game-update

[chrome lantern]

Ren, nobody is doing any of that to train melees, can you please stop talking about it

[fiery epoch]

Is yama good money making

[slender vapor]

Bloody blow being bugged is honestly just as funny as holy water strats

[hasty shard]

im getting like 8 dps calc on normal yama

[plush gull]

can u stop putting troll emojis on my messages and telling me what to talk about thanks

[hasty shard]

u sure ur calcing right lol

[plush gull]

i was assuming max hit cuz bloodied blows

[hasty shard]

or did they give him like zero stab def

[upbeat moss]

its actually better than them ranting about orbs and contracts more

[hasty shard]

i dont think bloodied blow guarantees max

i've done it like twice

you just get dharoks effect

[plush gull]

ive done it 7 times and yeah idk, i was hitting 88 at 1 hp

which isnt max

it seems to boost proportionally

like maybe you do 99% of max at 1 hp

always

[hasty shard]

88 with fang?

[plush gull]

no with dh

[tacit pendant]

Nobody tell hebox

[plush gull]

#game-update message

[tacit pendant]

Hes gonna have to max again

[hasty shard]

ic

[formal sentinel]

Another contract drop rate buff this morning? I guess I'm going back to the chasm after work if I can get some before prices fully crash

[upbeat moss]

its too late

[formal sentinel]

They were (anecdotally over ~750kc) 1/40 before, so even if they're still going for like 750k when I'm off as long as the drop rates are better than that

[analog crow]

they are already in the ground man

[lament peak]

fast forward 1 week: entire game is supplying 10 guys to complete contracts and print oathplate successful update

[analog crow]

Drop rate buff, instantly content for irons

[formal sentinel]

Yeah, down to 500k already lmao

[analog crow]

the yellow constract went from 3.5m to 1m in a few minutes

[tacit pendant]

Tbf acquisitions only come from yama and people are going to be doing the boss less as time goes on and hype dies

[analog crow]

after the buff

[formal sentinel]

That did need to happen though. No way safespottable black demons should have given more gp/hour than Vorkath

[hasty shard]

Y'all afraid of lawyers? You should be?
We been contacting you through twitter, forums, and reddit for days.

Now its the last straw. Group of has gotten together. You know what this is about. What you did is wrong and false. Real world trading? No Evidence? No appeal? No response? BULL SHIT. Return our accounts. Or lawsuits incoming. It's won't be an end to runescape. It will be an end to Jagex. Give the fucking accounts back or show proof. Last warning.

[analog crow]

true

new copypasta?

[tacit wharf]

jokes on you, u dont own yr account

[slender vapor]

old copypasta

[hasty shard]

salutations lawyer of the northern region

[tacit wharf]

must be from those china accounts

for*

[lament peak]

really happy for those 10 guys though

[tacit pendant]

Tarriffs fuck over mid level players and only the bot farms have the capital to survive and keep prices low

[hasty shard]

fun tariffs

[slender vapor]

Just deport all the bots to sophanem

[unreal plover]

ok we have confirmation they didnt playtest contracts pog

[lament peak]

duh

[formal sentinel]

I made 35m yesterday off the black demons, about 5 1/2 hours there. 4 of which was inconsistent second-monitor-while-at-work playing.
Even with it being new content, that's a bit ridiculous

[tacit pendant]

I made 20m during half a shift afk. Ye shit was nuts

[fiery epoch]

Yama will soon be dead content

[true talon]

Watching these contract fights are sick lol failing the flare heals the boss to full

[fiery epoch]

Once everyone has their armor its a dead content

[hasty shard]

even yamas kind of ridiculous imo, shard drops are way too consistent for the gp output

[fossil epoch]

I agree, 1 helm drop and im greenlogged, no reason to return

[chrome lantern]

It was always a baffling design, even if the intent is to prop up the banks of 1700 total noobs (Mod Goblin’s words), why not do so at actually engaging content that makes them better at the game

[slender vapor]

You're right, buff CG

[small anvil]

yeah why was it demon farming

[tacit pendant]

I mean maxxers will always go farm midlevel content if its got drops

See yama

[true talon]

Yama is not a mid game boss lmfao

[analog crow]

The sigil system was cool though, and might have a place in a minigame or slayer content

[hasty shard]

its probably a good thing we didn't get to see just how much gp per kill demons were on the wiki

[fiery epoch]

Jagex killed yama, ruined drop rates armor wont be worth 200mil a set soon be cheaper

[tacit pendant]

Memim lowkey with that statement lol

[plush gull]

colo is early game, inferno is midgame, yama is endgame

[hasty shard]

real

[minor shale]

yama shudders at the thought of Cuthbert

[fiery epoch]

Jagex has ruined yama

Drop rates r rubbish too ez to get armor

[upbeat moss]

yeah yeah

[true talon]

No they didn’t lmao I’m 300 kc with no armor drop and only 1/4th the shards for blp

[hasty shard]

we've heard your complaints, nex now drops uniques at a 1/26 rate

[tacit pendant]

Idk i got a lot of money and had fun learning the methods. Great update for me

[fiery epoch]

No it doesnt

[tacit pendant]

I think they could just come out and say "we want end game armor to be around or under 300m per set, we missed the mark with torva" and case closed

[true talon]

Why this guys profile pic look like a nex mass gold farmer

[hasty shard]

implying oathplate is gonna hold at 300m

[upbeat moss]

"or under"

[tacit pendant]

Itll be "under" like masori kek

[slender vapor]

[tacit pendant]

By 2027 itll be at void prices

[true talon]

It will be over 300m for awhile

[hasty shard]

void prices

[fiery epoch]

No it wont

[upbeat moss]

itll be under 300 by monday

[chrome lantern]

I will hold to the opinion that Torva prices continue to be as high as they are because they designed a boss that very few people actually enjoy doing and only force themselves to do it because the supply is low enough that the price is sky-high

[fiery epoch]

Give it another week

[tacit pendant]

Honestly doubt over 300, but not under 200 for a bit

[tacit pendant]

It was under 300 yesterday, people buying to try contracts

[true talon]

Correct

[upbeat moss]

well below 300

[tacit pendant]

Nex always require a hop or multiple hops to find a world. People CAMP that shit hard

[chrome lantern]

Turns out if you make a boss that people actually enjoy doing mostly across the board, even if it competes with Torva, more people will do it and the price will be lower

[hasty shard]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

this entire update has me like this

[minor whale]

Hasn't gone under 300m/set yet

Lowest sold for each piece was 120/120/60

[upbeat moss]

so close today lol

[minor whale]

Definitely not "well below" yet

[upbeat moss]

no like, itll hold, well below 300 after this weekend

[minor whale]

Ah

[true talon]

Will go up as more people learn how much better than torva it is

[upbeat moss]

yeah my b, wasnt clear enough

[minor whale]

I think it'll hold pretty steady, I think it went low because people expected a shitload of oathplate to enter the game from contracts instantly

[tacit pendant]

People who have torva all know how much better it is

[minor whale]

But people can't even complete that contract let alone farm it

[chrome lantern]

I would much rather have torva than oath and I have 2/3 of each set

[upbeat moss]

the people that probably w/could farm that contract are all busy doing white oathplate contracts

[chrome lantern]

For one thing I wouldn’t have to do Nex anymore xd

[true talon]

Torva only good with fang

[hasty shard]

uetr

[fiery epoch]

Yama is easy boss so oaths are gonna be droped much more often

[true talon]

Even with sra you lose 1 max hit and gain fuck ton of accuracy

[tacit pendant]

Not having to do nex is the greatest gift jagex could have given yall

[lament peak]

rework nex please jagex 😭

[hasty shard]

ok tbh who the fuck is even getting oath contracts into the game

its like pet rate to get one

i will be mistaken because they're changing the rates like hourly i swear but w/e

[chrome lantern]

Legs for greenlog and I can ignore it forever, not going back until I get chaps though and I’m very dry there

[hasty shard]

out of all of this saga the thing im most happy about is yama not actually dropping 75k fire runes

that was such an insane thing to put in a blogpost

(he actually drops 40k)

[upbeat moss]

isnt it 40k though

lmfao

[true talon]

Should have lol

[hasty shard]

yeah no they said 5x straight up

15k x 5

[chrome lantern]

I’m glad they finally reduced the fire rune costs of demonbane (should’ve been done ages ago)

[true talon]

75k fire runes be pog they floor price anyways

[hasty shard]

maffs

[upbeat moss]

they did also tweak the demonbane spell fire rune costs

[hasty shard]

adds 75k fire rune drop wonders why they're floor price

[true talon]

They been floor price for years

[chrome lantern]

When are they merging Mark of Darkness into the spell itself instead of making an arbitrary timer

[glass pond]

Yeah the accuracy on the bloodied blows contracts was insane. Non-stop 70s

[shadow wave]

I remember it was brought up as early as the WGS Q&A stream

[true talon]

You can buy from the shop for 5gp

[minor whale]

Holy fuck you weren't lying

That's the funniest drop I've ever seen since Konar dropping 2k Sara Brews

[hasty shard]

they went like like a gp with yama is the thing 😭

[tacit pendant]

Fuck mark of darkness and charge spells

[chrome lantern]

I mean it was brought up as early as when the spells released, people just didn’t care because the spells were utterly useless

[upbeat moss]

every boss should have a 1% chance to drop 40k elemental runes

[glass pond]

I cant help but feel like the "soulreaper" axe isnt some kinda tech. Seems like a missed opportunity to reap back souls from yama and purify them if they just overlooked it completely.

[analog crow]

Jagex when rc exists

[hasty shard]

add content that uses demonbane/harm and suddenly people chew through them

[tacit pendant]

Already hate that stuff in dark souls dont want it here

[hasty shard]

you can look at ge graph, supply is like 2-3x what it was pre-yama

[chrome lantern]

As another point, Charge lasts a lot longer than even the 5x duration Mark with purging staff

[fiery epoch]

Yama will be dead content in a month

[lament peak]

ok

[upbeat moss]

ok

[true talon]

Shut up you nex bot

[slender vapor]

Ok

[chrome lantern]

And why do we have a band-aid 5x longer with purging staff to begin with instead of a.) making it always 5 min even without purging b.) deleting the spell and incorporating it into the demonbane spells themselves

[hasty shard]

realistically i dont give a fuck but christ can we design droptables with the intention to not devalue skill gathering 😭

shit like dt2 bosses dropping 500 coal is fucking dumb

[true talon]

Bots already devalue this content. Not boss drops.

[upbeat moss]

this channel is healing tbh

[analog crow]

B wouldn’t work since it also buffs grasps right?

[hasty shard]

you wont believe what bots do

[chrome lantern]

But dt2 bosses let me make 150m worth of alchs while getting 99 smithing

[chrome lantern]

Sure who cares incorporate the buff into that spell too

[tacit pendant]

Yama wont be dead, even if he is, least i made my money

[fiery epoch]

Yama will not be worth doing after everyone has their gear, 2.5k kc already on highscores in a week thats how easy yama boss is

[true talon]

Yama is fun

[minor whale]

[true talon]

Wasn’t there like 50k nex week 1

[hasty shard]

honestly we should get an item that makes timers not complete ass to manage

[upbeat moss]

what would go on a droptable to make this a reality?
people earlier were talking about drop tables "catering to irons" but i genuinely dont know what it would look like if that werent the case
maybe im just an idiot tho lol

[tacit pendant]

Ooof

[hasty shard]

something like a cursed heart that just pauses timers outside of combat

[chrome lantern]

Uhm ackshually Yama canonically never dies because you are dueling a weakened version of his full-power form, at the conclusion of the fight you receive loot he gives you, so Yama will never be “dead”

[true talon]

wtf is this acc lol

[analog crow]

Wtf is this account

[upbeat moss]

wtf is this acc

[analog crow]

Mans not doing any content

[fiery epoch]

Yama is a dead content after a month, 2.5k kc someone has and its so easy

[restive siren]

avg yama complainer

[slender vapor]

Wtf is this account

[hasty shard]

its tricky but at the same time its pretty easy to just not go 'hmm lets add a 1050x monkfish drop to whisperer'

[true talon]

1 purchased zuk kc 1339 total looks like a stalker/risk fight rwt

[lament peak]

vene farmer somewhere

[chrome lantern]

Can afford an infernal cape but not better than bandos d’hide

[hasty shard]

yama also just drops 800x wrath runes now

[fiery epoch]

Oaths armor already being farmed

[minor whale]

Pretty sure it's literally a bot

[hasty shard]

so they just, arent locked behind ds2 completion

[minor whale]

Yooo...

[hasty shard]

from grandmaster unlock to experienced quest

[minor whale]

That's actually kinda sick

[chrome lantern]

I have yet to see the wrath rune drop

[true talon]

They are rare

[hasty shard]

like at least its rare but at the same time tf

[chrome lantern]

I’m only at like 110 kc

[lament peak]

same 0 wraths in 450 kills

[hasty shard]

lets add tbows to goblins why dont we

it'd be rare so its fine i guess

[true talon]

I mostly get supply drops 60 out of my 300 kc has been wildpie or pizza

[ember token]

it's far from a reliable source

[tacit pendant]

Its enough for irons to use like sinisiter offering but not really consistent for surge spells

[analog crow]

Chunklockers quaking in their boots rn

[chrome lantern]

I mean that’s still only 2.4k kills worth of offerings

[tacit pendant]

I cba to do that many offering in my whole career

[ember token]

and that's only 800 if you solo

you'll get less in duos

[chrome lantern]

Yeah it would last a while but not if you do it max eff for all your slayer stuffs

[tacit pendant]

Maybe holds you over for the cerb tech with demonic offering

[ember token]

they need to add new uses for wrath runes

[upbeat moss]

thats fair. youre right though, its def a tricky thing

[chrome lantern]

Then it’s only 800 ghosts though but yeah

I went 2130 for my prims :(

[tacit pendant]

Ouch

[chrome lantern]

It was also before ghost offering tech was really a thing so I didn’t do that

[minor whale]

Tbf it is a little weird that they were on the arceeus spellbook but not obtainable anywhere in Zeah

[chrome lantern]

Just arclight+bandos and got ferocious gloves and avernic partway through

[lament peak]

3??

[upbeat moss]

yeah. changed earlier today
in #game-news

[hasty shard]

mlol

[slender vapor]

Contracts were basically quintupled

[chrome lantern]

I’m glad I held the half my dossiers I got after opening 3 tele scrolls in a row

[upbeat moss]

white oath contracts are 3x from dossier
pet contract is 2x from dossier

[hasty shard]

was offering even on the book originally

[chrome lantern]

No, it was part of rework that added thralls with AKD

[hasty shard]

its less 'weird they arent in zeah' and more 'zeah does weird shit again'

[lament peak]

going in the coffer

[hasty shard]

yuge

[chrome lantern]

Surely 1nd it

First try

[tender harness]

gnome is 2/5 now? which one did he do now

[slender vapor]

Crush and stamina

Apparently bloody was bugged AF

[tender harness]

bloody and severance seem just

[chrome lantern]

What’s a playtest

[tender harness]

I just saw his planking message
Thanks, Arcane

[upbeat moss]

he got unlucky tbh

20% chance to start with a bugged contract

and he chose wrong

[tender harness]

imagine just actually play testing

[autumn elbow]

Wouldnt it be possible to just use contract from 1 person and both still get the pet benefit? @winter hearth

[hard axle]

^im surprised this isn’t the case because it just says fuck you to the duo

[tender harness]

This week’s game update is a little quieter than usual - think of it as the eye of the storm. We're using this time to make sure Yama is behaving (or misbehaving) in exactly the right ways. We're ironing out any unexpected bugs, glitches, or pact-related weirdness that might've crept in.

Bloody in shambles

[tender harness]

bro why are you double pinging

[autumn elbow]

2>1 😉

[tender harness]

also a quick way to cope a mute
forgot oscords are also asleep at the wheel so apparently not

[rain fulcrum]

They genuinely should refund the blood contract

[upbeat moss]

how tho

[hasty shard]

give me my money back yeah

[slender vapor]

Gnome lost like 300m on bugged bloody blows

[tender harness]

good. gnome suffering is peak content

[rain fulcrum]

By giving you contracts back for however many you used before the hot fix

[lament peak]

how? aren't they like super cheap now

[rain fulcrum]

There's no way they don't have that info

[upbeat moss]

true but like, giving back contracts that were 2-3m this morning that are now like 400k

[tender harness]

also what the fuck is acquisition contracts having p3 fire attacks starting in p1, along with perma rag tiles

[hasty shard]

oh yeah lol refunding contracts does nothing

[upbeat moss]

i guess its better than nothing

[hasty shard]

wait WHAT

[hasty shard]

??

screeny plox

by rag tiles do u mean molten sand like colo

[tender harness]

thats how I understood it

[tacit pendant]

Gnome can just sell his extra tbow on the gimp hes fine

[hasty shard]

thats psychotic if why the fuck do the contracts not mention this shit

grr grahhh

[tender harness]

apparently as well
" Glyphs buff you with certain weapons. Red Glyph will buff Volatile Spec, Shadow Glyph buffs SGS/Ancient mace prayer gain. We think these have to be tied in with contracts since they aren't required in any way for regular Yama."
no idea if this is remotely true giga grain of salt

[rain fulcrum]

Realistically he lost most of that by buying them at peak anyway

[tacit pendant]

It is true, volly spec is like a more expensive burning claw in expected hit

[hasty shard]

yes and no

[rain fulcrum]

Obviously contracts were gonna crash lol

[hasty shard]

like it'd be useful for pet contract but like

[upbeat moss]

yeah 100% fair

[hasty shard]

you just restore more anyways no?

going from full restore to... full restore

[small anvil]

Contracts crashing wasn't obvious until they giga buffed the drop rate

Contracts were more likely to go to the moon

[rain fulcrum]

They stated they were going to giga buff the drop rate tho

[small anvil]

But they emergency buffed the contract drop rate today again

[rain fulcrum]

I thought

[small anvil]

they already buffed it in thursday patch

[rain fulcrum]

Idk what they were thinking TBH

[small anvil]

but like

[rain fulcrum]

Why not just have the contracts for the cosmetics be free

[hasty shard]

rs3 lookin real good rn

[small anvil]

it was eminently obvious there wasnt enough contracts based on the math

[analog crow]

It makes sense when you consider that midgame safespotting black demons in chasm was as profitable as endgame raids

[hasty shard]

did u know at arch glacor you can enable additional mechanics for free

[small anvil]

the question was whether jagex would actually do something about it

and whether they'd do enough

they doubled the rates yesterday and it wouldnt have been enough

[chrome lantern]

They should just get rid of the consumable aspect entirely

[small anvil]

so instead they went like another 5x

[rain fulcrum]

How hard are the non cosmetic contracts anyway

[small anvil]

and anyone who had been holding lul

[hasty shard]

it was probably unironically like rune dragon tier loot for mobs you can two hit

oh right zombie pirates

ok nvm those are 5k each

[analog crow]

but muh wildy rejuvenation

[rain fulcrum]

U can enable additional mechanics for free at ToA too

[hasty shard]

true

[small anvil]

yeah but they "learned their lesson" from invocations

lesson learned: free invocations bad

[rain fulcrum]

Yeah so instead we have invocations that cost money

[small anvil]

🙃

[hasty shard]

are we sure they learnt that

[small anvil]

yeah they learn all the wrong lessons

[hasty shard]

oh right brain off

go on

'jagex wrong free'

[chrome lantern]

You’re so right, we need an invocation token that only comes from 300s if you want to go above 345 for the kits and transmogs

[small anvil]

the problem with invocations was loot scaling and the hp/def scaling

[chrome lantern]

Can also be farmed from Minions of Scabaras

[hasty shard]

be grateful they even added a cosmetic you worm huff sigh

[rain fulcrum]

Invos had a lot of problems

Notice that tob mostly has zero configurability and it's perfectly fine

Just make 1 well balanced and tuned fight

[small anvil]

invos being infinitely combinable was just too much to try to balance

[chrome lantern]

I wouldn’t really care if they didn’t

[small anvil]

so they tacked on invo lvl as the balancing tool

[hard axle]

Yep and the moment they do add difficulty modifiers, it’s a shit show. HMT is not a good raid

[small anvil]

and everyone was annoyed

[hard axle]

and I’ve done 1.5k kc

[small anvil]

invo lvl hp/def scaling

[hard axle]

of HMT

[analog crow]

issue was that they wanted ToA to be a gateway raid accessible to midgamers innit

[obsidian venture]

That they did

But weirdly enough the most gatekept raid gear wise

[rain fulcrum]

And also I think jagex misses the point that people want endgame content not midgame content with an endgame cosmetic challenge

[chrome lantern]

They wanted it to be both immensely accessible (met) and also scalable all the way through endgame (zzz)

[slender vapor]

They don't want invocation level 600 Yama either

[upper ice]

my opinion has arrived

[rain fulcrum]

Like they need to be more willing to just dial up the base difficulty

[slender vapor]

Hp and defense boosting, again

[rain fulcrum]

Accessibility be damned

[small anvil]

hp, defense, one shots

jagex's perfect combo that players hate

[rain fulcrum]

If it drops endgame gear it should actively not be accessible

[upper ice]

toa 2.0

shit is dogshit

[small anvil]

for artificial difficulty

[slender vapor]

The toa special

[sacred oracle]

is phosani's nightmare hard enough

[obsidian venture]

Which again points to the issue that they aren’t focusing on their target audience. If they want team content, the solo has to scale appropriately by 2.5x or 3x so team aspects still impact solos

[upper ice]

phosani not hard

[sacred oracle]

guess that's no

[obsidian venture]

Phosanis is hard enough sure

[small anvil]

the thing is, focusing on end game players isnt good economics i think

[obsidian venture]

But it’s not worth the time for a fun fight

However people do send it for fun

[hasty shard]

7 minutes lol

[chrome lantern]

Phosani is a good fight combined with insulting drop rates

[obsidian venture]

They could remove 1 whole phase and it’ll be fine

[analog crow]

that's what they keep saying yeah

[upper ice]

phosani is a good fight yeah

idk what hard enough means tho

[obsidian venture]

Well

[chrome lantern]

And could also cut out an entire phase from pnm without negative impact

[obsidian venture]

Look at vard and the awakened version, that’s perfect

[sacred oracle]

i thought people in the channel were saying regular yama isn't hard enough for endgamers

[obsidian venture]

It’s not

[upper ice]

oh

[obsidian venture]

People in midgame are afk maging it

[upper ice]

i really dont know

[obsidian venture]

Is that supposed to be hard

[upper ice]

i just do stuff if its fun

[obsidian venture]

For sure

And pnm is a fun fight

[upper ice]

it is

[obsidian venture]

Just a tad too long and has shit rates

But it is fun

It engages the player without being too aids

[sacred oracle]

if this place doesn't have shit internet, i was gonna start phosani grind

i'm scared! but yama p3 has given me a little confidence

[upper ice]

yeah high def high hp and one shot mechanics arent fun

idk how they havent learned this

[obsidian venture]

Jagex can make a fun endgame fight but they have to gatekeep it from mid lvl andies

Otherwise it’s never going to work out

They can’t split their attention

Instead, reward progression and getting good

[upper ice]

yeah they keep trying to make it accessible to midgame players

AND endgame players

[obsidian venture]

Its very dumb

[upper ice]

in the same encounter

[obsidian venture]

Also trying to focus on solo aspects for group encounters

Very poorly done

[upper ice]

ye yama is the same fight duo and solo

only diff is orbs have more hp duo

[sacred oracle]

from their perspective, i think they feel that for the amount of effort they put into content, they want it to have the broadest appeal possible

[upper ice]

but u dont even bother with them duo

[sacred oracle]

which doesn't appear to work very well

[obsidian venture]

It doesn’t and it’s always garnered backlash

So why wouldn’t they want to switch gears and focus on one aspect

[sacred oracle]

if it's too endgame-focused, the midlevels absolutely explode with anger on reddit that they're being gatekept from doing content

[obsidian venture]

That’s fine to a degree

[upper ice]

cant please everyone

[small anvil]

people think colo was pretty well done no?

[upper ice]

thats not a new lesson

but somehow they still dont get it

[sacred oracle]

if it's not endgame-focused enough, endgamers complain it's not engaging enough/not hard enough/not rewarding enough

[obsidian venture]

Because then folks going to endgame will have something to do

[upper ice]

yeah it was great

sol is a good boss

[obsidian venture]

Colo rewards are ass but the content is good

[sacred oracle]

i think jagex has tended to want to make the latter group angry more than the first because there's a lot more, ah, mid-level andies

[analog crow]

They are also beholden to corporate, and they have to justify their dev expenses I imagine.
Investing a lot of time and money into content that only 1000 players maybe are able to do isn't gonna fly that easily.

[vernal valve]

i think the reality is that there's 3 things they want:

• Content to be broadly accessible.
• Human drop rates.
• Rewards to stay valuable.

Trying to do all 3 usually means sacrificing 1.

[upper ice]

yeah man i saw goblin saying how they dont care about inferno speeds cause nobody does them

im like dude.

[obsidian venture]

That’s understandable

[upper ice]

dick.

[obsidian venture]

This was poorly said yeah

However, going forward I’d rather them say who the content is aimed for, if it’s meant to done solo or in a a team and just stick with that in mind the entire way through

[lament peak]

it's all a conspiracy to sell more bonds. wanna farm this new content? better fork over the money for a shadow 🤔

[obsidian venture]

You will forsake a side but that’s ok

[upper ice]

yeah trying to make it solo

just ends up making it a solo boss

just have it be 1 or the other

[hasty shard]

'man why are jagex making such weird dev moves- oh right new ceo'

[obsidian venture]

Keep in mind that most endgame pvmers that I chatted with enjoyed Royal titans and that wasn’t aimed for endgame at all

[slender vapor]

[sacred oracle]

why did they like it?

[hasty shard]

yep

[obsidian venture]

Instead we were able to optimize it to some degree

[slender vapor]

RT was a smashing success

[hasty shard]

switching is fun and the optimisation is neat

[obsidian venture]

Because we were able to speed it up using gear and tech

We were able to do that and not take away from the midgame pvmers

Win win

The sacrificing is still ass though

[hasty shard]

like dragging out minions mid slam to get them killed is 🔥

[obsidian venture]

But in general titans was a very successful pvm piece of content

[sacred oracle]

midgamers couldn't really care that endgamers were killing titans faster than them because there's no money in the boss

so nothing to be jealous of or feel like you're being kept out of

[hasty shard]

reminder theres still no music track for titans

and there probably never will be at this point

😭

[obsidian venture]

Right but keep in mind that the core audience was for midgame and it was aimed to be better in a duo

[hasty shard]

imagine delve boss comes out and its just fucking attack 3 playing

[obsidian venture]

Endgamers didn’t feel left out

[sacred oracle]

i still can't believe we never got a boss track for titans

[lament peak]

huey, rt, and yama were all fun duo content that I grinded all the drops of (sans pets)

[hasty shard]

ok damnit attack 3 might fit decently

[obsidian venture]

If Jagex can focus on the group and if it’s solo/group, then it’ll be better

[analog crow]

Yeah that's the only blemish on it really

[sacred oracle]

i did not ever think huey was fun personally

i really did not enjoy that boss

[hasty shard]

yeah i question people who say its fun

[obsidian venture]

Huey is very flawed

[sacred oracle]

i can't say it's bad content, it's just not content i enjoyed at all

[hasty shard]

like did we do the same boss this is less interaction than scurrius

[sacred oracle]

i was very happy to spoon the pet and pce out

[chrome lantern]

Loved titans

[hasty shard]

you could go and make a coffee, come back and be fine

theres just nothing happening
so its really weird that you need so much gear for max eff

[obsidian venture]

Huey time wise doesn’t make sense

And the rewards are ?

[hasty shard]

you basically want to do moons before it

[sacred oracle]

in fairness, i was doing huey solo, so there were basically no mechanics for me to engage with at all

[hasty shard]

which means it just isnt relevant

[sacred oracle]

at least in duo (trio?) there's ... one mechanic

[obsidian venture]

Holy

[hasty shard]

because you did moons first

[analog crow]

But hey you have to do huey for a master clue step so it's essential content 😌

[lament peak]

I did Huey for the hides (clue item) before the drop rate was patched. but the seeds were a nice bonus

[hasty shard]

the boss exists to make masters worse

also huasca

[sacred oracle]

i did my part buying the items early and jagex announcing drop rate increase next day

they did it because of me

that lost 20m will haunt me forever

[analog crow]

"He bought? Dump it!"

[sacred oracle]

huey hide is so useless, i can't believe we voted for this

i probably even voted for it myself

[chrome lantern]

Pretty sure I voted against all of Varlamore p2

Would again

[analog crow]

Huey hide slander is an astro turf operation to divert attention from the dragon hunter wand

[lament peak]

well, supposedly the wand will serve a purpose at some point and be upgradable

that's why i went for it anyways

[sacred oracle]

oh yeah wand is so useless i genuinely forget it exists

do i even own it?

update: i do not

i'm buying it rn, thanks for reminding me

[upbeat moss]

buy one now before they buff it

[rain fulcrum]

Adding the item just for future upgrade is worse than not at all

[analog crow]

DS3 will hard require the dhw, you heard it here first

[sacred oracle]

dhw to the moon!

i'm ready for anything now

[hasty shard]

holy 13m

bond money

[chrome lantern]

Yeah because when the upgrade releases, it will just be “why tf do we need this useless base item that should’ve never existed in the first place?”

[hard axle]

Bullet 1 is how you get nightmare bots straight off of tutorial island.

For how niche crush armor is, I still want them to buff the rates by 2x if you complete the full mory quest line, if not mory diary.

They unfortunately don’t want to outright shift up the requirements cuz it’ll produce limited irons, just like how they didn’t want to change Zulrah to behind sote

[chrome lantern]

Orbs should be 3x as common as they are now at minimum

From nm

[vernal valve]

I mean. Yeah, I agree. I think the devs just straight up need to be more willing to accept that some content has to be less accessible.

Which they're clearly fine with to some extent, based on contracts being attempted despite the obvious kickback. But I think there's a strong aversion to letting the baseline level of content be too inaccessible, which inevitably causes issues downstream.

[hasty shard]

i like how you wont even finish the log on avg before pet

[hard axle]

Yeah, part of it should be difficulty inaccessibility, the other should be access inaccessibility

[chrome lantern]

There could definitely be a lot more things that are just straight up broadly accessible and it would be completely fine, if we force to follow those objectives

[hard axle]

Fucking pet man

I bitched about yami and potentially running out of duo partners, but I have 2+ acquaintances that are 5k-9k nm kc

[vernal valve]

yeah this is another one of the landmines jagex set for themselves lmao

[hard axle]

that boss is gonna make or break 64/64

[vernal valve]

when the "endgame" content that releases the DHW upgrade inevitably drops it's going to be an immediate problem

DHW is sort of obnoxiously rare from a 💤 boss, so the upgrade either has to be more common to counterbalance it or it'll just be normal rare, and ironmen will lose their minds about having to farm a junk boss for too long before being allowed to grind the Actual Content for the upgrade

[lament peak]

time to grind yama for another 10 hrs straight for 0 drops

[chrome lantern]

Also hate the strategy they always do to make the things you get at that boss significantly helpful specifically at that boss

Like the dhw upgrade will come out and it will be a 300% earth weak dragon or something

[vernal valve]

https://tenor.com/view/aardman-gromit-feathers-mcgraw-super-fast-go-faster-gif-20058178

[chrome lantern]

It’s obviously a lot worse on an ironman but I don’t think mains enjoy spending hundreds of mil on a fang on release either to viably do ToA

[vernal valve]

jagex making new niche items for PVM

[hasty shard]

i want to say nox hally is the most recent notable example

uber brain off rax

[vernal valve]

looking at Fang being 9m rn is pretty crazy, especially considering how unbelievable that weapon was on release

[chrome lantern]

Nothing is quite as egregious as fang and shadow at ToA

[hasty shard]

they should add back in release fang fr

[chrome lantern]

The raid experience entirely evolves when you have those

[vernal valve]

fangless toa ironman solos are genuinely miserable

it's wacky

[chrome lantern]

Like I was doing 475s with tbow when I got my shadow and it cut off over 5 minutes immediately

From 38 to 32 mins

[vernal valve]

i mean tbf

that's a Reddit Feedback moment

[tacit pendant]

Dont like toas design of raid needs u to have item from itself

[vernal valve]

they omega buffed shadow in TOA bc people thought it wasn't good enough

the quad Shadow boost in TOA was added after release

the raid wasn't designed with it in mind

[sacred oracle]

that seems fine and appropriate to me. i like it when bosses drop things that help you fight the boss. it just makes sense

[hasty shard]

oh right yeah the keris gems also

[sacred oracle]

it may not be good for irons, but my opinions both on irons and on balancing the game around them are well known

[vernal valve]

people were all in on "well, Tbow is cracked in COX, Scythe is cracked in TOB, why isn't shadow omega broken in TOA??" and the jmods said "sure"

[sacred oracle]

(they are not, no one remembers me)

[chrome lantern]

It’s not even about just irons either

[sacred oracle]

when a boss drops something, it makes sense for it to be good at the boss to me. i'm like cool, he drops slash armor, AND he's weak to slash?? giddyup

[analog crow]

Imo it's better than just getting +1 str bonus every year

[vernal valve]

yeah i think keris gems are genuinely a little fucked lmao

[sacred oracle]

i can't wait to use his own armor against him hee hee

iron just kinda twists everything up

things that are symmetrical and make sense instead become nuisances, because instead of appreciating "the item that the boss drops is good at the boss," irons are like "ah man now i suck at the boss until i get the drop!!"

one of many, many problems with iron mode

the game was made for trading for a reason

[lament peak]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-stop-it-no-how-about-no-intervention-gif-4951877685786493834

[chrome lantern]

If a main can’t buy a shadow for billions on release it has the same effect too

Especially when it comes to stuff on release, making the item good or even essential at the boss just makes a bad experience for anyone that doesn’t spoon it on the iron or fork out a hefty premium on a main

I don’t think that’s good design either and you shouldn’t feel limited from using a fang because you got one on day 1 and know it’s going to drop from 300m very soon

Or feel like you need a 1b shadow to be effective in ToA

[sacred oracle]

i don't know a single person who regrets paying 200m+ for fang on release

they made their money back and more

i regret nothing and have no problem with it

[hasty shard]

i rolled 3 lb in a row what fang

[sacred oracle]

i paid 2b for my shadow

no regrets

[minor whale]

Yeah I absolutely don't regret buying any of the raid items week 1

[modest estuary]

ngl surely the mega rare bis items in the game r suppose to dramatically increase ur qol in the raids as the chase items in game but i do agree fang at toa shit design

[minor whale]

They were so insanely good

[chrome lantern]

Items can still have value without hard carrying the content they come from

[minor whale]

I think items boosting the content they're from is a good cycle, provided they're also useful outside of it

[chrome lantern]

And they should hold value without being good at specifically the thing they come from

[minor whale]

NM on release dropping bis nightmare gear made a lot of sense to me

[chrome lantern]

Or it’s bad design of, “We literally created the only use case for this item it drops”

[hasty shard]

^^

[hard axle]

Hasta be like 0/0/0/0/0/0

[minor whale]

CoX is also specifically boosted at Chambers too

Makes sense Shadow is at ToA

[modest estuary]

idk shadow shoulda been best at toa and help other places i do think making x4 on release cuz tbow camp was bis made sense

[minor whale]

Nowhere that drops bis items is it only useful at that place

I don't think that exists anywhere in the game

[chrome lantern]

I don’t see an issue at all with tbow being bis at wardens though

[modest estuary]

y would tbow b the most important at 2 raids scythe 1 and shadow 0

u think that makes sense

[chrome lantern]

Shadow is more important than tbow at cox, I don’t see your point

[sacred oracle]

i don't like items that are only good at the content they drop from and nowhere else tho

i'm not a big fan of soulreaper axe

and it's not even that limited

it's good at a lot of content, just only bis at one

[modest estuary]

ye i mean maybe if ur doing norm mode cox where tbow doesnt get the additional scaling

[hasty shard]

does the axe really need to be like 350m even

[sacred oracle]

sra is a pretty good item, it's just so rare for not being that great to me

[chrome lantern]

You mage significantly more than you range in CoX

[modest estuary]

in case u guys didnt know tbow extra buffed in cms like shadow is extra buffed at toa

wasnt first weapon like that

[sacred oracle]

sra was truly miserable before the buff

basically unusable imo

[minor whale]

Yep

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I had it back then too

[minor whale]

Leagues made a lot of people realize how ass it was

[chrome lantern]

Didn’t spec last hit on Sotetseg? -40hp

[minor whale]

I remember getting it to do tob in leagues and going "oh my God this is fucking bad even in a gamemode where everything is booted"

[vernal valve]

SRA was embarrassingly bad on release

I still vividly remember someone asking a potential buff for it before release in a Q&A and a jmod smugly responding that the weapon was SUPER good

[plush gull]

good in raging echoes especially with vambs

infinite hp

[chrome lantern]

Verzik is doing yellows? -16-24 hp

[vernal valve]

it took a long time for it to get buffed too

[sacred oracle]

jagex has this weird and understandable problem where they're desperately afraid to dramatically power creep the game, so they keep giving good items all sorts of caveats or only the most modest of stat increases

i feel like oathplate armor is a great example of this

i don't think it's good armor

in fairness, it's mostly good at things i don't do

but it's such a small upgrade

[modest estuary]

gna b bis tzhaar colo tob and cox

[chrome lantern]

Oathplate isn’t supposed to be harder than Torva to get though so it makes sense there

[sacred oracle]

even where it's good, it's not that much better than torva

[modest estuary]

and every slayer boss

[sacred oracle]

people keep talking about how it's a torva killer, and i just don't see it

[vernal valve]

the problem is they flip back and forth on this. It seems like balance just flip flops depending on which Jmod is designing the content

[chrome lantern]

It’s not it’s just a parallel tool

[sacred oracle]

i haven't found a single slayer task it's better than torva in, since you need torva helm (hahahah) to actually make it better than torva, and you wear slayer helm obviously for slayer

[vernal valve]

I am 99% sure they don't really have a central "balance guy" or system for balancing new drops, and it's mostly up to whatever team is working on the content it drops from

Which results in wildly inconsistent balance

Ranging from "originally pitched ralos glaive" to "OG Fang"

[sacred oracle]

i like buying everything as soon as it releases, but i'm struggling to find a reason to buy oathplate

it's such a modest upgrade that infernal cape often is the deciding factor in whether it's more dps than torva at all

no infernal cape, worse than torva, in so many cases

it's hard to get excited about it, it's just so mid

[chrome lantern]

I think balancing that with the assumption of infernal cape is more than fine

[sacred oracle]

it's not so much about whether you have infernal cape as much as it is about it depends on hitting certain max hit breakpoints to even be an upgrade

torva was just a straight upgrade

cape, no cape, doesn't matter, it was always an automatic max hit

[plush gull]

melee gear is all too expensive, im gonna be stuck using void until like >800m bank value, even more after avernic treads

[sacred oracle]

oathplate is this weird sidegrade that doesn't even feel as definitive as inquisitor's to me

[vernal valve]

oathplate being a super marginal upgrade is just a consequnece of its niche not being very niche

[chrome lantern]

Void is worse than like even fighter torso and blood moon legs so that’s your choice

[plush gull]

no its not lmao

[modest estuary]

yh i mean scy is complicated if ur in full bis and considering cutting the 51 max ur in a completely diff ballpark as someone in more rag gear that has 48

1 max hit could b 1 oe 3

or

[chrome lantern]

I mean oathplate is intended to be an upgrade over bandos and alongside Torva so I don’t see the issue

[sacred oracle]

i get that it isn't supposed to be a straight upgrade to torva, but it feels like it's not even as consistently good as inq to me

[vernal valve]

"Slash torva" isn't that niche because you just kind of slash a lot. So they didn't want it to be a very big upgrade over torva

[sacred oracle]

i'm just not a fan

[modest estuary]

ye i mean its pmuch just a straight torva upgrade at every end game encounter but if u dont like that then ye ig not for u

[vernal valve]

so you get a set that's like 2% better, but only if you make sure to calc it

[modest estuary]

also think mixed set being bis makes ppl think its worse cuz they look at full set

ur def not using the helm

[plush gull]

tell me which of these is more expensive

its just not worth buying melee armor, when i could buy sra+venator+spec weapons instead

not reasonable to own melee armor until crazy high bank value

meanwhile blowpipe+masori outdamages both setups for 100m

[small anvil]

this is known

nothing you're saying is new

torva was last on upgrade prog for a reason

megarare rebuilds are a thing for a reason

[plush gull]

yeah gonna be able to afford a shadow rebuild before oathplate

[minor whale]

You have over 100 Colo kc, where exactly is your gp going to where you're mega poor?

[plush gull]

bonds, contracts, selling everything and buying different stuff every day, chins for inferno

[small anvil]

contracts 🙃

[plush gull]

etc

[minor whale]

So you're just incredibly bad with money and making that somehow into an issue with melee armor
Gotcha

[plush gull]

ur a terrible troll

100 colo kc is like 600m

[small anvil]

ren ren is just like... oddly fixated on challenging themself

and doing hard content

and kinda neglects the whole building an account up

in favor of it

it's an interesting set of interests i hadn't really seen before honestly

[chrome lantern]

Using this specific target you chose, you can get a melee gear setup that outdpses void for under 35m

You’re intentionally comparing a worse weapon

[plush gull]

post screenshot

[minor whale]

No but you don't understand they aren't able to buy good melee gear they have to spend it on contracts for a boss they can't kill normal mode of and chins for inferno which they also haven't done :((

[plush gull]

stop trolling me

<@&385422009930219520>

[plush gull]

torture+faceguard+gloves+blood moon top is 60m

[chrome lantern]

I just did the math

It’s 35m

[plush gull]

but yeah ferocious gloves bandos nezzy beats void by 1 max hit

while also increasing death fees by 300k

its not really worth it

[noble vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/spam-cat-gif-23721491

[chrome lantern]

The point is

There are many upgrades you can get that you’re intentionally choosing to ignore

You don’t need 800m to get a better setup

Throw on blood moon or bandos tassets and that’s yet another maxhit btw

[vernal valve]

I can't post screenshots but a very basic fang setup does more DPS

[plush gull]

than what

[sacred oracle]

you have to be joking

you didn't seriously ping every chat mod for that

this trolling has to stop

you need to stop this

[vernal valve]

than both the screenshots you posted?

[sacred oracle]

it isn't funny any more

[plush gull]

what fang setup outdpses sra??

give me id=Words for dps calc

[chrome lantern]

My calcs aren’t showing fang better in the same setup but by selling SRA you could easily buy rancour and ultor and avernic which would make up the difference

[sacred oracle]

(it's actually extremely funny, but .... it shouldn't be!)

[minor whale]

This site is great for finding out your dps on a budget you set
https://gearscape.net/calculators/best

[sacred oracle]

(stoooop)

[minor whale]

You should probably use it

[vernal valve]

yeah gearscape makes it pretty trivial lmao

[sacred oracle]

i keep forgetting about gearscape; i should try it more

[plush gull]

srsly tho can u dm me the fang setup that beats sra for cheaper

[vernal valve]

genuinely use gearscape and plug in your budget

u can brain off check it

[plush gull]

that site is pretty much unusable on low resolution

o i got it to work

... it says void sra is best

x.x

lmao

[vernal valve]

also yeah I was basing it on the screenshots earlier but I think SRA wasn't fully stacked in those or smth getting higher numbers calcing it myself

[chrome lantern]

Yeah the wiki dps calc makes you manually set 5 stacks in the wrench tab

[vernal valve]

fang ttk is lower

• you have to stack up SRA

[plush gull]

does the find setup button not prioritise overkill dps?

like its what matters

[chrome lantern]

Also you should probably exclude infernal cape

Unless you have it

[plush gull]

why tho

[chrome lantern]

I thought someone said you didn’t have it

[vernal valve]

you can configure it to prioritize whatever you want it to, it doesn't by default

[small anvil]

cuz sra multiplies max hits by like... 1.4? scaling

[plush gull]

i dont have a sra either

[small anvil]

so a breakpoint in infernal vs fire cape could cost 2 max hits

[tacit pendant]

Tbf soulreaper axe plus void is very good at slash and crush content lol

[plush gull]

if im actually buying something tho it has to incorporate venator

[sacred oracle]

i've never once dps calc'd sra with void

you may be cooking

[tacit wharf]

when the troll tells others that they are trolls

[small anvil]

tbf i dont think ren ren is a troll per se

[vernal valve]

this is kind of not true btw

[small anvil]

they're just... very fixated on the things they care about

[minor whale]

Sra void is good when you can literally only afford sra and boots and tort

If you have any more money than that it no longer is

[vernal valve]

a single breakpoint is still only 1 max hit for SRA, but breakpoints are 3 str instead of the typical 4 you'd expect

so infernal-fire can drop 2, but from missing 2 breakpoints

[plush gull]

on some setups infernal isnt a max hit at all

like 47 max hit fang rancour

[small anvil]

oh is it? i havent messed around with SRA in gear calcs much

[sacred oracle]

that's an extremely charitable way to put it that doesn't sacrifice accuracy

[vernal valve]

SRA's weird, it scales from your strength level directly, so it doesn't scale with your gear super well

[minor whale]

Which is why 500m it's sra void

550m it isn't

[small anvil]

like my point is that they're not malicious in their fixation, mox

[minor whale]

It's a sweet spot of very specific budget where it's the best for that budget

[vernal valve]

yeah 500m is basically the exact breakpoint where you're too poor for other upgrades but have just enough for SRA + poverty gear lmao

[small anvil]

they're not trying to bait people or anything

[sacred oracle]

it would be easier if it were malicious

unluggy

[minor whale]

I think this is just untrue

[sacred oracle]

i dunno i genuinely go back and forth

[small anvil]

well besides the dollar amount for contracts conversation

[sacred oracle]

i think it's possible for someone to be just so out of touch socially that this could be in good faith

[frail bough]

but if you didnt, they would still keep talking

[small anvil]

that's intentionally being obtuse about it to prove a point

[sacred oracle]

but is that happening here? someone might know, but i do not

[chrome lantern]

Imagine seeing someone walk into colo with this 600m setup though

[sacred oracle]

sra+moon is bis!!

[plush gull]

venatorrrrr

[minor whale]

They talk about content they don't do nor attempt as though they're an authority, claimed they were gonna chargeback over contracts on Reddit but then said oh I'm just joking, ask for contracts to be made harder when they don't have any normal Yama kc, say they're poor despite literally only doing Colo, etc

It's pretty obvious to me

[restive siren]

just send a modmail, only thing that helps

its constant derailing

[minor whale]

Yeah surely that'll do something

[small anvil]

oh SRA is only 30% not 40% oops. Also yeah it scales str directly which is interesting

[plush gull]

literally false, ive asked u to stop trolling me several times

[noble vortex]

Guys..

[sacred oracle]

oh shit oh fuck

[plush gull]

ive already sent a modmail

[sacred oracle]

scatter, fellas

he can't catch us all

[ember token]

if you call them out, they'll just say "no u"

[sacred oracle]

[tacit wharf]

plz send them to general

[chrome lantern]

Hello fellow fellas, love talking about the most recent game update and nothing else

[vernal valve]

yeah it works very differently from the weird jank scaling you'd expect from like tbow

[noble vortex]

I’ve been lurking this entire time and tbh I sort of agree with what was said, I don’t think Ren is aiming to be malicious.. if Ren’s comments are bothering you then please add them to ignore or block them for now.

[vernal valve]

instead of 1 max hit being 3, it just gets max hits slightly more frequently than normal

[small anvil]

i guess it needs to be that way b/c of being at like some intermediate amount of stacks

[vernal valve]

i mean i think it's just more reasonable scaling in general tbh

seems better to me than tbow/shadow randomly gaining 3 max hits every time a threshold is reached

[small anvil]

yeah better than all the trucation that happens in other things

[sacred oracle]

okay this emote is great i'm using it at every opportunity now

[tacit pendant]

Unironically did collo in a similar setup for first quiver. Wouldnt reccomend. I just wanted to do quiver before inferno. Obviously no oathplaye etc at that time

[sacred oracle]

okay i'm gonna do the boss now

[small anvil]

1 max hit, 2 max hits, 1 max hit, 3 max hits

[austere mulch]

Best part about bow is you either get 0 maxes or 2-3 maxes

Very rarely will you find a threshold for 1 max

[small anvil]

bow is... 250% scaling iirc?

[austere mulch]

Yeah 350 in cox

[small anvil]

which puts it in line with bp

[vernal valve]

yeah tbow is a comedy weapon lmao

[small anvil]

oh wait it's 350 total? i read the wiki as 250 total, 150% bonus

[vernal valve]

SRA really just doesn't scale very well with gear at all, most its strength is concentrated into the weapon itself

sort of like Bowfa

[austere mulch]

250% outside of cox, 350% inside of cox

[small anvil]

ohh

i didnt realize it had specific cox scaling oops

[austere mulch]

Yeah it used to have 350% everywhere

Got my first bow for 700m after it was “nerfed”

Aka stopped hitting 99s on zily and 80s on graador

[vernal valve]

tbow got hit with the Fang treatment

[vernal valve]

old OSRS was a zany place, lmao

[austere mulch]

Zulrah, cox, inferno, wildy bosses, slayer boss expansion, tob, fossil island

All in a 3 year run was insane lmao

[tacit pendant]

This is what sailing stole from us /s

[austere mulch]

Or I guess closer to 4

[vernal valve]

sailing release is going to be interesting, lol

[tacit pendant]

Is new vampire quest gonna have post quest repeat boss?

Sailing will be good i think. Probably a shit show for a week or two

[vernal valve]

not really looking forward to sailing specifically, but I'm glad we're finally getting new skills

hopefully the next one will be something more interesting to me

[tender harness]

can you like just stop being antagonistic for about two minutes holy fuck.

[vernal valve]

I'm just curious how they'll handle the rollout

[small anvil]

manaless always has to stir the embers after the fire's out

[vernal valve]

bc dumping everything at once seems like a recipe for the game to implode, but multi-part trickling it is kind of a hype killer

[small anvil]

🙃

[tender harness]

im bored

[small anvil]

when its a skill and there's a race to 99/200m

[tender harness]

[small anvil]

you cant just trickle out the faster training methods lol

[vernal valve]

I mean...you definitely can, but they probably won't want to, lmao

[small anvil]

imagine training to 200m doing deadfall traps if hunter was new

[vernal valve]

that sounds funny enough that i'm all for it

let the deadfall trap race begin

[small anvil]

You're a monster

[tacit pendant]

Block was the move its peaceful

[austere mulch]

Cautiously optimistic here for me. Strictly because of how little communication we’ve really had on its progress, opportunities for feedback etc.

Understandably, they’re probably (intentional or not) minimizing that because it can be draining to have all the negativity that comes in response from those postings

[vernal valve]

yeah I can't blame them. the amount of Sailing hot takes I saw from people who admitted they either didn't do the beta or barely played it was shocking

[tacit wharf]

i would except to hear something about a beta (if there is one, though im pretty sure they said there will be one) in the next few weeks, or something if sailing is still on track for the release window

[ember token]

Sailing will be good

whether it'll be good at launch or months later is a different question

[vernal valve]

yeah lmao

i cannot imagine the release going smoothly. at the very least, the technical issues are going to be insane

[ember token]

it was quite stable in the beta though

[vernal valve]

i would genuinely be beyond impressed if the rollout was super smooth

[vernal valve]

yeah that was pretty shocking

[ember token]

but when you add in the inevitable server issues + having 2k people in some worlds all sailing at once

who knows what could happen

[vernal valve]

even setting the beta up in that state must have been an insane amount of work

[ember token]

the beta was stable but the release is gonna have issues that they have no way of realistically finding before launch

[tacit wharf]

only stability issue i think they'll have is from the sheer amount of people playing, if that

[cloud iron]

after watching a lot of contract Yama, gotta say the boss feels undercooked overall. Like the Delve drama forced them to rush this release since they had to push Delve back a couple months.

[plush gull]

how expensive do people think avernic treads will be

[cloud iron]

Hopefully like 500m and keep their value for a while so Delve is actually rewarding unlike Yama

[ember token]

they will certainly not be 500m

[vernal valve]

i expect delve to be pretty accessible so it'll probably be surprisingly cheap

[cloud iron]

Would be nice though

[vernal valve]

500m would require the drop rates to be tuned to an extent i don't think jagex would ever release again, lmao

or for the boss to be super inaccessible, which i also heavily doubt

[cloud iron]

Yeah more likely they're basically worthless compared to the time spent to get them just like the Yama rewards

[ember token]

I would guess 200m as the very very maximum

[plush gull]

that blowpipe max hit seems great pre mega

[vernal valve]

base yama is a good fight, but very different from what was expected/pitched. Contracts were definitely them trying to do waaaay too much, there's just absolutely no reason Yama needed 7 different bespoke variants

it's kind of clear to me the contract fights didn't get the level of individual refinement they needed, they just tried to bite off too much at once

[rain fulcrum]

I could see avernic treads going for 300m if they are sufficiently rare

Depends if jagex makes it reddit rates or not

The stats on those things is easily worth 300-400m

[cloud iron]

Yeah, definitely agree with this.

[vernal valve]

short term, absolutely. long term? I'd be very surprised.

[tacit wharf]

were they going to be tradable, after combining?

[minor whale]

I think only the base form is

[vernal valve]

I agree that the stats are worth 300-400m, but I can't imagine Jagex making them rare enough to sustain those prices

[minor whale]

But I could be misremembering

300-400m for one item would have to be nightmare rates

I super doubt it tbh

[rain fulcrum]

Yeah IDK which rare is even supposed to be the primary chase item here

[vernal valve]

base form, yeah. you can separate out the components

[rain fulcrum]

Is it the boots or is it eye

[vernal valve]

so it's not quite an avernic defender situation

you just lose tears when breaking it apart

[minor whale]

I think boots probably more common than eye

[vernal valve]

which may or may not be a real cost TBD

[cloud iron]

I honestly hope Yama gets a rework lol, even the base fight. The mechanics of Yama add difficulty in the worst ways. They're tedious and boring, not fun and engaging. I will say I do really like the 1 tick stepping stone thing though. That helps it feel a little better. Otherwise it's really sluggish feeling.

[vernal valve]

I think this is likely, yeah, but honestly hard to say

[rain fulcrum]

Sorry they'll look at it in 4 years

[lofty sinew]

do people even realize the eye is within 5% of shadow in nearly all content? it's easily the chase item

[minor whale]

I think the base fight is good, if a little easier than expected

[rain fulcrum]

It's worse than shadow in must places

[minor whale]

The mechanics are there but the execution is a bit lenient

[rain fulcrum]

Boots r straight bis

I am way more interested in the boots

[cloud iron]

It's just a step backwards, it is fine but nothing special.

[meager flame]

Yeah its not confusing at all the eye is the main item

[vernal valve]

eye is pretty overtuned yeah lmao

[tender harness]

the memes are writing themselves lmao This week’s game update is a little quieter than usual - think of it as the eye of the storm. We're using this time to make sure Yama is behaving (or misbehaving) in exactly the right ways. We're ironing out any unexpected bugs, glitches, or pact-related weirdness that might've crept in.

[minor whale]

Then contracted Yama just seems miserable

[meager flame]

People just get stuck assuming everyone has max and all the megas

[vernal valve]

tbf it's genuinely hard to tell with jagex

[fading maple]

Mage bowfa will absolutely slap at nylos

[minor whale]

Waited a week and 2 days to release them to ensure no bugs btw

[rain fulcrum]

The real question is will eye actually be much cheaper than shadow

[fading maple]

Yes

[vernal valve]

eye feels pretty overtuned to me, which makes me wonder if Jagex is aware of how good it actually is

[minor whale]

It's definitely good but pre-Shadow mage sucks so bad

[meager flame]

I mean its not do you think some bis but marginal boots or the only other magic weapon in the game that isn't dogshit is going to be more popular

[minor whale]

It being 15% less dps than it is good

[plush gull]

?? isnt it 30% worse than blowpipe at colo

where would u use eye besides whisp and raids?

[rain fulcrum]

Eye may actually have a worse drop rate than shadow

[tacit wharf]

he's doing it again

[lofty sinew]

who mentioned blowpipe? its within 5% of shadow where you would actually mage lmao

[vernal valve]

idk boots are less marginal than most other gear upgrades that aren't weapons in my eyes lmao

[plush gull]

u said " in nearly all content"

4 places ??

[minor whale]

Not even opening the message but I can gleam from contextual responses exactly what her message said

[meager flame]

Yeah but that is a weapon and the only one if you dont have a megarare

[vernal valve]

Like I said, I agree eye is the better "chase" item for sure. I'm mostly sideeyeing jagex's balance. I do still think it's probably the rarest drop though

[fading maple]

You would use the eye literally everywhere until you got a shadow, because a very large amount of people don't have unlimited gp

[lofty sinew]

ur either baiting or just unintelligent so im not gonna feed you

[rain fulcrum]

i dont think the eye is gonna be like 200m tho

itll easily be going for 400m+ unless jagex goofs the rates

[tacit wharf]

also have to consider how many ticks you'll miss using eye compared to shadow

[fading maple]

How difficult the content is + how rare the drop is will determine the price

Its impossible to know

[rain fulcrum]

sra is 400m and its trash unlike eye

[fading maple]

Sra is great tf

[vernal valve]

there's also just the distinct possibility all 3 uniques just have the same rates tbh

[minor whale]

Could be

[rain fulcrum]

i think the torm one is the most common

[plush gull]

im not baiting or unintelligent, u said "in nearly all content" then "where you would actually mage"

so do u mean places u would actually mage even without shadow?

[tacit pendant]

Sra is good

[minor whale]

See that I'm unsure of because torm is a HUGE buff to mage

[tacit pendant]

Eye will be great

[minor whale]

While the others are small buffs to everything or a great pre-Shadow weapon but still pre-Shadow

I could really see them all 3 being same rarity

[rain fulcrum]

torm is 2% mage str and boots are 1% + 3 rangestr right

[lofty sinew]

gauntlets also benefit eye big cuz its 3t so you'll proc the passive a lot more often compared to trident or sang

[rain fulcrum]

idk how much the passive thing about double missing is worth

eye being 3t doesnt matter at all for the passive

[tacit wharf]

honestly just having the 3 boots combined is a big qol for any place u have to switch gear

[minor whale]

Yeah tob is gonna be nuclear with gauntlets

[rain fulcrum]

idk how many ppl have to be explained this

the passive doesnt care how slow or fast the wep is

if u think the 3t wep is inaccurate cuz its 3t, thats wrong, its more accurate than sang

[lofty sinew]

sorry what? does it have an internal cooldown?

[rain fulcrum]

no, but it doesnt matter

[minor whale]

I think the thought is more chances to miss = more chances for effect

[rain fulcrum]

yeah that is not how the dps works in practice

[minor whale]

Ye

[lofty sinew]

if not you'll proc the gauntlet effect more often per second compared to a 4t wep so how is not more beneficial to a 3t wep

[minor whale]

More misses is bad in general

[rain fulcrum]

yes, but your hits are also lower

it balances out

[tacit pendant]

Being accurate on a bigger hit = being accurate on smaller ones

[lofty sinew]

hmm

oh well, i dps checked the eye a while ago anyway

its really good

[minor whale]

Yeah eye is poggers

It'll be very much used

[lofty sinew]

it was pitched as some nylo mage wep funnily enough but its borderline a mega rare for mage

[rain fulcrum]

yeah its probably a bit overtuned unless its extremely rare

which will put it out of reddit babies price range anyw

lol

[minor whale]

It'll be really good for anywhere you don't want to bring ass loads of mage swaps for Shadow

[rain fulcrum]

i wasnt sure how 3t will be on the mage nylo boss

[minor whale]

It'll be weird

[lofty sinew]

depending how high level content delve is it's probably insane for iron gear progression between trident and shadow

[tacit pendant]

Yeah its gonna slap at collo, yama, tob

[rain fulcrum]

its supposed to be endgame

but jagex has a weird definition of that

so i guess it could be vorkath tier

[lofty sinew]

even if its endgame its surely faster to get than shadow i'd assume

[rain fulcrum]

idk about that

shadow drop rate is cracked up

[lofty sinew]

my 700 toa's and 70 purps for my shadow tells a different story

[plush gull]

"5% worse than shadow"

[tacit wharf]

end-game is always a tricky word to use when talking about games

[rain fulcrum]

lol bad example

[lofty sinew]

kree

LMAO

atleast check olm or whisperer

something relevant

[plush gull]

u mean the 4 bosses i said?

[lofty sinew]

are you dense

[tacit pendant]

End game is especially tricky when you spend 10,000 in what might all be called "end game"

[lofty sinew]

when you mention mage and "nearly all content" one would connect it to content where shadow is typically used or mage in general

but thats too much of an ask

i guess

[minor whale]

Just modmail them if they keep being like that, literally only way for anyone to get anything said to them
Or block them, which is what I did, and my enjoyment of this channel jumped 80%

[plush gull]

again, shadow or mage??

kree is shadow content

whisp and raids are the only "mage" content

[tacit pendant]

Block ez

[tender harness]

you are absolutely the fact you havent been banned is beyond wild. easy block of my life

[rain fulcrum]

eye will be great at tob, decent at cox, decent at whisp but probably cancer to use during enrage, and probably mediocre in toa

:peepothink'

that really isnt that good other than the tob use case

by mediocre in toa i mean

everything that isnt shadow is ass there

[lofty sinew]

shadow is aids in enrage aswell, i wonder how 3t is

[tacit pendant]

Eye a lil annoying at cox

[rain fulcrum]

cant use eye on vesp right

[tacit pendant]

Its def the blowpipe of mage not bofa

[lofty sinew]

you'll either lose a tick every 4 hits at olm or you'll do some wonky dragging strats

[tacit pendant]

Imagine it costs 5mil

[rain fulcrum]

idk how good eye is on shamans but i assume not very

[minor whale]

3t will def get some movement tech probably

[lofty sinew]

it already exists

[rain fulcrum]

same for mystics

[lofty sinew]

but most people wont do it i assume

[tacit pendant]

Wait

[lofty sinew]

over just losing a tick every 12

[tacit pendant]

2tick eye on flames at yama 🔥

[minor whale]

Will be good for non-solo Cox

Before Shadow

[lofty sinew]

you can do the regular 3:0 but as 4:0 with eye, but when you get dragged its a 4 tick run to middle

[tacit pendant]

I was def thinking solo

[lofty sinew]

which is where the tick is lost unless you do advanced methods

[tacit pendant]

Am also a god awful coxer

[vernal valve]

gearscape has support for confliction gauntlets w/ and without passive btw, so you can directly check this. it's typically hilariously low value against any enemies you're already super accurate against, unsurprisingly

[tacit pendant]

Im kinda down to just bin the passive since that passive was a gap fill that eye fills