game-update

[meager flame]

bro i played wow for 20 years and read like

[hollow jungle]

i read all the new text but i got confused by the wording of the ca 😦

[meager flame]

0 quests

its just the way of the mmo

[upbeat moss]

Ban quest helper and make all quest dialogue non skippable

[wild badger]

Imagine the riots

[winged mantle]

Nty

[upbeat moss]

They'd only riot if a plugin told them how and what tiles to use

[rugged star]

Combat tasks hasnt processed?

[winged mantle]

Foiled

[bronze kernel]

Taxation is theft!

[sacred cove]

Jokes on you, I can't read

[knotty herald]

this + ban the clue helper's puzzle box solver

[upbeat moss]

Unironically tho.

[wild badger]

Let's not say crazy things now

[analog crow]

I got someone in my clan who claims that the Inferno "forgot" about his access rights after the update and he had to sacrifice another fire cape

[wild badger]

Tbf 15 years ago I used to solve the puzzle boxes with no issues , now look at me 😭

[plush gull]

such a small update 😦 more expensive contracts and worse merching on midgame players selling their banks for contracts

[winged mantle]

Clues would be dead if that were the case

[meager flame]

i solved coordinate clues in game

[winged mantle]

I'd vote for the removal of clue puzzle boxes. 🤝

[meager flame]

never again

[upbeat moss]

Do something other than complain. One time

[wild badger]

As long as the one hour despawn timer stays I'm happy

[upbeat moss]

Get 1 more kill and it'll update and get the KC tasks if you have that kc

[candid tartan]

I failed the Shadow Dancer task because a wave passed over me while I was being teleported between phases - has to be a bug right?

[meager flame]

osrs honestly was crazy on dialup and not knowing anything back a million years ago though

[wild badger]

When I was doing my champions cape grind I had 26 medium clues on the ground at one point

[meager flame]

it was an experience having to figure out clues as god intended

[prime cypress]

"In the case that you don't receive a Contract upon killing a demon with the eligible style, you'll get a second Ash drop to let you know you’re killing them correctly."

Im killing black demons on the red glyph with a soulreaper axe but not getting "a second ash drop"

[valid relic]

remember sitting there trying to line up the horizon with the sextant lmao

the good ole days

[meager flame]

ya lol

[plush gull]

paying to fight bosses is the stupidest system ever

and this update does virtually nothing to make anything better

[analog crow]

I hope you find something to be happy about 🙂

[upbeat moss]

Say something positive

Once

[plush gull]

yama is such a disgusting update 😭

they should remove it from the game, it depresses me

[upbeat moss]

Certified complainer

Holy

[plush gull]

im right tho

[upbeat moss]

iM rIgHt ThO

[analog crow]

Do youself a favor and quit the game
It's obviously just causing you grief

[plush gull]

bruh leave me alone, say something useful about the update instead

[upbeat moss]

No u

Go kill normal Yama 1 time

Go kill zuk 1 time

[plush gull]

you dont even play the game and ive killed zuk over 20 times

[upbeat moss]

On leagues lol

[plush gull]

bruh you just made me remember i need death charge

when i get wave 4 skip at colo i dont even have spec for another DCB spec

why isnt death charge tradeable??

[upbeat moss]

Ignoring firemaking update in favor of Yama complaining

Rip

[plush gull]

55m for 50 bloodied blows contracts

but also looks like only mage doesnt splash

why is this update so gross

why cant they do more to address contracts

[frail bough]

Excited to kill yama when i decide to get out of bed

[wild badger]

Bro can't kill green dragons and is complaining about Yama Lmfao

[plush gull]

how can u afford contracts?? are u gonna do the pizza one

the interface to give contracts is so annoying

[upbeat moss]

Insanity tbh

[analog crow]

Sad to see

[frail bough]

Idk why mods actually allow this. Literally insane

[tall kelp]

Clicked on the profile and it explained a lot

[wild badger]

Maybe a lvl3 skiller is more your speed yeh?

[plush gull]

how many contracts have yall bought

[frail bough]

I shall make another mod mail once i get up

[vivid ruin]

Look up "ren ren ren" highscores and boss kc

[hazy zodiac]

sooo effectively gave the sensory clouding and bloody blows boss fights less hp, but made p3 longer.... smart smart

you took the annoying bit of the fight and made it even more annoying

[tall kelp]

A lot is empty?

[analog crow]

No, they addressed the complaints from the community in a good way

[wild badger]

If y'all keep dogging on jmods they'll eventually stop communicating with us and the game will be worse for it

[plush gull]

if you bully people and silence them giving useful about updates the game will be worse for it. are you projecting?

[fossil epoch]

NGL i was looking forward to ren's reaction to this update

[plush gull]

its a very small update

[fossil epoch]

they didnt dissapoint

[upbeat moss]

"useful"

Lol

[plush gull]

theres not much to say except people will keep complaining about contracts as long as they are more expensive than orbs

"Better than awakeners orbs" lmao

[meager flame]

i think the hp increase is kind of okay for everything but glyphic attenuation

the p3 hp increase i mean

[fossil epoch]

Love the bloody contracts though

https://i.imgur.com/mbSrZJf.png

[vivid ruin]

Since when was trolling useful??

[meager flame]

400 more hp on top of what was already like ~1k hp

is a big addition

[plush gull]

did u take ur sara sword to demons like i joked about

[prime cypress]

the price of contracts reflects how many people are going for them currently

not how easy they are to obtain

[analog crow]

People were saying that p3 was good but p12 were a slog, so they moved more of the fight to p3. A W in my mind

[wild badger]

Nah bro just go play RS3

[fossil epoch]

https://i.imgur.com/vfGuUHP.png

[prime cypress]

orbs are worth as little as they currently are because less people are going for blorva

[plush gull]

bruh the contracts are actual trolling like seriously

who designs fights just not to let anyone play them???

[meager flame]

yeah but nobody said please make p3 take forever and a half

[plush gull]

its a video game

[tall kelp]

L take

[meager flame]

it was already challenging

[prime cypress]

contracts will be worth way less than orbs next year or so

[meager flame]

people were saying make p1/2 take less time

we'll see though

[silver steeple]

are we getting more then just yama updates this year?

[meager flame]

it just seems like hitting a phase with an almost 50% increase in hp is

quite the jump

especially when its the hard part

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-git-gud-gif-16530511115199627055

[fossil epoch]

You mean like a GE tax?

[silver steeple]

whats a GE?

[prime cypress]

there are for sure issues with contracts, i dislike the fact theyve implemented another orb system for a hard mode boss, it should be a 1 time use with no teles out and increased death charge or something.

[analog crow]

I'm looking forward to the reactions from the elite gm pvm god gnomonkey

[fossil epoch]

Place where you can decant potions

[winter hearth]

It's closer to 20% for most of them no? ~1040 -> 1250

[silver steeple]

nardah?

[prime cypress]

but to state that contracts are worse than orbs because of their cost is completely detatched from the issue

[meager flame]

yeah most of them are fine i think

[upbeat moss]

No but it fits their story better if they lie

[meager flame]

its just glyphic attenuation is 1031 to 1437

[analog crow]

You can get a contract in 5 mins from demons, it's really not an issue imo

[meager flame]

like i said though earlier i think the others are mostly okay

[plush gull]

why do i have to pay £25 an hour on top of base membership to fight bloodied blows?? and why wont jagex refund me over this

[upbeat moss]

HAHAHAHAH

LOL

Kill literally 10 demons

[prime cypress]

its mostly just farming them en masse thats the issue

[silver steeple]

joke aside thats a patch not an update 💀

[winter hearth]

Valid, the damage bonus given to the player was also increased at higher Prayer bonus thresholds with the update today though. HP increase is valid but I think there's a DPS increase that erodes it somewhat

[nocturne solstice]

How are you paying 25 pounds an hour?

[upbeat moss]

Pingu pls

[analog crow]

I think if you spend 1 hr farming them you'll have enough contracts to do a decent number of attempts

[prime cypress]

also ive been killing black demons for 5 kc roughly 30 mins and the glyph hasnt changed, ive also only got 1 bloodied blows

[meager flame]

yeah i think most people were just completely ignoring the prayer thing previously

[prime cypress]

65kc*

[meager flame]

if its a big big deal now it might not be as bad as it looks

[sand gazelle]

Buy limit for contracts moved from 50 to 5? I think I know what you meant

[nocturne solstice]

If they're just making stuff up and being disruptive then that's well, disruptive and I'll ask them to stop.

[vivid ruin]

Ren rwt

[upbeat moss]

They've been saying the same thing for 2 weeks straight

[analog crow]

just read the logs and you'll have your answer

[sacred oracle]

i'm making pineapple pizzas

[plush gull]

when is there a fix for orbs tho thats what im unironically about to wipe my bank on 😭

[sacred oracle]

i'll be rich—rich!

[obsidian venture]

Decent update. Thank you for listening. Still surprised that the acquisition contracts are still more annoying for folks not trying to go for a cosmetic

Should be the other way around really

[plush gull]

i just calced the bond price from wiki with 50 * bloodied blows contract price

[analog crow]

wouldn't more common aquisition contracts pressure the price down for oath?

[plush gull]

tho tbf ur not even allowed to buy 50 an hour cuz of buy limit

which is also bad

not even allowed to do the fights at all

[wild badger]

Oh my god

[slender linden]

ur so weird

[frail bough]

Please

[wild badger]

How can one person whine so much

[slender linden]

unbelievable

[obsidian venture]

Only if it was completed consistently

Which it isn’t

[analog crow]

yet, right?

[obsidian venture]

As it’s harder in general

Not yet

[analog crow]

or did they not change the aquisition conrtacts at all?

[proven cape]

anyone know what the tile ragging mechanic is that was removed from shard acquisition

[obsidian venture]

They changed the tile thingy

[meager flame]

tbh i dont want to doubt players because some people get really good

[winter hearth]

HP on them is lower

[plush gull]

they removed literally the only fun mechanic from some of the cheap contracts lmao

[obsidian venture]

And ye

[meager flame]

but idk how many people will really consistently beat what we were seeing

it might be different now though

[lament eagle]

is the demon sigil style update working?

[analog crow]

So I assume people will figure them out

[obsidian venture]

Pretty much

[plush gull]

does the pizza one have the black reentry orbs

[slender linden]

my old GE listed items have 0% tax somehow instead of 1 or 2

[obsidian venture]

Would guess a small group really

Which is ok ig

[analog crow]

endgame should be small group

[prime cypress]

ok so issues:

• glyphs dont look like they are rotating - ive been stuck on red glyph for the past 36 mins/ 73 kc
• none of the yama CA's were filled in retrospectively (KC/ speed etc.) this was a standard that has been set for the past few PVM releases
• there is no "second ash" drop whilst killing the demon with the correct style

[dawn kettle]

Little sadge about the bonfire burn rate. Expected it to be a little faster. Now it's too slow, shame.

[meager flame]

yeah but by small group we're talking like

idk if this is even really considered a group

[obsidian venture]

No one really knows how many folks are in that group tbf

[upbeat moss]

#game-update message

Regarding the second point

[obsidian venture]

More like a handful

[analog crow]

only jagex knows how many contracts are being completed

[sand gazelle]

GE tax now 2%???? 😱😭

[prime cypress]

cheers

[upbeat moss]

Isn't it the same speed as before? Just full xp now?

[dawn kettle]

Nope

[knotty herald]

this is good for raid uniques

[sand gazelle]

Freaking democrats in power at Jagex

Yeah I’m just messing I think it’ll be good overall

[plush gull]

bruh bloodied blows contracts up went more than 10% since i started complaining 🤮🤮🤮🤮

[analog crow]

better hurry up and buy then

[plush gull]

my 25 pounds reddit post isnt even accurate anymore how much does it even cost to play the game??

im dead

[compact flicker]

1 bond per 14 days, or 20 for a full year

[meager flame]

im always a little surprised at the ge tax reactions

[compact flicker]

Simply pvm enough

[meager flame]

i shouldn't be since i know it'll happen but lol

[neon gate]

36464747 greater demons

[wary hill]

Every update tonight basically came from Reddit's top post haha great job team. Should put Reddit on the payroll

[neon gate]

647383 lesser demons

Poe bullshit still in osrs

[meager flame]

i imagine most people are playing the game and kinda looting drops

[neon gate]

Awakener orb feedback entirely ignored

[meager flame]

it helps them

[neon gate]

Again

[frail bough]

Feedback like what

[meager flame]

im really curious about the pineapple pizzas thing lol

[neon gate]

A nerf was priced in, now with Cas and contract rates not being changed they are going to tear

[meager flame]

its actually a little funny if you need to get those for each attempt

[sand gazelle]

Is pineapple pizzas payment a one time perma unlock??

[meager flame]

like the gameplay of getting those yourself is not good but its not that slow either

[hazy zodiac]

clearly a jmod has been stocking up on them to merch them on update day ( )

[neon gate]

We have the most competent mods of all time

[upbeat moss]

No

[sand gazelle]

100 pizzas per attempt….. the freak

[nocturne solstice]

Inb4 yama is the one merching pineapple pizzas

Gets em for free, beats our ass, sells the pizzas back to us

[sand gazelle]

Wait didn’t it say plain pizza?

Not pineapple

[nocturne solstice]

pretty sure it was pineapple

[knotty herald]

[frail bough]

Dudes fighting for his life out here. Let him request a little pizza

[red scroll]

pineapple

[fading maple]

demons are not dropping double ashes to verify theyre being killed by the correct style

[sand gazelle]

I read wrong

[still sundial]

100 pineapple pizzas per attempt
regular pizzas are for the CA as the only food allowed

[sand gazelle]

Ahhh that’s where I got confused

[plush gull]

bruh bloodied blows contracts are more expensive now than day 1 when i did my first attempts :/

[meager flame]

lol its like

funny toxic

you can go make that many realistically but lol why

[vernal valve]

already saw someone say it was "unpolled"

man how do you expect a "should we increase GE tax" poll to go LMAO

[compact flicker]

Crunchy

[frail bough]

Honestly the most crazy thing about this update is that i learned you can make pineapple pizza with slices instead of chunks

[meager flame]

my main request honestly i think if they're gonna roll with 100 per attempt

[tender harness]

So why are people mad about this update

[meager flame]

buff the pizza shop stock please

[oblique mesa]

and take away a new low level money maker??

[obsidian venture]

The gm time is interesting

[upbeat moss]

Contracts still exist and they fooled themselves into thinking the complaining has been enough for jagex to remove them basically

[tender harness]

Nerf the pizza shop stock please

[meager flame]

5 per hop is a bit too crazy for the joke

[knotty herald]

jalapenos please

[upbeat moss]

ca times being averages is interesting

[plush gull]

contracts double the price of orbs

😭

its so cursed i wanna vomit

[sacred oracle]

begging you to find something new to talk about

[upbeat moss]

Can't believe I have to get a second job to be allowed to kill the boss

[vernal valve]

go kill giant mole until contract prices drop

[sand gazelle]

This has solidified I won’t be doing them now as I continue going for oathplate 😅

[shadow fiber]

pls jagex add a new pizza vendor that has unlimited stock but sells at 100x the price

[dawn kettle]

The speed at which logs are added to the bonfires is way longer. In the blog all that was stated to change was the xp to match the standard way of making fires. With that info, I should be getting 503,600xp/hr with 1400 logs/hr. But the time to add logs to the bonfire has dramatically increased - only getting 233k xp/hr. It's not what was described in the blog post.

[upbeat moss]

It was always gonna be lower XP/hr than lighting lines

[vernal valve]

can't wait for the Shady Pizza Merchant to get added in 1.5 years as part of a QOL update

[frail bough]

Xp in relation to per log

Not xp rates

[slender vapor]

I'll take less exp per hour for no more of this 30% exp per log shit

[upbeat moss]

Well good because that's what just happened today

[meager flame]

its definitely the way its supposed to be now

less exp/hr same per log

[tender harness]

Cas not activating retro is funny

[neon gate]

Contracts are staying expensive for a while

[oblique mesa]

which log you using?

[dawn kettle]

Not clear in the poll question. That's my point.

[sacred oracle]

tbh i don't really understand what the bonfire update is trying to say

is it meant to be an xph buff? a nerf? the same?

[upbeat moss]

Do I have to pull up the poll question now

[sacred oracle]

yes, i am too lazy to

[tender harness]

delete contracts you cowards

[upbeat moss]

How is this not clear

[frail bough]

😂

[dawn kettle]

Basic, stop with the tone.

[upbeat moss]

I'm genuinely asking

[meager flame]

yeah that question is brutally direct lol

[frail bough]

so direct it hurts my ego, at least make me work for it a little bit

[sacred oracle]

my eyes start to swim while reading it

[neon gate]

28374748 black demons

26363 lesser demons

192836473 greater demons

[sacred oracle]

i don't understand the point of this adjustment is i guess my real confusion

[upbeat moss]

Im beginning to think these counts are real

[sacred oracle]

it looks like it's just shuffling numbers for — what?

[meager flame]

oh

[upbeat moss]

For the logs thing?

[meager flame]

its so you can casually train fm without having to pay more to waste more time if you mean the logs

[sacred oracle]

wasn't it already lower xph than lighting manually? so what was the adjustment for, to buff the rate or lower it further?

that's the part that i didn't understand from poll question

[meager flame]

its so that you didn't have to pay for more logs to get 99

[upbeat moss]

It gave 30% of the XP per log

[meager flame]

while also going slower

just going slower was enough

[sacred oracle]

oh so it has nothing really to do with xp, it's just about resource usage

[meager flame]

the 30% per log was insane

[upbeat moss]

Now you get the same XP per log
But the logs per hour of lines vs bonfires is the only difference now

[dawn kettle]

Literally DOA update

[sacred oracle]

so irontent basically

[meager flame]

its more like

just anyone afking fm

[upbeat moss]

Right

Good change

No need to poll it imo

[sacred oracle]

i suppose if you like bonfires

[frail bough]

afk to 200m so you get pet rate increase

[sacred oracle]

i don't actually like bonfires

[tender harness]

I like how they ignored the criticisms with contracts and doubled down on current acquisition though

[sacred oracle]

i am in the minority tho

not everything needs to be afk

[upbeat moss]

Then don't do them

It's that simple

[meager flame]

i mean they didnt really double down

[tender harness]

Yes they did lmao

[frail bough]

they gave a way to practice and repeat contracts 🤷‍♂️

[meager flame]

they massively buffed contract acquisition and basically yeeted their original intended time sink with it

[vernal valve]

they took basically all feedback except "delete contracts"

which if we're being honest about it was never going to happen

[meager flame]

i dont really like it the way it is

but they nerfed it by an incredible amount already

[tender harness]

The fact they had the gall to say it was better than awakeners
And then release it in the state it was in

They would had been better off deleting contracts

There is also zero reason Yama shouldnt be the primary source of contracts why the fuck am I killing half a billion demons for them? Why isn't Yama the better source

[plush gull]

they took none of the feedback, they just made contracts more common from demon demon farming (which is a main complaint a!!) and added a new contract where u have to buy 100 pizzas every time

like wtf lmao

[vernal valve]

whether they blow or not they just weren't deleting them, like that just wasn't gonna happen

[plush gull]

they havent taken any feedback on contracts

[upbeat moss]

Me when I ignore shit

[meager flame]

tbh they might've been able to leave the original rates and just say bring me 5 of these for permanent access to the ones that dont award tradable loot

they cant do that now of course but

[tender harness]

They would never do permanent access

[plush gull]

its crazy u dont even play this game and u spend all day pinging me about my kc and stuff while calling me the troll

[meager flame]

the rates were bad enough that it would've taken awhile to get each one lol

[plush gull]

i didnt have u blocked yet but idk why i didnt

[upbeat moss]

Lolololol

[dawn kettle]

Insufferable

[sacred oracle]

I mean, it is kind of trollish to say things that are completely untrue and just ignore it when people explain to you why they're not true, and then keep repeating it over and over and over every day

It's not great

[plush gull]

name one thing that I have said that is not objective fact

[sacred oracle]

I didn't have to scroll up

[plush gull]

they took none of the feedback, they just made contracts more common from demon farming (which is a main complain!!!) and added a new contract where u have to buy 100 pizzas every time

[valid relic]

they added the ability to practice contracts for 100 pizzas

not a new contract

[tender harness]

Contracts are dog water
Acquisition method sucks - Yama should be the better source not random ass demons being killed in specific ways
Oathplate shards should have been untradable
Pet contract not applying to both players is ?????

[plush gull]

no one gave feedback on that tho, theres already people asking about permanent unlocks and pizza vendors

[valid relic]

sure I just saw you say new contract twice so just wanted to point out that part

[plush gull]

also me asking if it has the re entry mechanic which nobody answered

[meager flame]

hopefully they look at the pizza vendor and consider increasing the shop stock is all i can pray for

[frail bough]

haters will say its fake

[sacred oracle]

And then it literally lists the many and varied changes made to contracts based on feedback

This is what I mean

[meager flame]

hopping for pizza is bad

hopping for 5 pizzas

lol

[plush gull]

also 100 pineapple pizzas is still 100k with an effective 100 buy limit

its basically just another contract

too expensive

[sacred oracle]

You keep saying things that aren't true, are easily verifiable to not be true, but you just keep saying them anyway and ignoring all facts to the contrary. That's one of the reasons people are reacting poorly.

[plush gull]

imo

[sacred oracle]

Can take that on board if you want

For me, it's nap time

[tender harness]

Oh still no fix for staves losing autocast on death

Jagex plz

[plush gull]

i have said nothing but objective fact. you literally didnt say anything and just screenshotted a blog post that says "based on my feedback"like are you trolling??

[shadow atlas]

second Ash not working for me either, though i am seeing it change as expected

[upbeat moss]

They didn't remove contacts or refund membership, so obviously they're not listening to feedback!

[plush gull]

again are u trolling?? i already addressed those points like contracts being made more common from demon farming, and demon farming being the main method is one of the main complaints

[sacred oracle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I tried

[meager flame]

i mean i can kinda see where everyone is trying to come from

they just increased the amount of contracts you can get which is addressing some feedback

[frail bough]

You are stating that they didn't address any complaints while also explaining some of the things that were changed based on complains, while also managing to ignore half of the blog post.

[meager flame]

but they also kind of ignored that the main method to get them to begin with

is not very ideal for a lot of people

like sure you might get more but

people dont really want to sit killing demons generally

idk what they can do to solve that if they plan to

[vivid ruin]

Imagine being a troll and asking people if theyre trolling

[frail bough]

😄

[vernal valve]

tbf this was kind of inevitable

"wait and see" never really made any sense with contracts before release

bc once they're out, jagex is very limited in what they're actually willing to do to tweak them

[meager flame]

i do feel like it was just cover to put off the reaction

[vernal valve]

and honestly what we've already gotten is more than I would have expected

[meager flame]

just being realistic i dont think it would be very honest for anyone paying attention to have thought it was going to go over well

[tender harness]

Literally say it with me
buff the Yama drop rate and nerf demons

[meager flame]

so i have a hard time seeing their delay in telling people as anything more than delay tactics

[plush gull]

its crazy that the expectations for jagex are lower than "dont design boss fights just to deliberately not let anyone play them"

why are they making a video game if they dont want people to play it???

[neon gate]

Unnamed jmod playing too much path of exile

He was just busy

[vernal valve]

yeah the jmods were probably aware it wouldn't go well but 2late to change it

[meager flame]

maybe they were somehow clueless but

i doubt it

yeah

[tender harness]

Why they actively refuse to make Yama the better source of contracts is wild

[upbeat moss]

Of course they want people to play they game! Don't be ridiculous now

[sacred oracle]

It doesn't really bother me that you get the contracts easier from killing other things

[upbeat moss]

They did also buff the dossier rate and number of contracts you pull from it

Could they go further with that? Sure, why not

[tender harness]

Dossier buff still doesnt make Yama better than demons

[plush gull]

its literally my main complaint about contracts, it makes no sense

like are they just not confident about the fights and they want them to be obscure because they're embarrassed??? that would still makes no sense

it makes no sense to design video game content just to not let people play video games

[meager flame]

i think they're just caught with a system that probably wont get the thumbs up until they essentially back down on every point of its design

and idk if they're willing to do that

at least its not as bad as it was

[frail bough]

Contracts just aren't for you - we get it, still.

[plush gull]

game not for me even though I pay to play it

???

[sacred oracle]

If we stop engaging, they'll stop talking

[frail bough]

We get it, membership is too expensive, still.

[sacred oracle]

We just have to be strong

[upbeat moss]

Actually not true

[frail bough]

No that's not how this is going to work because there are too many people in the server.

[tender harness]

Contracts are just a bad system but they arent going to remove them so

[frail bough]

It will be infinite rage bait infinite time until they get banned.

[tender harness]

Blocking them makes life easier

[frail bough]

or whatever kind of bait you want to call it i guess

[sacred oracle]

It's just so exhausting having this channel being almost nothing but ren saying wildly untrue things and people arguing with them all day

[plush gull]

where is project zanaris?? if theyre not letting people fight bosses on the main game and just designing dead content

[frail bough]

It doesn't though because then you have to deal with people responding to them who haven't blocked them.

It will literally never end.

[restive storm]

put on hold indefinitely

[sacred oracle]

Even if you block them, you still have the blowback of all the messages being about the person you've blocked

It's not a great situation

[plush gull]

bruh i addressed ur point like 3 times, im not saying anything untrue

people derailing this thread so much cuz they dont like me 💀

[frail bough]

So are we just going to block all the other people who are responding, thinking that they are commenting in good faith? I think that's not the solution.

[meager flame]

i mean

the solution is obvious

[upbeat moss]

Say something positive about anything in the game

[meager flame]

idk where those hammers are at now when theres a problem

[sacred oracle]

It's just so disruptive

There can't be any conversation in this channel except about ren at this point very nearly

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[plush gull]

would be off-topic but u can check other channels. this is the place to talk about the contract update which makes no sense

[frail bough]

We understand your concerns about not being able to afford contracts or membership, still.

[upbeat moss]

Lol okay

[minor whale]

I'm glad they fixed contracts to be less ass
Yeah the acquiring of them could be more heavily weighted towards Yama, but the multiple buffs along with their use slowly declining as people get Oathplate just means they'll be a portion of whatever death fee you're paying anyway

[sacred oracle]

What is the reason people want it to come more from yama? I've never gotten that complaint entirely

[restive storm]

i will hand it to ren that we all knew contracts were going to be a bad system, we told them that months ahead of time, then they come out and behold they're a bad system but not going anywhere lol

[minor whale]

If you are 1hp Dharoking contracts and crying that they're expensive I have a solution
Don't be stupid and don't do that thing that makes you die in 3 seconds

[meager flame]

realistically i think the actual point of contention at this point is just for the large number of irons doing the content

where they still have to actually get their own contracts

[plush gull]

i genuinely want someone to explain to me how jagex could design video game bosses for the express purpose of not letting people fight them

its so cursed

[upbeat moss]

I don't get it either

[meager flame]

they're the ones taking the L here

[sacred oracle]

ah, irons don't concern me

[frail bough]

but its not, you get literally a billion contracts

[sacred oracle]

i thought maybe it was a thematic thing

[frail bough]

AND you can practice

[meager flame]

you do not get a billion contracts

[frail bough]

No, you do

[minor whale]

Yeah all the Oathplate contracts drop by huge amounts

[plush gull]

💀 why would people who want to fight yama, want to fight yama

icant

[upbeat moss]

Then fight yama

[meager flame]

brother i have almost 800 kc and saved most of my dossiers for the buff

its not that many lol

[minor whale]

You can fight Yama all you want
You can't fight the hard mode Yama that is practice for guaranteeing tradeable drops all you want for free

It's like talking in circles with Ren

[frail bough]

They stated from the beginning, whether you agree with it or not, that demons are the way to target farm.

Theyare like 500% more common now

[plush gull]

bruh im literally talking about basic and tramayne acting like it makes no sense to want contracts from to yama which is your own complaint

[meager flame]

oh yeah i know im saying people who actually are forced to do that

[sacred oracle]

Demons being the source of them makes sense to me

[meager flame]

are the ones taking a loss

its truly not great

[minor whale]

It would benefit the entire channel massively if everyone just stopped responding but it's like asking you to bail out a sinking ship with a sieve

[meager flame]

and its the bit of feedback they're kind of ignoring

[sacred oracle]

If you want a lot of something, you kill regular mobs, not a boss, in general

[meager flame]

which sucks

[frail bough]

I mean you're not wrong but also there is this whole update they released today

[vernal valve]

i'm pretty sure on rate to completion you get a good amount of each radiant contract tbf, it's just very easy to go dry on 1 or get too many of another

[frail bough]

which fixes 99% of the issues

[upbeat moss]

My main thing is why do you give a shit about where they came from? You haven't even fought base Yama

[meager flame]

also the practice thing

that is actual pain atm

[tacit pendant]

Ge tax doubling is nuts

[meager flame]

the pizza guy only has 5 stock per world

[minor whale]

Yeah, you can focus farm specific contracts on demons, which while not as fun as killing boss, is an entirely viable acceptable strategy

[valid relic]

they should let us rob the mess hall for pizza

[plush gull]

ive posted clips that total like 10 minutes of yama fights and discussed mechanics... why are u trolling me when u dont play this game... havent u actually not fought yama

icant 💀

[vernal valve]

tbf it makes sense, I just wasn't expecting it randomly on Yama update day, lmao

[minor whale]

Just think of it like slayer tasks for Hydra
I want to kill Hydra but I don't want to kill tiny things that aren't Hydra this is so unfair!
No, it's just the gameplay loop

[upbeat moss]

More contracts come into the game from them coming from demons, which will lower the price over time. Isn't that good for you?

[vernal valve]

the game desperately needs more item+gp sinks but the playerbase freaks out if any are ever added

[tacit pendant]

It does, shocked it was just slid in though

[vernal valve]

so might as well leverage the one that already exists ig

[meager flame]

im surprised that i was talking about it like

[upbeat moss]

Yeah sure, 1hp dh suiciding to an impossible contract on day 1. Gj

[meager flame]

a few hours before it happened

the ge tax thing lol

[sacred oracle]

I plan to be annoyed by the new tax, but if jagex thinks it's needed, I'll take their word for it

I'm just glad the cap of 5m remained the same

[meager flame]

it makes total sense though its honestly a very good idea in general

[sacred oracle]

If the cap had moved, I would have been more than annoyed

[meager flame]

like i probably would've never thought of it i would've just like

silently deleted items from the ge or something

[plush gull]

they wanted to make sure fang is +100k death fees

just to make content more inaccessible, same with contracts

[tacit pendant]

Does the tax being raised inherently mean they are also sinking more items? Like do they spend all the sunk gp on burning items or did the rate of buying items stay the same

[meager flame]

they added new items and changed others

idk if they actually tell us the fine details ever though

[upbeat moss]

Oh now death fees are bad too

[tacit pendant]

I saw fang will be sunk more often specifically

[upbeat moss]

Go figure

[sacred oracle]

I don't think we know what the percentage of the tax is that's used to sink items

So we don't know if more items are being sunk with tax doubling

[meager flame]

i mean its the logical conclusion

[sacred oracle]

We know for sure more gold is being disappeared from game, tho

[meager flame]

if you wanted to sink more items and also wanted to sink more gp

you'd just raise tax

and accomplish both

[sacred oracle]

Maybe they just want to sink more gold tho

I've no idea

[frail bough]

yeah but that gold is used to get rid of the items

[vernal valve]

pretty sure they said it's relatively low but not sure where I saw that tbh

[sacred oracle]

Oh, to be a fly on the wall at their meetings

[tacit pendant]

I guess time will tell lol

[plush gull]

we need ososrs if jagex is so hellbent on not letting people play the game and zanaris is paused 💀

[frail bough]

so increasing the tax increases the frequency of when they can buy items and sink them

[valid relic]

they paused zanaris? I missed that lol

[meager flame]

generally all they want to see happen is gold deflation and the value of 1 gp to rise

[tacit pendant]

I think so, but not necessarily?

[meager flame]

if they can accomplish that they've won

[upbeat moss]

Allegedly. No official statement

[frail bough]

its speculation atm, don't feed them plz

[valid relic]

interesting

[plush gull]

idk im just quoting what someone told me a few minutes ago #game-update message

[minor whale]

Just don't reply, if you notice they get more and more unhinged the less people pay attention to their insane ramblings

[frail bough]

yeah it depends on like how they actually distribute it still but i assume thats part of how it would work

[sacred oracle]

Yeah, I blocked them, and I encourage other people to do the same instead of engaging

We need to get control of this situation to salvage the channel

[frail bough]

I also recommend doing mod mail ❤️

[meager flame]

tbh

[sacred oracle]

I want to not dread coming into #game-update to try to talk about stuff any more

[meager flame]

the ge tax is probably still too low

but nobody wants to hear that

[frail bough]

I think you're probably right tbh

[sacred oracle]

That's probably pretty easy to say as an iron

[frail bough]

Oh its so easy to say 😄

MORE

more tax!

[meager flame]

i mean im a maxed main and iron so idk lol

[frail bough]

even with main things, i never even noticed tax tbh

[sacred oracle]

I hate the ge tax, I just take Jagex's word for it that it's needed

[meager flame]

ngl though i kind of escaped gp mattering awhile ago

[sacred oracle]

But it annoys me tremendously

[plush gull]

increasing the % without the cap just punishes midgame players who have to sell for new gear even more

[meager flame]

its just that in general if they succeed with what the ge tax could do

it will just mean that your drops and actions will hold more value relative to the things you want

and thats a good thing

[winged mantle]

Ge tax good, would be cool to have regular updates on how much is taken out of the game and how many items are deleted

[tacit pendant]

Not raising the 5 mil cap means flipping is significantly better on stuff over 250mil

[sacred oracle]

When we get the jagex wrapped thing at end of year, looking at the amount of tax you've paid is hilarious

and also a bit infuriating

[meager flame]

the problem with raising the cap is that you have to figure out how much to raise it by

you cant remove it

otherwise people simply wouldn't use the ge for large purchases

and you want people to keep playing in the ecosystem thats taxing them

otherwise you defeated yourself

[minor whale]

I would definitely like to see more regular "here's how much we've deleted and taxed" stats, it's both interesting and gives insight onto how deflationary it is

[upbeat moss]

#old-school message

[tacit pendant]

Tax cuts for the rich smh

[winged mantle]

Oh ty!

[knotty herald]

I dunno I kind of liked the old system of person-to-person trading

[meager flame]

i mean i definitely did

thats one of the most nostalgic things for me with rs

but osrs isn't like that at all lol

[tacit pendant]

Its def flawed, but funny

[knotty herald]

It for sure wasn't convenient but it let me know what was in demand

[minor whale]

You can still do that, it's just extremely inconvenient for most people

Especially rife with scams too

[meager flame]

yeah its just the like

feel of going to w2 falador park and knowing where every item is with infinite people spamming in their sections

[sacred oracle]

253k occult necklaces lmao

[meager flame]

its one of those things you just had to be there for

[minor whale]

The old "guy on other side of GE offering 500k for 12 burnt lobsters, meanwhile guy on other side selling 12 burnt lobsters for 100k" trick was so common

[meager flame]

people battling each other selling whip 3.3m and the guy next to him selling for 3.29m

while they were seeing who can type more words per minute

lmao

i almost think the ge should've only had the basics on it

rs definitely lost something

[frail bough]

definitely lost something, but for the better

[meager flame]

its better now when you need like

some runes or quest items

[valid relic]

bring back the trading post

[meager flame]

but the feeling of actually going out there to buy bigger purchases was different

[frail bough]

cook in house serves pizza btw

[meager flame]

it was just somehow cooler idk how to describe it

[frail bough]

you're welcome ❤️

[sacred oracle]

i would quit the game without ge for sure

there's no way i would track down people every single time i needed a random item

i can see the charm of the old way though

[valid relic]

it's not as bad as you think

[sacred oracle]

even though it's terrible

[vernal valve]

this is gonna be huge for a kourend locked ironman at some point

[sacred oracle]

no, it's exactly as bad as i think

i buy a lot of things, and i want them immediately

[valid relic]

but ge is turbo convenient

[meager flame]

ya the big thing a lot of people dont know/remember about how it really was for big items

[sacred oracle]

i bought 15 different items today just to do 5 of each multi wildy boss

[meager flame]

is that you knew exactly where they all were and you just teleported to falador

[late furnace]

its fun tracking down those items, or better yet, keeping them around. With GE you're entire focus is GP. ironman is deceptively fun.

[sacred oracle]

there's no way i'm gonna run around trying to find several different live people to sell me each of those 15 random things

[meager flame]

the ge is really good at giving you weird items like

oh i need iron nails for this quest

[sacred oracle]

yeah, exactly

[valid relic]

but it's not that bad to run to the sawmill

For something like that

[sacred oracle]

only nostalgia could make the other way seem like anything other than a nightmare for modern gaming

[late furnace]

or take an iron bar to an anvil.

[valid relic]

Most things like that have in game shops that work for it

[meager flame]

thats why i was saying it would've probably worked out okay if the ge had been allowed to have the basic items and they left the like

falador park items alone

the first ge was never gonna do that though

it was a big piece of how to delete free trade

but the osrs version could've been something else probably

[tacit pendant]

Increasing dex scroll sink rate aint gonna do anything

Like we all have rigour unlocked atp

[late furnace]

who is we all

[plush gull]

i dont, i think contracts should be removed entirely and not come from demon farming nor as a drop from yama. i was commenting on you and tramayne saying it makes no sense for people to want to be able to do the boss for contracts which is just 💀 and it was literally pyro who said that but they call me insane and make fun of my kc for it

its so cursed

[meager flame]

nah it'll help plenty of noobs

dex hit a point that was insane

[tacit pendant]

Very interested to see where fang and lb prices go

[meager flame]

i was literally giving them to people lol

[plush gull]

fang is already above 10m so its gonna be +100k death fees again

colo less accessible to new players

[vernal valve]

it was genuinely 6m for a minute

[vivid ruin]

Colo isnt for new players

[vernal valve]

literally faster to kill vorkath for rigour+augury than doing titans till scroll drop 😭

[plush gull]

yes it is??? its lower reqs than moons and the most fun earlygame content

[tacit pendant]

Ig it will make cox sliiiightly better

[frail bough]

lower reqs does not mean its for new players

[vivid ruin]

L0l

[frail bough]

🤦‍♂️

[vivid ruin]

[valid relic]

theoretically the wave scalability and being able to leave at any times does make it doable early to a degree

but not full runs or anything

[upbeat moss]

You cant say "I don't" after posting about it 2 times recently lol.
They were never gonna remove contracts, but have done quite a bit to make them easier to get.
You doing nothing to help yourself for the past 2 weeks doesn't help your case.

[meager flame]

yeah they did leave that bot niche for wave 1

[valid relic]

Could get a couple waves easily mid game

[plush gull]

they are literally more expensive than awakeners orbs

[upbeat moss]

They've been in the game for 2 weeks.

And usable for 1

[plush gull]

i think they should be deleted entirely and changed to permanent unlocks

[upbeat moss]

Noted

[plush gull]

also i think its unfortunate that the only feedback they incorporated from awakeners orbs was reward new contracts on completion, that does not address most of the concerns about awakeners orbs such as challenge runs

[upbeat moss]

And they attempted to address that today. Sure, 100 pizzas is kinda dumb, but to say it's not addressing it is straight up disingenuous

[plush gull]

200k

[tacit pendant]

Seems like kirbys getting acquisition contracts down now

[upbeat moss]

Still an attempt to address it. Surely it gets adjusted

[knotty herald]

Very reasonable

[upbeat moss]

Just because YOU don't like it, doesn't make it not true

ffs

[plush gull]

"surely everything gets adjusted"

[tacit pendant]

Might see a dip on the set prices if guides start getting good

[plush gull]

yeah i mean surely a video game dev wouldn't design bosses just to not let people play them but here we are

[velvet token]

Stop taking the bait basic 😂

[upbeat moss]

Yes, because it's still a recent update and things are still being adjusted

[tacit pendant]

Please save yourself the trouble and dont engage

[plush gull]

ur right thanks

[upbeat moss]

? I was trying to genuinely talk

[plush gull]

ok i mean

yeah i really hope ur right and they fix contracts next week

they didnt do much this week and they still havent fixed colo shadows after a year

[minor whale]

They're not genuine

"Colo is early game content"

And a person 1hp Dharoking the fight

Crying about it being a money sink

[upbeat moss]

Colo stuff irrelevant rn.
Did you read the patch notes?

You cant just say they didn't do much this week when they did. It's just not stuff you wanted specifically

[velvet token]

@plush gull quiver is just a Louis vuttion horse feeding bag

[plush gull]

im talking about not being allowed to play bosses

they made some slight design changes to the fights which i have mixed feelings about

but its hard for people to care about the fights when they cant even play them if they want to

[vivid ruin]

Quiver is for newer players

Avas assembler is end game

[upbeat moss]

Give it some time. The contract prices will go down eventually, along with the pizza thing (hopefully tweaked. 100 is funny but wtf)

[velvet token]

Ye good job I'm killin duke stack up the pineapple pizzas 🙂

[vernal valve]

i do think worm/catalyst contracts are in a bizarre spot now though

they kind of felt like the designated "practice for oathplate/horn contracts" contracts

[rare frost]

my guy

[vernal valve]

now there's not any way to practice those really without burning the actual contracts

[rare frost]

guys its been out like 2 hours pizzas arent gonna stay crazy high chill out

[vernal valve]

like it's still sort of practice, but the tile ragging is a big deal, lol

[rare frost]

im pretty sure the oath contract is designed around giga chads only and im fine with that

there is never a reason to "need" to do them

[true talon]

@winter hearth Morning, I wanted to ask a question about demonbane and the balance of melee vs magic, as it currently stands Dark demonbane being 5 tick and less max hits than emberlight is an astronimical DPS loss anywhere youd fight a demon, on yama its currently a 25% dps loss to mage over melee. while other demon related encounters are the same problem. is it possible to bring dark demonbane down to 4 tick to have all 3 demonbane weps on same playing field? i ran the calcs on yama and 4 tick demonbane would not uproot melee and it also has a very high cost attached to it.

[minor whale]

Bro it absolutely would be an absurd buff

[true talon]

Show me the numbers? because what i calced it is not.

How is making it on par with melee an absurd buff while not changing the meta?

Its currently on par with sorching bow without the boss having any indication you can range it

[idle rapids]

Players can no longer smuggle non-combat items into Soul Wars.
Damn I shouldn't have spread this around during leagues lol goodbye fletching exp while boosting sw

[tacit pendant]

pinging jmods to make a 70m harm staff is insane

[true talon]

no pinging jmod to ask a question and get their insight is what pinging them is for.

[tender harness]

insane like leaving crush on scythe

[true talon]

it doesnt make a 70m harm staff, you are stupid. lol

[minor whale]

On par dps with max melee emberlight after defense reductions while being WAY easier lmfao

[idle rapids]

Youre not supposed to ping Jmods just so ya know

[tacit pendant]

i mean a 4tick staff that autocasts standard and arceuss spells?

[upbeat moss]

Or call people stupid

[true talon]

You can ping them on update day.......

to ask them about the update

[tender harness]

you have enraged here Tass's calc doesnt

[true talon]

it dont matter for enrage, magic is already weaker in enrage by even more than normal

this change just shows that demonbane will finally be viable to kill demons and be on par with melee.

it also allows you to have role based gameplay

[minor whale]

BIS at K'ril by such an enormous amount it's laughable (this is AFTER all def reducing specs you can do lmao)

Like

This is such an awful suggestion

[true talon]

go to krill on arceus and lemme know how that goes

[vernal valve]

???

[minor whale]

BIS at Tormented Demons

[true talon]

How is this any different from emberlight being bis at yama by a large margin??? your literally proving my point

[true talon]

you need 2 styles at demons, emberlight damage goes up when you have 100% accuracy, please learn the mechanics of the game lol......

[minor whale]

This is normal, shielded (0 def) and unshielded

Legit this is one of the worst suggestions you've posted and you're saying it's not a huge buff when it's 25% better than it currently is at a place where it's ALREADY extremely viable

[true talon]

What is the max mage setup? also this seems insane but your saving like 1 second over max melee.
Yama your losing 1-1:30 minutes per kill

[tender harness]

Yama CA's arent retro

[upper lichen]

Memory unlocked: going on zybez in 2014 summer to find people who sell quest kits (= the items needed for specific quests)

[true talon]

Also that yama teleport scroll gonna go to the moon. they actually made it useful.

[naive lake]

I am very happy with the update but I think you really should have added BCP and Tassets to the item sink. They are well on their way to being alch price, its actually disgusting how much they crashed after Yama.

[gaunt kestrel]

Woke up to 2% ge tax. Incredibly based

Good shit

[thick beacon]

i think bandos already has good sink with torva just less ppl wanting torva now imo

[true talon]

Torva is what put bando's in the bin, because it was up keeping bandos.

so torva go down, bandos go down

I wonder if yama will actually phae at 66 and 33 now, since they added 75-50 to contract.

[frail bough]

already on there

or did they take them off

[naive lake]

So is the 2% going to allow them to sink more?

I assumed they weren't being sunk by the ge tax because they're already at the cheapest they've ever been

[frail bough]

I assume yes but we don't know for sure without specifics from the osrs team

[restive siren]

things can become a lot cheaper even though they sink it

supply and demand are still the main factors

[neon gate]

474747 lesser demons

[sacred oracle]

no, he isn't

i can hardly credit reading this chat history and coming away thinking your point was proven

it's not even a moderate buff you're proposing, but a 25% dps increase

it's not good

[gaunt kestrel]

you know its bait mox, dont do it

we must exercise self control

[true talon]

Why does the % matter when its 25% behind? your not understanding that bringing magic up to close the same dps as melee is not a good thing?

why does melee get to be 25% stronger?

[fossil epoch]

originally because you could chose any style against an opponent and melee had to stand next to it instead of safespotting

Today bosses are designed around being beaten with a specific style

So its a relic of the past

[true talon]

ya absolutely, but in terms of yama they both do the samething, one is just 25% weaker than other for no reason other than spells are designed as 5 tick, but the damage isnt balanced around 5 tick. demonbane is less max hits than melee.

[sacred oracle]

it's 25% stronger at a boss

that's fine

some weapons are stronger at some bosses than others

this isn't a reason to buff scorching bow

[true talon]

thats not the point there buddy, its clear yama has an intention to be maged or else his magic defense wouldnt be so low, what you fail to understand is that magic dps is lacking due to 5 tick attack cycle.

[minor whale]

Intention to be maged
Gains massive mage defense when maged solo
Ok 'buddy'

[true talon]

the 5 tick attack cycle is there as a relic of archaic system, not really a balance reason.

[sacred oracle]

okay

i've said all i will

[fossil epoch]

doesnt it seem like they wanted the duo to have 1 mage and 1 melee

players just dont do what jagex tell them

[true talon]

sorching bow is 8% worst than demonbane btw. while the boss has these stats lol.

[true talon]

They did, but you cant have this because the mage guy is shafted with 25% less dps.

As much as this discord screechs over role based gameplay, but the moment it involves anything other than then clicking between 4 tiles and doing bando's they are reeeeeeing saying its to easy to mage.

[sacred oracle]

why do you talk like this

[gaunt kestrel]

theres no roles in yama

otherwise it wouldnt be completable in solo

[idle rapids]

Tank & dps?

[true talon]

Ive seen nothing but complaints about role based team content? yet when jagex trys to add it, you are like oh well the mage guy should do 25% less dps while i run around doing bandos.

[idle rapids]

So tob also has no roles? lol

[gaunt kestrel]

not in solo, no

[dim ridge]

Hey jagex im not getting double ashes on melee sigils

[gaunt kestrel]

[tacit pendant]

Yama not being role based is a larger design issue, if it's an "issue".

[sacred oracle]

okay so maybe there's two people we shouldn't engage

[tacit pendant]

Always has been

[dim ridge]

jagex pls send double ashes your update no work

[gaunt kestrel]

tank and dps roles where you interact w the boss in the same way by stepping on the glyph

[true talon]

"you dont agree with me, so your my enemy" nice mentality to arguments and discussions lol.
"you are wrong, because you dont have a counterpoint to prove what the arguee is speaking on"

[gaunt kestrel]

yes very important roles!

[idle rapids]

Tank takes aggro… obviously

[tacit pendant]

Horner and mauler are the roles

[gaunt kestrel]

which people have been complaining has been difficult to control p1 and p2

[true talon]

There actually is roles on yama, just no1 will do the mage role, because flares arent contribution and magic does 25% less dps

[tacit pendant]

P2 tank is easy to control

[idle rapids]

People think that about akkha too, probably just need more experience

[tacit pendant]

Only p1 is random

[gaunt kestrel]

honestly tank role and dps role is a meaningless categorization

esp in rs

[idle rapids]

Do people not do splits? Lol

[gaunt kestrel]

where everyone tanks and everyone dpses

[tacit pendant]

And even p1, it does feel like southmost player is tank more. But thats not confirmed

[true talon]

This was more of a statement on why you wouldnt do mage roles.

Why limit your dps by 25% and deal with a harder enrage phase than just doing bando's with 2 people using melee.

You most the time wont even see a void flare with melee's dps

[gaunt kestrel]

but suddenly there are no roles at tob because i said there are no roles at yama

unfortunate

[austere mulch]

Not rly, in duos you just use glyphs to skip flares and you kill Yama before you need to kill flares on p3

At least in good gear

[vagrant harbor]

Does the person who did more damage have a higher chance of getting a unique? If so, Ironman would always want to meele

[true talon]

Correct.

[tacit pendant]

Yes damage = drops

[austere mulch]

Varies by gear and skill (to some degree)

[true talon]

Demonbane becoming 4 tick opens up the mage role

[tacit pendant]

But like on a macro level you arent necessarily hurt maging with mage vs maging with melee, if you are dead set on maging. Your contribution points per hour are similar - spawn and hopscotch time

[austere mulch]

Can’t just look at it under a microscope tho

Have to look at impact to other content

Unless you make a content specific exception

[true talon]

I did, it was a 1 sec kill speed at tormented demons increase and it is op on krill, but doing krill on arceus and giving up scorching bow is kinda trolling.

[tacit pendant]

The content specific exception is literally there, mage gets free 4t during p3 for 50% of the time as is

[austere mulch]

You wouldn’t give up scorching bow, you’d just spec and then go brrrt

Like you do with shadow

[true talon]

oh youd spec him with scorching and then demonbane him down

kinda good, but youd still have no sustain without ancients

[austere mulch]

Sustain is good value ye, think you get pretty good value from food drops alone tho. Idk, been awhile since I did zammy gwd

Inb4 we get bones to peaches expansion to work on ashes 🤣

[true talon]

Point is, demonbane 5 tick holds it back from ever being used. it has a less max hit and less accuracy than emberlight. the 5 tick is not a balance lever, but a design flaw from magic always being 5 tick.

[gaunt kestrel]

attack speed is absolutely a balance lever

see blowpipe and eye of ayak

[true talon]

If this was true, then why does demonbane hit less than 4 tick wep?

if it was balanced around a 5 tick attack cycle, the max hit would be around 85+

[austere mulch]

FWIW I don’t have a stance on it, really don’t care how it impacts demon based content because the only relevant demon bosses are cerb(kinda) zammy(lol) and Yama

[gaunt kestrel]

because they intended for mage to be weaker at the boss, obviously

[tacit pendant]

Could we please just ban talking about purging staff buffs in this channel. Its was a horse that was dead on a rival and its still being beaten. The update today had more interesting things to talk about.

[austere mulch]

And delve(probably) soon I guess

[true talon]

ya and it dont impact those to a degree in which it would be meta shifting, it doesnt even shift the meta at yama off melee, it just closes the gap slightly.

[gaunt kestrel]

not all weapons of the same tier are going to be the same

[austere mulch]

Yeah, like doubling down on horn being useless with claws

🥶

[tacit pendant]

My man

[true talon]

Didnt they make horn good with claws today?

Or am i reading it wrong lol

[austere mulch]

No, they just fixed a bug they had where it didn’t work with claws at all

[gaunt kestrel]

the sote buster that you dont use at sote because cba

😭 useless item

[austere mulch]

Having it work with the second accuracy attempt instead of the first makes it not worth using with claws at all

[austere mulch]

Sotetseg won’t know what hit him!

[tacit pendant]

Im worried that they are just done with horn :/

Were past the 2 week period. Itll be winter sweep up 2027 atp

[gaunt kestrel]

not to mention having to accept aid to meaningfully coordniate specs

[true talon]

To scared to make it usable, honestly if it worked solo it would be atleast useful to landing your spec on a boss in which you only need 1 maul/bgs/dwh

[tacit pendant]

It working solo does actually overlap voidwaker, which they are horrified of creeping with dclaws apparantly. Atleast give us the claws as polled

Nerf if too strong but let us play with the thing that was proposed and see if it gets used

[true talon]

My point was Maging yama gets you.

1. -25% dps leading to much longer kills
2. harder enrage in a duo (you have to manually dodge waves,fireballs) This is harder than doing bandos from donofly tiles (boss dies before flares even spawn most the time)
3. slower p1/p2 due to the dps loss.
4. Flares dont give contribution = less loot

Benefits to maging Yama or doing mage role.

1. Flares can be dealt with without involving your melee duo.
2. You can eldermaul for your melee since you dont need spec (as mage dont have any meaningful spec weps)
3. You can do sigils and take less chip damage for your team.

[true talon]

Dont think having 75% spec claws overlaps with voidwaker.

solo horn would be used to land elder/bgs/dwh more than likely

[thick beacon]

when solo horn? would make item so much better

[true talon]

It would atleast be good for corp methods

and mutadile freezes

[thick beacon]

though i feel like outcry against horn is excessive it has use cases that i already care about

itd be really good for toa solos with dwh as well

could see vork dwh being a thing to

[true talon]

Yea it being usable solo does allow it to have some use cases.

[austere mulch]

It’s only use cases currently are Yama elder maul and corp first maul (lol)

Or SRA nex if you’re memeing

[thick beacon]

its pretty good for toa if ur duoing

ive seen ppl talk about alting solo yama for def drain

[true talon]

Yep, i did this. i just had my horn alt follow my iron, summoned the boss. horn + eldermaul did the sigils untill it died. lost like 1 worm or something off my loot lol

[tacit pendant]

Toa is gonna be a breeze with dc and delve gear

[austere mulch]

Having it work with claws would just add:
Verzik p2 (with a lot of coordination between position, p1 specs, and lb distribution)
Nex (potentially, but kinda doubt here)
And some additional claw use in team toa

[thick beacon]

i never felt claw thing was op in first place

[tacit pendant]

Zcb is still super strong at nex after xbow def changes

Spec that is

[thick beacon]

claws feel a bit underpowerd imo would be nice way to bring it bac a bit

[austere mulch]

It was 9.1 (16%) avg net dmg increase on p2 verz, compared to 8.2 (28%) net dmg increase to scythe only on the first splat

And they stopped and said “wait that’s too strong” and nerfed it to 6.6 net damage (11%)

It’d legit be better if it just didn’t get guaranteed hit at all and instead just got the +100% attack roll on the first accuracy attempt

[thick beacon]

a new item adds power to the game

feel like its not even free power ud have to cordinate form duo stacks to get best value idk

[gaunt kestrel]

meanwhile surge potion

[thick beacon]

i feel like itd be hard

and then make sure ur next melee hit is claw spec ontop

[austere mulch]

Yeah gotta coordinate positioning and spec distribution on team, which often requires lb and dc play as well

Like, it’s not even that strong, just strong enough to be worth doing, and takes a good bit of effort to even do, and they nerfed it to the ground 😭

At least it’s a tradeable godbook to make room for surge pots 💀

Which were also unnecessarily nerfed in tob but still reset on deaths in cox

[idle rapids]

Can't smuggle POH items anymore rip

[fossil epoch]

How do you consume moonlight moth?
do you drink it?

https://i.imgur.com/YabNVJ7.png

[gaunt kestrel]

you release them

so you can use them to your hearts desire

[upbeat moss]

Regular moths are release, moth mixes are drink

[true talon]

This is extremely easy. yama doesnt really do any damage if you dont mess up.

[fossil epoch]

yeh i just wanted to use offensive prayers

dont want to flick

[idle rapids]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/images/Antisanta.gif?86d12

[gaunt kestrel]

can also ancient mace before going if you care enough, that and fally shield work

[true talon]

Fally shield good

[gaunt kestrel]

or at least i think fally shield works, didnt try myself so take that as you may

makes sense if it did

[true talon]

If moths work, then i dont see why fally shield wouldnt

[wet smelt]

I don’t like ge tax and I’m sad now

[gaunt kestrel]

ge tax is great for the game unfortunately

2% is honestly negligable in the grandscheme

[wet smelt]

They should use the ge tax to give me one item of my choosing

[gaunt kestrel]

i dont think you will be severely hampered by it

[wet smelt]

Bodied

[dim ridge]

excuse me beep boop bot

⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️ Demon ashes not fixed, now they just drop double for all styles ⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️

[wet smelt]

Hell yeah

That’s good prayer xp

I think they shoulda increased the cap for ge tax but left it at 1%

In tease cap would drain more money from the high end players with more money and keep low end players from feeling it as much

I just generally dislike losing value .-.

[tacit pendant]

They dont want players dodging ge for a tbow and then getting scammed

[upbeat moss]

Wait so the guy buying a tbow for 2b at the ge isn't serious?

[gaunt kestrel]

this sounds decent, but it depends where your perspective of high end players are

people with bis will never sell their gear anyways so they'd never be subject to tax

[hard axle]

You want to know a bigger strain on the ge tax? It’s the 5m cap

[gaunt kestrel]

but people with anything less than like 6b bank if they ever wanted to switch megas would be destroyed by like a 17m tax if it was uncapped

[hard axle]

Yep

That’s why they put it in

[dim ridge]

17m tax on a 1.7b item, oh no

[hard axle]

But people wanting 5-10% are just going to hit that cap anywya

[gaunt kestrel]

for people with like middling amounts of bank value its still a large sum

[hard axle]

17m is almost an anguish or torm

[vernal valve]

it'd be 34m now also

[hard axle]

I love when people underestimate how much money helps during rebuilds

[gaunt kestrel]

personally i'm for whatever tax% they settle at, but i am just trying to empathize w the poors

[tacit pendant]

When you are at 2bil bank value, and want to give each megarare a spin, losing 30mil everytime kinda hurts, people would def use discords rather than throw away a fang everytime essentially

[gaunt kestrel]

say i trade in a bow for a scy and go back to a bow

[hard axle]

That’s literally why my second shadow and half my bank are loaned out

[gaunt kestrel]

i lose 10m vs losing 30m

[hard axle]

I don’t want homies swapping megas

and losing 5m each time

I’m stuck at CG and Vard anyway

[tacit pendant]

Yup and thats at 5 mil loss. Imagine x6 that. Wed see scam posts daily on reddit as a result of deals gone bad

[dim ridge]

put tax on player to player trading too

that'll fix it

[tacit pendant]

Honestly the equal trade plugin should be vanilla client settings

[gaunt kestrel]

if it would draw data like instabuy/instasell prices that could work

but ge price updates pretty slowly

[tacit pendant]

Hard pass, let me loan stuff to noob friends for fun raid time

[dim ridge]

too bad, taxxed

[tacit pendant]

The plugin does, but the client obv doesnt

[gaunt kestrel]

ahh, yea i'd support it being a vanilla client setting then

but also i'd also just use the ge

would have to be a pretty crazy amount to warrant looking for a human trader imo

[upbeat moss]

What does it do?

[knotty herald]

It makes sure trades are somewhat equal before you can accept
I dunno if it'd work as intended for newer items though

[upbeat moss]

Yeah I'd imagine it wouldn't work for new items then

[small anvil]

2% tax is probably good but it's a pretty drastic jump lol

Fang spiking on the news lol

[restive siren]

How does the 2b scam even work? Still the old trade tele tab

[upbeat moss]

Pretty much, I think

[tacit wharf]

just delete every 10th item that enters the ge

[small anvil]

No, it uses plat

[upbeat moss]

I thought there was brackets for the ge tax tbh

[small anvil]

They trade as if plat is worth 1m each

[upbeat moss]

Like, under 1m is 1%
5m 1.5%

[small anvil]

But they're worth only 1k each

[knotty herald]

2147 platinum tokens, a 2147k value (not M)

[small anvil]

People are not terribly familiar with plat and mils look like bils when you're only focusing on the front numbers

[upbeat moss]

Easy thing to look over, but also easy to spot

Unfortunate that it gets people

[vivid ruin]

The GE is toxic

[tacit wharf]

wouldnt a simple fix be the change to font color for mills/bills in the trade window?

[upbeat moss]

Engine work or something

[knotty herald]

I sure hope whoever made the game engine still works there

[gaunt kestrel]

hope they also follow in rs3's place of increasing the max cash stack limit

[upbeat moss]

Pretty sure nobody made the engine

They discovered it

[upbeat moss]

I think that's something they want to do, at least for GE offers

But it requires a lot of work

[gaunt kestrel]

as i've heard

[upbeat moss]

Would be nice

[gaunt kestrel]

i feel like theyve mentioned it before

[upbeat moss]

Yeah. Still a long way off I'd imagine

It's probably a scary thing to attempt. Imagine the repercussions if something goes wrong with that

Goddamn butterfly effect game engine

[gaunt kestrel]

i'd like to assume there'd be some carryover cause they already did it for rs3

[upbeat moss]

Probably

Ash was talking about how they made the chatbox clickable in RS3 and how weird that was to do

Like, being able to click in the middle of what you've typed to edit

[gaunt kestrel]

holy

[upbeat moss]

Without backspacing the whole thing

[gaunt kestrel]

thats real spaghetti

[upbeat moss]

A task as simple as that required some weird workaround because of how it handles certain characters

As seemingly simple *

[true talon]

Sounds like greed and non issue to me, pay the tax or just risk being scammed by trying to interact with trade outside GE.

[small anvil]

Ge tax should not have been instantly implemented imo, should have been announced

Anyone buying things overnight to sell on thin margins lost out

[golden sinew]

2% GE tax is just going to make people not want to use the GE, which will drastically increase the amount of scamming. Is that what we want for the game now?

[true talon]

NGL idc about your margins, much like in the real world, idc if your stocks is losing value get a real job. same can be said for those who go out an grind gp from bossing.

[gaunt kestrel]

honestly i think stuff like this we just rip the bandaid off for, even if individual persons are hurt

[small anvil]

I just don't think there's anyone harmed by saying its coming next week, then doing it

[gaunt kestrel]

we're subject to integrity changes at jagex' whim

[small anvil]

The price spikes will happen all the same

[gaunt kestrel]

2% tax is nothing

see you at the ge

[upbeat moss]

It's not gonna make people not want to use the GE. Most players probably won't even notice

Prices will change a little and then that's that

[true talon]

Calm down bro, 2% GE tax will do very little, you will just have to margin for 1% less when flipping.

[upbeat moss]

For the majority of players, it's a non issue

[small anvil]

Not everyone is arguing from a point of self interest, I didn't make any flips overnight I'm suffering from

[upbeat moss]

If you're flipping on such thin margins, buying overnight is a bad idea anyways, no?

[small anvil]

I'm just saying that it wouldn't have hurt anyone