Its a hit to merchants which is always a Positive. ive hated merchants and price manipulators since 2000's
#game-update
true talon
small anvil
To announce and implement in a week
dim ridge
flippers, a literal tax on the GE itself, complaining that jagex is adding a higher tax, lmao
small anvil
Flippers add liquidity
dim ridge
okay and they're still a tax
analog crow
people will buy and sell as before
if fewer people try to merch because of lower margins, then nothing of value will have been lost
small anvil
They give people instant buy prices that are better
It will just cost people more to instant buy
Or instant sell
minor whale
Yeah this isn't gonna change anything except a few less merchers
tacit pendant
Players would still use ge at 5%
Finding trades through discords or in game chat would take so much time that could be spent pvming
dim ridge
They give people instant buy prices that are better
no that is not what they do
small anvil
The margins will be wider
knotty herald
I've played an MMO with a 10% marketplace tax and a listing fee and that thing was still used heavily
dim ridge
flippers mean you're getting a worse price for both buying and selling but it sells faster
that is how a market works
upbeat moss
Imagine if osrs had a listing fee that the game ate even if you cancel the offer
true talon
Imagine if osrs had a listing fee that the game ate even if you cancel the offer
This how most games do it lol.
dim ridge
Yes, so people who instant sell/buy
yes they get worse prices because flippers are taking a cut, yeah
upbeat moss
This how most games do it lol.
Right lol. A 2% tax is fine
tacit pendant
Ge tax is the least invasive gp sink at the scale it is at
small anvil
They get worse prices but faster
upbeat moss
Either way, most players will just +/- 10-20% to insta sell/buy lol
small anvil
If merchers disappeared instant buy/sell gap in prices would be much larger
true talon
Either way, most players will just +/- 10-20% to insta sell/buy lol
Facts, i dont got time to sit around waiting for an item
knotty herald
I -99% my slayer junk regularly
small anvil
Merchers do work in preserving the spread lol
tacit pendant
Next mega rare is the gilded swiftest blade, 3tick stab weapon that must be charged with 1m raw gp per hour used
bleak crag
woohoo! Shadow dropping the bonfire xp rates. big win 😄
Now we just need the ether chiseling 🎉
upbeat moss
I -99% my slayer junk regularly
I hate when I'm selling junk and it just. won't. sell. Lmao
true talon
Next mega rare is the gilded swiftest blade, 3tick stab weapon that must be char...
Sounds good, i just wont use it XD
I know this will come off as ironman bias,
But if rev weps were powered with actual RAW GP, they would sink a lot out the game.
tacit pendant
Wait gilded ham joint would go so hard
upbeat moss
Wait gilded ham joint would go so hard
Glazed ham joint when
true talon
Considering all the bots are using rev weps
they would be sinking gp as they make gp from the content
tacit pendant
Raw gp will hopefully be used by sailing to pay crew in mass
true talon
If you die the GP is given to the player but half of it is removed
vivid ruin
Its definitely nice being in a clan where you can just trade items back and forth and mostly ignore the GE
vernal valve
Raw gp will hopefully be used by sailing to pay crew in mass
sailing is unironically a great opportunity to add an absolute ton of item/gold sinks tbh
gaunt kestrel
Next mega rare is the gilded swiftest blade, 3tick stab weapon that must be char...
per hour in combat or just per hour in general 🤔
tacit pendant
A good clan is like the largest buff you can give yourself
vernal valve
lots of non-contrived ways to just sink resources into a skill like sailing
tacit pendant
per hour in combat or just per hour in general 🤔
In combat, used on swing
Sailing being used primarily as a sink, poetic
full shell
I’m confused, for bloodied blows they said Yama’s hp was increased by 25% down from 40%?
What does that even mean?
gaunt kestrel
yes
lyric sonnet
gaunt kestrel
imo its plain english 
tacit pendant
Should have just worded it down from 140% to 125%
gaunt kestrel
ideally they'd just give the numbers, but eh
true talon
They also got to stop adding alchables to tables
gaunt kestrel
its no biggie
minor whale
His hp increase was lowered, from a 40% increase to a 25% increase
true talon
Yama has quite a bit of alchables and no raw resources which is kind good
full shell
So
true talon
but no alchables needs to be a thing
full shell
He has 3125 hp instead of 2500 if I’m correct
That’s less annoying I guess
Contracts are still extremely rare
1 mil for bloodied blows
hard axle
tacit pendant
Its day one of being able to buy more than 5
full shell
Its day one of being able to buy more than 5
What did they change the buy limit to?
small anvil
50
full shell
Here come the merchers lol
tacit pendant
The merchers were there yesterday not today
They are the ones selling at 1m rn
Slow buy in mass the limit all last week
full shell
Correct
vital depot
Forfeit breath is almost 2m each
fossil epoch
insane
knotty herald
Anyone know if campfire xp/hr is higher, I know it's the same XP per log now but how fast are these logs being used up
true talon
Can these go into coffer yet lol
fossil epoch
those prices arent true though
true talon
ya they actual ge price is a lot lower
true talon
which is why these are going into the bin
full shell
So much for being cheaper than orbs by a substantial amount
fossil epoch
2 of them is 400k, 2 of them is 1m, and 1 is 2m
full shell
With the way they worded it I thought these things would be 100k
fossil epoch
They will fall quite a lot in price
full shell
We’ll see
fossil epoch
just turns out everyone was waiting for todays nerf before they started
true talon
Pineapple pizza is fking 1.4k each
fossil epoch
damn sold my pine pizzas for 3k each
gaunt kestrel
Fwiw orbs on release were like 3m a pop
So it makes sense that demand has caused price to increase now that they're mass buyable for people to attempt
gaunt kestrel
It wasn't until like a decent time after awakened dt2 bosses opened that orbs dropped under 1m/ea
I'm not trying to justify the price btw I'm just commenting on why it's up rn
full shell
i will gladly support the chain with my bloodie contracts
lol Yama wasn’t the moneymaker after all
tacit pendant
Im at an effective 25mil an hour with my yama kc atm. Spoonlife
sand gazelle
https://i.imgur.com/UK45CEp.png
How many of these an hour you getting?
plush gull
i mean its been years since awakened bosses were added and the space for challenge runs etc and science is 10x more limited than it should be
sand gazelle
Maybe I should just forget about killing yama and just kill demons instead 👀
upbeat moss
i mean its been years since awakened bosses were added and the space for challen...
I think this whole yama "fiasco" might open up conversations about tweaking awakened dt2 bosses. I wouldn't expect orbs or contracts to ever be removed fully, but maybe made a bit more lenient.
We already know that they won't be doing orbs again (if you believe them) so there's that.
A little bit of positivity and hopeful thinking goes a long way
indigo tinsel
I have no plans to kill Yama in the near future
upbeat moss
When it's just negativity nonstop, it really turns people off, even if people agree. I think most people are on the same page though
plush gull
the 5.7k alchable that awakened bosses drop should work as an echo orb
fossil epoch
How many of these an hour you getting?
average 4 i think, havent really looked, its over 3 days of just afking
plush gull
can u even alch it, dang i gotta get to lighting bonfires. are they really 300k xp/h yews now?
knotty herald
No throwing logs in a campfire is a lot slower now
plush gull
yeah but they changed the wiki guide, does it not take that into account
any updated info on rates?
knotty herald
Lighting them in lines is still best xp/h like the newspost said
upbeat moss
Idk just buy like 100 yews and give it a shot
plush gull
ok but if the wiki is wrong how much xp/h are bonfires now
austere mulch
Why do bonfires when you can burn logs + superheat + fletch between them
plush gull
ok one sec ill count ticks
austere mulch
For net positive ehp
knotty herald
They're about twice as slow but same xp per log
Exactly twice as slow
they can reasonably expect to burn 700 logs per hour with minimal effort, that needs to be updated
upbeat moss
Yeah, it was never supposed to be good xp/hr
knotty herald
Incredibly relaxed
upbeat moss
Exactly. And the change today was only to give the same xp per log as normal fm
Instead of 30%
tacit pendant
Yama is stupid good money rn lol
Killing demons during your afk time sure, but saying its not worth killing the boss rn is just a bad take.
small anvil
spoon opinions on gph are not allowed!
plush gull
at least being slower makes it more afk. 9 ticks * 28 ticks is 2.5min afk
i havent done any skilling since leagues, hmm
need project zanaris so i can skill on maingame while doing contracts on PZ
they said u can play concurrently
😭 still no news on the webpage thing
small anvil
no news means its likely true
upbeat moss
at least being slower makes it more afk. 9 ticks * 28 ticks is 2.5min afk
That's actually so chill
Good update
minor whale
They also explicitly said some pvm content would be removed from PZ servers so there isn't "free training"
On top of 6 months minimum delay on pvm content being added
small anvil
they would be jumping over themselves to refute it if they actually were still doing zanaris, it's too much negative attention
tacit pendant
Without spooning yama is around 13.5m per hour at current prices and rates
plush gull
hopefully jagex addresses orbs and contracts by next leagues so people arent killing demons for contracts then
tacit pendant
For the ease of duos this is very good. The boss could settle at 7-8mil an hour even, but this would require oathplate set to crash to 250m
true talon
For the ease of duos this is very good. The boss could settle at 7-8mil an hour ...
Very likely, as more plate/legs are crafted from shards. helm will remain being useless lol
Jagex really need to address that before it becomes an actual issue
tacit pendant
Helm isnt useless at all at its current price. Better than bandos when slashing still. But you are generally correct and 8 mil an hour is appropriate for the effort this boss takes
plush gull
the helm is the only piece im considering buying cuz i find it really annoying that faceguard has like no defence compared to serp helm while also being 100k death fees when serp helm isnt
tacit pendant
If it goes lower in the 5-7m an hour range they missed the mark (for mainscape)
Just get a radiant helm, its 0 death fee 
tacit pendant
I know demon glyphs are bugged rn. Does anyone have the current color to method chart?
plush gull
just copy zen and use a sara sword regardless of glyph, its simple and gives bloodied blows
true talon
Helm isnt useless at all at its current price. Better than bandos when slashing ...
helm is 67m what do you mean??
true talon
its basically a facegaurd that has slash
tacit pendant
Not to mention oath helm and body, torva legs is very very close to bis
plush gull
80mil 💀
sad that they removed the way to practice for oathplate contracts, add the pools to pizza contract and make it a permanent unlock next week
tacit pendant
Like .05% dps loss or something
plush gull
tho apparently jraze came up with a method that works for pools
but also its one of the few fun mechanics so its really unfortunate that it was removed from cheap contracts
true talon
Oathplate piece contracts are awful for the content, it def shouldnt been added. kirby was already printing shards making like 15m per contract lol
15m per 5mins
prime cypress
ok sooooooo... black demons are dropping 2x ashes on the yellow glyph when killing with purgin staff REGARDLESS of whether you spec or not
vernal valve
Like .05% dps loss or something
ye anywhere you torva helm + oathplate top/bot, using helm + torva legs is like a 100m discount for a genuinely imperceptible DPS difference from BIS
plush gull
is the reason forfeit breath is so expensive cuz u have to kill with undead grasp or ice barrage which is less dps than sara sword for bloodied blows?
ohhhh use blue moon set, get both bloodied blows and forfeit breath
while afk
knotty herald
As far as I know you just need to kill the demon while its bound, I've been getting them with entangle + water surge
tacit pendant
And its still 2h melee weapon yeah?
plush gull
just use blue moon set+goading potions
kinda wish i had tons of alts to play at once like leagues, i dont have an account that can wear blue moon set while my main does bonfires
tacit pendant
Why sarasword? Wouldnt nox hall be better
plush gull
probably
knotty herald
guthan's set at greater demons 
hard axle
Very likely, as more plate/legs are crafted from shards. helm will remain being ...
As people have corrected, helm is actually decent for progression, assuming you’re not going to Yama with Torva.
+4 body and +2 legs + oathplate helm ends up being very decent
tacit pendant
Is yellow actually special attacks or is it still binding im getting nothing
knotty herald
Special attacks is red
hard axle
Oathplate piece contracts are awful for the content, it def shouldnt been added....
None of the rewards should’ve been guaranteed
that’s the dumbest shit I’ve seen balance wise
knotty herald
Yellow should still be binding
hard axle
Either you’ll have bots tick perfect using these up and closing the margin OR 0.0001% of the community exclusively doing those contracts
tacit pendant
Yellow should still be binding
So this is inaccurate correct
hard axle
At most awakened Yama should’ve been a better version of Yama like o
gauntlet to CG 
knotty herald
So this is inaccurate correct
Well if it's not working then maybe it's bugged to have not been updated yet but I would rather blame bad RNG and assume the change did go through as intended
Sooo ignore what I said I didn't realize they updated the icons lol
analog crow
At most awakened Yama should’ve been a better version of Yama like o
gauntlet to...
Imagine doing the aquisition contract and getting a zammy mix drop 
tacit pendant
Its very hard to assume they implemented things correctly with this update lol
hard axle
Imagine doing the aquisition contract and getting a zammy mix drop <:StrayDogSad...
Hear me out
I got nothing
dim ridge
Is yellow actually special attacks or is it still binding im getting nothing
Yellow is special attacks, purple is binding now
analog crow
I think it's on brand for yama to be like the trade offer meme
I get: your soul
You get: your ass beat, OR an oathplate piece
true talon
As people have corrected, helm is actually decent for progression, assuming you’...
oh for sure the helm is just a more expensive facegaurd. it is a nice ironman item to to just skip the facegaurd fully.
tough nacelle
At most awakened Yama should’ve been a better version of Yama like o
gauntlet to...
Yeah I think jagex is worried will hate it because cg is disliked by irons
But the reality is cg is disliked because bowfa is so critical to iron progression
analog crow
Yeah I think jagex is worried will hate it because cg is disliked by irons
I thought that was just a reddit meme
plush gull
14.4k fire runes an hour to afk with blue moon set lmao
tacit pendant
Helm is better than faceguard, sub torva legs is near identical dps
true talon
They really shoulda given the set a set bonus
tough nacelle
I thought that was just a reddit meme
Nah it's actually kinda crap to go dry on
And it's people's first experience with pvm
So they suck
analog crow
I only see eclipse set, used for venge fighting or at rev caves
dim ridge
the set bonuses are kinda okay, what moons really needs is special attacks that aren't awful on all three weapons
true talon
I only see eclipse set, used for venge fighting or at rev caves
its a good budget set
hard axle
oh for sure the helm is just a more expensive facegaurd. it is a nice ironman it...
Like people said above, it’s a hell of a discount for mains too. While I would prefer oath to be strong, especially if it sacrifices Torva parts, it’s not the worst state atm.
true talon
Like people said above, it’s a hell of a discount for mains too. While I would p...
Oh i know, but who is gonna craft the helm when they get 450 shards, literally no1. so more bodies/legs are going to enter the game casue of it.
hard axle
Yeah I think jagex is worried will hate it because cg is disliked by irons
Mostly cuz CG gets stale fast imo. I wouldn’t say no to a rare crystal spec weapon drop from demis
hard axle
Oh i know, but who is gonna craft the helm when they get 450 shards, literally n...
As a first direct drop
It wouldn’t be bad
prime cypress
im not convinced the 5x rate has been ported over to the yellow glyph effect
plush gull
its also the cheapest contract and killing demons off active glyph was buffed, its best to just afk with 2h or mage if ur not an iron
sara sword, undead grasp, or umm not binding spells for the other 1m contract
the blue glowy eyes on oathplate look so bad with the green from rancour, wonder when the poll is coming
hope we get more contract changes alongside it
prime cypress
get white rancour then
plush gull
how many hours is that on rate if u turael skip and destroy every corpse
plush gull
why did they make pets required for bis gear 💀
prime cypress
white isnt better than green
plush gull
rancour (s) is a bis item and so is rancour
you need pets required to obtain one of those bis items, but not other bis items such as umm blowpipe
upbeat moss
It's the same item though
restive siren
dont fall for it
plush gull
bis ranged strength per attack speed i think?
prime cypress
xdd
plush gull
bis ranged strength per attack speed i think?
yeah its 55 and bofa is 106 so i think so
restive siren
no biters
ornate smelt
is this the channel for game update suggestions? i have an idea for an item sink (unless jagex is happy with the high volume gear prices like the ones they just removed from the ge tax deletion)
ornate smelt
did not have that channel haha ty
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prime cypress
i have a theory, red glyph (now switched to melee) has got the 5x contract rate, wheras the yellow glyph (now switched to spec) has the base 2x rate increase.
tacit pendant
Yellow glyph gave me nothing in the 200 kc on yellow ive done
prime cypress
im getting 2x ashes drops whilst killing black demons with sunlight crossbow and cannon
im pretty sure purple was changed to binding spells
tacit pendant
Some official statements would be cool "hey this is bugged in this way rn"
prime cypress
they usually do a hotfix/ coldfix table on the top of the weeks update post, theyve done a bunch of hotfixes like the ashes but its not been captured anywhere
orchid meteor
im getting 2x ashes drops whilst killing black demons with sunlight crossbow and...
Yeah I'm getting 2x ashes from every glyph just htting things with sra. Just bugged completely right now as far as i can tell.
zenith pike
white isnt better than green
But it’s better than other colors
tacit pendant
Bout to just camp emberlight until they say something and not do the glyphs.
I dont wanna annoy jmods and ping but hopefully they know
tacit pendant
Green is allegedly range from the blog
small anvil
oh, sorry i meant green
i forgot there was a yellower one
just remembered the color and said yeah thats yellowish
tender harness
they changed the colors on glyphs
heres a hot take
make Yama the better source of contracts over demons
small anvil
so brave
tender harness
😳
but add the caveat of Yama has a random symbol over his head and if you dont do what the symbol means you lose the contract drop
eager bone
are there anyways a uim might be able to get noted pineapple pizzas?
tacit pendant
Wait wait, killing yama with the glyph rules might be cooking
Target farm by bringing ballista for the ko
Surely this wont cause chaos in the ffa world
plush gull
farming base boss for keys to do hardmode is very annoying tho
was a massive pain last league
why not just add some harder content people can play as much as they want? colo is good for it but i would appreciate more content
naive lake
2% GE tax killed Oathplate smithing method big F
plush gull
did anyone in here hear any complaints about colo mechanics when colo was added? i wasnt here so idk. but i doubt it. its crazy how good colo is compared to everything else, like jagex hired a consultant or something
true talon
2% GE tax killed Oathplate smithing method big F
nah reduced the profit by 1%, didnt kill it lol
naive lake
nah reduced the profit by 1%, didnt kill it lol
lol it didn't reduce profit by 1% that isn't how math works my guy
true talon
did anyone in here hear any complaints about colo mechanics when colo was added?...
Many people complained about colo.
wave 1 shards, affix problems like balance between doom scorpion/bee's/totemic
restive siren
2% GE tax killed Oathplate smithing method big F
should selfadjust. shards will become cheaper when nobody buys them anymore etc
naive lake
1% tax to 2% tax makes the tax doubled
plush gull
Many people complained about colo.
wave 1 shards, affix problems like balance be...
o ur right i forgot doom scorpion existed
tacit pendant
Collos old clickboxes
true talon
lol it didn't reduce profit by 1% that isn't how math works my guy
if you got taxed 1% now your taxed 2% thats 1% less margin thats how math works lol
true talon
Collos old clickboxes
This
tacit pendant
People were mad about invos existing on it. Some still are
restive siren
if you got taxed 1% now your taxed 2% thats 1% less margin thats how math works ...
it really isnt
true talon
if i tax you on 100 dollars by 1% its 1 dollar, if i tax you 2% its 2 dollars
plush gull
Collos old clickboxes
current hotboxes*
thats the thing, they still havent added shadows to minitaur or manticore despite admitting people pointed out hitboxes in playtestinf
true talon
explain how that math does not math?
naive lake
you are ignoring supply cost bro
plush gull
also tbf the snake in inferno still has a worse hitbox than anything in colo did
naive lake
If you don't understand I'm not going to teach you how math works
true talon
you arent taxed on the supply cost, because your buying the mats. tax is only applied to selling of items.
naive lake
1.6m tax turned into 3.2m tax when margins were already slim
frozen lion
can you make official channel for trading outside shit GE then now
naive lake
I swear to god you're trolling right now
restive siren
if i tax you on 100 dollars by 1% its 1 dollar, if i tax you 2% its 2 dollars
lets say you profit 1M per imaginary sale of a 100M item. that sale includes a 1M tax. now the tax is 2M. meaning you dont profit anymore at all. it didnt reduce your profit by 1%
naive lake
thank you
small anvil
prices will just end up more volatile
the swings between instabuy and instasell are already bigger
tacit pendant
Margins will just increase
small anvil
lol imagine thinking a 20m profit in a single trade exists
tacit pendant
lol imagine thinking a 20m profit in a single trade exists
I mean you can with like scythe day trading
But you could also just lose
true talon
So because you are taking advantage of a volatile market to make a profit with unstable prices on the cost of materials, you are mad that your now not gonna make as much money as you were before. lol
tacit pendant
Yes
frozen lion
Probly jagex mod on alt account
true talon
Dont want to use the GE and pay the tax then go trade in person
frozen lion
with this logic
plush gull
the example was 30m buy, 50m sell
message was this:
if you buy something for 30m and sell it for 50m you are making 20m profit, reduced by 200k from taxes
with new taxes u r making 200k less which… huh ur right? 🤔
small anvil
also like your math on 1% of 50m is off
tacit pendant
Smithing isnt dead, it might be wonky today, but itll adjust
plush gull
cuz i meant to actually explain it lmao
knotty herald
this is not stonks
plush gull
so ur profit is reduced by 500k
- 500k
so 2.5% worse not 1%
@true talon
small anvil
grimys will just lose value
frozen lion
this tax change will make bigger difference between in price between "raw" items and complete products
plush gull
thats the math that was wrongn
small anvil
but yes, buying inputs to process and sell outputs
now requires more margin
tass is an ironman who like doesn't really care
true talon
so ur profit is reduced by 500k
+ 500k
so 2.5% worse not 1%
<@16601365469147...
50m sale with old tax is 500k, with new tax its 1m your losing 500k extra from the original sale. meaning if you sold and item an profited 20m you would now return 19m instead of 19.5m
small anvil
no point talking to them
the point being made is that it is more than 1% of lost profit
plush gull
50m sale with old tax is 500k, with new tax its 1m your losing 500k extra from t...
yeah so its 2.5% worse in this case (double what it was before)
small anvil
when you're buying inputs and selling outputs
plush gull
rather than 1%
true talon
yeah so its 2.5% worse in this case (double what it was before)
yea it is
small anvil
things will adjust
true talon
this is not stonks
Looks like you just cleaned herbs and paid 835k for 60k herblore exp, nothing wrong with this.
knotty herald
if everyone just pays 1% less for the raw materials they'll get their margin back
additionally if everyone just charges 1% more for their goods they'll get their margin back
small anvil
like there's 0 shot tass will engage with this in an intellectually honest manner
knotty herald
it's easy just pay less and charge more
plush gull
all the gear in this game is so expensive i just wanna speedrun inferno with 99 def
small anvil
people just need to not do the cleaning for a bit
and the price will drop
and supply of cleaned will drop too
and the spread will be larger to compensate
knotty herald
I dunno the experience is worth something on its own
See uncut gems and Tassili's point up here
small anvil
herb xp from manual cleaning has never been worth that much
it's usually been a profit to process grimy to clean
knotty herald
for things that don't give XP like putting the herbs in vials of water the margins should heal pretty fast
small anvil
not enough people want to break their wrists doing it
rather than like making prayer pots
plush gull
i hope this game learns some lessons from ffxiv in terms of gearing up for content and just doing it
same with story/level skips
true talon
Im glad jagex added the freest CA' points to the game since mass nex
left atlas
i hope this game learns some lessons from ffxiv in terms of gearing up for conte...
That is a whole different beast... throwing out the old BiS gear every 8 months sucks
true talon
i hope this game learns some lessons from ffxiv in terms of gearing up for conte...
You do not want to take this approach in a game like osrs, it only works in wow and ff14 because the items are 100% drops and the raids have lockouts.
plush gull
That is a whole different beast... throwing out the old BiS gear every 8 months ...
not when u can sync down to do content literally 1:1 bis with free gear
true talon
the gear is also bound to your character
hard axle
That is a whole different beast... throwing out the old BiS gear every 8 months ...
It is ass and I have played more games that are now dead than ones that respect your old progression
knotty herald
For most things, you don't need the highest end best-in-slot stuff unless you're also speedrunning, lower-end setups will do fine
hard axle
and are still alive
hard axle
For most things, you don't *need* the highest end best-in-slot stuff unless you'...
You should always be at least sinking the old items and the new items shouldn’t be required for completion either
Cuz that inadvertently cuts the bridge off
knotty herald
For sure
hard axle
I’d daresay I’ve seen more about MMOs than most and what works long-term and what makes it a temporary cash grab
and replacing 1:1 is the WORST dogshit balance in the industry
It results in the game losing players if they don’t play right after release (FOMO) and the developers having to add catch-up mechanics that ignore old content
-
always consume older items to increase stats
-
make the new items useable without the older ones and not too rare because it eats up the older content
-
never require new items for completion
basic rules of longevity
left atlas
The gearing cycle is probably my biggest gripe in FFXIV, but I am a slave to it... love me some shiny weapons 
analog crow
Yeah one of osrs's shining design accomplishments is keeping older gear relevant
frozen lion
WoW's gearing is one of worst
i remember shadowmourne being replaced by some green weapon 2 lvls higher in cata
tender harness
why are you pinging a mod who had nothing to do with yama. are you 
plush gull
yeah afaik yama wasnt playtested and nox is a skilled playtester who playtested colo and is playtesting delveboss but not yama
kinda hyped for delve boss if anyone who worked on colo is working on it
tho the mage rewards are pretty lame imo im a main so i can pretend theyre raw gp
also they might not be that bad, gloves switch is pretty powerful and frees up helm slot to just be mage hat without losing 31 blowpipe max hit in cox
well 32 with boots
guys is it safe for me to look forward to delve boss? doing that for yama kinda ruined my life
should i have no expectations instead?
restive siren
its never safe with any game update 🤷♂️
best to keep expectations low and you can only be happily surprised
stuck heath
Why isn't avernic on the increased item deletion. Instead of addressing the other two raids shitting out purples
knotty herald
Is that the full list we know
plush gull
it didnt seem line a full list
charred halo
@tender harness didn't realize it was illegal to ask a question. im sorry your highness, I'll ask for your personal permission next time i have a question.
restive siren
Why isn't avernic on the increased item deletion. Instead of addressing the othe...
ye imo they should put some ToB purples on there, in the end we dont know if the list was exhaustive. still a 45M item versus a 9M fang though so
tacit wharf
full list of item sink
stuck heath
I'm talking the increased item deletion they added
knotty herald
or a 9m piece of armor that's 4 times as rare as the 45m item in the same chest,
plush gull
lemons talking about mod ashs list today
tacit wharf
<@157876168198979595> didn't realize it was illegal to ask a question. im sorry ...
its about not pinging mods unless they are actively in the chat chatting or replying ot one of there msgs
plush gull
it seemed like it might be cut off and just be a few examples
restive siren
damn 7 trillion GP in items removed
stuck heath
I accepted that Justi is and always will be useless. So I don't expect anything from it
charred halo
its about not pinging mods unless they are actively in the chat chatting or repl...
its a QUESTION, am i meant to ask some random in here that has absolutely no clue? this whole high horse nonsense of telling someone they cant ask a direct question is a little weird and entitled.
tacit wharf
its a QUESTION, am i meant to ask some random in here that has absolutely no clu...
just passing along the msg mate, no need to get the panties in a bunch
charred halo
you should check the context of that message, its regarding a "bug" not an actual game question
i understand if your comprehension is a little low though 🙂 have a good day
tacit wharf
i mean could give you quite a few more exmaples if u want, or just ping pingu and they could tell ya
analog crow
Game bugs are reported in game
upbeat moss
the worm, shards and catalyst contract fights the same, right?
restive siren
its literally in the screenshot
the ping was about this though #game-update message
maybe im misunderstanding smth
restive siren
the worm, shards and catalyst contract fights the same, right?
yerp
upbeat moss
This fight is intended to give you much-needed practice for the toughest Contracts of Worm, Catalyst and Shard Acquisition, but you’ll receive regular loot.
So there's the answer
restive siren
ye the answer is in the blog
charred halo
the ping was about this though https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/4...
at zero point was i pinged to not directly ask a jmod a question, his screenshot isnt even reffering to my original comment
upbeat moss
In the blog post
upbeat moss
at zero point was i pinged to not directly ask a jmod a question, his screenshot...
There's your answer btw
Read the blog post, don't ping jmods, and be nice
charred halo
There's your answer btw
yeah it doesnt fit into any of those contracts though which is why i asked after going into it. and after watching jraze just before its nothing like those contracts
upbeat moss
yeah it doesnt fit into any of those contracts though which is why i asked after...
Did you clarify that issue at all?
"quick question with the pineapple contract yama, is it a specific contract it mimics or random?"
Because your 9 messages in here don't look like you did
charred halo
Did you clarify that issue at all?
as i said it's a question, i wasnt reporting a bug
at zero point did i say there was a bug with it
i was curious so i asked
upbeat moss
I'm not saying you did
analog crow
How about we start over
upbeat moss
Agreed
charred halo
quite ez to find these msgs
ah yes, because im actively searching for "am i allowed to ask a question" you need to just stop. if you have an issue with someone asking a question maybe you shouldnt be in a discord 🙂
upbeat moss
Bro chill lol
restive siren
btw i asked in jrazes chat, he said the pizza contract is the same as worms/shard/cata
so nothing appears to be bugged 👍
tacit wharf
no im just saying if u didnt believe me, u have other sources of people (chat mods) saying it as well
all im saying
charred halo
so nothing appears to be bugged 👍
as i said, i never mentioned a bug lol. i tried duo worms earlier before the pineapple contract and they just didnt feel even remotely similar
upbeat moss
From what you're saying, it sounds like you're encountering a bug, that's all
That person is just clarifying
restive siren
as i said, i never mentioned a bug lol. i tried duo worms earlier before the pin...
can you explain what the differences were?
charred halo
at zero point, have i mentioned a bug. all i did was ask whether or not it mimicked a contract/which one
upbeat moss
at zero point, have i mentioned a bug. all i did was ask whether or not it mimic...
This fight is intended to give you much-needed practice for the toughest Contracts of Worm, Catalyst and Shard Acquisition, but you’ll receive regular loot.
knotty herald
you should check the context of that message, its regarding a "bug" not an actua...
i think we read this and thought
that was yours and you weren't talking about the post you were referring to
charred halo
can you explain what the differences were?
during worm it doesnt follow you into melee distance, i went into pineapple contract (no gear on) and it followed me as if it was the sensory one which a friend also looked at and same things. hence why i ask if it was a specific contract or not
knotty herald
and we should've disregarded the top half of the screenshot talking about the bug that said not to ping jmods
prime cypress
my conclusion with the glyphs from todays update:
If you kill the demons with ANY of the methods - regardless of which glyph is currently active, you get 2 ashes. e.g. purple glyph is active (kill whilst bound) im getting 2 ashes whilst killing with soulreaper axe
so its currently NOT giving any indication that you're doing the correct thing for the glyph.
charred halo
that was yours and you weren't talking about the post you were referring to
yeah that screenshot wasnt even a reply to my original comment which is why i dont get why it was screenshot and replied to me
upbeat moss
Just showing a chat mod mentioning to not ping jmods. Just passing that along
plush gull
why dont they add the pools to pineapple contract (and make it a permanent unlock)
tender harness
<@157876168198979595> didn't realize it was illegal to ask a question. im sorry ...
its common sense dont ping a mod who isnt even actively talking let alone who had no involvement with yama
bloody moron
upbeat moss
Yeah, insults are bound to help
they are
plush gull
i made pizzas in f2p to afford my first bond, spiking the margins on those might help with bond inflation even tho pineapple pizza is members?
tacit wharf
hence why i stopped replying
sacred oracle
charred halo
<:Dentge:1286773588585873448> its common sense dont ping a mod who isnt even ac...
you need to chill out frodo baggins, you act as if im supposed to know exactly who worked on what.
plush gull
wait i just went outside why are yall still talking about fatal pinging nox
what was fatals question about the 300k orb cost pizza contract with 100 buy limit that is annoying for irons again? i forgot
tender harness
anyway. why are they upping the GE tax but not removing the 50% reduction for irons on deaths coffer
seems a little dumb
sacred oracle
If you don't know who worked on what, why would you pick a random mod to ping?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
It's not that big a deal, but it's puzzling
Okay time to check on the price of pizza
big day for pineapple
tacit wharf
i got a better solution, instead of hc's turning into ironmen when they die, instead wipe their bank and stats and make them start back over at lvl 1
analog crow
Could pizzas be the new royal road to bonds for f2p friends?
tender harness
idk just seems dumb lets remove more gold but not actually target irons who are sitting on like
heaps of gold
by making them pay full for deaths coffer
meme but irons getting off scott free again
plush gull
i wonder what conversation happened at jagex to decide that “oh uims can just bring green stacks of noted pineapple pizza, everyone has those” to become “taking feedback”
tho how many pineapple contracts can u amass per hour without spending tons of gp or competing with people? if u can get like 10k contracts per hour it might be a reasonable solution, seems like its just a 300k contract thats annoying to get tho
plush gull
Could pizzas be the new royal road to bonds for f2p friends?
i mean even without this update pizza making was already kinda the best method
theres generally good margins on at least some part of the process
sacred oracle
I assume it's just hard for irons to get gold
tender harness
it really isnt though once they get going especially gauntlet and beyond
sacred oracle
They can't sell things on ge, so they have to get gold as alchs or as actual gp drops
Not that I care remotely about irons, I just assumed it was the reasoning
tender harness
its dated reasoning from when iron gameplay used to be kind of egregious
with the bajillion sources of alchs. and gauntlet or wildy agility
they kind of shit out gold
small anvil
coffer lets them sink items
true talon
meme but irons getting off scott free again
lol irons dont sink gold anyways or even add it. we mostly add items.
Id love if irons could sink gold for mains
all death's coffer spent by irons should go to purchase of removing items
i woulda removed a tbow by now for sure
small anvil
irons are already sinking items into deaths coffer
plush gull
ime irons have too much gold to use normally
if i have 5m in ferox coffer on my uim how do i use that to fight hardmode yama? and how long does it take
tender harness
do people not realize that wealth transfer from irons to mains are a thing
holy
frail bough
yeah its usually more limited cause typically you dont go back if you're finished but yeah every single dupe typically gets dropped over for bonds or some other reason
upbeat moss
And then those items get taxed as they get sold off for bonds
analog crow
Buying bonds also sinks gp
tacit wharf
taking some of the money from deaths coffer to "buy" items out of the ge, would help that though
analog crow
or does it
upbeat moss
And then another 10% of the bond price to give it to the iron
tender harness
but to say irons contribute nothing to the economy just isnt true
when they do just not directly
upbeat moss
Oh wait can't they buy bonds straight from ge
tender harness
yes. UIMs no IIRC
plush gull
its true that tons of irons alch their avernic hilts and have too much raw gp to do anything with tho
tacit wharf
shhh ren
plush gull
answer my question about uim pizza and ill be quiet for 30 seconds just for u 😘
hard axle
Just fyi, until they make sinking items more valuable, unless it has a 3x ge price over street price, most wouldn’t even consider sinking items 
tender harness
4bil tbow cant wait
tacit pendant
Uims are what 1% or less of all accounts?
tender harness
uims arent real so they dont matter
plush gull
ok what about regular iron tho
tender harness
sorry lily
plush gull
my message wasnt relevant to uims specifically
hard axle
I’ve mentioned before how they could rework it so items are encouraged to be sunk over
Gp
tacit wharf
most dont sink big ticket items, but will sink those 1-10 mil items they can get reliably to a certain coffer amount
plush gull
its just the only iron gamemode im interested in personally
hard axle
which involves making death fees double what they are now, but making items sunk for 200% of their ge value as well
analog crow
Anyone making an uim is signing up for the jank
true talon
which involves making death fees double what they are now, but making items sunk...
ya this is pretty good, but not many people die tbh as compared to trading on GE
hard axle
ya this is pretty good, but not many people die tbh as compared to trading on GE
Of course not
This is just an extra measure
plush gull
the new quest dscim is gonna make uim so good
no need to worry about items, just yoink 50k from ferox coffer every time u lose ur shit and then go back to doing colo naked
tender harness
nah what should be done is if an iron dies sell off all their assets and de level them and start them over on tutorial island
icy relic
I have 200m cash on my iron
plush gull
tbh they should get rid of children of the sun prereq and start new accounts at colo lobby
icy relic
and over a bill in alchs
tender harness
totally normal right?
tacit wharf
nah what should be done is if an iron dies sell off all their assets and de leve...
hc, right?
tender harness
ofc
plush gull
i mean irons can just deiron whenever they want so of course theyre part of the economy just like everyone else right
icy relic
I mean you can but why
plush gull
why are we talking about irons again
tacit wharf
quitters deiron
tender harness
and throw some rage bait as incentive if they die telling them sorry you just werent good enough to avoid that 1 hit from the furry in colo
tacit wharf
like wildy death msgs
tacit wharf
they gotta make sure they say to what as well
gotta find those that die to those muggers
plush gull
ok but like how do irons convert gp to pizza contracts and how many per hour can they get
also if they dont use gp how many contracts per hour can they get
charred halo
If you don't know who worked on what, why would you pick a random mod to ping?
why would you call your isp/phone provider when you have issues/questions? it's not like anyone of the people you talk to are the ones that "made" the product? (not a dig at you but it seems like commense sense you'd ask someone that works for the company that sells a product/service) 🙂
plush gull
fatal ur question was mostly ok just dont engage with them, try asking ur question again without pinging nox instead
tacit wharf
when ren gets it but someone else doesnt
upbeat moss
The questions been answered for a while now
tacit wharf
🤯
tacit pendant
Ironmen should not be permitted to own land tbh
Not taxed, remove voting right
Update. Camping nox halberd for bodied blows is easy money. Like 2.5 mil an hour this shift
analog crow
Tax the poh
A coffer like kingdom to use it
analog crow
Update. Camping nox halberd for bodied blows is easy money. Like 2.5 mil an hour...
gz
that's about the same gp/hr as mining infernal shale
tacit pendant
I want to try that one tommorow
plush gull
The questions been answered for a while now
what was the question
upbeat moss
what was the question
Regarding the pizza contract.
Whether it was supposed to mimic a specific contract or a random one.
In their experience, it seemed different than the worm contract. (Not reporting a bug)
It is the same as the worm/shard/catalyst acquisition contracts. (Mentioned in the blog post today)
pliant haven
Acquisition contracts for horn and Oathplate are impossible still
tender harness
and water is wet more news at 11
tacit pendant
Tbf this 100% should have been fixed today
Like, today is "fix contracts" update day
vernal valve
Acquisition contracts for horn and Oathplate are impossible still
they seem entirely possible on paper, they're just egregiously overtuned & absurdly expensive to grind out now that the cheaper options are heavily nerfed in comparison
afaik there's still no confirmed clears for them, but i'm assuming they're waiting to see how things shake out before tweaking them
untold imp
how long after a poll does a uptate come?; wondering about the clue poll
frail bough
Could be a day, could be a year
upbeat moss
It'll probably still be a while until the clue change
untold imp
😦
untold imp
they kinda have the technology for the clues tho from leagues
but without the restrictions
upbeat moss
Yeah so maybe it'll be quicker. I'd guess a couple more weeks tbh
untold imp
im hoping for next week 😄
i dont know anyting else thats on the way thats not a big uptate atm, and poll 84 is alot out already
but we can only wait :/
frail bough
Next week would make me so happy
tidal oar
Any news on fixing volatile staff spec at Yama
tacit pendant
Whats wrong with volly?
Last i touched it was on release and it was dece, nothin crazy
tidal oar
When you use it at Yama it's nice but then when you Re-Equipped purging staff you have to manually select your auto cast (not the end of the world) but it's quite tedious to be doing that multiple times in a fight since surge potion and deaths charge X2 allows you to spec attack quite frequently
limber briar
didn't they say it was fixed in the blog?
tidal oar
They did, but the blog has that point removed from it I believe ? I also just tested it in game and it's still not working
Edit: perhaps it's still bugged but I'm just curious if the mods still intend on changing it or not
limber briar
Think i'm wrong on them saying they fixed it, I see them saying "fixed an issue where staff special attacks would consume special attack energy even if you were out of range due to range reduction effects like myopia or sensory clouding".
tidal oar
I remember reading their blog as soon as it dropped about 10 hours ago and they removed the point talking about allowing you to use volatile / Eldritch spec at Yama without having to reselect demon bane on purge staff
tacit pendant
I think thats probably working as intended unfortunately. Theyd have to add arceus autocast to volly for it to work the way you want
tidal oar
I'm not sure though, because eld/vola spec don't require you to be on any specific spell book or require any runes to cast it's special attack
tacit pendant
Granted who cares if literally anything gets arceus autocast, because purging passive is needed for any of it to be relevant
Its because you are equipping something that can autocast, but not the spellbook you are on. Lunar staff does the same thing
tidal oar
It's just weird to make Yama susceptible to Eldritch / volatile but then make it tedious to use
tidal oar
Hitting 124s are so fun
tacit pendant
I think the average hit is something like a 45? Which is just under the expected hit of a burning claw spec
tidal oar
That's nice
tacit pendant
But its almost 2x spec energy
And 5tick not 4tick
This might be a hot take, but they could just let weapons always keep their autocast until changed... even in pvp.
chrome lantern
Really what needs to happen at a minimum
Weapons need to remember attack style per weapon, not per type of weapon
And you can include autocast in that
Like if I put my ballista on accurate for TDs that shouldn’t put my ZCB on accurate
Same with my emberlight and voidwaker
Elder maul and obby maul
And same with these magic weapons
Maybe set a global option in settings that selects the default when you get to a new weapon if you really need to
tacit pendant
But also pvp and pvm should have the same autocast functions
tidal oar
I'm not debating its usefulness
vivid ruin
Jegix make soulflame useful pls
tacit pendant
I'm not debating its usefulness
True, and I didn't need to go down that rabbit hole. Autocast stuff is very annoying
tidal oar
All good, we both just passionate 🤝
pliant haven
Jagex the horn sucks still
tacit pendant
Wait til somehow the new varlamore t65 spec weapon pulls ahead of claws with horn
meager flame
i think honestly the autocast things are just because jagex wasn't robust enough with how they did weapons remembering attack styles
they basically divided up weapons into categories that remember what you did last but they dont have enough of them for how people actually play the game
so sometimes they have two things in the same group that realistically nobody really wants that way
and you've gotta go out of your way to remember to setup an autocast again or swap the attack style because of it
frozen minnow
Quick question, are the double ash drops in the Chasm not dropping for others?
I’m getting double ashes every kill even without following the sigils, but it sounds like others are getting none.
tacit pendant
Its been all over the place all day
zenith pike
@austere mulch thanks for fixing the horn dark man
slender vapor
Man, with how many people are crying about 1% GE tax, just be thankful we didn't get what rs3 just got dropped on them
Most of the premium bosses in that game just saw a 30-70% cut on every single thing they drop
rustic chasm
I think the Yami pet is missing an emote in the latest update
He has them all but the Stand up straight/Pose emote
plush gull
its kinda sad that jagex made contracts even worse with this update. now its 6m to be able to do the acquisition contracts which are the most fun. unlike before you cant do worm acquisition for the same fight
tacit wharf
interesting
small anvil
you can do acquisition fight for the pizza price
plush gull
it doesnt have the same mechanics
minor whale
It's gonna be 6 months from now and this is still all this channel will be about
Every 2 hours Ren will come in and say "why do I have to spend $400 USD per day to try out these acquisition contracts while 1hp Dharoking :((("
lament peak
Most of the premium bosses in that game just saw a 30-70% cut on every single th...
Jagex mentioned drop table changes coming to osrs too 
im not even done with Vorkath yet 😭
meager flame
they're probably going to improve rates where they're just kind of nuts
and nerf stupid things like
soul wars
rates are a little trolly and jagex is super hands off in a lot of small and large places
sorta surprised they haven't already gotten to it
slender vapor
In terms of GP, every day Zamorak drops:
A total of around ~31.18 billion GP in the form of alchables: 8.2 billion GP in the form of Small Plated Orikalkum Salvage. 6.5 billion GP in the form of Huge Bladed Rune Salvage. 7 billion GP in the form of Hydrix Bolt Tips, if high-alching. 9.48 billion GP in the form of Onyx Bolt Tips, if high-alching.
Per day btw
slender vapor
meager flame
they just cant help it they have to make skilling supplies or skilling products come from anything that isn't skilling
they just cant stop
rain fulcrum
they just cant help it they have to make skilling supplies or skilling products ...
Well have you seen the public reaction when the drop table is ass for non uniques
meager flame
its generally fine as long as they dont make it also ass for uniques
they seem to struggle with that hurdle though
rain fulcrum
Idk TDs comes to my mind as a mob that had very balanced rates
And people still bitched
I think they added more alchablea to that tho
meager flame
it wasn't very balanced though
slender vapor
I've seen quite a few people 3k dry for their first synapse
rain fulcrum
Arguably too high
meager flame
its not 1 in 250
rain fulcrum
For 1 of the 2 drops it is
slender vapor
And some people end up with 10 claws 0 synapse
rain fulcrum
1/500
meager flame
yeah see
meager flame
multiple slayer tasks to maybe go on rate for 1 item
rain fulcrum
You have to put that in the context
meager flame
not so great anymore
slender vapor
It's a demi boss
meager flame
yes thats true
vernal valve
I've seen quite a few people 3k dry for their first synapse
this is literally 6x rate though, this isn't reflective of the rates being bad, this is just the reality of the fact that some people getting turbo unlucky on drops without bad luck mitigation is sort of inevitable
slender vapor
Not a normal mob
meager flame
it is the same rate as a whip
rain fulcrum
You can easily bang out a task in a day
meager flame
however
rain fulcrum
And it gives cracked weapons
meager flame
what you're not picking up on
is that tds have 600 hp
and abyssal demons have
150
rain fulcrum
Probably kill a td now in avout the same time as killing Abbysal demons in slayer tower in 06
Synapse is NOT a long grind
And TDs profit is already way higher than it should be for the level of difficulty of the mob
Burning claws are arguably too good
But nooooooo the mob has to also drop alchs!!!
meager flame
im ngl this is kinda crazy at this point if tds are too easy to drop loot
we have a lot of drop tables to go delete
vernal valve
im ngl this is kinda crazy at this point if tds are too easy to drop loot
yeah man that's just hella not what he said actually
meager flame
he said the gp/hr is way too high for the level of content
the rates aren't balanced well but somehow they're valuable
rain fulcrum
TDs are the only mob that gives boss tier loot
rain fulcrum
Their profit isn't anywhere near tds
meager flame
yeah but thats because they're a decade old
they're also a lot more reasonable in general than tds
like
meager flame
the only real reason the td profit is so high
is because we just got a demon boss and because the drop rates are honestly super stingy for the amount of time people spend
otherwise
they wouldn't be worth much
rain fulcrum
The fact that ppl have to buy 2-3 of them does a lot for the price too
Same thing for zenytes but it's not as rare
slender vapor
TD's are 300k hp for 1 average drop compared to 72k for a whip or 114k for a zenyte
meager flame
i think the biggest thing is that jagex is trapped in a sort of amusing cycle with drops
where they seem to be like
trying to avoid doing skilling supplies excessively but they also dont want to do uniques at a rate that would make it okay to honestly kinda drop nothing and they also want to avoid just doing straight alchs for gp inflation
vernal valve
TD's are 300k hp for 1 average drop compared to 72k for a whip or 114k for a zen...
TDs have specific mechanics that significantly increase your damage output against them, and even if this wasn't true, this is a straight up lie
meager flame
what they seem to want to do is just drop nothing and also have bad rates on uniques
vernal valve
claw and synapse are both distinct drops, so it'd be 150k
slender vapor
You need 2 claws for them to have any value
rain fulcrum
No you dont
meager flame
claws are also just a consolation prize
rain fulcrum
You can sell it on the ge
vernal valve
You need 2 claws for them to have any value
even if we're going with this stance, 300k is just wrong
slender vapor
500 x 600 hp
meager flame
you truly didnt get anything you cared about unless you're an ironman
vernal valve
500 x 600 hp
that is the rate for a single synapse, yes
rain fulcrum
1.1m HP for a hydra claw 🙂
vernal valve
let's just go to figures that are real instead of arguing over whether synapse is the only drop they have
meager flame
i wouldn't say that hydra drops outside of uniques are fucking cracked
vernal valve
here's my question
What is, in your mind, the hours to get a TD drop? And what would be a reasonable figure?
meager flame
hydra is one of those examples where they get away with bad unique rates because the other loot is just great
slender vapor
slender vapor
Going on rate for hydra claw gets you 100m raw cash 3m in prayer exp, and countless herbs
rain fulcrum
Right so they made td have bad drops and common uniques
But that was not good enough and people complained
meager flame
they buffed unique rate too for the claws
vernal valve
yeah that was hella a mistake i fear
rain fulcrum
Well claws in general are fucked
Because they lied about where they would sit
In terms of progression
meager flame
the claws kind of suck but are also kind of good which i think is kind of the point
like
they're good when they're good but they're not going to be good for a lot of stuff people do with spec weapons
they're really only good for bosses and when they wont phase to immune or remove the burn or die
for everything else like pvp or slayer or whatever they're trash
unlike the other great spec weapons
rain fulcrum
That's what happens when youre alongside a much better chase item that you need more copies of
slender vapor
You need 2 synapse and 2 claws
fossil epoch
realisticly you only need 2 of each
rain fulcrum
3
slender vapor
Third synapse is a weird cope
vernal valve
Ooooh wooweeee 1/500 for 6m
idk how to tell you this but i think this is just irrelevant. If you're a main, the drops are still more consistent than a lot of comparable moneymakers/hr, and gp/hr + consistency of that GP are the real relevant metrics. If you're an ironman, you want the claws anyway, who fucking cares what they're worth
slender vapor
You can switch them for like 5k
meager flame
ya i have 3 but i could just rotate one of them into any weapon in like 5 seconds
fossil epoch
but a lot more people are getting 0 burning claws and 2 synapses
slender vapor
No content uses mage and range demonics
rain fulcrum
Also you're fucked if there's ever range mage hybrid demon content
meager flame
i mean thats probably incoming
rain fulcrum
Pretty sure you actually use both for one of the Yama contracts?
fossil epoch
Also you're fucked if there's ever range mage hybrid demon content
then you buy the 3rd?
meager flame
there is another demon boss they've been cooking
rain fulcrum
Cuz you scorching the boss
vernal valve
on rate for ironmen 2 synapse + burning claws are like 20 hours, pretty good considering how good the items are
slender vapor
No one uses scobo at yama?
meager flame
its probably going to be tbow vs scorching bow with the purging staff and shadow floating around
rain fulcrum
No one uses scobo at yama?
You do for one of the contracts
vernal valve
No one uses scobo at yama?
scobo for chase contract is used
not mandatory, but makes it way easier
slender vapor
For the 16 people running contracts
vernal valve
yeah it doesn't really matter
rain fulcrum
It's for the cosmetic one which is much more than 16
meager flame
but yeah i just think they're gonna go into the tbow niche and maybe want the purging staff to have more than 1 use in the game
vernal valve
3rd synapse is currently a meme and if you end up needing it you can just go back and farm it
meager flame
and thats where the delve happens
total guess though its just the obvious sort of
where the hole in their niches is
rain fulcrum
Like I said though the synapse is also just obviously the better drop
meager flame
yeah i mean if you're a main getting the claw drop isn't even really getting a unique
its more like a please dont quit killing these things drop
where you're sort of coping that at least something happened
lmao
icy relic
2.1k hydras no claw 
rain fulcrum
Bclaws was always going to have to be cheap cuz of the goal of having it be a budget dclaws
But like dclaws aren't expensive...
icy relic
burning claws are sick
meager flame
i mean d claws are kind of expensive but also are cheap
osrs is weird now
theres a bunch of people out there that think 60m is a lot still
icy relic
💀
fossil epoch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/874696636914352229/1374972271138963506/im...
Thats a weird choice, why not pick the synapse instead?
slender vapor
Yeah, quit choosing the claw drop
vernal valve
Thats a weird choice, why not pick the synapse instead?
fairly common skill issue i fear
you see it all the time in CG
meager flame
id be kinda curious to see the stats and listen to jagex talk about just how much gear there is now and what their players have been up to for the past decade
part of the reason it all looks so crazy is that they managed to keep a lot of us actually doing bosses and chasing things for that long
lol they probably dont really like what a max bank will cost you now but i have no idea what they can even do to bring people back to earth
rain fulcrum
It's always going to go up as new contenr comes out but that's fine...
meager flame
yeah but like just as a game in general
rain fulcrum
Like 80% of it is frivolous shit anyway
icy relic
yama done minus pet in 729 kc 
meager flame
a new person that looks at this game and wants to do raids and get the best stuff
they used to look at it and see the need to make a few hundred mil maybe and there were options for like 3m+ gp/hr in the game
rain fulcrum
I think you'd need to calculate it adjusted for inflation
Cuz like max is more expensive now
rain fulcrum
But everything is 10m/hr
meager flame
they're also staring into the abyss of a 14b bank
or more honestly i'd have to add it all up again
rain fulcrum
14b sounds really high
meager flame
i mean for like absolutely max
even the little things
it may be different now though
prices do change
but either way
the cost of getting max has obviously increased faster than our gp/hr has
which is fine for people that kept playing
but idk that shit probably looks insane to a new person
icy relic
eh, came over from rs3 a year ago and I have 4b bank on first time iron already
I hate megarares as a concept but if I deironed I'd have them all
fossil epoch
i would argue it only becomes cheaper to max over time
icy relic
you can make a shitton of money way earlier than ever before
meager flame
i mean max gear tab not max cape
meager flame
sorry i should've used a different word lol
meager flame
you can make a shitton of money way earlier than ever before
this is what i mean though actually
you can make more money faster than you could before
but you also spend more money than you did before
a lot more
slender vapor
Revs into nex into burnout pipeline, the osrs 'meta' gold per hour experience
signal oyster
Soulflame horn is going to be less than 1m within the year. Supply >>> demand
rain fulcrum
I love horn but it's going the way of lb and fang
It's just really hard to avoid having the more common and less useful drop plummet
meager flame
its probably going to be worse than those
signal oyster
horn is 40% of the uniques coming from yama...
meager flame
its actually just not even good
rain fulcrum
Which is kinda why rhese wide drop tables don't rly work
meager flame
at least fang and lb can be used
rain fulcrum
Horn is good
signal oyster
horn is amazing, just way oversupplied
meager flame
other than alt methods with horn how many places are you using it
vernal valve
Which is kinda why rhese wide drop tables don't rly work
raid gp/hr being 80% concentrated in megarares is honestly just so sad to see
signal oyster
literally any and all group content
meager flame
did they do something to buff it from its previous state
vernal valve
no
rain fulcrum
Every new group boss because jagex will make them 500 defense and max reduction in 1 maul
meager flame
because before it was borderline not even worth the effort
now if they actually let it buff the claws first hit
rain fulcrum
You tried doing Yama duo without horn?
meager flame
that would be very different
rain fulcrum
It's ASS
meager flame
yeah but most of the time the hammer math is pretty close to not being a gain in the first place
you need odds of the hammers not landing to begin with
vernal valve
the value of guaranteed hammer is pretty overblown
rain fulcrum
Consistency is nice
Especially for newer bosses cuz jagex cranks up the defense then also only lets u use 1 hammer
vernal valve
bc other than Yama, places you actually hammer are places where you'd actually be able to hit consistently with just a raw accuracy roll
rain fulcrum
Guaranteed zgs on muta too surely it's used there?
icy relic
I've missed too many bgs on zebak
meager flame
their big problem is that on average
vernal valve
I've missed too many bgs on zebak
it's prob worth in team toa in certain loadouts ya
but who isn't just soloing it
rain fulcrum
It's definitely better than bgsing in toa
meager flame
the cost of horn > hammer would result in on average
icy relic
I refuse to solo toa, fuck that place
meager flame
more than 1 hammer hit
rain fulcrum
Not even close, maul caps it guaranteed whereas before u can't even maul
meager flame
if you just were to swing 2 hammers
its nice for people mentally though to make it 100%
but math wise its not too good
icy relic
it's not op but it is better
rain fulcrum
The consistency is just nice
icy relic
the fact that it exists will also matter for future content down the road
meager flame
honestly its main niche right now
icy relic
unless you are the tonalztics of ralos
rain fulcrum
And it'll continue to be good in all group content basically since now u can maul even if the boss has incredibly high melee defense
icy relic
hopefully Jagex stops making shit that absorbs def down though
vernal valve
And it'll continue to be good in all group content basically since now u can mau...
this presumes that future group content is designed in a way that allows this
icy relic
if we can expect bosses to be hammerable by default
vernal valve
can't wait for jagex to refuse to give horn use cases bc it'd be too good for a 500k item 😭
icy relic
it would be good as shit on nex if like... it didn't have any of the weird restrictions
meager flame
i think they're just going to have a crazy problem where
icy relic
where you can't scythe and you can't drain it
meager flame
they realize people are using the horn with other accounts
icy relic
all the stuff people were hyped about doesn't work
rain fulcrum
The fact that they nade it not work with claws is stupid
signal oyster
can't wait for jagex to refuse to give horn use cases bc it'd be too good for a ...
^^^^^
rain fulcrum
They even like implied it would work before we voted
meager flame
like right now if you solo yama
vernal valve
they realize people are using the horn with other accounts
yama solo horn alt meta is already here
meager flame
your alt should run in and horn you
vernal valve
lmao
icy relic
weighed against the value of just throwing another bclaws spec
vernal valve
the alt can just horn -> elder maul -> die
you can use your spec on dps specs
if he only has 3 items he just respawns outside anyway
you dgaf about acc bc the maul always hits
slender vapor
can't wait for jagex to refuse to give horn use cases bc it'd be too good for a ...
Gotta nerf occult for giving 3 max hits for being too cheap, ignore strength ammy that gives 3 max hits but it's even cheaper
rain fulcrum
Well you would have it spam horn 4 times right
vernal valve
not sure if that's better than it throwing in a maul swing over you doing it
meager flame
im pretty sure we're just in for weird horn rules for the rest of time
vernal valve
but u get the idea either way
icy relic
the only real crazy application of horn was if it worked with all the scythe hits, which we knew it wouldn't
rain fulcrum
Oh right
meager flame
horn is also peak alt scape for corp sadly
icy relic
but that was the only thing that would change the meta because it would let you scythe nex
rain fulcrum
Can't have cool tech
meager flame
its interesting though they took out all of the legit uses that players would've had
but we can run wild figuring out how to use alts with horns that part they just let roll
rain fulcrum
Guessing it would just be a pain to balance scythe on anything though
icy relic
but in their efforts to preserve the price of torva by defending nex's "integrity"
they just smashed its price with oathplate anyway
meager flame
tbh at this point
they might as well make horn breakdown into oathplate shards
to put a floor on its price
icy relic
the one time I feel like a gigachad for not having avernic so torva helm doesn't give me a max hit
signal oyster
12
vernal valve
you should be able to staple 2 horns to your oathplate helm
each one giving +1 slash acc
slender vapor
Ngl, torva really hasn't even dropped that much as a full set
meager flame
ya i think torva is low key fine
slender vapor
Oath plate barely dented its price