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#game-update
hard axle
meager flame
like the "im 2k cg dry" guys
lmao that shit is getting somewhat unhinged but
thats really unusual
hard axle
like the "im 2k cg dry" guys
i've only hit the 4x mark, but it was like a 250 hour dry streak
meager flame
i think if jagex could come up with a good way to do bad luck protection its like
probably for the best just in general
i just have no idea how they'd do it
like i dont think anyone cares if someone goes 2x but it probably should have a mercy rule basically at some point
rare grotto
i can see how it's going to play out already
jagex implements some form of blm at 7x -> piss casual irons complain it's too high -> reduce it to 2 or 3x
-> impacts entire economy
as u can tell i love ironman and its grip on game design
meager flame
well i think the bad luck stuff would be for everyone
i dont even know what the most unlucky i've been was
14 unsired for a bludgeon was the most recent one
thats not that insane though
chrome lantern
No Masori chaps while on rate for 55 purples :/
hidden ridge
@winter hearth
sorry for random mention but did you guys actually update the yama elite clue rate, me and my partner both have a 1 in 100 elite clue rate
chrome lantern
What's it supposed to be, it's pretty likely to see a lot of variance
rare grotto
<@958735975754903594>
sorry for random mention but did you guys actually update...
ironman tag
hard axle
masori leather + arma component
meager flame
im just waiting on them to try something really crazy
hidden ridge
not the first and last time jagex have made a mistake of drop rates, its on the <1% chance so im just asking
meager flame
like a raid coming out and all of the drops can break down and be turned into each other
lmao they try to reinvent the wheel for drop rates every time some crazy idea is coming
chrome lantern
Time to mine amascut shards to make Masori strips to combine together into Masori chunks to make into Masori slabs to make into 1/10th of a Masori item
meager flame
im not even kidding after looking at vials of blood
im surprised they didnt add like twisted arrows and shadow runes to cox and toa
ember token
<@958735975754903594>
sorry for random mention but did you guys actually update...
yeah the only possibly reason you guys could be dry is that they changed the rates
no other answer
meager flame
i mean if they're both sub 1% chance of the rate being what they're seeing and they have a decent amount of kc to get those numbers
thats probably the best you're going to get from players to ask if something might be wrong
short of like
getting the wiki involved
i guess you could seek more people with significant kc post change
hidden ridge
yeah the only possibly reason you guys could be dry is that they changed the rat...
for someone with the name data you are incredibly thick
not here to speculate which is why im asking an expert community jmod who could find the answer 😄
winged mantle
The rates 1/30 you're just unlucky 😊
ember token
indeed
tawny tide
ironman tag
Ty
tender loom
Has there been a statement on if they're keeping akkha final phase the way it is?
ember token
Has there been a statement on if they're keeping akkha final phase the way it is...
goblin responded on twitter to a clip of akkha final phase saying that they may have overcorrected on the amount of orbs removed
tender loom
goblin responded on twitter to a clip of akkha final phase saying that they may ...
thank you
true talon
goblin responded on twitter to a clip of akkha final phase saying that they may ...
It did seem a bit excessive, but will they change it prob not.
tender loom
i hope not
true talon
also the raid doesnt overall seem faster at all...
as fast as they claimed while gutting the purple rate in half lol
shrewd marsh
does anyone know why Bryophyta takes so long to respawn after killing? feel like needs to be a edit to spawn timer for it.
ember token
she doesnt naturally respawn, you can leave and reenter the boss room, or you can attempt to open the chest (doing so will respawn her)
gentle badge
bryo/obor update is a mess
timber drift
monke hp fix wen
shrewd marsh
she doesnt naturally respawn, you can leave and reenter the boss room, or you ca...
ohhh makes no sense why they would coded it like that.
jade pumice
change seeds back to herbs at COX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tacit wharf
change seeds back to herbs at COX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no, go do yr farm runs
ember token
change seeds back to herbs at COX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
already done
whole glacier
does having a moss giant task while killing bryophyta incur the same droprate changes as the iorwerth moss giants? ie. 1/16 + 1/60 (slayer bonus)
whole glacier
or does having the task treat it like all the lower level moss giants, where your key droprate is not cumulative and set to 1/75 statically
ember token
probably unaffected entirely by your task
whole glacier
not sure about that because bryo is a valid moss giant task target
was, rather months ago
ember token
well the rate was unaffected by moss giant tasks before, and they didn't say in the update that they changed it to be affected
if they did change it, we have no idea how yet
whole glacier
before december 4 2024 you could stack the bonuses and get 1/150 + 1/100 + 1/75
ember token
not at bryophyta
bryo's always been 1/16 for a key, unaffected by slayer tasks
if they shadow changed it, we don't know the details
ember token
yep and if they changed how it works at bryo yesterday, we don't know what they did
ancedotal evidence suggests they might have changed it
whole glacier
need larger sample size
ember token
bunch of people saying the drop rate doesnt seem to be 1/16
whole glacier
a good amount of those bryo kills were no task, a good amount were with wildy moss task
i've only opened 3 chests and got 2 keys from it so far. could just be on the good side of luck
i do have the wildy moss task rn
granted i'm f2p at the moment
ember token
yeah thats such an extremely tiny sample size there are no conclusions that can be taken from it
violet sierra
Does anyone know if the drop rate for keys is still 1/16 from obor/bryo?
whole glacier
according to jagex it's 1/16
violet sierra
Thats what it was before the update. I hope it is the same, but I am going dry af for them, and sounds like im not the only oen
ember token
we dont know any details if it was changed
whole glacier
moss giants should still drop the keys too
violet sierra
yea im 3x dry if its 1/16 so im gonna hold off until they confirm
and yea they do but this is more chill. I hope im just dry
whole glacier
i'm gonna test a little bit on the wildy moss giants in f2p with a task. hopefully it's 1/33 again (:
violet sierra
ohhh yea I heard about that, gl
whole glacier
i'll be in 301 at the wildy mossys
violet sierra
omw
ashen perch
Thats what it was before the update. I hope it is the same, but I am going dry a...
they updated it?
also cool crab
violet sierra
they updated it?
probably not, but I am going quite rare if it is 1/16. and thanks 🙂
ashen perch
probably not, but I am going quite rare if it is 1/16. and thanks 🙂
why the extra d?
violet sierra
Someone already took Maryland lol
ashen perch
Someone already took Maryland lol
does Maryland_ not work?
because " _" its at the end right
violet sierra
thats taken too. Ive also had this for like 8 years so I just keep it!
ashen perch
very nice state
violet sierra
Agreed 😄
timber drift
wen monke hp fix
sacred oracle
fixed how?
timber drift
no when..
sacred oracle
vivid ruin
What what
nocturne solstice
A couple people are upset that despite the guaranteed max hit for the correct style, shamans and cursed baboons at Baba puzzle room are now 3 and 2 hit respectively for the blowpipe using less than dragon darts and without boosts. These were previously possibly 1h pre-update.
It's not bugged or anything so "fix" is very inaccurate. They moreso want a nerf to baboons.
sterile breach
Shaman are terrible now and they absolutely slap with the magic damage
fair comet
It's not bugged or anything so "fix" is very inaccurate. They moreso want a nerf...
It’s not a bug; it’s a feature!
nocturne solstice
I usually bring chins so there usually arent enough thralls for the shaman to start slapping
timber drift
was <2hits before usually often 1shot almost always 2shot
nocturne solstice
plus using volatiles to blow em both up
vivid ruin
plus using volatiles to blow em both up
Yeah i usually ignore melee nd let volatiles kill them for so i can focus on everything else (when i solo mainly)
Which basically means range everything and poke the rangers
timber drift
had to start using dragon darts to kill shit unpotted
need masori to fix
jagex i demand masori top next chest as an apology
chrome lantern
Oh UIM I see
timber drift
nerfs a nerf 
chrome lantern
I just feel like it’s the same issue you’d have with boulders anyway
hasty shard
again, you can use lizardkickers which is probably like 1 minute to get tops
timber drift
I just feel like it’s the same issue you’d have with boulders anyway
u can put bp accurate with avas
timber drift
again, you can use lizardkickers which is probably like 1 minute to get tops
brother im not detouring 2 minutes each raid
chrome lantern
Ok then use it on accurate in monkeys idk
timber drift
or they can fix the room
chrome lantern
It’s not broken
vivid ruin
again, you can use lizardkickers which is probably like 1 minute to get tops
Lizard wat?!
chrome lantern
It’s nerfed in the sense you take way more damage but the rest is fine lmao
Needing good gear to go faster is perfectly balanced
timber drift
It’s nerfed in the sense you take way more damage but the rest is fine lmao
so its nerfed glad we figured that out
i need much better gear than before to get the same results as before
actually, still worse results than before
not just me btw
everyone
vivid ruin
hasty shard
you literally already got answered by goblin and you keep spamming the channel every hour
chrome lantern
Believe it or not, I have done ToA, I’m aware it affects more people
I have a midgame GIM as well
timber drift
so y u yappin u gotta join the fix monke movement
timber drift
why are you talking to me as if im wrong in asking if they can look at it
timber drift
not when
chrome lantern
They looked at it and intentionally put it in that way
timber drift
yall mad over nothing
timber drift
I’m yapping because you’re entitled
im a paying customer asking when they are gonna fix the bad design that nerfed the room for almost everyone
vivid ruin
why are you talking to me as if im wrong in asking if they can look at it
Is baba room easier or harder 
hasty shard
right nerfed room where theres -2 waves and baba does zero damage so you can fuck up the room infinitely more now
chrome lantern
im a paying customer asking when they are gonna fix the bad design that nerfed t...
Brother, the entire point of the sweep-up was to nerf ToA, just look at the loot changes
hasty shard
literal skill issue
chrome lantern
I’m pissed they made Masori 20% rarer in 500s but it was necessary
vivid ruin
Is hoofi Rays alt?
hasty shard
clams
timber drift
What do you think the word hostile means
whatever behaviour you're showing here
im a simple man i ask when fix monke
hasty shard
yeah it shows
chrome lantern
lmao
timber drift
it is in reply to hostility
chrome lantern
If you think that’s hostile then idk
timber drift
yeah it shows
hasty shard
if ultimate ironman is too hard to play for you or the content is too chafing, there's the option to de-iron
timber drift
gonna nuke my ddart stack
chrome lantern
I guess if you thought you were being hostile you’re pretty bad at it is what I mean because I didn’t even notice
hasty shard
its clearly impacting your quality of gameplay
chrome lantern
My reply was entirely a joke
timber drift
if ultimate ironman is too hard to play for you or the content is too chafing, t...
dont think its hard just dont wanna nuke my ddart stack where i didnt have to before
vivid ruin
timber drift
gl on your midgame gim chief you'll get there some day
chrome lantern
?
timber drift
i am wishing you the best of luck on your midgame group ironman, hope that clears things up
chrome lantern
Just confused by the last half
timber drift
yeah it shows
true talon
right nerfed room where theres -2 waves and baba does zero damage so you can fuc...
Been watching my TOA friends say baba is harder now.... so they go back to red-x im like????????
one literally died trying to sit on the coffin an then baba did a shockwave an he ran off it to dodge an got hit a 99 XD. im like bro stop trying to setup red-x an sit on the fucking boulder.....
Boss does no damage and the monkeys have no tick delay on killing them..... how can you literally not have an easier room lol
nocturne solstice
The person they were replying to was talking about Baba. Please dont lash out at everyone because of your frustrations with the update.
nocturne solstice
People dont have to like or support your feedback especially other players. You of course don't have to support their opinions either.
Tassili didnt comment on your feedback at all
timber drift
i'm aware but the fact of the matter is they started being rude about it
nocturne solstice
So lashing out at them is completely unrelated to the negativity towards your feedback
timber drift
it goes both ways
yes, sorry tassi
speaking of baba theres no indication of where the bananas will spawn and they spawn 2 now not sure if intended
timber drift
So lashing out at them is completely unrelated to the negativity towards your fe...
maybe moderate when others do it too then 👍
can't take this seriously now unfortunately
vivid ruin
Lol
nocturne solstice
Then commenting on your feedback is different from randomly telling a user "No one is talking about baba" and just lashing out when they havent even said anything to you
nocturne solstice
cry about it
Same way I didnt moderate on you early harassing others because I tend to give people a bit of leeway. I understand things get heated.
But Tassili was completely unrelated
timber drift
source?
ya and i said sorry
now you're just making stuff up
time to be consistent chief
nocturne solstice
What do you mean? I just replied to the comment on you insulting others
timber drift
i understand i come off as crude sometimes but again that goes both ways
they can not like my feedback or disagree but no need to be rude about it
vivid ruin
timber drift
leeway for thee but not for me
nocturne solstice
Where is the comment of them being rude? I see etube telling you to range pot, use accurate in monkeys, and needing good gear being fine. What was the insult?
I just said I gave you leeway earlier for your insults is that not leeway for you?
minor whale
How was the room nerfed for everyone? It's easier than ever before across almost all metrics
timber drift
nocturne solstice
Shamans and Cursed require more hits to kill and thats about it
timber drift
How was the room nerfed for everyone? It's easier than ever before across almost...
more hits to kill on average
nocturne solstice
Its moreso a problem for bp than people using bowfa or something else
minor whale
Yeah but it's consistent and that's really not a big deal
nocturne solstice
I also dont find it a big deal but it is for some users. This user is UIM
timber drift
according to you
nocturne solstice
So it impacts them more
timber drift
eh you also cant oneshot shamans with bowfa for example
it's just a straight up nerf
nocturne solstice
Asking you "what do you think hostile means" is not an insult, while "skill issue" can be again, I give people some leeway just as I did give you.
people can get heated in a discussion
timber drift
kk soz
nocturne solstice
its all g, I get that you're frustrated but like Goblin said it's something they'll consider changing
Hopefully by next week they have enough data from the changes to justify nerfing the hp a bit
I do think it was a bit... weird to say they got a slight hp increase when it went from 12 to 50
timber drift
not particularly frustrated with it anymore mostly with what i said earlier
vivid ruin
They can maybe add a "critical hit" mechanic so that sometimes it rolls a chance to 1 hit with bowfa? 🤷♂️
timber drift
have to use ddarts its shit but not the end of the world
nocturne solstice
technically we already critical hit since max hits are guaranteed now 🙃
Since max hits get that fancy hitsplat
vivid ruin
True true
I mean like with keris on scarabs. But imo if the whole path is overall easier, i dont see why the puzzle should change
nocturne solstice
Im personally fine with it since it does give incentive to bring more switches or use bowfa
Despite the hp changes I did find the room a lot faster which was a common complaint iirc
timber drift
I mean like with keris on scarabs. But imo if the whole path is overall easier, ...
a common issue with this is removing skill expression from certain aspects of the raid
nocturne solstice
So thats nice, baba puzzle doesnt take as long
timber drift
adjust for 1 or 2 shots is much more skillful than 2shotting every time
same with baba just completely getting gutted with no prayer hits
kinda just removing methods
i get that it can be bullshit sometimes tho
nocturne solstice
Id say the skill expression now is from rapid gear switches rather than just waiting and reacting by clicking again or something.
vivid ruin
Do volatiles have a chance to 1 hit summoners
hazy zodiac
have to use ddarts its shit but not the end of the world
To be fair, with backpack and dragon darts you maybe are going to lose 5 ddarts per raid at baba puzzle, not the end of the world
hazy zodiac
It’s not a nerf when the room is faster though
timber drift
going in circles here
obsidian venture
How was the room nerfed for everyone? It's easier than ever before across almost...
Funnily enough, the time for waves is faster for both solo/teams
Now you’re able to get 1:2x waves in solo, saving like 10s-15s
Only really impacts non bp users or weird accounts
While bowfa did 1 hit them before, killing with a bp varied hit wise, which has been made more consistent
timber drift
i feel that is more a product of the -2 waves
potential speed will always be higher with ability to oneshot
i hear you consistency can be nice but i feel the current hp values disproportionately affect some accounts or lower geared people, or even higher geared people with always haved to 2shot cursed and could with some tweaking (hence im asking when)
could be better from a design standpoint
trying to put it more succinctly
for our avid reader
which is always gonna be a problem with guaranteed maxes in cases like these, specific breakpoints (as opposed to before)
obsidian venture
Tbh I don’t mind 2 shotting them because it’s consistent. I don’t think their focus should be for interesting accounts is all
Overall wave times are faster so it’s still a buff
obsidian venture
In teams it’s just as nice
timber drift
gotta seperate those
even higher geared irons can not always get 30bp max for cursed
obsidian venture
Removed 2 waves and I’m not wasting extra ticks killing the shaman (which wasn’t consistent)
timber drift
making it guaranteed 2shot as opposed to like 60% oneshot most of the time
but you dont waste extra ticks, was like sub 50% to oneshot shamans
so 2 hits almost guaranteed and 3 is rare
i feel ppl are just ignoring that fact
obsidian venture
Rather go for consistency over rng
obsidian venture
We simply disagree is all
minor whale
I don't think 1 hitting them consistently is good game design either though
Having both is just way too strong
obsidian venture
If they wanted to change it, I wouldn’t mind it yes. But I also don’t mind if they don’t as well due to faster waves in general plus a consistent shaman/cursed
fair comet
If they wanted to change it, I wouldn’t mind it yes. But I also don’t mind if th...
Yay i was looking for a TL;DR and you read my mind
timber drift
I don't think 1 hitting them consistently is good game design either though
almost as if the hp fixes are weird
obsidian venture
Plus I have no sympathy for folks that bowfa waves as well 🤝
timber drift
same but ppl with bowfa in general
fair comet
is bowfa BIS anywhere?
frail bough
according to bowfa users, its bis everywhere 🙃
vivid ruin
Bowfa is never bis. But its always top 3 in places that its useful
obsidian venture
is bowfa BIS anywhere?
No
hasty shard
I don't think 1 hitting them consistently is good game design either though
yeah why tf were shamans so low hp even
aren't they meant to be tanky
timber drift
pretty sure their design was deal with these quick or suffer
fair comet
sunfire splinters below 200gp
timber drift
but who knows
fair comet
what a time to be alive
ember token
just blessed my quiver the other day for 33m
minor whale
I spent like 140m on release to bless 😭
Then they said hey what if blessing it is pointless and you can just shove shards in there and it'll eventually bless itself over time
vivid ruin
Jagex we need splinter sink immediately
minor whale
Quiver needing to be blessed was so dumb
fair comet
I spent 66m to bless mine about 3 months ago
minor whale
Everyone knew it was just gonna be bot farmed to fuck
ember token
time to remove splinters from wave 1
fair comet
I was so excited to get double DC last night only for me to realize splinters are 198gp
I mean it’s still good money i guess
yeah on the mmg its still the “most consistent” money maker. 9.8m per hour. But it was 15m per hour not too long ago
velvet orchid
time to remove splinters from wave 1
Should of been done ages ago tbh
frail bough
surely bots wont figure out wave 2
ember token
they're not guaranteed from wave 2
and completing wave 1 and wave 2 is twice as long as just doing wave 1
frail bough
👍
ember token
no stopping the bots, can only make it not as easy as it currently is
frail bough
its a good place to start but it wont prevent the botting
which means it only affects actual players
ember token
well i mean it does actually mean a lot more work is required for botters
frail bough
and IMO, a bis cape being also one of the bis money makers is dumb as hell anyway - no matter what it will always go down in gp
fair comet
Are there dead ass wave 1 colo bots? Is this why sunfire splinters are sub 200gp?
ember token
a script to farm colo is a lot more complex and has higher level and gear reqs than basic ass scripts farming wave 1 with cheap gear
frail bough
"more work for botters" just means simplifying something as much as possible once and letting a computer do the job for however long until ban
if they combined wave 1 update with something like you pay 500k per death no matter what items you have, then maybe it works out
ember token
"more work" means more time they have to invest into the account, meaning more time for them to get caught and banning, meaning more time required to get a new account ready to do the content again
frail bough
again, would be a great first step but at the end of the day nobody is wasting their time doing this, it's a computer
even if it manages to get rid of botting at colo, they just go elsewhere, where someone else complains about bots ruining their gp/hour
ember token
you're pretty much just arguing that there's no point doing anything to combat bots
hard axle
Wave 1 farming by bots more than likely provided a majority or supermajority of the splinters, which is why they’re so cheap as it’s a one time infusion and quiver charges don’t decrease 1:1 otherwise.
Arguing for wave 1 farming to exist in any form instead of being better to complete colosseum is a bit 
Guarantee 1k-4k splinters at 11 would be better than 50 at wave 1 for longevity and more real players are bringing that in.
rain fulcrum
again, would be a great first step but at the end of the day nobody is wasting t...
Dumb argument. Less people care if bots devalue boring content
But bots farming w1 heavily devalues one of the hardest content in the game
It makes no sense that w1 farming is even an option
What I'm concerned about is jagex has not commented on the splinter issue at all
Someone needs to ping goblin the next time he's on or smth
dreamy fractal
they're well aware of it existing, you'd be silly to think otherwise, they read reddit and chats on the regular and play the game themselves 
rain fulcrum
they're well aware of it existing, you'd be silly to think otherwise, they read ...
They certainly are aware of w1 existing but what they haven't done is commented on how they are losing 50gp value every week for the last month
While they have commented on specific items that will be addressed in the sweepup, the free fall here started after their plans were announced. It's likely the sweepup will do nothing at all for it
And most jmods definitely don't have quivers
dreamy fractal
Not having quivers doesn't mean they don't know the content exists, or if it's botted (or just gold farmed) heavily etc
rain fulcrum
It's a much more urgent issue than shit like manta rays
dreamy fractal
The sweep up also wasn't aiming to clear up botted content
it was aiming to rebalance drop tables etc
it's like, an entirely different issue
rain fulcrum
Okay well they still haven't mentioned that they are going to address the issue
dreamy fractal
Ok
Why do they have to
They don't mention they're gonna adress shittons of stuff
rain fulcrum
it was aiming to rebalance drop tables etc
W1 is a drop table issue
onyx forum
yeah theres only couple examples like sw where botting is the reason for drop table being changed but its different issue tbh
dreamy fractal
It's not - a drop table issue is something being too common from a source. Currently the only source (realistically) of splinters at all is colo
if you think otherwise that's fair but I think that's silly and there's no point arguing with silly
rain fulcrum
Splinters are too common from w1
W1 and farming the real Colo are not really the same content
dreamy fractal
Thought you weren't going to talk to me anymore 
rain fulcrum
Also their dumb fuck unpolled iron change is half the reason for this problem
You're right I'm out
dreamy fractal
Standard main upset his bank lost a lil value so he needs to grind for 20 hours more to afford his next upgrade, get in the hamster wheel goldie 
oblique mesa
Wave 1 farming by bots more than likely provided a majority or supermajority of ...
The antelopes that drop the shards were also being botted like crazy last time I was there :/
ember token
i mean are you sure that's not just people doing hunter rumors
oblique mesa
i mean are you sure that's not just people doing hunter rumors
I mean im not sure that x123uxasdwa might be doing rumors
ember token
would make more sense to see a bot just doing it to train hunter rather than specifically to farm splinters
timber drift
wen monke hp change
rain fulcrum
would make more sense to see a bot just doing it to train hunter rather than spe...
Is still like an 800k/hr or something content to bot
And adds a decent amount of splinter into the game
ember token
really? its that many splinters?
ember token
so not that bad then, ive done some sunlight antelopes but not a lot, thought it was worse
rain fulcrum
Completing the actual Colo is about like 12-18k depending on your rate
So wave 1 is still hella unbalanced
To the point where likely more splinters come in from w1 than people doing the content
stuck mauve
so outside speed running colo is dead content now, real?
rain fulcrum
Still by far the best gphr that isn't unique reliant
Probably about 12m/hr still with decent clear time
stuck mauve
not bad yh
frail bough
Dumb argument. Less people care if bots devalue boring content
Maybe, but i'd argue that people care about the content their doing and I'm sure its safe to assume that more people doing things other than legitimate people doing wave 1 resets, or colosseum as a whole, for money.
Probably a pretty safe bet to say that more people care about zulrah uniques going from 6m to 3m because of bots vs colosseum making 20m to 10m because of bots
Either way its bad but at least its funneled somewhere where it affects less people
vivid ruin
Game integrity is far more important than brokies being able to afford stuff
frail bough
Also just to reiterate in case it got lost in the sauce, its definitely still worth doing
Could maybe even make the argument that wave 1 reset bots are better for the game than full colo completion bots because they dont affects the hiscores and both still bring money in the game that wouldn't otherwise be a part of it.
rain fulcrum
Zulrah uniques impact almost nothing at the boss
And it's a 10 year old boss
Colo is speedrunning to 1gp splinters
Within 2 years
The situation is much worse there
frail bough
and we think thats because why? Possibly its because more accounts use things like trident (which cant be blessed) than the amount of accounts completing colosseum and/or making sunfire runes in order to maintain splinter prices?
surely that cant be why
bots help, sure, but its not the reason splinter prices are going into the dirt - its the reason they are going in to the dirt faster
rain fulcrum
The two major reasons are bots and the stupid infusion change
frail bough
if it werent for ge tax, the same thing ultimately would have happened with arcane/dex prayer scrolls.
items that are one time use for perm unlock, eventually a majority of the players who are going to consume the thing aren't going to be able to maintain the price since there is a cut off of when they need to keep consuming
pretending like colosseum is immune to that is wild, regardless of bots
rain fulcrum
But when you look at the supply of splinters it's definitely mostly the bots that are the issue
The amount going thru the GE is significantly higher in the past month
And that coincides with them crashing
small anvil
Bots have been running rampant the past couple months
Look at aldarium
The only reason it went up was cuz it was name checked
So people expect jagex to take action soon
But last I checked it still was gigantic volume
oblique mesa
Look at aldarium
Mixology has been bot paradise for a while. Biggest slap to the face was when the jmods went there during the bot busting stream and it was empty
hard axle
Game integrity is far more important than brokies being able to afford stuff
Fire and true as fuck
because even if it was affordable from the get go due to good drop rate balance,
lack of game integrity would just makes dogshit since bots
Part of the issue is that they want shit to be accessible to prop up numbers, but that invites bots
obsidian venture
Fire and true as fuck
Always for game integrity and longevity over other things
hard axle
if it werent for ge tax, the same thing ultimately would have happened with arca...
Correct, but how long did it take for cox to reach that point and why does zulrah bounce back more than anything else?
It’s because they have item sinks in game that are ongoing and not one time sinks. Splinters are effectively a one time sink because they don’t drain 1:1.
obsidian venture
Hence why I look down upon some folks chatting here 👀
vivid ruin
Yup bots shouldnt be replacing the grind of players trying to make some money
hard axle
^^^
And if they are because people are so lazy, maybe we should look into fixing it
Like blood shards, add a blood shard source to a vampire boss for morytania grandmaster
rain fulcrum
I'd argue that most new quivers anymore aren't blessed and that the sink still exists but my god quiver consumes them super slowly and it doesn't work on half the weapons
pastel geyser
I'd argue that most new quivers anymore aren't blessed and that the sink still e...
80 hours of pvm and used 5k charges
rain fulcrum
Like why is it acceptable that venbow doesn't even use quiver charges?
Despite benefitting from the buff
minor whale
Quiver charges are insanely slow to deplete
And they don't need to be blessed anymore to not "waste" charges
At this point just drop them blessed and delete splinters
They're used by Tonalztics (lmfaoooooo) and Sunfire runes. That's it lmao
rain fulcrum
i feel like jagex balanced the quiver charges around the assunmption that most people would bless it even if it wasnt worth it to do so
small anvil
They could just up the consumption rate by triple or something
hasty shard
I'd argue that most new quivers anymore aren't blessed and that the sink still e...
my take on this tbh
obsidian venture
Quiver charges are insanely slow to deplete
And they don't need to be blessed an...
I’ve charged them once on release
And it’s barely dented
rain fulcrum
im 5% infused
small anvil
I have to believe that the people who do bot work are busy with other stuff cuz they've been rampant
rain fulcrum
i think it would probably be like 15% if venbow consumed charges
obsidian venture
Spent around 150m for the blessed quiver
hard axle
Like why is it acceptable that venbow doesn't even use quiver charges?
It should be all ranged weapons if it benefits
It’s so dumb
hard axle
Spent around 150m for the blessed quiver
300m because I died twice unparched
obsidian venture
minor whale
They could just have made them a recipe for more things and also made them more common from other places, with quiver turn in guaranteeing a large amount
rain fulcrum
i think quiver should always consume charges, and just have it only give the extra +1/+10 if ammo is consumed
or whatever
minor whale
No wave 1 farming, but have activities across Varlamore drop them in decent amounts
rain fulcrum
so that blowpipers are paying the tax
blowpipe not paying charges is a big part of the problem
minor whale
Nooooo bp can't get +1 ranged strength from difficult content it can only get +3 ranged strength from buyable content!!!
hard axle
Nooooo bp can't get +1 ranged strength from difficult content it can only get +3...
I hate what they’re doing
Like why the fuck is it always +1/2/4 for difficult content
And then even more buyable
hard axle
Gaps literally need to fucking exist and there’s no better place to raise the ceiling than buffing the likes of quiver and infernal cape
rain fulcrum
is it so you can exchange it for splinters or something
hard axle
No
rain fulcrum
why woulkdk u ever want to give up your infusion
hard axle
You trade quiver for splinters at npc
rain fulcrum
yeah i know
but i was assuming maybe u cannot exchange a partially infused quiver
i cant see any othe roptiont o have a dialogue that just loses your infusion lol
hard axle
Like, let’s be real, fight caves and inferno have a massive gap and if they buffed infernal cape to 12, you could add a middle ground minigame that is 8 
rain fulcrum
personally dont have an issue with inferno cape, +4 str is decent
+1 rstr is dfumb tho
i guess it does have the multiammo utility
which is quite nice
altho still not what it was proposed as lol
obsidian venture
Quiver should have never been permanently blessed
rain fulcrum
its cuz fo the ironmen
timber drift
id pay sunfire shards so i could run old monke room
small anvil
Quiver is +1 over assembler
sacred oracle
okay i'm not confused, it's +4
small anvil
And the accuracy doesn't
Extra accuracy
Basically they wanted it weaker on bp
So for bow and cbow it's +4, for bp it's +3
hard axle
So for bow and cbow it's +4, for bp it's +3
they could done +3/6 and it wouldn’t have been an issue lol
frail bough
but that would mean they can't do +5 for next upgrade
sacred oracle
it does seem weird for bis ranged cape to not even guarantee a maxed hit
compared to infernal cape, which always guarantees a max hit over fire cape
small anvil
Range has better scaling
With the weapons they made
BP, tbow
And much less strength available
hard axle
but that would mean they can't do +5 for next upgrade
Since anguish, have we’ve even gotten a single slot that was +5? Masori as a whole exceeded this, but I don’t think anything else has even that high
small anvil
Half a max hit is really small though I agree
hard axle
Even melee often gets +2
frail bough
I'm not even sure tbh
small anvil
Twisted buckler
hard axle
Instead of 4
frail bough
I try not to follow bis upgrades and just rock w/e looks cool cause, most times, its usually the same thing or at least not enough of a difference for it to matter lol
small anvil
They have to give half as many range upgrades as melee to keep the parity between megas
Cuz BP so fast
And tbow also scales harder than scy
And that's why mage gets 1% magic damage... Cuz shadow is dumb
rain fulcrum
mage getting 1% mage damage isnt even true
they are shitting out mage damage faster than any other style
frail bough
<a:PU_PepeQuestionWHAT:747989921876410538>
You aint catching me looking like a fool with mismatched armour, I've done my time sir!
small anvil
I'm just looking at ancestral vs virtus
rain fulcrum
ancestral is 3% tho
small anvil
You're right that they're not being restrained about magic damage in the delve
rain fulcrum
for some reason, delve is only cautious for melee
small anvil
Gauntlet and boots
I feel like melee is the only progression they're happy with lol
Gear gives bonuses at low levels
Range is something for bis or basically nothing
Mage damage is like a farce outside of shadow
(and occult and torm)
hard axle
Range has disproportionately weak gloves too
Ranged unfortunately threw most of its str bonus on ammo that’s why
as the initial balance measure
small anvil
Oyeah I forgot ammo
rain fulcrum
But there's zero progression for mains you just buy the strongest ammo lol
Which also makes it so funny why people cope about not using dragon ammo
Which gives more strength boost than the entire rest of their gear
small anvil
Idk, the scaling in this game is a mess imo
Shadow was a short term fix that long term screwed them over
I'd rather they like doubled the available mage bonus on gear and scaled the weapons back or smth
hard axle
Ranged and melee were simply balanced differently
If they want to similarly distribute the ranged str bonuses from ammo out like they did with shadow/occult, Jagex could
But ranged is fairly healthy atm
And you can always make ranged gear that is X ammo only
kind sail
nah buff quiver
obsidian venture
Plinx made a suggestion for it
true talon
Which also makes it so funny why people cope about not using dragon ammo
Preach I been saying this forever. Not using d arrows is same as not wearing an anguish.
earnest marsh
Buff sunlight Hunter crossbow!
true talon
Yet jagex won’t give a method to irons to obtain d arrows
earnest marsh
Thats fine
Always can deiron
Whats the point of d arrows if you can perma use them
true talon
Soon as you said that anything that follows is discredited
earnest marsh
True
rain fulcrum
Just deiron yeah
true talon
Whats the point of d arrows if you can perma use them
What’s point of ameythst arrows if you can perma use them. What’s the point of having sharks and brews and other consumables if you can perma use them.
rain fulcrum
If mains can get dragon ammo then irons can to
earnest marsh
I mean, i think skilling resorces are way to easy to get
rain fulcrum
The methods exist
earnest marsh
But thats me
true talon
If mains can get dragon ammo then irons can to
You can say that when a new bis ammo comes out that is not buyable.
rain fulcrum
Won't happen
true talon
The methods exist
They don’t, not one that is not rng based.
rain fulcrum
Mining amethyst is RNG too
earnest marsh
Hmm, i guess i wouldnt mind a way to get dragon arrows, but i like gameplay where you gotta find whats best using your resources on
true talon
No it is not, if I set aside 1 hour of mining I will come out with atleast 1k arrows. If I set aside 1 hour of duke or Colo I will come out with possibly nothing. This is not a healthy or good way to do consimables.
earnest marsh
Mining amethyst is RNG too
True, technically possibol to not get a amethyst on 10 hours
rain fulcrum
No it is not, if I set aside 1 hour of mining I will come out with atleast 1k ar...
You're not guaranteed to get a single amethyst in an hour
Just do 10000 hours of colosseum and it will even out just like amethyst does
true talon
Not even sure why they are protecting d ammo so hard for arrows only, meanwhile bolts darts and jav heads are shit out everywhere. And d bolts are like 4.3k each atm
true talon
Won't happen
You say that but a new ammo is something they can power creep next. And it’s about time we got new consumables outside of gear.
hard axle
Yet jagex won’t give a method to irons to obtain d arrows
That’s not what he’s saying at all lmao.
Not matter what, you will need a difference in ammo strength or there’s no reason to use dragon over rune.
What Como was saying is that there’s little to no progression because most of the str bonuses is on the ammo itself and not gear.
even if you reduced dragon ammo from 60 str to 30 and then split it up amongst ranged armor and the ranged weapon, you would still need a gap between dragon and amethyst
true talon
Ofc all the range str gap is on ammo
But 5 str between Amy and dragon is same as not wearing an anguish or 2 pieces of masori
Melee has all the str bonus in neck gloves and ring the armor is piss weak
Which is why the gap between oath and torva even using a non slash wep is very tiny
Magic has same issue as the gap between blood bark and ancestral is also extremely tiny unless you have shadow and that’s because shadow triples every bit of scaling
So if a piece of magic armor has a 2% gap the shadow makes that a 6% gap
Me not having ancestral and using virtus with my shadow is same as missing 9% magic damage 😦
hard axle
You’re still not getting it - this gap you complain about will still exist on dragon ammo vs amethyst ammo even if you moved part of it to armor.
It’s like complaining there’s a gap between Blood Blitz and Blood Barrage or Fire Surge and Fire Blast.
rain fulcrum
You’re still not getting it - this gap you complain about will still exist on dr...
No u see Ironmen should be allowed to use iron arrows with no DPS loss
B/c they are iron men
true talon
No u see Ironmen should be allowed to use iron arrows with no DPS loss
Irons should be given a way to process end game ammo to not suffer a dps loss
If I need dark crabs I go fish them.
If I need p pots I farm the mats
If I need runes I craft them
If I need arrows I ????
It’s interesting we have an entire skill to creating arrows and you can’t actually make d arrows without rng drops
hard axle
If I need dark crabs I go fish them.
If I need p pots I farm the mats
If I need...
Except you can fletch them
You just don’t want to gather the materials
minor whale
But on average you'll get the ammo expected over a period of time > 1 hour
If they made a method that wasn't rng, but was 1/2 the rate of current dragon ammo acquisition, are you saying you'd be happy with that?
hard axle
It was the same for runes too lmao. You had a skill for it, but most just defaulted to shopscape/pseudo GE.
Like, where do you get seeds from? That’s right, PVM.
minor whale
Simply because it's "not rng" is that what makes it acceptable
Because I think that's just kinda ridiculous
Go do the content to get the ammo, the rng we're talking about isn't a 1/500 drop it's like 1/10
hard axle
There’s functionally no difference between hunting dragon arrow tips and ranarr seeds side from the fact you can’t steal dragon arrow tips from npcs
true talon
Except you can fletch them
You can’t gather the materials they are rng drops.
hard axle
so are ranarr seeds
The only difference is how common vs rare they are, which wasn’t your argument at all
rain fulcrum
stop obitching an run some colo
true talon
I prob have more Colo kc than you lol
minor whale
1/9 from ToA for a few hundred ddart tips
1/3 for like 250 dragon arrowtips from Colo
The sources are there and the rng is not very rng
Going dry is like 10kc
Long, sure, but do enough and you'll be hitting the consistent rates for ammo
true talon
Right forgot it’s one of the best normie money makers
hard axle
The only difference is how common vs rare they are, which wasn’t your argument a...
Going back to this, even if you could make 50-100 dragon arrows from scratch an hour, you would still complain.
I know this because runes were the same situation.
minor whale
Irons just love to complain until they're back at shops buying shit like a main to get their resources 
hard axle
it’s never been about it being craftable from scratch for you; it’s about how many you get can per hour.
If Duke was shitting out 1k dragon arrows an hour, you would be elated.
I know the dishonest ass mentality you have, Tass
minor whale
He shits out like 200 an hour tbf pretty good source
Since you don't use them at all there
If the complaint is I'm sad I have to do pvm a lot to get the best pvm items then sorry man that's just like
How it should be
The 2nd bis is easily farmable from consistent places
Just go do the consistent slightly worse thing if you're afraid of going dry on the best thing
sacred oracle
it's okay for everything not to be a common, grindable supply
obsidian venture
Tbf its just a him issue
sacred oracle
that's why the original game mode has trading
true talon
You are right, it’s not enough to justify doing and thus everyone ops for ameythst. And if a consumable invokes that mentality then it’s not in a good spot. Ex scythe charges and blood runes.
minor whale
It's a big reason why those 2nd bis things were even added
hard axle
Just go do the consistent slightly worse thing if you're afraid of going dry on ...
And let’s play with the idea of convertible dragon arrow tops.
The main reason I don’t like the idea of any bones besides superior dragon bones being converted is because of how common dragon bones are.
It would kill amethyst if you converted 1 bone for 2+ arrow tips.
I’ve probably pumped close to 50k dragon bones alone just from noted pvm drops.
true talon
Ameythst is already dead lol it’s an Ironman ammo
minor whale
Lolwat
sacred oracle
what
hard axle
You act like broke ass Irene mains don’t use it lmao
sacred oracle
plenty of mains use ammy
hard axle
are they stupid? Yes. But they’re broke.
true talon
If you can’t afford 1.5k per arrow then I dunno what to tell you
Esp if you have a tbow
sacred oracle
most mains don't have a tbow?
i don't even understand what the point is you're making
hard axle
true talon
Downgrading your anguish to a fury would be less money and same dps as swapping to d arrows
ember token
i use dragon arrows with my bowfa and i actually end up using 0 arrows, its a cool trick
hard axle
Why the hell would you downgrade anguish??
true talon
You wouldn’t but it’s the same dps
hard axle
No seriously, why the hell would you down anguish and INCREASE your hourly cost for the SAME dps
???
slender vapor
Poor mans ammo
sacred oracle
i confess i've lost the thread here
hard axle
He’s lost the plot ages ago
ember token
think about how many dragon arrows you can buy if you sell your anguish
minor whale
Only 5x the traded amount daily as dragon ammo definitely dead iron only ammo!
hard axle
think about how many dragon arrows you can buy if you sell your anguish
I’m gonna sell you to the cartel
obsidian venture
🥱
true talon
If you own a tbow and can’t use d arrows on a main then I dunno what to tell you.
sacred oracle
if you never acknowledge that you were wrong and just keep saying new wrong things, it's like you were never wrong at all
it's brilliant honestly
minor whale
There's a shitload of people for whom the minor dps decrease of amethyst is "worth" the cost difference
In many places it's actually efficient gp/hr to not use dragon ammo at all
hard axle
If you own a tbow and can’t use d arrows on a main then I dunno what to tell you...
Who. Said. Anything. About. Tbow.
Jesus PirateSoftware 2.0
sacred oracle
we're all still out here talking about the last wrong thing, but he's already danced past it and is on to something new
true talon
You don’t need d arrows if you don’t got a tbow
sacred oracle
we are FOOLS
hard axle
sacred oracle
venbow can fire dragon arrows just fine btw
true talon
What you gonna shoot them from? Venator bow I guess
torpid delta
scorching bow exists too
obsidian venture
If you own a tbow and can’t use d arrows on a main then I dunno what to tell you...
Unironically true
true talon
scorching bow exists too
Ok yea scorching and ven bow
ember token
3rd age bow
hard axle
that's why the original game mode has trading
Idk why people expect restricted accounts to have access to the same thing as unrestricted.
UIMs are permanently crippled in terms of gear and they’re mostly happy about it.
minor whale
There's also this super accessible weapon with really good dps that can use a different dragon ammo
And yet a LOT of people still use amethyst because the price difference: dps difference is just very often not worth it for anything less than raids or top 10 moneymakers
Amethyst is a fine middle ground for people of all account progression
Whether that means endgame irons who cba to grind out the numerous dragon ammo sources
Or mains who don't get a gp/hr increase from using them
true talon
Idk why people expect restricted accounts to have access to the same thing as un...
Restricted from ge and trading is not the same as restricted from accessible end game ammo esp if you went though the grind to get to end game.
slender vapor
Ngl, i'm surprised amethyst is so cheap for how awfully slow it is to collect
ember token
Ngl, i'm surprised amethyst is so cheap for how awfully slow it is to collect
it's because people use amethyst as afk mining training
true talon
You seem to confuse iron restrictions with them being ok thst the game world itself is restricting them.
sacred oracle
i would assume someone who makes an iron wants the world to restrict them
rain fulcrum
lmao
sacred oracle
otherwise they would make a main
minor whale
Tassili won't be happy until there's a shop selling dragon arrows and dragon darts for 1m/500 pack (so he doesn't have to click as much)
rain fulcrum
just deiron
hard axle
You seem to be confused about Ranarr seeds and dragon arrow tips both coming from pvm.
and you don’t bitch about potions.
sacred oracle
the point of iron, i thought, is you see the game, and say "i don't want to trade," and then play that version of the game
obsidian venture
Ngl, it would be pretty offensive for him to use d arrows to get reddit tier times. It’s good that you can’t always use bis
hasty shard
Tassili won't be happy until there's a shop selling dragon arrows and dragon dar...
no theres genuinely people who want this
true talon
I see I need to add 2 more to block list as their only meaningful answers is de-iron and go farm rng pvm drops.
sacred oracle
not that you look at the game and say, "i want the game actually to be completely different in drop rates and item availability to suit me"
hasty shard
break down dragon alchs into ammo 😭
hard axle
If your argument is they should drop more ammo sources, then yes, I agree.
But craftable from scratch because you’re too lazy?
minor whale
Remember that time Tassili said "It's sad you have to block people who disagree with you"
I do
That was funny
obsidian venture
Remember that time Tassili said "It's sad you have to block people who disagree ...
If the shoe fits
🤣🤣🤣
true talon
If your argument is they should drop more ammo sources, then yes, I agree.
But ...
More sources is bad for the value of the ammo to mains
hard axle
More sources is bad for the value of the ammo to mains
Not true
obsidian venture
More sources is fine
sacred oracle
i block people who disagree with me all the time
true talon
Which is why they took the scar ess approach
hard axle
It’s a good non-gp drop source
hasty shard
If your argument is they should drop more ammo sources, then yes, I agree.
But ...
tbh i think ammy darts should be easier to get
torpid delta
there are people who don't like vanilla ice cream
alright but those people deserve to be blocked
sacred oracle
how could they be any easier, they're 230 gp a pop
hasty shard
crafting half as much and being guaranteed max diff is 😭
hard axle
scar Essence is dumb as fuck because it’s just GE for runes since irons didn’t want to craft runes and insisted on shopscape meta
minor whale
Yup
hard axle
1 hour of skilling shouldn’t last 100 hours of use
rare grotto
Irons r the problem
minor whale
Scar is literally just GE for irons who don't want to rc
sacred oracle
yeah, i'm continuously baffled by how many iron updates are just recreating the ge experience, only more expensive
at this rate, you could just make an iron-only ge with a 50% tax and call it done
rare grotto
Irons just wanna b mains so bad
hasty shard
would scar mine be fine if you could obtain the essence through any method other than spending gp
true talon
Yea they should get rid of ge and all shops. If you want anything in game you will get it yourself or stand in fally park with an auto typer spamming.
sacred oracle
i don't get shopscape and scarscape
minor whale
That's fine
But paying gp is hilariously dumb
sacred oracle
i just don't get what the value is
hasty shard
mb something like the oathplate smithing so you NEED to sink time to get the item
sacred oracle
i guess it's for irons who don't want to trade but also actually really want to trade when it's convenient
hard axle
would scar mine be fine if you could obtain the essence through any method *othe...
It’s because it was the only way to balance the iron’s shitty desire of not having to skill post-99 on a self reliant account.
minor whale
Yea they should get rid of ge and all shops. If you want anything in game you wi...
But then you'll just cry you don't have a consistent way to get things without rng 😢
hard axle
It’s almost like mains aren’t the ones self restricting
minor whale
i guess it's for irons who don't want to trade but also actually really want to ...
It is
It's for irons who don't want to "get the drop"
Or "do the skill"
true talon
It’s because it was the only way to balance the iron’s shitty desire of not havi...
No it was the only way to keep main rune prices from being floor value due to all the runes coming from pvm or bots. If they made blood runes 50/k an hour then it would have been botted to hell.
hard axle
No it was the only way to keep main rune prices from being floor value due to al...
It wouldn’t have been an issue at all if we didn’t entertain the idea of making 500k runes an hour
rare grotto
I think they love the progression and how fast it is on account creation, and after that they just don't realize the game isn't fun for them
hasty shard
nerf shops 
rare grotto
But cope nontheless
minor whale
No shit dude if they made a method to get 10x the resources with no input it'd make that resource worthless
But turning that into "just buy them from a guy that's totally not just the GE"
Is so silly lmao
true talon
nerf shops <:masorihmm:1017166165962936401>
It’s funny to see mains paying scar ess price for soul runes now after the great soul war bot nuke
minor whale
Like if you could go "buy" anglerfish worms from Yama
flint stump
Before scar people weren't making runes in bulk they were buying from shops lol
Scar is just more thematic
rare grotto
Copium
hasty shard
scar is technically useful on a main depending on margins
but that rarely matters lol
hard axle
Scar capped the price of runes even harder than ships did
minor whale
Scar is also just significantly faster for irons who have had time to build a gp stack before needing bulk runes
hard axle
Before scar, runes would occasionally exceed shop buy price lol
rare grotto
Guys let's start at the conclusion (scar is good for irons) and work our way backwards
hard axle
They also killed the only other reason for mains to use scar, which was extremely easy rc pet
minor whale
It's going to be so funny on sailing release when dragon cannonballs are only dropped from some rng source via sailing
sacred oracle
i would kill ten men for a faster/less annoying rc pet method
true talon
Before scar, runes would occasionally exceed shop buy price lol
Ya and bots bought out the shops to take advantage of the margins lll
hard axle
maybe irons should only be making 13k blood runes an hour and be happy that it’s not 3k an hour
hasty shard
oh wait wtf is extract giga cracked for aether rc?
true talon
Like it or not your entire economy is heald up by bots and what they do. When bots get nuked things they botted go up drastically
hard axle
Ya and bots bought out the shops to take advantage of the margins lll
Except no bots would do this because it’s not a regularly occurring Th ing
minor whale
oh wait wtf is extract giga cracked for aether rc?
Yes
hasty shard
ic
minor whale
It was like 40m/hr near release
true talon
Except no bots would do this because it’s not a regularly occurring Th ing
They did this when shops had margins
sacred cove
It's going to be so funny on sailing release when dragon cannonballs are only dr...
Are dragon cannonballs a thing?
hard axle
Like it or not your entire economy is heald up by bots and what they do. When bo...
And that’s a good thing that they get nuked.
Irons always rely on this idiotic notion that mains benefit from bots, but they don’t. Bots are always always always worse for the game and implying otherwise is stupid.
Short term and long term bad.
minor whale
There's a beta going on right now
For ship combat, crew members, and salvaging
For sailing
hard axle
They did this when shops had margins
Yes and now one account can do the work of 100 because scar exists.
It’s not a good thing.
minor whale
hard axle
Are dragon cannonballs a thing?
Rune cannonball first please
excellent source of bar sinks if they allowed this
you need like 100m capital first but w/e
minor whale
Yeah with runners it's bis by far for xp
hard axle
no runners too
hard axle
Jesus
minor whale
You need some heavy capital to get started
And more runners than lava for same rates
But if you can afford it
It's insane
ember token
<:troll:588138267552251925> you need like 100m capital first but w/e
you also need to overcome the buy limit of aether catalysts
hard axle
you also need to overcome the buy limit of aether catalysts
That’s what friends are for
idle rapids
You can get (I think) 400k XP/hr at rc
damn is that even more than rcing banked dark essence blocks?
I thought it was cool that to get the fastest rc xp you had to save up like hundreds of hours of shit lol
Just buying all your supplies off GE and hiring runners isnt as cool
timber drift
wen monke room fix
stuck mauve
yeah
sacred oracle
to my knowledge, it is not broken
charred acorn
Can we finally get a discard button for the cox chest? Idk how many lizard fangs, rubies, sapphires, dynamite, actualy most things on the table other than purples aren't worht keeping.
chrome lantern
Just has the reg iron tag
sacred oracle
just assume everyone who says something crazy/weird is an iron
you won't always be right, but you won't often be wrong
snow copper
Can anyone confirm Bryo's drop rate for mossy keys, like not from the chest? Swear they said it would be better than before, but I've had 3 keys in 170 kills lol. Did they make it the same as normal moss giants?
rain fulcrum
just assume everyone who says something crazy/weird is an iron
But an iron would want to keep random shit even more than a main!
and uims should be banned from expressing opinions altogether
tacit wharf
Can anyone confirm Bryo's drop rate for mossy keys, like not from the chest? Swe...
bryo doesnt drop the essence, it was moved to the opening of the chest
snow copper
bryo doesnt drop the essence, it was moved to the opening of the chest
Yeah I know, but I thought she was meant to have a better drop rate of the keys themselves than normal giants. Unless they meant the keys coming from the chest as well.
tacit wharf
just meant to be more accessible
timber drift
wen monke room fix
tacit wharf
Yeah I know, but I thought she was meant to have a better drop rate of the keys ...
ya just relooked at both blogs and update, nothing mentions that they were going to have an increase to their key drop rate, just that bosses will still be able to drop keys and chest should have a key rate (previously bosses dropped keys)
snow copper
ya just relooked at both blogs and update, nothing mentions that they were going...
It's this bit in the changelog:
Obor and Bryophyta no longer require a key to be fought.
Obor and Bryophyta can drop their own respective keys.
To compensate, each of them now has a reduced, simple loot table. It’s similar to regular giants’ with a chance for Giant Bones (members only) and an increased chance for their keys.
Guessing the wording is wrong here, because Bryo drops Giants Bones every kill and I think the old drop rate for mossy keys was 1/16 .
Or they mean increased chance compared to moss giants, but still like 1/100 or something
tacit wharf
yes previous loot from boss could drop keys (now moved to chest)
bosses now drop simplified loot and can now drop keys
so u have a chance at a key from the boss kill and from the chest
yr confusing the chest rate and the boss drop rate
snow copper
Yeah I guess so. That's why I was asking if anyone knew the boss drop rate haha. Probably better to farm them from normal mossies
chrome lantern
yes previous loot from boss could drop keys (now moved to chest)
bosses now dro...
Nah Goblin has said multiple times it’s intended 1/16 mossy keys
From bryo
Same as it used to be
And specifically clarified that the intent is to be a higher rate than normal moss giants
chrome lantern
It's very explicit if you look at the messages he replies to
real fox
Disagree entirely. Should still be 1/16. But Obor's loot table has moved to the chest.
ember token
chrome lantern
lmao
Again, if you read the messages from Goblin, he literally said they will look into it if it continues to look wrong
tacit wharf
Nah Goblin has said multiple times it’s intended 1/16 mossy keys
oh thats good to know
thx
timber drift
wen monke room fix
tacit wharf
wen monke room fix
if u keep asking, never
true talon
You can make 700k/h profit alching contracts XD
frail bough
have you tried to alch one
chrome lantern
Hint: You cannot
true talon
have you tried to alch one
nope but it would be funny XD
true talon
Hint: You cannot
never got why they add alch value on things you cant alch 😦
chrome lantern
It's not alch value
That's just RuneLite telling you what 60% of the item's Value is
true talon
no thats alch value
chrome lantern
All items are required to have a Value attribute which is related to protection on death and general store value, among other things
true talon
HA value 45k
chrome lantern
Brother
That's a RuneLite plugin telling you that
It's not an actual thing they put in the game
obsidian venture
Imagine arguing daily where you’re always in the minority and or incorrect
Must truly be a life
sacred cove
Hint: You cannot
I tried to alch a brimstone key once, was disappointed 😦
timber drift
if u keep asking, never
what about now
tacit wharf
Nope still not yet
ember token
goblin responded to a tweet saying they might have gone overboard on the amount of orbs removed
which they absolutely did
violet sigil
give akka some viagra
meager flame
i actually dont even understand why they would change that of all phases
it was one of the few moments in toa where you can have partial success instead of a mechanic just being pass or fail in the sense that if you fail you're likely dead
rare grotto
cant have skill checks in this game
true talon
goblin responded to a tweet saying they might have gone overboard on the amount ...
They should just put it into the double trouble invocation to go back to the old orbs
makes sense thematically
bronze kernel
Maybe reduce the damage you take from the orbs
Being nuked for 30 damage due to a slight mistake or some unfortunate pathing
slender vapor
They're adding back exactly 3 orbs
distant spade
i don't know why they removed the ancient magicks delay on certain things. it's stupid that they removed it completely from other spells in 2018 or so but it's such an iconic animation I want to conserve it.
spell cast delay more generally
i noticed they quietly removed it while casting barricades in castle wars, but maybe it's a side effect of a more general update
chrome surge
God i love making -800k an hour doing raids yay
quartz anchor
i noticed they quietly removed it while casting barricades in castle wars, but m...
They didn't silently remove it they did it publicly last year on the first combat rebalance
distant spade
ill try to find a clip of me but i swear it was fairly recently i could still cast delay a barricade (npc)
and i noticed just today i coudln't any longer
quartz anchor
All auto casts had a 1 tick delay up until last year. Then with the update all spell books auto casts 1 tick delay were simultaneously removed in an update. If there was still an animation stall, there was probably some spaghetti code that caused it. And likely with sailing and them cleaning up code across the board. That spaghetti code got fixed and it probably wasn't even on their radar or scope.
snow copper
Literally just searched
from:JagexGoblin 1/16
Thanks for this. Only joined the discord yesterday. Tried searching Bryo but it didn't work like this.
Glad to know I'm not the only one having problems lol. Hopefully they look a bit deeper
narrow folio
i noticed they quietly removed it while casting barricades in castle wars, but m...
It's an animation stall and goddammit I liked it too. It was janky and old school 😦
distant spade
right i knew about that autocast update but the animation stall is what im referring to. Such an iconic thing that didn't need to be mesed with
yeah i figured it wasn't specifically targeted but probably an artifact of them working on something else
still sux
quartz anchor
right i knew about that autocast update but the animation stall is what im refer...
Oh if you're talking about that, the team has been openly talking about cleaning up magic animations and removing the animation stall, because they were introduced with the tick delay being removed.
So that must be trickling in with engine work
I looked through the latest update and this was posted in "other boss and PVM related updates"
-Various spellcasting animations have been tidied up to reduce 'visual rubberbanding
I can't post a picture else I would
distant spade
wait what was introduced with the tick delay "being removed"?
the actual animation stalls are classic animations
quartz anchor
Yes classic animations but removing the 1 tick delay introduced a 1 tick stall
distant spade
and by tidying that up that might remove it ?
quartz anchor
That would be visual rubber banding yes
distant spade
okay thanks
quartz anchor
Honestly I wouldn't mind leaving it in the game but it brought complications
In the past before the removal of the 1 tick. You could left click auto cast behind pillars in inferno and be able to play normally, with the update, your character attack drags and animation stalls behind the pillar and your timing for prayer flicks are off.
distant spade
i see
quartz anchor
I think they're also making it less jank and more accessible with this boom in playerbase. Normal player count is nearly double now and we might see more "iconic jank" slowly come out of the game
distant spade
from my perspective pre-update that delay had the unintendeded effect of incentivizing manual casting in pvp activities.
for instance castle wars is almost unplayable with the auto cast fix
quartz anchor
Yeah. But then you could argue manual cast was an unintended bug from spaghetti code and it's an artificial barrier of entry
For the greater overall health of the game this is for the best. As it stands pvp already has a slew of barrier to entry with ruleset changes. It's kind of overwhelming when you look at the list on the wiki and read it (because that's the only spot that tells you). There's no good infographic in the game that guides you on all the differences
distant spade
"the greater overall health of the game" is matter of values. I've been against a lot of things, esp since 2016, but more generally upon release, that could be argued good for the health of the game but i push back, There was a lot I believe Jagex preemptively gave up on osrs launch that they didn't have to to get players back
and it's causing this endless chase for players to stay in the game, to what end??? game's already been made extremely tolerable with 3rd party clients and other things
quartz anchor
You gotta question. Did opening a spell book, and clicking an icon add any value to the game? Does animation stall add anything besides iconic nostalgia?
Sure it artificially inflates a skill gap, but if you pvp a lot you already know that you're still gonna do that because of gear swapping, and no auto cast saved in pvp. What you're kinda upset about rn is an animation stall when camping magic gear and spell instead of auto cast.
To be blunt. 80-90% of the game and players to have to deal with jank for something that small is actually what I meant about overall health.
Runelite does make a lot of QOL and offers a slew of crutches for players. I see a lot of people with more tile marks in a boss room than empty tiles and I have no clue how they can even see anything to play... I've seen people with audible warnings to eat food and drink a potion... Sure it may help get over the initial boss shakes but it's their choice to use a crutch, and odds are they won't improve with it.
However, overall Jagex is winning this "chase" because for the last 3years or so OSRS has sat at 80-90k players and at peak times they're sitting at 170k for the last couple weeks now, no Leages, no events, just good updates. So I think they're doing a good job
distant spade
there's still a lot of things they could have done differently and more conservatively (not fixing what ain't broken) and I think that's important to consider too. Cause in the big picture over the span of years you can point to profits and engagement and average player activity. But I consider that a convenient dodge to our criticisms over the years. Game can be popular despite its flaws or criticisms. The details some of us fight for on classic content get missed. Regarding classic BH, wilderness, item changes, etc.
quartz anchor
The only people I hear complain about the animation cleanups and auto cast cleanup are PKers. It was janky to have to manual cast my first magic attack or incur a 1 tick penalty. This cleanups are great for pvm, being able to do techniques (butterfly) that were otherwise only possible with powered staves (excluding ibans staff). Up until last year update you could only butterfly with warped sceptar, trident and shadow. The update now allowed you to butterfly with any magic style (even though you really shouldn't if you don't have a shadow). I rushed low level toa and would butterfly for my noobie main friends with an ibans staff after the update.
And now with the animation cleanup, I can now auto cast ancients from behind the pillar without fucking up my prayer timings
distant spade
i remember the first animation stall they fixed, maybe not the first, was fishbowl
now i was pised about that but perhaps it wasn't such a bad idea
2018
quartz anchor
A lot of animation stalls get fixed because they get used and abused in pvp. Look at the sunlight hunter crossbow. That was like a 3 tick stall and let you AGS into a Gmaul and your character would be like 10 tiles away still stalled. Tbh it's probably also good for pvp to stop using animation abuse to kill someone for mils/bils
chrome lantern
Animation delays were one of the best parts of this game's aesthetic, and I don't even PvP
And tridents literally can't even be used as powered weapons in PvP so it's not a PvP issue
quartz anchor
And tridents literally can't even be used as powered weapons in PvP so it's not ...
Well it's probably good it didn't have a delay and wasn't part of the cleanup
chrome lantern
Well it's probably good it didn't have a delay and wasn't part of the cleanup
They literally removed animation delay on tridents this week
Tridents, sang, etc.
chrome lantern
Spoken like someone who's never done solo olm
It's extremely noticeable
They always caused you to pause visual running during the attack animation if you get dragged while casting lmao
quartz anchor
Here's a link from 6 month ago of Akkha 4 tick butterfly with no animation delay
Hope this helps
chrome lantern
That's not what I'm talking about at all so it doesn't help
quartz anchor
If you're talking about the attack drag animation delay
quartz anchor
We already discussed that and agreed that it's good for overall health of the game
Because it caused inconsistent times with prayer flicking in inferno and other content in which this deal causes issues
You just jumped in with no idea
chrome lantern
Who tf is using a trident in the inferno
quartz anchor
Not specifically tried t
Trident. But auto cast delay of ancient magiks
Which got cleaned up with week Along with all animations
chrome lantern
I feel like if you've gotten to the point of doing the inferno
And you don't even know what your attack timings look like
That's a skill issue
quartz anchor
Have you attack dragged with auto cast ancients since the update?
chrome lantern
And I don't think changing the movement delay changes the difficulty/intuitiveness at all