game-update

[obsidian venture]

Are you iron?

[timber drift]

ya uim problems

[hard axle]

good news, I think they did hotfix chainmace spec

[timber drift]

i mean i can fix it with ddarts

[obsidian venture]

Oof

[timber drift]

but its still fkin dumb

[hasty shard]

ah uim that makes sense

yeah dont prepot ranged

[hard axle]

cuz my chainmace spec did carry over finally

[timber drift]

i refuse ranged prepots ill just ddarts but man.........

[obsidian venture]

Personally don’t mind the change

It was random before anyway

[timber drift]

i'd still mind it if i could 2shot with amethyst

[obsidian venture]

They will probably tweak it

[timber drift]

like 3shot barely happened before changes

[plush gull]

wait if they make it 40, atlatl will save ticks compared to blowpipe

[obsidian venture]

?

[hard axle]

they will very likely tweak it

[timber drift]

yea i know im a highly intelligent game designer with good takes

[hard axle]

goblin has already said it twice

that they're open to it

[timber drift]

hotfix wen......

[plush gull]

atlatl can hit 40 so it will beat blowpipe for shamans?

[hard axle]

u can wait

[rain fulcrum]

Is jagex open to fixing Colo wave1

[hard axle]

the colo hp fix took months

[hasty shard]

any masori piece + quiver will get you 25

[rain fulcrum]

[timber drift]

ya i know

[hasty shard]

granted dont you want 25 max bp for baba anyways

[timber drift]

but unfortunately...

[obsidian venture]

After delve 1

[timber drift]

i need to get masori for that....

[hasty shard]

you can get venator/zvambs too

[timber drift]

hell yeah

[hasty shard]

very easy grinds really just do 100 hours of nex

[timber drift]

i'll just use the ddarts i think but ty

[obsidian venture]

Wonder what the overall timesave is

[timber drift]

grim

[obsidian venture]

And if toa is still worth running high invos

[hasty shard]

ok really stupid tech
lizardkicker from shayzien for ranged boost prepot

[plush gull]

webweaver can also hit 40 but it would require new boots+salt+void

invest in atlatls since theyll be bis for speedruns based on rumours from goblins messages

[hasty shard]

any boost at all (with anguish + dizana + rigour) will give 25 max

[timber drift]

i know but man

this is like the time jagex made me pray augury to get 2 max hits during slayer that i had before.. they hate me fr..

[hasty shard]

REAL

fuckin mage changes smh

[hasty shard]

without dizana you need 101+

[plush gull]

why would u make a uim if not to do colo with New Melee Weapon

[hasty shard]

could technically venator bow shamans right?

[plush gull]

yes

its same as bofa unless u get a bounce

[hasty shard]

which'd be faster than ww+bp accounting for thrall spawn

[timber drift]

bringing venator into toa brb

[short surge]

Are there new weapons out right now? Or are they a future update

[hasty shard]

[plush gull]

future update

late july

[hasty shard]

actually could be cracked at akkha if it bounces off ghosts

[timber drift]

new ring and new keris were added this update

[plush gull]

o ur right theres new keris

[short surge]

What is the new ring?

[hazy plover]

New keris?

[timber drift]

it goes shadow > akkha > shadow but you cant really do the reverse

[hazy plover]

I missed that lol

[timber drift]

+24 all melee defences

keris is between fang and zhasta

stabby boi

(but closer to hasta)

[subtle merlin]

i would love to see spears (not hasta) get a 2 tile range also...

[south crescent]

anyone else not getting stalled anymore when barraging / tridenting?

[subtle merlin]

that was in the post.

[south crescent]

cant see it when reading now

[ember token]

Various spellcasting animations have been tidied up to reduce 'visual rubberbanding'.

[south crescent]

thanks 🫡

[subtle merlin]

beat me to it...

sry didn't mean to sound snobby.

[left wolf]

Is this correct for TOA drop rates now?

For 400's it is 1% for every 2300 points earned in the raid

[subtle merlin]

busy trying to make the sheets they gave us to have column organizing...

[chrome lantern]

I’m really sad about the removal of animation delays tbh :(

One of my favorite aesthetic things about this game

[hasty shard]

oh god does veng not stall anymore

[subtle merlin]

dont know, guessing for pvp?

[chrome lantern]

Not sure but spells and tridents don’t

Veng already only stalled in PvP areas though iirc didn’t it

[timber drift]

wen monkey hp fix

[woven comet]

so is the baboons hp increase intentional or will there be a fix for it?

i know they said slightly but cmon

xd

[quartz anchor]

if you're in groups have 1 guy camp blowpipe, if you're solo, just swap blowpipe, its still faster than and more consistent than before

[woven comet]

yea i did some solos

i was just wondering cuz not being able to one shot them sometimes, it feels weird

xd

i was more curious on wether there'll be another change or if it'll remain so

[quartz anchor]

what darts you using to kill 'em

[woven comet]

amethyst

[quartz anchor]

lul oh

[woven comet]

poor man iron doesnt have dragon darts xdd

[hasty shard]

amethyst + ava + anguish + rigour + any range boost will two hit

[quartz anchor]

good thing this raid will give them in more quantities than you'll use for the raid

[obsidian venture]

@austere mulch

[rigid meteor]

using keys no longer gives a beginner clue (at least in ftp)

are items intended to drop on the ground when you open the chest? just did 3 keys after doing my last beginner clue

(giant keys at obor)

[sonic oxide]

Any news on key droprate from bryo? Doesn't seem particularly high to compensate for the very bad drops

[ember token]

well the whole point is to generally keep the loot the same

it's not meant to be super profitable to kill them

don't want to devalue the club or bryo essence

[timber drift]

wen monkey hp hotfix

[chrome lantern]

Anyone else just get major lag?

It didn't load the skulls for a few ticks in 4th skulls

So I went to skull skip

And then it just didn't do the animation for skull wave until after I was already dead

w415 east coast 2.2k world, only 660 players online

Someone in the lobby was saying they had issues with their prayers too

I saw like 4 people come out the entrance with me dead lmao

[sonic oxide]

Yeah, just had kind of hoped there would be some incentive to kill bryo itself, e.g. good key rates, but guess I hoped wrong!

[finite oak]

It is officially, according to Goblin, at 1/16.

Which would be fine, canoning in the wildy would still be faster if you don't show up in endgame gear.

[true talon]

Anyone wondering about the DT2 mechanic, it just takes the base loot you used to get and now gives you a gold ring.

[vivid ruin]

Gold ring is how many more chances you need for ring drop

[true talon]

really?

[vivid ruin]

Yes

I got 2 at duke from my first kc so im farming him lol

[true talon]

1/3 is 1 ring. 2/3 is 2 rings

[vivid ruin]

Yessir

[true talon]

well i got a vestiege last night before the update

[ember token]

was this your first vardorvis kc since the update?

[true talon]

so this roll today was me being 1/3 and hitting

nope

[ember token]

well either way you're 1/3 now

[true talon]

Yea it shows if you hit the table an roll ring you now get 1 gold ring or 2 gold rings

so i started 0/3 after the update

i just hit table now and got 1 ring

so it does takew the base looot you used to get and replaces it with a ring now

[vivid ruin]

I like this update. Pretty neat. Good to know where im at

I was just going for a replacement ice quartz but now magus

[true talon]

im trying to get the axe piece lol

so now im working on ring #3

[subtle merlin]

submitted a but about it, but some how my tome of earth dupped while killing mithril dragons

same pages and everything

[true talon]

thats crazy llol

[subtle merlin]

that is going in the bank till i get a response... (if ever)

hope it doesn't happen again, im grinding out a d full helm...

[plush gull]

"Skull bombs during P2 can no longer land underneath the active Warden or the Obelisk."

wait so does this mean u can just go under boss to dodge skulls

i hate p2 its the most stressful part of toa for me did they make it easier

i dont even see that line on the update post i just found it on reddit on an unrelated post

did i get baited is p2 wardens completely unchanged

dodge 5 things at once while praying 3 things at once and attacking with all 3 styles 😭 and also chip damage 😭 im way too bad for that

[true talon]

p2 warden melee's so prob not idea lol

[plush gull]

i hate p2 wardens 😭

but what if u just do the melee one and pray melee anyway

idk why they had to copy olm for the "force all 3 styles" man its like olm but u cant null any of the specials. and i hate all the puzzle rooms too. why couldnt they make it more like tob, or make the puzzles invos

[minor whale]

No, the area of effect is larger than the safe zone provided by stepping under

Just means there's no tiles where it's not possible to see the shadow coming beforehand

Before you could get giga unlucky and a skull lands literally inside another object and it was impossible to see

[plush gull]

im too bad to grind toa, im just gonna do like 47 300's and like 3 higher invos for the cas and forget about it again

why do the normal mode CAs require a party of 2 when theyre doable solo? does the other person have to enter the boss or can an alt just sit at the red teleporter thing

is that just to encourage boosting?

[restive siren]

Obviously not

Its to encourage social play

[plush gull]

idk it encourages antisocial play imo, what would actually encourage social play is a pride event. i think im gonna have to be sending another membership refund request on july 1st, it feels bad to support an unethical company

[restive siren]

Making you play with other people encourages antisocial play... ok

And ye good to send that message, best of luck 👍

[sacred skiff]

Anyone else notice Nardah statue not restoring lowered stats since the update?

[plush gull]

antisocial and asocial are different, i meant it encourages boosting and also yelling at eachother for mistakes or whatever

also this games playerbase can be pretty antisocial too but thats not a problem with the system itself

[narrow folio]

It never restored lower stats

[cursive vector]

Huey tail still has 400hp 😦

[rare grotto]

ironmen

[hard axle]

it's just an outdated plugin

I recorded an instance + non-instance kill earlier and tallied up the damage

it's 300

[rare grotto]

you are not real

this cannot be not bait

[hard axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1291165717491617853/1351243545947799714/caption.gif

[rare grotto]

[nocturne solstice]

[cursive vector]

ty boss

[nocturne solstice]

Can you be more specific about what you want "fixed" and what you mean about "news on how droprates scale"? Since the numbers were kinda already posted on the news blog weeks ago.

[narrow folio]

@rare grotto you basically did it again. So don't do that.

[rare grotto]

they only posted on very specific invos (with no info on which invos were used), and nothing above 500

[rare grotto]

grow up

[hard axle]

the only thing people are unhappy about is not being able to 1-shot the shaman at 50 hp

[narrow folio]

Excuse me?

[hard axle]

which goblin has said they would look into feedback about it

[rare grotto]

kinda forces chins, idk if thats a good thing

solos invens too full now

which is funny because before this we had plenty of space, and were even debating sbs

[hard axle]

or just tap twice with BP

[rare grotto]

yeah but bping twice gets u for sure an extra thrall

so end the waves with quite a few of them

[nocturne solstice]

I didnt have much trouble bringing chins even before the changes

will have to do a run to test 🤔

[rare grotto]

it's an issue at 500+ if u wanna play efficiently

too much stuff u wanna bring but u can't cause u need supplies

and u also wanna go double power

[narrow folio]

@plush gull I think those CAs were just poorly thought out. Valid complaint though.

I don't think difficulty should come from hoping another player doesn't mess up 🤣

Hopefully that stuff becomes solo viable

[hard axle]

Nah, both of you didn't even consider that solo has mechanics that duo doesn't

If they hard required duos, people would bitch even harder.

Them leaving the option open is nice of them

[narrow folio]

How about you can do either

Right now certain toa CAs require someone else

[warm storm]

at toa? what are the solo-only mechanics?

[narrow folio]

It's gotten to the point some people have the other afk and yeah boosting is a problem and should be eradicated

[rare grotto]

plinxer do u live in a fantasy world or something

[narrow folio]

Are you going to come up with an actual reply?

[rare grotto]

i have to explain why boosting is just part of the game?

and in any game

[narrow folio]

And it's something that should be mitigated where reasonable

[hard axle]

monkey room doesn't have corruption in solo, akkha doesn't have white-out in solo, croc puzzle technically is faster in solo by 1.2s and less reliant on teammates, kephri doesn't have double dung in solo, baba has less monkeys/rocks, kephri puzzle doesn't have to solve all of the puzzles in solo, just to name a few.

[narrow folio]

It goes against the spirit of the achievement

[rare grotto]

well u said eradicated, now mitigated

different things

[narrow folio]

I want it to be eradicated but the only way is solo only

[rare grotto]

not really

[narrow folio]

I want it to be bannable but it's not enfoceable

[rare grotto]

ppl will login and thats worse than current way it's done

[narrow folio]

Ban account sharing even more

[rare grotto]

yes ban ban ban what could go wrong

[hard axle]

and that results in basically solo gameplay because with that logic, no team activity should exist

and team activity is some of the most fun in the game

[warm storm]

you've just described a bunch of mechanics that don't exist in solo, which was the source of my confusion. i get what you're saying though. they are different

[narrow folio]

Hard to draw lines between what is boosting and what is getting carried a little

[rare grotto]

master baiter has arrived

[narrow folio]

In a perfect world there wouldn't be false bans

[true talon]

hear me out, you bring ven bow in and 1 shot the shaman + thralls and whatever else it bounces to.

[hard axle]

uhh dude

[narrow folio]

@rare grotto let's not provoke insults

[hard axle]

do u know how venator bow works

[small anvil]

If we're talking fantasy land I want to be a princess

[hard axle]

it's not going to bounce back onto the shaman

which is 50 hp

[small anvil]

Perfect world stuff is useless lol

[true talon]

it might!

[hard axle]

not gauranteed

[true talon]

lol

[rare grotto]

😂

[hard axle]

unless u isolate the shaman + thrall from everything else

actually

[narrow folio]

I'd make shamans like what, 20 hp

[hard axle]

since u are one shotting everything

[rare grotto]

well u could blowpipe the shaman, and then all thralls but one and then use venator bow

[hard axle]

40

or 35

[narrow folio]

They're 15 right now?

[true talon]

there 50 right now lol

[narrow folio]

Or 20

[hard axle]

they're 50

[narrow folio]

No I mean before today

[hard axle]

16

[true talon]

can 1 shot with rigour bowfa

[rare grotto]

doesn't change anything though, u'd still 2 shot with bp

[true talon]

if salted but no1 does salted baba

[small anvil]

Won't require prayer change

[hard axle]

correct, but most of the people complaining are bowfa andies

[rare grotto]

u should be camping rigour anyway

[small anvil]

And yeah bowfa one shot

[hard axle]

let them be inefficient if they want to be

[narrow folio]

Just revert the entire monkey room change then. It was fine how it was

[hard axle]

dude

-2waves

is faster

[true talon]

yea

[hard axle]

are u

what

[true talon]

-2 full wves is way better than just no1 s hotting shaman

[hard axle]

[hard axle]

i'd rather the consistency

over fucking

1, 1, 2, 3, 4

[narrow folio]

Personally I prefer what it was

I don't care to neuter toa any more

[true talon]

Now if they do the same to nylo we can be cooking

[rare grotto]

😑

[hard axle]

Like, reverting the monkey changes is not it

just lower the shamans hp slightly

since we're doubling the dps by max hitting

it should be at most 40 HP

[tiny otter]

new solution

delete monkey room

[hard axle]

or even 56 HP since that max ranged bp no salts

[tiny otter]

[rare grotto]

32 hp so ur forced to bring void etc to one shot

[hard axle]

[rare grotto]

actually idk if u can get 32 rn

[narrow folio]

Maybe with quiver

[warm storm]

the humble venator ring rises up

[hard axle]

But seriously, the net change to monkey room was good

it's just med level bowfa andies that are crying, which you can fix by just lowering shaman hp to 30-40

[narrow folio]

I think everyone was expecting to no effort oneshot shamans

[hard axle]

people saying revert this shit because of 1 singular issue needs to get hit with a baguette

[narrow folio]

I disagree

[hard axle]

hit them with a brick?

okay

[narrow folio]

I would revert it then add perfect accuracy instead of max hit

[hard axle]

[rare grotto]

pls no encouraging violence @hard axle

we take this very seriously.

[hard axle]

that's certainly 1 opinion

wait

[narrow folio]

Zapdos is right. Don't waste food.

[hard axle]

wasn't it already 100% accuracy

or near that

[narrow folio]

No

[hard axle]

wait

u mean 100% accuracy for all style?

[small anvil]

I'll eat the foie gras with the baguette

[hard axle]

or just the right style

[narrow folio]

I was thinking just range but all styles sure?

[hard axle]

prior to this, monkey room was already pretty accurate

he wants to change from max hit right style to gauranteed accuracy, no max hit right style

and im confused because before today, our hits on monkeys were already really accurate

that's why im confused why plinxer wants 100% accuracy over gauranteed max hit

but

[rain fulcrum]

NGL having to BP cursed sounds aids to me

[rare grotto]

thats y u should prio them and just one shot as they pass by

[sacred skiff]

Wow my mind is actually blown lol I guess I never noticed

[wet oak]

can someone explain shark lures to me? seem exclusively inconvenient given how much they ruin the xp. Mains just sell em and buy sharks so they are basically a shark drop and irons get forced to go fish sharks for token xp?

[rain fulcrum]

Idk how much HP they have now tho

[narrow folio]

I cant remember the max hp of the shamans prior to today. It was 25?

[rare grotto]

30

(now)

[rain fulcrum]

Oh I thought they got tripled

[gentle sentinel]

Unsure if a Jmod might see this, or if someone has already asked. Obor and Bryo kills not being tracked for the Combat Achievements, and now needing the chests - is that an oversight or was that intended? Seems you don't get the kc message now, but instead a chest opening message. This, for example, happens with the Obor Novice kc task, which only completes on the first chest opening. #269673599554551808 message

#269673599554551808 message

[narrow folio]

They didn't want to devalue current kcs so now we have this wack mechanic

[gentle sentinel]

So, just to verify, giant keys and mossy keys are still needed for the CAs?

[tacit wharf]

they were pretty clear from the start that only chest openings where going to count for hiscores with the update

[gentle sentinel]

KC ^

[narrow folio]

Yeah I think its for the kc cas

[gentle sentinel]

I typically just look over update blogs, not as much dev blogs. Wasn't aware until now, so I appreciate the response!

[narrow folio]

The actual bosses dont get tracked I think. But would that mean u can get the CAs getting key drops from non boss monsters? Wack...

[gentle sentinel]

Yeah, I just started Obor for the CAs and needed a giant key to perm-open the door. That's how I figured out the kc CA thing, as a result from using that one giant key for the chest.

[gentle sentinel]

Well - you still need to kill obor for the chest to unlock

[narrow folio]

Can you grab a lot of keys outside, kill obor once, then open all?

[finite oak]

I don't think so, he resets after you open the chest

[gentle sentinel]

Correct ^

[lean hamlet]

Alright, I haven't tried Bryph but Ober respawns too quickly. Grabbed his drops and the chest and booked it and he still respwned and hit me before I got out. Just needs a bit more leway I think.

[gentle sentinel]

I was able to get out and get to the top before he respawned, but yeah

[lean hamlet]

It cuts it pretty close even when you do make it.

[gentle sentinel]

Agree

[narrow folio]

Ah so u need to kill one boss to use each key

[autumn tiger]

Also there seems to be a bug with bryph where if you kill the growthlings and attack the boss too fast they just end up respawning immediately

[sonic trout]

i thought when i died at nm, i was going to respawn outside the instance?

[idle rapids]

at PNM

are you doing regular nightmare

[sonic trout]

gotcha. thanks, was tryna use this faster respawn to learn it lol

[sacred skiff]

The PNM changes are so goood. Grabbed my pity-rate slepey tablet and the easier time CA today

Still no mace though, so that’s a ripoff

[ancient ore]

Similarly you need five opened chests for the Obor Champion task. Also, Obor doesn't respawn until after you click the chest (even if you're keyless)

[gentle sentinel]

Yep, that was my thought, since I did it for the first kill task.

[nocturne solstice]

Those sound like valid criticisms but it's only day one and is something for a rebalance. A "Fix" implies something is broken like a bug which this isn't. Rebalancing should happen after a while so they can gather data first. They should not be done in a reactionary way.

Is the question for purple rates or specifically individual item rates?

[ancient ore]

So, to be clear. It's still intended to grind out 5 keys for the CA?

Because the news post could be read two different ways.

"It's no secret that the key system used to fight Obor and Bryophyta isn't the most well-liked, particularly if you're gated out of Combat Achievements because you've not done your shift at the Hill or Moss Giants."

Is this change designed to add a new key source or to effectively reduce the need for five keys down to one?

[nocturne solstice]

pretty sure its the latter

This for the obor champion CA right?

Kill obor 5 times

I think people are just upset about change in general and need some time to get used to things before valid feedback can be taken. For the most part anyway. Maybe people will start bringing in chins or venator to speed things up and variety in strategies for speed in general is a good thing.

[ancient ore]

Yeah

[nocturne solstice]

Should be the latter iirc how it was pitched the first time and how it works now

Ive already got the CAs so i cant test it for you sorry

[whole glacier]

bryophyta is broken

growthlings cant be killeed

[nocturne solstice]

While I think its a strong exaggeration that "a lot" run 540s since in the same blog it mentions only 3% of completions is 500% I made an image here as a very rudimentary prediction. At 540 you should expect probably 7.5-8% purple chance.

[ancient ore]

You need to weild the axe, you cant just "use" it anymore

Wiki has not been updated

[whole glacier]

awful

[nocturne solstice]

how are you trying to kill em?

Wielding and spamming left click is faster than click use tho

[whole glacier]

use is much quicker

was, rather

imo allowing both methods is preferred

easier for mobile

[nocturne solstice]

iirc it should be both allowed

ill have to test it

[whole glacier]

the old way does not work at all

i'm fighting rn

[ancient ore]

Use option on both secaturs and axe don't work anymore. Just did it 10 mins ago myself.

[whole glacier]

bryo respawns after the chest is opened

maybe because i brought 10 keys with me

[nocturne solstice]

Well the situation really is changing your strategy. Being cautious of where you walk is more important now, opting for a longer range weapon over BP is another consideration now so something like Bowfa has more use in ToA. As aforementioned venator bow may be more of an option for baba puzzle. Chins are also something to consider for clearing the room. Heck even ancient magic might be more viable now.

These are all things that "slow down" the raid for a more comfy safer raid and imo it's a good way to add diversity to playstyles in the raid.

Unfortunately I havent heard any other info from jmods about 540+ sorry

[rigid meteor]

growthlings can still spawn immediately after being killed

[finite oak]

Not really. If you want to kill them as fast as possible you do that with your weapon, than you need to swap, wait the ticks till you can attack again, and then hit them. This takes just as long as just using it, if you swapped axe to left-click use.
Also if you don't kill them all at once, but as soon as they're low, the weapon swapping is significantly slower

[nocturne solstice]

Maybe its personal preference then because for me moving the mouse to inv and back multiple times made it slower to use. Having said that at the time when I was doing bryo CAs I dont think i had menu swapper then

You're probably right on that. Definitely interested in seeing if they rebalance it again next week.

[finite oak]

I can see how wothout menu swapper it would be a pain. But as is, i need to wrangle the fucks in a position where i can conga line kill them. And god forbid i attack bry with the axe instead, then we all just stare at eachother

[rain fulcrum]

Just delete the entire fucking baba path

Replace it with kalphite queen

[finite oak]

Put Bryo there. Also give her 300 or 400 hp.

And a water weakness

[whole glacier]

does having the moss giant task while killing bryophyta change the mossy key droprate to 1/75? or is it 1/16 + 1/75?

[hard axle]

Thrall fails Perfection of Akkha btw

new bug

[tawny tide]

https://tenor.com/view/toby-cry-phone-spider-man-cry-phone-spider-man-phone-toby-phone-gif-12875606672124040541

[chrome lantern]

I thought that was always how it worked

[hard axle]

nope

mage thrall on pray melee fails it

[chrome lantern]

Oh I see what you mean

[hard axle]

[chrome lantern]

Unfortunate

[halcyon hull]

So, is scaling now just entirely removed from baba unless I'm missing something ? Seems like an oversight.

[chrome lantern]

wym scaling

[halcyon hull]

His chip damage scaled with raid level

[chrome lantern]

Yes chip is gone

[rapid field]

did tzharr water weakness not get added?

[ember token]

only to fight caves/inferno mobs

[quartz anchor]

After seeing the MTx vid for RS3, I have even more faith in Mod (Chad) North. I'm excited to see RS and OSRS booming together.

[tawny tide]

Hopefully it’s the kill shot for rs3 so they can focus 100% on the greatest game ever made

[nocturne solstice]

hopefully not since both games are good

[rain fulcrum]

Thralls are cheese

[sharp cave]

i really dont understand why this is in the patch notes? they have always been able to drop their keys

[sharp cave]

but why mention it like its a change?

[tacit wharf]

drop rate change and clarification

probably

[sharp cave]

drop rate feels worse, but i guess getting 3 keys in 75 kills beats 0 keys from regular moss giants

[final frigate]

has jagex mentioned anything about changing arcane procs

this is not fun to say the least

[sharp cave]

also am i going crazy or did they break using axes on the growthlings?

[chrome lantern]

You have to attack with it now

[sharp cave]

cringe

getting 4 or 5 back to back growthlings even after they said they stopped that from happening is also really fun

[sharp cave]

nice looking like a cool 4k+ kc to get the unique from this boss at current key rate

[jovial sentinel]

This the same guy that didnt understand giant drops are the same as before?

[earnest forum]

Why is it not fixable? You guys literally developed the raid

I guarantee you that it's fixable

[sharp cave]

excuse me?

[jovial sentinel]

Nah, sorry, someone else was saying very similar things last night

But yeah, giants are the same drop rates as before

You just have an extra, potentially slower option of knly killing boss for keys as well

[sharp cave]

what was the point in updating them if im just going to go back and kill the regular giants

[jovial sentinel]

They added an option which lets you get CAs, and thats great.

[sharp cave]

except not the kc one

[jovial sentinel]

Not every update needs to allign with every single person's goals

Sure, but it was alwaus going to be hard to beat the current rates of spam killing moss giants with cannon or whatever for em

I say they should just renove keys altogether, but oh no, prices might go down a little for a boss almost noone wants to kill anyways.

[sharp cave]

truly such well designed content

[jovial sentinel]

Yeah, the content isnt the best

[sharp cave]

so my question stands, why bother updating it if you are not going to make it any better or even just worse?

[jovial sentinel]

Well, they did make it better, just not in a way that benefits you

Only marginly better, but still

[sharp cave]

absoulte waste of dev time

[winged mantle]

Probably bone dagger code is cooked

An item from 2006 could have very weird spaghetti code

[jovial sentinel]

At least with something like rhat, they could delete it relatively easily and remake it

Doesnt matter if people lose their dagger, its a cheap quest item

[chrome lantern]

Not actually a quest item

But it does have the same reqs as dorgeshuun crossbow

[earnest forum]

Sounds like the job of a software developer to fix what's been broken

especially when it was promised in a blog

[paper spruce]

Bro i love rice

Like bro

[jovial sentinel]

You know what i mean though. Its just a cheap reward post-quest

[paper spruce]

rice and hot and sour soup

some good ass Chinese food bro

[jovial sentinel]

But yeah, could be misleading, its not free regain

[paper spruce]

And some spring rolls

[earnest marsh]

True, its f2p boss mostly, none in member would ever farm these bosses most likely

Outside clogging and cas

I think it's a fine update for f2p

[sharp cave]

??? the update does nothing for f2p?

[nocturne solstice]

It lets em access obor and bryo easier for CAs and have to farm less keys which is a lot slower in f2p

[sharp cave]

im sure theres 10s of f2p players giddy at the fact that they no longer have to kill hill giants to get the combat achievements that do nothing in f2p

[nocturne solstice]

True, maybe they just want a fun boss to fight then or itll count once they get members

[sharp cave]

just assuming the drop rates are bugged right now and a fix is coming soon

[hallow musk]

Just mentioning this was so hard to do correctly now, was too used to the before version

@winter hearth can we please get the new TOA formulas and weighting?

[fickle valve]

has there been any info released about toa invos over 500 and how the purple rate there has being impacted?

woah yea what fe stod said!

[timber drift]

wen monkey hp hotfix

[quick onyx]

yo ever since the update you cant spec aviansies with eldritch nightmare staff. it says "target it too high to hit with melee". if there's somewhere else to post this lmk pls

[split jolt]

What a terrible update in regards to chambers loot

12/12 raids were seed drops, all less than 50k worth.

Doesn’t even cover supps anymore.

Another superb update by jagex👎👎👎

[lunar blade]

Yeah, i cant even touch ToA atm cus monkey room is harder than bosses with my current gear

Was excited to play yesterday

[meager flame]

Im ngl

I think their chambers loot change was incredibly weird and not really okay

I could see wanting to give fewer herbs and replacing some of them with seeds

Or just doing fewer herbs

But lol

[viscid cipher]

Dragon stab def got lower to zero

[meager flame]

I dont really think you can just do a full swap and give people peanuts for a raid

[viscid cipher]

I think they did this for bot. Make it harder with low level gear…

[meager flame]

Objectively its also super weird because the logical conclusion of their swap to seeds is just that they now produce tons of those seeds making sure they have next to no value

Which is why they nerfed seed drops in the other raid

[thick beacon]

i feel like it can balance out

noone gona want to plant seeds but eventually price of those herbs will rise

cuz noone planting seeds

then demand for herbs and those seeds will go up

[meager flame]

Im pretty sure most of those seeds have never been worth anything

Before cox even existed

So big doubt lol

[thick beacon]

to me overall it just seemed like they wanted irons to do more herb runs then anything else

[meager flame]

They picked the wrong herbs then

[thick beacon]

ye it was mostly just passive irits anyway though i prob profited snaps/ranarrs i think

[split jolt]

Wrong content to adjust.

[meager flame]

They basically are dumping seeds on you that you already have more of than you'll ever use and likely stacks of those same herbs

[hasty shard]

giving content dogshit common drops finally strikes the heart

[split jolt]

End game content should be rewarding, at the very least

Not the shit we’re dealing with now.

[meager flame]

Ya like you shouldn't ever do a raid and get the equivalent of an inventory of lobsters

[hasty shard]

you cant even get through the seeds it gives is the thing

[split jolt]

I get an adjustment sure, but entirely changing and the majority of drops being sub 100k for end game content is broken

[meager flame]

They basically just supplied troll drops

[hasty shard]

this makes me think of the 'quit having fun' meme but inverted

[split jolt]

One way to push me away from doing content,

After doing 2k chambers

[meager flame]

It would be different if you like actually would or could use those seeds

[hasty shard]

'man its just kind of not fun to get bad drops' QUIT NOT HAVING FUN DO SOMETHING ELSEE WAHH

[meager flame]

But theres actually no reason to even like

Plant them lol

[split jolt]

End game content should be rewarding, period. If it was like Vardovis, and the kills were 1 minute long, sure… but being 15-25 mins a raid (depending on skill level)

[thick beacon]

ye im pretty indiffrent i feel like seeds were gona be free unless they removed them entirely

[split jolt]

And receiving sub 100k consistently

[hasty shard]

tbh dt2 tables could use some adjustment

[wispy current]

U cant have consistent money and mega rare money at the same time

[meager flame]

I mean

We did

[hasty shard]

thats the thing it is consistent and megarare money right now

[meager flame]

Lmao

[thick beacon]

i personally was just hoping for cox purp buff

[hasty shard]

its just consistently bad

[thick beacon]

i really only get exicted at raids when i get a purp

[hasty shard]

it'd be like removing blood vials from tob

[meager flame]

Im ngl

God help the next raids loot table

[wispy current]

Tob is also way less farmed than toa

And wipeable

[split jolt]

We aren’t talking bout toa

[hasty shard]

oh right toa wasnt adjusted for the shit it crashed was it

mfw coconut milk and cactus spines

[thick beacon]

if it is making that big of an impact then like im not against reverting it

[meager flame]

Next raid is going to come out and drop like raw materials that are irrelevant to everyone and also drop like

A megarare that can only be charged with the bark of a sailing exclusive wc activity

[hasty shard]

yeah making skilling enhancers (counting seeds here) doesnt really work when you cannot get through the supply on your own
see: rs3 spirits literally just rs3 spirits

[thick beacon]

i think silver lining is there isint gona be another 700hour mrare like tbow

[meager flame]

So that sailing and wc can be profitable

[hasty shard]

shark bait is a meme what main is doing this over anglers

[hasty shard]

27.5 xp drop 😭

[meager flame]

You'll have to find a map though to get there

Thats consumed

And pay to recharge it

[hasty shard]

already happened [[infernal shale]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Infernal_shale

[meager flame]

That way we can include skillers and sinks

Lmao

[hasty shard]

i genuinely think shale would be fine if just oathplate shards were untradeable

[meager flame]

I mean it would be worthless but

[hasty shard]

like literally give the average yama kcer a reason to buy shale lol

irontent strikes yet again

[meager flame]

It already is worthless tbh

They made one massive error after throwing to make a mining activity in the first place

You know it probably should take more than 1 hour of mining to match 700 yama kc to create an item

If you want the shale to be worth anything

[hasty shard]

tangent on shale mining, did you know the cloth is just straight up worse than normal manip

good learner content
why didn't they just tutorialise 3t fishing lol

like thats clearly what they were going for (and failed)

napkin math content concept
piranha fishing
they eat bait super fast so you have to cast fast and reattach bait
use bait on rod, cast every 3t

[meager flame]

Lmao I have no idea why they did most of the stuff

[hasty shard]

then bam you have people doing the 3t cycle in an understandable manner

[meager flame]

Like I can see why but I cant see why after they thought about it more

[hasty shard]

hell piranhas would fit right into the tlati rainforest

you can even have attaching bait be a complete placebo lol

cause you'd just intuitively understand that by doing it you are catching fish faster

[hasty shard]

cause the cloth for sure isn't teaching 3t4g

[meager flame]

Tbh

When I mined to make my irons helm

I was basically appalled that people would sit there and do this and shocked that jagex thinks that its something they should add to the game to make it better

[hasty shard]

i immediately noped out seeing that you have to chisel the shale

[meager flame]

If that's their vision for like

[fossil epoch]

there is a big difference between doing something to make money, or doing it because its your way to finish a grind though

[winter hearth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4piUBy7FKHo&pp=0gcJCc4JAYcqIYzv it absolutely did for some folks!

[meager flame]

Skilling content and tick manipulation id rather just never get a skilling update again

Honestly think its that bad lol

[timber drift]

replace cox seed with more saltpetre

[meager flame]

I also genuinely think dropping skilling supplies or tools is better than dropping products

[timber drift]

wen monkey hp fix

[meager flame]

But

[winter hearth]

Haven't chatted about it with the team yet, work day hasn't even started beast

[timber drift]

good luck at work today king

[hasty shard]

theyve been asking like every hour i swear 😭

[timber drift]

nahhhh

more like.. every 2

[meager flame]

I think its really weird to end a solo cm and have the equivalent of a single pair of rune platelegs delivered to my inventory

[hasty shard]

its not teaching me !!!

[timber drift]

call me a man with a mission

[meager flame]

Or less potentially

[hasty shard]

like I'm kind of surprised that there's not a lot of content thats asking me to click like 3t4g does
as in herb -> tar same tick

i almost think you can get gm only clicking once a tick

[timber drift]

invite me to the meeting i will supply a powerpoint presentation why monke hp change can use some fixes no discussion needed

[meager flame]

Not quite but youd get kinda far

[hasty shard]

you can ofc transfer the knowledge from the cloth, but its not particularly teaching me to click better
granted. how do you teach someone to click better

[meager flame]

Ultimately you do have to flick prayers a lot

[hasty shard]

killing levi no stun and rolling the sourhog drop table

[timber drift]

u can preclick knife/herbtar usually

[meager flame]

The thing that I think is really wrong with tick manip skilling in basically all instances

[timber drift]

guy rolling gold bars sapphires at toa: first time?

[meager flame]

Is youre just working really hard to get nowhere

[timber drift]

wym get nowhere

you get higher xp right away

[meager flame]

Either way its snail pace

The effort to reward ratio is all fucked up

[timber drift]

huh

you get like double fish xp at 3t barb

[winter hearth]

This is insane to me idk

[meager flame]

Think about it you can afk skill or you can sit there and lock in for hours or days likely weeks

[timber drift]

woodcut 4t to 1.5t is an insane increase

yeah the effort literally gets rewarded

[winter hearth]

if I'm chasing a particular skilling goal and can shave 30-40% or in some casus literally more than half of the time off

[timber drift]

as opposed to afk

[meager flame]

To arrive at the same place at relatively the same time

[timber drift]

it's not the same time 😭

[meager flame]

Relatively

[timber drift]

relatively (whatever that means)

[thick beacon]

is there any chance solo skulls at toa can be looked at? feel like its extremely punishing for no reason

[timber drift]

its like 30 to more than 50% faster in some cases

[meager flame]

Who cares about a couple of days if it takes you from 100% effort when you could've given 1% while doing something else productive

[winter hearth]

Some people do, and that's fine

[timber drift]

people who want to make it faster?

[hasty shard]

my issue with skilling tends to just be like,
if the skilling loop is the same from like 30-50 to 99 its kind of miserable

[meager flame]

That just won't make sense for most people

[timber drift]

i'd rather play the game than sit at stars all day for 100k xp

i dont think theres anything wrong with that

[hasty shard]

mining has a toooon of different stuff which is nice

[winter hearth]

If you'd rather progress without putting in the extra effort then that's also fine? But it's like, you could sit at Stars for 4 hours or 3t4g for 1 hour - that's a choice that you get to make, and that's fine I think?

[hasty shard]

stars/vm/3t4g/powermining/mlm/bone shards/otherthingsimforgetting

[timber drift]

ye mining is unironically in a great place rn

forgot blast mine btw..

my goat...

[hasty shard]

blast mine yeah

[winter hearth]

BM and VM are so sick

[fossil epoch]

cant wait to get stackable clues zzz

[hasty shard]

poor forgotten blast mine

[meager flame]

Ya I'm just saying if you put that same level of effort into anything else

Your rewards are incredible

[hasty shard]

i need to find a better solo vm guide

i feel like im not doing it too optimal when im getting like, 50-70k/h i think?

[timber drift]

have you got any examples

[meager flame]

For skilling though its like

Really you just have to enjoy it for the sake of it

[timber drift]

some people do

[meager flame]

Yeah take pvm for example

[timber drift]

1t chins one of the greatest methods ever albeit unintentional

[meager flame]

Lock in and do a raid as perfectly as you can for a month

[winter hearth]

love 1-tick chins

[meager flame]

Then go smack sandstone

Compare your results

[timber drift]

ye then you're about 20% faster than someone doing hand on hog gaming, that's less than the skilling example

[thick beacon]

really sad about rumors/bh being so strong id love to do chins

[timber drift]

you're often forced to lock in at pvm, sure there is a lot of small optimizations which definitely add up

but there's like a baseline you have to play at

[hasty shard]

buuut with something like fishing I feel like theres a lot less variety for decent xp. i am the lone fishing complainer
3t fishing, drift net, tempoross
then every other fish is somehow like sub 50k/h 😭
I REALLY wish aerial fishing was viable mainly, its so not rewarding for the effort that I'm surprised it didn't get changed when the other meme content in kourend got removed

[timber drift]

which is 100% fine btw but its a big diff with skilling

[hasty shard]

agility you are at sepulchre 52-99

[timber drift]

aerial could be so good if they just made the pearls get triggered with rada's and make the fish left click to gut them

[meager flame]

I don't mean just how fast can you mine being the reward its deeper than that

[timber drift]

not even a huge buff or anything just less annoying

[meager flame]

What did spending your time mining give you

[thorn adder]

@winter hearth Can you confirm rate on new giant bosses keys from the bosses please ? It appears the rates and even the drop tables are more similar now to actual normal hill giants /mossy giants.

[meager flame]

What did the mining levels do for you

[timber drift]

bigger number more ore

[meager flame]

The answer is nothing but mining exp

[timber drift]

yeah the point of mining is getting mining xp

[meager flame]

Exactly

Its not even relevant to the game

[timber drift]

you can do it faster with more effort

[winter hearth]

It sounds to me more like your issue is with Skilling just broadly as opposed to specifically tick manip if I'm honest

[timber drift]

eh i feel mining is fairly rewarding unlike some other skills

[meager flame]

Yeah tick manip just stresses the point

Working hard to get nowhere

[winter hearth]

Like if you don't value XP for levels or milestones etc. then it's fine, and I agree that from a more 'conventional' reward perspective that Skilling is far behind PvM, but I don't think that's tick manip's fault?

[timber drift]

skilling could def be more rewarding in general looking at RS3 but

[winter hearth]

But it's not nowhere? The number goes up, you unlock new stuff - that's the point of the skills no?

[meager flame]

Its not like if I mine it really matters and opens up the game to me

[timber drift]

it all adds up

[meager flame]

Its just a forgotten skill in a corner where you make number go up for no reason

[timber drift]

what is a single thing that opens up the game like that

[hasty shard]

OH i forgot zalcano

the zalcano changes are awesome

[timber drift]

fullllllllllllll

[hasty shard]

fulllllll

my personal hope for shale was that it'd be a bit more xp focused (like maybe a bit below efficient vm) and basically just 3t fishing but for rocks

with a deposit box for slightly less efficiency if you don't want to drop items

[timber drift]

try 3t gems

[meager flame]

At least it would be rewarding in its own way

[white narwhal]

It’s a different type of 3 ticking how is that not rewarding

[meager flame]

Not really the greatest way obv imo but

Shale as it is doesn't do xp or gp lol

[white narwhal]

What if it’s not meant for that

[meager flame]

Ngl if its not meant for either its probably not meant for most people to play

[white narwhal]

Is that wrong for everyone or for just you though

[meager flame]

I would wager most players when presented with an opportunity to get no exp and no gp but click a lot

Theyre probably gone before theyre done reading about it

[white narwhal]

Agree to disagree

[hasty shard]

i am the player
i realised you have to chisel shale, i left

thats all it took

[timber drift]

what method does this

[meager flame]

Shale

[timber drift]

but you get xp..

you also get items..

[white narwhal]

Are u even mining it correctly

[meager flame]

I should've said low exp and gp

Its obviously not 0

[white narwhal]

Sound like u just click rock anyway no skill will give u instant 99 regardless how much u want that

[hasty shard]

i think shale is like 200k more gp/h than gem rocks for less xp/h right now?

[timber drift]

its also used for irons to finish off their oathplate

[meager flame]

Ya that's why I used it

I wouldn't have considered it a highlight but at least its only about an hour of content

[white narwhal]

I’m sorry you don’t like it, if it’s not for you that’s one thing but…

[timber drift]

eh its a cool little method that lets irons finish off their oathplate and maybe let people mine it for gp idk

theres more mining methods

not everything has to be top tier xp top tier rewards

something has to be the best but options (with variety!!!!!!!!!!) is always good

[meager flame]

Yeah its just that the other mining methods are actually just better and more accessible

[timber drift]

stars best afk, i think blast mine/zalc/gems best gp (maybe even shale), granite best xp

[meager flame]

Its really mostly just an attempt at teaching people how ticks and skilling work I think but

They need a compelling reason to go to begin with

[white narwhal]

They don’t need to do anything they do things like that for people who it helps and appreciate it

Un called for to put them in a weird spot over personal opinions

[meager flame]

Its also weird that its kind of inaccessible

When it's meant to teach

[hasty shard]

Part of me feels like shale mining isn't on the mining guide on the wiki yet for a reason

like its surprisingly hard to find info on it

[meager flame]

Well yeah

[winter hearth]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Jim's_wet_cloth

It's not part of the Mining guide because if you're reading a guide on going from 1-99 Mining then it's not really worth doing, and the prices aren't exactly where we'd suspected they'd be, but there was a decent period where it was multiple millions of GP/hr to click them in fairness

[meager flame]

I found it pretty easy if you know how to 3t anything or are familiar with game ticks in general

But

[white narwhal]

U can literally mine every single shale in one fluent motion

[meager flame]

You can get to all of the activities where you would want to do those things maybe before you can get to shale

So its really only there as an intro to people who actively avoided learning

[hasty shard]

mining guide chart for reference, i think shale 3t fits in like lower middle section?

the guides generally have info for a lot of methods viable or not, and shale definitely isn't the worst thing to do

[white narwhal]

Yes aka me

[winter hearth]

Probably around there, think you can do around 75k XP/hr

[white narwhal]

Hi

[hasty shard]

im shocked calcified 3t is so much xp

[meager flame]

I cant believe they list vm as high intensity

[fossil epoch]

@winter hearth Can you share if the blog for summer sweep up p2 will land before or after varla p3?

[meager flame]

Lol you are not clicking or thinking for large periods of time at vm

[hasty shard]

its high intensity because i have to interact with people and will hyperventilate

[winter hearth]

Very close to around the same time so idk for sure

[fossil epoch]

fair

[hasty shard]

tbh done a bit of solos its definitely not suuuper afk

[white narwhal]

Ty 4 the shale mining btw ❤️

[hasty shard]

its like. tempoross tier id say

[meager flame]

I guess vm is like some kind of arcane secret for a lot of people though judging by how leagues go

More people should try it

[hasty shard]

people never touch vm or blast mine and wonder why mining sucks

[meager flame]

Pick a role and find 2 people and its easy

I thought about trying to make a video guide for it because most of the ones I've seen when I first started to do it

Make it seem like so much is happening

And nothing is happening you go click rock dont fall in lava and check a vent at certain %s

The hardest part is actually continuing to watch the screen at the appropriate times

[fading token]

#old-school message

[hasty shard]

I want to say there's prooobably a fair amount of people that don't see sitting at stars for 4 hours as actually being there 4 hours, when you only need to tab in every 7 minutes or so, so it ends up feeling more rewarding than clicking an hour straight at granite? like a value-per-click sort of thing
I don't personally I'd bloody die inside doing stars; I want to be actually playing the game
like redwoods are insane xp for the afk but I was still so mentally drained going to 99 cause i wanna pvm

[meager flame]

Thats exactly what is happening

[hasty shard]

I watched sick nerd trying to mine infernal shale with the cloth and he actually hated using it versus normal tick manip

[meager flame]

People find something else to do and load up the afk method in the background

And now theyre getting their exp and being productive in some other way

I think the main interesting part about it all though is that its super disconnected from the game in general

Like someone could sit there and ask themselves if they're actually even progressing when training a bunch of the skills and reasonably could decide they aren't

[vestal jetty]

Can you guys do something to make yama alive again? Content seems dead nobody doing it worlds r empty

@winter hearth

[fickle valve]

@fading token @winter hearth is there any chance either of you could please shed some light on how toa raids over 500 invocation were impacted by yesterdays update? I have been running 540s and would love some insight in how invocation lvls over 500 were impacted, if not i totally understand but thought i would ask! Regardless, appreciate everything yall do for this game, thank you ❤️

[rotund reef]

When is Summer Sweep Part 2 coming?

If so can we change the Chivalry prayers drain rate and stats to match up with the Royal Titan prayers and can we adjust the accessibility to the same as it currently is on w345?.

[winter hearth]

no new weighting threshold beyond 500, but purple rate still increases with each raid level as it usually does

[fickle valve]

awesome, thank you for taking the time to reply! have an enjoyable day!

[timber drift]

it is like non peak time atm

[zealous ledge]

@carmine ferry@winter hearth for the Bryophyta update, could somone clearify the changes?
"- To compensate, each of them now has a reduced, simple loot table. It’s similar to regular giants’ with a chance for Giant Bones (members only) and an increased chance for their keys."
atm 1/16 is the old rate, and after almost 400kc it seems the rates are 1/30-1/35. that does not seems like a increased chance.
"Bryophyta's growthlings cannot spawn back to back, they now have a short cooldown."
on multiple occasions I still get btb spawns. is the cooldown times stared at the time they spawn of after they are killed? atm even with a quick kill of the growthlings they still spawn again a tick later or with slightly slower kills, the same tick.

[fading token]

Sorry, I don't have that kind of detail on it - haven't been working on this project.

[fickle valve]

no worries, thanks for taking the time to reply! have an enjoyable day, and thanks again for your work on the game ❤️

[winter hearth]

Should still be 1/16, the 'increased' was meaning relative to the 'regular giants'

Have already got a note that the growthling cooldown seems a bit hit or miss

[winter hearth]

Far too soon to have much data but it's more or less what you'd expect? Raids beyond 500 have the best weighting shift towards shadow, and higher raid levels still have more purple chance. Need more time and a lot more raids to start baking in stuff like timesave from the changes etc.

[timber drift]

in light of my recent monke room negativity i do want to mention duke changes are really nice

something to grind while they fix monke hp..

[fickle valve]

yea, this is fair enough. I know the idea was to reduce number of purples coming in from higher raid lvls. I wasnt sure if the reduction in purples has been a flat decrease dependant on raid lvls or if higher raid levels have been more heavily nerfed. If the later, many people may find the now only slightly increased purple chance to not be worth the additional effort

[somber cliff]

i am curious how the bryo growthlings spawn has changed. I did a bryo kill with 70 ranged and rune kinives and she re-spawned growthlings instantly around 3 or 4 times in a row. it's still seeming kinda rough, but this is better than a 10 minute kill (bronze arrow oak short) i did a month ago lol

[split jolt]

Absolutely butchered COX loots. Did 14 raids. 13 out of the 14 were seed drops, valuing below 100k each drop. For end game content, the regular rewards are absolute dog shit now and makes chambers more tedious than anything. With over 2k kc, this is a pretty shitty update.

In reference to chambers loot

[zealous ledge]

thanks for the feedback. than it seems that 400kc is still a low sample size to get a acurate rate😬

[blissful nimbus]

Is there an issue that the assembler doesn't pick up darts from blowpipe anymore?

[shadow wave]

What chest piece are you using with the assembler?

[blissful nimbus]

now ahrim top, just for getting kc at zammy gwd

doing last achievement with demonbale spells

[nocturne solstice]

[blissful nimbus]

Lol, never know that

Thanks

[surreal pewter]

Not sure if this is a bug, but something I noticed with the Armadylean variants of spiritual creatures, was that I was able to melee both with a halberd AND without one.

I am assuming that they became “flying” monsters with this update, since the wiki says that they could only be attacked with ranged/magic (prior to this update).

[nocturne solstice]

what do you mean "or without one"? are you attacking it with a dragon scimmy or something?

[surreal pewter]

I was punching them yeah

[nocturne solstice]

On the wiki i see them listed as "spiritual" not "flying" and the last update for the warrior variant was a month ago. Which article were you looking at?

[surreal pewter]

Spiritual warrior.

The spiritual mage page mentions something similar as as well.

[nocturne solstice]

maybe it is a bug though, punching em does sound odd

you can send in a report by right clicking the red button in game and choosing "report game bug"

[surreal pewter]

Fair enough

[rare grotto]

Before the update toa purple rate used to cap out at 550. Is that still the case?

Because it reads to me that the only thing past 500 is that stuff has more HP which gives u more points, but it isn't necessarily more pph

[stuck mauve]

[dire mango]

may i present to you end-game speedrunning: negative gp, no useful xp, all for "number (your personal best time) to go down"

[rare grotto]

@winter hearth

[wispy current]

#game-update message

[wooden totem]

Perfect akkha broken?

Where you fail it immediately when you start the boss and attack with mage

[rare grotto]

thrall fails it iirc

[rare grotto]

yes but i don't think this is right

unless they specifically removed the 550 cap

i think he means to say u get more purp chance as u go higher, but that's just because stuff has more hp

purp rate increasing is different

[wooden totem]

Only melee doesn't fail on first hit lmao

But can't hit the boss so idk?

[wooden harbor]

Surely we can get some blog or something explaining the new drop rate formula in more depth than just the table

[obsidian venture]

Preach

Folks just want everything in the green 🤣

[timber drift]

wen monke room hp fix

[chrome lantern]

Honestly if it’s just a step-up scaling like in the table that’s mega disappointing, in 500s on the table Masori is still 20% rarer than previous rates and the raid is nowhere near that much faster at 500s

Would be ideal if going higher let the weighting get better

[obsidian venture]

Did monkey room yday and it was fine tbh

[timber drift]

i did it yday and it was awful

[chrome lantern]

It’s fine I just find myself taking like

3x more damage than before

And using more prayer

[obsidian venture]

For waves + baba or

Baba is zzz

[chrome lantern]

Baba I also use way more prayer than before redxing obviously

I almost never used any supplies before in 500s but now even with 1t flicking I find myself sipping in baba

Skill issue ig

[obsidian venture]

I usually force down a pot for baba/keph so it doesn’t change too much there

But it does take more prayer in general yes

[chrome lantern]

I was at zero supplies pre warden before

[obsidian venture]

Depends on the raid but don’t need much for wardens for non od or with od, so I didn’t flick as much pre -warden

[chrome lantern]

I usually ended with 1-2 full ppots but I always needed that reserve for if I made a turbo mistake and it saved me several times

I only brought in 4 ppots

[obsidian venture]

Ah fair enough

Prayer regen goes hard

[chrome lantern]

Yeah screw that on iron

Regen prepot alone would probably carry baba though

[obsidian venture]

Yeah haven’t interacted with mixology at all so I wouldn’t know how it is

[chrome lantern]

Huasca is worse

[obsidian venture]

Only thing I do know though, is that xp rates are very generous

For using shit tier herbs

[chrome lantern]

It came out post 99 herb so I didn’t pay much attention but I definitely know they didn’t need to buff xp rates after release like they did

[obsidian venture]

Ye

Was also maxed when it came out

[chrome lantern]

People feel way too entitled to xp rates/99s/maxing nowadays and it hurts the game

[obsidian venture]

[sacred cove]

Gib xp

[buoyant epoch]

Give every skill a redwood like option so I can max while playing a diff account

[chrome lantern]

I think redwoods are pushing it too much

[sacred cove]

Especially agility

[chrome lantern]

If you want to max then actually play

Stars are actually bad because of how accessible they are

Redwoods and amethyst at least require a high level

[buoyant epoch]

That comment was sarcastic, fwiw

[chrome lantern]

I don’t think every skill needs a 5min afk method remotely at all

[chrome lantern]

Yeah but I’m going to respond seriously because a lot of people legitimately think that way

[buoyant epoch]

Sure

[vivid ruin]

But at 30k xp per hour its not really worth doing stars imo. That drag to 99 id rather tick granite

[chrome lantern]

Agility I did side-client at colossal wyrm while playing leagues on my other acc and got 95-99 there

[buoyant epoch]

Idk playing iron while star mining on main doesnt seem bad

[chrome lantern]

Having done zeah bloods on my main, amethyst on my iron, and anglerfish on my iron to 99 at 20k/hr (very low effort at zeah, was primarily playing the iron), I can say that it’s more than enough

You also don’t have to max immediately and 30k/hr will take you there faster than it should

I’d be fine with something a bit more afk than like mlm or calcified rocks but stars push it way too far

[vivid ruin]

Yeah actually compared to other mine rates 30k for hours of afk isnt bad

[chrome lantern]

The game shouldn’t encourage people to not play it

[vivid ruin]

Avg is like 50k

[true talon]

exp after 99 means absolutely nothing and should be treated as such.

[true talon]

i did few hours of that shale mining for my oathplate and i wanted to go back to yama an just get the last piece. skilling is so fucking mindnumbing boring and slow.

Mainly because it has no reward incentive.

like i find wildy agility much more exciting than normal rooftops, because every lap im getting something and there is the thrill of danger logging in at any moment.

its not just oh another exp drop.....

[timber drift]

wen monke hp nerf

[timber drift]

we got melvor idle for that

i dont care about the 30k/h but 1 click 7 min afk isnt playing the game at that point and thats lame

[earnest marsh]

What about idle games 😮

[timber drift]

we have an osrs idle game

two even

[obsidian venture]

Osrs is afk af…

[hallow musk]

Wait, I'm sorry. After multiple direct questions with vague replies, are you @winter hearth saying that you guys will not be releasing the new drop rate mechanics for TOA? You guys have changed the whole meta for the raid, unpolled. I get your reasons, I support them, but I have put in 350hr at toa and still am dry for my shadow. The only thing that keeps me sane is logging each raid into an excel sheet so that I know I'm making progress towards a statistical improbability.

Or at the very least can you then give a date and time you will release the new mechanic so that I can avoid the raid until then?

[obsidian venture]

What kcs are you at?

[hallow musk]

550kc expert, mostly 400-450 and 150kc normal. Run a lot with clannies without a mega so my old % was trash

[obsidian venture]

Sadge

[tropic kelp]

wait why didnt the toa drop rate changes go live

[hallow musk]

They did

[tropic kelp]

oh

[hallow musk]

They just didn't release the new % calculation and weightings

[tropic kelp]

but the kinda did in the original post right

oh they just gave the expected number of raids not the weightings

[hallow musk]

^

[steady saddle]

Is there any word on when the final poll 84 content gets added

[hallow musk]

And a vague graph that isn't an actual calculation of % chance

[dire mango]

Do you intend to minmax for the best "shadow% per effort" or do you just go insane from not having the exact numbers yet?

[hallow musk]

Mate, are you an iron?

I'm already over rate, that's fine, we all go over rate. But yes, I'd go absolutely crazy continuing forward having no idea where I'm at on statistical possibility

[velvet token]

Either way if you want the shadow u will just have to keep going:/

[dire mango]

I get you want the details released, so do i, but why do they affect your desire to do the raid when you need the shadow anyways?

[frail bough]

https://tenor.com/ta7T.gif

[hallow musk]

sigh

[dire mango]

In practice there is 0 difference if you're doing a 450 now vs a 450 in a week when you know the rates

[frail bough]

Just do as good as you can until you know if you need to adjust or not,

[ember token]

you can simply just continue raiding and tracking your raids, and when the details are available, you can calculate where you're at statistically

[dire mango]

Just curious about your mentality, not trying to argue that the details should not be released.

[hallow musk]

50% I would yes like to figure out if it's worth scaling vs time each raid, 50% leaving my excel sheet of raids = ??? is super annoying

[frail bough]

If thats how you enjoy the game, then i suppose just wait - I'm sure they will let us know. Plenty of other things to do in the mean time im sure.

[dire mango]

Fair, but as Data pointed out you can just keep tracking and stuff it into excel later.

[stuck mauve]

whats better, solo tob or duo tob

[frail bough]

not doing tob at all

[ember token]

based on the info they have gave us, you could certainly make a fairly accurate estimate anyways

[rose cloud]

:O

[hallow musk]

Aight I'm gonna stop replying here. My last thought, there isn't a single precedent for changing explicilty known drop rates without giving the new rate. The raid literally had its %s known before it was even implemented. I don't think it's wrong to be upset that they make radical changes and then dodge explicit questions to what those changes were. All I was trying to know is if the vague responses were intentional and they don't plan to release rates (????) Or when they would.

[timber drift]

wen monke hp fix (i am not stopping posting)

[ember token]

(it is not being hotfixed so you'll be posting all week)

[small anvil]

There was a chart of raids to get each item before and after in one of the blogs, it might not have your exact raid level as one of the columns but it should give you an idea

But you can instead have this depressing reality of statistics thrown in your face. You are no closer to pulling a shadow than when you started 😔

[hallow musk]

But you are closer to being a statistical improbability, and that's good enough for me

Also why do shaman monkeys now randomly attack with their ranged attack when the thrall limit has yet to be reached?

[tacit wharf]

gotta ask, how many purples you at even

[hard axle]

It’s not even bad, I did a duo yesterday with Bane and we got sub 1:30 despite both of us being rustier than a 40 year old nail

Maxed ranged with lb hits 31s so you 2 tap them regardless

[chrome lantern]

If you’ve ever done any of the methods I talked about you would know they’re 100x more interaction than stars, so it’s pretty obvious why I’m fine with one (at a low rate) and not the other (at a disproportionally high rate for zero effort)

[hard axle]

You one way rapier/fang to kill range, sang 1 way with heart prepot to kill melees, BP one shots with diarrhea monkey, mage monkey

[chrome lantern]

Don’t see what that has to do with the things I said at all but ok

[timber drift]

are you blowpiping them now as opposed to before

venoming them prevents summon

[hard axle]

Stars are actually busted as fuck for how afk they are

Theres a reason why so many people hit 99s with stars

[chrome lantern]

30k isn’t even that low, this is the entitlement I’m talking about tbh. And it’s definitely not low if you consider the entire lack of effort involved

[hard axle]

Solo and afk is a Redditors wet dream

30k/hr when peak is 140k/hr with tick manipulation that no Redditor will ever do long term, so let’s go with the next best solo or team method - VM

Solo VM is like 70k/hr and team VM is nearly 100k/hr

30-50% the best rate while more afk is insanely good

[small anvil]

I like mlm, it's mostly afk

And more money

[hard axle]

Context matters too - 30k for afk firemaking might not be good, but if you gave a 30k/hr afk agility method, that would be broken.

[small anvil]

And like double stars rate

[hard axle]

Yeah mlm can hit 50-60k/hr post changes

[chrome lantern]

For mining in particular though

[hard axle]

kinda insane

[stuck mauve]

[chrome lantern]

Mining already had like 7 viable training methods

It didn’t need stars

[stuck mauve]

but my stardust

and golden prospector

[small anvil]

Stars is kinda nice in the brings people together way

Kinda reminds of the good ol days when things were crowded at resources in f2p

[chrome lantern]

Ah yes the golden prospector cosmetic downgrade kit

[stuck mauve]

real?

[true talon]

it didnt before stars. you actually forget how bad mining was before stars and mlm.

[chrome lantern]

It literally did

[true talon]

it did not

[chrome lantern]

And they were fine

[still sundial]

I am still in the camp that they should have left duke mining alone (and by extension, stars)

[stuck mauve]

duke sucellus mining

[chrome lantern]

Mlm, amethyst, powermining, vm, blast mine, 3t4g, sandstone all perfectly viable

Vm very low input once you know what to do

[small anvil]

I kinda feel like they ought to buff the XP on coal or higher ores

[stuck mauve]

so what youre saying is that its unplayable now?

[true talon]

? how you gonna get to amethyst at 60 mining. vm? lol blast mine???? were you gonna get dynomite? mlm is only thing listed thats moderately good.

[small anvil]

It's a bit sad that mining for rune is such bad XP

[chrome lantern]

Brother dynamite is not hard to get

[still sundial]

zalcano not good xp nowadays also?

[chrome lantern]

VM is amazing

People just don’t even try it

[hard axle]

Is your only response to VM “lol”?

[small anvil]

Mining is one of the most fleshed out skills

[chrome lantern]

It is but it wasn’t when stars were put out

[true talon]

i think you need to understand your expierence at max lvl/max gear/max anything is not the same as someone who is newer. this persective literally seems to exist whenever people discuss xp rates or methods or difficulty.

[small anvil]

"oh no, teammates!"

[hard axle]

VM didn’t get any sizeable changes aside from solo qol

[chrome lantern]

I trained the skill believe it or not

[small anvil]

It's sad that smithing absolutely sucks in comparison

[hard axle]

It was 95k/hr

[chrome lantern]

From level 1

[hard axle]

Buddy, I maxed mining twice over pre-changes lmao

[true talon]

ok and that matters why?

[hard axle]

from 2017-2023

[still sundial]

smithing was ruined by creating automated blast furnace worlds

[hard axle]

It matters because you’re saying I forgot

[true talon]

what you did and how enjoyable something is not relevent.

[chrome lantern]

So people can’t have valid opinions unless they made their account in 2025?

[hard axle]

And I literally didn’t