game-update

[fossil epoch]

https://i.imgur.com/hFML8EC.png

[brave hearth]

Waiting for the drop rates to see how dry this is

[warped relic]

My guess is the uniques have fixed rates and every delve (above the threshold) gives another chance on a unique

[last onyx]

I assume they almost turned loot off at this point when the bug was discovered. Wave 8 takes about 70 seconds when abusing the bug.

[meager flame]

i dont think they disabled loot

if i were really guessing

i think the delve is probably a bit harder than they realized and that fewer people are going as far into it as they planned for

and that probably makes the rates look a little bit crazy

like if they planned for people to farm through to 8-12 with good gear and a little bit of work

they probably found out that means getting to 7 or 8 and resetting

and so on

[fossil epoch]

If they did that and didnt say it, thats mega bullshit lol

Surely you would announce that

[warped relic]

Yeah they didnt turn it off

Seen people in other servers get drops

[fossil epoch]

I feel going to high delves without zcb atm also would be pain

[meager flame]

i do think its a little

[fossil epoch]

someone in my clan got staff couple of hours ago

[last onyx]

Loot is on, just non-existent. Rates has probably just been made so shit that you have to be extremely lucky

[meager flame]

idk there seem to be high requirements to really do the delve the right way

like people getting quick kills and skipping orb phases and stuff

good luck without a zcb

and so on

[warped relic]

Imo the awakened levi kinda shit should be lvl 8 and onwards

[sacred skiff]

Tbow+ZCB is a completely different boss lol

[warped relic]

Like im getting fucked with specials on wave 6

[meager flame]

it wouldn't be so bad if the part that you might dps skip

wasn't also the one part of the fight that turns this from like

moderately difficult content compared to most stuff

to people comparing it to awakened leviathan

[brave hearth]

I know someone who got 2 pets already so drops are definitely on

[meager flame]

thats a huge punishment for not having great items or just hitting bad

[warped relic]

Walking under the orb and him throwing 2 rocks is that kinda shit yeah

Wave 6+ tho

[meager flame]

its just weird because there are so many great things about the fight

its one of those things that i think will probably eventually be really really good

after they spend time working on it more

[warped relic]

It’s a really good boss but some specials are in too quick succession

[winged mantle]

the main issue I've found is "consistency"

[meager flame]

i just think the difficulty spike all at once especially with multiple rocks is just like

[winged mantle]

for this boss

[meager flame]

way too crazy

lol its just so out of pocket compared to anything else the boss can do

when that orb phase happens with infinite attacks flying at you

[winged mantle]

even if the rocks spawned in the same locations so the earth orb can be consistently proced in a straight line

[warped relic]

This. And it should be that way but maybe at like 8 and higher

[last onyx]

The fight is amazing and first of its kind, now they just have to remove the bug, make wave 8 less RNG dependant and consistent.

[meager flame]

i almost think it should have just kept going for more than 8 waves

just so you were totally aware that you were leaving the reasonable part of the boss behind

people would still get there and complain though

[last onyx]

8 is perfect, it just need some adjustments and the bug removed obv.

[chrome lantern]

The boss is an insect, you want to remove it? :p

[last onyx]

xD

[meager flame]

honestly what it needs is better logic with how and when it can use certain attacks

so that you cant get like weirdly difficult moments that usually dont happen but sometimes do

[last onyx]

Wdym? b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b boulders makes so much sense

[winged mantle]

it shouldn't be able to do charge shot "hit with melee" into shield phase or vice versa

[west whale]

Has anyone found a way to tag the boulders delve boss throws in the air, im part colour blind and can't see the difference

[tender loom]

Not sure on the answer to your question specifically. Have you tried changing windows color setting in the Ease of Access menu? There are colorblind options that change the display colors globally.

[west whale]

I'd rather not change much, this is the first time it's been an issue, and it's only on level 2 + when its darker

[glass cave]

New Game Update Suggestion, continue Project Zanaris

[sullen rampart]

same boat, hopefully we see something soon although i did spoon a pet

From what I've seen most people have been seeing loot around 300-400 delves on avg

[vernal pond]

RNG is just RNG. You'll go dry here, spoon somewhere else. That's just how the game works.

[sullen rampart]

Ofcourse 🙂

[brave hearth]

i'm sure people will feel better when they see the drop rates

rn it feels like you're in limbo. afterwards you know you're dry at least

[sullen rampart]

tbh the boss is so fun so it doesnt really matter

[fossil epoch]

Weeeell

its fun, but getting my drop matters

[small oyster]

fun will never be enough by itself

[fossil epoch]

once content get over a certain threshold in how much i have to do, im not the biggest fan, am a lazy gamer

[austere mulch]

For the masses, no

Inferno is basically purely ran on fun or personal achievement after first cape

[atomic locust]

You dont deserve a drop only doing up to delve 5. The entitlement from players like you is wild

[fossil epoch]

okay guy lol, interesting opinion

[small oyster]

I don't disagree, there were still people who ran pnm before the recent double buff and even now doing that content is questionable, there will always be outliers - people who love it, people who hate it - but most people care about what they get out of it, the journey being fun is a bonus

[atomic locust]

It's not an opinion that's a fact. You have a reddit tier mindset of "oh boy i can't do the content but i should still be rewarded for it!" That attitude is terrible for the health of the game

[minor whale]

What the fuck are you talking about lmao

Saying they're having fun but would like to know how the drops scale is a pretty normal opinion

[brave hearth]

people who pose their opinions as fact are usually not worth talking to

[tender harness]

I mean its not an opinion, its a fact that this guy is

[fossil epoch]

Pretty sure i never said that.
My comment about getting the drop was made after someone said that "tbh the boss is so fun so it doesnt really matter"
Because getting the drop is a big part of the fun for me. You do seem kinda hurt about how i have fun in the game, i havent asked for the drop rates to be reduces, i havent asked for them to be easier to aquire.
I do think that you attitude is terrible for any public forum though.
I hope you get some good sleep, so you can wake up a little less angry

[true talon]

Awakened leviathan prayer flicks with enraged vardorvis mechanic spam

[fossil epoch]

I am generally pretty much against easyscape in this game

im just also a lazy gamer

[tender harness]

but real talk Jagex missed an opportunity with ent pet in fletching game give ent pet

[atomic locust]

Lol saying you don't deserve a drop doesn't make me angry but go off queen

[fossil epoch]

You do like throwing alot of insults though

[minor whale]

He's just some random alt account/banned account
Unless "Chad Gaymer" is his main with 0 boss kc, or NurvePvM for some reason doesn't exist in game

[atomic locust]

Drops shouldn't come before delve 6 but you'd whine til you were blue in the face

[fossil epoch]

Yeh it seems like a troll account

as long as he is having fun, im not bothered

[tender harness]

please dont have opinions. shit that comes out of your mouth is dumber than what I read on reddit

[atomic locust]

Ok pal sorry you can't beat delve 4

[minor whale]

So what delve clear have you gotten, would love to see it 🙂

[sacred skiff]

If you’re on RuneLite, there’s a plugin hub plugin that says it makes the boulder and attacks more colorblind friendly. I haven’t tried it though to confirm

[atomic locust]

Delve 9

Without the rock stall WHICH NEEDS TO BE PATCHED

[tender harness]

ahh yes the typical - I dont like what someone said so, we throw in the red herring fallacy, whataboutism, or non sequitur

literal

[atomic locust]

Ah yes a verbal vomit instead of proving me wrong. The best way of being proven right

[brave hearth]

when in doubt, add personal insults

[minor whale]

"Can't prove me wrong" when he's saying something that's literally just not possibly proven either way

The most tried and true argument tactic

[atomic locust]

I siad he cant beat 4 a sinple picture showing he's beaten it wpuldve shut me up

[tender harness]

you are sitting here spewing bullshit for absolutely zero reason other than your jimmies are rustled. and said bullshit is hot takes that you would see from a typical redditor

[atomic locust]

But he cant beat 4 ☹️

[atomic locust]

I want the boss to stay hard and not drop before 6. The reddit take is you thinking otherwise

Reddit whines to make it easier and more accessible. You

[fossil epoch]

Someone really did hurt him, i just feel bad

Better to just ignore him tbh

[tender harness]

you? you what? you who? you where?

[true talon]

Boss destroys my mental and I just go till I die. Get to wave 8 get synced, die and go again. Chipped away at me all weekend. Esp with deaths due to orb doing l movements, not spawning, endlessly spawning melee grubs on venom ext. boss is fun, but with no base loot , shit unique rates and unfair mechanic defeats. It really hurts.

[atomic locust]

Redditors and discorders. The ven diagram is a circle

[tender harness]

and having hot takes like no loot before wave 6 with boss that already has absolutely abysmal non uniques kills peoples desire to actually do it.

[atomic locust]

Good that keeps unique price high so people who are good at the game are rewarded

Try getting better 🙂

[tender harness]

holy fuck you are absolutely hard r gamer word

[atomic locust]

Cry is free m8 sorry you cant do the boss

[true talon]

It’s cute that you think this lol

[atomic locust]

But don't worry theyll make it easier for you. They always do

[last onyx]

<@&385422009930219520>

[fossil epoch]

Yeh, i do hope that they announce some fixes and just some info

[tender harness]

theres fixes this week AFAIK

[minor whale]

You have 15 shared servers with me brother you are a Discorder

Hop off that high horse Mr. Discord Andy

[fossil epoch]

oh i would hope so

[atomic locust]

Being in a server for information =/= using discord

[true talon]

I’m mining ameythst till changes come lol

[brave hearth]

you type a bunch for not using it

[sullen parrot]

[atomic locust]

When im being @ of course im going to type back. Brainlets galore

[fossil epoch]

Might be a long read Ash lol

[twin jasper]

[tender harness]

guy is just baiting and goating

[minor whale]

"I'm not a Discorder I'm not I don't ever use it noooo I'm not a Discorder or a Redditor noooo 😭 "

[atomic locust]

You seem personally hurt by what ive said

[tender harness]

wait till he realizes theres a search function and you can see how much hes typed in other servers

[fossil epoch]

Now he is using my wording, smart I like it

[green pewter]

This guy chose "chad" as his discord name, unless thats his name irl that tells us all we need to know about him

[sullen parrot]

Let's not start having an argument, I have a better idea, let's go make bacon a bacon sandwich

[meager flame]

idk how you guys are held back

[tender harness]

no riot because jagex never gave us an ent pet from fletching mini game

[meager flame]

lmao i would yeet people so fast sometimes

[sullen parrot]

[pastel geyser]

They got mod status for a reason and we don't

[tender harness]

no ent pet, no custodia pet pet collectors riot

[meager flame]

i mean they probably have to be overly careful but like

i've been on the internet too long to not recognize what it is when some people pop in lol

[pastel geyser]

First rule to moderation is to be moderate

Second rule to moderation is ignoring mod mail

[tender harness]

so "slayer QOL" was just that brief sweep up blog we had? that was it for QOL?

[meager flame]

yup

[pastel geyser]

Yes

[tender harness]

thats kinda

[meager flame]

they did confirm somewhere that was the only blog

and yeah the day it came out a lot of us here were like

hey those are improvements but i sorta expected more

[pastel geyser]

Myrique finals this year

And DMM

[tender harness]

thats January no?

[meager flame]

most likely

[pastel geyser]

Winter 2025 DMM

[meager flame]

they typically have a big update to open up the year

[pastel geyser]

But could be winter 2028

[torpid delta]

yea the vamp finale is next year

[meager flame]

i think he means the vampires

yeah

[tender harness]

theres nothing till Sailing really in the fall. and DMM in the winter

[fossil epoch]

Would have been fun if they added a gem crab pet to the collection log, but it was unobtainable because the crab is immortal

[meager flame]

nah

people would go insane trying to find the secret method

to killing it

[fossil epoch]

probably

[pastel geyser]

Purple Varlamore gem

[tender harness]

hopefully once sailing comes in we start getting updates again

[fossil epoch]

I wonder how big the difference will feel

its been years now

Though im guessing we will continue to see sailing updates post release though

[true talon]

They shoulda used the quest boss safety mechanic for the slam instead of the jank orb

[tender harness]

I think just the dynamic of shifting back to just doing updates for a skill verse building a new one outright would be easier id imagine

[true talon]

Safe spot lights up, you move to it and do that as many times as the boss slams

I loved the quest boss fights they felt pretty good

[hard axle]

They were easy as fk

[fossil epoch]

Actually really liked the pvm in the quest, was a fun 1 time encounter atleast

[hard axle]

Orb isn’t jank at all

[minor whale]

They had neat mechanics

[true talon]

Ofc but the mechanics was decent

[minor whale]

Also yeah orb really isn't bad once you learn it

[hard axle]

like truly, orb isn’t jank at all

[tender harness]

easy bosses but had really cool mechanics

[hard axle]

Just stop dps skipping and learn it

[minor whale]

I don't think I've taken any stomp damage in the past 100+ delves

[indigo tinsel]

Hello

[minor whale]

Never done rock skip at all and it's really not bad

[hard axle]

also dragon knives are cope as shit

Not required at all

[tender harness]

instructions unclear buying dragon knives because genomemunkey said so

[true talon]

Dragon knifes are not even remotely obtainable on an iron lol

[hard axle]

I got b3b s110 on later waves

[true talon]

Your better off grinding a zcb

[hard axle]

Without knives

[minor whale]

Typically delve 8 I start off with zcb spec to get him into shield phase faster because I'm WAY more likely to die to 3 melee grubs -> double mage orb -> melee punish -> double range orbs -> melee punish

[hard axle]

Good thing they’re useless then

[minor whale]

Than I am from just stomp orbs

[hard axle]

^

[kind sail]

felt this with no zcb

[hard axle]

Btw, the duration of orb is

[tender harness]

why the fuck is hydra 1/2001

[hard axle]

dependent on where you shoot

[true talon]

This is still using dps to skip mechanics

[hard axle]

You can force spawn a super long orb

[true talon]

Which means the fight is poorly designed

[hard axle]

Scorching now can do the same btw

Just hit bit

Big

[kind sail]

it can

but it doesnt

[true talon]

Just hit so you can skip all the difficulty I see

[kind sail]

believe me lol

[minor whale]

You can spec with a ton of stuff at the start to get him to shield phase that's way less punishing than orb slams

[hard axle]

orb slams are skill issue of the highest degree yeah

[minor whale]

I don't think it's bad design to have parts be efficient to dps out of the way, it's just very punishing if you don't learn it off the bat

[true talon]

I believe when a mechanic requires you to dps check it, then the fight is not playing very fair

[hard axle]

I just path 3 ticks to dodge the rocks for orb

Plant rocks in narnia and then proc orb and run to it

It’s legitimately braindead

[minor whale]

Yeah he also makes a noise before he slams

[true talon]

As a wow player this is a problem with health based phasing and mechanics over time based.

[minor whale]

You have like 2 ticks from noise start

Until slams

[hard axle]

I have more of an issue with falling rock stalling ur prayer

During wave 8

That shit is so cringe

[minor whale]

Yeah getting hit by a rock and it pushing you out of orb + stalling prayer turn on

Is genuinely really annoying

[hard axle]

So annoying

but I know it’s skill issue

100%

[true talon]

It just feels the boss shouldn’t be attacking you during the slam and maybe it’s meant to not so that, but it’s coded in a way that it just spams attacks non stop and it’s attack speed deeper is a lot faster. I’m sure you noticed the boss going to melee punish after a phase an then instantly going into a shielded grub state for no reason.

Boss also melees you every 2 ticks on wave 8

[hard axle]

It’s not attacking you during slam

You have to resolve the bombs that he preemptively threw at you

but he’s not throwing more projectiles at you

[true talon]

Yes he is lol. He threw 2 orbs in the air while your setting up the orb an have to get in orb dodge falling rocks and prayer flick

[hard axle]

But yes the b3b double rocks at wave 9 is terrifying

[hard axle]

This isn’t during the slams

Would make that phase damage free if it didnt attack for 22 ticks lmao

[true talon]

It’s setup to be combo during the slams oh and he will also summon 3 grubs

[hard axle]

Wave 8+ definitely has pacing issues, BUT, just like how I complained about orb during day 1-2, I will likely find out it is skill issue

I’ll reevaluate after I get like 40 more 8+ clears

[true talon]

I feel the issue is, the boss has an attack pattern, but the boss is attacking way to fast, he is spamming his abilities, because they have no cooldown. Which is why sometimes he basic attacks 4 times in a row and or sometimes does 4 double orb melee punishes in a row

It would be like Olm on cm is allowed to skip his cycle and put specials anywhere he wanted

[hard axle]

Slight pacing issues, I agree for now

[true talon]

Or verzik is allowed to skip her cycle and put his mechanics at random, so now you got 4 web phases in a row or 4 green balls on a row

[hard axle]

But again, I believe in skill issue in my case

[austere mulch]

Cooldown between same type specials is a fair ask. Don’t personally think it’s a massive issue though since it’s mostly skill issue

[true talon]

Or zuk will summon healers anytime he feels like

[austere mulch]

Like you can just play better and not have any problems, but it can also be improved slightly

Which id bet they’re more likely to make a small adjustment than they are to do nothing

[true talon]

I’m sorry but playing better does not best you hitting 0s to get to 75% hp quickly and having to deal with mechanic overload.

You can deal with it, but your not dt fault for it happening

[austere mulch]

Synq’s clip of his like 8 b2b orbs is hilarious. You can deal with it with good gameplay, so leave it as is is “fine”. But I think it’s fair to improve by adding a cd

Is what I’m saying

[true talon]

He got chanced every hit and was forced to let 3 grubs in each time, ruining his deeper run.

[austere mulch]

Or at the very least, limiting the number of b2b same specials

[true talon]

There is no dealing with it lol

[hard axle]

Yeah. If Kirby is able to solo 1-8 with 1m budget gear, that shows it is largely good gameplay driven, as obnoxious as that is.

What I do think they should add is a way to clean the acid

[austere mulch]

Yeah better way of clearing acid would be nice

[true talon]

They have one, it just work for shit

[austere mulch]

Anyone tried throwing holy water at grubs lol?

[fossil epoch]

melee worms on a fully stacked acid side is fun fun

[true talon]

The holy water punish mechanic is there to clear acid

[austere mulch]

I mean the item holy water

From legends quest

[true talon]

But the boss transitions out of melee punish into full grub shield for no reason

[austere mulch]

Ranged weapon*

[true talon]

Jagex don’t even rember that’s demonbane, it was tested and don’t work.

[austere mulch]

What if there’s a lil Easter egg that it clears poison in the grub aoe

[austere mulch]

[true talon]

Also I dunno if you ever made holy water but that process is miserable

[hard axle]

It doesn’t work post 5 iirc

[fossil epoch]

Isnt it just use the book while having vials of water?

[austere mulch]

I’ve thrown it I think twice ever and that was like… 8 years ago maybe lmak

[true talon]

Actually it does, dunno if you ever noticed that when boss gets out of orb phase he instantly throws up a melee punish

[austere mulch]

So ye, I’m unfamiliar with how to get them

[true talon]

But then he goes to a full grub shield

It’s like he’s meant to do certain cycles, but he’s broken and is confused

Which is prob due to no cooldowns on his abilities lol

[hard axle]

They should adjust it

[true talon]

They prob didn’t think people would dps past his mechanics from car

[hard axle]

I ran into the situation where

It had 2 hp and instantly shielded after car

[true talon]

Yep that is meant to be a melee punishes

[hard axle]

Mhm

[true talon]

But it skips it and goes into shielded grub

Boss is clearly broken, and most of its insane difficulty is coming from that. While it is fun, it’s clear that it’s not intended lol. Just like with how contract Yama was and his astral flare spam.

[minor whale]

But contract Yama was actually not completeable, this is completeable really consistently
I think honestly leaving the difficulty unadjusted would be good, since pretty much every pvmer who has been asking for fun hard content is saying this is the best update in a long time

[true talon]

I believe deep delving was meant to be that, you pushing 20-30-40 lvls even using the mechanics of the boss to clear the acid. It wasn’t meant to be, dps check boss skip mechanics go next floor 55 seconds later or die if you fail the checks.

[minor whale]

Just make it so you can clear acid so people can do insane deep delves

[true talon]

Yea untested and broken content will be difficult. It’s clearly not working as intended.

[meager flame]

i think thats really only a few people though

i think for most of us even people with gm

as it currently stands

they're just gonna get a bad wave 8 that just spams the prayer attacks or whatever

[true talon]

Even the insanely cracked players don’t like how unfair this boss can be lol.

[meager flame]

and they'll die

this is actually part of jagex boss design as a whole that they've always struggled with

they often dont put cds on abilities and just let random line ups occur and once in awhile

they're super unfair and way harder than the fight you normally do

[true talon]

Picture this, your on pace for record deep delve and on the next wave the boss cucks you with mechanic spam which he didn’t do the previous 20 waves and now you die and start over.

[meager flame]

its just on full display here because this boss after like wave 6

just does so many things so often

that you get to see the worst that can happen more often

[true talon]

Know what it feels like fighting doom on wave 8, he’s playing leauges and your not lol

Man’s got 2 tick t bow

[meager flame]

it tries to drown you with things simply happening and forcing you to click quickly and honestly a lot

thats why people compare to awakened levi when it happens

because you're trying to move and flick between prayers and its just like

a lot

[true talon]

Move flick setup safety net get all the grubs

Then stop the big blast

[meager flame]

thats also why i think wave 8 delve > inferno/colo difficulty wise pretty substantially

the pacing is just so high at some points that they're not even close to as difficult

the upside i guess is that when you get killed you can quickly get back

[true talon]

Can’t wait to see a hcim do delve 8

[austere mulch]

Already been done

[near widget]

has rock tech been patched today?

or do I still have hope

[obsidian venture]

Delve 8+ cape would have been fine yeah

Tbf, I do wish uniques were slightly pushed to later delves

Instead of starting at delve 2, starting at delve 4

[meager flame]

i agree honestly idk why they give loot at 2

[obsidian venture]

I dislike the wave 1-4 reset sim for bis gear

Reminds me of wave 1 colo farm in that they’re both stupid.

This is worse because it’s for literal bis

[meager flame]

tbh i think this content would've been better starting at 5

i feel like 1-4 is like a intro learning experience that quickly turns into like

basically time gating

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

Finally got to sit down and try the boss

1-4 is literally a snooze

And you can reset for bis 🤣

What a joke for promoting progression

[shadow fiber]

It does promote progression, like you get a single roll on avernics at 4, if you go to 6 you have twice as many rolls for it and that doesn't even account for the fact that higher delves have better rates

1-4 is going to be mad inefficient

[obsidian venture]

Doesn’t promote progression in the sense that, you literally don’t need to go past delve 4 if you don’t want too or if you have skill issue

Which isn’t a good sign for endgame content. Let’s folks practice 1-4 but it shouldn’t reward

[hard axle]

Knowing past balance choices

[obsidian venture]

1-4 will be inefficient but that’s irrelevant

[hard axle]

it probably isn’t that inefficient

[shadow fiber]

locking people out is not the answer

[obsidian venture]

It’s like saying entry tob should reward folks

[obsidian venture]

It certainly should be for endgame content to a degree

[hard axle]

People lock themselves out

mentally

[obsidian venture]

Locking people out isn’t a thing when everyone will yearn to somewhat learn and or get better

[meager flame]

i probably would've just made something like

if you do wave 1-4 successfully twice in a row you can choose to start on wave 5

[obsidian venture]

Mentally locking one out is the avg osrs player

[obsidian venture]

That’s cool

[shadow fiber]

I guess the maths is hard for people to grasp, but the drop rate diff is huge even if the rates stay the same

[meager flame]

and just not give people loot for 1-4

the reward would be never coming back to do it again

assuming you learned

[obsidian venture]

And guess what

That’d be fine

But rewarding folks for 1-4 is bad design

[hard axle]

Have they confirmed this or is this headcanon

[obsidian venture]

They haven’t confirmed anything

[hard axle]

cuz right now, you don’t know this

[shadow fiber]

they said unique rates would scale with delve level, but basic loot would not

[hard axle]

math doesn’t math if you don’t have the math

[obsidian venture]

You can assume the rates are ass due to the high volume of completions for those delves

[hard axle]

hope this helps

[obsidian venture]

But besides that nothing we can conclude

[hard axle]

scaling means jack shit

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

1-4 shouldn’t reward uniques flat out

[hard axle]

1/99 wave 2, 1/98 wave 3, 1/90 wave 8

that’s still scaling

[shadow fiber]

yeah that's the kind of scaling I mean

[hard axle]

wait til the numbers before being asinine

1/90 wave 8 is not better than resetting 1/99

God lol

That’s what I’m trying to explain to you

[shadow fiber]

you do know you can't get certain uniques at 2,3,4?

[hard axle]

That’s why wave 1 coliseum resets

Was a thing

it was faster to spam wave 1 for splinters before the quiver turn in

[fossil epoch]

That was mainly a thing because jagex somehow decided you needed 150k of a hunter item to charge a quiver

[hard axle]

it’s still very close

[obsidian venture]

Right but this shouldn’t be a thing regardless

[hard axle]

That’s not uniquely a charge thing, Christ

[meager flame]

also funnily enough

i swear i've gotten like 500 sunfire splinters from wave 1 of this boss

[hard axle]

My point is that if you can get 1/1000 roll in 5 minutes w1-4 with 0 deaths, it will be faster to spam wave 1-4 than a 1/800 w1-8 in 10 minutes

and multiple deaths

[shadow fiber]

1-6 doesn't take double the time of 1-4 does it

[hard axle]

We’ve seen this in action before and that’s why we’re worried

Jagex literally

[shadow fiber]

and it gives you twice the rolls

[meager flame]

its just interesting because this is one of the few bosses where i can pretty confidently say no matter who you are

[hard axle]

said 1/10k shadow <150 toa because they were also worried

[meager flame]

you're gonna mess up and flop on wave 8 the first time you see it in a run

even if you normally get well past 8

shit just happens with this boss

[hard axle]

I wish they would let you keep the loot. Sacrifice/risk it is lame

especially when it’s like 800k a wave 8 clear total

[true talon]

1-7 for tears using sharks has been my go to

[meager flame]

thats part of why the risking gameplay sucks here

because the risk is like

a lot of risk every time you start an 8

[true talon]

8 is just not worth it, in its current state

[shadow fiber]

I could defo see people skipping the later waves in a farming meta

[obsidian venture]

People are doing that already

Hence the issue

• getting uniques

[true talon]

8 feels like pet shoulda been there as an actual accomplishment

[obsidian venture]

Like that’s just bad design

[shadow fiber]

but 1-4 outside of skill issue long term is going to be twice as slow

[meager flame]

it should probably have like

[hard axle]

5-6 is 40% of 1-6

[meager flame]

checkpoints where some of your loot gets locked in

like if you make it to 12 it resets and you're only risking the next 4

etc

[obsidian venture]

That’s cool too

1-4, 5-6, 7-8

But uniques from 5+

[true talon]

But let’s be real this boss has no risk

[obsidian venture]

And we good

[true talon]

The loot is piss

[hard axle]

It doesn’t

[meager flame]

yeah i mostly mean risk in the sense of like

[hard axle]

-500k death coffee but that’s it

[true talon]

Am I gonna go deeper or risk my 497 earth runes lol

[meager flame]

you very well could die on any of these waves after like 6 lol

even if you normally dont

[hard axle]

Knowing you? You’d take the runes

[shadow fiber]

maybe based on your gear, it's a shame we don't have stats for median times

[hard axle]

[meager flame]

so its kinda memey where you just dont care about your loot unless its something unusual

and then you'd leave immediately

[hard axle]

No like, even the worst gear is that time lol…

[meager flame]

you would never actually risk another one of those fights

[hard axle]

Do you know why it’s that long?

[true talon]

Shoulda let you see the loot you will get if you complete the wave like Colo

[hard axle]

Shield phase

[true talon]

Then your choosing to go deeper

[hard axle]

1-2 doesn’t have shield phase so your dps isn’t being wasted

3-6 have shield phases

[true talon]

If treads is on the line you better hope you can finish lol

[hard axle]

Hence 5-6 is 50% the length of 3-6

But 40% of 1-6

[meager flame]

thats why you use the plugin to block the next waves loot

[hard axle]

[meager flame]

so you cant get in your own head

[true talon]

Having loot be after boss dies, means you see what you got And then you leave if it’s good

[obsidian venture]

What

[hard axle]

Fuck no

Hate that shit

[obsidian venture]

This system of seeing loot after is good

[true talon]

I think that’s true risk vs reward

[obsidian venture]

Way better than colo

[meager flame]

thats just how you give people massive amounts of anxiety

[obsidian venture]

[meager flame]

and they fail lol

[true talon]

Get good then

[obsidian venture]

You can’t say that out of most people

[meager flame]

i do think it would be hilarious if like

[true talon]

Seeing pet on your first sol better go learn it

[meager flame]

instead of allowing people to ignore it

the bosses whole body just turned into like

a giant model of the boots

lmao

[true talon]

No real risk at this boss. I see people going to wave 20 and risking like maybe 2m (inflated by sun-kissed bones and spirit seeds)

[hard axle]

I think they didn’t include pre-roll on purpose this time

Cuz people will quit (weak bloodlines) if they lose a ralos+ pet roll

[tiny epoch]

its very diff to colo right ur supposed to keep going as long as u have supplies

[meager flame]

i actually do think that game design is kind of like

toxic

[tiny epoch]

u see treads next wave when u got 0 restore 0 brew wyd

[meager flame]

percieved loss is probably something you don't really want to like

beat your players with

[hard axle]

That’s what I’m saying

[frail bough]

ngl i wouldn't mind colo allowing you to camp sol once you get there as the "endless" version they originally talked about

[hard axle]

why include just to piss people off

[meager flame]

bro if i could camp sol

[hard axle]

You can say that about a lot of things

[meager flame]

that loot table would not be safe

[hard axle]

But telling someone they lost a treads

[meager flame]

lmao

[hard axle]

Would piss them off

[tiny dew]

The hole should light up if theres a unique in there

[true talon]

I’d have no d arrow issues xd

[meager flame]

ya i think jagex sort of started to learn that loot can be really cool

if you go with sounds and visuals

they haven't really put enough work into it yet though

[true talon]

Yes

Opening the hole to see nothing is like 😦

[frail bough]

the work got put off because of official client things

[tiny dew]

Its funny they just figured out loot jingles and forgot about it at the loot boss

[true talon]

Guess I’ll go deeper

[hard axle]

Wait

This is genius

Like a shiny pokemon particle effect?

[tiny dew]

Depends which direction you wanna go

[true talon]

Big loot beam shining out the hole

[meager flame]

lmao what they need to do

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-offline-yellow-fox-hyebone-pokemon-gif-26735826

[meager flame]

well idk if you even can because destiny 2 deletes half its content now

what they needed to do

was play through the first destiny 2 raid

and feel how going to the loot room felt

[true talon]

That way when it’s a double kill you can see your shiny hole despawn while your in lumbridge

[meager flame]

thats what they need to do for osrs

like straight up have a secret secondary room

that only pops up for giga loot drops

although im ngl i think maybe some of them are familiar

[frail bough]

and it enters a cutscene of you opening the chest similar to legend of zelda

[meager flame]

its oddly similar to specifically the toa loot room

just kind of a lot cooler

lol the next raids loot room is probably going to be crazy

[obsidian venture]

Next raid is gonna be the colo system before the final boss 😭

[tender harness]

next raid is going to be just nylos 2.0 before final boss wym

[obsidian venture]

You CAN get the reward but gl

We have a nylos 2.0 and it’s ass

[tender harness]

oh im sorry nylos 3.0 and the only take damage to typeless

[obsidian venture]

It’s kinda funny seeing how much worse players can make it though

Surely

[vestal cosmos]

Yeah I suggested allowing players to bring stacks of Legends’ Quest Holy Water in order to clear acid between waves. It seems balanced to me because it’s an untradeable made through a tedious process, so players have to balance how much time they spend making holy water vs delving.

[true talon]

God fucking no, I can see the outrage

[fossil epoch]

surprised about the radio silence today

[true talon]

Apparently there is about 15 fixes on the way

Weather that’s today or Wes though, I dunno.

[fossil epoch]

Where dis info from?

[shadow wave]

I thought we were expecting them today tbh

But I guess they've hotfixed the actual bannable exploits now so perhaps they've decided not to go with an accelerated code review and wait till Wednesday.

[fossil epoch]

bannable?

[austere mulch]

The 15 minute 1 shot mechanic out of shield

[true talon]

Nox

[fossil epoch]

Where, not who 😦

[earnest vigil]

private discords

the clog clan disc, which isnt totally private in fairness but idk if it was posted in a private channel for members only

EDIT: It was in general

or in a general chat

[fossil epoch]

F

So not even a screenshot, just "trust me bro"

[thick beacon]

id love this it feels a bit whatever with the crazy beam/purple light for other content

[earnest vigil]

theres a screenshot yeah but screenies of discord is just as trust worthy as trust me bro tbh

[hard axle]

Remember the arcane spectral screenshot

[earnest vigil]

yeah exactly lol

[hard axle]

(Which one)

there’s been like 3

Afaik

the Colo incident, the nex incident

And the toa incident

[fossil epoch]

While that is true, i think the amount of screenshots being untrue, is lower than the amount of "trust me bro, this has been said"

[earnest vigil]

here ya go for what its worth

[hard axle]

This is fair

[fossil epoch]

Nice to see, that one is already different from what was said, he has a list of 15 qols, thats not saying they are gonna deliver 15 qols.
But ty

[earnest vigil]

and the reason fake pics are so effective

[hard axle]

“Boaty said WHAT off-stream” type vibes from those screenshots

[obsidian venture]

This update has been an insane arrow sink lmao

[last onyx]

Money sink in general 😂

[proper patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-hebi-sea-beach-sad-gif-11010305493599428293

[keen dagger]

Just use amethyst until you’re comfortable beating delve 6+

[vivid ruin]

This is the same person. Whats going on here? (He cant find the pet)

Found out it's tied to his rocky pet

[true talon]

unless its a market manipluation screenshot, they are often true.

anything suggestion what will be bis, is prob a scam. but information related to changes coming or something being fixed is often correct.

[fossil epoch]

Its a common bug where Dom shows up in POH without having the pet

[true talon]

unsure why this would be privately shared though, it feels kinda messed up lol.

[idle rapids]

Its the rocky pet specifically that shows up as dom

[vestal cosmos]

So is the rock bait that Gnomomkey showed off being fixed? Or is it just corner-trapping?

[kind sail]

i doubt it, its a core mechanic

i dont think they can change how the slam works without fundamentally changing the fight

[small anvil]

The rock not being destroyed when boss charges onto it is an obvious bug

[kind sail]

that for sure is a bug

[vestal cosmos]

The “exploit” that the rock bait uses is that when the boss parks on top of a rock it isn’t destroyed and eats the whole slam.

[kind sail]

I meant more so that center tile being the centre of where the slame comes from

cant really change that imo

[last onyx]

It's obv a bug and has to be fixed and what i think is the reason unique drops has been almost disabled from the boss since the bug was discovered.

Really surprised by the zero information approach from Jagex though

[tacit wharf]

how does one almost disable unique drops

[tiny dew]

Wait

If middle rock doesn’t break from the slam

Does that mean theres no slam hit box on that tile

Which means u can just stand under boss for slam

[last onyx]

Correct, almost everyone has been abusing it...

[tiny dew]

Ive seen ppl trapping it and abusing

[last onyx]

You just stand on the side and afking for 30 seconds during the car phase

[tiny dew]

But havent seen ppl let him racecar but just avoid the slam

Gonna try later tn for the funsies

[tiny dew]

Im purposely not learning that tech cuz I think theyll patch

[obsidian venture]

Yeah no point

[last onyx]

They better fix it, ruined the boss

[tiny dew]

Ehh you choose to do the tech

And you choose to compare urself to the leaderboards

[hasty shard]

not what they meant

[last onyx]

Its not tech to bug the boss and ignore the mechanics

its bug abuse

[hasty shard]

theyre asking that since you can do the rock tech, couldnt you just stand middle tile of boss

[small anvil]

I don't think so

[tiny dew]

It wouldn’t even be better its just funny

[small anvil]

The rock blocks slams from being made

Your body doesn't

[tiny dew]

But the rock doesn’t break

[small anvil]

Collision with rock is likely not the same function as check if you get hit by slam

[tiny dew]

Yea probably not

Esp cuz rocks can break behind other ones

[small anvil]

Like the logic flow is probably smth along the lines of

Check where to generate slams (rock blocks included)
Do slams, check for collision with slams
Despawn rocks that blocked (likely missing logic to check for right under the boss)

[lone remnant]

not really much to learn drop a rock and then go there at car

[tiny dew]

Nah ik its easy, just meant id rather get good at the intended way

[lone remnant]

theyre just going to fix it by having mokha kill every rock hes on

[tiny dew]

More fun doing intended anyway

[lone remnant]

not when rocks die for no reason lol

[tiny dew]

Eh that do be annoying but theres more than enough rocks to dodge it properly

Just have to position the boss well, which is hard af to do sometimes lol

[lone remnant]

I would agree with you if that was true lol

8+ you really dont have a lot of room

[tiny dew]

Yea tbf ive only gotten to 10 so I haven’t experienced how crazy it can get

Seen boatys streams where the whole room is poison tho hahaha

[lone remnant]

10 and 11 are the big boys

12 it goes back to easy again

[tiny dew]

Does it reset?

[lone remnant]

yeah poison resets every 6

[tiny dew]

Ouuu thats dope

[lone remnant]

which lets be honest, the poison staying makes no sense

he delves deeper does that shit seep through the floor

[tiny dew]

Thematically yea its weird

[lone remnant]

just increase poison by 150-200% and let it dissipate after every wave

[tiny dew]

But makes perfect sense for a boss meant to do big trips at

[small anvil]

I think just giving poison a chance to fade would be nice

Like x% dissipate between floors

[lone remnant]

yeah youll never get a melee last hit 8+

shit 6+

[tiny dew]

Yea wish the melee last hit was more of a prominent mechanic

[true talon]

I think its meant for you to bait the car ontop of the acid and then use the punish mechanic after the slam attack to kill the boss and clear the acid with the holy water. however currently that punish gets nulled and becomes a shield with grubs for some reason.

The holy water mechanic appearntly doesnt appear to work all that well

[lone remnant]

also, not enough rocks to do that

[tiny dew]

Ive heard overkill cancels it

[lone remnant]

it does

[tiny dew]

So cant scy and cant have a thrall up

[true talon]

well not just that, but if you hit him after the orb phase when he thows up melee, he will just go into grub shield mode, then back into a car.

I feel like that is not intended

[tiny dew]

Oh ik what u mean

[lone remnant]

yeah nox hally, and thrall after shield phase starts seems to be the play to limit poison a bit

[tender harness]

ngl, I do like how in the summer sweep up they basically say turael skipping is shitty

but dont actually fix it with the QOL

[lone remnant]

i love turael skipping

on god

[tender harness]

its a miserable gameplay loop

that make a lot of people fucking hate slayer

[lone remnant]

you could make that argument for literally everything in the game lol

[tender harness]

no skills have shit as efficent as turael skipping though

[short hedge]

Anyone know if this is supposed to be intentional? Arkan blade spec rolls only on slash even though the dps calc shows as rolling off whatever style you are using i.e slash/stab.

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1mbl8ck/psa_arkan_blade_spec_only_rolls_off_slash_dps/

[half adder]

Can we drop the doom loot value of the untradeable bones down to scale or equal to dragon bones? the fake 400k loots are insulting.

Might as well pump that up to 100m every drop if we're pulling numbers out of our ass.

[wheat herald]

can we please get capybara pets and hippo pet chances :((((

literally would be the best thing ever

[true talon]

Why does it even drop sun-kissed bones. its end game boss, people doing it are not gonna need sun-kissed bones....

[tacit wharf]

i mean most mains dont train prayer to start with so

[keen dagger]

Gotta have some garbage loot to filler in the rolls

[tacit wharf]

past 77/80 that is

[sacred skiff]

Yeah the bones are kinda insulting. I’d rather get another 15 chaos runes than have fake loot that falsely inflates the value of your drops lol

Also completely pointless post-99 prayer, because you can’t even sell them or drop them over

[humble heath]

anything being done about the servers?

[tacit wharf]

gotta wait till quarter ends

[lone remnant]

convert half of the f2p worlds

[humble heath]

atleast 20% of them

[hard axle]

they needed to flood it with something that has "value"

should've made boots 120k demon tears

[hasty shard]

why do they keep releasing currencies not used to make elemental rune upgrades

how tf are frozen/demonic tears not used for water/earth+ runes

[hard axle]

would be nice to strictly upgradeable runes

like infernal runes - fire runes, but 10% more mdmg

would be a good way to upgrade specific spells

[sterile breach]

It's easy as hell, not sure how much better they could make it? All I ever do is skipping and farm points only in wilderness slayer

[tacit wharf]

they can just not implement a tureal blocklist

[lone remnant]

fellas is this dom pet hella common

cause i have 3 of them

that is not normally

they boomed me

wont let me link my runeprofile why even live

[small anvil]

Clan mate has 5

But yeah probably a good rate

[lone remnant]

does he always do 8+ delves

@small anvil

cause im printing the pet on 8+

[small anvil]

Yeah

I think he does past 8, not sure actually

But it makes sense cuz pet only eligible starting at 6

If deep delving you really up the rolls per hour

[lone remnant]

honestly

real talk, it wouldnt surprise me if 8+ delves are replacing unique drops with pets

ive seen soooo many more 8+ pets than items

[true talon]

Prob, which is dumb considering they removing pet relcaims

getting a duplicate pet is now a nerf

[hasty shard]

i mean it is +500k gp technically

since theyre refunding reclaims

might be tech to hunt chompies on an iron for gp

thats what 2m gp/h

[lone remnant]

might do that for clogging

lol

[tender harness]

refund is a one and done thing no?

[vestal cosmos]

Are they also making pets not despawn on player death so you don’t need to go to Ardy to reclaim it every time you die?

[minor whale]

Not how this works I don't think

They're only refunding purchased reclaim tokens

Not dupe ones

[true talon]

They said that only purchased recaims "might be refunded" as they do not want to see someone with stacked reclaims off farming say chompy pets or easy to get pets just get a ton of gp for free.

[hard axle]

Please fucking no

They did this for Yami hotfix

[lone remnant]

A 4TH PET?

[hard axle]

He got 5 yes

[lone remnant]

yeah i feel like my uniques are being replaced by pets theres just no way

im at 4 pets now

with only 2 actual uniques

4 pets, staff, cloth 1157 total delves 73 deeps and 12 deepest

and both uniques came sub 8

and all pets except first came post 8

[novel egret]

bro

[sacred skiff]

Perfect companion to Kodai

[round lintel]

Have Jagex said anything about fixing the doom boss?

[narrow folio]

@lone remnant let's keep it appropriate when referring to ingame items

[ember token]

they actually said they wont be fixing the boss and rather theyve decided to break it

[sacred cove]

Do grubs still eat arrows?

[true talon]

yes

[nova mango]

Do we know when they're adding the slayer sweep up changes?

[novel egret]

is this real?

[nocturne solstice]

iirc they mentioned late summer

[nova mango]

Aw man.. i was hoping a week or two tops

Ty tho

[ember token]

i would never lie (im lying about that)

[novel egret]

always a little bit of truth in a lie

i feel like the boss was barely playtested

[last onyx]

You don’t say 😂

[knotty dome]

Anyone know why mobile can‘t do delve, everytime i go into the passage my game just doesn‘t load the map

[old tinsel]

Its barely playable, consider not being able to enter on mobile as a blessing

[elfin lake]

does decorating vale totems with strung bows give more offerings? or is it pointless?

[ember token]

decorating the totems gives more offerings and xp

there's not a benefit for doing strung bows over unstrung bows but with the bow string spool, you can string bows while cutting them and doing the minigame

more fletching xp per hour

[round lintel]

Tbh they have been very quiet about delve boss

I wouldnt be surprised they dont change anything xD

Not like Yama when they said everything they needed to fix same week

[icy relic]

Boss is pretty much fine as is

Could use some tweaks still but everything is doable and solvable even if somewhat janky

[fossil epoch]

"fine as is" and "could use some tweaks" is conflicting
Multiple minor things need adjustment, and we will get some of it

[icy relic]

They will have to patch certain things regardless like the wall trap

[round lintel]

The shield spam so you have to go melee is bad, the orb is still really bad, sometimes you get attacks you cant see while on the shield

[shadow wave]

My car is fine as is, but if it got a new paint job it'd be even better - that's not conflicting

[quaint oar]

It should turn blue when it goes car mode

[round lintel]

The fact that boulders cant save you from slam only in car mode is weird

[icy relic]

Car has a separate ID

You can tag it and turn it blue yourself

[round lintel]

they just fruit up your pathing on shield thats their only function

The grubs spawning on acid (where you cant control which direction acid will land)

[icy relic]

Every "fix" people have proposed just makes the boss much easier

You can step inside boss to hit grubs

[round lintel]

Show me which level you have reached

[nocturne solstice]

where uniques

[fossil epoch]

Multiple people have asked them to "fix" the car getting stuck bug aswell, im not sure that one is to make the boss easier.
But yeh people want jank fixed, cuz jank makes it worse

Also uniques dont exist

[icy relic]

I think wall trap should be legit because you have to set it up but I am not counting on it to stay

I can do the proper method either way

If they remove boulder spam that probably offsets removing wall trap

[icy relic]

Gagek is lucky I like this boss

[sacred oracle]

the main thing that 100% needs to change is mage being 0t same as melee and ranged on larvae

hopefully this week

[fossil epoch]

Might not be possible this week, we will see, its a change to how autocasting spellbook spells work in general

wouldnt be surprised if they added elite clues to the boss table aswell. They seem to forget that on releases? Yama also didnt have elites on release

[round lintel]

I dont think this will have clues. Look at colo... it doesnt have any clues

[ember token]

yeah because you choose to claim the loot, it makes clues a bit weird

[fossil epoch]

not sure why claiming loot makes clues weird?

[ember token]

ok well it's less weird with stackable clues

[main tree]

I doubt they'd add clues to the table with the potential of rolling multiple per encounter

[ember token]

but like, say you've only got a cap of 2 elite clue scrolls and you happen to get 2 elites during a delve run, can you no longer roll a third? does it just get deleted if you claim it?

putting the moon key halves on the drop table is already a bit iffy to me because it's an untradeable thing so you can't just trivially get another

elite clues are the same kind of thing

and for similar reasons that's why I think the loot is intentionally not super good

they want to encourage people to keep going

[green pewter]

They could just make clues a tertiary roll that happens when you claim loot and leave

[ember token]

to me ideally the moon key halves and elite clues would just drop on the ground so you can get them without claiming loot

[haughty magnet]

I swear I think deep delve is bugged and probs doesn’t even drop uniques lol

I’m over 50 deep delves 800+ total delves and no unique

[fossil epoch]

Just got my first unique 30min ago.
Gloves at delve 2.
Seems like most post show that uniques are dropped at their delve lvl.
But i guess that is also the lvl that is done the most

[haughty magnet]

I have yet to hear anyone get a unique in deep delve which makes me think something is up

I mean we’ll only know when jagex says something or reveals drop mechanics

Also the common drops are abysmal you’re better off just delving, where is the risk to reward ratio?

[fossil epoch]

yeh, i hope we get some info today, but since the update is tommorrow, they probably will be waiting till tommorrow to give any info

[fossil epoch]

only time i end a delve (unless out of food) is when i get a key half

[hard axle]

Given how shit the loot is, they really should just let you keep it to further incentivize going down lol

But yeah, deep delves are getting easier and easier

[haughty magnet]

Yeah idk new techs but the only thing making it easier is the all the car bugs

But they should have a way to clear acid too

In a consistent manner

I usually have to stop at delve 9 no matter what because of acid and I don’t have zcb etc to do crazy damage so floor is practically covered by delve 9

[hard axle]

even without car parking, it’s just getting easier and easier to adjust

[haughty magnet]

But I’ve now got doubts not heard anyone getting uniques in deep delve + crappy drops in general overall might need to take a break from this boss until they reveal more

[hard axle]

The stomp damage is so low that if you mess up, you’re still good

[haughty magnet]

I’m an iron meme so I’m just dumping supplies and it’s getting demotivating with all the crap drops and all the bugs related to this bug boss 😂

[hard axle]

Non-zero chance that pet is replacing rolls, but they did confirm that 8+ could get uniques at least

even without bug, it’s just setting up rocks and freestyle

I eat a stomp rather than rag a rock filled corner

it’s only -30

[haughty magnet]

Idk haven’t heard anyone getting uniques in deep delve or maybe after Yama they just made shit way to rare

Or is it more worth just going to delve 6 and restart

Hopefully more news on it today or tomorrow

I’m already out of dragon arrows so my kills just getting slower 😭

[hard axle]

Just a lot less folks completing 8+ that’s why

[haughty magnet]

I love doing deep delves but I wish there was more risk reward currently you just keep pushing till u die and your death cost only 50k

[hard axle]

Pet hunters have been posting quite a few

[haughty magnet]

It should be like fuck I could lose out on a lot of money if I keep going

Hopefully I see something soon I go to 8 or 9 every run

Also the random AA matching boulder attack and eating a 60 is not fun, so hopefully that sees a fix

[fossil epoch]

Saw the reddit post of a guy getting 2 pets in the same run lol

Where 1 didnt count on his clog

(he had 3 instead of 4 pets total)

[empty fulcrum]

Is it possible to investigate and see if it is in fact possible to obtain Heron while using shark lure? From what was said by @winter hearth (#game-update message) something has changed in the way the pet roll is calculated, and it seems unlikely that a 30 hour pet have no evidence of ever having been obtained with said method, when it was released and widely broadcasted as the best method for getting pet several weeks ago. Combined me and a few others who've done the method are about 10x base rate, which isn't unheard of, but unlikely.

[hard axle]

[ember token]

on a related note, is it possible to recieve a heron from the stranglewood fishing spot? https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Fishing_spot_(The_Stranglewood)

[pallid fable]

can we please get the bugs from LAST update fixed..? the rev caves are absolutely screwed. the only thing its benefitting is the bots + goldfarmers that know how to abuse it. all agility shortcut jumps are broken and the walls of the caves which that is just graphical..

[fading token]

The use of lure affects the chance, but I see no way for the chance to become impossible, so I'd conclude that you can get it. This is not my code, though, and I may well be misreading something - you'd be most welcome to try asking one of the dev staff instead, for a second opinion.

[fading token]

I think not.

[fossil epoch]

Why was there suddenly a blinking arrow on 1 rock during the orb phase?

or did i just never see that before?

[haughty magnet]

I’ve never seen that

I think it would be cool to have a mechanical option to use to get rid of some acid or to have the slam attack not destroy rocks but it charges quicker

Eating 40s because there is no rocks available feels bad 😦

[fossil epoch]

https://i.imgur.com/29lyIBO.png

Not surprised

[wicked axle]

Fixing it so many days after people have abused it to set unbeatable world records is a big mistake by jagex.

[fossil epoch]

Its never too late to fix a mistake/bug

[swift ivy]

yeah i feel like quick small changes like that should happen first thing monday

[last onyx]

Thank god they fixed it

[wicked axle]

No one will ever beat the current world record of wave 26 by playing the mechanics

reset world records!

[last onyx]

Now i just hope they scale loot accordingly since people have abused it for so much kc and so on, it will drastically reduce 8+ completions

[swift ivy]

but tues morning is pretty close to monday so i can give jagex some points

[last onyx]

They might reset the board tomorrow

[wicked axle]

most drops have come from wave 6 anyways lol

[last onyx]

true haha

[haughty magnet]

Well shiz

Should’ve got more kills in

[torn finch]

quick to patch the bugs that help the fight but slow to patch the 20 other bugs that make it painful

[wispy current]

The weekend just ended mate

[fossil epoch]

One part is unfair to players, the other part is affecting all players equally

much harder to salvage abuse than it is to make sure a fix works to improve the player experience

[haughty magnet]

Actually tbf should’ve fixed actual bugs before patching the one thing that made the boss bearable in deep delves due to all the other issues

[meager flame]

i kind of agree just because the car thing wasn't even that bad

[fossil epoch]

Nah, you need to remove whatever is abuseable as soon as you have the ability to, as soon as you have decided its not going to stay

[haughty magnet]

Yeah but it’s kind of like clue scrolls

[meager flame]

idk i think nerfing the thing players figured out instead of addressing all of the insane stuff the boss can do is super weird priorities

[haughty magnet]

You keep it around cause it was genuinely helping the entire situation

Then when u got a real solution you can remove it

[meager flame]

definitely play the fight the way i want you to vibes

instead of let me help make this better

[fossil epoch]

exactly the longer you let it stay, the higher the chance is that you get an uproar when you decide to remove it

[haughty magnet]

I guess it goes both ways but it’ll def be more frustrating until some of the issues mentioned by others are fixed

General drops are really bad, you’ve got AA lining up with boulder resulting in tanking damage out of your control, can’t 0 tick mage grubs etc… were bearable but now the fight will be elongated resulting in us dealing with mechanics that make no sense

[last onyx]

I for one couldn't be happier that they removed a bug that completely broke the whole system and fight.

[fading galleon]

The rocks disappearing needs to be reworked to be fairer just doesn’t feel fair at all

[last onyx]

Deliberately refused to abuse that bug and have been waiting for it to be removed

[last onyx]

We could use some more random rocks here and there, but i'm sure strategies for that can evolve now as people have to do the mechanics.

[fading galleon]

I’ve not abused the bug and have been trying to do fair it just doesn’t feel consistent

It’s a real frustrating mechanic, rest of boss is nice

[last onyx]

Place some rocks in one corner, send the boss to the other side and they won't be smashed and you can use them as your 3rd set.

[meager flame]

im pretty sure that and everything else that goes wrong with the boss

would be fixed by phases and like logic so that everything had an order

so people could have rock setups and know when car phase was going to happen and where to setup for orb phase etc

the part thats really getting people is that its not consistently the same

should also be able to control poison better

basically players need more control over the boss

so the bug was helping a lot with that

they could even do like

zulrah rotations or something if they're worried about it being exactly the same each time

the boss just shouldn't be throwing up tons of mechanics almost at random tho

[true talon]

This feels like the intention, but in later waves abilities have no CD so hes just spamming

[meager flame]

ya it goes from okay to bad to really bad to let me just die

at random lol

like when you see people getting like infinity prayer orbs back to back straight into orb phase

and they're just trying to click on everything on their screen

at the same time

lmao

[last onyx]

It could use some synergies at wave 8, that's for sure. Boulders should at least have 15 seconds cooldown, the same with melee punish.

[meager flame]

theres also minor annoyance stuff that will kill you if you aren't ready for it

like if a rock falls in your pathing for orb phase it actually cancels your movement

and you're likely also trying to do prayer orbs at the same time

and people fumble and die when that happens a lot

[drifting valley]

Anyone know if we are getting a winter summit livestream

[fossil epoch]

well not until its announced, but we usually get one, but we are far away from that

[shadow wave]

We've got roadmap content up to early 2026, so I wouldn't expect anything before December most likely

[meager flame]

yeah i'd expect the usual

earlyish december or january

it'll probably be a good one at least

good chance the next raid is in it

[drifting valley]

Ok i just watched the runefest vid

There will be a winter summit with the new raid in it

[shadow wave]

I think Bloodmoon Rises and Raids 4 are the highlights

[drifting valley]

Yeah

They will be u right

Wonder what type of boss we gona get from bloodmoon

(Probably a vampire) but i wonder what rewards its gona drop

[shadow wave]

Ed confirmed on the Day 2 panel that it would not be Draken, he wont be repeatable

I would probably expect a new high level vampyre slayer mob maybe

Like TDs but vampyre, that kinda thing

[meager flame]

also

did i just somehow never notice before

but why did holy water just fly everywhere when i killed the boss with a chally

lmao

[shadow wave]

It's a mechanic that will clear the acid and heal you if you're below 49 HP up to 49 HP

Gotta kill mohka with the melee damage from a melee punish, not the echo damage

[meager flame]

guess i just never noticed the animation

[shadow wave]

To be fair it's pretty hard to consistently kill with just the raw melee damage from a punish

[rare grotto]

what is this take

[meager flame]

ngl im discovering new things that suck a lot on this boss

like how i just killed him as he slammed so the rocks despawned and he hits a free 40

lmao

[last onyx]

Right click report button in-game and report the bug

[glad solstice]

Gonna need jagex to give us the hookup with Metzli's hairpin

[dawn rock]

Did they fix the mokha safespot?

[fossil epoch]

Yes

[dawn rock]

Let’s gooo

[haughty magnet]

I said this earlier it’s a dumb mechanic play perfectly but it still clears all the rocks and u tank 40a

Better would be to always have rocks to dodge behind and u gotta dodge when he charges you

Not just random rocks across the room despawning from a slam lmao

[kind sail]

nah theres a bit of skill to it

analyzing what rocks you have

[lone remnant]

bros acting like in game bug report isnt hooked up to a paper shredder unless you type the word 'dupe'

[kind sail]

and pathing doom properly. After a while you can get really good at it. I've taken one slam in the last 5 w8 clears

[haughty magnet]

I guess you’re right it’ll take some relearning

[kind sail]

its very very efficient and satisfying once you nail it down

[lone remnant]

Can hotfix delve boulder but can't hotfix loot on wave 8+ which is broken and they will quietly fix it on wednesday

[hexed rose]

Fuck sailing

[austere mulch]

If it turns out that deep delve drop rates are actually bugged, I hope they adjust it to where relative overall drop rates are equal to current

[kind sail]

nah they cant do that

[austere mulch]

Items are v good and drop rate/value seems healthy overall atp

[kind sail]

they have to move uniques out of 2 and 3 imo

for any sort of value to hold

4,5,6

[austere mulch]

Yeah that’s what I mean

Just shift it

[lone remnant]

uniques shouldve been 5,6,7

[austere mulch]

Toward 8

[kind sail]

yeah for sure

Its such an easy thing to do

2 3 and 4 are WAY too easy

I was thinking 4 5 6 or 5 6 7

8+ should really be much better odds

they currently arent

[lone remnant]

i just think its nuts to hotfix a bug that helps players and leave 10+ bugs/annoyances in the fight. real 'do the fight how we want you to do it' energy

[kind sail]

which one? the orb?

that was hella needed lmao

[lone remnant]

they removed boulder tech this morning

[kind sail]

oh

who cares

that shit was buggy anyway

[lone remnant]

it wasnt, but ok

[kind sail]

it was very inconsistent when it came to attacking while he was phasing

[lone remnant]

no it wasnt lol

[kind sail]

it's honestly easier to assess and move doom to proper places

to keep your boulders alive. And fun

and also not a clear bug lol

[last onyx]

Boulder tech? It was bug abuse and completely broke the whole content.

[kind sail]

literally bug abuse

[lone remnant]

so is red x, so is prayer flicking, so on and so forth

[kind sail]

not even hard to just move doom idk why people did that strat anyway

[lone remnant]

if you cant understand why people did that you're out of touch

[kind sail]

??

[dawn rock]

Agreed

[kind sail]

im assuming you cant get to 8 without it big dog

[lone remnant]

I know for me personally not having a zcb it gave me a chance to skip orb walk phase

[kind sail]

sad

gl tho

[lone remnant]

with dknife tech

[dawn rock]

Comparing prayer flicking with this is wild

[lone remnant]

is it not bug abuse

[kind sail]

the dude who found it said it was bug abuse