im partaking in bug abuse by abusing this cockroach

[small anvil]

Expected it yesterday honestly

It was too strong

[lone remnant]

eh i dont think so, the setup could fuck you up sometimes as well

[kind sail]

said the dude that said w11 w no ss

97 delves with bug abuse is 0

unfortunate

[lone remnant]

i cant post screenshots

[small anvil]

Guy doesn't have to prove it to you lol

[lone remnant]

you continue to move the goalposts brother

[small anvil]

The stand still and just DPS boss was silly

[lone remnant]

my kc literally went up by 3 you can just relook me up

[small anvil]

I think first slam being negated was ok ish

[lone remnant]

tihnk this part still works, havent tested it

[small anvil]

Like not the most objectionable

But stand still and boss just charges in place

And rock not destroyed

Was silly

Like rewarding smart rock placement is neat

[lone remnant]

well if your dps is too high you lose out on extra rocks

[noble vortex]

We staying on topic in here fellas?

[small anvil]

Mostly yeah

[last onyx]

You still here whining @lone remnant?

[lone remnant]

if the topic is goalpost moving and quadrupling down, yes

[noble vortex]

Doesn’t sound like game update talk to me..

[knotty herald]

There was a rock hotfix

[kind sail]

bug abusers are in shambles this morning unfortunately

name calling, grandstanding

[last onyx]

Only that one dude really

[kind sail]

unfortunate to see in the #game-update channel

[knotty herald]

This

[lone remnant]

both still missed the point of what i said, thats ok

reading comprehension is difficult i understand

[kind sail]

missed the point when you called me a cockroach? lmao

[rare grotto]

[lone remnant]

i was calling the boss a cockroach, it was on you to think I was calling you that

[rare grotto]

if they're there then it's not bug abuse

[lone remnant]

victim

[kind sail]

talk about moving goalposts LMAO

[noble vortex]

For times sake I’m just going to reiterate that naming and shaming is against the rules.

[last onyx]

I'm having some sporadically visual bugs at wave 8 from both boulders where the first projectile doesn't show and/or is invisible. Anyone experienced the same?

[lone remnant]

thats from server lag

i also got a server lag that spawned like 5 boulders in the air

I also, at the end of a double bolder flick, got hit on the same tick by a proj from the boss

not sure if thats intended

[meager flame]

ya i've had some invisible stuff

also that whole argument was kind of silly the difference between emergent gameplay and bug abuse is just how someone is feeling at jagex that day

the easiest way to look at is is that its unintended gameplay mechanics and then they decide if its bug abuse or some cool surprise afterward

[small anvil]

I've noticed people get really upset when anyone says prayer flicking was originally bug abuse

[meager flame]

i mean technically i guess its wrong to call all of that bug abuse because thats a category jagex places stuff in after they decide how they feel about it

[small anvil]

People get like super defensive over it

[meager flame]

yeah like

its all obviously unintended

[small anvil]

Yeah I agree

[meager flame]

then we find out if we're allowed to keep doing it or not

[obsidian venture]

Yeah it’s just something Jagex said it’s ok to have

So tryna use that as any argument nowadays is ie

[small anvil]

But like some people get really up in arms about anything they consider bug abuse being used

Pretty sure people hated red x, the gwd run methods

And other stuff at some point

[meager flame]

although players do have to have some level of common sense too with the stuff they find

[fair comet]

Have you been doing delve boss a lot?

[meager flame]

like if i found out that a bronze mace 1 shot the doom im running for cover because that one is obviously an incoming ban if i keep going

[small anvil]

The full boom on delve boss is kinda over my personal line

[obsidian venture]

I have like 70-80 delves done total so no

[fair comet]

Same. Except I haven't even started

[small anvil]

Or like item duping sorta stuff

[lone remnant]

yeah thatd be egregious

[small anvil]

But mechanics of a new boss breaking, whatever

No way jagex bans for it

[meager flame]

ya like you can have creative use of game mechanics like the boulder getting car phase stuck

you're not getting banned for that

[small anvil]

And if there's no consequences it's whatever

[meager flame]

but if you dupe items or 1 shot bosses or anything thats like

unhinged

stop lol

[obsidian venture]

Dunno why folks thought you’d get banned

Ie players

[lone remnant]

and its not like, car phase wasnt the easiest phase of the boss anyway

[small anvil]

People substitute their value judgement for a realistic view of what jagex would do

[lone remnant]

and it loses you dps overall

honestly thats what makes this game cool as opposed to say, blizzard. if blizzard had something equal to prayer flicking in wow it wouldve gotten patched right away

[tacit wharf]

would love nothing more than jagex removing 1tick flicking and red x-ing but reality is, they wont

[lone remnant]

+1 unironically

if they can remove 1t flick without messing with changing your prayer every tick, i would be all for it

[austere mulch]

Removing 1t flicking makes unique challenges that a lot of players think highly on, like port’s awakened Levi challenge literally impossible - also means it lowers the skill ceiling

[small anvil]

People hear "bug abuse" and think it's a value judgement

[austere mulch]

Little things like that which are unique to OSRS are almost core to the game’s identity

[fossil epoch]

I think "a lot of players think highly on" probably is a tiny % of players think higly on is more accurate

But removing prayer flicking isnt the move anymore

if it was removed, it should have happened back in rs2

[austere mulch]

Anyone that’s seen it or knows about it*

[hard axle]

ultimately, jagex decides what is okay or not lol

[small anvil]

So they say x is bug abuse and then you say y is also bug abuse by that logic and oh boy people go crazy

[austere mulch]

Which it got a lot of visibility on Reddit, twitter, discord and YouTube

[hard axle]

"a lot of players" don't even get to the point where they have the knowledge to know what is broken or just okay to keep

[austere mulch]

Tick manip skilling is on the same level as redx and prayer flicking which flicking

[hard axle]

they listen to what streamers or clip highlights say and then proceed to the actual logics

[austere mulch]

ATP it’s part of OSRS’s identity

[hard axle]

like for example, when people talk about prayer flicking, they never talk about how it's way more click intensive and punishing to do

they just chant "infinite prayer, please nerf"

and then these same donkeys say let me keybind prayers, which would let you 1t flick even easier

[tacit wharf]

cant use donkey, gotta use timmy

[fossil epoch]

yeh keybinding prayer is alike a major nono

[lone remnant]

lets just say this, prayer flicking is a core mechanic that was an unintended mechanic of the game (aka bug abuse), and now its okay.

[hard axle]

there is a degree of opinion in what is acceptable or what isn't and jagex is the ultimate arbitrator

let's be real, car parking tech

was very broken lol

[lone remnant]

it really wasnt

the setup was harsh and you lost dps overall

and car phase is unironically the easiest part of the boss

but im not rehashing that

[austere mulch]

Idk if I’d call the setup harsh. Definitely easier to park than to deal with mechanics normally

Requires less on the spot thinking

[lone remnant]

i said my piece and like, 3 people willfully chose to misinterpret my position

[austere mulch]

I think a part of it is the scope of players who will do it too, when trying to compare to other “abuse”

Pretty much everyone was doing it bc it was easier and you get to afk for a bit

[hard axle]

even the gnome double boulder strat was harder to setup ngl

[obsidian venture]

1t flicking is something that 99% of players won’t do

[lone remnant]

thats what made me stop trying for multiple fang kits after 10, got sick of 1t flicking

[obsidian venture]

You don’t even need to 1t flick for that

And I flick heavy on raids when I can

[lone remnant]

now you dont

[obsidian venture]

You can lazy flick and cop kit

Not even now lmao I did that near release

[tiny dew]

1t flicking increases skill expression, car park didnt

[lone remnant]

i had 9 fang kits in my inventory, you needed to 1t flick

[obsidian venture]

Oh in the inv

Misread

[lone remnant]

ye

np

[obsidian venture]

Thought you meant like 1nd 🤣

[lone remnant]

nah thats free lmao

[obsidian venture]

Was like what are you saying

Ok fair on that

But it’s skill expression now and accepted by Jagex

And again only something the top players might need to do

Mostly for self imposed challenges if anything or certain speeds

[sterile breach]

there is a few options yes, torags just have higher strength

[rare grotto]

The issue is that the alternative is ie

Afking at start so u can guarantee rocks on certain spots

And u end up with the same end result

I don't disagree that car park goes against the spirit of the encounter

But there ain't much else

[tacit wharf]

me over here sitting in the corner waiting for the fixing of the menu stalling at lizardmen shamans as it goes against the spirit of the encounter

[hard axle]

Yeah, I agree

It feels like

If they were going to fix it, at least the other stuff along the way

because there's a lot of pain points without it

It still felt challenging even with car parking

[hard axle]

oh yeah, this shit needs to die lmao

add a stomp

[rare grotto]

Not killing during car phase also being like -45 seconds

I sleep

[hard axle]

Remember how people were moaning about BP nerf so they had to buff Shayzien and now it's just red-x when convenient

[pine juniper]

bank ui update will make me positively scream

[last onyx]

Could we please get 1 additional tick to react to the double boulder attack at wave 8 until the visual bugs hiding the projectiles is fixed?

(The first projectile of each set of 3 is just invisible every now and then)

[true talon]

Keybind prayers would be op as hell, as youd never need to go into your prayer book and just camp inventory

Also keybind accuracy is way higher than click, esp with that 1 pixel between each fucking protection prayer for no reason

[hard axle]

And people still ask for it - That's what I mean by the majority of players not understanding if something is busted or not.

[true talon]

They could clean up click boxes in the prayer book though

[hard axle]

Also I don't ever want to do down the route of button mashing combos out like in some MMOs.

Stuff mostly being left click is a godsend.

[true talon]

These wo spots here dont activate prayers lol

even though everywhere else around them does

[lone remnant]

a good trick i found is to treat it like toa lightning

step off

wait idk, like 2 or 3 ticks i would have to count it but go off feeling

click shadow of boulder that wasnt your og boulder

click boss

prayer 1-2-1 1-2-1

if you throw in the boss click that should get on you on tick to pray correctly

apparently mod nox confirmed that eye of ayak will be 1t on grubs and full kill

time to hang up the mokha gloves until tomorrow

[true talon]

ok... but what about those who dont have this?

it should be extended to all powered staffs

[lone remnant]

time to grind. the reason is because of spells being coded in spaghetti

[true talon]

ya and thats fine, but they need to make the grubs 1 hp or extend this to all powered staffs. its not very fair to people who dont have the staff to have to deal with this jank ass mechanic.

You not being able to fix it, is not my problem as a customer

your work around needs to broad and not just a means to boost the bosses unique staff

[lone remnant]

i mean the boss is still overall playable

[true talon]

this is not the point

The point is, they are circumventing a bug by introducing basically a paywall or a grindable item (while this is not a bad thing if its for dealing with mechanics such as having ven bow for whisperer, it does become a bad thing when its combating a bug that they cant fix)

[lone remnant]

i kind of disagree. its like asking for other bows to have the tbow damage boost in cox or other magic staffs to have shadow buff in toa

[true talon]

You have a broad ammount of options to fix it and you choose one locked behind a 200m staff

[true talon]

your not seeing the point? this is to combat a bug, not an extra mechanic

[lone remnant]

boss having something that helps the boss itself doesnt seem that bad

[true talon]

thats not the point my guy

because its not something that helps vs the boss, its something that paywalls you off doing the boss without it being bugged.

i think its pretty good change, but it needs to be more broad. limiting it to just the staff is just them paywalling the fight actually functioning for those without the staff or irons.

[lone remnant]

i mean is this not the inverse of the parked car tech? a bug can help or hurt but at the end of the day it might just be a mechanic of the game

[true talon]

The mage not being 1 tickable when melee an range are is a bug, they said its a bug, they cant fix it due to auto-casting jank and the way you fix this bug to be fair to everyone is adjust the grubs to 1 hp for mage only and allow you to power staff kill them, if you limit to just the eye, thats creating a solution to a problem you cant fix with a paywall.

[nocturne solstice]

Iunno just sounds like one wand has a unique perk to me

Kinda like how most weapons are these days

[hard axle]

That explains why the wand shot up lol

[true talon]

unique perk to combat a bug that they cant fix it? i dont think we can start calling niches to being bug fixes a thing.

[nocturne solstice]

Bugs becoming part of the game is normal in osrs and gaming as a whole.

[true talon]

I dont have an issue with their fix, but i dont think its very fair that everyone without the staff will have to do the boss dealing with bugged mage grubs.

[lone remnant]

were we not all doing it already with the bugged version?

[true talon]

Esp when they are just creating it to boost the price of the new unique, if they were not then they would allow all powered staffs the same benefit.

[nocturne solstice]

I think its fair when it applies to everyone, thats what fair means.

[lone remnant]

well no, because any other bow will suffer a tick delay

[true talon]

you still fail to see the point?

[lone remnant]

and melee weapon

[true talon]

if your not seeing a problem with introducing a paywall as a bug fix.... as a problem then i dunno lol.

I guess we should make sure you cant 1 tick any of the grubs unless your wearing avernic treads max?

this is the same concept

[lone remnant]

having a mage weapon fill that niche is better. because using anything to cast the spell wouldnt be fair to the demonbane weaponry

no tf its not lol

granted it should be the purging staff, but still

[nocturne solstice]

Using words like paywall in a misleading way just makes this feel dishonest to me. The paywall is gp but the word is usually associated with real world money.

[true talon]

the reason it dont work, is because the company themself can not fix it, so they are introducing a BUG FIX locked behind a 200m+ staff

paywalls exist outside of real world money

[lone remnant]

its not a paywall though, the boss is easily doable without it

[true talon]

Fine its not a paywall as the boss isnt completely undoable without it, but they are still pushing a bug fix behind an item due to their inability to fix it. and then they also have the option to either reduce the grubs to 1 hp (has no impact on any of the current meta weps and fixes the mage bug) or allow all powered staffs to 1 shot the grubs like the wand does.

Why does it have to be limited to the wand only? for people to get a properly working boss fight?

[lone remnant]

i mean this is just the inverse of the boulder tech. its an unintended mechanic of the fight and its just how jagex sees a way to fix it

[hasty shard]

why are we acting like they arent trying to patch the mage stuff

[round lintel]

Tbh I'd rather have them rework the orb mechanic to be more consistent and not walking somewhere else while trying to prayer flick on not being hit by a jug...

[hasty shard]

eye is just also getting the buff lmao

[lone remnant]

its pretty consistent imo

well there u go tassili

[true talon]

because their solution is to lock a functioning 1 tick kill on mage grubs behind a 200m+ staff that irons also do not have access to.
Would you support melee grubs being scythe only and range grubs being tbow only for 1 tick kills?

[lone remnant]

now the only benefit to eye is you can use it after chugging hella brews

[lone remnant]

I have access to it and im an iron

[round lintel]

Orb sometimes walks sometimes runs and thats not consistent. Lmao Sometimes moves around boulders or you get thrown outside for a boulder you didnt place lvl 5+

[true talon]

good for you.

[lone remnant]

[lone remnant]

orb speed changes based on delve level

[true talon]

thats false, its based on pathing

[round lintel]

Ive had it walk on lvl 6 and 7 and other times runs... so no.

[lone remnant]

walk orb on 1 and on 8 and tell me that again

the pathing could be improved but the speed is fine

[true talon]

Their fix is good, but its also scummy, it can be extended to every other powered staff or the grubs can be made 1 hp, they are just picking the method to add an extra niche to the eye of ayaka even though it already passively gathers tears.

they are using the niche as a bug fix work around and not extending it to the player base as a whole.

Thats my main concern with it

[lone remnant]

i dont think its scummy at all, the guy just told you theyre also fixing purging staff to work like that too.

[hasty shard]

why are you even getting to orb delve 1

[true talon]

Would be the same if you could only 1 tick melee/range grubs if you was using a tbow and scythe

[hasty shard]

besides that though orb should not be slower on earlier delves

it just feels janky

[true talon]

no they are not? he said its not fixable with auto casting.

so i dunno how they gonna make it work with purging

if its not fixable per the jmods words

[lone remnant]

brother wanna trade tbows cause mine hits a lot of 0s

i said the issue is caused by spaghetti mage casting code

i never said it wasnt fixable

then sephesly said theyre extending it to purging staff too

[hasty shard]

with tbow even??

[true talon]

the jmods said that its not fixing lol

[lone remnant]

yeah ive had it happen a few times, not a lot

[hard axle]

Changing it to 1 hp kills the purpose of bringing demonbane, so I disagree with Tass on that.

[lone remnant]

what ive started doing is switching to scobow at under like 40hp because of its increased accuracy over tbow

[hard axle]

Even if you kept the attack cd reset

I definitely wish they fixed the other issues with the car parking ngl

rather than fixing car parking and leaving the issues until tmr/next week

[true talon]

problem is just the mage grub, they want to extend the ability to kill grubs with eye of ayaka, due to code problems with auto casting demonbane.

[lone remnant]

i just wish when he went into melee charge thing it stopped your action

[true talon]

Currently no1 even brings demonbane for grubs, gnomokey is using a warped sceptre and obsdian rings

gnomonkey is using dark light to milk the shield phase lol

[lone remnant]

ah there it is

[hard axle]

?

[dire mango]

It's normal for the gear you get from a boss to be useful at said boss. For instance you're not paywalled from yama until you get a horn or oathplate.

[hard axle]

What

[lone remnant]

gnomonkey

[hard axle]

You literally bring slayer staff

for mage grubs

fk we saying

[lone remnant]

that explains a lot

[hasty shard]

obsidian rings WHAT

why

[hard axle]

is he doing budget setup?

[true talon]

no hes doing deepest delve setup

[lone remnant]

gnomonkey is a great player but brother his setup is not what everyone is running

[true talon]

thats not the point man, they are introducing it as a bug fix work around with so many other solutions. thats why im upset about it.

[lone remnant]

sorry to break it to you

gnomonkey also says things that are not correct then doubles down on them a lot

take what he says with a grain of salt

[hasty shard]

milking shield phase for delve pb is brain off so its not surprising

[hard axle]

dude, ur being so disingenuous again

[dire mango]

They're making eye good at doom. Other stuff will still work as it does now. Nothing you use now will be nerfed because of that addition.

[hard axle]

it's like saying molgoatkirby 1m budget setup is the norm

[true talon]

its already nerfed, because the 1 tick mage does not work omg, how do you guys not see this?

[hasty shard]

like cant you cursed ammy inferior demonbane to one hit

no pot required

[lone remnant]

maybe that was intended

[dire mango]

How can it be nerfed when it was never better than it currently is?

[true talon]

it was no intended

[dire mango]

By the definition of the word

[true talon]

your the one who said nerfed, its not nerfed, but if your waiting for a bug fix and they tie it to a 1 hand super rare drop from the boss itself, so now you have to grind the boss with the bug that prevents 1 ticking the grubs. i do not think thats a good solution.

its not a bug fix, its introducing a niche to an item to bypass you having to fix it

[lone remnant]

but it was already like that, and people are doing just fine

is this not a skill issue

[nocturne solstice]

I think its fine, I manual cast when i need it cast faster and autocast when i have the time.

it does get a bit nutty but at the end of the day if you miss em its like 5-8 dmg to self and 10 heal on moki?

[narrow folio]

Isnt manual and auto the same speed?

[true talon]

Its a like brickwall, its the same concept of having no 1 tick on range/melee an they go well you know what we cant fix that bug, so now if you hit it with a scythe or a tbow it now be 1 tick. enjoy the fix.

[nocturne solstice]

nah at least the initial cast is a lot slower

[narrow folio]

On grubs?

[hasty shard]

1 + every grub that has entered mokh

[nocturne solstice]

the manual cast is almost instant on grubs

[lone remnant]

well macas were meta for a few hours day 1

[nocturne solstice]

yeah on grubs

[narrow folio]

So manual cast is instant while auto isnt

God damn

[nocturne solstice]

yup, at least the initial cast

[true talon]

im face palming and holding back my true feelings of what i think of this conversation.

[nocturne solstice]

after the first hit, the rest of the autocasts are auto on grubs until you attack moki again

from my experience

[hard axle]

Tass might not be wrong in that it could be better if it was on demonbane, rather than a select item like Eye or Ayak, but I hate his examples and rationale used because it's almost always taking shit out of context

His logic would dictate that Awakened Leviathan is easy because 1 guy kill 50 of them without using supplies, or that a guy killed it without Shadow Barrage, so we need to buff it.

[lone remnant]

this isnt fully true, it just applies the tick delay of whatever u used last, so if u wait 5 ticks after tbow and auto cast the spell it wont have a delay

[true talon]

your not understanding what im saying, if this is what you think.

[narrow folio]

Also true for manual or no?

[lone remnant]

not sure

[lone remnant]

say it with your chest king

[nocturne solstice]

That would be what I mean i think? All attacks are "instant" with a delay. The norm is that all attacks on grubs bypass that delay and become 1t except mage attacks which still have the delay.

Manual casting bypasses that delay while autocasting doesnt on the initial attack. Afterwards, the autoattacks also only have 1t delay.

[dire mango]

I think it's fair that eye gets a good reason to bring it over other staffs. With the mechanic that it gains charges after completed levels it's just odd that it has 0 use for the boss currently.

[tiny epoch]

did they patch it?

[lone remnant]

ah I see what youre saying, yeah it does work like that

[tiny epoch]

manual casting still had the delay yesterday or what

[nocturne solstice]

all good then, sorry if I worded it weird haha

[lone remnant]

theyre making the staff one hit grubs with no delay

the eye of ayak staff

[narrow folio]

No delay after already being on cooldown

[hard axle]

If you're on cooldown for another weapon, Autocast Demonbane waits until you're off-cooldown and then it behaves like Scobow/Emberlight where you can rapidly kill grubs 1t after another and then switch back to Tbow without any attack delay.

It's not 5t each demonbane cast.

[tiny epoch]

theres no diff between manual & autocast is there

[nocturne solstice]

there is

[tiny epoch]

whats diff

[nocturne solstice]

what rat just said

auto has to wait for attack delay, manual doesnt

[hard axle]

I don't mind it either and I've largely adapted to it, but it's an inconsistency to how other weapons behaved.

[tiny epoch]

manual does

[hard axle]

I have no understanding of manual cast because I haven't used it and cannot confirm or deny

[nocturne solstice]

i havent had the delay on manual

[tiny epoch]

manuals the exact same

[true talon]

My Logic, I'm try to explain it to get you to understand.
If a mechanic does not function due to a BUG you do not introduce a Single item as the solution to bypass having the fix the BUG. Even if said item does gain a new niche and helps on the boss, you are still using a item to bypass fixing a actual BUG in your game. items that are tied to markets and items that not everyone has access to, esp when you have many other options, such as adding the ability to all powered staffs.

EX, 1 ticking melee and range grubs now no longer functions unless you hit them with a tbow or a scythe (im sure a lot of players would be up in arms)

[nocturne solstice]

ive done it a few times

[tiny epoch]

ur just clicking slower with manual cast or

its the same delay

[nocturne solstice]

but anyway, now they're making ayak 1t regardless

thats the change

[tiny epoch]

i have never brought a staff into mokha

[hard axle]

I'm saying your request is fine, but your examples are horrendously nuclear dog shit

[true talon]

what example is wrong?

[narrow folio]

• a couple of inventory spaces

[tiny dew]

Wait so manual casting is better again? 🙏

[lone remnant]

your examples are hilariously non comparable

[narrow folio]

(i was using inferior to save runes)

[true talon]

you havnt given an example that was wrong

[nocturne solstice]

yeah i switched to inferior too lmao

[hard axle]

mfer, you brought up gnomemonkey when he wasn't doing an average clear

[true talon]

this wasnt even an example of the logic im trying to explain

[hard axle]

https://i.imgur.com/SLFS0Yz.png

[true talon]

Ok?

[hard axle]

This is the dumbest justification to fix demonbane

[dire mango]

In your example if they worked like that from the start you wouldn't complain about them adding a better way to another weapon.

[hard axle]

fix mage demonbane because its inconsistent with other demonbane (melee/ranged)

that's all u needed to say

who the fuck cares if genome is not using it

and btw

he still is

[tiny epoch]

its cringe u need a 160mil weapon to make the fight work properly

[true talon]

brother they should never work like that from the start, because its a fucking bug. a bug needs to be fixed, the company can not fix the fucking bug, so they are introducing a work around behind a item which is not how you solve this.

[hard axle]

I wouldn't mind it if Ayak and demonbane were both fixed

that way u can brew down to narnia

and still use it

[narrow folio]

Arent they continuing to work on making other staffs work properly in the meantime?

[hard axle]

all im saying

[true talon]

if they are then good.

[hard axle]

no confirmation on this

[true talon]

but i havnt seen any data other than people saying its not fixable with anything but powered staffs

[narrow folio]

Then fix the code tbh

[lone remnant]

bro this code is older than some people playing the game

[true talon]

Exactly..... this is my problem with their fix, not because its the eye, i think its good. but its also really messed up to have to do a bugged encounter, unless you have the eye.

[lone remnant]

its not an overnight thing

[tiny epoch]

if ur admitting defeat just make any powered staff 1shot grubs or what

[true talon]

There are better fixes that require less work and dont do anything to the fight

[tiny epoch]

if its bugged & cant fix the bug why gatekeep the workaround behind a 160mil item

[lone remnant]

...like the fix they are adding, yeah?

[true talon]

just have powered staffs kill the grubs, who cares about the demonbane aspect, because the demonbane is only castable from the spellbook.

[narrow folio]

Honestly yeah just make all staffs work to oneshot, and at the same time work to fix the spells

[tiny dew]

Change grubs completely and make it so they can only be killed with the holy water from legends quest

[lone remnant]

+2

[true talon]

thats evil

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah that woulda been a good one liner

All that other stuff just made it weird

[lone remnant]

then at least make sure that eye doesnt give tick delay

[dire mango]

Yeah, they should fix the bug. Consistency between the styles would be nice. I'd rather they re-code autocasting from the ground up as it is currently jank in so many ways, but the band-aid they're proposing gives eye a use over other powered staves which is good.

[true talon]

its good, its just scummy. because irons and people with 300m+ cant do a properly non bugged boss unless they have it.

[proven elbow]

Anyone know what they are patching tomorrow?

[lone remnant]

i can do it just fine if i didnt have eye

[narrow folio]

Even funnier would be make purging be a trident but u load up a demonbane spell

[hard axle]

I am doing it just fine without eye

as well

[nocturne solstice]

Id assume some DOOOOOOM related fixes mainly

[severe sage]

Just became member for the first time yesterday and it felt so lackluster? no bridging nothing exciting right away, seems i just have access to other areas and i have to go find the new stuff myself? didnt even get a pop up message. no bridging from f2p to p2p

[hard axle]

Melee Grubs are more cancer than Mage Grubs

[true talon]

Guys its not about doing the boss or not doing the boss.
its the principal of having a bugged boss vs a non bugged boss if you have this item

[narrow folio]

Melee grubs should be removed

Its sooo stupid

[true talon]

like i know the boss is do-able with the bug that is not the point

[narrow folio]

Or make melee grubs clear acid in an aoe in their path

[lone remnant]

yeah honestly flipping a triple headed coin on if im taking 30+ dmg on wave 8 during double boulder cause i rolled melee does suck ass

[hard axle]

Yes, and we mostly agreed, but shitting on band-aid/temporary fixes with dogwater examples is not it

[dire mango]

You make it sound like you're locked out of doing the boss. You're mildly inconvenienced. An inconvenience you can eliminate by getting a good drop. Much like how gear progression works everywhere else in the game.

[nocturne solstice]

I feel like getting THIS worked up over it just makes it feel weird.

Like it makes me suspicious of you

[narrow folio]

Cap the grub dmg to 5 or something

God dang

[hard axle]

I wouldn't even both going after them

at 8+

[true talon]

its not a mild inconvenience when its doing a bugged encounter and its not them fixing it, its them putting the fix behind a item. its principal that i care about, not that the boss is harder with or without it.

its not the same as having a ven bow for whisperer

[lone remnant]

it really do be a mild inconvenience brother

[true talon]

ven bow adds a niche that is part of the encounter its not bugged.

[narrow folio]

Any way to recolor the menus on grubs?

[hard axle]

not having vbow is arguably worse

[lone remnant]

i gotchu 1 sec

[true talon]

yes. not having a tbow and no having a zcb makes the fight way harder. however they arent solutions to a bug.

[narrow folio]

Im going to crashout if I keep misclicking bc i cant speedread the names

[hard axle]

so this is very mild

[lone remnant]

14711:2,14713:1,14712:5,

[hard axle]

glad u agree

[lone remnant]

better npc highligh

[dire mango]

Seen phaizz do it. But idk how. There is a way

[narrow folio]

Under what

Category?

It has like true tile, etc

[lone remnant]

i have it under true tile

[narrow folio]

I didnt see an obvious menu entry

[hard axle]

no no, the menu color

like in BA

like right click

[true talon]

If they have purging staff be able to 1 tick the grubs, then fine. but locking it behind eye only is not it.

[lone remnant]

yeah im looking where i put that shit

1 sec

cause mine

[trim goblet]

You can use the Multicolour Highlight plugin for that, but there might be other ways too @hard axle

[narrow folio]

Nice

[hard axle]

Is it the menu though

[trim goblet]

Think that changes menus yeah

[narrow folio]

Ill take a look later

[hard axle]

ill try it as well

[trim goblet]

I think I just shift-click marked mine, then changed the colour @hard axle

[true talon]

It dont impact the fight that much, its mostly annoying waiting on attack cooldown to deal with mage grubs, i personally hate melee grubs more even though they are 1 tickable.

[hasty shard]

[true talon]

Im hype for the changes tomorrow, even though i dont know whats coming.

[lone remnant]

yeah i really have no idea how i highlighted the menu, I think it just did

when i put that in better npc highlight

[true talon]

might be a lot of good stuff, might be alot of nothing.

[trim goblet]

Can't wait for droprates to be released

Any guesses on Boots rarity?

[true talon]

1/5k

[lone remnant]

8+ drop rates are bugged and they will quietly fix it mark my works

words

[trim goblet]

Thinking the same

[true talon]

Im following this guy journey lol

i think he just got pet at 1350 or something

[lone remnant]

how tf do i post screenshots in here

[true talon]

need steel rank

[lone remnant]

always some ranks

osrs players and ranks whats new

well regardless i have 4 fookin pets

[dire mango]

Hopefully they've balanced the rates so that it's worth going as far as possible. Would be awkward to find out 1-<8 is the best for drops or something.

[hard axle]

it's to prevent some guy dropping a nsfw pic with a fresh discord alt

[vestal ruin]

[hard axle]

ik u see what was blocked

[vestal ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/alright-carry-on-continue-resume-keep-going-gif-16771637

[lone remnant]

i just said i was gonna post the ol pillar and stones

[hard axle]

but yeah, the ranks are a good system

[trim goblet]

Wish granted, 1/20k droprate until delve 15

[hard axle]

please

for the love of god

do not let this be meta

[lone remnant]

wave 4 1/3k
wave 5 1/2.5k
wave 6 1/2k
wave 7 1/1.5k
wave 8 + 1/1k

[vestal ruin]

I hope its more common than that

[hard axle]

I'm wondering what the pet is ngl

it feels both turbo common and turbo uncommon

[lone remnant]

1/1 if your username is zastavo

[lone remnant]

1/343 per wave 8 run

[hard axle]

It would explain why there boots are still so high

[lone remnant]

thats my theory

[vestal ruin]

I hope its around 1/250 from wave 8+

[trim goblet]

I hope higher waves are slightly better, but nothing crazy

[lone remnant]

honestly, I think the rate SCALES DOWN as you go higher

[vestal ruin]

wouldnt make sense

[lone remnant]

nobody I know thats sending high delves has seen shit outside of what we affectionately call 'loot wave' which is wave 6

havent seen shit 8+ (besides pets)

yeah it wouldnt make sense, which is why they will sneakily fix it tomorrow and say nothing

tinfoil hat on

[trim goblet]

Staying up all night just to get boots before tomorrow

They're never ever making stuff more common after week 1

[round lintel]

Why is milking shield phase good? What am I missing there?

[lone remnant]

its not

[narrow folio]

They made dt2 uniques more common though

[true talon]

Wiki kinda dont know lol

[lone remnant]

gnomo is just trying for wr

[true talon]

2x base loot is hilarious

2x base on wave 3 lol

[hard axle]

I remember Day 1 I was thinking how we should lower Dom to 4-5

now consistent 7-8 even with parking nerf

[trim goblet]

Consistent D7 clears here, but stopped trying D8 unless I've got complete garbage loot lol

[narrow folio]

I'm still dying a lot 😦

[trim goblet]

Dying in 2 ticks is just way too annoying

Gotta git gud eventually

[lone remnant]

consistent like 11+ for me

[true talon]

I just go to i die, i started 7 resets to bank the tears for uniques

but im waiting for the changes before i go back considering im 600 kc with nothing lol

[hasty shard]

nothings happening in the phase so you can sit there 10 minutes, 1 hit delvy then go to next floor, zcb and basically go right back into another shield phase

[trim goblet]

Got a dupe cloth, so gotta farm some more tears as well

[true talon]

I think the uniques break into tears

[hasty shard]

its not good for speeds obviously but you could push delve pb far with it lol

[true talon]

the wand breaks into 10k tears -140m process

[hasty shard]

im assuming they'll cap the blue phase punish damage

[ember token]

i'm a waiter on doom

[true talon]

im mining more arrows, because of doom arrow bug

[ember token]

ill start learning it after whatever changes they do this week

[true talon]

Its a good boss

despite all the bugs and non existent loot, its a good time

[trim goblet]

I'd agree all the way up to D8 :p

There's only so many tick perfect leviathan bosses I can take

But it's got a lot of fun mechanics

[exotic barn]

Didn't they already cap it to 50 damage max

[hard axle]

they already buffed difficulty, might as well learn now

[exotic barn]

How so?

[hard axle]

car parking is dead

[ember token]

ive waited all week, i can wait 11 more hours

[exotic barn]

Oh yeah fair

[narrow folio]

Is there a guide for this?

Nvm 10 minutes??

[exotic barn]

Yeah it's not worth doing but I'm fairly certain it got hotfixed anyway

The way it worked was you just hit with dark light to reset shield and kill all grubs before they reached the boss so they didn't damage it, the more time you milked it the more damage doom took after you finally break the shield

Gnome milked it for 11 minutes and 1 shot it with 470+ damage

Would have essentially meant you can push delve as far as your supplies would last so long as you got it to 75% to start shield phase, pretty much 1 ZCB spec

[hasty shard]

idk actually :3c

[chrome lantern]

They did yes

[round lintel]

My best ping is 64 in this game, and I can feel sometimes i click something and it doesnt register but in this boss is sooo aids xd

[tender harness]

Just get a unique

Skill issue

[round lintel]

I think ive died like 100 times cuz of the melee shield

[vestal cosmos]

I think a better example than the ones you gave would be like if the Gauntlet inventory reset bug (if the game updated while you were in the Gauntlet your inventory would bug out and wipe) would still reset your inventory unless you had an enhanced crystal weapon seed in it. I know mage grubs isn’t the same degree of “oh lord devs fix this now” as Gauntlet wipes but locking the 1t mage grubs behind the Eye of Ayak would be similar to the Gauntlet bug still happening unless you already had an ECWS.

I know the devs are still working on globally fixing the mage grubs. The Eye of Ayak already has a uniquely coded attack behavior so it was probably easiest for the devs to fix that specific weapon right now to work on the grubs while they continue to work on their spaghetti autocasting code.

[icy relic]

true

I hate the melee grubs more on wave 8 spawn

mage ones I can at least kill so they don't go into the boss

[vestal cosmos]

Dinh’s Bulwark spec 🙃

Hit all 3

[chrome lantern]

Wouldn't it only do 1 damage to 2 of them though

[icy relic]

they way overcompensated for making drops too common at yama lol

this shit fucking sucks

[vestal cosmos]

The 🙃 emote means I’m not being serious

[hard axle]

The fix is still to make shards untradeable and less shards to make oathplate

But they won’t do it

[tiny epoch]

they could just make all tridents 1shot if they cant fix the bug

[hasty shard]

literally just making oathplate shards untradable even would be better

[round lintel]

tbh the staff is right now the only drop i need to get out of this boss hopefully it comes soon

[hasty shard]

cause then shale has actual economical benefit to exist

[round lintel]

got boots first and cloth second

[vestal cosmos]

Well they certainly can’t make shards untradeable now after months of them moving around

[austere mulch]

Yeah too late for that atp

But it’s not like people haven’t been saying it since day 1

Telling them exactly what would happen, because it was obvious enough to see immediately

Only for it to play out literally exactly as everyone said it would

[hard axle]

“They can’t” is silly because they absolutely can.

[idle rapids]

Yeah they made anima bark untradable after a week of forestry being out

Not as long a time frame but still

[hard axle]

Yup, I bought it all and converted it before this happened

It’s stupid because they absolutely could make all jars untradeable or unusable if no clog, but they’re too worried about pissing maybe 100 people off that they will leave it as is

[idle rapids]

I mean, I’d be fine with them doing that but I also don’t see the point

Besides making it consistent

[hard axle]

Oh speaking of Ayak, in addition to fixing auto cast demonbane, maybe make it AOE grubs regardless of style, so when you get double mage or double range, it’s just easy as fuck.

easyscape grubs

[narrow folio]

Just remove style specific grubs so we have a choice

[hard axle]

I think it’s good to have them tbh

makes it a big too easy

[nocturne solstice]

i wonder if anyone has tried ancients at doom now thanks to the grubs 🤔

[hard axle]

But making Ayak worth using would be sound

[kind sail]

once they remove autocast and manual delay

we will be chilling

surely it wont just be on the wand right?

[hard axle]

Double death charge too good ngl

[hard axle]

Temp fix

[nocturne solstice]

its really good for sure

[kind sail]

huge

i knew it would be work

just want to know theyre working on it

[meager flame]

im ngl

they probably made a big mistake by creating double death charge

[narrow folio]

Make mage grubs dying aoe

100%

[kind sail]

nah they knew what they were doing

just remember that delve was supposed to come out first

[meager flame]

i think they're gonna see this happen a lot in general

i dont mean for the delve

i mean for the game in general

[kind sail]

they polled it

they made their beds

[meager flame]

yeah im just saying they probably fucked up low key lol

[kind sail]

lmao makes the game more fun

so oh well

[narrow folio]

I find myself only dcing for the first few waves

Otherwise lb regen is enough for one zcb per wave after

So yeah its huge for earlys but after that, doesnt do much for me

[kind sail]

once you incorporate chally 5+ with a zcb on car its really nice

[hard axle]

Always dc off cooldown because you can fit 2 zcb in most late wave kills

disgustingly chill

[hasty shard]

u need 100% spec at start to double zcb reliably i thiiink

otherwise ur getting off a zcb thats doing like 60 damage

[hard axle]

90+ yeah

Also Jagex, can you please look into what the heck happened to UK Worlds for US players?

I'm literally getting packet loss when previously it was my best option to pot on UK Worlds

This started 1 week before Delve

[next prairie]

I wonder when we are gonna get a New Render Update it’s almost been a month

[narrow folio]

any luck?

[hasty shard]

me, an australian player having no connection issues

[silent aurora]

any updates on the update tomorrow

[hard axle]

In like 15 minutes

[tender harness]

real?

[narrow folio]

Try Demonic Larva Tracker from the hub

[old tinsel]

Im really hoping for some nice changes on delve tomorrow

[formal sentinel]

Is this the setting you're looking for?

Man though, the number of times I see the hitsplats from my melee punish, then take the charged attack to the face and die, is unfortunate

[narrow folio]

oh nice!

[last onyx]

My venge just cancelled Delves melee punish, that's a really neat feature 😄 Love it

[round lintel]

Is this a bug or am I crazy?

I couldnt DPS to finish the boss after orb on wave 5, I see the range/mage pray above when his shield activated, I chally and instead it changed and shield was already almost done charging and killed me

Wish I had the video but I wasnt recording

[narrow folio]

I hate when it does that 😡

[last onyx]

Anyone know how i can change the color of their names to the corresponding set color?

[winged mantle]

in npc indicators i believe

[last onyx]

Thanks, but i have it on but it doesn't work. Guess i'll have to try and reset it if that's the case

[winged mantle]

worked for me

[winged mantle]

i had this just now too. was protecting mage and range so I meleed and it was still charging aka went from charge to charge spcials without any indication it had done so

[round lintel]

Guess I wasnt going nuts

[winged mantle]

probably oversight with hp thresholds/ there being no gap between when the charge specials can happen

[marsh geyser]

In wiki under doom, plugins there is a guide

[winged mantle]

i literally watched it go from pray melee range without me hitting it to shielded charge...

[last onyx]

Got it to work after i deleted all of them and retagged : ) Ty4help

[haughty magnet]

Bug boss got tons of bugs

You end up chally speccing and it changes to blue shield and because of CD you get bonked 99, loads of minor issues that’s super frustrating

Also when u dps’ing and it changes to blue shield and it negates your last attack mad annoying

[last onyx]

B5b double boulder attack at wave 8, c'mon Jagex. Make a cooldown on it, it feels so shit to die to stupid stuff like that.

''At least i died to a skill issue'' as i didn't have any visual bugs this time on the first projectile. : )

But b2b2b2b2b feels so shit

[last onyx]

And again

Can we please stop with the non-sense boulder attack b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b

[jolly zenith]

I feel u on that. 🤝

My head hurts

Double boulder attack, triple grub spawn, into Orb phase, into another double boulder mid Orb run.

All in the span of like 5 seconds

Whilst trying to keep up with the Orb pathing around fallen rocks and acid

Maybe im just bad gg

[woeful monolith]

What time does update usually drop

[last onyx]

It just lacks so much synergy and feels like a complete chaos, designed only to kill you. Not to test your skill limits as a fun end-game challenge.

[marsh sand]

1220 delves still 0 drops.. 🥲

[last onyx]

Pretty sure Jagex made the uniques close to impossible to obtain during the previous days cus of the boulder bug abuse, seems like they scaled it back yesterday. Give it a shot now : )

[fossil epoch]

45min countdown should start in 52min

[marsh sand]

Well currently the only one without drops lol in the cc

All spoons on wave 2 3 and 4

Been farming w7 for the entire time

Dry af

[fossil epoch]

Its kinda insane, going from 0 drops in 900 delves, to then get 2 cloth and a pair of boots yesterday 1215 delves now

[marsh sand]

Gzz

[fossil epoch]

surely they did something with the rates

[last onyx]

Well, drops wasnt dropping cus it wasnt possible to obtain.

[fossil epoch]

They werent impossible, just insanely rare

[last onyx]

Yupp

[marsh sand]

Guess my cgaracter missed the update 😂

[fossil epoch]

saw a few drops over the weekend in my clan, but like 1 of each kinda few

[marsh sand]

all drops in my cc are like on the wave were they are obtainable

kinda strange nobody got a drop in higher waves

[fossil epoch]

my drops yesterday were cloth on 2 and 4, and boots on 5

but i do 1-5

[last onyx]

Love the zero information approach about it tho, ''make uniques 999% rarer and say nothing''

[marsh sand]

Perhaps i should stop at 5 as well 😂

[fossil epoch]

Looking at global completions though, you will see way fewer on higher delves, because they are completed waaay less

[fossil epoch]

its not gonna improve your chances, but if its gonna improve your mental, it might be worth

The more you complete wave 1, the more time you spend having 0 chance of getting drops, and like anything below delve 4 is just worse cuz you cant get boots

[haughty magnet]

Yeah but the lower completions should offset the higher drop rate, which is not happening

We’ll only know when they release drop rates hopefully today or something g

[fossil epoch]

well that is for sure a balancing thing yeh, like wave 4 could have a 1/500 rate for boots while delve 8 could only have a 1/460

in this case if it only went down 10 each delve

[marsh sand]

What do i need to do to post image / screen here btw? 😛

[fossil epoch]

Which would result in waaaay fewer from higher delves

[haughty magnet]

If I had to compare the toughness and time it takes to finish one full 8 run I’d think drop rate would be in the range of 1/150 if you did full runs

[fossil epoch]

we just dont know how they made the drops scale

[ember token]

need to talk in the discord more to unlock image perms

#old-school message

[haughty magnet]

Based off of how the colosseums works

I would like to think you should see any drop every 300 delves or something doing full completions 1-8 and then reset

[fossil epoch]

Yeh, so if this is the scaling they used, it means you shouldnt push yourself, but instead do the highest one you are comfortable with, which for some people is delve 8, but most people it will be lower delves

im not saying this is a good thing, just thats what its looking like with what we see from current drop rates

[haughty magnet]

Delve 8 should be like 1/200 or something for any drop

I do think past wave 8 drop rates stay the same but you’re just having a max chance at drop rate

Purely based off the point there isn’t new mechanics and it takes the same time to kill

Only thing that makes you stop is acid everywhere

[dire mango]

They've never said anything that indicates droprates change beyond 8.

So it's safe to assume you get lvl 8 rates on any lvl beyond.

[fossil epoch]

At some delve level, you could argue that it becomes more of an awakened fight. And if they balanced it around that, awakened fights also arent worth it to do for farming items, but just to prove your capability of completing that fight.
That does indeed look like how they designed this aswell, that the rates are better sure, but tiny amounts, because the content was meant to be a challenge rather than an extended money maker past a certain delve

again before someone gets angry, im not saying this is good, just how it looks

[dire mango]

We don't know how it works yet.

[fossil epoch]

Indeed, thats why i said "just how it looks"

We can only speculate until they release the info

[swift ivy]

is there downtime this morning any1 know?

[fossil epoch]

non have been announced

[marsh sand]

Well the gap between 8 and the other waves is damn big

I know for sure i wont be going for my 2nd w8 lol

[swift ivy]

ty

[marsh sand]

wave 5-7 are like identical

[fossil epoch]

Yeh its very much like DT2 vs DT2 awakened after some delve point

[marsh sand]

wave 8 is just sweaty to farm

[dire mango]

The "looks" are heavily biased because of distribution of completion. The drops can be 20X more common at 8+, but you'd still currently see more drops overall on lvl2 because of the completion amount.

[red acorn]

I just feel like i need rigour for w6 - kept hittin 0's

[marsh sand]

Felt like awakened levi all over again, not as hard as levi, but then again, not comfortable enough to keep farming it

[fossil epoch]

Exactly what i said in my messages a bit higher up.
So i agree with you there

The big problem with a conversation is that the writer expect that what they said before to be included in the next message. But of course anyone coming in will just read the newest and not know what was said before

[red acorn]

Always the issue in here haha

[peak nest]

I feel like waiting on floors 6+ for the boss to drop at least 3 boulders before you go below 75% is really pointless can we just make it that a bunch drop from the roof when he roombas

[dire mango]

I saw your earlier message, but then as you were theorizing this

That does indeed look like how they designed this aswell, that the rates are better sure, but tiny amounts, because the content was meant to be a challenge rather than an extended money maker past a certain delve
it looked more like you didn't account for the possible bias.

[red acorn]

Cmon, give us the rates Jagex ^^' Need to know if it's worth my time rn aha

[copper shard]

wheres the best place to get info on the weekly osrs updates. jagex launcher is always hours behind. is it just twitter or is there another good spot, cant seem to find much in this disc or am i just blind

[fossil epoch]

25min till we get the update blog post

[ember token]

the jagex launcher isn't actually behind, it shows new blogs when they're posting right away, but for some reason you need to click to one of the other games/tabs and switch back to the osrs tab to update it

update blogs are always posted on the website at the same time as well as in #game-news

[marsh sand]

Can tell you now it isnt lol 😛 worst boss loot wise, barely making any profit if you cut out ur supplies, at least dt2 bosses gave u decent gp/h at release. Unless your a spoon that is 😄

[dire mango]

Jagex is inconsistent with what gets posted where. Sometimes they give a heads up in the previous update blog, sometimes there's jmod comments scattered between reddit, twitter and discord. But on update day you can always get the info on the update from the blog when you see the countdown timer in-game.

[red acorn]

ah I'm just a wave 5 camper on an iron so gp/wave doesn't matter haha - just wanting to compare rates sub 5 to post 5 =p

[copper shard]

thanks for replies

[willow marten]

Don’t game updates normally happen in half an hour?

Where is this blog

[red acorn]

Might appear in 5 mins

[marsh sand]

fair enough, glgl 😄 glad im not an iron tho haha, really dry af everywhere i go, have 452 cg kc still no enh

Same story at doom haha

[red acorn]

That's just the rate haha - luck will come though I'm sure

[ember token]

game updates happen about an hour from now

blog goes up 45 minutes before the update

[rapid scroll]

Did they say when the slayer updates from a few blogs ago would come?

[fossil epoch]

No

We just know they want to release it soon rather than later

and its summer sweep up so the next month is the last summer month

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/varlamore-bug-fixes--more?oldschool=1

[marsh sand]

No drop rates 🙁

[potent falcon]

The date on the post is 30th August

[teal bronze]

oooh so that's why it doesnt show up on the osrs news page for july lmao

[ember token]

fixed already

refresh

[marsh moon]

wowee grubs still not getting avas effect 10/10 bugfixes

[fossil epoch]

Elite Clue Scrolls are coming to the loot table.

[spare hamlet]

absolute tragedy on the master farmer update

[fossil epoch]

Was told it wouldnt because colo doesnt have it either, glad to see they will add it

[haughty magnet]

No drop rates rip

Mad annoying lol

[teal bronze]

drop rates are always 2 weeks after an update

[sacred raft]

good job jagex adressed the weighting changes this week in ToA..

[fossil epoch]

Yeh we werent gonna get droprates today

[safe dove]

Disappointing af update

[uneven hemlock]

No updates on melee smh

[copper shard]

so it seems its not posted in the game news channel at the same time after all

[sacred raft]

02 July - We're aware that we've still got more to change from last week's update, so we've put together a list of what we're looking to change next week:

Implement a handful of missing Elemental Weaknesses, including some Nightmare Zone variants of quest NPCs.
Adjust the TOA loot weighting changes to interpolate between the thresholds at 300, 350, 400, 450 and 500. This means that a Raid Level of 310 will have a slightly reduced weighting for the Fang and Lightbearer when compared to a Raid Level 300 encounter.

[ember token]

99% of the time it is- you can feel free to scroll back to past update posts and see

[sacred raft]

@timber drift time to do ur thing

[haughty magnet]

Yeah should’ve released it buggy boss, still haven’t mfixed most things kinda annoying not knowing if deep delve is worth it vs just spamming 6’s

[fossil epoch]

I was hoping for more fixes.

[tiny epoch]

will only purging staff bypass attack delay or all arceuus autocasts?

[fossil epoch]

They also announced a small nerf, in the case of spec energy not restoring between waves (which fits with other similar content)

[tiny epoch]

the post just mentions purging staff but like why tho

[fossil epoch]

only purging this time around

[marsh moon]

wait was avas effect on grubs fixed? cant find any mention of it but it was 100% bugged on release

[wide gull]

hopefully they reset pbs for the waves

[fossil epoch]

it says that next week they want to make it also work for eye of ayak

[wide gull]

otherwise all pbs will stay where they are at lol

[dire mango]

There is no way that is happening. They never reset pbs