game-update

[hard axle]

yeah that's my main issue with it

[obsidian venture]

less orbs

gg enrage

[wispy current]

Tank and spank vs race against rng

[obsidian venture]

so now where will you you use your supplies

[rare grotto]

the whole point of a raid is that every place should use supplies in some way?

[small anvil]

baba is now the puzzle room

and monkeys is the boss

(also nerfed)

[rare grotto]

not just 1 part of a raid

[obsidian venture]

yeah lmao

it's bizarre to not using anything

but they are ways, if you play well, can mitigate the usage

WOW

[wispy current]

U gotta stop saying im not eilling to use any supplies man lmfao

[small anvil]

bird nests are so cheap rn anyway

[obsidian venture]

No you're saying you want to use them at akkha enrage. We are saying that's fine but using some supplies at baba is fine as well

[small anvil]

use more brews

[rare grotto]

funny enough the only tob rooms that don't require supplies in tob are maiden and xarpus, maiden makes up for it with its mechanics and xarpus is well.. known for being dogshit design

[wispy current]

I bring 3 brews into toa. I need all that for akkha idc if that makes me bad

[obsidian venture]

also akkha enrage IS getting nerfed

that means you're playing horribly yes

[small anvil]

bloat is doable without supplies if you go super slow no?

[obsidian venture]

which also means you haven't bothered to practice it in entry

[obsidian venture]

yes

[rare grotto]

yeah u can always opt for super safe strats

[obsidian venture]

i mean people do duo tob maidens without a restore

[rare grotto]

but it's common to bring grest + pneck just for that room

and in speedruns bloat takes a lot of invvy space

[wispy current]

Saying ur bad because u dont click potion doesnt change anything either like theres no strategy to clicking a potion

[stuck mauve]

5d bloat or reset

[small anvil]

yeah, i'm not saying you SHOULD do it supplyless, just pointing out that it's also a 0 supply room by technicality

[obsidian venture]

right but saying you need all 3 implies that

because every learner that complains about is told to practice it in entry

and guess

[wispy current]

I mean warden too

[obsidian venture]

they learn how to avoid getting hit

wow

imagine that

so less brews used

[rare grotto]

i was going by normal standards, like if ur gonna do super slow strats then yeah... every room is kinda 0 supply

can use bloodfury for a lot of the rooms too

but that's kinda griefing

[small anvil]

(That's a supply!!!) 🙃

[obsidian venture]

!!!

[rare grotto]

bf is not a supply

[small anvil]

to an iron who wants to only profit supplies from everything it certainly is haha

(i do not condone this way of thinking)

i think its a good thing if content uses supplies

[obsidian venture]

They're meant to be used end of story

If you're good, you can mitigate the usage

[small anvil]

it forces tradeoffs in # of switches, makes the economy healthier

[obsidian venture]

that's it

[wispy current]

U realize ur like prolly top 5% skill in the whole game right

[small anvil]

like i understand the complaints about baba, but their solution is braindead

[obsidian venture]

Idk what I am

[stuck mauve]

a gamer

[small anvil]

no radiant scrub is what you are

[wispy current]

This

[obsidian venture]

But what I do know is that the folks that listen to me and complain less when learning content, end up becoming much better than the avg player

but you have to do the "learning" part

[small anvil]

like making baba braindead is so much in the other direction

[wispy current]

Some people just arent good at the technical side

[obsidian venture]

let me log in man

[wispy current]

Most people

[rare grotto]

victim

[hard axle]

guys chill

[rare grotto]

it's a children's point and click game, you can do it.

[small anvil]

they could have done things to incentivise people needing to do things not just camping the prayer

[hard axle]

let me explain

[stuck mauve]

[small anvil]

But what if i have old man clicks

[obsidian venture]

Man a dude with no working hands has more achievements than 99% of the game

[small anvil]

.6 seconds so short

[rare grotto]

i've seen some demonically old men play this game

(asaradomin)

[obsidian venture]

.6 is actually very graceful

[rare grotto]

u do not need good clicks in this game

[small anvil]

oh god asara mentioned

[hard axle]

Sorry, mid Yama so couldn't type, but Bane has more of an issue with the implication that you need that many brews if you're playing perfectly, when you generally dont. That's all.

You yourself have said it's okay to use supplies, and I agree because we have literally 2+ skills dedicated for making supplies like this.

Even if fringe situations, where Baba smacks you 5-15s every hit and ignores accuracy checks because you're not Red-Xing, Yellow Keris or brews is fine due to how many supplies we are given by the spirit below 450 RL.

[wispy current]

Some people are disabled, have mental issues u guys sound really narcissistic

[obsidian venture]

?

[small anvil]

yeah bane and zapdos were mostly taking issue with you saying you "played perfectly"

[hard axle]

Baba also already had its damage reduced pretty substantially prior to this, which is why we don't think it needs to be 0 damage

[obsidian venture]

Yeah man the avg osrs player I'm talking too is disabled apparently

[rare grotto]

asara is someone i respect ngl, when he sets his eye on something he gets it done, no matter how hard it is

[obsidian venture]

There's a thing called context

and there's a thing called adjusting

wow

[small anvil]

last i heard asara was stuck on perfect tob

[rare grotto]

a paraplegic did awakened vardorvis right

i don't think u can make any excuses

[obsidian venture]

but he plays perfectly

so

[rare grotto]

if u don't wanna learn, thats fine. Just don't say ur limited by xyz

[obsidian venture]

yeah like at the end of the day do you

[wispy current]

Not everyone has the same experience and u dont know everyones situation

[rare grotto]

that does not mean anything

[obsidian venture]

Say something more general please

[small anvil]

a lot of the reason people that are high lvl act this way is mostly that they think people self limit too much, things aren't impossible. It takes practice and focused learning sometimes, as well as implementing the right strats

[obsidian venture]

I like to drink water if I'm thirsty

hope this helps

[stuck mauve]

basicaly black zapdos pain is greater than yours tuanbly

so you lose

[obsidian venture]

I left a guide up above

[small anvil]

but it's not impossible and people gatekeep themselves too much

[obsidian venture]

should read it

[small anvil]

I know i'm bad, I also know i could improve

[obsidian venture]

.

check that guide out

it works

[stuck mauve]

yeah

[rare grotto]

idk if someone is literally physically disabled and can achieve hard stuff in this game, there's nothing physically preventing you from doing so as well...

[small anvil]

things seem hard but once you get the familiarity and internal rhythym down it becomes much easier

[stuck mauve]

[obsidian venture]

me rn

[stuck mauve]

lol

[obsidian venture]

Time + practice

[small anvil]

and not giving up

[obsidian venture]

and it's a completely ok to not do that

[wispy current]

Idk you guys think everything should be tailored to you but people your skill level are less than a fraction of the playerbase

[stuck mauve]

and 10% luck

[obsidian venture]

We don't think that

Nice assumption though

[small anvil]

I think most of the complaints is that the changes are just dumbing down the content

[rare grotto]

it is just this.. but i understand if u come from work etc and don't want to put in effort and a game and be brain off. I just dont think u can have a valid opinion on matters if ur like this tho

[small anvil]

it's certainly doable

as it is now

[stuck mauve]

but theres like thousands of blorvas out there

[small anvil]

baba changes are making the boss braindead

[rare grotto]

why are u thinking in we vs you

we just want baba to be its best

[obsidian venture]

and not boring

[wispy current]

Cus we have different opinions

[sacred oracle]

they said fraction, and blorva owners are a fraction of the playerbase

i'm not picking a side

[hard axle]

at that point, we should discuss if the average player can't handle baba, should the rewards really be coming from it

[sacred oracle]

but that is what was said

[stuck mauve]

pick one

[sacred oracle]

i'm too busy trying to do time+patience in toa

[stuck mauve]

red or blue

[obsidian venture]

yellow

[sacred oracle]

ORANGE

[stuck mauve]

[sacred oracle]

i've now spent 8 hours dying in toa

no one can say i'm not trying

[stuck mauve]

you could take a break

or power through

both work

[small anvil]

it also sometimes takes focused practice on the things you need improving in mox

[sacred oracle]

upset stomach keeps killing me, zebak is a meanie face

[small anvil]

like turn off all other invos besides the boss you're learning

[stuck mauve]

[small anvil]

there's charts with upset stomach solves i have to imagine

[rare grotto]

yeah takes a conscious effort to get better, but it is possible nontheless

[stuck mauve]

just do it

yesterday you said tomorrow

[small anvil]

i know gnome said it was always a left side solve then a uh... middle?

[wispy current]

I think everyone can agree its noy perfect in the state it is now and the “fixes” theyre presenting arent perfect either

[sacred oracle]

i just don't see it fast enough

i keep dying while i'm trying to figure out what to click

[vivid ruin]

Hang left side of arena

[small anvil]

yeah, thats a practice thing

[vivid ruin]

When facing zeb

[small anvil]

i struggled with zulrah for the longest time

cuz i'm not good at straight memorizing lol

my eyes glaze over

[hard axle]

mhm

my only concern is that there's also a group of folks

that will nod yes to everything that makes it easier

[stuck mauve]

folklore

[hard axle]

which this is an extreme version of such

tweak down baba's damage even further

[small anvil]

like i think you have to consider the desire to just make things easier takes away the depth of the game

[hard axle]

hell cap the damage at 300-350 instead 375

[sacred oracle]

i don't know enough about toa to have an opinion

the changes seem fine to me, but i've barely done the raid

[small anvil]

they're taking away all reason to do 5:1

[wispy current]

Idk why the tweak has to be so hard xtreme

[rare grotto]

ngl i don't even care about 5:1 even though i do it, but it's just weird when a boss can't kill you at all

[hard axle]

it doesn't

it's just weird

[sacred oracle]

i've died at baba 58392852905 times today, unless they're removing the rocks and the gap i think you can still die

[vivid ruin]

Theyre also adding stuff to zeb arent they? I feel like i often see people freaking out about stuff and then are satisfied after its out. Like oathplate design

[small anvil]

add what?

[stuck mauve]

yeah

[rare grotto]

dunno dying to gap happens when u just start out maybe..

same goes for rocks

[small anvil]

they're making waves not instakill if you fail basically?

[rare grotto]

is just 0 dmg

[vivid ruin]

1 thing theyre changing is making bananas 3x3 tiles which makes the arena an obstacle

Idr the rest

[sacred oracle]

Protect from Melee now mitigates all damage at Ba-Ba, unless Invocations which reduce the effectiveness of Protection prayers are activated.
wait, what

this is stupid

[small anvil]

yes

[sacred oracle]

(i'm finally reading the blog, i kinda skimmed it first time because i don't do the raid)

[small anvil]

it is

[sacred oracle]

damn people weren't kidding when they said i should wait until wednesday for my mustard cape arc

[rare grotto]

scurrius is more engaging ngl, have to prayflick there etc

[small anvil]

the boulder split thing also

literally just stand next to a sarcophagus or smth

[sacred oracle]

Ba-Ba spawns fewer baboons, which will die after one hit from any attack style. If Jungle Japes is turned on (we see you running your Banana 5s) then baboons will drop more bananas on death, to account for the reduced number of baboons.
well people just ignore these anyway, don't they?

i always do

wait, should i not be

[wispy current]

Baba was always not engaging

[rare grotto]

u should ignore

[sacred oracle]

i don't get it

[vivid ruin]

Theyre more spec w/ death charge

[rare grotto]

pretty fun if u play baba right (as of today)

[sacred oracle]

i'm not using death charge yet, but that's good

i don't think i get these changes

actually, wait, i get it now

from their perspective, they want the danger from baba to be the environment and special attacks

and none from his autos

maybe people who don't like chip damage got to them

i dunno

[vivid ruin]

Thats what im thinking tbh

[sacred oracle]

people seem to really hate chip damage

it's kind of whatever to me

[rare grotto]

maybe if environment/specs were more frequent/relevant that pov would hold some weight

[sacred oracle]

i saw That Guy complaining about vard chip here earlier today, and it's never bothered me

it's just damage from a boss

bring food/alt/whatever

not a big deal to me

[rare grotto]

vard does significantly more dmg than baba

[sacred oracle]

i don't see the difference between a boss that does chip and a boss where you can't pray against every attack

but one, people seem to like a lot less

[obsidian venture]

@sacred oracle First solve is sw towards zeb, 2nd solve is ne near the mid

[sacred oracle]

maybe they just want all or most bosses to be 0 damage if done correctly, like whisperer

wait, is zeb south?

[obsidian venture]

zeb is west

[sacred oracle]

oh

[obsidian venture]

sw would be near zeb

[sacred oracle]

i just have zeb north all the time

[obsidian venture]

ne would be towards the bridge

solved upset stomach 👍

[sacred oracle]

Akkha now only prays against the style that he's attacking with.
this is confusing

wait, does that mean he's vulnerable to two attack styles at once?

[sacred oracle]

okay i'll try it if i go back in tonight, i might be done until tomorrow

i feel like 8 hours of dying is enough

i think if i keep going i'll just get worse

[rare grotto]

yeah

[sacred oracle]

that's craaazy

i thought the whole point is you can only attack him with one thing

[rare grotto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9aulETJGls could have a listen to this if u want

get some perspective on things

[sacred oracle]

i didn't really read the changes until now

it feels like these will make the raid dramatically easier

though perhaps it only seems that way to me because i'm bad at it

i don't know if it changes anything for high invo raids

[obsidian venture]

It does

People who play better will get affected

Although you can be ie and doing 400s easily

[chrome lantern]

I feel like it is like a 1 min time save and nothing else to me doing 500s

[obsidian venture]

See team toas where folks who do 400s can't even solo a 300

[chrome lantern]

Save 1 min, get significantly worse drop rates

[sacred oracle]

i didn't know team toa was considered so much easier

[vivid ruin]

Well...... depends. You need a team that you're in sync with. FFA can be silly

[sacred oracle]

so which parts of the changes are the worst?

what should i be mad about

there's too much chat for me to scroll up and figure it out

[hard axle]

https://i.imgur.com/6PAP7xM.png

accurate

@rare grotto

[sacred oracle]

is reynolds someone i should know? what's his thing?

[vivid ruin]

Ahhka auto changing his attack style

[hard axle]

he is a peak toa raider

and just a very good player overall

[sacred oracle]

i haven't seen a single person say anything good about the changes, but i also haven't been on reddit, just here

[hard axle]

80% of his channel is high level toa learners

20% of his channel is high level colosseum learners

[sacred oracle]

it seems likely to me, from reading here, that on wednesday there will be changes to what was proposed

[hard axle]

he's like a better lesser known version of aatykon/genomemonkey because he doesn't subscribe to drama

just hits content

[vivid ruin]

Imo baba is fine as is. Ahhka bubble phase needs like a 5%-10% reduction and thatd be fine too

Everything else should be left alone

[stuck mauve]

true akkha just never needs to switch styles and its perf

[rare grotto]

he's also employed so has a more grounded PoV on things..

[sacred oracle]

i don't usually watch videos but i'm listening to this

[rare grotto]

delightful fella 👍

[wispy current]

“Chip damage isnt that bad!!” avoids all chip damage

[hard axle]

at least they acknowledged butterfly to remain and actually made changes to keep it fully active if you are perfect with it

[hard axle]

it is frustrating af to listen to people to talk about nex and then they refuse to pray melee during enrage, step in melee distance, step under tech

like

even when it isn't "bug abuse"

people don't want to put the effort in to reduce damage taken by upwards of 20-50%

that frustrates me like hell

[obsidian venture]

Taught someone during a bingo we had to 5t melee, and mind you they didn't do nex before and barely pvm

Got a nex learner to 5t + melee within 10 kc and they completed the tile for us 😭

Eff things that increase qol + save time for lil effort does wonders

[hard axle]

[sacred oracle]

i still think of 5t as nex walking

even when i'm doing it at kq

[obsidian venture]

Can do the same things brain off and save time to do more things in-game or irl

Insane concept

[hard axle]

I'm still waiting for someone to say walking sol heredit so he doesn't attack at a bad tick is cheese

[sacred oracle]

[hard axle]

I say this all the time, but even if you removed red-x at baba, you just end up with same red-x behavior.

Because you can replicate the same behavior without red-x

it's just a lot more dynamic and sloppier

chriskies did this when they broke red-x the first time

[tiny epoch]

yeah https://youtu.be/JrSjstdmv8Q

[slender vapor]

Good old step under tech, truly we haven't evolved further than bandos tanking after all

[obsidian venture]

People don't know the difference sadly

Yet argue like they do

[swift ivy]

the updates on wednesday right ?

[tacit wharf]

havent seen an post to state otherwize from #game-news

[swift ivy]

okay ty, people in itswills chat kept saying update tmrw and it was confusing me. as its 11pm sunday for me

[tacit wharf]

though sailing beta + summer sweep up on same day, would be a lot

ya heard that on mutt's today as well

but havent seen anyone mention it here, so

[ember token]

sailing beta starts on the 26th i think

[chrome lantern]

Ye

[tacit wharf]

oh yr right

[cosmic kite]

can someone @ me here if they know what day/time summer sweep is coming out this week

❤️

[ember token]

updates are at the same time every week unless announced otherwise beforehand

[cosmic kite]

when is that?

@ember token

[cosmic kite]

Appreciate it 🙂

[cold ocean]

Could a jmod confirm if my purple sweets can be used at the delve boss, or are they useless again like at inferno and colo..? If they’re useless again I’d prefer to sell them while they hold some value lol

[ember token]

i would guess they probably cant be used

idk if they ever confirmed before inferno or colo released that they cant be used there

ctrl+f sweets on the first fortis blog, nothing

[hard axle]

The answer is probably no

They generally have been against the infinite stacking items being useable in most wave based content because they don’t want it to be a factor to just brute force it

By hiding out of combat to eta up

[cold ocean]

Hmm makes sense

[hard axle]

and they killed a decent usage of it from cox too with the agility change

You use far less of it than before

[glacial jewel]

What channel do I go in to complain about dungeoneering not being in the game?

[fair comet]

We don’t have one for complaining but if you’d like to provide constructive feedback and frame it as a suggestion, you could do so in #1022203837265756231

[plush seal]

Does someone know the update time this wednesday? I cant remember the usual time and this discord still reflects the old update method,

[restive siren]

like 11 am UK time usually iirc

[plush seal]

is that bst yeah?

[restive siren]

yer

[restive siren]

11:30 actually, can see it in their #game-news posts

[plush seal]

awesome tyty

[solar vault]

Thanks for putting more osrs music on spotify! Is it possible to do another older music album such as Arabian?

[sacred cove]

You can put those complaints right here

[tawny tide]

Forget dungeoneering we need summoning

[sacred cove]

You can place that right next to Jerry's idea. Thanks!

[tawny tide]

https://tenor.com/view/heinzel-evil-dance-cursed-summoning-devil-gif-17325881

[final frigate]

wait but aren't you supposed to click the teleport crystal or a potion on the ground what's going on

this looks like it's just how the game/boss works

[tiny epoch]

[obsidian venture]

Oh my god??!

[brittle shale]

hi

[atomic ember]

shift clicking under?

[sterile iris]

A friend of mine claims that the summer sweep up changes for TOA will either be this week or next week and that it came from jagex themselves.
Is he mixing things up or are the TOA changes indeed coming so quickly after announcing them?

[ember token]

they are coming this week yes

[sterile iris]

Alright, thank you for confirming

[thick beacon]

i think theres alot more then that coming to but seems insane if they have speed to do it this fast regardless

[tacit wharf]

i mean most things seemed like, just change numbers

[minor whale]

They said on Reddit all the changes coming this week (as in all of the ones that are coming this week)

If that's accurate or not remains to be seen

We've had promised stuff not delivered before, so I wouldn't go in thinking it's a guarantee

[small anvil]

It's not all I don't think? They listed specific things

Or rather which bosses

But not the entire sweep up last I heard

[ember token]

remember we havent even seen the entire sweep-up yet

they're holding back discussing the 2nd part which involves slayer changes

[hard axle]

I have a sneaking suspicion that they’ll do the on-task/off-task split since that’ll fix a lot of issues with bots farming profitable mobs off task

[meager flame]

i think they'll probably do something about slayer points finally

or at least i really hope so

imagine if you didn't have to use turael

[tacit wharf]

just delete turael ( )

[sacred oracle]

turael is the real last endgame boss

[true talon]

This means you just doing every task given lol.

[tacit wharf]

:thinksmart

[warm storm]

add aya's cousin yay, who lets you cancel task/end streak w/o doing a random goblin task

[tacit wharf]

• nuke skipping all together
• reduce "bad task" , not all but some from each master
• when offered a monster with a boss variant, offer up both options but have the boss at a reduced quantity, must pick one of the other (like tzharr/jad)
• new val slayer master that offers boss tasks only (excludes slayer bosses), make it 110 cmb req and since its val and everything is more difficult, cant use a slayer helm/blk mask to do task

[warm storm]

what does "make it 110" mean

and why would you bother with boss slayer that doesn't give you the hat

[tacit wharf]

sorry 110 cmb

[warm storm]

when offered a monster with a boss variant, offer up both options but have the boss at a reduced quantity, must pick one of the other
what purpose does this serve? as of right now you can freely do either the boss or mob version of these tasks, mix-and-matching

[tacit wharf]

would be to change that so u cant, u either kill the normal or u get a reduced boss #

[warm storm]

but why? how does that make gameplay better?

reducing player freedom is something that requires justification imo

[tacit wharf]

why, because honestly there shouldnt be a way to go and kill 250 boss monsters on one task

in the first place

[warm storm]

i disagree with every part of your suggestions and i don't think we'll find common ground so i'll leave it there

[tacit wharf]

that is fine

[meager flame]

i mean theres a super simple solution

if you want skips to be 30 points just make tasks actually give enough points to match the expected skips per hour roughly of turael

then you just rebalance the value of other slayer point rewards

[small anvil]

Let slayer cape pick or get free skips or something

[meager flame]

turael is now dead

the only reason people go to turael is because the task isn't worth doing

but if you had tasks actually just genuinely give you the points that the time investment should reward it would be fine

[rare grotto]

do u understand why ppl skip tasks

[meager flame]

sure you might do that one task for a large period of time but at the end when you get enough points for several skips

it would be worth it

[warm storm]

clearly not lol

[small anvil]

Balance skipping by giving turael worse tasks 🙃

[meager flame]

turael is only meta because points/hr are trash

[warm storm]

aya skipping is mostly a post-99 thing afaik

leveling meta is about point-neutral and never aya skipping

[small anvil]

Yeah turael is more about hunting specific tasks

[meager flame]

it goes a lot deeper than just turael though

[small anvil]

I think straight duradel slayer is fine honestly

[meager flame]

thats also why you block certain tasks

[small anvil]

Or wildy

Block list and balanced skips on lower weights is ok

[meager flame]

if they actually gave you appropriate points for suffering through the bad task you'd make up the exp on the other side by being able to fish for better tasks

[small anvil]

It's hunting specific tasks that's awful

[meager flame]

instead of people having to design spreadsheets to tell them what should be blocked

[small anvil]

Favorite tasks that increase weight might be nice idk

[meager flame]

they just made a huge mistake when they said every individual task would give the same points

[small anvil]

I think point boosting is less trash than turael skipping

[meager flame]

they should have never done that

bad tasks should give more points

to make up for being ass

so you can reasonably do them and not feel bad

[small anvil]

I do kinda think most issues are post 99? Not sure how true that is in practice

So a buff to slayer cape might be nice

[stuck mauve]

i did only barrage tasks and some zuk tasks from 86-95 slayer, by turael skipping, I'd say its faster to train slayer this way, can burst if broke, can also build a good block/extension list for barraging/bursting or zuk task hunting

[meager flame]

yeah generally the best way to go is to just setup some method of having as many barrage tasks as possible

[tacit wharf]

lets lets ehp the hell out of slayer, by only doing burst tasks and a set number of specific tasks you my be hunting for, instead of managing your slayer points by only canceling tasks that are crap to do while still having to do more managable tasks

[meager flame]

assuming you can pay for it

[small anvil]

I don't wanna do barrage tasks as much post 99 lol

I don't care about xp

But I do wanna hunt slayer bosses

[meager flame]

its the same thing conceptually though you just change the task you're hunting for

not the reason you're using the system the way we do

and when push comes to shove and the amount of tasks you're hunting gets smaller and smaller

you find out turael is WAY more effective points/hr than actually getting points by doing slayer normally

so instead of getting points and using skips you just circumvent the entire system

and talk to turael

it all goes back to tasks not giving enough points to justify the amount of time you end up doing them

[small anvil]

I don't think you're getting people to do bad tasks if they're chasing xp

Unless you make it both short and lots of points

[meager flame]

you could easily if i found some task nobody was ever going to do right now and said if you do this task you get 1000 slayer points

this is an exaggeration

everyone would instantly do that task

every single time

because you'd save time and gain more exp by getting that many skips

[small anvil]

Basilisk knights

How long is that task lol

[tacit wharf]

u can turn those on/off though

but ya long task, especially w/o good gear

[meager flame]

the point is though if you tune slayer points based on the task length and exp/hr and stuff like that

you could effectively make every task viable

[small anvil]

The way to incentivise it is to buff streaks imo

[meager flame]

and turn block lists into like

pure preference

[tacit wharf]

just nuke tureal and trim some of the bad tasks out

force u to choose, do i cancel or do i do

[meager flame]

i actually think the hardest part would be getting it all to work out in a healthy way

[small anvil]

Streaks are supposed to be the counter incentive to turael cancelling

[meager flame]

you'd probably need to only work on a few tasks at a time to make sure you weren't doing something really dumb

[obsidian venture]

People just want specific things aka why tureal is ideal

[tacit wharf]

kick the crutch out that is tureal skipping all together

[meager flame]

ya thats ultimately why rewarding them with more points for bad stuff works because they can do the things they dont want

to increase their chances for things they do want

[obsidian venture]

Removing tureal means more time to hunt stuff

Which is a straight downgrade

[tacit wharf]

so

[obsidian venture]

Especially when slayer gets mixed reviews

[meager flame]

you could easily blow turael slayer out of the water in efficiency by giving people enough points

i dont think they should go quite that far but

they could make them roughly the same

[obsidian venture]

They could sure

But they did kinda solve inferno

Unexpected change

[small anvil]

I feel like few enough people care about ehp rates post 99 that they could just buff slayer cape

[meager flame]

idk slayer points just always bug me since i've done system design before and like

its honestly super terrible lol

whoever originally did it really had no idea what they were doing

[small anvil]

Streaks could def be stronger

The penalty for turael is not that bad

[meager flame]

yeah i mean turael slayer should exist it needs to

because its intended purpose is so players cannot get stuck with a task they cant do for one reason or another

[small anvil]

(if you wanted to nerf it you could also just make turael more miserable by making his tasks like 3x longer)

[meager flame]

its just whoever did the rest of the system just really missed the mark

and didnt realize the backup for when players needed to get out of a task was way way more efficient than actually playing with the system for points

[warm storm]

i don't understand why you would want to nerf turael tbh

make base slayer better if you want

[tacit wharf]

because its unhealthy for the game

[small anvil]

I wouldn't mind unextends being purchaseable for bad tasks

[obsidian venture]

The weighting of stuff needs to be balanced

[meager flame]

you wouldn't nerf turael you would buff regular slayer to make turael unnecessary outside of its intended purpose

[obsidian venture]

But it’s not inherently unhealthy

[small anvil]

Because the way people interact with slayer now (optimally) completely bypasses the intended system

[meager flame]

like people already have a way of doing slayer you wouldn't want to make the game worse for everyone overnight

they just need to make doing slayer as intended actually worthwhile

[warm storm]

have you ever skipped for inferno tasks? revenant tasks? heart tasks? these are all things you do post-99 that rely on aya, and would be made way, way, WAY worse by being forced to go through standard slayer

[small anvil]

I'd be for like, better streak rewards, maybe scaling points by the slayer XP from the task, buff slayer cape

[tacit wharf]

so do yr more managable tasks then instead of insta-skipping

get more pts

skip the worse ones

continue

[warm storm]

i don't think you have done any of those things and are speaking from a perspective that misses much of the point of skipping

[tacit wharf]

it was never meant to hone in on one speciific tasks and ignore everything else

[meager flame]

that is the game we play though

so slayer points should be updated to reflect how it really works

[small anvil]

Jad speed running they're addressing with gm reward (feels kinda too high a req but idk)

Not jad, zuk lol

[meager flame]

i actually agree that i dont think any solutions for this stuff should be a reward

it should just be how the game works

you shouldn't need to be gm or whatever tier to attempt a speed run of anything

i think simply requiring a completion of the inferno first is probably the only requirement i'd put on it

[tacit wharf]

that seems a little too generous

would be ok with like 5 or so

[small anvil]

I think inferno is ok for just pick it cuz there's no gp involved

[meager flame]

i mean its not thats just people playing the inferno out for enjoyment

they dont get anything for doing it

[small anvil]

You don't want boss task infinitely selectable

Cuz then it's just slayer helm bis on all those bosses

[meager flame]

yeah just the inferno i actually think that a lot of other stuff

should probably just not even allow slayer helms to begin with

if i could go back in time it would probably have been banned from any type of speed content lol

[sacred skiff]

Would be really nice if we could buy rewards to increase task weights

[small anvil]

Then you just make turael boosting meta lmao

[sacred skiff]

Revenants being a 5 is criminal when you need that for literally a 5x drop rate increase

[meager flame]

ya i just wish you could customize your block list or buff weights and have that just be

how you wanted to play the game

instead of people needed to minmax a little bit too much

[rare grotto]

latter part is the most important thing

some tasks are just dogshit

[meager flame]

like if someone wants to go kill steel dragons for 2 hours just let them get 2 hours of points

[rare grotto]

i don't see y u would force them to do dogshit tasks

[tacit wharf]

so mange yr points better

[rare grotto]

that doesn't mean anything

[tacit wharf]

do the garg task so u dont gotta do the waterfiends

[rare grotto]

u'll still have to do dogshit tasks regardless

[small anvil]

I do think you should have to work for a single specific task, if you want one of idk, 5-6 tasks you should be able to just play normally and get one of them? Ideally

Would be the balance id want to aim for

[tacit wharf]

maybe a pick 1 of 2

though i feel that might be too good

[small anvil]

And I kinda agree on slayer helm should not have been included in times sorta thing

It just adds an annoying layer on things

Outside slayer only bosses obviously

[hard axle]

I hope they realize that nothing compares to Turael skipping because it is the equivalent of 1000 points per hour

it is 30+ skips an hour

[true talon]

Its because times are not looked at from a meaningful perspective, CA's are often excluded from slayer task bonuses for that reason. Slayer helm is just a perk of doing slayer, without it your just killing things normally that the guy you spoke to asked you to kill. it was mainly a means to help players pick slayer to train combat, however i feel the slayer helm is a very dated system and they should look to get rid of it. its caused nothing but problems when introducing set bonuses and other new age features.

But they also got this system in place for cosmetic slayer helms. not that i defend the slayer helm cosmetics as meaningful, since they are only wore when your doing slayer.

Slayer helm original purpose was to allow you to do stuff like banshee, abberants and other creatures who were slayer related, but had mechanics that needed nose peg, goggles, ear muffs. however that system has since been ignored with new slayer releases.

Top requests from a slayer rework.

1. slayer helm is gone (bonus is baked into just being on the task) they can make you need to sacrifice a black mask/slayer helm imbued to a slayer master to unlock this perk along with paying X points. this free's up the bonus from being gate kept to only accounts with 10 defense and allows everyone to get the bonus regardless of account status.

2. Drop table improvements to some of the higher ranking creatures. Dark beast and abyssal demons.

3. wildy and normal slayer has separate task list and point buyable perks. (this allows you to customize two sets of block lists and also unlock things that help you in wildy slayer)

4. All point unlocks can be toggled on an off for free. (makes no sense if i no longer want something, i cant turn it off or else i need to pay extreme amount of points)

5. Slayer cape gives you X number of pickable slayer tasks per day. (good enough for focusing on grinds you need to do, not unlimited as to be abused for best exp) Can even make it have a slayer point cost.

6. Something to deal with aya skipping (unsure of what can be done here)

[minor whale]

1 sucks lol
That's just a pointless buff to everyone for no good reason or lore reason

[small anvil]

Yeah 1 is awful lol

The problem with slayer helmet is not needing to wear it

It's too good

[hard axle]

Yeah, Tass's #1 is definitely not the way. It not only opens up set effects to be used, but also keeps the Slayer Helm perk.

It's just needless buffs and if Jagex forgets un-Slayer a boss, you suddenly do 15% more damage at a piece of content that wasn't meant to happen at.

[rare grotto]

that's just avg tassili baiting

[hard axle]

2 is fine, but it should be locked on-task like they've done for.

3 is 100% agreed and I'd take this a step further - different block list for each slayer master.

4 is whatever and 5 is absolutely not.

[rare grotto]

make up problems and invent stupid solutions to said problems

[tacit wharf]

honestly, come up with some decent solutions, maybe you can give it a try

[obsidian venture]

I'm almost positive he could without it being a strict buff

1 is completely game changing for a bad reason

[chrome lantern]

I’m not really a fan of task-locked drop rates with how much being on task already helps you but I get it for bots/farming drops

And I’m extremely not a fan of task-locked bosses and enemies

[warm storm]

i think adding more general slayer tasks like "demons" and "dragons" are on the roadmap and help alleviate a lot of these issues

[minor whale]

Yeah saying something is really bad doesn't mean you've got to come up with something better - the current iteration is already better than the suggestion
But that's not saying there aren't ways to improve it

[warm storm]

the suggestions nerfing aya into the ground are all based on the idea you care about slayer xp - which just isn't the case a lot of the time for people doing it

[rare grotto]

no point in coming up with solutions to problems that aren't real

[thick beacon]

feel like this change alone is already massive creep so id like to see how things play out before we contnue with even more changes

[rare grotto]

he's complaining about skipping cause people can use it to be efficient

like what

[stuck mauve]

the only solution is to rename this channel to tob-tactics

[rare grotto]

they're addressing inferno/caves speedrunning alr so i don't see an issue

[stuck mauve]

that is true

[rare grotto]

also locking it behind GM so gotta work for it

[tawny tide]

Idk slayer helm ruins set effects but I guess that really is just because it’s so good

[earnest marsh]

yee true, i wonder what they will do

maybe adding some unlocks that can can pay 300slayer points for increased imbued heart drop chance on supiror

so much they can do

powercreep for kinda annoying skill is good right?

[thick beacon]

i love slayer on an iron already its one of my favrioute skills

just a really hard skill without proper routing and understanding of blocklist/wieghtings/how to tie that into your own goals

think them mergining tasks and opening another 2-3 blocklists is huge already

[tawny tide]

Yeah having one dragons task is exciting

[earnest marsh]

ye, but 70 bronze dragons is like jstu whyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[earnest marsh]

the only thing i really like with slayer, is the progression

there some other good stuff

[tacit wharf]

would it be one dragon task or would it be metal dragons and then green/red/black dragons

[earnest marsh]

mining is like, yep im 70 mining, and already unlocked everything other then amethyst

and amethys so sheet

[earnest marsh]

we dont know

its just guessing game

[tacit wharf]

amethys is an afkers dream grind

[earnest marsh]

game tells everyone to use rune arrows over amethys, as everything drops it

but i guess people love afk vs just doing bosses

[tacit wharf]

just afk enough to watch a show

[tawny tide]

Probably that

[earnest marsh]

eclipse feels so sheet man

why would anyone go for it

[tawny tide]

Bruv

[median galleon]

Hey guys is the Toa changes update today/tonight ?

[small anvil]

No reason to think it's not in 1.5 days

When updates usually happen

[median galleon]

Okay cool hopefully it is

[stuck mauve]

prayge

[earnest marsh]

wish slayer rework was first

im so exicted

and skilling changes

sullicups buff? runecrafting buff?

[narrow folio]

Nah more nerfs 😭

[gloomy ermine]

Has the update landed yet or is it happening in the AM?

[serene turret]

With the summer sweep changes coming, do we have to get speed combat achievement tasks back, or will they stay completed if you’ve done them, any insight?

[tacit wharf]

today isnt Wednesday

[wise flower]

I thought the big update was on the 23 and sailing beta was the 26?

[jovial sentinel]

Patience.

[hard axle]

Yep and then making multiple tiers of dragon extension perks since we have mith, black, red, green, etc.

maybe even perks that further increase damage on-task

sky's the limit

[stuck mauve]

or is it

[hard axle]

tier 1 - 100 dragons and then +20 every tier

would be nice if KBD on-task was more than 50 due to generic dragon tasks

[heavy knoll]

So picture this: each piece of Justiciar passively nullifies the two lowest possible damage hits. One piece = no 1 or 2. Two pieces = no 1–4. Full set = no 1–6. And yeah, it still keeps its current set bonus too.

This would give Justiciar a smooth niche as a go‑to tanky choice—without breaking PvM. It feels intuitive (“every piece = more guaranteed mitigation”), encourages mixing pieces, and could actually make it worth wearing.

Would love to hear thoughts—too strong? Just enough defense? Or does it step on the toes of pray‑tank gear? Let’s debate.

anyone??

[nocturne solstice]

Just hearing it and without doing an in-depth check. Depending on the content it either sounds broken or not useful at all.

Your suggestion feels like it primarily focuses on negating chip damage under 6 which for the most part is completely negligible or countered by just healing up after each encounter (like at royal titans using fountain or elidinis statue), just regular eating, or blood fury. In all other situations I don't know if it'll proc enough times to feel useful.

For the broken part, regular duke's ice slam has a max hit of 5 with prayer on so you'd just be making duke do zero dmg throughout the fight which is pretty OP.

[hard axle]

Justi has two main issues:

1. 70%+ of the old and existing has some damage source that Justi does not reduce because it's not a direct attack on the player. This includes ground-based attacks like Verzik P2 cabbages and "true damage" attacks like Verzik P3 bomb.

At the same time, you really don't want Justi to be required for any content because it means the boss is doing way too much chip damage.

You can fix this by actually letting Justi reduce all damage sources so it's the "newbie" armor that softens mistakes, or massive increasing the damage reduction and keeping the current damage reduction check in place (where it doesn't work on most damage sources).

2. DPS loss compared to other armor.

If you want to keep the semi-worthless damage reduction and not change it to impact all damage source, then you need to give it the Dinh's treatment where it becomes a hybrid of dps/tank.

This can be achieved by giving it +6/+4/+2 outright, or letting it be combined with Torva since Torva also lost a lot of its use cases and make Torva components (which would help irons not have to deal with dupe torva pieces at Nex anymore) to be a tankier/dps armor setup.

[wild rapids]

any updates when the new player suppoty is coming out

[slender vapor]

SoonTM

[viscid cipher]

Ents should have 100% fire weakness…

[pine acorn]

@winter hearth Goodmorning Mr Goblin

Will tomorrows update already include nerfs to the seeds and normal loot at TOA

Have a good day today

[dreamy fractal]

they confirmed already that TOA changes would be comming tomorrow. No reason to ping a mod for that lmao.

[mortal cave]

Where? I saw something about “summer sweep up combat changes coming this week” however that implies no loot changes? Guess we just wait but would be nice to know

[dreamy fractal]

https://i.imgur.com/zcLzzrn.png

"updating drop tables", and "Toa's part of next week"

[mortal cave]

Ty 🙂

[dreamy fractal]

fuck it even included drops

in the toa one too xd

[rare grotto]

gm toa enthousiasts.

[tiny epoch]

[thick beacon]

gona have to start learning dehydro raids

[obsidian venture]

Free

[fierce belfry]

Hope toa changes randomly also comes with the shadow kit that was made months ago

Unlikely though 🥴

[meager flame]

I feel like they've really been toeing the line with what counts as game news and what to ping people about between here and the sailing discord lol

As I'm typing that the sailing discord pings me to let me know about twitch emotes

Lmao

[craggy spindle]

I imagine that includes the new fang type gem?

[sacred skiff]

True, new emotes are like server news at best, which I have muted for a reason lol

Oh wait they’re twitch emotes, so not even

[meager flame]

they gotta get these guys the old couch setup

lmao

[jovial sentinel]

This is the reason people ignore news channels completely. Its so prevalent in game discords to just throw in advertisement constantly. Id rather osrs not turn to that as well.

I could do without any stream announcements. Announce them in regular news posts at the bottom or something.

[meager flame]

i mean them talking about stuff on stream is news right

telling me they have new emotes is not news

lmao idk i feel like its really easy

[frail bough]

so really you're upset because they didnt just make one news post then or what

cause they are both releted to eachother

[meager flame]

twitch emotes have nothing to do with the game

[frail bough]

but the sailing stream does

[jovial sentinel]

Sure, but its not really news enough to need its own post.

[frail bough]

so if they put the emotes as a "side" announcement in the same message

you would still be upset?

[meager flame]

yeah so they can announce a twitch stream talking about the game

[jovial sentinel]

On sailing discord 100%

[meager flame]

and no as long as there is actually something relevant being said they can include whatever alongside it

[frail bough]

so again, its because they did it in two messages

[meager flame]

yeah duh

[frail bough]

cause thats exactlyw hat they did

[meager flame]

but its not because its two messages

its because 50% of the messages are irrelevant

[frail bough]

okay so how do we go about making 100% of the messages relavent to you

and 80,000 other people

[meager flame]

if they had two messages that actually included something anyone would care about and related to the game

its cool

[jovial sentinel]

People dont like being advertised to, as well.

Which one is basically just that.

[meager flame]

its not complicated though

doesn't need explanation

[frail bough]

i mean separating out things based on individual preferences for 80,000 players is definitely not easy

so idk what you're talking about

honestly id rather they just combine them all in to one channel and people can ignore the things they don't want since that's what they do anyway

[meager flame]

nah this is some contrarian bs

its not hard

[frail bough]

its not

[meager flame]

no it is lol

[frail bough]

obviously it is if we have 3/3 people disagreeing on what should be done

literally 100% success rate at failing

[jovial sentinel]

Not really, i kind of agree with turk.

[frail bough]

and we have darknesse saying they want stuff separated out properly except dont want 80 different channels

which is exactly why we have multiple to begin with

[jovial sentinel]

The extra post is a more minor inconvenience.

[frail bough]

so not only do we not all agree, but people don't even know what they want

[jovial sentinel]

Huh

[meager flame]

i actually dont even think this discord did it that badly they just put it in the channel and didn't ping for that in particular

but ultimately its just not game news

[jovial sentinel]

Im starting to think this is gaslighting or something, and im too tired for that

[meager flame]

its just a general theme lately where you're in both discords get on have like 6 pings look at them

and like 2 of them are relevant and sometimes its like multiple pings back to back

for the same thing

[ember token]

making a post in #game-news about new twitch emotes was not necessary

[frail bough]

it wasn't just twitch emotes though, it was a pre-announcement for the stream

[jovial sentinel]

If it were a pre announcement, the actual announcement isnt really necessary.

[frail bough]

I'd definitely disagree. Having a "look forward to this soon" and "hey this is actually happening" is very common for any sort of event.

[jovial sentinel]

Only if you feel the need to treat your audience like they're easily distracted children.

[frail bough]

Or people with busy lives and jobs who decided they wanted to go do something while waiting...?

[jovial sentinel]

Or that desperate for the viewership that you need it, at the cost of annoying potentially more people.

And forgot? It cant have been that important to them, then.

[frail bough]

lol

[jovial sentinel]

Theres also the twitch announcement when they go live.

In twitch.

[meager flame]

i think it just depends

like if you ping me and say we're going live in an hour you probably don't have to like

[frail bough]

Again, perfectly normal for an event to have multiple reminders and trying to get the most amount of people to watch something that provides information on what to expect for a beta is very natural.

[meager flame]

remind me

if you announce it the day before or something though yeah sure

[jovial sentinel]

Normal doesnt mean correct, either.

[meager flame]

discord actually has a feature for this tough

though*

[frail bough]

This is true, but it usually does.

[meager flame]

thats how events with reminders works

they just dont use that

[jovial sentinel]

If you look up, i said its pretty normal for game discords to do all sort of cancer, like announcing a minecraft play along in a discord for another game in a different genre (although i didnt give an example before)

[meager flame]

they do for their live discussions with discord stages at least

[jovial sentinel]

It just means people start blocking news, and then you actually get to less people.

[meager flame]

i also think its a little weird to like have sub emotes for the official osrs channel

[hard axle]

If people get pissy about notifications and turn it off, that’s on them

[meager flame]

well its kinda on jagex

[jovial sentinel]

Sure, but i want to be notified of actual news

[hard axle]

If you put in separate channel and don’t ping, most people won’t find out anyway

[meager flame]

they're not making those posts because they have a duty to tell people

they're advertising their game

similarly thats why its kinda weird to have sub emotes so people can subscribe and pay for... advertisement? idk

granted if people sub to channels like that

nobody can help them

[jovial sentinel]

My SO actually has a few people sub to her just to use her emotes.

She hasnt streamed in years.

[meager flame]

ya you can lure in whales with just about anything

but

at least you can use them for free and they do mention that

[winter hearth]

About to clock out but fwiw they get put onto 7tv/BTTV as well, streamers in the category should be able to just enable them on their channel if they like

[meager flame]

yeah lol speak of the devil actually

[winter hearth]

Typed 'about to clock out' because I sensed I would get sucked into a question that wants a super long discussion, fire away

[winter hearth]

Oh wait you meant this, that works too!

[warm epoch]

Hey Goblin have you got time for a 40 page essay question real quick

[winter hearth]

Not today I don't!

[jovial sentinel]

Yeah, need to know everything

[warm epoch]

Dang I'll ask again next time

[timid sleet]

Hey @winter hearth can the pride event be released tomorrow please

Gielinor should be a safe space

[meager flame]

in positive news/feedback though the streams are always great when you actually get people in person to talk about stuff

i kinda miss when that happened like every week

[wispy current]

Pinging a mod when he just said hes clocking out

[tacit wharf]

what do u mean Gielinor is a safe space, many a hardcore have died to muggers daily

[meager flame]

plus its honestly just mean to throw that stuff at them

they're obviously not in charge of the pride event

people know what they're doing lol

[sacred oracle]

he can clock out at Jagex but he can't clock out of my heart

[austere mulch]

Sailing combat giving sailing xp instead of xp in a combat skill, or mix of combat and sailing, is weird to me.

Basically becomes another combat skill that… doesn’t impact your combat level

Especially considering things like slayer, higher level combat encounters, integration with the other combat styles etc

[ember token]

i get the impression that the xp is not balanced yet given that it gave only 1 sailing xp per hit

[austere mulch]

Think someone said previously that devs confirmed sailing combat will give sailing xp, just bringing it back up since the stream was showcasing some basic combat mechanics

[stuck mauve]

pvp sailing real?

[tacit wharf]

not at launch

[austere mulch]

Maybe for saupper though

ba dum tiss

[minor whale]

Sailing combat giving sailing XP just means it's an open skill for pures

Which is fine

[austere mulch]

Wym open skill

I mean more in the sense that - imagine there’s a higher level sailing combat encounter that’s the equiv of like… vard

Will this combat be equally viable at combat level 3 as it would be at combat level 126 if it scales solely off sailing? And if so, is that the intended design

Would be like killing Cerberus with woodcutting

[tacit wharf]

i mean could also be cmb req's to build/operate cannons

[austere mulch]

Yeah that’s true

Not saying it’s good or bad anyways, just something of note

[minor whale]

If there's a boss that scales with sailing skill it'd be no difference from WT or Tempoross tbh

[austere mulch]

Personally, I think split xp makes the most sense

[austere mulch]

Except that, assuming slayer tasks exists for things like sharks, you would have access to that as well

Could also make max hits scale off combined sailing + combat stats

Ways to go about it, but I think it’s something worth talking about

Esp since they hinted at raid level content hopefully to be future dated

Skilling raid would be good memes

[tacit wharf]

they hinted at, today as well, that maybe having different combat styles for cannons/ship weapons

[austere mulch]

Emp cannon for magic would be kinda based lol

[tacit wharf]

little hand cannons mounted to the rails on bigger ships for light range

[ember token]

harpoons for light range

[meager flame]

I mean its probably not split exp for a reason but

That does make sailing a combat skill

Which I'm fine with idc if you have to level up sailing to kill bosses

Some people will probably cry about it though

[hasty shard]

i think like ramming a ship into something is different enough

[meager flame]

Im not sure if I even think complaints about that are even valid like

[hasty shard]

also hot take why should cannons give ranged xp
as in, why does the cannon give ranged xp currently its fucking automatic

[meager flame]

It really boils down to people wanting to fight stuff without leveling up to fight stuff

Like when people are upset that hey maybe they do need to have a certain mining level to do a mining puzzle as fast as they could

Or an herb level to make the best potions in a raid

So like if in the future you fight something with a boat and they expect you to have like 99 sailing to do the absolute most

Thats fair and they probably should tell people to kick rocks lol if they don't like leveling up the skill

[hasty shard]

im kind of expecting boat pvm to suck ass

[meager flame]

It looks like cannons on auto fire and you drive around surviving the encounter

[tacit wharf]

i do wish they'd tell people this more when certain complaints are said

[meager flame]

Until your cannons kill the npc

They just need to make sure they aren't catering to people who don't want to play the game

It happens in a lot of games where people might like one part of it so they want to basically purge everything else from being relevant to their chosen activity

So they can exclusively do the one thing they do like

And it makes everything else pointless

[earnest marsh]

Wait

Sailing will kill monsters, have tons of map addition, new trees, new fish, new everything

Even maybe raid

And wooductting has like some few trees?

Kekw

AHH I forgot, we get map expension with sailing minigame

Mbmb

[tacit wharf]

so let me get this straight, yr just upset cuz you think sailing is being added because you think its a mini-game and that you dislikes its complexity compared to wc?

[vivid ruin]

Tbf, fletching/wc/firemaking can be 1 skill

[lilac void]

The kind of people that don't like change and can't articulate it try to say sailing is a minigame. Like really, "minigame" is such a broad definition you could classify anything as a minigame

[frail bough]

What is runescape but a minigame in life

[wide isle]

So true

So deep

Hope they release the wheel of fortune again soon

😂

[hushed flame]

Is the TOA changes live?

[stuck mauve]

no

tomorrow

[signal kernel]

I guess forestry was Woodcutting's big update

[hushed flame]

Okay thank you, couldn't seem to find the time listed

[earnest marsh]

i mean, i love the map expension

and all the addition

but at this point, i wouldnt call it sailing aymore

[tacit wharf]

but u need map expansion for water so u can sail

[earnest marsh]

its like saying fossil isalnd

should been sailing

[tacit wharf]

dont follow

its a single island

cant sail boat to and from

[earnest marsh]

what

you litterly sail to it first time you get there

[tacit wharf]

that aint real sailing

[earnest marsh]

whats real sailing?

what jagex says ??

[tacit wharf]

thats genaric sailing

sailing at home

[earnest marsh]

i honestly like the sailing in fossil island quest more then

the beta

[frail bough]

LOL

[ember token]

lol

[tacit wharf]

[earnest marsh]

if you could freeroam that is

[ember token]

le epic contrarian

[tawny tide]

What is going on in here lmao

[mint crown]

Anyone have any info on what portion of TOA updates will be part of the first wave of summer sweep up that's supposed to be happening soon? Looked around but couldn't find anything super clear, not sure if I missed anything

[tacit wharf]

should be all by the sounds of it

[vivid ruin]

We'll definitely find out...

Tomorrow

[mint crown]

OH lol I didn't realize it was this week, thanks

[earnest marsh]

tomrow ye

get ready for rollback

[mint crown]

oh ye of little faith lol

[tacit wharf]

naw, dont think they'll do anything rollback worthy unless they start shittin out purples or something

[mint crown]

yeeee

[tacit wharf]

real question is, how many uim death piles get deleted

[mint crown]

hopefully mine so I can escape

[rare grotto]

when's the update exactly tomorrow

like igt

[ember token]

same time as always

[rare grotto]

and that is

[hard axle]

11 hours?

[minor whale]

What timezone are you

Yeah around 11 hours

Give or take if there's downtime

[viscid cipher]

So tomorrow they gonna post first part of sweep up?

[lethal sable]

in about 5 hrs

[magic patio]

Tired of the greed

So i get yall are makeng a ton more money to pay for your endevours to expand the game. Great work on some added content. (Kinda getting next op weapon or op anything.. for members... only...) and feeling pretty, how should i say it... whats the next scam on the game we have to afford.... ) many of your repeat players are just people who are after the grind and high off the crazy drop.. Im guilty of doing nothing but playing for a week straight. This is a game that is openly admitted to be the longest game to complete already in general, time comparison anyways... its a grind to play. But why do we need to pay for nearly 2 new different video games fresh on the shelf... a year... to play... one account....and thats assuming you pay for a single full year membership.. (this aside f u for cost to play the game...) why are we charged so greedily to play... You gave us a new system to ultimatly comine our accounts for extra bank spaces.... why da fuqwill this cost only cover one membership for one account even though you wanted us to make a secular account.. Should a membership not cover all accounts linked together?!?! . Give back as hard as those stremers that throw a bank most players cant dream of just to do it..how many times have billions been dumped for "content" and you cant spare 10... g...p... we have been giving. And giving. And giving. To simply enjoy a childhood game in many or most cases. And you have only shouted MORE! MOORE!! F U MOOOORE!!! This needs to end... rather abruptly is prefered for the sake of all players. Even some consideration to those who have come this far with your greed deserve some kind of good faith something or more even...

The price of lumber has gone up less in comparrison than the cost to play this game. And lumber prices made world news...

[dreamy fractal]

just use a bond lol

[slender vapor]

I'm happy for you, or that sucks.

Not reading that wall of text with no formatting though

[winged mantle]

They want membership to cover all accounts under their jagex launcher

[umbral summit]

skill issue

[kind flare]

Is toa update today??

[dire mango]

yes

[woven marlin]

im so excited for the update

fuckin love osrs devs

[bold kayak]

Such major changes though, I wonder what its gonna break

[woven marlin]

twinflame is gonna be so good everywhere

i have DK's slayer task im waiting on now lol

[kind flare]

I hope not, if they fumble this one ill be so sad, im takin work off to pot toas all day😭

[bold kayak]

Watch it will be something silly ToA will work fine, but they will end up making chisels unusable

[woven marlin]

ill be by the farming guild bush guys ill check for the tbow

[kind flare]

Yup then ill get a shadow as they rollback the game by an hour💀

[spice tinsel]

Where's the sailing beta stream

All I can find on announcement link is pride parade crap.

But the link says sailing 🤷

[nocturne solstice]

It ended ages ago, are you asking for a recording?

[nocturne solstice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH5lD5fYXOE

yes that says "is LIVE!" and the post was made over 10 hours ago

[spice tinsel]

Yeah except there's no recording on that twitch link

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah so I asked if you wanted a recording. I've given you a link to the recording now.

[spice tinsel]

The post is older it's just weird that the announcement doesn't provide a recording after the fact.

Ty for the link

[nocturne solstice]

👍

[spice tinsel]

Noot noot

Ouch sailing looks painful

[rare grotto]

tombs of amascut

[final frigate]

[toxic smelt]

no update todaay?(toa)

[woven marlin]

OHMYGOD

[trim lotus]

woop

[candid flume]

how long will the update be?

[onyx forum]

trying to find that myself lmfao

[shadow wave]

"But won't my mushrooms and potions despawn after each kill?" you ask. "No!" we respond, you'll be able to hold on to them between kills, which means that depending on your Herblore level you can prep for 3, 4 or 4 kills at once if you've got Level 62, 72 or 82 Herblore respectively.

Shouldn't that be 3, 4 or 5?

[restive siren]

Probably

[winged mantle]

does this mean you can prep more than 4 kills worth at 82 herb?

[restive siren]

Seems so

[sacred oracle]

So we've added a new spell, Monster Inspect, to the Standard Spellbook. Monster Inspect requires Level 42 Magic and displays slightly less information than the Lunar Spell 'Monster Examine'. This means that it's perfect for a quick look at elemental weaknesses, defensive and offensive stats, but won't show some or the more 'niche' bits like Freeze threshold. Handy for learning what you need to in a pinch, provided you have 2 Cosmic and 2 Mind Runes on-hand.
my spellbook is getting reordered for this why?

good thing we have reordering now!

[winter hearth]

Should just be 4, think that's an error from editing, numbers should be 2, 3 or 4

[sacred oracle]

hi goblin

[grave blade]

Goblin deez

[restive siren]

So cap is still 4? Unluckge

[sacred oracle]

oh, i'm in #game-update, i was wondering what goblin was doing here

[simple egret]

Better than today 🤣

[restive siren]

Fs

[rare grotto]

hi goblin, just curious if u had any data on live/proposed shadow rates for raids above 500

particularly 545/550 range

[deft barn]

@winter hearth the notes say ralos new range is 7 and 9, i thought it was 5,7 right now and its getting a +1 range?

Also any news on Soul Wars crates getting removed?

[sacred oracle]

Obor and Bryophyta can drop their own respective keys.

To compensate, each of them now has a reduced, simple loot table. It’s similar to regular giants’ with a chance for Giant Bones (members only) and an increased chance for their keys.

do we know what that increased rate is? i don't see it mentioned anywhere

[winter hearth]

I do, but don't have it to-hand and am just focused on update for today

[winter hearth]

Crates still getting removed

[sacred oracle]

i'm wondering if killing the bosses themselves will now be meta for getting their respective keys instead of cannoning giants in various locations

[ember token]

it probably will be if they didnt adjust the key rate to account for being able to kill them freely

[deft barn]

Ok great, and ralos range will be 6/8 now right?

[winter hearth]

Yeah should be, it's what I wrote initially - no idea why that's changed

[sacred oracle]

currently it's 1/16 to get key from boss, so yeah, that would be faster than cannoning i think

[deft barn]

👍

[sacred oracle]

i'll try it out right after update and find out

funny that killing them without using key on chest doesn't count for hiscores

[lethal nexus]

How long the update?

[sacred oracle]

looks like that was explicitly added to protect the current hiscore havers' positions

[remote flint]

Any ideas when the Rev Emblem Break down update will be coming? It’s been weeks 😦

[heavy ledge]

@winter hearth the spreadsheet linked under the "loot table changes" of the changelog is the weaknesses spreadsheet, not the changes

[simple egret]

Will the speed times be adjusted goblin with this?

[winter hearth]

Unsure, hoping soon, but this week kinda steamrolled everything else

[winter hearth]

It's in the blog, yes

[simple egret]

Thanks

[winter hearth]

Should have been fixed, try refreshing

[winged mantle]

nice

[deft barn]

Awesome, think that may be missing from the blog

[remote flint]

Please soon 🙏 My Iron needs ether 😂😂😂

[sacred oracle]

The Slepey Tablet now drops at a rate of 1/25, and will be guaranteed on your 25th kill (or next kill after logging in if you've already got more than 25 killcount) if you've not already obtained one.
banger

[heavy ledge]

worked thanks

are soul wars crates being nerfed today?

[simple egret]

Goblin said crates are being removed yes above

[heavy ledge]

oh my b ty

[last onyx]

What happened to the bone dagger spec at entry for Kephri?

[winter hearth]

yes

[winter hearth]

Not fixable

[frozen prawn]

is the additional 50% thrall duration going down to elite CA's or just removed completely

[rare grotto]

regarding baboon waves, i'm assuming it's the first two waves that got removed? can u confirm

[ember token]

replaced with 100% duration

[split beacon]

anyone know how long servers are down for roughly?

[sacred oracle]

this update is jam packed with bangers

On death against Phosani's Nightmare, you'll respawn just outside of the instance rather than at your default respawn location.

[ember token]

kinda repeated some lines here

[gleaming horizon]

@winter hearth do we know if halberds hitting flying enemies includes GG’s Dawn?

[sacred oracle]

there's so many changes to content

there's so much content i want to do now to test out changes

even nex

[minor whale]

Dawn could me meleed with anything, just didn't hit

I doubt she'll be able to be meleed

[unborn flame]

how longs the update?

[sacred oracle]

Damaging Blood Reavers will heal you for 75% of the damage dealt.
this is very interesting to me

[heavy ledge]

I hate to complain before the update even drops, but a thought I had about the crates is to have them work like Wintertodt, where they drop based on relevant levels

Just wanted to say that while we have your attention

[winter hearth]

Todt is not solely dictated by players, apples to oranges in the eyes of the team

[last onyx]

Is it possible to reduce Kephris slash defense, base defense, remove 1 phase or something similar to make the fight a little bit faster? It’s about 6mins and so long. Specially in solo if BD misses p1 and BD hits low in P2/P3

[sacred oracle]

hasn't toa been nerfed enough

[rare grotto]

also goblin there's no mention of kephri's proposed changes in this blog. Is this a mistake or

[winter hearth]

Not for the time being no, not looking to double down on another kneejerk change and make TOA even quicker, suspect it'll speed up quicker than people are anticipating as-is

[winter hearth]

So much stuff has disappeared, bear with me

[candid flume]

how long will the update last?

[hoary ginkgo]

Are spoils of war nerfed?

[sacred oracle]

Key Master Teleport scrolls now drop in batches of seven rather than three, so should be sustained if you're able to complete nine kills per trip. Additionally, they're now tradeable!
omg omg omg

[winter hearth]

Yes

[winter hearth]

No downtime afaik

[rare grotto]

👍 no rush we understand, sorry for overwhelming u with questions

[sacred oracle]

i am gonna buy such a fat stack of keymaster tps

[candid flume]

great

ty

[woven marlin]

what does Delta mean on the spreadsheet?

[sacred oracle]

actually i should sell my stack of keymaster tps right after update when people are buying them

i'll be rich — rich!

delta sums up the changes between existing and proposed

[woven marlin]

o

[sacred oracle]

you can look at it to see what's changing

[woven marlin]

hell yeah

[sacred oracle]

stuff that changes is in green

[woeful kettle]

this says the first batch, whats left after this, I think that covers everything mentioned before but I could be forgetting

[woven marlin]

twinflame about to go crazy