game-update

[meager flame]

its not even in collection log is it

the helm i mean

[kind surge]

they're adding it

[meager flame]

oh

yeah they shouldn't

they should just leave it as some random crazy person goal

[fossil epoch]

That sounds like what the collectionlog is

[meager flame]

as soon as you put anything on the log you create pressure from players to make it more easily obtainable

because now instead of it being some vague super rare thing they dont care about

its a goal

[rustic ocean]

is this expected to be wednesdays update?

[kind surge]

no, next update is varla p3

[chrome lantern]

Yeah but that’s an issue with clog not with the items being in the clog

Like realistically the clog will never be completed

[kind surge]

this blog will be after it

[meager flame]

yeah but they've spawned a monster now

tons of people just play to fill it in

[chrome lantern]

Which is why Jagex shouldn’t bend to, “Oh, the stale baguette or jar of darkness is too rare!!!”

[rustic ocean]

thanks

[meager flame]

and jagex has to bend to them

they're the people paying to play the game

[chrome lantern]

Jagex just needs to grow a backbone and say that cosmetics are cosmetics and it’s fine to be rare

[kind surge]

probably not the week after p3 but it should be like within a month after considering it's a small blog

just depends on update scheduling

[rustic ocean]

just because people choose to go after that doesnt mean the game needs to be catered around them

[meager flame]

it sorta does though

like if you're jagex you're stupid if you aren't making the game better for the people playing it

[rustic ocean]

the vast majority of players thinking filling the clog is cool, but in no means expect to completely fill it

[chrome lantern]

And then separately recognize that imbued heart and nightmare orbs are not “flex items” but actually have significant effects

[brittle ore]

The collection log existing will always make some people chase it, but responding to that by being too scared to put obvious clog items on it ruins the point of the clog imo

[meager flame]

so the more people you create that want to do something and they find it too hard to whatever

the more likely it is that you should change it

[chrome lantern]

I think putting it on the clog alone is fine

[meager flame]

they're basically creating a trap for themselves where they logically should make things easier over and over

[rustic ocean]

I find your perspective weird.

[chrome lantern]

I think simultaneously making it over 2x as common

[kind surge]

I'd rather have the mask in clog anyways, it would suck so much if it doesn't broadcast in cc

[chrome lantern]

Is feeding what you’re saying

[minor whale]

You can ask most cloggers
They almost across the board don't want things made easier to get lol

[rustic ocean]

that would devalue their accomplishments

[brittle ore]

With 3rd age existing the clog will never be completed, it's nice as an infinite goal to the collectors out there. And collectors love collecting, so adding more stuff to it is a win to them lmao

[rustic ocean]

its the reason they dont play rs3

[chrome lantern]

And yet we still had an overwhelming vote for jar of darkness/stale baguette

[meager flame]

yeah because if you ask you find the most hardcore and engaged players

if you put up the poll you find the silent noobs in the background that would rather things be easier

[rustic ocean]

ive said before, the fast majority of players arent extreme cloggers, thats why

[meager flame]

which group do you think already did something and wants to protect the accomplishment

and which has yet to go for it

[rustic ocean]

I dont think we should make the game easier

QOL needs done, but making possible accomplishments easier? no

thats like saying "most players want an inferno cape but cant get one, wre gonna make it easier to get"

[meager flame]

they have

several times

its inevitable

[rustic ocean]

okay but im saying they shouldnt.

and QOL if different than making the game easier

adding runepouch to mta,=QOL

reducing the drop rate of an item that is already obtainable =making the game easier

[frail nebula]

Why tf are they making dark demonbane even more expensive

That's an unhinged change

1 soul rune for fucking 4 chaos?

[kind surge]

it'll likely not go through as is

[brittle ore]

I do think tweaking difficulty (in both directions!) is correct if the Devs genuinely feel like the reality missed the mark on what they wanted, but the inevitable pressure to make stuff a little easier has to be taken into account with those tweaks. The Devs listening to feedback and polling changes etc is incredible, and a big part of the benefit of the game, but players aren't game designers so you always have to take a suggestion with a big pinch of salt

[kind surge]

hopefully

[rustic ocean]

removing trvial monkey waves in TOA=QOL

Reducing spawns and making later waves in inferno more doable=making the game easier

[rustic ocean]

its an ironman QOL

[frail nebula]

No it isn't lol

It makes it dramatically worse for irons

I am an iron

[kind surge]

ye it doesn't really make it easier for irons

[rustic ocean]

lol

come on

400 gp versus 300 gp

[merry lantern]

having the wildy bossing being opt in for non krystila tasks would be nice. also having fire/ice giant combo tasks would be nice for titans. but the first would be much better. love the slayer qol though

[chrome lantern]

?

[frail nebula]

???

[chrome lantern]

4 chaos runes is more expensive than a soul rune

[frail nebula]

4 chaos runes is way worse than 1 soul

[chrome lantern]

From shops/scar ess

[rustic ocean]

i know, thats what I said?

400gp is what 4 chaos runes cost

[chrome lantern]

So how is that “iron qol”

[rustic ocean]

it was a joke

[chrome lantern]

Not a very clear one

[thick beacon]

still waiting for radiant and blorva kit to be on there

[frail nebula]

This also means we can't have thralls, dark demonbane, and the buff spell all in one rune pouch

This is a good awful idea by Jagex

Literally worse in every way

[rustic ocean]

read the post a little more, theyre making thralls cost soul runes.

[brittle ore]

Is the number of chaos runes you get passivelyish (drops, gotr) vs soul runes a relevant factor in ease of casting the spell by the time you're using dark demonbane a lot? Could well not be, but I currently find chaos runes pile up quickly compared to soul

[frail nebula]

That's even fucking worse

[chrome lantern]

They need to just delete Mark of Darkness already and build the effects into the demonbane spells

[rustic ocean]

im not trolling?? it literally says that

[chrome lantern]

Ok wtf

They literally wrote that in since the last time I read it

That wasn’t there a half hour ago

[rustic ocean]

did you not read the blog but you're in here arguing about it?

[chrome lantern]

I’m not joking

That’s literally an awful change

[frail nebula]

Where is it though

[chrome lantern]

In the section on Arceuus spell tweaks

[frail nebula]

It's not in the version I'm seeing

[brittle ore]

The thrall change is right at the bottom

[chrome lantern]

Exactly!

[frail nebula]

Oh the thralls change?

[chrome lantern]

They can’t just… change the blog and not say anything lmao

[frail nebula]

That one's fucking awful

[meager flame]

ya its just the existential dread of runes and shops

idk what they can do but its just

not good

[frail nebula]

These rune changes are unambiguously fucking horrible

[chrome lantern]

I figured it out

At first they said “Resurrection spells”

[meager flame]

i mean us getting runes shouldn't be bad to begin with

[chrome lantern]

Which I assumed meant reanimation of ensouled heads

[meager flame]

thats whats really wrong about it all

[chrome lantern]

And they “fixed” that

Now the blog blatantly says thralls

Yeah that’s a gross change

[brittle ore]

It did say thralls an hour ago to me, but idk if they changed the wording back and forth since then

[meager flame]

lmao you know what i wish we could do

i wish we could go buy an ironman variant of runes from a shop and it just has an infinity symbol on it and we can buy X

[chrome lantern]

Simultaneously makes it more expensive to use thralls on a main and far worse to get the runes on an iron

[meager flame]

they're just untradable

[chrome lantern]

Good move

[frail nebula]

I think we now know why they delayed this blog post

Because it's bad

[meager flame]

idk how else they can really get at runes

[chrome lantern]

Devalues my scar essence mine

[meager flame]

they've had like 90 years for runes and it just

never dies

[kind surge]

well saying the entire post is bad is a bit extreme, the slayer changes proposed are good (though they are missing the other possible cluster tasks)

but ye the rune changes are weird

[meager flame]

ya i think for the most part the changes are improvements aside from obviously weird rune stuff

[brittle ore]

What I'd give for a shop update that tweaked how stock works. It just forces people to worldhop and look at loading screens for most of their playtime, and afaik they've said spam worldhopping isn't good for the servers. It shouldn't be a method people feel compelled to do

[chrome lantern]

I don’t think anything they’re changing before we get to the arceuus spellbook changes is bad

I think the slayer changes need to go further

[meager flame]

i just wish they had been more willing to like

do something cool

[chrome lantern]

I think they definitely should have toggles on lizardmen/aviansies/basilisks etc., but make it so that it doesn’t take effect for a task or two if you toggle it off then back on or vice-versa so people can’t “flick” it

[meager flame]

i mean you could go really hard and make a whole ui with presets and everything

[kind surge]

give more monsters their own superior variants obv

[brittle ore]

My assumption is they don't want to change too much at once, doing one big set of changes and seeing how it lands/tweaking as necessary, and then seeing what needs to be improved from that point

[meager flame]

so that switching between unlocks and everything was really fast

[kind surge]

I would like that honestly

[brittle ore]

It's slower but probably a much safer method

[kind surge]

bring us barry the destroyer for rune dragons

[frail nebula]

I really hope they go back to the drawing board on this

But we know they won't

[hard axle]

So what you’re saying is jmods should listen to me and buff Avernic Treads to +7 str

[frail nebula]

I thought your general wish that was granted was for things to get worse for irons

[meager flame]

i am somewhat confused by the holdup on the blog in general though

i suppose i have no idea for how long they've known what their changes were going to be but this seems pretty

idk straightforward

[frail nebula]

It was held up because it was bad, probably

[small oyster]

wasn't it because the person who wrote it was ill

[meager flame]

perhaps im not sure

[kind surge]

I remember seeing that ye

iirc it was mod blossom (?) or probably just sarnie considering they've been replying after it was posted lol

[frail nebula]

Or also because releasing bad news on a Friday is PR 101

[meager flame]

i mean i dont think its really bad news they just fumbled the rune cost changes and everything else is

somewhat unimpressive but an improvement

[frail nebula]

Everything else is pretty meh

I guess slightly better

[small oyster]

Goblin as far as I know, Sarnie took over for him

[chrome lantern]

My consolidated feedback:
-Lump more draconic creatures into dragons, namely chromatic dragons, wyrms, and drakes
-Group Giants tasks to include hill, ice, fire, and moss giants, and cyclopes
-Group lesser, greater, black, and abyssal demons together

-Make Inferior demonbane cost 1 chaos rune, Superior demonbane cost 1 death rune, and Dark demonbane cost 1 soul rune (plus fire runes)
-Remove the Mark of Darkness spell and include its effects in the base power and accuracy of Demonbane spells
-Retain Greater Thrall spell cost at blood runes, not soul runes

[frail nebula]

But really not that different

[kind surge]

ah that makes sense

[kind surge]

drakes and wyrms lumped into dragons would be phenomenal

[frail nebula]

This is far too sensible for them to listen to

[meager flame]

i think the big change here that is what people do want and is great

is just the separate block lists

[kind surge]

that alone is amazing

they went to make it for every master too, not just for krystilia

[hard axle]

Since we’re adding Helmet of the Moon to Collection Log, can we add Purifying Sigil and Blood Ancient Kit to Collection Log too?

It seems counterintuitive to not add obvious collectables to a log about uniques and collectables.

[chrome lantern]

I think the top tier block lists are still too expensive if you look at the fact that you now need 3 complete block lists at the full 100 cost though

[frail nebula]

It is, even if I am now gonna lose a ton of points setting up even more block lists lol

[chrome lantern]

But yes very good

[kind surge]

• adjusted slayer point costs

[meager flame]

but the whole slayer point thing is kinda procrastination and avoiding the problem they obv identified

which is that slayer points are very stupid in general

[brittle ore]

While metal dragons are commonly hated and theres so many blocking is annoying, having lots of consolidated lists feels like it'll make slayer pretty homogeneous. Maybe as more mobs get added to the game we can group some stuff up to balance it

[frail nebula]

Literally wait 5 days

We're getting new slayer creatures with Varlamore p3

[meager flame]

im really surprised they didnt just figure out how to make metal dragons more worthwhile

instead of effectively making sure we can delete them

[chrome lantern]

xd

[frail nebula]

They had been talking about how they wanted to make tanky slayer monsters rewarding

Guess they just didn't

[chrome lantern]

Maybe like noting the bars on low tier metal dragons as a starting point too xd

[past ferry]

making noted drops unnoted serves no reward, but instead now punishes people for not getting an herb sack. Change the herb sack to be a reasonable amount of points IMO, there are too many things to buy as it is

[meager flame]

i feel like they're kinda working in the wrong direction with the dragon changes lol

[chrome lantern]

Instead of just a brim dungeon karamja elite reward

[bronze kernel]

The change makes the whole concept of adding the aether runes pointless

[meager flame]

like its better than doing nothing but

how about making me actually want to kill a mith dragon

[bronze kernel]

I am fine with making the demonbane spells cheaper slightly

[small oyster]

I like all the mentioned slayer changes, but as far as I know (and I could be wrong), there's still not much reason to go a variety of slayer masters in the endgame or even while levelling, usually you just stick to 2

[bronze kernel]

Thrall changes seem to be entirely unnecessary

[frail nebula]

I wish they did make them cheaper

[past ferry]

it also sinks them at a faster rate

[meager flame]

tbh im surprised they haven't tried something really weird

[bronze kernel]

As for task changes, I think it's fine

[meager flame]

like having a seasonal rotation of slayer tasks that they know nobody would ever do and making them award more points or something

[chrome lantern]

1 soul rune: 340 gp, limited stock per world, competition to buy, suck to scar mine (and more expensive)
4 chaos runes: 400 gp, still stuck to shophopping, scar ess still not that great

[meager flame]

so you might go do something different

[brittle ore]

The herb sack is really fast at tithe farm right?

[bronze kernel]

Although they really should let us freely toggle the extends once we unlock them

[chrome lantern]

A lot faster than slayer points

Couple hours

[tawny tide]

Well. Different block lists for different masters is awesome.

[past ferry]

there are 2 changes I wants to see for thralls.

1. remove the need for the book of the dead.

2. Give a reason/benefit to summoning each thrall. melee/range/mage

[hard axle]

Them taking away soul rune usage seems off, especially when they shift it to thralls.

[brittle ore]

With herb sack being so free and basically a slayer item, it makes sense for me to have more mobs work with it rather than against it

[timber drift]

most of the update looks great, thralls from bloods to souls is a real headscratcher so im guessing that'll get scrapped, kinda sad you dont share a blocklist for konar anymore since setting since you can't easily pot 50ths there anymore for ppl earlier into the slayer grind

blog*

[bronze kernel]

Technically, there is. While most people default to magic, there are some use cases for ranged/melee (Such as boss immunities)

[meager flame]

ya it occasionally matters like on olm

[bronze kernel]

My bigger issue with thralls is how they get stuck and slow to react when you move around

[meager flame]

i'll spawn all three at different times

i do wish i had like

a call thrall button

[bronze kernel]

Like using thralls at Zulrah. I'm already at the other side of the island

[frail nebula]

What if we could just put noted herbs into it

[bronze kernel]

And my little dude is still chilling and casually strolling

[brittle ore]

Thralls are already quite strong, right? I don't know if we should be buffing them further by removing the need for book (though I expect that will end up being a reward for a kourend quest)

[past ferry]

yeah of course I know that. in 80% of cases though, it does nothing. They can code thralls properly if they wanted to, we saw it in leagues with guardian horn

[meager flame]

i mean its kind of a lost cause they're already locked in

we're just figuring out how to make them feel good to use

not if we will use them now

[vivid ruin]

I think they do a total of like 40 damage over a course of like 1 min 30 seconds

[timber drift]

reminder if they nuked thralls death charge just got a 100% buff too

[chrome lantern]

Another note is that moving thralls to soul runes drastically increases aether runes used if you use those

[timber drift]

even if*

[vivid ruin]

Approximately

[meager flame]

oh god

[chrome lantern]

And it’s already higher consumption than I would like

[meager flame]

i didnt even think of that

just eating aether runes or bringing souls and aether if you can setup the logic somehow

to prefer souls first

lmao

[frail nebula]

These rune changes really are just trying to make everything worse

So incredibly stupid

And they act like it's an improvement lol

[meager flame]

although tbf

its really just giga toxic

[small oyster]

it'd be ok if death charge didn't need bloods

[meager flame]

since you'd just not bring aether if you were worried about that

[brittle ore]

Seems like people are generally neutral to real happy about all of the changes other than the rune cost changes, so I do expect they'll get tweaked or paused

[meager flame]

but nobody is bringing them to piss away their runes on thralls

they're just giving you reasons to not use aether runes

[frail nebula]

I don't think they'll be changed

They went through with awful loot changes last time

They'll force these through too

[tawny tide]

Anybody have a krys blocklist lol

[chrome lantern]

The difference is that the loot changes were for economy, these rune changes are supposed to improve the player experience

They just uh

Don’t

[small oyster]

it's like 240 runes an hour for thralls without CAs

[frail nebula]

But don't you see

[vivid ruin]

Lets not forget thralls also consume a chunk of prayer

[frail nebula]

Runes are the economy

So it has to get worse

[meager flame]

ya but aether runes are one of those special ones

where somehow its worse than shopscape

[chrome lantern]

Yeah but they’re not trying to make the spells cheaper or more expensive just different

[brittle ore]

I'd absolutely take a bet that they'll adjust the rune section, if people don't consider it an actual QoL improvement then it rarely goes through as is on these types of updates

[chrome lantern]

Let’s not forget about the 7.5k aether rune tax on radiant oathplate too

[meager flame]

lmao you want to use exactly 0 extra aether runes for anything

you want to use them specifically when you need to use them and thats all

[tender harness]

Corp changes.. where are you

[frail nebula]

I'm also wondering if this is the last part of the summer sweep up

[chrome lantern]

Where I actually only have 2k aether runes to use even though I’ve gotten 9k aether catalyst because I need to save runes that I can’t reasonably get elsewhere to make a cosmetic

[vivid ruin]

SSU3 when

[chrome lantern]

They have said so yes

That this one would be the only other part

[frail nebula]

Rip corp then

[chrome lantern]

Unless they change that there were supposed to be exactly 2 blogs

Maybe they come back though

[brittle ore]

I remember a housing update I was super excited for that I kind of expected in the summer sweepup, but haven't been playing consistently since that suggestion, do we know when it's coming?

[meager flame]

never

they released some of it already and axed the rest

[fossil epoch]

Summer sweep up p1 was such a big blog, thought this one would have more stuff in it

[earnest marsh]

They said skilling changes also

[meager flame]

if you mean the cosmetic stuff

[earnest marsh]

Where is that

[brittle ore]

Absolutely heartbreaking.

[vivid ruin]

Slayer

[meager flame]

ya i wanted the wilderness poh theme and stuff

[vivid ruin]

[chrome lantern]

Maybe they flopped so hard on writing this blog there’s going to be a third now lmao

[earnest marsh]

Slayer and skilling changes

[brittle ore]

I've been holding off on getting my house set up as I like waiting for that update, it was going to be so good

[chrome lantern]

The skilling changes were deleting 75% of manta ray drops and trolling people by making them think they want to use shark lures

[meager flame]

a lot of people actually really disliked that update

when they came out and basically said

yeah we showed this stuff off for the gamejam but we're uh

just not doing most of it

[ember token]

and it was polled too

[chrome lantern]

Yeah that was wild

[meager flame]

im sure the artist wasn't very happy either

[ember token]

people voted yes expecting the whole gamejam project

[chrome lantern]

Literal polled content that they just decided to drop

They usually only do that for stuff like Ruinous Powers xd

[meager flame]

i cant even really figure it out

that was an open dunk of an update lol

everyone would like it and nobody would be mad

[earnest marsh]

Jezz that's horribol

[meager flame]

like im ngl

they could take back the whole varlamore slayer npcs and everything if it would've given art team time to make the stuff for the poh

[frail nebula]

Yeah this just in you can use fish lures to reduce your XP by 2/3 in exchange for 0.2% increased catch chance

[small oyster]

I had such high hopes for shark lures

[frail bough]

most people see their poh for 3 seconds before leaving anyway, im sure we will get those updates eventually but id prefer actual content any day of the week over poh themes

[meager flame]

i generally agree but

its gotta be content sane humans would do too

[frail nebula]

Shark lures have such a small impact that we literally do not even know what they do

[chrome lantern]

Turns out that a main still isn’t going to fish sharks and karambwans are still better than sharks 90% of the time on an iron not even considering the fishing

[frail nebula]

Even weeks later

[frail bough]

wait what

[meager flame]

wait wheres the shark lure update

i gotta read the lore on this

[small oyster]

I think they were just afraid of making minows redundant

[sacred oracle]

We’re proposing that Greater Resurrection spells should have their 5 Blood Rune costs adjusted to 4 Soul Runes. While this feels a little at odds with the move away from high Soul Rune costs for Dark Demonbane, our rationale is that you're casting these far less often than repeated Demonbane spells, and this alleviates some Inventory pressure for 'proper' Arceuus usage.
doesn't this just make it dramatically more expensive to use these spells with aether runes and doesn't even save inventory spots with or without ather runes?

[frail nebula]

We don't know what increase shark lures offer lol

[sacred oracle]

i don't get the logic here

[hard axle]

1 less tick delay is kinda big

[meager flame]

i have two maxed accounts and i've been on the minnow platform once

[frail bough]

its like 100% catch rate every time you go in for a shark

[meager flame]

in my life

[hard axle]

Effectively it’s a 27 hp 3t food

[autumn tiger]

Why are they changing the runes cost for thralls just because of yama ?

[earnest marsh]

I guess soul Runes have few spells

Meanwhile Bloods is overused

[hard axle]

[chrome lantern]

I would like to point out a full slayer block list has changed from 700 points to 2240 points with this update, just including Turael, Duradel, Konar, and Krystilia

[frail nebula]

They thought that the game was too good

[sacred oracle]

they said it was to relieve inventory pressure, but it doesn't save any inventory slots

i'm genuinely puzzled

[chrome lantern]

If you include Nieve it’s even higher

[frail nebula]

So they had to make it worse

[meager flame]

lmao minnows are actually not that bad its just like

[fossil epoch]

i guess as an ironman without scythe, but with a shadow, i find myself constantly out of soul runes and chaos runes, and with a 600k+ stack of blood runes

[meager flame]

why would i even need to do this

[sacred oracle]

usually i can see what their logic is, even if i don't agree, but here i'm just 100% baffled

i feel like i'm missing something

[meager flame]

i can tank the sadness of getting the soul runes for my shadow

[frail bough]

yeah but you get to choose, and points are reduced, and you don't have to hunt for the tasks you want to block, and you can boost points easier now, and and and and

[past ferry]

this blog is a wet fart compared to the last one. I think they need to go back to the drawing board ngl

[meager flame]

but man

the chaos runes too

[frail nebula]

I will be sincerely shocked if they adjust the rune tweaks

[meager flame]

from the shops

god help me

lmao i hate getting chaos runes

[sacred oracle]

they better, it makes no sense at all

[frail nebula]

I think we just have to accept that things are just getting worse

And that Slayer points become even more scarce

[past ferry]

it's as if they dont even play the game tbh

[fossil epoch]

more scarce?

[frail nebula]

Yep

[hard axle]

With scythe, you still won’t run out that fast since the scythe charge changes a year ago

[sacred oracle]

most of the other changes are slam dunks

[tawny tide]

Eh I think this is fine

[meager flame]

ya thats the best part

[frail nebula]

Multiple block lists to pay for

[sacred oracle]

the rune changes seem to just be purely inexplicably bad

[meager flame]

they assassinated sang and nerfed scythe to make sense

so bloods are fine

[sacred oracle]

all the slayer changes are

[small oyster]

practically you're only going to need 1 slayer master setup

[frail nebula]

The rune changes are indeed just incredibly stupid

[tawny tide]

Well turael

[fossil epoch]

thats a 1 time pay though, and we are getting refunded points from other stuff we have bought, like 500 for the task storage, and some other unlocks
that should be fine
Like you set each master once

[meager flame]

also

[chrome lantern]

Yeah to be clear, not switching blocklists is huge but having to spend 4x more points to block 5 masters is extremely expensive and costs way more than literally everything else you spend pts on

[meager flame]

what runes does the new weapon coming out next week cost

[tawny tide]

Konar, turadel, and krys

[sacred oracle]

but why are we punishing people for using aether runes and making thralls/dc dramatically more expensive to use in the name of "inventory pressure" without actually reducing the number of slots it takes to use these spells?

[frail nebula]

It's still like 1000 more points than we had to pay for everything before

[tawny tide]

I’m going to have 4 🤯

[frail bough]

the only reason the 700 to 2240 points change even matters is because people have tur skipped their way into oblivion to begin with

[frail nebula]

So they are more scarce

[frail bough]

its not an issue with the extra block spots, its an issue with what the loop was prior to the suggested update

[small oyster]

tureal doesn't have awful tasks, I'll do it if I farm a bunch of spare points but that's it

[fossil epoch]

Thats just such a small drop of water in the big ocean of slayer points

[ember token]

dont set up multiple block lists then

[meager flame]

oh yeah

[frail nebula]

Is that not going to be the meta even more though

[sacred oracle]

and you don't set every master, you set like two

[meager flame]

more chaos runes

[sacred oracle]

you're not using all masters

you're using a handful

[frail nebula]

With a separate turael block list

[meager flame]

let me just 3t my chaos runes that aren't already in my shadow

[chrome lantern]

I definitely actively use 4 masters when doing wildy tasks

[hard axle]

I think this is fine because you get a great benefit and slayer points unlocks are getting nerfed.

BnB is massive.

[tawny tide]

I think the thrall changes are going to def be scrapped

[meager flame]

add those chaos runes to my arceus spells too

[frail nebula]

We're gonna turael skip/boost even harder

[meager flame]

let me buy another 100k

right now

[fossil epoch]

you didnt have tureal blocks before either, so just dont set them up? or benefit from being able to now?

[meager flame]

i cant wait

[frail bough]

but yeah, getting point boosts is even better now, itll be fine for sure

[meager flame]

lol but really

[tawny tide]

Looks like they were working on something else, thought we expected it, and put something silly in there for us to be upset about so we wouldn’t care that thing was missing.

[frail nebula]

I think you missed my point

[meager flame]

maybe they should step away from the chaos runes a little bit

[fossil epoch]

I must have, because i really dont think its an issue

[frail nebula]

I wasn't pointing out an issue at all

[tawny tide]

You still don’t have to block turael tasks lol

[frail nebula]

Not there

[tawny tide]

But it’ll be nice to block cave bugs, man.

[hard axle]

Yeah, I don’t get the complaint when the benefits massively offset the initial grind.

Metal dragons getting a 5:1 block is huge too.

[chrome lantern]

I’m curious to know the best Turael blocklist tbh

[frail nebula]

Rather that the option for turael specific blocks makes turael skipping/boosting even better

[sacred oracle]

yeah i love the metal dragon change

[brittle ore]

Wait if the game jam stuff is over what about whatever that cherry blossom ghost minigame was? I was also very excited for that one

[sacred oracle]

and it's also a buff for mithril dragon grinders

[small oyster]

a second parse on consolidating runes for arceuus would be nice, I appreciate the intention behind it

[meager flame]

the only thing i dont like about the metal dragon change is like

[past ferry]

they should have combined giants into one task as well

[sacred oracle]

i'm not sure i understand the intention, because it doesn't do what they said

[ember token]

Most Gamejam projects don’t make it into the game

[sacred oracle]

i hope they explain it

[fossil epoch]

kalphites? someone probably gonna time each task, if it hasnt already been done

[sacred oracle]

then get rid of it

[meager flame]

i dont think we should have less variety they should've figured out how to make metal dragons something worth doing

but if they weren't going to do anything

[tawny tide]

Cave slimes, cave crawlers, and cave bugs. Welcome to the block list.

[chrome lantern]

Yeah but all 7

[meager flame]

this is a good change

[chrome lantern]

Definitely ghosts

[fossil epoch]

yeh

[ember token]

but the cherry blossom island would be with sailing

[chrome lantern]

Skeletons

[small oyster]

skeletons, lizards

[hard axle]

7 tureal blocks - bears, dogs, lizards, ghosts, banshees is already massive time savers

[frail nebula]

Cave bugs/crawlers are a hard block imo

[chrome lantern]

Lizards 100%

[hard axle]

How did none of your say bears so far

[fossil epoch]

keep ghost and do revs 🙂

[tawny tide]

Lizards 100% blocked

[brittle ore]

I think they tried to make drags better with the elemental adjustments, right? My guess is that was less impactful than they wanted to they added in the grouping to let them be a block option

[chrome lantern]

I would if they boosted weapon rates

[fossil epoch]

lizards suck yeh

[frail nebula]

You don't even get the better rates

[meager flame]

i will be blocking lizards with extreme prejudice

[past ferry]

They should consolidate all the slayer helm rewards into one purchase of 1k points IMO

[brittle ore]

That's so smart

[frigid void]

Can we get the ability to store wildy tasks with the task storage system

[tawny tide]

I’ll keep Keep bears for artio and dogs for call

[frail nebula]

This news is huge for lizard conservation efforts

[chrome lantern]

Or fewer than 1k

[tawny tide]

Not doing jackals for sure

[hard axle]

bears, dogs, lizards, ghosts, banshees, skeletons, dwarves

Are we in accord?

[meager flame]

i just think the end result of game design in this direction is super questionable

[tawny tide]

No

[meager flame]

its gonna be really awkward when we're like

doing 4 slayer tasks

[frail nebula]

Im blocking cave bugs and crawlers

[meager flame]

and thats it lol

[tawny tide]

Mass murder of dwarves is a RuneScape classic

[tender harness]

delete wildy slayer noted

[meager flame]

idk if thats where they really want to be going at the end of the day

[brittle ore]

I'm hoping that was quietly added if they've fixed the backend nonsense that didn't allow the separate blocklist in the first place, but if not then I hope it at least comes soon. Certain tasks there are simply unplayable at certain times of certain days, I'm never doing a Saturday rev caves

[fossil epoch]

I do hope the slayer update is soon then, but it probably wont be for atleast 3 weeks?

[meager flame]

yeah i'd assume 3 weeks is gone for varlamore

unless it just goes amazingly well

[hard axle]

Oh wait forgot kalphites

[fossil epoch]

next 2 updates are for sure locked for varla p3

[frail nebula]

I expect extensive delve boss drama tbh

[meager flame]

i mean im scared for them

[hasty shard]

you WILL do kalphites and you WILL enjoy

[ember token]

think they said awhile ago it would probably be august

[velvet orchid]

damn nothing on allowing you to store wildy tasks with task storage 😦

[meager flame]

we haven't had a big update without controversy in like

[hasty shard]

my money is on nightmare drop table

[fossil epoch]

kalphites suck because you cant skip the bigger slayer masters task of them 😦

[meager flame]

a long time

[tender harness]

Kalphites are such peak content from Shilo master

[meager flame]

so for wed

[velvet orchid]

you block now with dura but not on tura

[meager flame]

i fully expect to get on and like

clicking bank tabs deletes every item or something

to see some giga rollback

drop rates are 1 in 15k

[fossil epoch]

but thats still a problem with new tureal blocklist

[meager flame]

etc

[chrome lantern]

I would still Turael block them tbh

They have a lot of hp

[hasty shard]

^

actually how will that work

hopefully its not bugged on release

[velvet orchid]

on an iron when you factor in cballs maybe theres some logic in that but on a main its still so fast you get there within what 8 ticks?

[chrome lantern]

Kalphites are bugs

[frail nebula]

At least you can just cannon workers when you get an unskippable task

[meager flame]

nah we just hit the next level meta with turael

[frigid void]

Yeah I bought it hoping I could store some tasks like you say and flip between a boss task and a quick one to avoid pkers etc

[shadow wave]

You can cannon + venator workers in kalphite cave

[meager flame]

we start introducing skips used on turael tasks

while point boosting

lmfao

[chrome lantern]

Still seems worse than every other unblocked Turael task

[frigid void]

Hopefully they see this and add it in!

[frail nebula]

Skips should also be cheaper on lower tier masters

Tbh

[meager flame]

nah they cant do that it would be demonic

[velvet orchid]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1300496175333376074

[meager flame]

imagine im out here using skips on turael 1 point per skip

[fossil epoch]

I wonder how they will deal with Konar metal dragon task, they are removing mith dragon unlock, but will she then just never assign metal dragons in ancient cavern? or will she? and thats just forced mith dragons?

[meager flame]

cannon auto firing down on some chickens at the ecto teleport

fishing for the several tasks that count

[hasty shard]

and remember skipping wont give you a new task

[meager flame]

boosting at like 23423424mph

[sacred oracle]

oh yeah i didn't consider konar

[hard ridge]

When will the summer sweep thing drop on the servers?

[brittle ore]

I can't imagine they didn't discuss the task storage during this work, as they had to go out of their way to do the separate blocklist and both of those have been the two major administration issues for wildy slayer. Fingers crossed it's not another total nightmare to fix

[frail nebula]

We have no idea

[sacred oracle]

what will having a lump "metal dragon" task do for konar? that's the only slayer master i even use

[chrome lantern]

That’s why you just block them and Jagex knows this

[ember token]

august at the earliest

[hard ridge]

Ait thanks

[tender harness]

im waiting for this to go live, and accidently cause imbued hearts to be guaranteed drops again

[fossil epoch]

i already want mith dragon tasks though, im missing clogs from mith, addy and rune

[chrome lantern]

Again?

[tender harness]

again again

[sacred oracle]

yeah, same, i'm missing mith and rune clog

[chrome lantern]

Didn’t know there was a first time

[ember token]

idk why this is a question, it would just be like “metal dragons at brimhaven dungeon” or “metal dragons at lithkren” or “metal dragons in the ancient cavern”

[tender harness]

theres been one instance of imbued heart drops from a different bug fix lol

[brittle ore]

Konar is a good point, I guess she'll just say kill metal dragons in X location with the same location split she currently has?

[fossil epoch]

And im on the Konar grind for her keys for the mystic gear.. so thats gonna be interesting if it actually gonna nerf her metal tasks

[chrome lantern]

You will kill them in the catacombs and like it

[fossil epoch]

I wonder how they will deal with Konar metal dragon task, they are removing mith dragon unlock, but will she then just never assign metal dragons in ancient cavern? or will she? and thats just forced mith dragons?
@delicate glen

[velvet orchid]

if were doing that ^ Sanrie can you comment to why allowing task storage to work with wildy slayer was not included?

it doesn't have to be its own spot, it would just be nice if it worked 🙂

[chrome lantern]

Also just going to drop this here in case it helps my feedback get seen

[quick echo]

Following on from the sweep up part 2. Does the lack of cox changes and imbued heart changes indicate that devs put those in a good spot as they are? Or is it something you think you may still address in future?

[tender harness]

theres a lot of things that were targeted for sweep up that just arent here

like corp

[meager flame]

i think everyone just wanted corp on there

im pretty sure they never added it tho

[quick echo]

Yeah, Corp was part of what I expected to see too

[tender harness]

they flat out said corp would be an item that could be in the sweep up

and its just not here

its really long overdue

[quick echo]

Got to get the 50 kc task on my iron and I was hoping to wait for a rebalance rather than spend 20 hours on 50kc

[meager flame]

ya theres a bunch of random rough edges with like

corp nex the nightmare

gwd even

mace/salad blade/rapier

[quick echo]

I think nightmare is fine, the recent changes were huge

[meager flame]

thats how you know how fine it wasn't since its still honestly a waste of time

[quick echo]

Understood but I'd like to see them address content they haven't touched rather than nightmare, again

[frail nebula]

they genuinely need to double/triple drop rates at nightmare for it to start to be worthwhile to do

and I think they're scared of that

[quick echo]

If we had to pick and choose, anyway

[meager flame]

they just need to use numbers big enough to actually change the problem people are having

[frail nebula]

they just undershot the mark so severely that drastic action is needed to fix it

[meager flame]

they did the same thing here

those low level slayer master point buffs aren't shit tbh

turale point boosting >>>>>>>

[frail nebula]

turael stocks are way up tbh

well

[chrome lantern]

The fact they haven't tripled orb rates yet is crazy

[frail nebula]

aya stocks, I suppose

rip turael

[chrome lantern]

1/1600 for a specific orb?

[tender harness]

turael boosting needs to be deleted from the game, but there isnt a solve for that, and I wish they'd stop encouraging that shitty game play loop

[wet smelt]

the granite hammer change would make it only like 5% worse at gargoiles than dual macas according to my naplkin math

[frail nebula]

maybe once they do that they can talk about virtus drop rates too

[frail nebula]

fantastic, it's still 100% worthless

[earnest marsh]

Yeep

[quick echo]

Virtus is a weird one, because I feel like they made those drop rates as rare as they were expecting every player to go for an SRA

[earnest marsh]

Same issue as I had with shadow

[frail nebula]

it's absolutely bizarre that arguably the least beneficial thing from the dt2 bosses (virtus) is the rarest

[quick echo]

I feel like if you aren't planning on doing 1k+ of each dt2 boss, full virtus isn't going to happen

[frail nebula]

virtus could do with doubling/tripling its rates as well tbh

[meager flame]

virtus is like

disrespectful i dont get it

lmao

like why

[frail nebula]

when drop rates are literally lower than the pets

like

why the fuck did jagex think that was okay

[small oyster]

I think virtus is a symptom of targetting GE prices for items when adding them

[frail nebula]

I think that may be one of the single worst ideologies they've ever had when developing osrs

it's the same issue as nightmare

[meager flame]

its not even like some super rare drop from a boss you'll never do for loot you'll never need

its some mid game magic set that has a drop rate like its a dwh

[frail nebula]

it was supposed to be an upgrade between ahrim's and ancestral

but like

it's just not

[past ferry]

Here are my suggestions, what do y'all think?

Slayer helm unlocks should cost 1k and work for ALL slayer helm recolours

Block lists should be unlocked globally, rather than per slayer master. i.e spent 700 points, allowed to alter each master's list freely.

Rune pouch and herb sack point adjustment (these are both unrealistic to obtain thru slayer.)

Consolidate all giants into one task and make cyclops count.

[meager flame]

like straight up

[frail nebula]

it's worse ancestral that is somehow worse to get

[meager flame]

i just got ancestral on my iron finishing cox

i didn't and wouldn't spend a second trying to get any virtus

it just shouldn't be like that

[frail nebula]

if they need to nerf common drops at dt2 bosses to massively buff stuff like virtus drop rates

then fine

whatever

[sacred oracle]

i don't get the virtus hate, the though admittedly most iron concerns just kind of zip right past me because i usually don't understand their complaints at all

[meager flame]

ya the thing about ancestral is that even though it takes longer

[sacred oracle]

i greenlogged the bosses and had full virtus

[meager flame]

you're also getting a tbow prayers elder maul

d claws

while you do it

[frail nebula]

but virtus drop rates are so far out of line that it will literally never fill its intended role

[sacred oracle]

you just get it while doing the other stuff

[frail bough]

virtus ugly

[sacred oracle]

you'll be grinding the bosses anyway as an iron, so virtus is basically passive

[meager flame]

or you dont get it while doing other stuff

[sacred oracle]

i don't really get what the problem is

[meager flame]

i have all rings and SRA

0/3 virtus

[small oyster]

rng and outliers is the main issue

[meager flame]

although tbf

[dire mango]

Wym? It is a nice middle point currently.

[meager flame]

SRA is also a time waste

[past ferry]

Why are we complaining about dt2 drop rates like this is some group chat rather than giving jagex useful advice on the upcoming update?

[frail nebula]

how do you expect someone to get it lol

you're likely to get ancestral before virtus on an iron

[minor whale]

Virtus isn't that insane if you're going for rings on all 4 bosses + sra

[meager flame]

most people just dont try to get virtus they just have a random piece from getting their rings

[frail nebula]

no dupe protection

no bad luck protection

[dire mango]

Everyone is not an iron though. The price reflects its middle point quite well.

[sacred oracle]

it's always been possible to be unlucky tho

[frail nebula]

you don't actually have a good chance to get full virtus

[meager flame]

im actually really lucky on my SRA

i wouldn't even have one if i hadn't spooned

total waste of time just get a scythe

[frail nebula]

not everything is gescape though

[sacred oracle]

wow virtus is sooo cheap now

[frail nebula]

the price should not be the main factor jagex uses

[sacred oracle]

hadn't checked it in a while

[frail nebula]

yeah because it's not even that good lol

[austere mulch]

Block list update is super hot ngl

[past ferry]

and yall wonder why Jagex doesnt make useful changes. You're all derailing the conversation of the upcoming update because you want to complain about 2 year old content

[frail nebula]

there's just not a lot in this blog post to talk about tbh

rune changes are fucking awful

[past ferry]

if you wanna bitch about dt2 go to your DMs, this isnt the place for it

[frail nebula]

slayer changes are okay

[small oyster]

it's more like magic armour in general isn't that good outside of shadow

[meager flame]

this is what happens though when you have rates tuned to be a little unrealistic for marginal upgrades

[minor whale]

Each piece of Virtus is 3x the rarity of a single vestige from a boss
Going for 4x rings you'll likely see 4 virtus pieces
Can always be unlucky but that's how the game works

[meager flame]

people just skip over and play the real lottery

[frail nebula]

where should you go to bitch about people talking about the game

[hard axle]

Virtus is fine, especially if you consider how rare full Ancy is

[meager flame]

why farm SRA when you can take your ass into ToB and roll the dice for your scythe instead

why virtus when you can go for tbow and ancestral

etc

[minor whale]

Yeah saying people are more likely to get Ancestral than Virtus is wild

[frail nebula]

scythe only takes about twice as long to get as a sra

[meager flame]

i mean you are more likely to go for ancestral

[sacred oracle]

irons gonna iron: they have grievances and they need to be heard! repeatedly! next up, a discussion about dragon arrow availability

[frail nebula]

there's way more to stay for in CoX than there is to stay at dt2 bosses for

[meager flame]

going for virtus is you deciding to just waste time for nothing

going for tbow is trying to get your bis range weapon

[small oyster]

virtus would be ok if it had yama style shards

[meager flame]

and also getting your bis magic gear

[frail nebula]

or dupe protection like moons sets

[past ferry]

This isn't a group chat to bitch about updates you don't like. this thread is for the LATEST GAME UPDATE

[meager flame]

if you're gonna throw away a ton of time one is clearly the better choice

[frail nebula]

so you will get a full set before getting dupes

[sacred oracle]

it wouldn't be #game-update if the channel wasn't mostly irons complaining about stuff being too hard to get

[frail nebula]

maybe chill out lmao

[hard axle]

Tbf, he’s not wrong

it does get derailed time to time

[meager flame]

thats how we do tho

lmao

[hard axle]

yep

[frail nebula]

this is the summer sweep up

[past ferry]

and you wonder why nothing gets changed

[frail nebula]

aka the general purpose addressing long standing issues update

[sacred oracle]

i really like the name summer sweepup

[frail nebula]

this is literally the update to talk about old issues

[meager flame]

they change tons of stuff

[hard axle]

Anywho, what happened to people bitching about 3k slayer points

[sacred oracle]

i'm a sucker for alliteration

[small oyster]

people talk about things missing from the blog, and then it rolls from there, what do you expect

[hard axle]

3k slayer points is nothing for the massive perk

[dire mango]

Have you missed all the proposed changes?

[meager flame]

i mean they're refunding me 1k slayer points probably

[frail nebula]

he just wants to get angry

[meager flame]

somewhere around there

[sacred oracle]

wouldn't it be funny if they refunded all block points you've used ever

[meager flame]

i imagine the same for most people

[sacred oracle]

i'd be getting back 15782578252 points

[hard axle]

I’m pretty sure Turael is getting a 20-30% buff in terms of less tasks and faster clears

[frail nebula]

turael/aya stocks are way up

[hard axle]

So 3k slayer points for 4 masters blocks is fine

[meager flame]

oh yeah they talked about how turael meta was weird

then they're like btw

giga buff to turael

xd

[frail nebula]

the changes to slayer aren't bad

but like

[hard axle]

Remember the pigs

[frail nebula]

they don't all make sense to me

I feel like the slayer changes are good, but also don't accomplish their goal

[minor whale]

There's not a real way to nerf Turael without absolutely nerfing the shit out of slayer in general, when it's a skill that absolutely doesn't need a nerf

[hard axle]

nah, the rune changes make zero sense and I hope they fully reverse it.

[meager flame]

yeah they replied to a bunch of stuff earlier

[frail nebula]

this might be a hot take, but I think slayer as a whole is an awful skill that we all like because of the content it unlocks

[meager flame]

most of the slayer point stuff being changed is a refund including task storage unlock for the 500

[frail nebula]

not because of the skill itself

[small anvil]

I'm trying to figure out if this long term increases rune usage

[meager flame]

and also seemed really receptive to the rune stuff not being right

[small anvil]

Thralls should be used a lot lol

[frail nebula]

did they? I didn't see them saying anything about that

might have just missed it though

[meager flame]

ya it was right when the blog went up

[small oyster]

Konar, Duradel, Tureal and Nieve all have clear purpose as slayer masters in my mind. Do the rest?

[small anvil]

But the recent spike in soul prices is due to yama

[frail nebula]

do you have a link?

[sacred oracle]

the rune changes are bad and worse don't even make sense

[meager flame]

nah its way up like hours ago

[hard axle]

it’s always this dumb shit like “oh let’s make lower tier runes more common and used” and I’d daresay this is mostly because irons keep bitching about soul and fire runes since Yama came out, so they keep trying to switch around or nerf them costs.

[sacred oracle]

wonder if there was a typo/misprint in blog

[meager flame]

sarnie was the one replying though

[hard axle]

Why is shadow even using chaos tunes

[meager flame]

nah they did a drive by on irons

those chaos runes are

not ideal

[small anvil]

Shadow is the only reason chaos runes don't cost 40

[sacred oracle]

i'm mostly confused they say it's to help inventory pressure but it doesn't reduce the inventory slots at all

[meager flame]

i'd rather souls than chaos

[sacred oracle]

maybe it's a literal misprint

[true talon]

I noticed this yesterday, but if you run out of ether with a chain mace you can no longer attack, until you remove the 1k ether inside of it.

[hard axle]

I know

They do it in mind of and then drop the ball

[meager flame]

which is crazy bc like

[hard axle]

just balance without using low tier runes

[meager flame]

souls arent in a good place either

[true talon]

It used to attack an say you have no charges, now it don’t attack dt all lol

[hard axle]

Like why is this a thing even

[sacred oracle]

souls are at an all-time high, making stuff use more souls at this point is crazy

[small anvil]

I've been doing scar essence souls for a week

[sacred oracle]

shadow is 1.6m gph to use right now because of souls

[small anvil]

For good profit

[sacred oracle]

we don't need to add soul costs lol

[minor whale]

Using 4x aether runes per thrall

Is hahahahaha

[frail nebula]

same as last sweepup up then

[sacred oracle]

yeah it's a disaster for aether rune enjoyers

[minor whale]

Using shadow + thralls is gonna be like 3m/hr if this goes through

[small anvil]

Does anything else use blood in arc

[sacred oracle]

it's gone from "okay it's 100k more gph but it's convenient so i'll do it" to "wtf"

[hard axle]

it’s like if scythe used 3 mind runes and reddit tier players malded at you suggesting to make them blood runes

[small anvil]

You can just bring cosmic and soul separate again

[true talon]

Chaos rune change was bad, because it increased the runes you need while not reducing the cost

[sacred oracle]

but then what was the point???

it's supposed to relieve inventory pressure!

[frail nebula]

death charge lol

[sacred oracle]

i'm looking forward to a jmod explanation

i need to understand the logic

[small anvil]

Oh dc

Lol

[hard axle]

Chaeldar is BIS for a lot of pet grinds

[meager flame]

i mean ultimately i have no idea what they can even do to really fix the rune situations

[hard axle]

I’m not kidding

[meager flame]

they've had several years

they've tried several things

[small oyster]

TIL

[hard axle]

Like, outright BIS

[meager flame]

and it still just blows for certain runes

[small anvil]

Turael block list

Is gonna go hard

[meager flame]

like

[frail nebula]

literally just massively boost shop stock/respawn rate

[true talon]

Scar ess has fixed every rune issue in the game

[small anvil]

And cheap lizard freeze

[meager flame]

at this point i would be fine if they let me pour gp directly into my shadow

[frail nebula]

not astrals!

[true talon]

Don’t be poor

[small anvil]

It does work on astral

[frail nebula]

astrals get to cost 4x more from the scar essence mine for... some reason

oh no I have plenty of gp for it

[true talon]

It’s 2x

[frail nebula]

nope

it's 4x

[meager flame]

thats easy to fix tbh

[frail nebula]

astrals are 50 gp from shops

[meager flame]

they could just make that extract 2x specifically astrals

[frail nebula]

200 from scar essence mine

[meager flame]

and also touch up any other rune thats severely off from its shop price

so nobody ever uses a shop again

but you know

[small oyster]

yeah, astral meta is double astrals with raiments

[true talon]

Ok but they don’t remain 50gp

[sacred oracle]

reddit is fun today

[frail nebula]

they sure as shit aren't 100gp

[tiny otter]

can we like not change the demonbane rune cost, thx

[meager flame]

they kinda do average out a little over 100

[true talon]

Who cares you use so few astrals for it to even matter

[meager flame]

iirc

[small anvil]

How is soul any worse than blood thematically

[frail nebula]

"I'm wrong but it doesn't matter"

[small anvil]

That's silly

[meager flame]

just charge the average cost of cleaning the stock out of the shop

[true talon]

Scar ess has solved any and all rune issues for irons

[meager flame]

it should be pretty easy

[true talon]

Just don’t be poor

[past ferry]

they're very near sighted with the thralls idea. it makes sense at yama. it doesnt when you remember that you use thralls nearly EVERYWHERE

[tiny otter]

introducing something thats lets be real iron niche (an iron buff) instead of just shop rune packs is wild

[meager flame]

i mean the gp problem will ultimately also be a thing

it already is but

[tiny otter]

we want you to use less runes on arceus, introduce another rune for demonbane

[meager flame]

that one is so far down the road most people dont get that far

[true talon]

Scar ess is profitable to mains now with 90 rc

[small anvil]

I think souls costing 400 is a good thing btw

[frail nebula]

yeah scar essence mine for souls has actually been absurdly profitable

for a bit it was like 10m/hr

for mains

[ember token]

scar ess has also been profitable with sunfire runes for a long time

[frail nebula]

or not far off from that

[true talon]

Yea it’s crazy good money

[past ferry]

locking radiant oathplate behind 90 rc was the cherry on top

[small anvil]

It settled away below that

[frail nebula]

it's been profitable because mains didn't know it exists

[small anvil]

I've been doing it for a week

[true talon]

End game cosmetic requires end game status shocker

[hard axle]

like splinters, it’s going to die out and likely is dying out already

[ember token]

the whole point of the scar essence mine is to be shopshape but thematic and actually using runecrafting so no they're not gonna backtrack it and go back to true shopscape

[sacred oracle]

after looking over reddit, basically everyone hates the thralls change

[meager flame]

i mean the bots will kill it eventually

[true talon]

Correct

[sacred oracle]

will be shocked if it makes it to the game

[austere mulch]

Still need bloods for death charge so it doesn’t rly help with inventory use. If you’re on arc spellbook, you’re going to be using dc and thralls both as a default

[quick echo]

Yep and we are discussing what is lacking from the LATEST GAME UPDATE. Relax lil bro

[sacred oracle]

so i'm not gonna worry about it

[ember token]

🤷 it's near the top of the wiki mmg page

[tender harness]

splinters are brainless though. the amount of mains that dont have 90+ rc is rather high it'll probably be killed by bots if anything

[small anvil]

Yeah it's been like 2-3m per hour. And that's with patient selling

[sacred oracle]

i didn't know it exists, and i'm a main

[quick echo]

Sorry but this thread is for the latest game update, can you stop chatting like it's your dms

[meager flame]

ya but how many of them can actually stop and go hey let me just make some aether runes

thats the real reason its taking time

[frail nebula]

then throw chaos runes into the mix at yama for good measure

[meager flame]

it'll happen though

[tender harness]

jages just give me true soul altar I beg

[small anvil]

Hmmm will aether consumption go up with the thralls change

[tender harness]

95 RC for true soul

[meager flame]

ya

well

no

[frail nebula]

yes by like 4x

[meager flame]

aether runes will just go into my bank

and not my rune pouch

[hard axle]

Ye, as much as it’s iron GE for runes, I would not be surprised if they never buffed shopscape again.

There’s no reason to buff shopscape when you literally do not use that many runes until you start higher level slayer or mega rares, which you should be near DT2 anyway

[frail nebula]

if you are using them

[true talon]

Yea just have it be 1 soul 2 death runes for dark demonbane

[frail nebula]

you will use 4x as many

[true talon]

Chaos runes is dumb

[austere mulch]

Ye just seems like another strange hyper fixation without actually looking at the broader picture

So they miss out on key details which should be obvious lol

[frail nebula]

this is what happens when they try to think about the economy

they make really bad decisions

[true talon]

I used 200k soul runes at Yama

[small anvil]

Wait did I miss something on chaos runes

[meager flame]

i honestly dont even think the rune thing is a problem when you're just on arceus

[tiny otter]

I need chaos runes for literally anything else I dont need souls, stop it

[true talon]

No regrets

[meager flame]

the real pain with runes comes with sbs

[frail nebula]

yeah they're nerfing dark demonbane for literally no reason

[small anvil]

I saw the change to 1 soul

[frail nebula]

and +4 chaos runes

[tiny otter]

it's a main change

[small anvil]

They're replacing with some chaos? Oh

[meager flame]

idk why they're messing with the stuff they're messing with basically

[small anvil]

That's... Worse for irons?

[frail nebula]

did you just see 1 soul and stop reading

[meager flame]

if they want to fix up your inventory for using sbs

they've got a lot of work to do

[frail nebula]

pretty dramatically so

[austere mulch]

Nah it’s not a problem, it’s just their solution doesn’t actually do what they’re intending it to do, which is save invent space by removing blood runes from thralls but keeping it on death charge

[tiny otter]

yes

[small anvil]

Maybe not for low level irons

[meager flame]

and they're in the wrong building

[frail nebula]

and it's also a nerf for mains

since if you're doing yama

[small anvil]

That's silly

[frail nebula]

you now lose an inventory slot

[tiny otter]

iron nerf number 48492 this month

[hard axle]

Idk where you’re getting this nonsense about economy, when part of the blame absolutely lies with irons often complaining about rune costs and Jagex misinterpreting what needs to be done.

[small anvil]

Maybe they backtrack on it

[true talon]

1 soul 4 chaos adds an extra rune that you don’t use which is a inventory slot

[frail nebula]

what the fuck are you even talking about lol

[meager flame]

ya i dont even get what they were thinking about

it seems like they read the sbs feedback

and somehow looked at arceus and tried to like

apply it

but didnt actually think

so they did nothing

[small anvil]

Like I understand them wanting to lower soul rune usage and costs

[meager flame]

well

nothing good

[small anvil]

But make it like death runes

[frail nebula]

except I'm not sure they're even lowering it

[tiny otter]

brother what, if you game was designed from an irons pov it'd just work, instead of backtracking through "but muh economy muh bonds"

[frail nebula]

because we will now be using them everywhere with thralls

and we only use 1 fewer per cast at yama

[meager flame]

and yeah its definitely a weird overcorrection

[tiny otter]

have they tried the soul altar?

[meager flame]

we thrall everything

[austere mulch]

Intent was there, execution was a miss 😭😭😭

[hard axle]

the proposed rune changes have literally nothing to saying about economy.

[meager flame]

we're done with having the entire video game killing yama 24/7 atm

[true talon]

Muh bot controlled economy

[hard axle]

constantly blaming economy is genuinely brain damaged

[meager flame]

so our soul rune usage is returning to normal

[tiny otter]

it's an iron nerf and a main buff, making it an econ change

[small anvil]

I don't think the price change was aimed at mains

[tiny otter]

[frail nebula]

blaming irons for this is brain damaged lmao

[hard axle]

Mains don’t want this shit

[tiny otter]

it doesnt matter to mains

[small anvil]

I think it was intended for irons and irons are saying it's bad for them too

[tiny otter]

you buy everything anyway

[true talon]

No1 should want demonbane to be 1 soul 4 chaos

[frail nebula]

it's bad for mains and even worse for irons

bad for mains because you lose an inventory slot at yama for no reason

and it's more expensive for irons

[minor whale]

400 iron specific updates: no guys they don't cater to irons
1 change that's worse for everyone: they fucking cater to the mains again smh

[small anvil]

The soul cost was actually a huge deal for irons and I think they just landed on a bad solution

[tiny otter]

jagex doing literally anything to make demonbane 1 soul rune only

[hard axle]

Unless Jagex explicitly says it’s for the economy, don’t blame economy

That is all.

[meager flame]

listen

[austere mulch]

Yeah the rune change literally solves nothing for mains

[meager flame]

i wish this was iron catering

[frail nebula]

it wasn't the cost of soul runes that was the issue IMO

[tiny otter]

unless they explicitly mention ironman, assume it's for the economy (mains)

[frail nebula]

it was the supply of soul runes

[meager flame]

then it would do something good

[true talon]

Thwy could just make it 1 soul tbh

[meager flame]

for someone

[hard axle]

Right? It’s like people are making up their own lore and headcanon when it suits their argument lol.

[small anvil]

Soul runes are shop and scar available

[tiny otter]

thatd make too much sense

[meager flame]

well the problem souls had recently

[frail nebula]

the shop limits are extremely low

[small anvil]

Like the issue was irons with low rc

[tiny otter]

soul rune pack when

[small anvil]

Being forced into shop

[frail nebula]

as we found out when souls were impossible to buy

[meager flame]

is that the shop stock for soul runes is like

tragic

[frail nebula]

but as usual

[small anvil]

It's 250

[meager flame]

it only really worked because everyone didn't want them

[tiny otter]

the fact there isnt packed runes for every rune is just mind boggling at this point

[frail nebula]

mains are gonna act like they know what they're talking about

without knowing shit

[meager flame]

as soon as yama hit those shops were doa

so it was really just extracts

[tender harness]

Irons are going to act like they know what they're talking about without knowing shit

[small anvil]

The economy just meant that there was tons of hop shop competition

[frail nebula]

irons are gonna act like irons know what iron gameplay is like

[hard axle]

med level irons acting like they know shit when they quit main game because they couldn’t get to late game

[frail nebula]

which they do

[small anvil]

And irons were competing against mains

[frail nebula]

and you do not

[frail nebula]

irons don't compete against mains in shops

we compete against each other

[true talon]

Irons know a lot more than most . We have to interact with literally everything in the game no matter how basic it is.

[frail nebula]

there's iron-specific shop stock

[small anvil]

Oh right separate shops

[sacred oracle]

irons are gonna keep acting like they are the main or most important game mode and clog every channel with iron talk

so it goes

[small anvil]

Just generalized higher demand then

[hard axle]

Yeah that’s just not true lmao

You literally skip grinds now

[meager flame]

yeah but the caveat here is that the shop stock of soul runes is not large enough to support the total number of irons capable of doing content like yama

[austere mulch]

If they wanted to solve the inventory issue, they’d just make a combination rune for death + blood

The rune change has no benefit to economy, irons, or the problem they’re trying to solve

[frail nebula]

irons are 30% of the playerbase and it's been an officially supported gamemode for over a decade

[true talon]

No we don’t

[meager flame]

not even close

[austere mulch]

Rest of the blog is great though

[hard axle]

cloggers are the only real “do everything”

[frail nebula]

rest of the blog is okay

I'd have liked a bit more

[sacred oracle]

and yet! what are we talking about every day in this channel 100% of the time!

[frail nebula]

but what's there isn't bad

[meager flame]

so you really had to go for extracts which is kinda expensive

[hard axle]

and even then, you have cloggers saying don’t add this and don’t add that

[small anvil]

I'm happy with the changes

It doesn't fix turael skip being meta

[frail nebula]

kinda shocking that the 30% of the playerbase who plays more of the game talks more

[small anvil]

But that wasn't going to happen

[frail nebula]

it's really not that surprising

[true talon]

Only thing cloggers interact with is clue scrolls

[frail nebula]

it makes it even more meta

[sacred oracle]

who plays more of the game
that superior iron attitude is exhausting