game-update

[final frigate]

unluck

gl on 4th raid maybe

[obsidian venture]

[hard axle]

fake positivity is worse than honest toxicity ngl

you're setting people up for a worse time

[true talon]

id like to hear an example of what you consider bad info?

[final frigate]

.

[true talon]

gnomonkey guides are pretty well made, he teaches from basics to some advanced methods, he doesnt just go out an say yea so you enter bloat an you throw on your spellbok swap vengence and then you equip your bpeck and spellbook swap back to lunars so you can get humidfy off and maybe then you will save 5 ticks on the bloat room, if you fail to do this then logout and dont log back in.

[final frigate]

or more specifically dogshit like ovls are fine/good cause it's more points

when kephri is the lowest point room in the entire raid

and scarabs are legit 0.5x

more scarabs and more hp on kephri are both awful

[true talon]

this is actually factually correct. it does lead to more points at the cost of time an adds a realitivly easy invo for 15 points.

i dont think you can make the argument that he is wrong

[final frigate]

yeah just do 545 bro it adds more points

[hard axle]

It slows down the raid a lot

[final frigate]

good argument i think

there are a billion other things to turn on before ovls

there's a reason people only turned it on at 500+ before

[hard axle]

yeah, it's like turning on pathmaster for 150s

[true talon]

ya but how many are free like overlords?

[hard axle]

[final frigate]

even now it's not much better

again ovls are not free

it's one of the worst

you have a very interesting definition of free it seems

[true talon]

i thought overlords are very free since you can trap them, only time they arent free is if your dealing with swarms for any reason.

[hard axle]

I hate clickbaity shit and reynolds deserves better for this

[hard axle]

If you don't have shadow, which you always bring up, trapping overloads is a bad idea

especially the melee

[true talon]

you dnt trap the melee lol

[hard axle]

that thing heals the boss based on its full hp

[true talon]

you create a wall to block the melee from reaching you before you kill the ranger

[final frigate]

unfortunate

[true talon]

then on mage side you just hug the wall an pray melee so ranger cant reach you

[final frigate]

must've been a mistake

[hard axle]

okay, what kind of black magic are you smoking

the ranger is not that squishy

unless ur doing 150s

[true talon]

he was squishy on a 500 and he is squishy now

they removed the scaling on them also

[final frigate]

that's timeloss btw

you want to kill melee first

[true talon]

who cares lol

time loss ll

[final frigate]

this is why nobody takes you seriously

[hard axle]

you lose lose no matter what

[final frigate]

talking out of your ass while knowing nothing

wcyd

classic

[true talon]

dunno ive completed most the end game content in this game outside of the pieces i dont engage with due to it not being worth it.

[final frigate]

just do 50 minute 550s man it's ok you got it

[hard axle]

are you sure about the hp?

Scarabs inside Kephri's encounter no longer scale their Defence with Raid Level.

[final frigate]

lots of points

[hard axle]

this is all that im on seeing

[true talon]

defense is no longer scaled with is massive W

[hard axle]

yes and he still has HP, which is what I'm asking about

[true talon]

why would i bother with this? when 500 gets me the kit and i can leave.

[final frigate]

it's you don't need to join the convo you know nothing about

don't worry

[small anvil]

Have people worked out the optimal scale yet for money? I'm curious what it lands at

[slender vapor]

Currently 450 iirc

[final frigate]

roughly speaking anything 500-545 is fine assuming you don't afk or troll

[hard axle]

like, I'm pretty sure the consensus has not changed that overlords are geniunely not worth it until you run out of shit to unlock

because extra hp/hassle

[final frigate]

i get 450s a little lower than 500+

[sacred oracle]

i love joining a conversation i know nothing about

what invo is it worth trapping the meleer in?

i have never done it and don't know how and don't know when i would need to

[final frigate]

technically none you do double ranger trap

[sacred oracle]

oh is it the ranger you trap?

[final frigate]

well before at least idk now since shadowing melee is fine

and ranger kill is faster

[final frigate]

i'm using these personally

ymmv ofc

[hard axle]

reminds me of the people who were yapping about how monkey puzzle was ruined

and honestly, it was better

[sacred oracle]

didn't they nerf the hp yet again today?

i didn't see if new hp was higher or lower, but i assumed lower

[final frigate]

yeah 50 30 to 40 20

[small anvil]

Yes

Not really an "again"

Considering they just raised it with the max hit thing

[hard axle]

can't reward max gear folks for shit

just make them 2 tap lol

[small anvil]

I mean it kinda makes sense in the sense that it's supposed to be a puzzle room

But like

[sacred oracle]

i don't understand why they've bad all these changes, but you can still miss on the monkey thralls

[small anvil]

Yeah it's a lot of changes aimed at making toa easier and accessible

[final frigate]

puzzle rooms don't need to be afk

[sacred oracle]

all this stuff that's 1- or 2-hit, and you can still noodle on the thralls

it's weirdly inconsistent to me

[final frigate]

it could be named challenge room or training room or whatever

it's a room in a raid

make it good

[small anvil]

Like gear checks on puzzle is kinda weird is all

So I can see why they wouldn't want to be too gated on break points

[sacred oracle]

because i am bad, i have a hoard of monkey thralls to machine gun at the end, and missing is annoying when everything else is guaranteed hits

but i don't care that much

it's just odd

[final frigate]

making venoms 25 or 27 hp would be nice

to incentivise more bp boulders

[true talon]

cant wait for the tob QOL pass

the screeching is gonna be so good

[hard axle]

wym

we got it a while ago

[small anvil]

The only things not auto Max in the room is what

[sacred oracle]

i don't really enjoy it when other people are unhappy about something

[small anvil]

Volatile and the thralls

[sacred oracle]

i don't know why you would

i will pray for you

[hard axle]

we've been regularly getting qol over the years, but i guess tass wouldn't know since he only pays attention when he can mald and bait

[sacred oracle]

okay lunch time, no one get muted or banned while i'm gone

[hard axle]

can't promise

[cloud slate]

not even rewarding us with 1 tap on shaman

sadge

[dire mango]

Do you just log on to post bait in here every single day?

[true talon]

Remember when contracts were not gonna be awakener orbs 2.0

[toxic trout]

Bro just turn off aerial assault and do 2 ranged phases

You melt it if you go Akkha kephri

[true talon]

prob yea

it makes no sense why that side is so unbalanced compared to baba zebak

[covert rose]

[toxic trout]

I mean it's just really the 10 invo

[obsidian venture]

Do you even have a kit

[toxic trout]

It's an easier P2 arguably with the bomb change

[obsidian venture]

Ah chat mod! Daily bait from Tass

[toxic trout]

Does less damage, and because it goes melee range you can make it so you are unable to get hit by bombs if you lure it to the corner

Only thing you need to dodge is windmill

[true talon]

i never get why im told im baiting, no wonder i placed all those people on ignore lol

[obsidian venture]

Because you say very low game knowledge things

And push that as fact, when it’s just showing your inexperience with the topic

[true talon]

Yes clearly im very low knowledge in the game

[obsidian venture]

Usually when you don’t understand something, you should ask. Otherwise, it’s best to not engage or talk

Kcs don’t mean shit

Congratulations on sending content

[toxic trout]

You can be high KC and still not know the ins and outs of the content

[obsidian venture]

People who use kcs as a factor, are usually shit tier players

So I’m not sure that’s the hill you wanna die on

[toxic trout]

See rank 1 inferno

Clear example

[true talon]

not really, if you have KC that means you completed it. meaning you developed a method to complete it. maximizing it or speed running it is not the same as completeing it.

[obsidian venture]

Simply completing doesn’t correlate to actual understanding

[shadow wave]

Hmm, you can 2 tick Duke rn

[true talon]

I dont consider a sub 50 inferno more impressive than a 2 hour one.

[obsidian venture]

Speedrunning it means you have an in depth knowledge of the content AND can execute the content mechanically as well

[toxic trout]

I specifically aim to make flickless runs a reality in as high invo as possible, but that doesn't mean I don't know flicking + double power is better/more efficient

[shadow wave]

https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1lpyv1y/tick_manipulation_bug_at_duke_2_tick_with_any/

[true talon]

i do consider a lvl 34 inferno more impressive than a sub 40 max gear one

[hard axle]

god that's fucking hilarious

[dire mango]

You can complete 476 tobs without ever having learned to melee verzik without getting bounced. Kc does not mean you know the details of the content.

[hard axle]

you can actually afk ALL cox kc

and don't know shit

[true talon]

People obsessed with speed and doing things fast, clearly never learned about the tortoise and the hare lol.

[obsidian venture]

Tassili, respectfully, just shut the fuck up sometimes

You literally don’t know what you’re talking about

I’d probably have a more in depth conversation with a toilet over chatting with you

[true talon]

thats a free mod mail right there

[final frigate]

rank 1 colo!

[obsidian venture]

Good send it in

[hard axle]

No one is saying you can't be slow, especially if not maxed gear, but christ you are being dense af and coping about just being able to play a lot.

[final frigate]

he makes guides too must be good

[toxic trout]

I'm not even obsessed over speed but it's disingenuous to make statements without knowing the deets

[true talon]

I wont, because its not worth my time lol.

[dire mango]

And you wonder why all your messages is seen as bait when you post stuff like this.

[obsidian venture]

They can use tasses head as an airbag test

[true talon]

you can believe what you want to believe

[hard axle]

yeah and people can call you stupid for your beliefs

saying you believe 2+2 =5 is opening yourself up to criticism

[obsidian venture]

Multiple people call you out daily. New folks who chat in this channel also call you out

When are you going to stop being a victim

[true talon]

thats good, they are free to. idc either way lol.

[hard axle]

"its just an opinion so it can't be wrong" mentality is the fake positivity shit that i'm talking about

[obsidian venture]

I wouldn’t care either if I was ignorant

[sharp tendon]

This is nice entertainment to an otherwise boring work day.

[obsidian venture]

Happy for you zzone

[sharp tendon]

I should visit this channel more.

[obsidian venture]

It’s always good entertainment when you chat with folks that love being dense and low iq

[sharp tendon]

^

[obsidian venture]

It does pass the time

Community ambassador supports that btw

[sharp tendon]

Hmm?

[obsidian venture]

The entertainment between someone who’s wrong 95% of the time and the rest of the channel

[dire mango]

Been a while since this was enforced #game-update message

[true talon]

there is a ignore button, they dont have to read or agree with what i have to say.

[obsidian venture]

No one will agree with you in the first place, so that’s a non issue

[hard axle]

and it still bleeds in because if someone else reads the shit you say, they'll be confused between 2 statements

Look, it's like how I advocate for afk strats whenever possible. I don't say it's bis or what not

I just say it's chill and that's why I do it and recommend it

I know it's outright worse 99% of the time, but I'm certainly not going to advocate 1+7 GWD world hopping strats

[obsidian venture]

Keep in mind that Rat and I prefer to afk more

[final frigate]

surely it's fine to spread misinfo because people don't have to read or agree yeah wp

[obsidian venture]

Yet when folks ask for objective information, we don’t suggest it

That’s the difference

We can put our bias aside for what’s better if asked for

[hard axle]

yeah

[obsidian venture]

Preference isn’t fact. Numbers are

[hard axle]

at most we offer it as an alternative AFTER stating what is bis

[obsidian venture]

And I go by numbers when arguing/chatting

Yes

[sharp tendon]

Btw bane

[hard axle]

this isn't the harm vs shadow at pnm hotly debated meta

[true talon]

what miss info am i spreading??

[hard axle]

if u want to bait about that, pick a side and so spam this is better

and watch pnm doers go wild

[obsidian venture]

If I had to create a list, I’d have to write a thesis on it

[cloud slate]

isnt that debate over since double dc

[obsidian venture]

Because you say bait shit daily

[obsidian venture]

Kinda ye

[hard axle]

not definitively until new gloves iirc

[sharp tendon]

Got a question for you about the bowfa vs bp argument. A few people I always tell that the bp/dcb is better than the bowfa in terms of dps always say the same arguments like "if they miss a bp tick, its worse dps or its nice to have the convenience of a versitile weapon"

[cloud slate]

surely the new pnm bait is dinhs or no

[true talon]

So what i say is considered bait in your view, then its misinfo? lol

[hard axle]

^yes, bowfa vs bp is super common af

[obsidian venture]

I didn’t even call out the bait today but I’ll link something that’s very misinformed

[hard axle]

we've explained why more overlords are bad, every reason of it

[sharp tendon]

People keep counterarguing by saying if you're not tick perfect, you're worse dps than a bowfa

[obsidian venture]

And shows that you should put a finger over your mouth

[obsidian venture]

They are dumb

[hard axle]

if you like it, we're not saying you can't use it, but don't recommend it

[sharp tendon]

Lol figured

[cloud slate]

well ur not bping wardens or anything either, ur dcbing

[hard axle]

especially to newbies

[cloud slate]

which is less punishing than bowfa if u missa tick

[sharp tendon]

That's what I always say

I guess some people are too dense

[obsidian venture]

This is one comment that shows low game knowledge and is quite frankly very dumb

[hard axle]

maybe you think that it doesn't matter because you don't bring chins to kephri and the boss heals to near max at lv2+, but that's still extra healing you have to do :/

[obsidian venture]

How can you do speeds or max eff without understanding the content you’re doing. Simply getting a kc isn’t accomplishing that

[true talon]

only explain was that it takes longer, i dont consider that bad. they are easy to deal with. i also didnt claim that was meta or bis, i claimed that gnomokey is correct that it does add points for free at the cost of time. none of this is misinfo or incorrect.

[hard axle]

for free at the cost of time

[cloud slate]

'free' 'cost is time'

hmmge

[hard axle]

what

[dire mango]

The "bait" part is that usually people post misinformation intentionally to get a reaction out of someone.
You post it because you don't know better yet you can't keep yourself from putting your opinions out there. Even after being told you're misinformed.

[rain fulcrum]

I don't consider a sub 40 inferno more impressive than a 2 hour one it is all just RNG

[hard axle]

maybe we disagree on what is free then lol

[cloud slate]

idk man i think if somethings free it costs nothing

[obsidian venture]

You can do 2 bp shots for every 1 bowfa shot. You’d have to miss every other shot for it to be worse (impossible to do)

[cloud slate]

at all

[hard axle]

I just find it weird you think time loss is free but then complain about no-shadow toa taking longer

[cloud slate]

isnt no shadow toa free now with bowfa butterfly

[hard axle]

much easier yes

[final frigate]

it used to be that dcb/bp was clear superior cause it's both higher dps and when you bp you weren't really moving (zebak enrage, akkha shadows, p1) while also being significantly cheaper by around 50-80m depending on when

[hard axle]

akkha was a brickwall most of the time

[final frigate]

now though bowfa's a lot more justifiable idk i don't wanna say it's better but it's up there

[hard axle]

me and bane did a perfection of het and it was way easier

like significantly easier

[cloud slate]

ye akkha does like no chip

[obsidian venture]

Yeah bowfa at akkha has a use now but bp still superior on shadows

[sharp tendon]

The lack of orbs during enrage is pretty laughable

[hard axle]

so, I lowkey think there are still a decent amount of balls

it's just at the start there's way less

[sharp tendon]

Yeah

[hard axle]

but it ramps up to like 80% ish

[sharp tendon]

Sounds about right

[cloud slate]

you have a million ticks to react now tho and its hard to get overwhelmed like it used to be

[hard axle]

yep yep

[final frigate]

the issue i see is bowfa is better for bfly but bowfa ttk on shadows becomes pretty sus at higher invos which is where you want the bowfa in the first place

masori bp destroys shadows but you need to stop bfly for it

[sharp tendon]

I literately had time to type entire sentences in game during enrage

[final frigate]

• • idk it be like that

[hard axle]

I think gauranteed swap if you get hit even once during special is brutal though

so akkha was the most balanced changes out of all

[sharp tendon]

Definitely a bit annoying

[cloud slate]

u still get to do shadow dps tho which is based

[obsidian venture]

Also keep in mind, if they’re losing ticks with the bp, they’re probably losing ticks with the bowfa @sharp tendon

[cloud slate]

till mage phase then u just rip zcb

[sharp tendon]

I tend to yellow click through the shadow as it just dies and get hit

[austere mulch]

You can have a 0/0/0 game in basketball with 40+ minutes and still win the game - doesn’t mean you know the ins and outs of basketball

[hard axle]

also, extra supplies

[cloud slate]

hell i have a fang kit and im garbage at toa

[hard axle]

that extra time eats up supplies

you might find yourself super strapped for supplies, and using supplies at kephri overlords and having to not flick or not use offensive prayers at warden is definitely not a good tradeoff

[final frigate]

true man says he always duos kinda sus

[hard axle]

I say this as someone who packyaks when I do 500s

[final frigate]

[final frigate]

i love me pack yaks

[obsidian venture]

He raids with terrorists sometimes

[final frigate]

no way you're that hard on yourself chin up king

[obsidian venture]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[true talon]

Sounds like i didnt need to, i won without having to.

[obsidian venture]

What

[true talon]

the side that knew what they were doing, clearly didnt know everything as i won by doing nothing

[obsidian venture]

Do you wake up and bash your head on a wall or something as a daily routine

[rain fulcrum]

Lmao

[hard axle]

seems like it

[rain fulcrum]

The basketball expert in question

[dire mango]

or your team never passed you the ball because they had no faith in your abilities

[sacred oracle]

I can translate what this really means. It means you have said some things that some other people have decided are not only incorrect but are so incorrect you must be saying it with intention to upset others for your own entertainment.

[austere mulch]

“For free at the cost of” is a crazy statement lol

[sacred oracle]

But bait suggests intent and I'm not a mind reader, so I would not say you are baiting

[true talon]

Hey i still won, all that matters.

[obsidian venture]

Won what

[rain fulcrum]

He won

[obsidian venture]

Btw I disagree with Mox a lot

[dire mango]

the imaginary basketball game

[obsidian venture]

And he still
Cooked Tass

[hard axle]

you've become the leech you complain about so often

[true talon]

not true.

[obsidian venture]

Very true

It’s ok to cope

If you need headpats I can @ weebs

[cloud slate]

what else is someone who achieves something by not participating other than a leech

what other word would you use

[dire mango]

freeloader

[oblique mesa]

management

[final frigate]

he's woox

[obsidian venture]

Ahhh

[final frigate]

woox won

gz

[obsidian venture]

The woox of being wrong

Talent really

[final frigate]

if only he was funny while trolling

[obsidian venture]

Type of kid to win participation trophies for losing

[sacred oracle]

I actually just started watching The Bear, I like your pfp

[final frigate]

but as he is he's just worthless unfortunate

can't even be entertaining

[sacred oracle]

I'm on s01e07 weee

[obsidian venture]

My man

Great show. I hope you enjoy it

[true talon]

i see i gotta add peekays to block now as they only seem to spout insults and no constructive arguments.

[obsidian venture]

Block everyone better than you that’s ok

You can remain in your small cubbyhole

[rain fulcrum]

Whatever will he do

[obsidian venture]

Might need a window for some air though

[rain fulcrum]

It's ok I'm sure Tass will read his kessages

[final frigate]

not like he was reading what i was typing anyway xdd

[rain fulcrum]

Announcing blocks is against the rules too

[true talon]

blocked messages is being spammed, they must be hurling more insults.

[final frigate]

blocking is time loss smh

[obsidian venture]

Yeah he blocks and then opens up everyone’s messages like a freak

Like what’s the point

[final frigate]

only way to get attention wcyd

[true talon]

Prob the typical "your bad" ect

[dire mango]

and regular reminders to breathe

[obsidian venture]

Ah he needs to breathe true

Brain is starving

But that kinda makes sense

[jovial sentinel]

Ah, this chat is just full of this shit again. Seems like its most of it these days.

[true talon]

yea mines full of blocked messages it had gotten so bad.

[sharp tendon]

[jovial sentinel]

Dw, im not feeding you.

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/gremlins-gremlin-midnight-dontfeedaftermidnight-gif-13857072122938173500

[hollow cedar]

I knew the bryo key rate was off

[ember token]

they should've left it as is, 1/32 was perfectly balanced to account for being able to kill them without a key

[obsidian venture]

What’s it now?

[ember token]

1/16

[obsidian venture]

Ah

[small anvil]

Yeah 1/32 is a reasonable rate

But they kept saying it was 1/16

[hard axle]

average for 2025 definition of qol ngl

[small anvil]

How long til skotizo gets the same treatment

[rare grotto]

l0000000000l

this was a generational run by tass

holy fuck

[earnest marsh]

seems like BH agility bots are spam reporting everyone who doesnt join theyre fc and interact with them

sir pugger, what did you do

[obsidian venture]

Legit

[sacred skiff]

Do Obor and Bryo actually drop a beginner clue every kill?

I probably won't bother with beginners because clogging for the sake of it is silly, but I am curious if they would be the best way to source beginners on an iron if so

[idle rapids]

I think for irons you just sourced them passively anyways

While going for obor log

you get a ton

but i guess more of them is nice

[tiny otter]

karambwans seem to drop them more than they should, seeing 10 on the ground is something

[sacred oracle]

i like 1/16 because it makes actively killing the boss the best way to grind the keys for the boss, unless i'm much mistaken

i think that's cool

[idle rapids]

I just afked the whole bryo/obor thing before while doing fletching

Let the cannon clog for me

[sacred oracle]

yeah, me too

i already have obor and bryo greenlogged

but this would have been fun to do instead of just cannoning giants

you can really optimize it and have some fun with it

[idle rapids]

idk I liked having something to do while 0tick fletching

[sacred oracle]

i played around with some tech, and i was running in to double dclaw spec then scythe it down, tp out, reset, come back

super fast kc

[idle rapids]

Theres not a lot of things you can do while doing that

Before you could also smuggle them into soul wars but they patched it 😦

[limpid charm]

Great job today team. Clue box email subject says Test Email

[sharp cave]

Mfw they said they buffed the drop rate but actually nerfed it

[grand viper]

what was the point in nerfing the soulflame horn working for tick manip? might as well just get rid of tick manipulation items in general if you're going to do that

[fossil epoch]

#game-update message

[austere mulch]

Intended space for horn is content with unreasonably high crush defense, that also has high defense level, also isn’t immune to melee, and also can have its defense drained by a high enough value that eldermaul is worth using (eg. Nightmare def floor is too close to its def ceiling, so it would not be worthwhile here even if it had 10000 crush defense)

[rain fulcrum]

Horn is NOT allowed to be used for anything other than maul

Jagex has commanded

[austere mulch]

Pls change to work with first accuracy roll of claws as polled

[obsidian venture]

[austere mulch]

Would still be worse than zcb on low-moderate def, still less energy efficient than voidwaker on high def, but gets additional niche with a lot of coordination to use claws at verzik and toa

[obsidian venture]

Would help good teams

Jagex allergic to teamwork

[austere mulch]

The last like 5 updates they mentioned tob but in each update gave tob the short end of the stick and/or made it slightly more annoying at the top end by further crowding the inventories

😭

Or adding arbitrary restrictions like surge pot in tob not ticking between rooms (but still allowing deaths to reset in cox, so now current solo rec has an intended death between phases which is considered “cool tech”)

[hard axle]

we blame the community mostly being allergic to teamwork, and jagex not wanting to aggravate their symptoms

[obsidian venture]

Mmo btw

[cedar latch]

How come the new clue stacking thing is so convoluted, why not just let people have the max stack from the start. Even via the blogpost I still have no clue between all the various wording how to increase stacks

[ember token]

do x marks the spot = 1 extra clue stacked

kill the mimic = 1 extra clue stacked

then each tier of clue has 2 milestones that give you an extra clue of that type stacked

adds up to being able to stack 5 of each clue type

[hard axle]

progression is good when the original was 1

it also gives room for future increases without making it less and less reasonable

[cedar latch]

Don't know what mimic is, so now it only stacks to 2 until you do 50-100ish of each depending on tier, which equals 4. Which means that the juggling thing I see all the time is still better

[ember token]

well you can do both, its not one or the other

[austere mulch]

Juggling is still better if you have 5 unlocked

This just gives you a more convenient option if you don’t like to juggle

[cedar latch]

I just don't get why the cap is so low to start with and requires a high amount of clues to upgrade

Clues are already frustrating enough with half the time being in an area you may not have unlocked or levels you may not have

[ember token]

well before, the cap was 1 🙂

it's only a high amount of clues to someone who doesn't actually do clues

[cedar latch]

and the improvement still makes me not want to do them, so was it really much of an improvement

[ember token]

that's fine

I like to do clues so this benefits me

[floral meadow]

I agree with Pawsies, it isn't much of an improvement imo.

[obsidian venture]

Makes me not have to bank as much which is an upgrade

[minor whale]

The way Jagex keeps releasing items that are somehow much worse than polled means I'm sure the 3t staff coming from Delve is going to have a shitty stat sneaked in somehow
Like the projectile has 6 ticks of travel time

[obsidian venture]

Some tasks has you juggling a few

[obsidian venture]

Least of my concern tbh… moreso if delve is going to actually be endgame in the first place 🤣

[floral meadow]

"Hey look at this cool thing we can do! Let's make it worse and call it balanced!" Seems to be a trend ngl.

[minor whale]

Surely since it's dropping an item that's bis for ranged and adds +3 ranged strength it'll be at least 50% harder than Colosseum, right?

[ember token]

surely

nah the endgame part of it is gonna be how long you can survive at the max difficulty

its probably not gonna be that hard to actually reach the max difficulty in the first place

[austere mulch]

Didn’t they already change the end game expectation to being late game instead

[tribal adder]

lads, is there a channel for bug report?
with the new update collection log is wonky

or anyone know if some 1 reported the god pages yet?

[ember token]

right click the report button ingame, click report bug

[tribal adder]

that the only thing that can be done?

[hasty shard]

its a shame cause i feel like yama couldve been so close

[austere mulch]

The changes to surge pot cooldown in tob/toa and the horn changes with claws just made zero sense

But here we are

[hasty shard]

• Have both people spawn on the same judge island, so you have to coordinate movement
• quintuple the glyph damage, so you have to coordinate movement to reduce damage
• not have fire bombs do the schizophrenia mechanic, so you have to coordinate movement (a bit more)

the judge SUPER confuses me because like you had to go out of your way to design it as current

[rain fulcrum]

Gotta have separate islands so my partner can't see me bungle all my swaps

[hasty shard]

i really dont like that surge pot got added to the game despite being evidently problematic

[rain fulcrum]

I haven't minded surge pots as much as I thought I would

[hasty shard]

like if you're having to make exceptions left and right to get it in maaaaybe its not a perfect concept

[outer zephyr]

If you didn't have x marks the spot done but hit the threshold for major clue boxes, you do not get the minor clue box clog

[hasty shard]

honestly same but i still dont like them

[rain fulcrum]

Although I think it's a bit disappointing it sort of is a much much easier replacement for godbookinf

[hasty shard]

and im very much noticing how bloated my timer plugin is rn 😭

[rain fulcrum]

Also makes zcb way stronger everywhere which was unnecessary

[outer zephyr]

Is there a non mobile bug report channel?

[hasty shard]

antivenom, regen, surge, dc, thralls, pots, etc

[rain fulcrum]

It used to require some kank to chally zcb nylo

Now you claw zcb for free no kank

[ember token]

right click the report button ingame and click report game bug

[hasty shard]

but havent you heard its only 25% spec every 5 minutes!

and if you stretch out a specs damage over 5 minutes thats like nothing!

[outer zephyr]

I did

[rain fulcrum]

Yeah that's not a useful way to look at it

[hasty shard]

exactly

[outer zephyr]

I know how that goes though, I've reported some bugs that way and it was left for 2 years before getting fixed via dm report

[ember token]

ok then dont report it

[hasty shard]

(im being sarcastic because more than a few people have portrayed them as such as if burst damage isnt a thing)

[outer zephyr]

I did, just asking if there's another channel, you can simply say no

[rain fulcrum]

With the amount of no the surge pot gotten I wouldn't be surprised if 70%+ of the actual target audience for the potion said no

[austere mulch]

Is rly annoying that you can’t even use them at p1 if you want to use them 3 rooms earlier at nylo because the cooldown doesn’t tick between rooms

[rain fulcrum]

Cuz certainly a lot of the yes votes came from non tryhards

[hasty shard]

mfw we all reported burning claws bug and it took like 7 months to get fixed and it wasnt even fixed properly

[austere mulch]

Legit would’ve had so many more no votes if they said it’s cooldown would work as it was implemented to

[rain fulcrum]

Jokes on you I can because I suck and my raids are slow

[hasty shard]

i cant wait for it to still be an issue in leagues or another boss in the future 😮‍💨

[rain fulcrum]

[austere mulch]

Just crazy how it was only changed bc ppl on Reddit said “we’ll feel like we’re missing out by not waiting” when they didn’t feel that way before with godbooking and trading

😭😭

And most of the ppl don’t take them at all bc they don’t do organized p1 and get zero value from them

[hasty shard]

idk why the solution wasnt just having the timer clear after boss kill even

like whuh

[hard axle]

I'm still really hoping ayak is changed to be gauranteed accuracy on the spec

[rain fulcrum]

If that's too OP just make it on every supply chest

That would fix TMs issue

[hard axle]

otherwise it suffers the same accursed sceptre problem

[hard axle]

honestly, fuck reddit for this

[rain fulcrum]

You get it back for nylo then back for xarp and you save it for Verizon

Verzik

Or allow up to 15 seconds of the potiob to tick between rooms

There's lots of solutions but jagex was not very creative

[chrome lantern]

Would love to spec Verizon

[hard axle]

hard gutting it at tob because they didnt want to feel like missing out was stupid as shit

[austere mulch]

They said they didn’t want ppl to feel forced to take it everywhere, which clearly that feeling is only ever valid in top level raiding/content

So now we’re forced to take it into tob and not be able to use all of it. It legit hurt nobody to have it be as polled and only became worse releasing as is

10/10 would’ve voted no

[rain fulcrum]

Yeah you're still forced to take it liberally everywhere

And you'll never get a PB on a boss unless you have a surge pot up

[hasty shard]

they literally nerfed sceptre why would they guarantee ayak

[hasty shard]

people don't want to feel like they're missing out, so the solution was to always make you miss out

[rain fulcrum]

Don't u still get value even with shit p1 strat tho

[obsidian venture]

Catering to shitters circa 2013 🥱

[sacred oracle]

wait, should i be taking a surge pot in toa?

no, right?

[rain fulcrum]

Don't see why not

You can triple zcb with adren

[sacred oracle]

because i can barely survive on the few supplies i can bring

maybe once i'm better at it

[rain fulcrum]

These days u barely need any range gear tho right

Should have tons of space

[austere mulch]

If you triple spec with it yeah, but ppl aren’t doing that

[sacred oracle]

i'm still bringing a full ranged swap

[austere mulch]

They’re just doing pillar drop 416 so it does nothing

[hasty shard]

considering surge pots have 2x the value, yeah

[chrome lantern]

Saw someone else in my clan log into an F2P world after the update so I thought I'd do the same lmao, discord webhook popping off

[sacred oracle]

i was using the wdr setup, but with no actual knowledge of why those choices were made

[obsidian venture]

I have an old setup

[hasty shard]

means you can 3x zcb vs 2x which is insane

[obsidian venture]

But you only bin range in solos really

[hasty shard]

but yknooow, burst dps doesnt matter so

[rain fulcrum]

Wdr should just ban dropping the staff at pillar

[hasty shard]

you'll have a free slot by the end of the month iirc so just wait until then

[sacred oracle]

for me 3 brews is a tremendous step up because i was chugging 5 before

[obsidian venture]

Wish

[sacred oracle]

prayer is becoming my limiter as i push invos

[obsidian venture]

Slow changes tho…

[rain fulcrum]

I wonder if a surge pot is worth more than smh like a masori helm

[hard axle]

better off kerising then bringing 3 brews

[obsidian venture]

Flick a bit

Lazy flick even

[obsidian venture]

[hasty shard]

tbh i dont see why it wouldnt

+110 in 2 or so rooms or some more dps at like p2

[obsidian venture]

If he’s speccing yes

If not then no

No quiver so he loses maxes

With quiver, helm in the bin

[hasty shard]

oh quiver diff ic

[obsidian venture]

Unless you bring a vring

[sacred oracle]

i've so far been trying to zcb baba, nothing on kephri because i can't figure out when i would do that, i was doing 4 or so zcb specs at zebak with adrenaline but i think i'm supposed to save all adrenaline for wardens

[hasty shard]

milliseconds away from flaming mox to get cape upgrades xdd

[hard axle]

[sacred oracle]

i might try dropping a ppot for a surge pot

i'm only at 305 rn tho

still trying to get the hang of insanity before i start going up again

[chrome lantern]

So what's the best invoc level for purples/hr if I'm going for Masori chaps now with the changes

Was thinking about dropping a few invocs from 500 since I heard 450 is good

[hasty shard]

i dont think anything above 500 is good now

[sacred oracle]

i'll let you fellas know next time i do a run if someone wants to watch and see what i'm fucking up

[chrome lantern]

Yeah just wondering if it's even worth me doing a 500 vs a 450 if I'm not swarming due to overlords/skill issue/not using chins in my 500s, was thinking of taking off overlords, path 1, and keep back and idk some other 10 pts

[hasty shard]

its proobably worth taking stuff off that fucks you up now ig?

if the unique increase is marginal

thinly veiled way of saying skill issue though

[chrome lantern]

I haven't looked deep into the math I just feel like those are the things that could speed me up

My 500s take like 33-36 minutes rn

(Didn't really notice any speed change with update)

[obsidian venture]

depends on time really

but 450s

[hard axle]

mannn, they nerfed rock cake pneck

it used to proc from 22 -> 20 hp

and now it only procs from 21 -> 19 hp

[chrome lantern]

Jagex estimates say 25% rarer in 450 than 500 so was just wondering if that's faster enough to be worth it

[hard axle]

[chrome lantern]

Wasn't pneck always 20% hp to proc? So it was erroneously proccing at 20 before?

[hasty shard]

tf

im not too knowledgeable in the redemption area how important is that 1 hp

cause you could proc with like a venom sack

[next root]

The “scroll box” is a case and the “scroll case” a box, thoughts?
Box - a rigid typically rectangular container
Case - an outer covering or housing

[hasty shard]

(with tick loss)

[hard axle]

not too important

I just noticed it when I was trying to proc neck

and it didnt

99.9% of use cases remained the same

[glad abyss]

5 clue stack limit sucks, js

[chrome lantern]

I wish it stayed at 3 min timer and no stack

[glad abyss]

i wish jagex would give us what we want

[frail bough]

I wish I was an oscar mayer wiener

[chrome lantern]

Uhm ackshually

It's "I wish I were"

[velvet acorn]

So wait, they said they were going back to the drawing board on stackable clues and said nothing for a few weeks to just release the same thing we had issues with???

[chrome lantern]

?

Wym

[small anvil]

There was a whole poll and everything

The thing people had issues with was removing juggling

And the step complete tradeable

[meager flame]

ya he went into a coma or something and missed a month of the discussion but tbf

[chrome lantern]

Mostly the tradeable

[small anvil]

Which both got axed

[meager flame]

jagex honestly didn't really engage with the feedback

their whole loop was mostly "oh skips are bad? deleted"

[small anvil]

The skips being deleted was a good thing

Them backing down on the juggling timer was also a good thing imo

But I'm aware some people disagree on it

[meager flame]

they basically released a whole blog and just deleted a few of the paragraphs and its what we got

which is fine but like

idk they honestly didn't really engage

[small anvil]

I think this implementation is fine tbh

[glad abyss]

1 star day, logged off

[small anvil]

The thing I hated most was the summary removal of the juggle timer and acting like they were doing people a favor

[meager flame]

the part that blew my mind was like

[small anvil]

Well, I hated the skip thing too but that was like obviously bad

[meager flame]

they came up with all of these reasons, firm language and beliefs about what was best

showed it to all of us

then said you know what nevermind and just pretended that didnt happen

lmfao

[small anvil]

Yeah they were crafting the narrative

Juggling is awful, we're saving you from yourself

No discussion

[glad abyss]

they didnt wanna put the dev time in, they just gave us the easiest solution i bet

[small anvil]

Then there was backlash (understandably imo)

[meager flame]

they looked like massive clowns because of it because it proved that they're just saying stuff

[small anvil]

And they just said oh we looked again it's not that bad

[meager flame]

like they don't even believe what they're saying lol

[small anvil]

They do that all the time

They're so ready for people to not like things they will try to shape a poll or narrative for changes

Poll questions are a joke for feedback, they just want a rubber stamp

[meager flame]

they really just dont have confidence because

if they actually meant what they were saying

[small anvil]

They're afraid the community says no

[meager flame]

they would just make the change and explain it after

[small anvil]

And they wasted dev time

So they try to stack the deck in their favor

[meager flame]

because a lot of that stuff wasn't polled in the first place

[nocturne solstice]

Shoulda kept em unstackable

[meager flame]

they just collapsed when confronted with pushback

[chrome lantern]

I do think juggling was awful yeah

Is

I also think it was way too late to poll the 1hr timer

[glad abyss]

i would rather have unstackable clues than this shit version that we got

[chrome lantern]

Like people never vote yes on a nerf

[small anvil]

Yeah I know you have that opinion and I respect it etube

[chrome lantern]

And it was in the game way too long

[small anvil]

I came back to the game during 1hr timer

And would have hated losing it

And like it did pass a poll

After however many years lol

[meager flame]

i think they're just misusing integrity changes if they're ever in a situation like that

like

if they can write a blog like that then immediately fold

why were they even making the blog and pushing that change

they didnt believe in it

[vestal jetty]

Wtf is 1 hr timer??

[small anvil]

I'm pretty sure they decided juggling timer and stack was op, they put the work into stack cuz people want it. Then they have to justify nerfing the timer

[white narwhal]

It’s literally day 1 of the changes…

[nocturne solstice]

Clues take 1hr to despawn on the ground

[small anvil]

And to justify removing 1hr they have to make it sound bad

[white narwhal]

Over reacting like day 1 Yama release

[small anvil]

Yet they didn't have the guts to say it's op

[meager flame]

i think the actual result is fine its only better

[small anvil]

So they just said people hate it! (No citation)

[meager flame]

i probably wouldn't have done what they did but

what we have as of today is fine

its still weird

[small anvil]

I think the final implementation is fine

[meager flame]

but its better

[small anvil]

I would rather have the threshold not be per clue tier

But that's whatever

[meager flame]

i still think the thresholds around some of them are like

wrong honestly

elites specifically

[small anvil]

Mostly I'm annoyed that elite is hard to get the threshold

When you're making masters

[meager flame]

yeah its easier to do 150 masters than 150 elites with how most people play

[small anvil]

But 3 elites is fine

[meager flame]

so its really weird

[small anvil]

So I'm not super fussed

[meager flame]

elites honestly should probably require the fewest total out of any tier

that doesn't look nice but

its how the game really plays lol

[small anvil]

Yeah. I think they were just happy that things passed and wanted to get on with it

My read of things is that jagex hates the polling system lol

And they will rig things in their favor at every turn

[craggy radish]

Unlimited unstackables when

[small anvil]

Not gonna happen lol

[nocturne solstice]

never probably

[craggy radish]

Big shame

[nocturne solstice]

I doubt they rig it though. Otherwise wrathmaw woulda passed

[small anvil]

Unlimited stack gives people 0 reason to actually do them

[craggy radish]

Bankspace and rewards, what

[small anvil]

Rig it as in rule things in their favor with slanted poll questions

Not rule

Tilt

[white narwhal]

This chat is turning into a smear campaign…

[small anvil]

Took me a bit to figure out what the word had autocorrect from

[nocturne solstice]

I dont think it's rigging when the strategy to unrig it is to just read the questions

[small anvil]

It's more in the sense of a social science bad survey practices

[nocturne solstice]

Rigging is moreso just adding votes or not counting votes

[small anvil]

I'm not claiming that

You can rig things in your favor without ballot stuffing

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah, I'm saying thats what rigging is and you said they "will rig things". It's just an odd thing to say.

[small anvil]

Competitions can be rigged

[nocturne solstice]

Neither of us mentioned competitions or claimed anything about competitions not being riggable

I dont know why you're bringing that up

[small anvil]

I'm saying there's other definitions of rigging

That aren't ballot stuffing

Which I never claimed

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah but we're talking about the polls. I dont think anyone would consider poorly worded questions to be rigging.

[small anvil]

Tilted in their favor then

The questions aren't unintentionally worded badly

[chrome lantern]

I have no doubt that the way they word questions skews votes heavily

[nocturne solstice]

This creates an assumption that they have a preference at which point its like. Why would they even poll anything then.

[chrome lantern]

Whether intentional or not

[nocturne solstice]

They didnt have to poll stackable clues

[small anvil]

They're often worded in a way that is more favorable to the yes

[hard axle]

poorly worded question is absolutely a tilter

[chrome lantern]

They absolutely have a preference lmao

[small anvil]

They do have a preference

[hard axle]

as for them rigging it outright? I doubt it

They wouldn't have to had lowered it to 70% if so

[small anvil]

The preference is for dev work not to be wasted

[nocturne solstice]

Then why even poll it when they can rig it by not doing it

[small anvil]

I never claimed the results were fake

[chrome lantern]

I think rig is a strong word

[small anvil]

Please stop insisting on that

[chrome lantern]

Influence probably more accurate

Undue influence

[hard axle]

they absolutely tilt the fuck out of the results though

the wording is massive

[small anvil]

Tilted then

[hard axle]

I think it was 2020

but they did some double negative type shit

for SOTE?

like bro

[small anvil]

Rig in the context of votes does go too far as a word choice sure

But like they absolutely have desired outcomes

And arrange things so they're more likely

[nocturne solstice]

Better questions would definitely be a plus though

ngl they are definitely weird with the double negatives now and then

[small anvil]

Has any question ever been worded in a way that would mistakenly cause no votes

[nocturne solstice]

Yes? Thats the double negatives

Rat mentioned the SOTE thing and I recall the 1hr timer clue thing was like that too

[small anvil]

I'd argue you could say the 1hr question they wanted to fail

[hard axle]

oh thank FUCK they didn't keep this lmao

If stats are reduced to a level below your base stat, the potion's effect will wear off.

Divine potions btw

[small anvil]

Brews lol

Brew scb

[hard axle]

hmm, don't think it was sote actually

[meager flame]

oh yeah they definitely tilt everything they really care about

like take the new skill stuff i even agree with them that we do need progression and more skills over time but lol

thumb was on the scale heavy

reduce the % to pass develop a whole new polling process just for the skill

go back on their word with how they would handle two options being close to each other

etc

they're actively at war with their own polls

which is maybe necessary once in awhile like with knowing that they really should make a new skill

but i think they also just get into their own heads about wanting to do things and spin narratives when they dont need to

they just need to make sure they're doing it because they need to do it when they do it

and not just because they're creative people that wish there wasn't something telling them what they can do

i think they kinda fumble that occasionally

[nocturne solstice]

Do you not think its a wild take that they reduced the polling % specifically to add a new skill?

[hard axle]

[meager flame]

no

[nocturne solstice]

I woulda assumed it would be for PVP and wildy content since that was what failed the day? before the changes to the percent

[hard axle]

Before that, basically nothing failed outside of wildy content

there was no reason to lower it other than immediate concern

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah so logically it would be wildy content to pass

and not for skilling which wasnt even on the horizon and as you said, would probably pass

[meager flame]

i think most wilderness content still fails by more than that

[hard axle]

sorry, controversial wildy content

there are wildy content that still passed

voidwaker

agility course

etc.

[meager flame]

i feel like that 5% was very calculated im ngl

[nocturne solstice]

The changes were on oct 27, oct 27 was also the day a wildy suggestion failed at 74.8%

the suggestion was allowing spec orb use in wildy

[hard axle]

If they polled BH gear to be useable in wildy, it would fail, on god

[hard axle]

this, was geniunely stupid by the community

[meager flame]

im also ngl

that should not even be a question on a poll

[nocturne solstice]

I agree, for the wildy content

[hard axle]

in pvp, you aren't using spec orbs as often as you'd think

I would use it more for doing clues than that

[nocturne solstice]

70 is a nice whole number and would make sure it'd pass in the future

[meager flame]

if they looked at that poll and said 5% was the fix im scared for them

they should've looked at it and been like

why are we even polling this

thats exactly the kind of thing you put in the game for its own good

without a poll

[nocturne solstice]

I would assume it was more like "well 74.8% do want it and it barely failed. 70% is still the majority and we can discount some of the hate votes" or something.

[meager flame]

you could say that for a million little things though

[nocturne solstice]

what else failed at 74%?

[meager flame]

its just with the issue specifically they would hopefully be able to see how its nonsense to put that up for a vote

[nocturne solstice]

or even just the 71-74% area

[chrome lantern]

Amylase from sepulcher failed at 72% :(

[hard axle]

oh and the bundling of questions is massively annoying

[nocturne solstice]

Good

[hard axle]

[meager flame]

ya they do that every time they want specific outcomes

[nocturne solstice]

Thats fair complaint for sure

[meager flame]

either the way they want it or they take their ball and go home

honestly

when it comes to pvp balance

there should not be polls

[nocturne solstice]

Why not?

Is it because of concern for spite voting?

[meager flame]

because people will not vote based on game balance

they'll vote with their feelings depending on which side of dying they're on

its the same reason we dont poll the exact stats on armor etc

[true talon]

If my job depended on me producing content for a game, im not gonna let one of the most anti-change communities vote on everything that needs to be developed without some level of tricky wording.

[meager flame]

like people can say if they want armor or not right

but they can't say no change the str bonus by 4

[nocturne solstice]

Do you say this because you think the changes would be in your favour and that you dont need the opportunity to say no to some changes?

[hard axle]

where it comes to balance*

[meager flame]

no its because someone that isn't going to be biased has to come in and make the numbers actually make sense for the health of the game

[hard axle]

people often do not vote in their favor

[meager flame]

and a massive crowd of players will not be able to do that

[true talon]

Everything ive ever voted for was perfectly fine coming into the game and has made it better. i havnt voted on an update that was a deteriment to the game.

[rain fulcrum]

This isn't a wild take at all

[nocturne solstice]

Its kinda weird. We get shown the stats then we vote for it with the usual tag of "as described in the blog"

[hard axle]

ge tax wasn't polled for that very reason

[meager flame]

they'll be worried about how much gp they make or their investments

[nocturne solstice]

Its very wild to think they changed the entire thing for skilling

[meager flame]

if they'll die more easily

if something will be harder for them

etc

none of that should matter

[rain fulcrum]

They already knew they wanted to add a new skill and that is hard to pass new skill

And they don't want to falsify polls cuz someone will leak

[earnest marsh]

ye, i mean the polled sailing 5 times now?

last 15 years

[nocturne solstice]

As we've discussed and as people always say, polls pretty much always pass unless its wildy related.

[rain fulcrum]

Obvious solution was to decrease the threshold

[meager flame]

the whole process was made for sailing its not just the 5%

[earnest marsh]

true, botted to hell

[meager flame]

its how they walked us into it where they asked do you want a skill

okay now which skill

and so on

[nocturne solstice]

Thats even more conspiracy theory to say it was for sailing and not new skills

[meager flame]

ya sailing is new skills

[earnest marsh]

i mean, they made two oterh weird skills

and made it so they just explain it in 10 setences

[meager flame]

they didn't force specifically sailing until later

[earnest marsh]

xD

[nocturne solstice]

I wonder if we'd be even having this discussion if shamanism passed

[meager flame]

but they did lure people into a skill

by design

[true talon]

its because wildy content is pitched poorly.
"do you want to enter multi, skulled and teleblocked to get a 1/30k drop?"
"do you want to be prey for pkers? and when your not there wll be bots all over the content?"

[earnest marsh]

like how hard is it to imagine sailing in the game, meanwhile wirting some few words about shamnish and taming how it will be ingame

[meager flame]

the part where they favored sailing was when they went back on what they said and didn't poll sailing against shamanism with some more info on both

[nocturne solstice]

Doubt it, pretty sure its because the majority of players just dont like the wildy.

[sinful field]

it would be conspiracy against the goat shamanism instead of sailing

[earnest marsh]

its just insane how to treated the two other skills

[true talon]

"do you want to have a boss that is on certain worlds, in a certain spot at a certain time of day an take 120 years to complete"?

[meager flame]

after they were both close

[rain fulcrum]

They 100% had data

[nocturne solstice]

They'll vote no for anything that gives pkers an advantage

[rain fulcrum]

To guess the pass rate needed

[nocturne solstice]

and vote yes for anything that'll give them an advantage to escape in the wildy and increase gp/hr

[hard axle]

If sailing passed the sailing v shamanism route, people wouldn't have a solid leg to stand on imo

[earnest marsh]

yep, lets put it around 4:00 at night, so that most people cant joni also!

[hard axle]

but because they said they would pitch it head on, and then they didn't

[nocturne solstice]

we have 100% hard data too. The poll results are all published publicly

[true talon]

ofc lol why would the mouse vote against breaking the cats legs

[hard axle]

people griped

[nocturne solstice]

Exactly, its not the pitches being poor

Its just people voting for their own self interests

Which is what the polling thing is for i guess

[hard axle]

congrats, you just landed on why balance changes should not be polled

[meager flame]

tbf

[earnest marsh]

i mean at this time, i wouldnt say were getting sailing xD, were litterly getting map expension with sailing minigame

[hard axle]

and why its not solely pitched badly

[meager flame]

we dont actually have the hard data

we just have a trust us these are the numbers post from jagex

[true talon]

I actually love the wildy, i think its one of the most overpowered ironman zones in the game

[meager flame]

its unreasonable to expect anything else of course

[nocturne solstice]

Thats like, total conspiracy at that point.

[meager flame]

but yeah we dont actually know lol

[rain fulcrum]

I hate that they use content that could be added independently of sailing existing as justification that sailing makes sense

Like we can't get new islands without having a new skill

[earnest marsh]

yep xD

[nocturne solstice]

Why would they orchestrate an elaborate completely rigged polling system with rigged results to just make big announcements and then not add em into the game (wrathmaw)

[earnest marsh]

here, we give you 60 isalnd with sailing, with new bosses on the island where you teleport in

sailign good?

kekw

xD

[nocturne solstice]

And publish all of it publicly

[true talon]

zombie pirates, revs, blighted pots, blighted ice sacks, multi slayer tasks, increased superior spawn, insane slayer points, blighted food, profitable bosses.

[meager flame]

they probably wouldn't normally

[true talon]

blighted stuff can be used on pvp worlds as well

[rain fulcrum]

Wrathmaw not as important to jagex as adding a new skill

[nocturne solstice]

Its just such a complete waste of resources and time when any other game dev would just remove polls

[meager flame]

doing things legit would be great cover for pushing something once in awhile though

[true talon]

i did my fresh ironmans firecape with blighted mantas and restores XD

[nocturne solstice]

Just add whatever they want

[meager flame]

if you felt like you really had to

[earnest marsh]

i dont alot of wildy and non wildy, and ye, if your goign the poor route, widly becomes alot more viable. but non wildy has so much addition that you kinda cant ingore it much around 60 slayer

[meager flame]

its like how the ge works

[rain fulcrum]

Jagex would do this if they felt the community wouldn't riot

[earnest marsh]

gotta collect acient shards

goraillas

[rain fulcrum]

They definitely don't like polls

[meager flame]

we just assume jagex never went in and just manually changed some stuff

[rain fulcrum]

That's why they considered falsifying them

[meager flame]

but we actually know that before osrs existed

they would change rates on stuff occasionally

[nocturne solstice]

Any reason to think this?

[meager flame]

and never say anything

[true talon]

you can do all that off task

[rain fulcrum]

Mod mat k said he had to justify not falsifying to higher ups

Which means higher ups are not happy about having to poll

[meager flame]

we're pretty much forced to just hope jagex is honest

[true talon]

I hope we get some wildy content soon

[earnest marsh]

ye, i have no idea why polls is in teh game, sure they listen to maybe 0,1% of the community, and only the most popular ones, and add it or something, and ye they listen^^. i played games where dev listen to the gamers 100x better, but i guess maybe its harder in the most popular games.

but ye all polls just auto pass, and basically waste of valueable time

[hard axle]

yeah, jagex needs to still give off the image of "players have the power" no matter what - they will NEVER abandon this.

[true talon]

id love to break out the rev weps

[meager flame]

i think they genuinely are most of the time but i also think that if they were put into a position where they felt like they were going to lose a lot of money or players

they'd probably do anything

[hard axle]

This is actually a huge drive for people to join because they're disastified with other games

[earnest marsh]

eeeh, they could just removed the poll, and implment sailing, like they wanted to 10 times last 15 years

[true talon]

Also can we break rev emblems into ether yet?

[earnest marsh]

doesnt really matter

[nocturne solstice]

Since Mod Mat K left (2019) we've had the owners of Jagex change and the CEO change.

I can agree with it being relevant then but now its like..

[rain fulcrum]

Yeah and then they lowered the poll threshold

[nocturne solstice]

need more eveidence

[meager flame]

yeah but then they'd have to deal with the blowback of doing what they wanted in the open

[rain fulcrum]

Because polls get in the way of delivering on their roadmap

[earnest marsh]

there been tons of backlash with sailing

[meager flame]

if all they had to do was nudge a few things around and it was a big enough deal

[true talon]

kinda glad k elft, like he was pitching nft bs and crypto into osrs

[meager flame]

to dodge the entire pr fallout

[nocturne solstice]

publicly stating and lowering the pass % is not the same as falsifying poll results

[earnest marsh]

everyone know polling sysmte is so sheet

[meager flame]

it would probably happen

[rain fulcrum]

I never said they falsify them

[earnest marsh]

it basically doenst work xD

[rain fulcrum]

I said they considered it at one point in time

[meager flame]

idk if they've ever had a situation that big though

their new skill prep phase seemed good enough for a skill

[nocturne solstice]

I dont know any other games that have devs hangout in the discord or other social media and chat with users to receive feedback.

[meager flame]

since we're getting on

one*

[rain fulcrum]

The only reason I think they don't falsify polls is that it would get leaked

[meager flame]

never would've happened if we stuck hard to the rules though

[rain fulcrum]

Or have to be kept very under wraps

[earnest marsh]

yee, sure talking is a big word, but implmented the changes and feedback is another thing

[nocturne solstice]

Even devstreams feels kinda recent for other game devs

[earnest marsh]

doesnt matter if the devs talk here and nothing happens in teh game

[true talon]

none do, jagex is absolute treasure of game devs and community, which is why they are growing and doing amazing.

[rain fulcrum]

The drama from that wouldn't be worth it to them

[nocturne solstice]

Normally I dont even know who makes the games aside from company name

[nova mango]

Its not like theyre going to scrap sailing at this point regardless of what polls say they'll just tweak and repoll rather than abandon sailing.

[white narwhal]

Speaking of rules this is borderline witch hunting is it not

[meager flame]

im ngl though

[nocturne solstice]

Who is the witch being hunted?

[rain fulcrum]

Who are we witch hunting

[meager flame]

jagex employees high key get fired for every crime you could think of its actually wild lmao

[white narwhal]

Speaking in regards to rigging polls to manipulate results

[nocturne solstice]

Im not going to shut down people here for complaints or concerns. If people start insulting, swearing, stuff like that then I will.

[rain fulcrum]

I'm just quoting publicly available statements from jagex employees

[hard axle]

agni

[chrome lantern]

Man I sure hate how [insert name here] did [insert controversial thing]

[hard axle]

I got food poisoning from her potion

[meager flame]

like we have S+ tier employee drama

with this game

[nocturne solstice]

That means nothing to me aside from the fire spell from the witcher 3

[earnest marsh]

wait what?

[meager flame]

actually on a level i've never seen from a studio

[nocturne solstice]

and even then I think i misremembered and its igni

[rain fulcrum]

Mod jed

[meager flame]

you have jed you have the guy that made a lot of the music tracks

[nocturne solstice]

[meager flame]

you have mod audi

[earnest marsh]

that was long ago tho

[meager flame]

lmao

it goes hard theres so much of it

[hard axle]

oh its aggie

we all wrong

[nocturne solstice]

[meager flame]

oh and the stella guy idr his name

the list goes on

[earnest marsh]

what did he do?

[meager flame]

rogue in game updates

[earnest marsh]

haha

[true talon]

The rev thing by jed was nuts lol

[meager flame]

that list is incredible though you have the guy compromising account security a guy changing stuff in game presumably for profit

a dude ensnared by egirls

a pdf etc

[nocturne solstice]

I feel like you guys got baited into making a witch to hunt just now 🤔

[meager flame]

idk i dont think we're hunting anyone

[true talon]

humans are corrupted greedy beings what more do you need to know lol. there is levels of this everywhere...

[meager flame]

its just a bunch of stuff that historically happened to the game

ya but what other game studio brings it to you live

they need a TNT sponsorship

[nocturne solstice]

I think most other game studios just shutdown

[earnest marsh]

when then need people who knows java, and good game experince, meanwhile bad salary, you gotta attract weird people right?

[rain fulcrum]

Knowing java is not hard to find

[nocturne solstice]

Iunno check in after 3 more years

[rain fulcrum]

Anyone who knows any normal language can ramp up on Java in a day

[meager flame]

usually its more of like

[nocturne solstice]

All the fresh faced coders dont know any code, only chatgpt

[rain fulcrum]

That's true