game-update

[minor whale]

Sorry please don't reference c*ncer that's a personal attack against those people who have rogue cells!

[jovial sentinel]

I dont want to start a witchunt and get banned, and would prefer to do so in private if thats ok

[noble vortex]

Please continue sending in modmails if there are issues within the server

[sacred cove]

A particular individual has been trolling this channel for two weeks. Almost everyone knows who it is.

[slender vapor]

It's the same exact person for 3 god damn weeks that comes in here arguing with everyone and derailing the chat to the point all the old regulars are refusing to interact here anymore

[obsidian venture]

Always modmail when you can!

[indigo tinsel]

Bring up the problem in a modmail, help us to see the light.

[obsidian venture]

Just need about 100+

nothing crazy

[sacred cove]

How do I do modmail?

[slender vapor]

People have already modmailed this and nothings been done

[obsidian venture]

!modmail

!r

where's the command

[minor whale]

Problem with the server? On the contrary, I think everything is tip top! I'm being a positive contributor by not getting you guys any unnecessary modmails!

[obsidian venture]

this is not good!

[noble vortex]

@steel bobcat dm this

[obsidian venture]

there we go

THANKS

[noble vortex]

[frail bough]

I think that the server would stand to benefit from the reporting feedback like jagex implemented recently

[obsidian venture]

Can you elaborate?

[indigo tinsel]

The more reports the better.

[noble vortex]

[indigo tinsel]

Rather 50 modmails than 0

[noble vortex]

100%

[obsidian venture]

AHHH

Is it ok to diss myself? @noble vortex

[frail bough]

How many has everyone sent

[noble vortex]

Wouldn’t encourage self negative talk 😦

[obsidian venture]

That would intrude on my freedoms no?

especially if against myself

in jest ofc

hahahaha

[noble vortex]

I wouldnt wanna see anyone talk bad about themselves

[frail bough]

Wait bane is 100% genuine rn

[obsidian venture]

What do you mean?

I'm always genuine

[slender vapor]

Gotta love how the chat mods come here to troll people instead of actually addressing the problem

[obsidian venture]

WHOA bad word spotted

[noble vortex]

Please elaborate that in a modmail?

[obsidian venture]

hahahaha

[minor whale]

Ah you see, they're able to clear normal Vardorvis in leagues and that means they're an expert in the subject! They should just jump in to awakened, this is a moderate step up from their early game account (140 Colo kc only)

[frail bough]

Its k , id rather them than the other one

They aren't here 247

[noble vortex]

Lol…if our presence in the chat is an issue then report it.

[slender vapor]

If you aren't going to take feedback here, i have 0% hope you'll take any feedback in a modmail

[sacred cove]

I threw my hat into the modmail ring, I hope this problem gets b̶l̶o̶c̶k̶e̶d̶ resolved.

[slender vapor]

Just like last time i sent one in

[obsidian venture]

gotta send 50 more

[jovial sentinel]

Thats not really the best exampleof the problem, but take that about every few minutes for hours and thats yhe gist

[obsidian venture]

otherwise useless

[minor whale]

If there was a problem, I'm sure it'll be solved!
But I doubt there is one!

[obsidian venture]

So I think they're saying we can spam modmail

get the ctrl v ready

[noble vortex]

We rather you use modmail than not use it

[limber briar]

After hearing from multiple people saying they've modmailed about said issues i have no faith in the discord mods here.

[obsidian venture]

If you don't have faith, you should modmail that too!

[noble vortex]

Fax

[jovial sentinel]

At this stage, wouldnt be surprised if they were in on it

[plush gull]

pyro do u actually think my whole account is an alt to troll with, im being serious

[frail bough]

Ren is actual just sennys alt

[obsidian venture]

I love talking like a freak and I'm sure everyone here loves the positivity reeking from it

[noble vortex]

Not sure how you came to that but if you think so please report it.

[minor whale]

Sorry, I can't reply to this because it has a no-no word in it and I wouldn't want it to be construed as a personal attack!

[obsidian venture]

[sacred cove]

This individual has been an issue to the point of potentially driving away customers. Surely the mods want Jagex to make money.

[obsidian venture]

It's only a few $ lost and that's ok

pennies as you will

[minor whale]

It's certainly made me want to use OSRScord less, and I survived Clams and all his alts!

[frail bough]

Don't feel the need to respond to everything, it was very obvious humor

[tacit wharf]

dw they'd just drive up osrs membership a little more

[minor whale]

But I'm certain that it's the chat regulars who are wrong and our judgement is not worthwhile. We should instead just be positive!

[plush gull]

apparently ive driven away customers from jagex by sharing my opinions on contracts

a natural result of designing video game fights just to not let their players fight them

[minor whale]

Instead of calling out something obvious to anyone who uses the channel for more than 20 minutes, we need to all join hands and sing kumbaya

[jovial sentinel]

Its not like many people have stressed that the channel isnt really a grwat place to be atm or anything

[slender vapor]

Good thing the chat mods aren't going to moderate this chat and just let the same person keep making it get worse

[limber briar]

Ren has convinced me I need to charge back my jagex membership. This game is too about rich players!

[noble vortex]

So why haven’t we thought to use discords built in block function?

[obsidian venture]

See, you would expect the o f f i c i a l server to warrant proper and true information to be discussed and not derailed. But of course, no one is ever dumb (this is said in general, and I did look it up prior and it's not a slur!) and so we have this moments consistently plauging these channels. It would improve the quality of these chats if we didn't but why should we care for that!

[tacit wharf]

cuz its shit

[jovial sentinel]

Because thats not a solution

[tacit wharf]

and doesnt solve the problem

[plush gull]

jagex would gain alot more customers if they took my feedback on updates, there are thousands of newish players like me who prefer difficult content

[jovial sentinel]

When half the people arnt the same people that have blocked

Then.. oh no, we only get half a convo

[slender vapor]

It doesn't help

[jovial sentinel]

And wait, the rest also get baitef

[chrome lantern]

In my experience, blocking someone doesn't really do anything for me

[jovial sentinel]

And we need to unblock to help or somethijg and submit

Or... leave the convo

Sounda fun

[chrome lantern]

Because I still see all the other messages and end up clicking the "show message" button anyway

[jovial sentinel]

Good solution

[noble vortex]

[chrome lantern]

It just makes it even more annoying to see their messages

[frail bough]

how can we correct the copious amounts of incorrect information

[jovial sentinel]

Blocking only works short term

[frail bough]

or wait, is it ac tually incorrect tho

[jovial sentinel]

And its great for that

[obsidian venture]

Suggesting to discord block is poor advice unfortunately!
De-railing and switching subjects is another.
Surely there's a 3rd way...

[minor whale]

Yes, if we all block problematic people instead of asking the mods to take action, then surely this channel would be saved!
As long as we ignore the terrible advice being given by some people, which new players (and thus the people who haven't blocked anyone problematic!) would be the only ones to see, that'd be very beneficial to the player base!

[jovial sentinel]

Its been over a week now.

[frail bough]

its been since may 9th

no1 counting though

[limber briar]

We should all be doing colo with dragon crossbow and gold sara sword!

[sacred cove]

It still shows the messages as ignored, and then the conversations don't make sense, because this individual inserts themselves into every conversation so this channel becomes unusable

[plush gull]

what advice do u think is terrible and why?

[obsidian venture]

Wait are you saying that a NEW person wouldn't have the person pre-blocked and that they might see bad and fake info???

OMG

Wouldn't that be a problem...

[frail bough]

wait

[minor whale]

I personally think that when 95% of people who use the channel on a daily basis can recognize something, something should probably be done!
But I'm not a mod and thus am not in charge of such things!
There has never been a problematic new chatter EVER!

[obsidian venture]

Omg wait?! It is! HAHA

[frail bough]

if we all blocked eachother it would be fine

[minor whale]

Holy hell

You're on to something

[frail bough]

ive solved it!

[obsidian venture]

Heaven*

[noble vortex]

I see

[slender vapor]

Any excuse not to do their job i guess

[small anvil]

oh... we're not allowed to use that word now

[tacit wharf]

if only there were a rank or something that is suppose to be there to prevent these kinds of disturbances to begin with

[small anvil]

the thing people were accusing that doritos guy of

[minor whale]

I think new players seeing terrible information that can't be corrected due to us having blocked the person giving out that information is an excellent way for the channel to run!

[winged mantle]

I placed my modmail

[sacred cove]

Senny I think instead of suggesting ways we fix the problem, you should just fix the problem. Do you have that power?

[frail bough]

Still curious how many people have actually submitted

[minor whale]

Good luck Ellie Jae! I have faith that all will be well now!

[frail bough]

cause ive done two, both just so happened a mod showed up

which leads me to believe somoen else did too but idk who

[obsidian venture]

Glad you've asked! I've sent 4-5

[plush gull]

imo my opinions are more valuable to new players cuz im a new player myself

its crazy that just doing colo and wanting to try contracts on release as a 123 combat player is enough for 100s of people to go insane like this lol

[small anvil]

funny how often a mod shows up and tells "both sides" to calm down

rather than reading the context

[obsidian venture]

NICE

Context isn't important in this discord

[minor whale]

Well the first time I complained about a specific person I was told they're being genuine, so I think they must be!

[obsidian venture]

You should know that by now

[frail bough]

Can anyone let me know if im supposed to modmail the latest blocked messages

[obsidian venture]

Even a j-mod said it

I still have the screenshot of it

[minor whale]

You are in the early game after all, 140 colo kc means you might be ready to move on to Scurrius maybe?

[jovial sentinel]

Forward that to me please

[plush gull]

i did scurrius and moons CAs before colo

[obsidian venture]

Onto bloodvelds

[minor whale]

I think going from Colosseum (completeable on a level 8 as said by Ren) to something a bit tougher like Perilous Moons might be a good step up in difficulty!

[plush gull]

but ur actually right 🤔 i need 99 def and scurrius might be more xp than colo

[tacit wharf]

if only some slayer mixed in for those ancient shards would be a way to also increase yr def

if only

[winged mantle]

Reminds me of this meme but backwards

When scurrius came out

[sacred cove]

I'm really enjoying your positivity Pyroseph.

[noble vortex]

[winged mantle]

Pyroseph the goat

[obsidian venture]

My hero!

[slender vapor]

I'm positive chat mods will do their best to stop the troll!

We just need the power of friendship!

[obsidian venture]

Stop the good information person*

[jovial sentinel]

Watch out, someone has been banned for pointing out the obvious

[obsidian venture]

We love false info in oscord

Should spread that more

Why should endgame folks help anyone

waste of time when you can make stuff up to argue 🔥

[ember token]

it is my personal opinion that Ren is intentionally baiting at this point, saying the same things over and over to prompt reactions out of people #game-update message

[frail bough]

back in my day, when i saw someone with a 99 cooking cape, i expected to be ignored.

[obsidian venture]

and not face any repurcussions

[tacit wharf]

but let me ask you this: how does a troll know they are a troll if no one tells the troll that they are a troll?

[obsidian venture]

Please use the modmail mr pillar of light

[slender vapor]

Everyone who frequents this channel knows they're a troll

[limber briar]

But if you tell the troll they're a troll they block you

[slender vapor]

Apparently mods dont read this chat often

[obsidian venture]

no no!

Bad words stop! I'm melting

in 2025

It's hurting the positive aura that @minor whale and I helped to cultivate

[slender vapor]

[plush gull]

thats literally the first time ive mentioned boosting

i do repeat some points about contracts tho

specifically harmony contract bad cuz u cant do the fight for fun (or death charge) without 5m per entry, and death charge tradeable

also delete contracts and orbs

[jovial sentinel]

And also after it being pointed out, dont look at chat history, thats too difficult

[limber briar]

Is it just me or does said person have worst takes than most redditors?

[jovial sentinel]

Intentionally bad takes

[plush gull]

like 5m to fight a unique boss fight for fun is insane, 10x worse than orbs

[jovial sentinel]

To get a reaction

Thats the whole point.

[obsidian venture]

Context does not matter in this discord! It's a hidden rule though

[limber briar]

If you can't afford 5m its not meant for you.

[frail bough]

and here #game-update message

and here #game-update message

and here #game-update message

and here #game-update message

[limber briar]

Stop your pointing out stuff the mods didn't see/ignored in modmail!

You're gonna get banned!

[obsidian venture]

Insane Comment!

[slender vapor]

"Our mods cant read context"

[obsidian venture]

WOW

[slender vapor]

That explains how moderation is handled

[obsidian venture]

is that GOOD

[minor whale]

Thank you for your kind words! Together we can make this discord a more friendly place where anyone, regardless of their ignorance of the game, can all provide advice, no matter how bad it is!

[frail bough]

and here #game-update message

[obsidian venture]

We love misinformation

[plush gull]

can yall like actually take this to modmail and stop derailing my discussions about updates

like at this point just go to #1022203933600514138 and make a witchhunt thread or something, this is literally hundreds of messages of spam even when I don't talk

[obsidian venture]

I think it would do good to not help others

Why does it matter anyway when folks don’t care!

[ember token]

why not make a game suggestions post about what you want to see changed?

[obsidian venture]

Even a community ambassador of this lovely server is finding an issue!

[ember token]

rather than posting here in a channel with people who disagree with everything you say

[plush gull]

i think there already was 1 that i upvoted but ur right, i will later today about harmony contracts specifically

[obsidian venture]

Disagreeing is ok!

I talked to a chat mod earlier

And they said it’s fine

[plush gull]

and the funny thing is, I think everyone in this channel agrees with me about contracts

[obsidian venture]

So dunno why you folks wouldn’t want to see that

[plush gull]

idk what their problem is

[frail bough]

its that you bring it up every 20 minutes

[obsidian venture]

You should want to engage with folks that you disagree with

It’s healthy!

[frail bough]

with no actual value, ever

[obsidian venture]

Because both sides are SMART

[tacit wharf]

"smart"

[plush gull]

ive gone entire days without talking recently 🤷‍♀️ literally false

[obsidian venture]

If no one is wrong, then we are all smart

Hope this helps

[tacit wharf]

[frail bough]

literally

[austere mulch]

Utopia if the community in mass ever actually realize this

[obsidian venture]

[limber briar]

We should all charge back our membership till they "fix" contracts!

[frail bough]

Sold.

[obsidian venture]

We should also charge back to fix our brains

hahahaha kidding

we are smart after all

[minor whale]

Please no self negativity

[obsidian venture]

SOWWY

[minor whale]

This is an upbeat and positive channel ONLY

[tacit wharf]

plz stop suppressing our feelings

[minor whale]

Frankly I'm ashamed at the negativity in here when I had to leave for a moment to give my baby a bath

[tacit wharf]

that is very unhealthy

[small anvil]

if somehow your take from this is that everyone agrees with you, ren ren....

[ember token]

on the other side here, I get your viewpoints but I’m gonna guess that Bane and Pyro probably aren’t helping here

[small anvil]

Well, the internet has all sorts

[obsidian venture]

That's very negative?

[ember token]

true

[plush gull]

no im serious, everyone complaining about me except for mr mejia has echoed similar opinions about contracts

[obsidian venture]

I've been helping since forever

[winged mantle]

People have made suggestion threads about the contracts

How to improve them

How to fix

[jovial sentinel]

I dont remember making comments similar to that opinion

[obsidian venture]

But instead of being correct (most of the time) and having more knowledge, We have to suck up and be extra positive because we wouldn't want to hurt someones feeling when they're wrong

[sacred cove]

Bane and Pyro are breathing life back into this channel

[tacit wharf]

i feel, people who complain about contracts just ahve a skill issue and nothing more

they need to push though these tough challenges and reach that skill ceiling

[obsidian venture]

isn't that right @minor whale

[obsidian venture]

Been doing the contracts, and they're not a good system!

p3 IS decent tho

[limber briar]

What do you mean said person has done 130+ colo they should be able to do everything in game!

[jovial sentinel]

We can agree that contracts arnt good, but disagree why though

[tacit wharf]

thats fine that u disagree, we will just agree to disagree

[frail bough]

As long as we can agree to charge back our membership

[ember token]

yeah it’s just not gonna get the mods on their side lol

[plush gull]

if not for voidflare death mechanic the skill ceiling for harmony would be doing it with less than a 5m bank

[jovial sentinel]

I dont think the mods were ever interested

[obsidian venture]

WHy not?

[small anvil]

and not have to entertain ridiculous it costs thousands of dollars to do the content comparisons

[obsidian venture]

Being positive is not food?

[limber briar]

How dare jagex have requirements for 100% guaranteed money drop

[tacit wharf]

that is a skill ceiling you have to overcome, thats ok that you arent at that level yet, you'll get there someday

[jovial sentinel]

They certainly arnt interested in talking about it in any way

[obsidian venture]

DO I need to suck up more?

Please do tell

[frail bough]

They aren't allowed to use context so how do they know if you're being genuine?

[minor whale]

I'm simply doing as they asked and being positive?
I got good feedback from Senny that he appreciated it!

[obsidian venture]

Calling someone out on their bullshit (forgive my language as this isn't aimed at anyone!) is apparently of no value here

[plush gull]

but why do i have 5m to play the boss

[obsidian venture]

OH

[plush gull]

have to pay*

[limber briar]

Supply and demand

[sacred cove]

This chat has been totally derailed, if the mods don't see the problem they aren't looking, Bane and Pyro are just making light of this silly situation lack of moderation has gotten us into

[tacit wharf]

i might even suggest some solo tob, to help you get more accustom to these difficult challenges

[ember token]

(i know)

[obsidian venture]

I would req to not be poor! Being poor is lame in 2025. Hope this helps!

[plush gull]

yeah thats part of why i wanna do a sra rebuild

[tacit wharf]

well then

[slender vapor]

If derailing this chat isn't an issue now, this is now ironman chat

[plush gull]

but i need double death charge and sra sucks at yama

[obsidian venture]

sra rebuild is bad!

wowowowow

[slender vapor]

All of you get the hell out of my room

[tacit wharf]

chop chop to some $$$$ making

[winged mantle]

Hell yeah

[frail bough]

no its not AND we are both right!

[limber briar]

I picked flax for my first bond! How dare you level 8s do colo!

[obsidian venture]

LETS GO

[sacred cove]

Hey I belong here I am an iron man, can't you read my name!

[winged mantle]

This could be a long con tho not an iron con

Afufufu

[sacred cove]

Sadly that name was taken

I tried

[winged mantle]

Dam

[sacred cove]

It got quiet

[jovial sentinel]

Its hard when theres a huge problem, everyone but one person gets it, and the mods dont care

Eventually people leave.

[sacred cove]

[jovial sentinel]

And the problem will likely follow us.

[minor whale]

Yeah can only keep up the charade of trying to spur action for so long!

Good work team I salute you all for your valiant efforts

[winged mantle]

I will be waiting for genuine discussion on future game updates myself 💜

[minor whale]

Me too! I hope the slayer round up blog drops this coming week

Will be good discussions

[vestal ruin]

I've seen a lot of baiting, sarcasm, and arguments that are completely drowning out any actual discussion about game updates.

If you’ve got a problem with someone, please message modmail instead of turning the channel into a dogpile. We will review and take action soon.

Please keep things on-topic and respectful from here on out.

[limber briar]

The real question is why is sensory so aids but the other 4/5 are so easy ☠️

[obsidian venture]

It's been only respectful!

[slender vapor]

Mod mail doesn't work

[winged mantle]

No idea, haven't done them yet tbh

[slender vapor]

Otherwise this problem would've been dealt with already

[obsidian venture]

I mod in wdr now and it only takes 1 modmail to get something going! Hope this helps!

[winged mantle]

I've lowkey stopped grinding for contracts on my iron for now. I don't really see it as a good time investment

[obsidian venture]

We hate spam modmails! Opposite of this discord

[slender vapor]

Can we hire you to work here too?

Actually get something done

[frail bough]

How very end-game of you. Gz on white oathplate

[obsidian venture]

I'd do unspeakable things to myself if I modded here

as in watch teletubbies

it's bad!

[jovial sentinel]

Modmail feels like a way for us to be quiet and hope the problen goes away, while they do nothing.

[frail bough]

Thats what im sayin, we need feedback system

give mods more work to prove themselves!

[obsidian venture]

Critique positivity? That's no fun

[tacit wharf]

at this rate, might as well just email my congressman

[obsidian venture]

THATS

[slender vapor]

I hear emailing the congressmen get stuff done!!

[frail bough]

Any bets on updates next wednesday?

[jovial sentinel]

Calling them does something

Just not what you want

[obsidian venture]

clues!

[frail bough]

i keep forgetting about the clues!

[obsidian venture]

yay

[tacit wharf]

clues and elemental weaknesses

[frail bough]

i feel like the elemental weakness stuff would be super easy to add too ye

[obsidian venture]

I'm going to take ALL this positivity and share it with the pvmers in the wilderness. Isn't this nice @minor whale

Don't let me catch you slipping folks!

[tacit wharf]

though i can see them spreading those 2 out over 2 weeks as well

[obsidian venture]

It's going to be an oath blog most likely

into clues

into another thing for summer sweep

if I had to guess

[frail bough]

Today is a bad day to remember digger wont exist.

Well, every day really.

[sacred cove]

Ele weakness is summer sweep up stuff right? Does that need to be voted on?

[obsidian venture]

no

this is all unpolled

It's just changes they want in the game

[minor whale]

I'm with you brother!

[obsidian venture]

They want some feedback to get the "best product"

[winged mantle]

@limber briar how many of each contract did it take you? I don't have an alt to practice on

[frail bough]

dont ask him that

shit

he's typing

[winged mantle]

Lmao

[obsidian venture]

👀

[limber briar]

4/5 were like sub 11

Sensory was alot.....

[winged mantle]

Oo nice

[limber briar]

Like alot alot..

Like think of a number and double it

[frail bough]

its enough to make you believe you are going to finish it in one night

and then you dont

[small anvil]

200

[obsidian venture]

glyphic took me alot as I didn't solo yama beforehand

[winged mantle]

Oml

[obsidian venture]

by alot i mean 20

I had to figure out p3 mid contract

[minor whale]

That sounds like it's very expensive to purchase all the bonds needed to do these fights!

[winged mantle]

I've seen the numbers of contracts in my clan and it doesn't look good

[obsidian venture]

no hourglass practice either 😭

we practice on the fly...

[sacred cove]

Can you define alot? I can double it after

[winged mantle]

35 on the bad contract all the way upto 75-250

[obsidian venture]

wtf

[plush gull]

100

200

400?

[limber briar]

Think sensory took around 130 about half was 1.8m ish

[minor whale]

Were you using 1hp Dharoking method to do the fight? I think I've been told by a reliable source that it's a VERY viable option.

[obsidian venture]

I should do bloodied tn

[frail bough]

do it

[obsidian venture]

But I'm cooked from all this positivity

[frail bough]

tomorrow after recharge then

bring you back down to baseline, you'll be golden

[plush gull]

sensory has the "voidflare explosions are lethal" clause i wouldnt try to DH it

[frail bough]

be positive

[plush gull]

u cant tick eat explosions and i think even if u max u cant kill them all in time with 7t dh

so it might be literally impossible with DH only

[frail bough]

going to bed so i dont catch it, gn all

[obsidian venture]

Sent a few attempts ln for a diff one after a long day and it wasn't it. Sent 1 attempt today and copped

Rest does wonders

[hard axle]

honest negativity > toxic positivity

[slender vapor]

Toxic positivity is actually the worst

[minor whale]

But encouraged!

[slender vapor]

I'll take someone telling me i'm a shit eater for doing stuff improperly over someone telling me i'm fine and everythings okay with me 6 ticking a blowpipe

[minor whale]

I'm gonna be so positive it'll have an ld50 of 100 messages

[hasty shard]

real

[obsidian venture]

Actually bis

But oscord wouldn’t know

[slender vapor]

[hasty shard]

if i 6t blowpipe i just log off

[obsidian venture]

Seen way more progress in folks from being brutally honest

And in discussions

Even simply using wdr and giving bad advice in advice channels will get you flamed and rightfully so

There’s no room for being ignorant on content that’s been solved

[rain fulcrum]

any zulrah zcbers today?

[obsidian venture]

🤣🤣🤣

[hasty shard]

nope 😔

im noticing how cracked double dc is there though

[rain fulcrum]

does it proc on recoil kills

[hasty shard]

like damn it procs when snakelings naturally die why is modern content so strict

yeah

[rain fulcrum]

what does one spec with at zulrah

chally now?

[slender vapor]

Chally on redphase iirc

[hasty shard]

i am speccing with accursed because dentge

[rain fulcrum]

thats worth it?

[minor whale]

Saves .2 seconds per kill

Mega worth

[hasty shard]

worth it in the sense that it is better than a shadow hit

and readjusts cycle for extra hit

[rain fulcrum]

oh

[minor whale]

It also lets you get off perfect ticks on entry cycle yeah

[rain fulcrum]

right it actually replaces the sang hit instead

[hasty shard]

oh right why zcb at zulrah are rubies not capped

[rain fulcrum]

theyre not??

[hasty shard]

were you memeing

[rain fulcrum]

i thought they hit 50s

[minor whale]

They are
It's a meme

About Natesky

[hasty shard]

oh right lmao

[minor whale]

He ZCBd Zulrah

[hasty shard]

forgot that

[rain fulcrum]

not with rubies tho

[hasty shard]

oh right yeah you can chally off of any phase

same melee def across them iirc

[rain fulcrum]

how much are the zulrah teles these days

[hasty shard]

10k ea

[rain fulcrum]

oh thats way better

i remembered them being like 35k

[rain mulch]

Did they rollback the loot chest on the obor update or what cause I just killed him and I didn't see any chests pop up nor was there or is there a chest in sight when i re-enter his lair

[tacit wharf]

it was a blog, not an update post

[rain mulch]

Uh. What was a blog,

[tacit wharf]

#game-news message

[bronze kernel]

It was a proposal. But an update

[rain mulch]

Ah I see

They wrote it like it was all completed

I believe you though

Cause there's no chest ha

Better this way, really

Thanks again everybody

[craggy wind]

It is an upcoming update, and will also affect Bryo!

[rain mulch]

So will I be able to access the chest without killing obor though once it's implemented if I've killed him at least one time already

And if not then why is there going to be a chest

Cause honestly it wouldn't really make sense to include the chest but then not also include the getting the items without having to kill obor part

[winged mantle]

i think it's for ca's

[rain mulch]

And really I'd rather be spending my time training on something that doesn't do range and knockback

But I've got over a hundred keys and so the new loot box seemed ideal at first but then it looked like they're saying you still have to kill him to open it and so it's just like what

[winged mantle]

kill + key for the normal loot

[tacit wharf]

it did make it sound like you have to kill him to open the chest each time

[winged mantle]

the new varients will have chance at key

from kill

so you can farm ca's and have an alt way to get keys

from waht i read

would need to recheck the post tho

[rain mulch]

He's relatively easy at my level anyway, I've got 82 or higher in all stats so I just ensare him of course and then range him cause I'm raising my range, and turn protect vs range prayer on too but it's still pretty annoying with the knockback and everything that makes it to where you practically have to ensare him and so then you're always waiting in trepidation to when he starts lumbering over at you to cue you in to having to cast the spell again

[chrome lantern]

Curious if it's even going to be faster than just grinding keys

From moss giants currently

Also hoping it doesn't become like a 1/1k bryophyta kills to get an essence lol

[bronze kernel]

I'm torn on whether or not I should wait on stocking up on Giant keys

Will they keep the same drop rate for their keys as they do now (1/16)?

That's the important question

[jovial sentinel]

Making them worse would be kind of dumb

[analog crow]

I doubt they'll change it. You'll need a key for your first entry into the boss room anyway.

[fossil epoch]

keys are either gonna be the same keys/hr or better yeh

[analog crow]

For F2P grinding the boss for keys is not gonna ba feasible anyways

But a members setup can just obliterate bryo, so maybe that's gonna be the meta

[plain prawn]

Can we please be able to bind prayer flicks to buttons on keyboard?

[tacit wharf]

more than a 1 to 1 action, so no

[warped wing]

Anyone know when the API mobile update comes out?

[minor whale]

It's part of the "and beyond" section of the roadmap, so no ETA

[harsh gorge]

is it possible to dodge vorkaths first acid attack? if so how? (melee)

[ember token]

there's a row of tiles in front of the entrance where vorkath will never leave acid on the ground

that's the only way to 100% never get hit by it

[shadow wave]

Everything in this blog is a game balance update and won't be polled, hence why the wording is definitive - unless they change their mind it's not like it can voted down

[quiet plank]

yeah unless there were a lot of people angry about it, it wont be changed

and since it was well recieved it's pretty locked in now

[tiny otter]

which is funny given that outcome should just mean it's polled but here we are

[chrome lantern]

I’m pretty angry that even in 500s it’s going to be 20% worse Masori rates but what can I do, I’m already over 4x on chaps

[vivid ruin]

I feel like everything up to 250 from 150 should be the same chance, and from there the rates of uniques should escalate. As we hit 450+, the rarest of uniques should have better drop rates

[rain fulcrum]

Why should a 250 be the same as a 150

[chrome lantern]

I think he means as live

[rain fulcrum]

I think we should just add a rate penalty for solo only

[obsidian venture]

Someone made a post about adjusting rates and they should tweak lower invos moreso

Close to 50% of purples in sub 300 is wild

Can adjust higher invos to reward slightly more

Can also lower % for teams

[tacit wharf]

flatten the rate for teams would be where i look first

[vivid ruin]

I mean, maybe im a bit disconnected but the difference in skill level between a 150 and a 250 is next to no difference

[rain fulcrum]

Doesn't help. Most purps are from solo

[fossil epoch]

well not for someone who is good at the game no, but this is the entry raid, and for people learning their first raids, theres a big difference between 150 and 250

[rain fulcrum]

Yes but what problem are you solving

By making learning feel bad because you have 100 pts where your rates are the same

[thick beacon]

personally i think silver lining is even if the nerf is very harsh and shadow becomes alot more unviable to get

eye is coming out

[warm storm]

making increasing RL do literally nothing for drop chance makes zero sense

i think the proposed changes are very good :)

[fossil epoch]

150 - 299: 42% of total completions, 22% of total uniques.
this is a big part of the playerbase, not even bringing in 1/4th of the purples thats not whats hurting the cost of toa purples

[thick beacon]

thats same amount of uniques basically as 400 was bringing in

[vivid ruin]

Less purps is still less

Tob you basically dont get a chance at purps until you are fairly skilled at it and playing with fairly* skilled players

[fossil epoch]

Yeh thats why its good they are bringing it down where its more purples being printed

tob is also not a learner raid

[rain fulcrum]

Bringing down the rates on norms is 1 thing but I don't see why u would want to flatline it.

It's just completely arbitrary

[warm storm]

the purp chance only really goes down with a ton of deaths.

your personal chance at a purple does not go do down at all if your team dies 100 times, so it also doesn't matter if you're FFA

[rain fulcrum]

The rates at 150-250 are also super in line with other raids

[thick beacon]

personally i think if changes come through ima do 350s instead of 400s

maybe 300s

[warm storm]

which is a good thing imo. high inv raids being so heavily rewarded made doing anything else feel bad

now you can run chillers and still get drops

[vivid ruin]

Its akin to boosting your bottom margin in economics

[rain fulcrum]

No it's just dumb

[thick beacon]

ye ima do chillers instead of sweating losing consistensy for sure esp with reward for trying being brought down more to

[rain fulcrum]

I think this is what they want cuz running fast 300s is way more fun anyways

Since the difficulty scaling in ToA is generally not fun scaling anyways

[warm storm]

same reason speedy solo cox is more fun to me than CM

[thick beacon]

ye i agree i still liked base difficulty and doing nhn 400

but should be free now

[rain fulcrum]

Imo higher difficulty giving better drops is smth that sounds good but feels bad

Especially if the implementation of hard involves scaling numbers

[warm storm]

they do still give better drops, which is good. it's just less of an exponential rise now

[rain fulcrum]

Yeah I mean it's a question whether those will make up for increased defense etc.

[thick beacon]

i think it sucks that reward is less its still there

but for me im gona drop raid lvl instead now

just how i feel

[obsidian venture]

It just makes sense to reward higher invo with higher purp chance

I'm fine with a blanket nerf btw

But not tweaking the def/hp for higher invos and for a lower purple chance is questionable

If anything they should emphasize time invos

[tough nacelle]

Time is honestly the LEAST enjoyable mechanic for myself and many players

I don't think adding more points to the speed run Strat makes sense

Especially for the older players who need pauses

It's just a giant middle finger

[gaunt kestrel]

i mean you can still do a solid raid level without a timer on

[tough nacelle]

Your reward for speed

Is more rewards

You don't need to add more rewards

[tough nacelle]

Yeah but he was saying making time trials more incentived

The time ivo is by far my least favorite

Well no

Kephri heals are

But it's definitely in my top 5 disliked invos

[gaunt kestrel]

im not opposed to the time invos being more incentivized - personally i think the faster you can go the more you should be rewarded

[tough nacelle]

But you already are

More rolls

[gaunt kestrel]

obviously you're already defaultly rewarded by having faster kph

[tough nacelle]

Faster you go, more rolls you get

You don't need more rolls and higher chance

Because now the gap between less geared players and max geared grows more

As well as skilled vs non skilled

Imo it's toxic

[gaunt kestrel]

my takes about toa are probably gonna be the minority opinion

because i'd prefer the raid to be less accessible (as it is still a raid)

obviously it's a bad feeling if you're unable to make the time (either due to irl reasons/skill issue)

[tough nacelle]

Or gear

I think mechanics fun

Time

[gaunt kestrel]

for gear or skill

[tough nacelle]

No fun

[gaunt kestrel]

those are like, personally controllable issues

even as an ironman, you'd just not take the time invo

[obsidian venture]

simply going faster doesn't mean it's speedrun stuff first off

[tough nacelle]

I think the time invos and tanky invos were bad ideas

[gaunt kestrel]

the people affected by time invos irl is probably the minority bunch, so i dont think it should be balanced around that

[obsidian venture]

the time diff for these raids are very minimal

[tough nacelle]

I wish more mechanics

[gaunt kestrel]

there aren't really tanky invos rather than the nature of toa scaling

[obsidian venture]

They should enforce time so you don't have billy take a smoke break mid raid

[tough nacelle]

Like say baba monkeys yeeted bananas

[gaunt kestrel]

i'd be more than welcoming of downtuning toa bulk

[tough nacelle]

I legit need to

[gaunt kestrel]

and then changing the speed invos to accomodate

[tough nacelle]

I go 15 min

Then 5 min

Otherwise I can't play

I just don't play with people that aren't cool with that

[gaunt kestrel]

yea i mean that's fine

[tough nacelle]

Which is fine, but now to say I should get less of a drop

[gaunt kestrel]

but then you're not entitled to the time invo

[tough nacelle]

If I don't push for speed

[tough nacelle]

Yeah it's fine

I'm replying to bane saying speed invos should give more rewards

[obsidian venture]

It should

[tough nacelle]

On top of current rewards

Hard disagree

You already get more rolls

[obsidian venture]

as folks avoid them to spend 45 min for the same purp chance

[tough nacelle]

You don't need more rolls and more chance

[gaunt kestrel]

but then you're meaning is that

people who try harder

[obsidian venture]

You do NOT due to how toa is scaled. It's a marginal difference lmao

[gaunt kestrel]

or people who practice efficient strats to go faster

[obsidian venture]

It's not adding an extra raid for that hour

[gaunt kestrel]

shouldnt be rewarded/incentivized to do so

[tough nacelle]

They are

[gaunt kestrel]

it's not even speed strats ngl

[tough nacelle]

Via speed

[gaunt kestrel]

to hit 40mins

[tough nacelle]

It's like saying 20min cox isn't rewarding vs 40 min

You get twice as many runs

[obsidian venture]

you don't even know the difference between actual speeds and just doing better procedure

[obsidian venture]

this is a different raid

[tough nacelle]

That's not what I'm saying

[obsidian venture]

toa is slow in general

[tough nacelle]

The reward for going faster

Is more rolls

For being slow

You get less rolls

[obsidian venture]

yeah in cox, you COULD squeeze an extra 1-2 raids

[gaunt kestrel]

i mean that's almost like saying death shouldnt incur point reduction

because you're already losing time

[obsidian venture]

in toa you cannot

[tough nacelle]

Death should

But now you're saying to get items to go faster

You get a reduced chance both at rolls

AND as a %

That's just silly

[obsidian venture]

Some teams are barely getting under the 30 min mark as is

[tough nacelle]

Yeah toa is a slog

[obsidian venture]

at most you will be doing 1-2 raids tops

[tough nacelle]

Okay no shadow no fang

Now you're punished

[obsidian venture]

so in this case, for this raid, my point makes sense

[tough nacelle]

For not having a shadow on multiple fronts

Can't push invo because tank

[obsidian venture]

if talking about tob or cox, that's a different discussion

[tough nacelle]

Can't get shadow because rarity

[gaunt kestrel]

unfort thats just the nature of the game

[tough nacelle]

Is now higher with slower runs

And now less rolls because slower

[gaunt kestrel]

and how toa is the "use the raid weapons on the raid"

deal

[obsidian venture]

Not having fang is annoying but it's also hella cope to say you can't push invo

That's actually just skill issue

[tough nacelle]

It's certainly not fun

[gaunt kestrel]

i think that's jusut the nature of a scaling raid

[tough nacelle]

What about time isn't rewarding enough

[gaunt kestrel]

it's gonna be difficult to make it worth doing at 150

[tough nacelle]

20-30% more attempts

[gaunt kestrel]

and difficult to make it worth doing at 500

[tough nacelle]

For being faster

[obsidian venture]

People bin it at higher invos

[tough nacelle]

Is a significant reward

[gaunt kestrel]

but you should be incentivized to go faster

[tough nacelle]

You don't need to double the drops effectively by making it 1-2% more common combined with more

[obsidian venture]

Why shouldn't you reward someone for playing better

[tough nacelle]

Faster runs

[tough nacelle]

You are...

[gaunt kestrel]

if i'm getting 42 min runs

[tough nacelle]

Faster k.c

[obsidian venture]

you say we should be rewarded but also disagreeing with yourself

[gaunt kestrel]

and i need to sharpen my play to make the 40min timer

and get a free reward

[tough nacelle]

Is more attempts

If I can spina wheel 5x an hour

[gaunt kestrel]

i should be motivated to make the 40min timer

[obsidian venture]

!!!

[tough nacelle]

And you can spin it 8 times

[gaunt kestrel]

instead of say, the 40min timer is unfair and should be removed

[obsidian venture]

in toa it's a slog so you're not actually gaining more kc per hour

[tough nacelle]

But you do

30 vs 40

[obsidian venture]

it tops at 2

[gaunt kestrel]

doing a 35min raid and a 45min raid, is the difference of 1 raid every like 8

[obsidian venture]

cox can vary from 1-5 (speeds)

[tough nacelle]

Which is a significant increase in purple chance

[obsidian venture]

toa can vary 1-2

[gaunt kestrel]

so the person doing the 45 min raid

should aim to cut it down to 40

so the difference is not so big

AND you'd get more points for meeting the time req

[tough nacelle]

That's just horrid game design

Forces players to ONLY play with optimal starts

Strats

[gaunt kestrel]

well like i said

[obsidian venture]

Not really, it's a raid. Why should folks have a dinner party mid raid

and get rewarded the same

[gaunt kestrel]

you dont need to do optimal strats for a 40min raid

[tough nacelle]

Why is the reward of spending less time between raids not enough?

Should you get more purples for gm helm too?

[obsidian venture]

If you're raid is already over 35 min (default time diff for calcs) then you aren't doing anything at all

[obsidian venture]

this isn't needed

so random af to throw that in there

[tough nacelle]

But if you play better

You need to be rewarded

[obsidian venture]

in said content

[tough nacelle]

Okay then add mechanics

[obsidian venture]

endgame is already cosmetics if we really want to go there

[tough nacelle]

Now monkeys throw bananas at you

In baba

So you gotta off tick them

[obsidian venture]

sure

but jagex ain't adding shit

so this is a non-point

[tough nacelle]

That's gameplay addition that deserves rewards

[obsidian venture]

that's fantastic

[tough nacelle]

Saying no no , just do the same content but faster

Is not fun

[obsidian venture]

sadly irrelevant

[tough nacelle]

And imo encourages toxic behaviour

[gaunt kestrel]

i dont think its bad design

i jusut think it isnt accessible to everyone

which is fine

[tough nacelle]

CG is despised

[obsidian venture]

encouraging toxic behavior is cope

[tough nacelle]

And I think it's because of the timer

[obsidian venture]

just pot with similar mindsets as you stated above

[tough nacelle]

The reward for doing t1 is faster kc

It shouldn't be 1/800 for t2 armour

And 1/400 for t1

You're already rewarded is my point

The ivos for time now are fine

Offer a slight reward, not mandatory

But to say we should make them even more important is silly imo

Add ivo to mechanic adding invos

Reduce for things that add defence

boss level should maybe add less hp/tank, but add less invo

And the mechanical ones should add more

Only con is the bosses attack faster with scaling

So maybe that should be a different invo

Example is yama

Mage duos are slower than melee

You'll get more KC with melee

But has a higher skill requirement

The speed is the reward

[obsidian venture]

Right but they aren't adding anything so it's pointless to discuss that, even though it IS something we've asked for everytime

They're looking to adjust things

Speed is a reward but in toa but it's gamechanging and is usually very cancer

Toa speeds is resetting

I'm talking purely money raids (varies per person)

and if anything folks aren't incentized to use time invos, even when pushing high

and that's lame in itself

So yes I find it odd a person doing a 50 min 400 has the same rate as a person doing a 35 min 400

Think it's my biggest gripe with the whole point system in cox/toa

[nocturne solstice]

Sounds pretty normal and expected to me though. Same drop rate, different kc/hr

Last I checked, the time limit invos are considered "free" and are always recommended if you can consistently hit the timer.

[obsidian venture]

It just doesn't have that same impact like cox

whereas you can squeeze more FULL kcs in

[nocturne solstice]

Well not every raid has to be the same

[obsidian venture]

this is like 1 kc to 1.5

[nocturne solstice]

It all adds up, it'll be a full kc depending on how long your gaming sesh is
I really hope devs dont just design towards very low drop rates, 4 completions an hour.

[vivid ruin]

You do get penalized for not making time on time based invos

I dont consider them free

[nocturne solstice]

yeah you lose a couple invo points

[vivid ruin]

Yeah

[nocturne solstice]

Well that's why I put it in quotation marks and said "always recommended if you can consistently hit the timer"

[vivid ruin]

True

[minor whale]

Yeah idk I think it's fine that people taking long in a raid have the same drop rate, they're getting way less drops/hr if they take twice as long to complete it

You can "pause" tob by just not going to the next room, same drop rate
Time invos are just something you can add on and get a reward for going faster, it's "easier" since it means an invo you don't have to turn on

[obsidian venture]

My original point was just to increase points for them

People can still opt out, as some teams do

or solos for that matter

Moreso aimed towards getting a good time in higher invos

Because with the current suggested changes, people will opt out of doing 500+ to a good degree

and that is not good lmao

[nocturne solstice]

I dont think we should significantly reward things that are just "efficiency" because as you just get better at content it's just free % increase for just playing normally.

[obsidian venture]

It's much harder to hit times in higher invos and that should be rewarded

[nocturne solstice]

I dont think it really matters and it's not a metric that has much value. Number of people doing ToA is more important than fracturing that population and saying changes are bad because this smaller percent is smaller.

[minor whale]

I don't think you really need higher drop rate and faster raids when faster raids is really the crux of the gp/hr
Go faster for more raids for more gp/hr
They could maybe readjust speed invos to be more worth it but at base levels they're really free points until you add more invos on

[obsidian venture]

It's an invo that when folks learn, they can feel good when they send

now that itself is going to be more limited

[nocturne solstice]

Why? They still have a higher drop chance than 150s

[obsidian venture]

I wouldn't mention this if the rates were unchanged

Because it's going to be better timewise to do a lower invo

Whole reason 540s are popular was that at a solid skill lvl, doing 1 raid was a high % chance

that's going to be somewhat halved, and to compensate, you'd just end up running a lower invo

[minor whale]

I just think it'd scale weird and be hard as shit to balance if the time invo gave much more points

[chrome lantern]

Yeah my 500s are going to be basically halved purples and 20% rarer of what I want (Masori) so like why even do them if I can do a 400 significantly faster

I thought I didn’t agree with Bane but I do

[nocturne solstice]

We all know and agree purple rates were absolutely nuts at ToA right? That the nerf did need to happen.

[minor whale]

But isn't he asking for time invos to give more points

So wouldn't that incentivize you to just do the fastest time invo + lowest other invos to get the level you want and now it's built in extra drop rate meaning going even higher is even less worth?

[thick beacon]

ye its such a big nerf i feel like

[plain prawn]

Legit a gate keep update. All the early bird TOAers took advantage of the drops, now jagex is gate keeping new players from benefitting from the drops now that toa 500 has been solved

[nocturne solstice]

I did get the impression it was kinda like "revert ToA drop chance nerfs by increasing points from efficiency invos" or something like that.

[chrome lantern]

Honestly I’ll be real

Even with the raid adjustments and fixes

The raid is still such a garbage raid compared to the other two that I don’t want to be forced to do it even longer than I already do

Even with high current purple rates

[minor whale]

Nerfing rates that are absurd isn't gatekeeping, it's just healthy for the game

They obviously should have done it earlier

[obsidian venture]

If you don't make the time then it's a useless addition. 500/540s are generally under 35 min so no you can't use the 25min/30min one

[nocturne solstice]

"Early Bird"? It's been 4 years dude. ToA came out in 2022 it's the 4th year it's been out, can you still even use that phrase in this context? Everyone is still benefitting from the extremely underevaluated prices of ToA gear.

[rare grotto]

well if they're speeding the raid up then it's for sure a consideration

can't just -5 minutes on the raid and have time invos be the same

[chrome lantern]

It’s not going to be a -5 minutes with the proposed changes

[obsidian venture]

Everyone for the most part is ok with the drop rate nerf. But it doesn't make sense for what it'd do for higher invos

[nocturne solstice]

Simply buy from GE and pot ToB instead

Mains win again

[plain prawn]

If I got a shadow, I would encourgae the nerffing of TOA drop rates so that others have a harder time getting that staff so that my shadow does not decrease in value.

[obsidian venture]

You're basically saying running 450+ is pointless

[rare grotto]

hmm i'd wager 2min - 2min30 timesave on avg if they go through at 545

[thick beacon]

i still dont get why we cant nerf lower and higher raid lvl

[nocturne solstice]

Ok so it sounds like you'd do exactly what you're complaining about then.

[obsidian venture]

So in that sense, why should folks who WANT to do better get shafted more than just a simple blanket nerf

[rare grotto]

well because majority of players would mald (majority is at low invo)

[chrome lantern]

Yeah that’s true tbh the issue is definitely with low raid levels and those should be nerfed moreso than high

[plain prawn]

Yes, but im also saying that those who are encouraging nerfing TOA drop rates are just also less explicitly doing the same

[chrome lantern]

Isn’t the point of the rebalance to make less purples come in

[minor whale]

The game was suffering from how common all of the drops from ToA are

[chrome lantern]

And almost 50% of purples are in low invoc

So why not touch that at all

[nocturne solstice]

Wasnt this absolutely false in the news blog?

[rare grotto]

we are in agreement, i think low invos shouldve gotten nuked as well

[thick beacon]

this this this

[rare grotto]

0-400 make up the bulk of purps/completions which is insane

[minor whale]

Them fixing that is like saying them nerfing BP was "hurting players who haven't gotten time to get a BP"

[nocturne solstice]

What is your range for low invo?

[thick beacon]

anything below 400 imo

[chrome lantern]

I do consider a 300 low invoc

[obsidian venture]

0-400

[rare grotto]

anything under 400, 400 borders on med invo imo

[chrome lantern]

And so do they, considering the breakpoints they used for rate adjustment

[nocturne solstice]

300 is literally expert, you dont find that a bit disingenuous to call it low invo?

[rare grotto]

it's very easy to crank the raid to 400 with all hard invos off

[hard axle]

• invo rebalance without shifting up what was expert mode

[minor whale]

I mean they used sub-300 as the breakpoints and identified 400s as the most out of scale invo for drops

[chrome lantern]

Not at all

[thick beacon]

i dont think its that illogical honestly to assume that

[hard axle]

300 may have been expert on release, but remember on WTP and silent prayers on release?

[nocturne solstice]

Thats nuts lmao

[chrome lantern]

I was running experts with an abyssal whip and basic trident on release

[thick beacon]

if u have 300x the ppl getting a crappier rate its just to much ppl rolling the dice

[rare grotto]

300 is literally a non insanity raid if u wanna make it brain off

[obsidian venture]

it really isn't lmao

[nocturne solstice]

It really is

[obsidian venture]

Keep in mind Jagex said it was the hardest thing and it was solved within 3 hours

So is it really lmao

[chrome lantern]

You can do experts easily with an RCB, warped scepter, and keris partisan

[obsidian venture]

on release

[minor whale]

Yeah sorry that's just kinda wild
70% of raids gave 45% of purples
19% of raids gave 42% of purples

[chrome lantern]

Not to mention any of the gear that you realistically would actually have before grinding

[nocturne solstice]

Looking at the same data you posted only 23% of players are doing 300-349, and 42% are doing 150-299. That's almost double the completions but the sameish amount of purple coming out.

300s are skewing your argument significantly

[rare grotto]

for a fraction of the difficulty

[tough nacelle]

You can't have midgame and endgame content give the same reeards

[thick beacon]

isint number of purples coming in the most important though

[tough nacelle]

Rewards

[thick beacon]

thats what matters

[tough nacelle]

Regardless of the rate

[nocturne solstice]

Yes 100%

[chrome lantern]

I’ll be clear, a 300 should still have more reward than a 150, but why are we punishing the scaling going higher?

[thick beacon]

and low end is giving just as much actually more then 400s

[rare grotto]

how is 150-299 even 22% of all uniques 😭

[thick beacon]

toa had more completions in 1month then tob in 5 years

[tough nacelle]

Lotta people run it

[thick beacon]

u cant make rates when u reward ppl for walking inside raid

[rare grotto]

yeah i know, just the scale of it is insane when u think about it

[nocturne solstice]

Looking at the same image again, 400s give the same % of uniques as 300s at another half of the completions.

[rare grotto]

like for every 1 high invo player u got like 10 billybobs

[nocturne solstice]

So its like if 150s are base rates, 300s are x2 drop rate, and 400s are x2 from 300s

[tough nacelle]

Toa reward strength doesnt match it's difficulty

[nocturne solstice]

There was too many purples coming in and it's clear where the problem comes from

[tough nacelle]

At the low end anyways

High end toa is too many purples

[chrome lantern]

Why is that a bad ratio

[rare grotto]

it's 7% of uniques

hardly a problem

[tough nacelle]

They tried to balance it on quantity of drops vs power

[obsidian venture]

7% is a lot now

good to know

[minor whale]

It's also scaling the low-valued purples down for higher difficulty raids, which is going to push profit up more

[tough nacelle]

That's a lot lol

[obsidian venture]

[minor whale]

I mean
7% coming from 1 single guy would be a lot wouldn't it, hypothetically?

[nocturne solstice]

Because too many purples and drop chance too high, that's the point.

[tough nacelle]

Also 400-500 is almost 35%

[chrome lantern]

Good

[tough nacelle]

1/3 of all purples

Came from that

[obsidian venture]

yes higher raid lvls should reward more purples. whats the confusion?

[rare grotto]

fwiw i do think 400-500 (moreso 410/440s) should get nerfed significantly cause 8 mans cap purp which is how ppl printed purps

[obsidian venture]

but lower invos are just as good

is that not glaring

[rare grotto]

but it's weird to point the blame on 400+ and not look at 150-400

[nocturne solstice]

I'm just getting a lot of low-mid lvl gamer hate here and people who are experienced/good at the game wanting more than just higher kc/hr for their skill.

[minor whale]

What does just as good mean when they're percentage wise less purples

[tough nacelle]

The rewards are too good so they tried to make midgame rewards be rare and high end rewards common

Which nuked the price

[obsidian venture]

no one is hating on lower skilled players mate

we are chatting about disenguious rates

[chrome lantern]

I see why Jagex wants to nerf purple rates, but if they want to nerf purple rates, they should nerf low level purple rates as well and still make it worth your while to go higher invoc

[tough nacelle]

Vs cox being similarly low rate or tob

[nocturne solstice]

It's not 400s being blamed its 300+ being blamed, hence why all drop rates over 300 gets the nerfs.

[tough nacelle]

Can't just say you'll get the same reward but more of it!!

[thick beacon]

jagex themselves show that its legit printing more purples from lower invos

[obsidian venture]

it's almost like you can read the same chart

but still draw a different conclusion

[rare grotto]

yes but 150-300 is just as problematic as any other bracket

[nocturne solstice]

How did you reach that conclusion?

[tough nacelle]

400-550 is half of the purples

[obsidian venture]

LMAO

[tough nacelle]

In the game

[rare grotto]

do u not believe 150-300 deserves a nerf

[tough nacelle]

It's a shit ton

[chrome lantern]

The proposed changes just take out a lot of fangs and rings (this is good and fine) and make high invocs worse rates than current for remaining uniques without adjusting low level raids (which will also speed up btw) at all

[tough nacelle]

It needs a global nerg

Nerf

[nocturne solstice]

I feel like you're all intentionally misreading and misrepresenting the chart

[obsidian venture]

?

[minor whale]

It's also going to be better purples when higher invos get their purples

[nocturne solstice]

Calling 300s low invo is already pretty nuts and shows no objectivity (this wasnt you bane it was etube)

[rare grotto]

it's 39% let's not twist the numbers

[rare grotto]

400+ is the same amount of uniques as 300-400 btw

[nocturne solstice]

What does that chart mean to you and how did you reach that conclusion?

[nocturne solstice]

Beacuse again

[thick beacon]

well i think ultimately what matters is hm purples enter game

[tough nacelle]

Yep

[thick beacon]

ud assume majority of that comes from 400s (i never did personally but alot of ppl did)

[tough nacelle]

And they said low level raids give purples at low chance

[thick beacon]

but thats not case

[rare grotto]

imagine 23% of purps came from 550, ppl would lose their shit and ask it to be nerfed to the ground

[tough nacelle]

High raid give purples at 3738582748583 the rate

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah so with the changes, less purples will enter and thats good.

[tough nacelle]

There's too many purples

Price tanked

[minor whale]

0-299 is almost half the completions and less than a quarter of the purples

[thick beacon]

they have weaker rates but strength in numbers to pump out purples

[rare grotto]

but because it's 23% at an easy invos ppl don't want it taken away

[tough nacelle]

And people went surprised pika

[tough nacelle]

But they are taking them away

[nocturne solstice]

Yes exactly, it takes more runs to get the same amount of purples

[tough nacelle]

It's being nerfed globally

With less rings and fangs at higher invo

So fang and ring will go up in value

[minor whale]

You get worse purples at lower invos and better purples at higher invos
And the raids bringing in the most purples (above 300) are being nerfed

[tough nacelle]

And masori shouldn't change much

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah also true

[tough nacelle]

It'll go up a bit

But nothing crazy

[nocturne solstice]

Running higher invos will still be worth it for lower fang/lb/ward rate

[tough nacelle]

Shadow also will be a bit rarer

[nocturne solstice]

Higher shadow chances

[rare grotto]

not at 150-300 invo

which is just as problematic as other brackets

[nocturne solstice]

Running 300+ will still be worth it

[thick beacon]

ye but so many ppl for (some reason?) choose to do lower lvl raids enough to make it such a large chunk *majority fraction of purples in game

[tough nacelle]

I think they are nerfing the 150-300 too

I'm almost certain it's also being nerfed

[chrome lantern]

Nope

[minor whale]

Harder raids are better purples

That's the nerf

[rare grotto]

it's unchanged

which is insane btw

[minor whale]

Lower invo raids won't be getting the quality of purples

And it's already less purples than 300+

[nocturne solstice]

I imagine because they're ironmen and aren't that good and havent got fang or sun keris or shadow to push 300+

Just a guess tho

[thick beacon]

fang is not that rare

[chrome lantern]

I’ve seen UIM doing 400s with no keris or shadow and zhasta

[rare grotto]

yes higher invo raids are better pph, but it doesn't matter how efficiently u do it. What matters is hm purps come out

[minor whale]

So they're gonna be getting lower quality and less purples than 300+, while 300+ is getting better quality purples and still more purples than sub-300s

[tough nacelle]

Well they're still rare

1/82 for fang

Is rare

Just Lotta completions

[nocturne solstice]

Never said it was rare

[tough nacelle]

It should help

[rare grotto]

it doesn't matter how rare it is when there's 10x ppl more running it than 545

[nocturne solstice]

People can just be unlucky

[tough nacelle]

But by that logic we should release more next

Nex

Unfun content

[nocturne solstice]

inb4 b2b2b2b rings and wards

[tough nacelle]

So no one does it

[thick beacon]

either ppl feel to gatekept its to hard or they dont find reward in it to do those higher lvl raids

if everyone could get best rates they could and all purples would come from high invo toa

[tough nacelle]

Reality is endgame rewards need endgame bosses

[rare grotto]

well if you make accessible content then u should expect a lot of ppl to do them (and hence make rates low to compensate)

[tough nacelle]

Yeah it shouldnt be though

It should be midgame content is midgame rewards

[minor whale]

They literally say higher invos means better purples
I don't see how it's "not rewarding" to do when it still boosts your chances at a purple and it's gonna be a more valuable purple

[rare grotto]

you should, hence they're changing the rates

[tough nacelle]

Not midgame content is endgame rewards but rarer

[nocturne solstice]

Well yeah but thats a bit of a nothing sentence. If everyone was woox then everyone would have an infernal cape.

[tough nacelle]

Making a raid for everyone is hard