game-update

[meager flame]

i mean thats like selection bias 101 for irons

[frail nebula]

which is weird given that they said they didn't like it

[meager flame]

in places like this where people are more engaged

you're gonna get your more hardcore people doing silly things like

being irons

[frail nebula]

I would strongly argue that irons are more engaged with the game on average than mains

[hard axle]

Sure, then understand that 70% of the playerbase isn’t irons as well

[frail nebula]

and so seeing irons more engaged in talks is not a surprise

[tender harness]

if Irons could do math, they would be mad at this

[meager flame]

like i think it was yama where i checked it out

[austere mulch]

Yeah, it at least improves skip meta tho with separate lists which is a nice middle ground + we already got unlimited “task” boost for gm on zuk

[true talon]

Ya 20% legit mains 50% bots

[meager flame]

and realized that like

[minor whale]

Irons be like "if the game isn't made specifically easier for me I am going to bitch and moan in every channel until it is"

Recent examples: Jagex where dragon ammo farm, Jagex why not give Virtus dupe and dry protection, Jagex why not make rune packs for every rune

[meager flame]

about half of the top 1k yama kc had to be an iron

and that wasn't even counting gims

[hard axle]

Again, made up headcanon.

Let’s talk about irons illegally service 70% of time.

[meager flame]

back when we were like a week or two in

[frail nebula]

mains are literally constantly bitching about irons

[tiny otter]

I'd bet my left nut irons have more real players than mains

[sacred oracle]

like why does this channel have to constantly be an ironfest every day, with irons acting incredibly superior constantly and baiting everyone else

[tiny otter]

when something changes for mains nothing changes and it bricks irons

[frail nebula]

what the fuck are you even talking about lol

[sacred oracle]

it's a mystery

[small anvil]

Rune packs for every rune would ruin the main economy

[hard axle]

I’m not even kidding, irons break the rules more than mains when it comes to illegal services.

[tiny otter]

hahahahahahah

[meager flame]

man

[ember token]

here's your rune pack for every rune [[scar essence mine]]

[earnest marsh]

Hmm, to be fair, iron complains the most because the drop system is so thrash

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Scar_essence_mine

[hard axle]

it’s insane

[tender harness]

because don't you get it. Irons are the sweet child who never do anything wrong

[meager flame]

if i could ban people for services and kill boosting

it would happen instantly

[sacred oracle]

anyway i'm out, wake me when the irons are back in #ironman containment

[austere mulch]

FWIW There are always those “ah, I forgot this channel is mostly mains” people that like to come by 🤣

[meager flame]

lmao

[tiny otter]

if the first question for new/changed stuff isnt how does this impact irons, it's flawed the design process

[true talon]

Services aren’t against the rules, even though I wish they were.

[tender harness]

if they banned people for services and boosting you'd magically notice irons just drop

[tiny otter]

whether you like it or not iron is the pure form of playing the GAME

[meager flame]

thats fine honestly

[minor whale]

Hahahahaha

Ironman mode is the PURE FORM

[earnest marsh]

Heey, mains can just sell dupes, meanwhile irons getting they're 40th fang to shadow

[hard axle]

it’s a challenge game mode and I don’t get why med levels are constantly whining about the challenge, which largely is supply and gear constraints

[tiny otter]

pure gamewise, yes, how hard is that to understand

irons actually play the game 🙈

[meager flame]

i think theres just that line between people trying to have fun with the mode and people just wanting everything to actually be easy

[small anvil]

Ugh irons preaching iron supremacy

[hard axle]

Rsn?

[minor whale]

It's so pure to play the MMO game in a way where you can't interact with other players

[hard axle]

Trying to see if you’re another med level with basically 0 kc

[meager flame]

like for my shadow i wish i could just deposit gp instead of having to hop 234234 times buying chaos runes

[earnest marsh]

Wait, doesn't most mains also do that?

[tiny otter]

mains preaching one side of the fence then just going back to vork or zulrah to buy the new item /s

[hard axle]

cuz I stg, Tassili might talk a lot of shit

[minor whale]

Irons have to do everything! (Like skip grinds added by Jagex solely to make iron experience easier)

[meager flame]

i'd still pay the same gp ultimately

shops just blow

but some people would probably try to remove the gp fee

[hard axle]

But he and Turkey are basically the only two regular irons here that talk shit

[austere mulch]

I know a LOT of irons who’s 99s, quest capes, and even a handful of kc grinds came at the support of a VPN

[hard axle]

And can back it up

[austere mulch]

A lot of mains too ofc

[tiny otter]

mine is bigger dont you worry 🙂

[hard axle]

There’s a few more, but most irons that talk shit can’t back it up

[austere mulch]

But proportionally more irons anecdotally

[meager flame]

i just dont get those people

like

i play my iron to go do the things if someone else did it for me

wtf am i doing

lmao

[minor whale]

No guys irons aren't catered to that's why we added dry protection at bosses and dupe protection to bosses and a whole slew of bosses that grant easier to acquire offensively fantastic gear from mid game sources that requires basically just barrows tank gear to get, no guys please we're playing the pure form of the game

[tiny otter]

more irons interact and play the GAME as a whole than mains ever have is that such a foreign concept?

[small anvil]

People who are rich in main game find new things to do

[tiny otter]

if you want to login and only do woodcutting on a main? fine but you arent playing the game

[minor whale]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[small anvil]

One common one is rolling an iron

[tiny otter]

you're woodcutting

[hard axle]

I love when the same people default to “it’s just a game, have fun” and then spout iron supremacy when they lack logical arguments

[small anvil]

Then they use all that gp on services including illegal ones

[tiny otter]

for the most part the economy doesnt matter for irons, yet always recieve the negative consequences

funny that

[true talon]

Yea but they idiots, because RuneScape is about the journey. Rushing to the end is just ruining the game for yourself. Once you reach the end it’s really bad game. I’m to point I look at my
Boss clogs and it’s all pets, which I don’t wanna do lol.

[meager flame]

they just need to read stormlight archive books or something

journey before destination blah blah

[austere mulch]

It’s mostly people who are maxed or near maxed on mains with a lot of excess gp. Or mains that are quitting their main entirely and dumping their banks into more tedious grinds like cg

[small oyster]

GP is a tool for mitigating bad design, irons generally have to suffer through that. It's wouldn't surprise me if irons used services more

[hard axle]

A 1200 total iron is not better than a 1200 main. Both are irrelevant cuz both don’t play

There’s a reason why endgame irons are so rare and that’s because 95% of them quit when they have to actually grind.

[tiny otter]

the mindset of "why would I mine coal when I can do X boss for more coal/hr" is itself toxic

it's why mainscape is balls

[meager flame]

all rs is like that though ultimately a lot of people just wont get it until they get there themselves

the whole game is the journey

once you have everything you have nothing to do

[hard axle]

you’re legitimately the only psychopath with 2 maxed irons from scratch @true talon

[true talon]

Yea because your a main who has to supply literally everything you’d use and it’s often extremely tedious

[earnest marsh]

Yep agree, i know when i get bowfa, im like hes now i will just grind very small dps increases now

[true talon]

A lot of end game irons de-iron but they are often freaks obsessed with speed running and other made up end game activity’s

[tiny otter]

and end game iron sucks, mechanically so

[small anvil]

No one thinks this but irons. Mains buy it on the ge

[hard axle]

100k surge pot 4s

[tiny otter]

..thats what I just said? main reading comprehension or?

[austere mulch]

I mostly agree here, but also when you’re playing the game for a second go round, typically most of the enjoyable content is toward the end so people want to rush to it. Or it ends up being more efficient to do so and people value their time. Unfortunately end game content is also limited so there’s only so much time you can spend there too before you burn out

[small anvil]

Irons are the ones doing zulrah for coconuts

[tiny otter]

if you can do zulrah for 1hour and spend that gold on nothing but coal

you will have 10x the amount of coal over mining it

[true talon]

I did 1725 Yama and got 96 barrels of demon tallo, don’t think it will ever see the light of day lol

[tiny otter]

you are trading an activity for gp

[small anvil]

So irons don't do zulrah to get coconuts?

[meager flame]

i cant wait till sailing comes out and i can psychotically try to hit 99 on my iron and main at the same time

and probably hate everything about water by the time its over

[hard axle]

Buddy, he’s saying irons are the only one who think this.

You don’t mine coal period because bosses and monsters shit them out.

[small anvil]

Instead of picking them like guthix intended

[earnest marsh]

Torva, oathplate, cerb boots, necklese kinda is just so insanly invisbol dps increases

[true talon]

Facts I don’t mine coal I kill stuff that ate the bots who mined coal

[hard axle]

I did MLM to 99 and that barely made a dent on the 50k coal from pvm

[earnest marsh]

You will not feel any diffrence

[small anvil]

Like don't pretend irons actually mine coal

To get coal

[tender harness]

why are irons the one who screech the loudest, its funny as fuck. they blame mains, but yet participate in more illicit shit, have more things catered to them, and have this air of im fucking better than you when their game mode has been made drastically easier over the years.

like fuck.

[small anvil]

That's just silly

[tiny otter]

it's a hypothetical jesus

[hard axle]

So dumb fucks saying that irons actually mine coal and mains don’t

[tiny otter]

mains cant even think in those

[hard axle]

Reading comprehension is lacking

[small anvil]

This guy's actually a parody

[tender harness]

be patience the tism is strong with that one

[hard axle]

“Just a hypothetical” after getting called out is as lame as “it’s just a joke”

[chrome lantern]

There's definitely way too much catering to irons but some stuff doesn't make sense to just slap irons specifically in the face with while being a nonissue for mains

[meager flame]

tbh you gather almost nothing on your iron intentionally

[small anvil]

"I feel superior because of my game mode"

[chrome lantern]

Like chromium ingots existing at all is only to slap irons in the face

[small anvil]

Brought to life

[meager flame]

herbs being one obvious exception

[hard axle]

Yes I agree with this

[true talon]

It’s also weird that mains look at every change as an iron catering one. Noobs need mid game activities too.

[meager flame]

most of the time though bosses just like

rain shit on your head until you have 99 smithing banked

and so on

[small anvil]

I think the chaos runes being added everyone has issues with

[tiny otter]

more often than non irregardless of irons, mains are thought of first (and sometimes only)

[earnest marsh]

True, i want bosses to stop drop resorces

[hard axle]

sorry, I forgot, you’re also a endgame iron that taps here @chrome lantern

[small anvil]

But I'm pretty sure it was intended to be for irons

[chrome lantern]

I was more broadly talking but yeah also true here

I just meant in general

[tiny otter]

how you going to design an all encopassing game for a subsect of the playerbase that doesnt interact with alot of it?

[hard axle]

Neither do irons

[small anvil]

People do interact with it

[tiny otter]

haha, cute

[true talon]

I feel these slap mains way more. They are alch value and if you get one on iron it saving you 40 rune ore and Addy ore.

[frail nebula]

okay I wanna take a step back here because you literally are the one failing reading comprehension here

[chrome lantern]

It's true though

[small anvil]

The economy is so that people interact with everything

[frail nebula]

Mains don't think about mining coal because they think to buy it with gp

that they made from everywhere else

[austere mulch]

Treads, conflicting gauntlets, zenytes in general, ferocious gloves are all very noticeable increases wym

[frail nebula]

so you don't think about getting resources on a main as much as you think about getting gp

[meager flame]

ya most iron strategizing is about how to skip over as much content as possible while picking up every relevant item along the way

granted you do end up doing most mid game to end game bosses

but you skip a lot of early stuff

[frail nebula]

people talking about irons skipping tons of stuff miss this point IMO

[austere mulch]

Depending on the content, oathplate too. And eventually when there’s actually a reasonable max hit threshold, Torva. Though Torva is a tiresome grind

[tiny otter]

but they dont, what

[chrome lantern]

Also more broadly speaking, scar essence is the perfect example of ironmen avoiding interacting with content, but that's more of an issue of runecraft balancing

[hard axle]

Buddy, he’s saying “mains think this way”.

Geek is saying that’s not true at all because you get it from pvm, not GE, and irons aren’t mining coal in large amounts.

If anything, irons buy resources from foundry, specifically gold ore. And yes, I’ve done this on an iron back in the day.

Hence why it’s reading comprehension lacking.

[true talon]

Just saying you will hate the game as an iron if you rush to very end game and you login with your content choices being.

Phosani, chambers, corp, nex lol

[hard axle]

Used a bad example and got called out for it

simple as that

[tiny otter]

and I'd also say it being locked behind dt2 tbh

[earnest marsh]

You think 1 dps increase is huge difference dps? Damn my oses journey so different now when i can hit one more max hit

[austere mulch]

Titan prayers were such a good add, minus the fact that augury sucks

[frail nebula]

he's saying that mains think about farming for gp instead of resources

which is true

[small anvil]

Just because an individual person doesn't do every content doesn't mean it's not done by someone

[meager flame]

runecrafting is a skill that is simply not made for the iron game mode whatsoever lol

[chrome lantern]

Quest cape is early game buddy

[small anvil]

That's what the economy is

[tiny otter]

pre dt2 sure

🙈

[frail nebula]

the economy is so that mains can depend on bots

[meager flame]

like it just doesn't handle your actual runecrafting needs

[frail nebula]

like unironically bots do prop up a massive percentage of main gameplay

[tiny otter]

so that mains can depend on others, specifically

[chrome lantern]

dt2 bosses mega nerfed you can facetank them

[true talon]

It’s just another system that is dated when the best spell cast was blood fire wave

[earnest marsh]

Yep, imagine if there were no bots, runecrafting proboly be closer to 5m an hour

[frail nebula]

isn't it 5m/hr now

it was like 8m-10m/hr a week ago

[tiny otter]

maybe by 2030 we'l just have rune packs for every rune

[earnest marsh]

True blood altar is 2m

[meager flame]

idk what they can even do for rc

[small anvil]

No, between 2-3 with scar essence souls

[frail nebula]

nah soul rune crafting with extracts

[meager flame]

i feel like if they were to yeet bots

[frail nebula]

it did get up to like 8m/hr recently

[meager flame]

they just need like

a giga rc buff lol

[small anvil]

The peak profit was higher at 470

[frail nebula]

rc needs giga buffs tbh

[hard axle]

Except that’s not by choice. If you could delete bots, that would unironically benefit mains massively, particularly the low level ones.

Idk if you even played back then, but you made money from doing everything back then because bots didn’t steal our labor.

Running monkey nuts to GE was legitimately 3m/hr.

[meager flame]

like you just make so many fucking runes its crazy

[earnest marsh]

Ye but wait some few days untill bots are made for it

[small anvil]

But price has been between 430-440

[meager flame]

that would be the only way to fix it

[austere mulch]

Just to point out the obvious here, using the flat value is a terrible way to compare. A 1dps increase when your dps is 5 is a 20% buff, compared to a 10% buff when your dps is 10

And then you also consider the time required to get that item which provides the increase

[tiny otter]

brother, more than half of what you use for pvm is bot infested

[hard axle]

Only irons and moronic mains would say “bots are good”

[small anvil]

And with ge tax it cuts profit

[tiny otter]

prayer would go up 10 fold

[frail nebula]

when is this mythical time when there weren't bots

[austere mulch]

Relative, percentage based increase, is the metric that matters

[true talon]

Wont happen sadly. Bots control all the resource gathering. It’s why it was moved to boss tables.

[earnest marsh]

Ye and when you get torva

[frail nebula]

also why tf do you think I'm saying bots are good

nobody thinks bots are good

[earnest marsh]

You proboly have good max hit

[hard axle]

There are periods when it’s LESS bad

[meager flame]

ya that would be the other thing

if they were willing to buff rc for real like massively

[tiny otter]

mains being like "get rid of bots we'l be fine" when bones go upto 10k/ea

[meager flame]

they would have to remove runes from loot tables

[tiny otter]

[frail nebula]

there have always been brief periods before bot makers realize something is super profitable

[austere mulch]

Hasn’t been a good max hit threshold from Torva in years

[meager flame]

and actually tell you to rc

[small anvil]

Mains do benefit off cheaper prices from bots I agree on that from nebuli

[austere mulch]

And won’t be until scythe hits 52

[frail nebula]

you mean like how they nerfed rune drops a few weeks ago lol

[hard axle]

And that’s fine, it means green dragons are 2-3m/hr now.

[frail nebula]

and then didn't buff rc

[tiny otter]

no bots main buyables become alot more expensive

[earnest marsh]

Yep, but also I guess 500hours for one more maxhit sometimes is awefull

[small anvil]

But like they also attack the profitable things to do

[meager flame]

they only nerfed the bots activities though

not the bots themselves

[frail nebula]

my point was just that I don't think a main really realizes how much of their content is subsidized by bots providing cheap supplies

[meager flame]

they'll just go farm up whatever new method gets the most gp if runes rise

and stabilize the price

[true talon]

Bring on the delves I’m happy for content they will progress my account for once and not be niche side grade lol

[austere mulch]

Well, yeah. That’s where the time to get the max hit matters. Like zentyes are generally pretty quick to get 4 unless you go absurdly dry like I did lol

[meager flame]

the bots themselves would have to die

[earnest marsh]

They make skilling content not that profitable as bots will abuse it, so irons or main players get hited for no reason

[hard axle]

Yes, especially around the time RL just released, it was much better as a main because you could get to p2p via f2p moneymakers.

[frail nebula]

unironically I am pretty sure that adding official plugin support to the official client may be their endgame for this issue

[hard axle]

And I’m saying that’s not a good thing and Jagex should undo as much as they can.

That’s why GE Tax exists.

[frail nebula]

I fully agree on this

[hard axle]

It’s not

[frail nebula]

and I think the GE tax should be even higher frankly

[hard axle]

Did you see how fast they got Steam client jailbroken?

[meager flame]

i mean as a main i love the bots

[tiny otter]

10% take it or leave it

[hard axle]

1 ducking week

[frail nebula]

I've played plenty of other MMOs which have perfectly healthy economies with like 15% taxes

the game would survive with higher taxes

[austere mulch]

Before bonds were released in OSRS, I paid for my first few months of membership by superheating steel and mith bars, depending on margins, and transfering to rs3 for bonds

[meager flame]

those boys been covering for me needing to buy some of the worst supplies ever for like

20 years

[austere mulch]

How times have changed

[frail nebula]

and it would massively improve their ability to drain items from the economy

[small anvil]

Eh, high taxes just means the spread is bigger

[tiny otter]

you see that's exclusively a main only change and a nerf so it'l never happen

[frail nebula]

whether or not it ends up being effective is another question

[small anvil]

And people start moving off market

[frail nebula]

I'm just pointing out what I think is their thinking

[meager flame]

i really do kinda want to experience osrs as a main in a world with no bots

[frail nebula]

the thing is that most people are not going to move off market

some people will

[earnest marsh]

Yep, zenytes are good outside very minor torture, still good tho, but probably ain't going to notice it. Anguish and embrace is good.

But shadow is nice again when you don't have good gear, but full ancestral is more rare then tbow and imbued heart is insane grind

[frail nebula]

but most won't

[small anvil]

15% people would

Absolutely

[frail nebula]

Probably not

[meager flame]

i just want to see what it feels like when everything is actually worth the effort to obtain it

[tiny otter]

you'd spend almost an entire day trying to do a slayer task unable to get food/potions

it wont be

[meager flame]

i mean i wouldn't

[earnest marsh]

That's why iron gamemode got added 🙂

[small anvil]

Instant selling costs double the tax

[hard axle]

I’d argue that the scale of our economy and even RS3 has always been larger than other MMOs, especially as of late.

I had a 15% tax on a 2k population and people opted to set up overnight shops than use auction halls.

[meager flame]

im also a maxed iron lol if all else fails i can go get it myself

[frail nebula]

I've played other MMOs with similar systems and people usually don't move off market for anything except the most expensive items

[meager flame]

i just want to know how it would feel to be able to like

[small anvil]

The spread between instant buy/sell is proportional to the tax

[frail nebula]

for the most part

[meager flame]

trade that effort

[frail nebula]

people just don't want to be bothered with the hassle of going off market

[small anvil]

Cuz flippers need to have a margin to flip

[frail nebula]

it's not worth it unless it's a huge purchase

[hard axle]

People act like it’s impossible to send humans to do the labor and then just pay 30k for a prayer pot.

[frail nebula]

like a megarare

[earnest marsh]

Ye 2% is basically anything

[small anvil]

Then you lose another tax on that below that

[earnest marsh]

1b is like 20million,

[tiny otter]

you wont pay 30k a ppot tho

[small anvil]

15% tax means instant selling loses like 30%

Vs selling off market

[meager flame]

it would just be crazy because like

so many things in my bank from just playing would actually have value

[small anvil]

People will go off market for large purchases if that's the case

[frail nebula]

yeah, which is why people would go off market for stuff like mega rares

[hard axle]

I use sanfews and regen pots for basically everything?

[frail nebula]

that's how it works in other MMOs I've played with similar systems

[hard axle]

[small anvil]

Or like a big stack of supplies

[frail nebula]

for the occasional huge purchases, people go off market

[austere mulch]

If bots were banned and never came back up, the people that would suffer the most would be the ones who carry large amounts of gold or mega rare items like 3rd age

If most of your bank is in supplies and relevant gear, your buying power would in theory remain about the same

[hard axle]

Like, why you speaking out of turn on what I can or can’t do?

[plush gull]

how are you not poor like me

[hard axle]

I don’t skimp

[stone token]

Glad the barronite mace is getting a boost, but why not have the barronite mace combine with the granite hammer to give the boost, as to make it useful as a component?

[meager flame]

i feel like the math would just change so much on like

supplies from active skilling methods for example

would have way more value

[hard axle]

People don’t like potting with cheap fuckers when you know they can afford it

[sacred skiff]

Because barronite mace grind suuucks lol

[hard axle]

Two fucking heads and now I need the skilling component

Help

[meager flame]

like you'd actually get paid essentially based on how terrible and time consuming certain things can be

[sacred skiff]

Having just gotten the GM time at GGs anyway, I'm curious if the hammer will actually slap there

[frail nebula]

because it's f2p and they didn't want to give f2p players something that's not awful lol

[hard axle]

It’s literally in my bank

[meager flame]

where currently you can rely a bit on the bot army to handle it

[hard axle]

Someone said no, it’s only 5% worse than maracas

[ember token]

they wanted to make it better but f2p irons complained it was better than the rune scimitar

[hard axle]

GM time is free now btw

[sacred skiff]

Lol I ended up tossing the one barronite head I got on the way to the hammer

[plush gull]

i didnt even have 500k to buy more ammy darts for inferno so i sold my blowpipe and busted out the hunters crossbow. i wish someone had told me to use it earlier, its hardly 10% worse than ammy darts with good range and attack speed

[hard axle]

Just do the hally method

[sacred skiff]

Figured I'd never bother with that nonsense

[hard axle]

Pray for big specs

[meager flame]

yeah the halberd is randomly insane

[hard axle]

It should be better ngl

[meager flame]

when you dont expect it to be

[sacred skiff]

I ended up getting it with upgraded death charge + surge pots

[hard axle]

it’s untradeable

[sacred skiff]

and chally dawn, yeah

[frail nebula]

nox hally isn't even the thing responsible for insane times we can get now

[hard axle]

Venator bow made it like a 1/15 chance just passively getting it yeah

[frail nebula]

that's all on the chally

[sacred skiff]

No scy cuz unspooned iron but it's much more doable than it used to be

[meager flame]

like if you were killing shamans for some reason in 2025

that halberd bangs

[hard axle]

You bring both

[frail nebula]

you absolutely do

because it's a way easier switch

but the chally is the main reason the times are so much lower

[sacred skiff]

I'm just trying to build up a buffer into GM CA points lol so I don't instantly lose double thralls just after getting them

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/pot-tob-tob-theatre-of-blood-tob-osrs-osrs-tob-gif-17602136797791003259

[frail nebula]

you can get off the full chally spec and burn the attack delay waiting for the boss to phase

same story with zulrah

[hard axle]

Fair

[sacred skiff]

Hally at zulrah is sick

[frail nebula]

the nox hally is great to have

makes it all a lot more comfy

but the chally is what really destroys them

[meager flame]

theres also other weird modern things

like i equip oathplate and now my dhl is a slash machine

[hard axle]

[frail nebula]

dhl on slash at olm because you have oathplate is funny

ngl

[vivid ruin]

Chally spec is super inaccurate

[hard axle]

It could be better if it wasn’t lacking 7 str bonus and we could fuse Torva + oath together for that

[frail nebula]

not with oathplate it isn't

[true talon]

Not much different than it being on crush while having inquis

[chrome lantern]

Hitting 140s is a pretty good chance

[frail nebula]

that is also funny

[true talon]

When we getting stab armor

[hard axle]

Inq made more sense cuz hammer rng

[true talon]

Stab armor and ring

[sacred skiff]

mixed hide lol

[hard axle]

but I’m still annoyed they didn’t give it a better passive

[sacred skiff]

ez

[frail nebula]

wdym we have stab armor

mixed hide

[meager flame]

also thank god they fixed slash fang

[frail nebula]

brimstone boots

[meager flame]

can you imagine

[frail nebula]

that one helm from BA

[hard axle]

we have stab armor, it’s called fang and Torva

[true talon]

Slash fang with oathplate lll

[frail nebula]

behold the stab accuracy meta on the left

[true talon]

Pre nerf slash fang

[hard axle]

Yeah eat a nibbler for that

never suggest something that disgusting again

[frail nebula]

oh god I forgot that the ardy cloak is technically BiS for stab acc

[small anvil]

Remember when the helmet was crush

[frail nebula]

what, the dwarven helmet?

[small anvil]

Yeah

[frail nebula]

now we have the zombie helmet (:

[hard axle]

Anyway, back to the game update

Please do not follow through with rune changes.

[true talon]

Slayer changes Look good
Rune changes are bad

[frail nebula]

the rune changes manage to be bad for literally everyone

[hard axle]

If anything, start considering combo runes as EXCESS.

[frail nebula]

slayer changes are fine

[earnest marsh]

only do it if you make a better way to get soul runes 😮

[hard axle]

For example, 1 lava rune would count as 25 fire runes

[frail nebula]

if there's one thing that can unite irons and mains

is that these rune changes fucking suck

[small anvil]

Just scar craft them silly irons

If you don't have the rc level, tough

[true talon]

I think 1 soul 2 death 5 fire is better

[small anvil]

I'm happy souls cost a lot now

[chrome lantern]

Just 1 soul

[hard axle]

I think we should buff it back to 50 fire runes

[chrome lantern]

No death, no chaos

[small anvil]

People sticking to blood altar was silly

[hard axle]

and make lava runes count as 25 fire runes

[small anvil]

For gp

[frail nebula]

I don't get why dark demonbane has to be nearly as expensive as a shadow to use

[hard axle]

[true talon]

Fine with me, you can scar ess like 5m fire runes in no time lol

[hard axle]

It is disgustingly strong at Yama

[small anvil]

It's getting nearly the same effect

[frail nebula]

and that is the only place you use it

[small anvil]

At yama

[meager flame]

im pretty sure the overall cost of dark demonbane is just some guy trolling since the dawn of time

[true talon]

With the delve update it’s gonna be so strong

[meager flame]

like

[hard axle]

Jokes on you, I’ve bought over 5m blood runes via shopscape back then

[meager flame]

they totally just put down some random rune costs

[hard axle]

[chrome lantern]

Also delete mark of darkness and put it in the spell base power

[meager flame]

and it stuck

[frail nebula]

they literally never thought about it until yama came out

because prior to yama

[small anvil]

It made more sense when souls cost under 200

[frail nebula]

not even a single person had ever cast dark demonbane

[true talon]

God yes mark is so fucking stupid

[meager flame]

no someone actually asked during a Q&A

[chrome lantern]

Kril CA

[frail nebula]

why can't the demonbane spells literally just be strong against demons

[meager flame]

and the dev laughed and was like fire runes are cheap

bc i guess the basic math eluded them in the moment

[frail nebula]

why do they need another spell to make demonbane spells actually be demonbane

[meager flame]

they legit thought it wasn't almost as expensive as a shadow

[frail nebula]

they're literally called demonbane

[meager flame]

this was like

2 years ago too

i think lol

[true talon]

Mark is a dumb mechanic

[meager flame]

wait no

[tacit wharf]

no tureal/aya nuke, im disappointed

[meager flame]

i remember when this was

i think it was in relation to tds

[true talon]

If mark was retired and its effect baked into all spells, I don’t think anything would change

[meager flame]

ya we would just spontaneously enjoy the game slightly more

[small anvil]

Less yama gp sunk

[frail nebula]

literally everyone would just enjoy the game more

[small anvil]

From people dying

Forgetting to reset it

[lost tulip]

lmaoo true

[true talon]

Worst is when mark and heart desync

[sacred skiff]

Eh just cast mark before fight (with purger equipped) and then during second Judge

[meager flame]

bro i messed up recasting it a few times ever

[sacred skiff]

never runs out

[frail nebula]

yep, the entire point of mark of darkness is to troll you when you no longer 1 shot a voidflare because you forgot to switch from emberlight to purging staff when you cast mark of darkness

[meager flame]

and now i have like

ptsd i just recast mark every add phase on yama

lmao

[frail nebula]

I do the same lol

[small anvil]

The purging staff mechanic is the real troll

Let it apply in inventory

[frail nebula]

nah

just delete MoD

that's the real fix

[sacred skiff]

The troll is when you have a purged MoD active

then misclick and re-cast it but with emberlight on

[small anvil]

I think 5 min mod is fine honestly

[frail nebula]

purging staff increasing the duration was always a stupid bandaid fix

[small anvil]

Whatever

[sacred skiff]

and it tanks your MoD duration lol

[frail nebula]

until jagex can admit that MoD is bad

[meager flame]

i mean its insane at 5 mins

its like

imagine you had to recast raid buffs in wow every 5 mins

lmao

[frail nebula]

but at 5m what's even the point

[true talon]

Shadow veil and ward should also be 5 minutes by default

[small anvil]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'm not saying it needs to stay

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-buff-buffs-the-witcher-geralt-gif-4543689896181194301

Casting mark of darkness be like

[small anvil]

But the difference between equipped and not is nonsensical

[frail nebula]

Charge came out in 2003 with a 7 minute duration lol

and we're still worse than that

[chrome lantern]

Lmao true

[meager flame]

i just think that they hit the sweet spot of wtf why does this exist

[true talon]

Mark used to have to land on the target

[sacred skiff]

Dang now I wanna know what he was going in to fight with all that shit lol

[small anvil]

Is mod different runes

[vivid ruin]

7 mins and works on a low tier spell

[meager flame]

its not short enough to be part of your moment to moment decision making

[chrome lantern]

Charge shouldn't exist anymore either tbh

[meager flame]

but its not long enough to forget about

[small anvil]

I don't even know lol

[meager flame]

it exists just to annoy you

[sacred skiff]

Like maybe Godrick? kinda looks like his hallway

[chrome lantern]

Just make the MA2 cape increase the maxhit by 10

[frail nebula]

god spells should just scale up in damage at 75 magic tbh

or capes

like we already have a precedent in the standard spellbook for spells scaling up in damage at certain levels

[meager flame]

its kinda like how rooftop agility sucks

its not afk but its also not engaging

you're just there waiting on it

[small anvil]

I wish heart had a grace period to refresh the buff

As an aside

[chrome lantern]

I wish heart had a more common drop rate

[small anvil]

But my investment!

(I am being facetious please don't get mad)

[meager flame]

i wish it was a normal potion and people weren't blasting post 99 slayer like demons to get some random drop by slaying 30k araxyte for no reason other than this drop

lmao

[frail nebula]

I'm really sad they didn't even mention the heart here

it's a pretty glaring issue with slayer

[chrome lantern]

?

Where is the skilling part

[minor whale]

Slayer

[frail nebula]

slayer is a skill?

[small anvil]

Slayer is a skill right

[sacred skiff]

Slayer is a skill ig lol

[chrome lantern]

The actual link gets rid of the skilling part

[minor whale]

It is a weeeee bit silly of a name

[frail nebula]

tbf nobody calls doing slayer skilling

[minor whale]

To be like yo skilling blog (it's just slayer)

[vivid ruin]

Hard to say. Theres so many bosses im still finding more after years of playing

[chrome lantern]

Hunter rumors show why slayer shouldn't be the only way to train a skill

[meager flame]

tbh

[frail nebula]

I like hunter rumours

[meager flame]

hunter rumors would be much improved if it had the new slayer block list ui

[frail nebula]

unironically they do feel like a way better take on the idea of slayer tasks

[chrome lantern]

Yeah rumors are alright but they're just a subset of a skill lmao

[frail nebula]

oh yeah

for sure

[sacred skiff]

Problem is half the bosses are just a repeat of the same boss.

[vivid ruin]

Agreed

[earnest marsh]

rumours are nice bandaid for hunter tho

[meager flame]

setting up the rumors block list is honestly terrible gameplay

[sacred skiff]

Which wouldn't be a problem except they're not the interesting bosses

[small anvil]

Let me kill slayer bosses without task but no helm buff

[meager flame]

but its nice when its ready

[frail nebula]

wait are you named after ford from fe8

[sacred skiff]

I'd really like in souls games if you could re-fight a boss you'd already fought without doing NG+

No I'm named Ford after my irl name lol

And his name was Forde, which did make me excited

[frail nebula]

oh right

[chrome lantern]

Harrison Ford

[sacred skiff]

I just thought Lloyd in fe7 was the coolest shit as a 10-year old lol

[frail nebula]

oh yeah that's lloyd

lloyd was cool as shit

wish he was recruitable

but alas

[sacred skiff]

ughhh i know

[frail nebula]

how dare irons stop me from recruiting lloyd in fe7

[vivid ruin]

Definitely irons fault 💯

[chrome lantern]

What is fe

[sacred skiff]

Average iron behavior smh

Fire Emblem

[chrome lantern]

Oh

[frail nebula]

real irons let their units stay dead

and don't reset

[sacred skiff]

I'm a filthy resetter ngl

[frail nebula]

once my thrall runs out

that's it

I'm never summoning that thrall again

[sacred skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-batman-no-problem-first-try-gif-12803885

[vivid ruin]

Pray waste tbh

[arctic stratus]

Kinda disappointing that it feels like it's just slayer tbh... Was at least hoping for aerial fishing changes

[hard axle]

Remember when you had to pass an accuracy check to land mark of darkness

[ember token]

because it is just slayer

sarnie made a mistake naming the redirect to the blog post

[chrome lantern]

Unfortunately I died to Kril 5 times

[frail bough]

slayer is a skill

[chrome lantern]

So Yes I very know

[hard axle]

and it cost you 5t each time

[frail bough]

therefore skilling

[still sundial]

nothing wrong with aerial fishing

[chrome lantern]

Going for that CA

[hard axle]

Flaming is also skilling, but Jagex won’t recognize it

[arctic stratus]

Everything wrong with aerial fishing lol it's clunky it's a mess and the drop rates are beyond criminal in every regard

[hard axle]

Back to the dungeons with you

That shit is awful

I’m still hunting golden tench

[sacred oracle]

yeah aerial fishing is incredibly bad

just the worst minigame

[hard axle]

1 hour every year

[vivid ruin]

What? I need 3k pearls for a weildable fishing rob?

[hard axle]

dude, I do asinine methods and grinds

And aerial fishing is

[tacit wharf]

its not even the catching of the fish really either (its still bad) its the dropping fish simulator

[frail nebula]

Who doesn't love carpal tunnel

[austere mulch]

The best part about aerial fishing is teleporting away after the first 3 minutes because even making it that long is an accomplishment

[frail nebula]

hear me out

new right click option for pet cats

feed all fish

[vivid ruin]

Or getting a good random powernap in after a few minutes because your eyes glaze over the moment you get to the island

[sacred skiff]

You'll have some garfield-lookin ass of a cat lmao

[meager flame]

this was me

[sacred skiff]

Oh lawd he comin'

[austere mulch]

If I were asked to say something nice about aerial fishing, the only thing I can come up with is “it exists”. And I’m not even sure that is a good thing in itself

[meager flame]

funnily enough i was about to say my first reaction to it was "why does this exist?!"

[still sundial]

it's chill on mobile client, one of the few activities I prefer there over kb+m

[meager flame]

like what sick person did this

[sacred oracle]

everything's wrong with aerial fishing that's possible to be wrong with a minigame

[frail nebula]

it was really funny seeing how much time alienfood spent at aerial fishing

that's how he trained fishing and hunter

what a madman

[sacred oracle]

poor xph, poor gph, extremely tedious game play, no strategy, wildly overcosted rewards

it feels bad and it is bad

sometimes content feels bad but is actually useful, and sometimes the other way round

but this one somehow ticks all the bad boxes

[sacred skiff]

post-99 mixology :(

[still sundial]

I am considering going for 2nd fish sack once I get fishing barrel, so I can have both variants in the costume room

[earnest marsh]

punished for maxing

[sacred skiff]

It's lame that your points/hr never increase after 82

[frail nebula]

this is why involuntary commitment is a thing

you need help :(

[austere mulch]

Rather do 6 months of hard labor in a North Korean prison than do one nerd log of non stop aerial fishing

[tacit wharf]

its take about that long to greenlog

[hard axle]

Or hear me out, release-all

[frail nebula]

that makes too much sense

[hard axle]

Don’t add functionalities to pets

[frail nebula]

we need the abyssal cat upgrade to consume them

[hard axle]

I’m serious

[frail nebula]

this is just cats though

[hard axle]

Still pet

[frail nebula]

it's fine for cats to have functionality

[hard axle]

no

[sacred skiff]

Nah only Baron can eat all those fish

[frail nebula]

abyssal cat upgrade when

[sacred skiff]

Get dukin'

[hard axle]

Cthlonian Cat?

[frail nebula]

infernal and chthonian cats

maybe a xau-tak one too

cathulu

[hard axle]

But yes, hear me out

[sacred skiff]

Cathulu is the one

[hard axle]

Shadow now consumes 2 Soul and 2 Blood Runes

[sacred oracle]

[[shadow]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Tumeken's_shadow

[frail nebula]

plus 80 fire runes for good measure

[chrome lantern]

2 soul 1 wrath

[frail nebula]

they're cheap so it doesn't matter

[hard axle]

I definitely am not biased and not want to smuggle thralls everywhere

[chrome lantern]

2 wrath 1 soul actually

[frail nebula]

tumekan wasn't an angry guy though

[small anvil]

Lol wrath usage

[hard axle]

Gl irons that spoon it and now need 95 RC

[chrome lantern]

Good

[hard axle]

good good

[small anvil]

Wrath isn't shop able right

[frail nebula]

correct

[hard axle]

nope

[sacred oracle]

soul rune costs are out of control, i still can't believe jagex thought increasing soul runes for thralls was a good idea

[small anvil]

That would be hilarious

[sacred oracle]

everyone on reddit is mad though so i doubt it goes through

[chrome lantern]

Scar-able not shop

[sacred oracle]

i wonder what they'll propose instead or just keep it same as it is now

[frail nebula]

fine fine fine we'll replace the 4 chaos runes with 4 soul runes

spit the difference and make everyone even more unhappy

[earnest marsh]

buff shops

for the 11111111111111m time

[hard axle]

Yeah, as much as I don’t like it, scar did impose a good requirements by still requiring you to get the levels before mass buying runes

[frail nebula]

they literally already made a better shop system for leagues lol

[small anvil]

Nah screw shops

[earnest marsh]

really? what did they do

[small anvil]

Make runecrafting meta

[frail nebula]

infinite stock

[earnest marsh]

yee idk why it cant be infinty stock

such a big L

[small anvil]

I don't want runes to have a ceiling of shop rune price

That's bad

[frail nebula]

I do feel like jagex has fundamentally misunderstood complaints about shopscape

[hard axle]

shops are basically a dated design to set a base price back in the day and make it easier to sell to pre-GE

[frail nebula]

And misinterpreted frustration with the shop system as a sign that people don't want to buy from NPCs in general

[earnest marsh]

its kidna it alredy

[frail nebula]

When it's really just that the system sucks

[austere mulch]

But it’ll save inventory space!!!

[small anvil]

Except we blew past shop price on souls

It's a soft cap limited by restock rates

[austere mulch]

You won’t need bloods for thralls but you’ll still need them for dc

[earnest marsh]

ye, i mean over 400gp for a soul rune

and we all know that crafting soul runes is so aids

[small anvil]

Weve been over scar price for a while which is objectively funny

[finite tapir]

i thumbs-down'd the #game-news post not because of the content, but the post says july 23rd instead of the 23rd of july

british game

[frail nebula]

I mean they're kinda chill to craft if you just have 90 rc

[sacred oracle]

unnecessary word

they're trying to save valuable cpu cycles

[earnest marsh]

zeah is still bad way to make souls

[frail nebula]

it's not that bad

[small anvil]

Enjoy shopping then

[frail nebula]

true soul altar would be nice though

[small anvil]

Souls is chill

[sacred oracle]

i just want souls to not be triple the price they were before yama

[frail nebula]

but we aren't gonna get a true soul altar until we get a new desert patch

[vivid ruin]

Dense essence needs to stack more than 2 invs

[sacred oracle]

[small anvil]

It's a good thing souls cost real money now mox

[frail nebula]

so you want souls to go back to only being used for the shadow?

[small anvil]

It was so dumb that souls was worse money

And some people stuck to blood

At zeah

[sacred skiff]

Thralls are so strong though

[tender harness]

crush confirmed

[sacred oracle]

it's not a good thing if you're using them! i usually support high prices, but it's insane how much it costs to use spells now

[frail bough]

I wouldn't mind if they made it stackable and the more you have stacked the longer it takes to mine more or some weird thing

[sacred oracle]

there's gotta be a middle ground

[sacred skiff]

Magic has always been pricey

Thralls are free dps

[frail nebula]

wait is this literally our first screenshot of anything from varlamore p3

[small anvil]

I bought shadow post yama release oops

[earnest marsh]

just add a uniqe to yama that unlocks a shortcut to true soul altar or something

[sacred skiff]

and with Aethers, don't even take more than a divine rune pouch to combine with death charge

[tender harness]

#game-news

[frail bough]

or even make a spell so you don't have to go all the way to the thing to imbue your dense ess

[tender harness]

10 minute video dropped

[sacred skiff]

Yep def someone using blud at moki

Curious if it outperforms emberlight

Would be kinda wild

[sacred oracle]

the screenshots are usually fake, aren't they

[tender harness]

another crush boss

[sacred oracle]

they never reveal actual gameplay

[sacred skiff]

This is a vid from Jagex though

[tender harness]

this is literally from the video

[sacred oracle]

remember bandos at zulrah

[sacred skiff]

in game-news

[frail nebula]

oh shit I missed that

[tender harness]

this is 100% real

its from the video that dropped

[small anvil]

Panic buy tbow

It's in the thumbnail

[sacred oracle]

yes and the videos are usually random gear

[sacred skiff]

twow

[tender harness]

the boss was also designed with crush in mind

before they scrapped the demonic thingy

[sacred oracle]

no wonder crab doesn't have a pet

it can't be killed

[sacred skiff]

Demonic Digger my beloved

I really don't get why the crab exists lol

[tender harness]

RC exp

[earnest marsh]

whats this?

[sacred skiff]

but ig if it makes it easier to find ammo crab worlds in leagues then I'm chillin

[fossil epoch]

rewards from final dawn

[earnest marsh]

ahh runecrafting xp from quest

[fossil epoch]

funny that only the combat xp is in a lamp form

[chrome lantern]

Yeah the colo video used full inq didn't it

[tender harness]

[chrome lantern]

And people shot up inq mace price

[hard axle]

good good

[sacred skiff]

Honestly I think the crab's shield is pretty cool

Prey-mimicry is a real thing

And he doesn't actually look like that, it's his arms

[austere mulch]

Melee range boss. Calling it now

Melee (crush) the door, scorching bow when door is boom boomed

[kind sail]

range and crush boss

[dull wedge]

Where do you buy the rune pouch from MTA? Its not in the dudes shop upstairs

[fossil epoch]

Karils skirt gonna be insane

already bought 500

[austere mulch]

Genuinely didn’t see the image in the announcement channel before I made that comment LOL

With the masori + bow

[frail bough]

panic buy max assembler capes!!!!

[tender harness]

levithian and muspah inspiration

[fossil epoch]

with or without masori kit?

[frail bough]

blue version only ofc!

[kind sail]

im so good at guessing

[sacred skiff]

masori kits to the moon

[tender harness]

blowpipe stonks

[rustic goblet]

Literaly half of people were guessing this lol

[sacred skiff]

Avernics look noice

[kind sail]

still called it 😎

[frail bough]

damn crazy that was 4 months ago though

where is the time

[sacred skiff]

I do still think "Eye of Ayak" could have been named differently though lol

It's got "eye" phonetically in its name

[kind sail]

so could the ralos

so could the boss name

so could many many things

[sacred skiff]

Toenailz of ralos slaps

[tender harness]

signets

[rustic goblet]

True

[hasty shard]

except its not a prey its a predator 😭

[rustic goblet]

👍

[hasty shard]

it is a boss

[hard axle]

It’s being absorbed clogging

[hasty shard]

said boss is called DOOM of mokhaiotl

[hard axle]

and pet hunting

[sacred skiff]

We're the predators

He's a lil guy we're gonna abuse at level 8 for as long as we can

[hasty shard]

ok why is a fuckin ant an endgame boss

[sacred skiff]

Hunter x Hunter, qed

[hasty shard]

this is genuinely my most hated design in the game

[hard axle]

Yeah I’m gonna bully until he gives me the pet

[kind sail]

man i was like ill be getting this eye of duke soon to make another axe, cant wait to get masori before it goes up in price

idk why I keep falling for this

[hard axle]

[tender harness]

because you didnt send enough tob

[sacred skiff]

ngl though idk how many people "Enjoy" Leviathan though lmao

[dull wedge]

Anyone know where to buy rune pouch at MTA? I checked the shop and went through the reward guardians dialogue and its not there.

[hasty shard]

send agility

[hard axle]

They got inspired by Solo Leveling

[austere mulch]

Most importantly, Ayak doesn’t see to have standard shipping projectile travel delay

[tender harness]

send help

[sacred skiff]

That's not released yet

[hard axle]

Might call it Beru

[hasty shard]

did they unironically

[hard axle]

No clue

[sacred skiff]

Oh right SL did ant final bosses more recently

[hasty shard]

stop taking inspiration from zzz content i swear

[hard axle]

But is it 100% accuracy

[hard axle]

checkmate

[sudden bane]

what are the alchemist signets or whatever? do we know

[dull wedge]

Its in the "other changes" section of the update post. I dont see anything that says its a future update.

[ember token]

that's not an update post

[sacred skiff]

It's not an update post, it's a blog post about future updates

[ember token]

updates are on wednesdays

[sudden bane]

its not an update post at all, its telling us whats coming

[true talon]

Nice inquis stonks

[frail nebula]

yeah hold up wtf was up with that section

or rather its absence

[austere mulch]

Inquis going back up to the 1.2b I bought it for

We EAT

[chrome lantern]

Eyeak

[sacred oracle]

boss looked good until I saw it was heavily inspired by leviathan and whisperer

now i'm mildly apprehensious (sp?) (edit: oh it's not a word, i wanted apprehensive)

will be first in line to smack boss on wednesday tho

[frail bough]

The ent or w/e it is spawning at 5:22 in video is weird lol

[vivid ruin]

Did they change design of doom?

[frail bough]

spawns then runs of screen lol

[sacred skiff]

p sure it's always been a burrowing bug with a big shield arms

[vague viper]

Nope no change 🙂

[sacred skiff]

used to be we could get a piece of that shield and make it a shovel :(((((((

[vague viper]

Oh, yeah the shovel didn't go through to poll 😦

[sacred oracle]

i even took wednesday/thursday off

[sacred skiff]

ngl I'm just gonna hope work is slow Weds lol

Taken too much pto already, need to save some for end-of-year holidays

[vivid ruin]

This face i dont think i remember ever seeing lol 😆

[sacred oracle]

i can't wait to see how troll the gear in the videos is

they always put fake shit in the video to mess with people

[sacred skiff]

Grant us eyes

[hasty shard]

if the videos honest im kind of assuming it has flat armour

[sacred oracle]

if inspired by levi/whisp, that does suggest it might be a mage/ranged boss

[hasty shard]

so crush scy isnt bis

although its jagex balance so scythe would still be like 2nd/3rd

[sacred oracle]

but it could just as easily just have a bunch of minigame interludes (whisp) and high-speed prayer switching (levi)

[tender harness]

Surely shovel comes back right? dont let reddit be the judge jury and executioner of something fun

[sacred oracle]

nah shovel is dead af

[tender harness]

1500 andy who does no farming killing shovel

[sacred skiff]

shovel fully dead fn

[vivid ruin]

Bring back digger. This isnt redditscape

[sacred skiff]

Because one dude on reddit was concerned about snape grass lmao

[sacred oracle]

i think it was high-level players that mostly complained about demon spade

[hasty shard]

you dont understand they're KILLING the games whimsy

[sacred skiff]

And 700 sheep agreed

[vivid ruin]

Digger wouldn't have made really any change to farming other than saving probs a min per farm run

[sacred oracle]

xp rates innit

[true talon]

Bring back the digger

[sacred skiff]

Like post-99 farmers?

[true talon]

Big qol to irons and prep chambers

[sacred skiff]

can't have the fragile tree meta shaken

[sacred oracle]

i didn't really care about the rates. i was fine with an active method being better than trees

[sacred skiff]

I literally just want it for herbs. I would sac all xp

[woeful kettle]

panic buy inquisitors, crush is being used

[true talon]

Same

[sacred oracle]

i wasn't so fine with the name so i was glad of the change

[sacred skiff]

And snape grass if I run low. Also no xp there. Just not spending 4 minutes harvesting a patch

[sacred oracle]

demonic digger was a risky thing to type

[frail nebula]

I'm really curious what the alchemist's signets that the stalkers will drop are going to be

Probably something you can use to get herblore ingredients?

[sacred skiff]

Did they do anything beyond mention them by name? I skipped that part of the video tbh

[frail nebula]

they said they were carried by traveling alchemists with herblore supplies

[sacred skiff]

hrm hrm

[frail nebula]

maybe we can turn them back in to some alchemists

and they give us herblore supplies as a reward?

just a guess, at least

seems like that'd be a reasonable way to have the stalkers drop a lot of different herblore ingredients without clogging the inventory

[chrome lantern]

I feel like it might be the orb

The shield orb thing

Is the levi part

[sacred skiff]

Oh yeah like the abyssal pathfinder

[frail nebula]

that part reminded me of royal titans too

since it didn't look like it was moving?

[sacred oracle]

i just hope it's fun for people like me who aren't the best pvmers

[chrome lantern]

I think it did it one clip

[frail nebula]

ah nvm then

[chrome lantern]

Gonna look again

[sacred skiff]

By design at least the first few levels should be super accessible

[sacred oracle]

i don't want it to be as easy as noncontract yama, but if it's as hard as contract yama, that's not gonna be a fun grind

[frail nebula]

oh yeah it did move with the player

[sacred oracle]

though i guess other people might enjoy that

[hasty shard]

its rooted to the ground

[frail nebula]

maybe you do something with those crystals that pop up

and that gives you a shield?

[sacred skiff]

repeating level 8 might take more pvm skill + gear

[hasty shard]

i do kind of hope it means the boss gets bigger the deeper delve you go

[sacred skiff]

Surely magic will be used though

if he drops wand + gauntlets

[frail nebula]

I will just say that it might not be as hard as yama

[sacred oracle]

i just want to be able to do delve 8 without feeling like i'm doing a woke boss over and over

[frail nebula]

back when yama was pitched

[hasty shard]

im doubting it though they're seriously going to make you fight this 3x3 dweeb in a massive arena on fire 😭

[frail nebula]

they pitched yama as the endgame update of the year

even when we were also expecting the delve boss

it might well end up being easier than yama

[sacred oracle]

woke stuff is good for one-off content, but i don't want to grind something like that

but we'll find out!

[upper aspen]

it's clear to me that Dinh's Bulwark is gonna be bis at the doom of mokhaiotl

[hard axle]

Don’t say that

[shadow wave]

I think the boss is rooted on the spot, so range or mage will defo be the play

[hard axle]

You’ll manifest it

[shadow wave]

Otherwise you're dropping tonnes of ticks

Given how much movement seems to be required

[frail nebula]

I'm just pointing out what they said when they pitched yama lol

[hard axle]

Yes yes I know

[sacred oracle]

i think hlc will riot if it's somehow easier than yama

yama is so boring in p1/p2

[sacred skiff]

HLC riot? never.

[hard axle]

It really is

[frail nebula]

hlc will riot no matter what happens

literally no matter what

[frail nebula]

well, I think the delve boss might not have that issue

[hard axle]

are the hlc in the room rn

[sacred oracle]

yama kind of missed the mark for me because it's either too easy or too hard

[frail nebula]

since we can repeat the hardest version of it over and over

[hasty shard]

hey now, delve boss has 7 levels of p1/p2 difficulty !!!

[sacred oracle]

i'd like something more balanced

[frail nebula]

without having to also repeat the earlier phases

like

they might very well be addressing that specific issue

obviously we'll see how it plays out

but it might address it

also the avernic treads are kinda ugly, ngl

[sacred oracle]

i kind of like them

[sacred skiff]

Oh I think the treads look pretty cool

[sacred oracle]

i don't think they match ranged gear at all tho

[frail nebula]

I feel like they equally don't match all styles

[hard axle]

they’ll clash no matter what

[sacred oracle]

they seem to only match melee and fuck every other style

[sacred skiff]

Def made to match torva, as usual

[frail nebula]

I don't think they even match melee lol

[sacred oracle]

i'll wear the shit out of them anyway though idgaf

gimme dem boots

[frail nebula]

well yeah the stats are absurd

[sacred skiff]

I hope they're comfy

I have wide feet

[sacred oracle]

i hope they come with insouls

[frail nebula]

prims and eternals look cooler though tbh

[sacred skiff]

Prims pinch ngl

[sacred oracle]

insoles?

[sacred skiff]

Oh that could be it

Gotta farm a separate insole drop lmao

[hasty shard]

someones gonna have so much fun editing every wiki guide to have treads as bis

[sacred oracle]

inseouls

[frail nebula]

I think it was telling that when they showed a new magic setup with the wand and gauntlets

they... didn't show the boots

[sacred oracle]

i'm most curious about the wand

[frail nebula]

also they had an amulet of torture on

[sacred oracle]

do we have the stats for it?

[frail nebula]

yes

it's very good

[sacred oracle]

oh, then it might already be in one of the dps calcs

not the wiki one, but the spreadsheet

[sacred skiff]

It's like way ahead of sang, a bit behind shadow

[hasty shard]

i SWEAR they said they werent doing a stupid orb projectile for it

[sacred oracle]

rat boy, do you know if it's bis at anything?

[hasty shard]

nightmare mb

[sacred skiff]

nylos

[frail nebula]

wand's gonna be bis for magic at nylos

[hasty shard]

im not draco

[frail nebula]

just because it's 3t

[sacred skiff]

prob nm too

[frail nebula]

yeah, most likely

[sacred oracle]

poor sang

i should sell it

[hasty shard]

i have cope in my heart that its bis at whisperer

[frail nebula]

they did explicitly say they want it to still have use after you have a shadow

[sacred oracle]

(won't)

[sacred skiff]

I have cope it will at least let me get one whisperer time CA lol

[sacred oracle]

i really wanted it to be 2-tick so it was a blowpipe but jagex didn't listen to me

[frail nebula]

2 tick staff sounds like really scary rune draining rates ngl

[sacred skiff]

I wonder how it will be at olm

Better dps, but shorter range and weird speed

[frail nebula]

yeah I'll be curious to see how that works out

[sacred skiff]

means someone better than me will need to find a new mage hand pattern lol

[frail nebula]

it might be really good?