game-update

[vivid ruin]

Literally 0 kc at any boss

And sits here complaining about orbs

[fossil epoch]

ngl 135 colo isent bad though

thats quite respectable

but thats the only thing

[plush gull]

like i can do the oathplate contracts if i get arclight charges and do the regular boss for a bit

but then i would actually have to try to win and do the boss fight normally

like why???

^^^

^^^^^

[upbeat moss]

what do you even mean by that

[plush gull]

why is jagex railroading gameplay so much

do they hate emergent gameplay and challenge runs

[fossil epoch]

Ngl with how hard the yama fight seem to be atm, you probably could make some decent money at demons atm

[vivid ruin]

The game isnt framed around dying lol

[plush gull]

i would have an aneurysm if i grinded demons for these triggering contracts to sell them

i would literally die from a stroke of anger

i dont care if they give 2x colo gp/h

i cant

[fossil epoch]

You got this, i do believe in you

[slender vapor]

Gnomonkey is 1 hp dhing the new contract yama

[plush gull]

how many contracts does he have

which one

[fossil epoch]

well, he is trying

[upbeat moss]

bloodied blows

[plush gull]

bruh gnomonkey is always doing the same thing as me

[slender vapor]

[plush gull]

i wish reddit had listened to him on contracts

[fossil epoch]

Believ he started with like below 30 contracts

prob gonna buy more

cuz this aint looking like an easy angle day 1

[restive siren]

looks extremely difficult ye

wonder if thats the hardest

[upbeat moss]

anyone know whos doing what contract?

like, streamers to watch

[plush gull]

go do the fight yourself omg

[fossil epoch]

EVscape also doing bloodied blows

[plush gull]

do you even play this game?

[upbeat moss]

membership ran out and irl obligations make it so it doesnt make sense for me to resub currently

nice try though

[plush gull]

thanks for not increasing player count on this shit update

[restive siren]

why dont you reduce it to make a stance

[fossil epoch]

Muts is running the Catalyst Ac

its "only" 3125 hp

[plush gull]

im logged off

what even is the player count

[upbeat moss]

arent all those contracts the same? acquisition

[fossil epoch]

well their describtion is

[upbeat moss]

site says 94k

[fossil epoch]

we dont know if there is any difference yet i guess

[shadow wave]

Yama does have a tonne of under the hood changes in contract mode too, more than the contact says

[upbeat moss]

true

[fossil epoch]

Sync is doing Sensory clouding

[plush gull]

bloodied blows p1 is 7t attack speed

[shadow wave]

Like bloodied blows turns Yama into 7 tick attack cycle instead of 8

[plush gull]

ur making me angry again thats actually fun

:/

good practice for regular boss enrage too

[frail bough]

no you

[fossil epoch]

sync about to reach p3 though

[plush gull]

of what

[slender vapor]

Hardmode yama ain't fucking around

[plush gull]

i hate this update why are people ok with it why did it actually happen

i dont consent to this 😭

[fossil epoch]

cuz its hype, cuz we arent crying all day every day

[restive siren]

🔁

[sage latch]

i also think everything should be about me

[upbeat moss]

big fan of me too

[plush gull]

i also think only streamers should be able to do new content in my video game

everyone being able to play video game and try new fun hard bosses MAKES NO SENSE right??

[upbeat moss]

sync almost fucking nuked lol

[fossil epoch]

Yeh lol

that was fast

moving in p3, that prop what made regular yama bugged yesterday

[upbeat moss]

possibly, yeah

[plush gull]

also its dumb that they are doing dmm allstars with no league and no pz

why do they get to play with sigils and not other paying players

wtf is wrong with jagex

[jovial trench]

Is this discord normally like this? Holy shit

[noble vortex]

Ease up a bit Ren, I get you’re very upset but maybe take a walk or something to calm your nerves?

[fossil epoch]

In what way Bird?

[dreamy vapor]

Did the contract update happen?

[slender vapor]

It's just ren that's like this

[jovial trench]

Just relentless whining and arguing lol

[slender vapor]

They're making the server unpallatable

[fossil epoch]

I would say Ren is pretty dramatic in here, everyone else just having a great time atm

[upbeat moss]

coming in an saying things like this doesnt help or do anyhthing but provoke lol

[restive siren]

nah. just one person ragebaiting 24/7 sadly

[olive musk]

I

m so confused, why did the udpate go livean hour early???

Wtff

[restive siren]

yup

[fossil epoch]

Ren has been crying for atleast a week, the same 3 arguments over and over, trying to get engagement

[upbeat moss]

wait molgoatkirby almost got it dead

[olive musk]

Wasn't prepared for that

[jovial trench]

Ah ok ty

[upbeat moss]

nvm. dead with a couple hundred hp left

[slender vapor]

Block them and a lot of it goes away

Maybe the mods will deal with it

[plush gull]

they usually just ban for chargebacks without contenting them right

[upbeat moss]

yea

theyll ban until chargebacks are resolved iirc

(maybe its perm)

[plush gull]

but they dont bother contesting them like shitty airlines?

[upbeat moss]

idk, never done a chargeback

wouldnt recommend, since its typically just for fraud/theft/etc

[fossil epoch]

no worries basic, trying to get their money back for membership is one of their 3 topics

[plush gull]

when is the project zanaris news 😭

[shadow wave]

GL to HCIM going for White Oathplate

That shit looks intense

[plush gull]

i just wanna play the game

[frail bough]

#zanaris-general

[plush gull]

cant play the game no matter how much you pay

[upbeat moss]

then go play the game ffs

complaining ass

[plush gull]

😭😭😭😭😭

[upbeat moss]

jeez

[restive siren]

ye. but tbf people thought awakened bosses were impossible too, people learn fast

[plush gull]

i did 3 contracts, i can only do it for 2 hours if i sell all my colo gear

[upbeat moss]

stfu and go play the game or dont

annoying ass bro

[plush gull]

what do I do in 2 hours when my bank is wiped??

[fossil epoch]

molgoat almost got sensory cloding down, might be one of the first completions

[noble vortex]

Basic please don’t add to the fuel

[upbeat moss]

👍

[noble vortex]

Thank you 🙏

[plush gull]

no keep giving me advice

what do I do in 2 hours when my bank is wiped??

[fossil epoch]

Surely talking about trying to chargeback to punish jagex for an update, shouldnt be allowed in here?

[plush gull]

just asking about jagex's policy

[vivid ruin]

???

[restive siren]

how is 24/7 pasting the same 3 ragebait messages fine

its derailing the chat perma

people are understandably annoyed

[noble vortex]

We can’t always be in the chats 24/7. we rely on the community to assist us by reporting to modmail.

[slender vapor]

[restive siren]

well you have followed the chat the past hour

[plush gull]

im posting clips of the new fights and asking for advice on them

yall are weird

[noble vortex]

10 minutes

Just woke up lol

[restive siren]

i see

[slender vapor]

This is still shit ongoing from over an hour ago

[fossil epoch]

pretty much been ongoing for a week

[restive siren]

to modmail we go then

[vivid ruin]

This has been going on for weeks lol

[plush gull]

i can only do the fights for 2 more hours if i sell all my colo gear

[vivid ruin]

He just keeps talking

Even if no one responds

[plush gull]

the bloodied blows flares still heal right?

[jovial trench]

I'm out, gl with this dumpster fire

[noble vortex]

Hate to sound like a broken record guys but if things really get this bad we need those modmail reports 😦

[noble vortex]

Later sir

[plush gull]

plinxer was in here earlier, captain and some ninja dude have been trolling me a lot but i didnt think it was modmail worthy

[vivid ruin]

Lmao

[slender vapor]

[noble vortex]

Maybe consider stepping away for a bit to calm down?

[upbeat moss]

bloodied blows intense

[noble vortex]

Also guys, placing clown emojis is considered baiting and instigating at this point 😦

Let’s not do that please 😦

[vivid ruin]

🤖

[slender vapor]

And their behaviour the last week hasn't been?

[frail bough]

he's already stepped in to assist

which is working

[noble vortex]

I’ve been up for a little over 10 minutes now and this is the first I’ve heard of this all week

[frail bough]

let us be thankful

[noble vortex]

Let’s just try and get back on topic 🙂

[sage latch]

glyphic attenuation is looking a bit less intense

noobtype is going for it

[plush gull]

someone said bloodied blows was auto melee max hit but i wasnt max hitting

[frail bough]

im still watching bloodied blows things

[plush gull]

does it require mark of darkness or something?

[slender vapor]

Judge phase slaps

[plush gull]

sigh guess im buying more contracts

[fossil epoch]

Gnome is hitting 70's in blodied blow every hit, expect on misses

[frail bough]

the judge phase is funny af 😄

[fossil epoch]

with SRA

[shadow wave]

All melee weapons either miss or max it seems

[upbeat moss]

i miss the dh attempts :(

[shadow wave]

In that contract

[frail bough]

was sort of hping that dh would stack

but its so inaccurate and doesnt stack :(((

[shadow wave]

So BGS spec too

[fossil epoch]

Molgoat gets to p3 on sensory pretty accurately, but he just got fucked because the waves switch position

[upbeat moss]

stamina drain in Fo. Breath seems pretty slow

[plush gull]

im not max hitting in bloodied blows tho?

[frail bough]

like they come from the throne??? lol

[fossil epoch]

Its usually the same spot you can stand every time to skip both

but they moved 1 tile at spawn

then moved back the next

[plush gull]

not buying anymore

[upbeat moss]

demand goes up, price goes up

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/chappelles-show-dave-chappelle-chappelles-tyrone-tyrone-biggums-gif-4958017

[upbeat moss]

contracts leaving the game, price goes up

[plush gull]

why wasnt i max hitting is there an hp threshold

[upbeat moss]

what was your hp

[plush gull]

i think it was over 100 on first attempt until i started orbing down to try to tick eat flares

[upbeat moss]

gnomonkey p3 bl. blows

[fossil epoch]

oh seems like Newtype beat one

The Attenuation

[upbeat moss]

aaaaaaand done

[slender vapor]

Bloodied blows looks nasty

Gnomes almost getting to p3

[upbeat moss]

i also thought it was brutal lmfao
it sounds better

[plush gull]

bloodied blows flares still heal him so im gear checked

not maxing every hit even with 30 hp

[slender vapor]

Yeah i think brutal works better too

[plush gull]

o i forgot to use my contract this time

lol

soo much dialogue its annoying

guess i need to reset left click challenge

u cant even use a contract by talking to yama lmao

why do you have spend hours doing other content and then gamble just to do this content??

[frail bough]

thats essentially the whole game

[plush gull]

ok i got the boost to work

its not max hit but it boosts by like however much or something

[compact flicker]

Never try ironman then

[plush gull]

its none of the game besides orbs and contracts? i dont have to do 3 hours of other bosses every time i wanna do colo

[frail bough]

how much time did you spend doing other content to get the gear for colo

[upbeat moss]

dont engage lol

[plush gull]

88 is not my max

[plush gull]

ive done colo in 20m setup no food

[sacred cove]

Is there a way to not see ignored message when you have someone ignored

[frail bough]

nope :/

[upbeat moss]

no unfortunately. itll always show
"x blocked/ignored messages"

[frail bough]

unfortunately it still spams the chat

[plush gull]

bruh bloodied blows looks possible with no mage but i cant afford enough contracts

😦

[sacred cove]

I see that

[upbeat moss]

and its especially annoying because then you see other people having a conversation with nobody, making it harder to want to talk in chat at all

[plush gull]

do contracts have a buy limit?

theyre still not buying but prices.wiki says theyre selling for lower than my offer

[trim rivet]

does anybody know what is pet rate with aether runecrafting?

[plush gull]

it seems like contracts have a buy limit of 5?

[fossil epoch]

Anyone has a setup for "afking" demons on an alt?

[frail bough]

this is all i got, idk if it helps

there's not really a great way to afk and benefit from style bonus

i guess it depends on how afk your afk is

i always forget about goading potions

[plush gull]

cant even do fight if ur willing to pay? 😕

[fossil epoch]

yeh thats way too high a setup for my alt, which i had to bond to give it member items lol

[compact flicker]

Might be more efficient to grind your own contracts for now

[frail bough]

😄 id just do your best to sub stuff but i haven't played low level account in so long that im not sure how much i can assist lol

[compact flicker]

Until the demand drops

[fossil epoch]

pretty good sell lol

[plush gull]

are they actually selling for over 6m right now? it seems to be buy limit

[upbeat moss]

if only there was a period of 10 days you could farm/buy contracts

or even get a single kc on the normal boss

[frail bough]

dont engage!

[vivid ruin]

No thats the period we camp oscord and complain the whole time

[compact flicker]

I don't use the GE, so am not certain

[vivid ruin]

Then day 1 release we wonder why contracts spike

[upbeat moss]

(i think it is buy limit, which is monumentally stupid from jagex. 5 is way too low still lol)

[plush gull]

its buy limit...

they are crashing not increasing

[upbeat moss]

but i have them blocked so they wont see that i agree with what theyre saying (i think?)

[frail bough]

there was a mod commenting on not adjusting the limits at the moment

i think it was yesterday or day before

id say goblin cause he talks the most but im not entirely sure

[plush gull]

lol literally just dont let people play bosses

ok

whatever jagex

[upbeat moss]

its just weird because i see gnomonkey wtih like 5 bloodied blows contracts left...
though, im sure he'll just switch which one hes doing if buy limit is an issue

[frail bough]

yeah probs

[upbeat moss]

5 does seem low though

[frail bough]

this is why we wait 😄

[upbeat moss]

is that shared for all contracts? like how dragon bones and wyvern bones share limit?

[frail bough]

wait do they actually

[upbeat moss]

yeah, some items do

[frail bough]

i doubt it shared for all, that would actually be mental

[upbeat moss]

right, but i wouldnt be surprised lol

[shadow wave]

Gnomonkey has people buying contracts for him

[plush gull]

someone buy contracts for me so i can try the new boss?

[shadow wave]

I mean he's paying the GP for them, they're just using their buy limit

[upbeat moss]

right, makes sense

[plush gull]

how does it make sense for this to be a thing??

[compact flicker]

Not alowed to make trade through this server btw, as per #old-rules

[plush gull]

ok

sorry

only streamers are allowed to play new bosses my bad

i wasnt serious about doing a chargeback but lmao this is just weird

[slender vapor]

Apparently mage trivializes bloodied

[frail bough]

yeah just saw that lmao

[slender vapor]

Gnomes almost depressed

The hard AF melee challenge

Became easy mage

[upbeat moss]

lmfao he spent so long on it with melee...

[slender vapor]

Don't need to keep low hp

So the largest part of it was made easier

[upbeat moss]

shadow wins again

[frail bough]

it is honestly depressing ngl

[upbeat moss]

this is how i know gnomonkey isnt based and true and real

[hasty shard]

i got to p3 second try

i have not tried more

[upbeat moss]

"i was having so much fun"
then stops doing what he was having fun with, to do the cringe mage way

poor little fella

[hasty shard]

grr the contracts dont say the increased stats stuff

[frail bough]

uh doesnt it?

"Some of the restraints on Yama's strength will be removed."

[hasty shard]

it says that on like every scroll

not too helpful

[frail bough]

does he not gain stats on every contract?

[fossil epoch]

When you bond up the alt to farm some contracts, and when you get there, the game is like
"You gotta complete A kingdom divided first" AND THEN its like
"You gotta complete forsaken tower to start the quest" AND THEN
"You gotta complete x marks the spot to start forsaken tower"

[frail bough]

😂

[hasty shard]

like for one the judge gets buffed which aint mentioned

[warm epoch]

I think the polling charter needs to be re-adressed after thinking about how things have been getting polled and what's introduced

[plush gull]

yeah they completely avoided mentioning or polling awakeners orbs 2.0

same with untradeable death charge

what is going on with that??

is it like insider trader or something?

[meager flame]

Its simple they'd rather do whatever they want as much as possible

Thats really the only reason anything changed

[warm epoch]

It feels like it

They used valuable development time as a massive excuse, but there's truly no (public) reflection on what's coming into the game

[meager flame]

I mean their process in the order that they choose to work on things was always up to them

The rest was about making it harder for content to fail

And defining more areas where they can do whatever

[plush gull]

"valuable" development time when they dont even let people try the bosses they are making?? 🤔

[warm epoch]

We used to have polls further into the development process

It's now at concept phase which over and over again has proven to differ too much

[meager flame]

Yeah they could've always just not done that though

They didn't need to define that for anyone

[warm epoch]

They did because it gave a much clearer idea

People used to just vote no to unclear stuff

[plush gull]

ever since huey, polls and updates have missed the mark entirely

[warm epoch]

Forestry is much bigger than huey

[meager flame]

I'm ngl though

I can see a graph of how many players are playing

[plush gull]

need ososrs

[meager flame]

Theyre just moving away from something that never stopped working

I guess being the only mmo ever to grow for a decade wasn't enough

[warm epoch]

It'll collapse at some point if they're not careful

[meager flame]

I mean if it does that will be typical jagex brain

They can't go for more than a few years without some insanely unnecessary controversy that threatens to sink the ship

Its just what they do

Wouldn't be surprised if this eventually steps up into something like that lol or if something totally random happens as usual

[restive siren]

player count has remained insanely stable no

or what are you referring to

[meager flame]

It goes up

I'm talking about their strategy of attempting to end themselves for no apparent reason like

[restive siren]

kk must have misunderstood what you were talking about

[warm epoch]

It goes up because it's a well crafted game, but them undermining polls every so often is unrelated to how well crafted it is

[meager flame]

Wilderness removal or eoc or when they wanted to ban runelite

We're always a few years from them threatening something insane nobody wouldve thought of

[warm epoch]

I am very curious to see how sailing will go after forestry

[meager flame]

They leaked the latest one not long ago

With the membership survey

Theyre always contemplating some way of throwing it all away it's hilarious

[warm epoch]

I'm willing to give them a chance on those surveys

I've personally used surveys to show my bosses they're idiots

[meager flame]

Yeah that's kinda the thing though

The idiots almost escape all the time or do escape like with eoc

They halved their playerbase overnight lmao

[warm epoch]

There's a leadership (high up) problem with monetizing everything, but there's a low level JMod issue with these polls imo

I don't wanna attack the 2nd group for the first issue

[meager flame]

I think ultimately it's a culture thing most places have bad ideas occasionally

[plush gull]

ngl i cant wait for the bonfire update so i can low hp DH awakened vard instead, awakeners orbs are so much cheaper and higher buy limit than contracts

[meager flame]

Jagex is literally drama though tnt should sue them

You get everything from them

[warm epoch]

Yeah it doesn't seem like bad ideas are shot down often enough with what still manages to come out

[meager flame]

Crazy ceos any controversy you can think of jmods ddosing players and hacking them running gambling discords

You name it

They do it

Lmao

I bet that place is wild in real life

[warm epoch]

Yeah it's weird with how good the jmods seem to be individually

[plush gull]

😭

[meager flame]

Who knows what we dont hear about

[swift ivy]

any news on the insider trader guy who said buy oath helms

[warm epoch]

ye they figured out it was jeb

[plush gull]

i dont understand this weird corruption stuff but is it the reason for contracts?? cuz it makes no sense otherwise

[meager flame]

Lmao

[plush gull]

to design bosses and not let people play them

[warm epoch]

you can do the boss

it's pay to compete, like magic the gathering

[plush gull]

#game-update message

[swift ivy]

i feel like every stream is using mage only rn, wish there was some other styles mixed in. but its still early things might change

[warm epoch]

6m is clearly too low for such a valuable item

[plush gull]

to be fair i dont understand how the buy limit works either but it seems like anti corruption if anything?

[plush gull]

its crashing

[warm epoch]

Mage only is just much easier

[plush gull]

its buy limit of 5

thats why it doesnt sell

[warm epoch]

Just first try it

[swift ivy]

yeaah true

[plush gull]

but like the whole contracts system just seems weird, ive only heard arcane forced it through cuz he plays another game alot

is that really the only reason?

[upbeat moss]

gnomonkey genuinely sad when he realized/found out you dont need to 1hp melee the 1hp contract lol

and switched the mage

[swift ivy]

yeah i saw that, im sad too. but who knows setups might change

[warm epoch]

Did you hear it from a JMod? If not, it's obviously not true

[upbeat moss]

hopefully. oh well

[plush gull]

i think so? didnt arcane say it on q&a

[warm epoch]

Idk why he thought that'd be needed lmao

[upbeat moss]

what, 1hp?

[warm epoch]

No, Arcane and other jmods have said they played poe. Nothing about Arcane forcing anything through.

[thick beacon]

it still seems pretty hard regardless imo

[fossil epoch]

Dont listen to ren, he is straight up just making stuff up at this point

[warm epoch]

Yeah

[thick beacon]

way harder then i expected based off contract

[warm epoch]

I'm just bored on my commute, I'll entertain myself with the troll lol

[upbeat moss]

something about dealing more damage with lower hp

[warm epoch]

Yes but risking one shots vs playing it safe?

Imo there's a clear way to go for day 1

Like it doesn't say your damage will be lowered with higher hp

[plush gull]

i wonder what car arcane drives if he thinks a scythe is a flex because people spent money

[warm epoch]

Which imo would've been an interesting addition to it

[vivid ruin]

Why are you always talking about spending irl on osrs

[warm epoch]

Dude buys like 500m worth of bonds every month

[neon gate]

So stupid man

Goblin on reddit: Just don't play the game watch twitch instead

[plush gull]

pls stop pinging me just to troll me

[vivid ruin]

Tbh he has 0 kc on every boss so i dont even see how he thinks any of his arguments hold weight

[vivid ruin]

Look in the mirror

[warm epoch]

Ye lmao idk

[plush gull]

dont join in with the trolls

[warm epoch]

There's the other side where people with plenty of kc have shit takes though

Even if they're sometimes right

[swift ivy]

i was kind of hoping they'd change oath to be a set effect today

[vivid ruin]

True

[warm epoch]

Goblin said they're not a big fan of set effects

[plush gull]

in case u genuinely cant read tho @vivid ruin ,i was not talking about that, i was literally quoting arcane

[vivid ruin]

K

[plush gull]

if you see someone with a scythe, you know they spent a lot of money to earn that. That's cool!

[swift ivy]

oh i didnt see that, ty.

ye that makes sense, idk how much i like them either and i guess i am glad that reddit guy was just making up bs and wasnt actually right haha

[upbeat moss]

yeah dont read into that too literally lol. that literally screams of "game dev talking to/about/from the new player/noob experience"

just talking about chase items in general

which hes not wrong

[neon gate]

wait for buff scape

[warm epoch]

Yeah if its done its because they don't see any other way out

[plush gull]

why is that a flex but not using more orbs, which involves playing the game more and having more money and more experience with the bosses...

arcanes comment makes no sense to me x.x

[warm epoch]

Can't wait to go the rs3 route, several hours of upkeep for 1 hour of pvm

[upbeat moss]

what?

[plush gull]

in some of the response to arcane tho, someone answered my question

apparently the issues they are creating are not an issue in the other game

idk why jagex is doing that

[warm epoch]

Because they didn't want to go full poe

[plush gull]

they went beyond the other game

in gatekeeping the ability to do boss fights for fun

apparently

even though osrs is worse equipped for it

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1kkrsui/yamama_ask_the_devs_about_yama/mrxbhb6/

[thick beacon]

i think a practice mode would be a good compromise

[upbeat moss]

Majoritly agree, and that's why we don't have entire bosses that are gated by this system. Only enhanced versions that are mostly there to unlock cosmetics, no real loss to your journey.

[thick beacon]

project zanaris will prob give that option to

[plush gull]

who said that??

[upbeat moss]

arcane

[plush gull]

zanaris will solve a lot of problems

really? cosmetics...

[upbeat moss]

please read the message ffs

mostly for cosmetics

and the second part of his reply

[plush gull]

i dont even have oathplate... and i wont have torva when i start high alching blood torva kits after bonfire update

[upbeat moss]

Yama is doing something a bit different in that regard, and we'll see how it plays out. But yeah at the end of the day people just don't think it's worth it, then we'll not bother anymore.

[plush gull]

i dont know which comment ur quoting

its not the one i posted and u havent u linked it

[upbeat moss]

the one replying directly to the one you linked

ffs

nvm waste of time interacting with you

[plush gull]

ok

so they wont do it anymore

but what about contracts and awakeners orbs??

[upbeat moss]

suck it up

[plush gull]

getting them as a reward does not solve the problems people are raising at all

[upbeat moss]

dont play the game if you dont like it

[compact flicker]

Path of Exile mentioned

I get their idea, works well for poe's economy and people can far, whatever tier of content they want for profit

[plush gull]

id love to play the game :( still on buy limits for contracts and even with no buy limit i can only afford 4 hours of gameplay if i wipe my bank

[warm epoch]

I agree basic

[plush gull]

anyway what was i talking about

[plush gull]

yeah this

[upbeat moss]

what a waste of fucking time

[plush gull]

i am not the only person who likes to increase challenge until i only die

ive seen multiple other people say the same thing

and rewarding keys on completion does not address those players

[warm epoch]

Not everything needs to be ultra tailored to you

[plush gull]

bruh why are you joining the trolls

i have 3 people blocked already

[velvet token]

ren do you ever give it a rest 😂

[warm epoch]

I'm telling you the truth

[plush gull]

💀

[upbeat moss]

no, they dont

its been literally 3 weeks

[plush gull]

ur acting like i said the opposite of what i did

[warm epoch]

Ye moderation here is kinda wacky

You can get revoked for correcting people

[velvet token]

i check some of the chats now n again and i always see ren causing mischief 😂

[upbeat moss]

its always "ohh wee didnt see it happen"
sure, theyre not explicitly breaking a rule, but holy shit talk about killing fucking vibes

[warm epoch]

Yep

[plush gull]

there are way more messages complaining about me than my messages making valid points about game updates 😆

[warm epoch]

Being antagonistic is breaking the rules btw

Just for what that's worth

[upbeat moss]

yeah tell that to the mods lmfao

[warm epoch]

No no that's what the mods told me when I corrected people giving out false info in the ch channels

[slender vapor]

Apparently until people touch modmail nothing gets done

[plush gull]

i guess i need to send a modmail about all the trolls in here, yall are derailing my discussions about contracts too much

[upbeat moss]

LOL

[tender harness]

even when touching mod mail nothing gets done other than a polite fuck off

[minor whale]

3 weeks of this guy going "I have to spend $4500 a month guys I'm serious!! If you tell me I'm trolling I'll say you're a reddit kid, but don't worry, mods will do nothing about me! Also I posted a Reddit page about charging back Jagex for membership I wouldn't have bought if they added contracts, but that one wasn't serious, but I talked about it like it was until I got called out for it"

[nocturne solstice]

Why is it every time i look in here you're arguing with a group of people

[plush gull]

wtf are you on about? its only @fossil epoch who called me a kid, ihavent called anyone a kid

[minor whale]

Because they relentlessly troll and bait constantly, literally 24/7

[tender harness]

but anyway please for the love of god dont ever add contracts or awakeners again. why cant we just have walk in and try something hard and have fun

[vivid ruin]

You're the only one complaining about your complaints and pretending like anyone is agreeing with you

[gritty briar]

Contracts good me n my friend been making good gp farming them

[upbeat moss]

arcane, in the ama, said that it probably wont be a thing again if yama contracts dont go over well
which, its still not too late. they just need better rates

[neon gate]

it's waaaay beyond too late

[upbeat moss]

its not

but okay

[neon gate]

It was not going over well pre launch

[warm epoch]

That doesn't make it too late

[neon gate]

it was too late when they released them as tradable items

[tender harness]

its wild that they thought it was a thing to begin with. they took awakeners and decided to run with something worse

[warm epoch]

It still makes it a shit system

[neon gate]

can't put the cat back in the bag

[upbeat moss]

shit, nvm lol

[warm epoch]

I think the cosmetic ones should just be single use unlocks

[slender vapor]

Contracts getting scrapped would be amazing

Same with awakeners

[obsidian venture]

Was a bad system from the conception. Looking at these fights, could have been duo

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

[meager flame]

I mean look at the hp lmao

It looks like it is duo

[compact flicker]

They wanted to add more to the economy but it back-fired a bit ye

[obsidian venture]

The when is doubling hp ever fun

[nocturne solstice]

@plush gull Look you've had a good amount of time to vent and let out your frustrations in this channel but it's getting to the point where it's disruptive. You can discuss updates here but constantly shitting on every single thing that gets added and making wild statements like how "only streamers are allowed to play new bosses my bad" because you haven't gotten the contracts with 2 different drop sources and availability in the GE is just too much man.

Like just cool off it for a while

[warm epoch]

That can still happen with the oathplate/horn/stuff contracts

[tender harness]

only a bit? just casually pump more oathplate into the economy especially with contracts

[obsidian venture]

Tryna appease midgame Billies shouldn’t be a thing for “endgame” content

[meager flame]

Yo also I'm ngl

[compact flicker]

Ye the boss has enough drops

[meager flame]

I crafted a helm with the bad luck shards

[tender harness]

you get shards?

[warm epoch]

450 shards to craft

[meager flame]

It was almost cool actually mechanically using the forge and all

But

It went on for so long for 9 bars lmao

[warm epoch]

Dude the wiki says it takes 4 minutes to smith? Is that true?

[meager flame]

And then had a cutscene lmao

[tender harness]

loot like this just makes me not want to do the boss. it just takes the wind out of the sails to go in and come out at a loss per kill

[meager flame]

Lmao probably

[neon gate]

"only streamers are allowed to play new bosses" is basically a Goblin quote

[obsidian venture]

Bank 99 crafting 🔥

[warm epoch]

Crazy lmao

[neon gate]

If you're looking for somewhere to chill out and tune in, check out any of the following on Twitch: Gnomonkey, Newtype (a.k.a. Noobtype), Synq, Molgoatkirby, Muts, EvScape, Unluckers, Saxerpillar, Clipper, Skiddler, lordjraze, Lord_Hisoka - there are probably more, but that's who I'm cycling through! (Also Widega_ whenever he's back online, if you're not familiar with him then you should be because he's an animal)

[plush gull]

i already used my buy limit

[neon gate]

These guys are allowed to play the new bosses

[tender harness]

like obviously the ask isnt to have it be like pre muspah and spit out bazillion GP/hr

but that just isnt fun either

[warm epoch]

I think that's taking it out of context wizzy

[upbeat moss]

god forbid the devs support content creators that promote their game

[neon gate]

I want to play awakened Yama myself but I just don't have the funds to dump hundreds of mils into orbs

I wanted endgame content and was dissappointed by base Yama

[obsidian venture]

Yeah base yama really isn’t it

[nocturne solstice]

Then go to sleep and you'll get 40 more assuming you sleep 8 hours.

[warm epoch]

Yeah base Yama very much is disappointing

It's as easy as 6:0 gwd

[nocturne solstice]

oh nvm its 10 more

[obsidian venture]

Said it since day 1

[nocturne solstice]

damn pranked

[neon gate]

The awakened yamas look super cool and I wish the base fight was closer to them

[obsidian venture]

They could have been

And could have been duo

[neon gate]

But I will never get to grind awakened out because not designed for farming lol orb price

[tender harness]

base yama is fine. if contracts could have been a toggle to just attempt instead that would have been probably chefs kiss.
unlock one drop that lets you turn on additional hard modes for the cosmetics or something

[winter hearth]

fwiw I don't think we will experiment with similar again. It is a bit of a conundrum in spots though: broadly we like the idea of harder fights for content that can still have players outside of the super elite interact (which from a business perspective, is important). Problem becomes - we make a harder fight, it needs to be more rewarding or worth repeating in some way. If that way is just 'better loot' then talented players figure it out and the economy warps around it and it's worse for everybody else, so might as well not really exist for them. It's sort of a rock and a hard place to 'make really difficult stuff to satisfy players who want really difficult stuff' without spending loads of time doing stuff that most players will never ever touch, or finding some way to marry the two up

[meager flame]

Tbh yeah that's understandable having a boss that would probably be pretty fun gatekept by ridiculous sums of gp for entry or slaying black demons like it's your full time job is not a fun video game

[neon gate]

I'm gonna start saving up for the Delve boss orbs now so I'll be ready

[warm epoch]

Add a cape that shows completion amount

[plush gull]

wasnt there stuff about delve boss skip tokens in the blog posts though? are the plans for that changing?

[meager flame]

Tbh

[minor whale]

You can make a harder fight that is equal/slightly better loot but is more 'fun' for people who want to do it, for free
Not everything that's hard has to be gated behind a weird access system that funnels gp from hlc -> lower levels

[warm epoch]

Honest though I don't get why being challenged should give more rewards

[neon gate]

Problem becomes - we make a harder fight, it needs to be more rewarding or worth repeating in some way. If that way is just 'better loot'

I don't think this has really been explored outside of maybe 540 TOA. HMT, CMs are worse gp than regulars. Awakened droprate balancing vs hp balancing means they would be bad gph even if they were free. The sort of players that can bang out awakened tier content 24/7 1. don't care about gp and 2. are miniscule compared to the bots at base versions

[obsidian venture]

Think we just want a repeatable boss that is worth the time to do for fun. Doesn’t necessarily have to be insane for monetary value. That also doesn’t need a consumable to use each time to do
It

[meager flame]

I dont think you need a reason to repeat that's a false assumption

There isn't really a reason to repeat the inferno

[obsidian venture]

Yeah and it’s still content that gets folks engaged for giving nothing in return

[meager flame]

Its free to enter too so nobody is mad you can go have fun

The only bad thing is task hunting

[obsidian venture]

You probably go negative everytime you enter

[neon gate]

"without spending loads of time doing stuff that most players will never ever touch" I just don't understand how this concern could have possibly landed on "lets add a prohibitive entry free"

[obsidian venture]

And people still pot it

[minor whale]

People like Port Khazard who have a few thousand awakened kc just want to do the fight because it's fun

[warm epoch]

What if it had a literal entry fee? 100k gp

[minor whale]

Just let hlc have fun occassionally without having to do some extra step lmao

[neon gate]

well thatd be meaningless 🤷‍♂️ wouldn';t really care

[tender harness]

Sure it absolutely does need to be worth re-doing in some way I dont think anyone disagrees with that.
but the awakener style/contract system just isn't that mark.

something where its a drop you unlock, that turns on additional mechanics maybe? just slowly unlock the ability to toggle on additional mechanics for more reward? not sure, but there is never anything wrong with just letting the player choose how they want to do the encounter from the start whether its more risk for more reward or just simply the base encounter.

People want to have a challenge but have fun at the end of the day. if said challenge is tied to some random sink of items that is arbitrarily RNG to just even access to begin with. that just doesn't make sense.

[winter hearth]

I feel like a lot of people say this, but 'for fun' doesn't really happen much in actuality?

To build on @meager flame's example, the number of people speedrunning Inferno or doing it beyond CAs is tiny, which is fine because it's still rad but idk if that's 'good enough' - Inferno being super fun is largely because of how much emergent stuff is in there, but maybe we should - just not sure if many on the team would be willing to gamble on spending a bunch of time making a hardmode that people just might not ever do beyond a small handful etc.

[warm epoch]

I do pnm for fun, the drop rates are awful and I won't expect to get drops there

[hard axle]

Personally, I think folks rather have something like CG with minor amount of inflation and even higher GE Tax than Orbs/contracts.

Make it double death fee (ie. 1M cap) so the burden is on the player’s skill

[winter hearth]

Agree on the last part, like I said above (and on a Reddit thread earlier) - lesson learned, not doing it again, and still need to fix stuff here

[plush gull]

@winter hearth any possible plans to make every contract repeatable until completion? or retroactively adjust the system to be less poe style?

[meager flame]

I mean you can still award something like the infernal cape for example so people want their 1 kc but like

[thick beacon]

think a big problem in general with alot of harder content its just not worth doing for the reward

[neon gate]

Honestly no, but I do think there is room for hard content to still be actually rewarding and worthwhile i.e. 540 toa

[winter hearth]

The problem here is once you get good at it - it's not a burden, what's there to keep you doing it? Fun sure, but most will churn and move onto other more rewarding stuff

[meager flame]

It just seems like we're trying to do too much and it's economically driven

[slender vapor]

I'm glad the system is being walked back, but yama and dt2 bosses surely can't be left how they are

[thick beacon]

hmt<tob cm=cox etc

[winter hearth]

540 TOA is rewarding because the unique rates are a huge mistake though like, I don't think high-level TOA is a healthy approach for us to use as an example

Edit to add: in my opinion

[meager flame]

And honestly it's a game we're supposed to be having fun not doing cost analysis

[minor whale]

There it is
"Who cares about the small hlc because the big majority of players will never do it"
People love watching people better than them do stuff they can't do, or have aspirations of doing
That's a HUGE reason all the DMM stuff is so popular on Twitch, as well as world first completions of hard content. It's exciting! Letting everyone try it out would get more people to engage with it rather than gatekeeping it behind having to jump through another hoop

[neon gate]

If awakened bosses were something like 10x droprate and free, they'd be worth doing for actual glog with decent skill, and the people who can 100% them still wouldn't bother because they don't care about GP anyway

[hard axle]

Also, any chance we make awakener orbs 10x pet rate too?

[warm epoch]

Dt2 bosses can be fixed by just making an eternal orb somehow, idk compact like 100 of them

[hard axle]

Right now it’s 1x, same as base DT2 bosses

[winged mantle]

if you do awakened style bosses in the future - a rare untradable drop to unlock the fight permenately may be worth visiting?

[neon gate]

Oh I agree 540 TOA has its issues, but it does show that people will do the hardest option if they think it's worth it. Compare to HMT which barely anybody does

[plush gull]

are u secretly trying to make awakened bosses less accessible to me o.O

[hard axle]

[winter hearth]

It's not a case of 'who cares', I care a lot and I wanna see cool, marketable stuff, like WoW Race to World First tier - but it is a huge risk and can understand why there's an appetite to try having more approachable bosses with really tough harder variants, just a case of trying to figure out how to make those harder variants feel exciting/worthwhile long-term, and it's not something we've really gotten right yet (except maybe HMT?)

[obsidian venture]

For example, endgame folks were more pleased with Royal Titans, than they were with base Yama. You don’t need to cater to a “small” group, but you can’t deny that more and more folks will go into endgame as time goes on, just to hit a brick wall of content.

[winged mantle]

sol heridit imo

[plush gull]

inferno and colo are good

[winged mantle]

you can wave 1 farm or do full runs

[plush gull]

lots of room for challenge runs and speedrunning too

[winged mantle]

the boss is fantastic

[neon gate]

I don't think you got HMT right. Right would be that most people would intend to longterm farm HMT because it's worth doing, and that is just not what happens

[plush gull]

i want more content like inferno and colo

[winter hearth]

Sol's probably my 2nd fave boss in the game behind Olm

[hard axle]

No no, I agree with this. The thing is if uniques were actually worth their rightful amount from 540s being 9-10% instead of 17%, I do believe that high level toa would still be rewarding enough to send

[minor whale]

I know SO many endgame players who just have let their mems lapse because nothing really juicy for them has come out since Colo

[plush gull]

i was hoping yama would be similar, something I can make super hard nearly impossible just to ram my head against

like barehanded colo etc

[obsidian venture]

Hmt is a step down from regs unfortunately

[thick beacon]

not in terms of base difficulty

its much harder

[obsidian venture]

People learn really bad habits as well

[meager flame]

This is interesting because the race is actually entirely based on a free to enter harder version of the more approachable raid with mass appeal

You guys are doing the complete opposite

[obsidian venture]

Wait why did you 🔥 my comment 😭

[winter hearth]

With some rewards that can only be obtained from there, being the issue - we couldn't do that in OSRS

[winter hearth]

mostly trying to agree

[obsidian venture]

Icic

[velvet token]

i think oathplate would of been better for a raids 4 drop unique

[hard axle]

If you aren’t an iron, you still do content that you enjoy and isn’t terrible money. That’s the beauty of not being restricted.

It’s only ever an issue like in 2020 pre-ge tax and bots pumping more items and supplies than the community could buy out.

I think stuff like tallow, dragon arrows/darts, and pvm exclusive drops are beneficial without needing alchables too.

[meager flame]

Yeah but most players dont actually even do that version of the raid

Blizzard heavily nerfs mythic several times once it's over

[hard axle]

Ehhhh

[meager flame]

The race I mean

[neon gate]

I feel like this would be more hype and more marketable and have more participants if everybody attempting these wasn't griping about orb costs, begging at the GE for people to buy them orbs, and overall negative about the gameplay systems around the content , completely overshadowing the content itself. All lessons that could have been learned from orbs or even the reddit thread pre launch, but weren't

[upbeat moss]

shit, dont they nerf during the race sometimes too?

[meager flame]

Yeah sometimes it's generally impossible or super close to it

[lofty sinew]

@winter hearth If jagex aknowledges that the contracts were a bad idea and won't be done again, how about you just pull the plug and make contracts very accessible and common? the system is inherently bad and very disliked. This content can be difficult and easily retried if the expensive contract concept is just scrapped

[winter hearth]

For sure they don't, but WoW's progression systems are different. We couldn't put out something Awakened Tier and say 'also there is a worthwhile unique reward that requires you to complete this', but I guess it more depends on whether or not players in general feel Awakened/Contracts are tougher than Inferno/Colo (I think they are)

[neon gate]

if I need full radiant for re-GM at these rates I simply will not do it.

[thick beacon]

everything more punishing and difficult i dont see how anyone can objectively argue against this

[warm epoch]

What's the issue with linking super tough bosses to a CA task?

[neon gate]

it's unreasonable

[tender harness]

Depends on how you define fun. as that is a spectrum that will differ for many of people.
is there content right now, that people perhaps dont find fun for various reasons but if it was changed maybe would? perhaps.
while one person may find doing speeds and pushing bleeding edge fun, the other 20 people might not. it will ultimately differ for everyone what we all find fun

PNM is a good example of this, its such a genuinely cool boss on paper, but there is a lot of things such as the drop rates, the run back prior to tele, that just suck out so much of the enjoyment from this that prevented it from being an actual fun boss.

if there are tweaks done, just enough to encourage people to not necessarily do speeds but step foot into something they may not find fun, they could realize the content potential, or realize no I still dont like it, which is fine but at that point they atleast tried the content a fair amount of people just dont try something because it looks not fun before actually doing it

[neon gate]

Nothing except when they have an entry fee

[warm epoch]

Ye it was more so meant to Goblin

[winter hearth]

Am talking to the team a lot about frequency. They are pretty quick to amass from demons tbf, but uptake from mains hasn't been super high and I don't know if many Irons are interested at all, which is fair enough. Think bringing Yama closer to parity might be worthwhile

[neon gate]

I would be happy to grind them out and I'm sure I could get them eventually, and I would

[hard axle]

The same reason why I can argue nex isn’t harder than trio ToB

[warm epoch]

GM is a worthwhile grind and you can lock GM behind hard shit

[slender vapor]

Both orbs and contracts need to be made less annoying

[obsidian venture]

Because if you’re half a human being, who has learned the base content well, it isn’t an insane leap. It’s literally just play safer, which funnily enough isn’t what endgame folks like to do lmao

[meager flame]

I think for osrs if you really wanted to mimic the race part of things for the spectacle

[plush gull]

what about just making contracts repeatable until completion?

[tender harness]

No. stop asking

[neon gate]

As an iron in a lot of iron discords the concensus is something around waiting for a fix. We expected a much bigger buff on thursday than we got. Other stuff like purging staff not working, general lack of clarity does not help

most people try to get contracts and give up

I spent 3 hours at it and got the binding one once

[meager flame]

It would just be cosmetics or even just a hard boss for people to fight and get a shoutout for being the first few

[winter hearth]

Purging staff and its spec should be working on them?

[neon gate]

It does not count for the 'kill with a spec'

[winter hearth]

Regardless would expect to see more tweaks next week, not ironed out the specifics yet

[meager flame]

Also youd have to make much harder content in general

[warm epoch]

I haven't seen anyone get a contract with it

[neon gate]

as far as we can tell

[winter hearth]

Interesting, will make a note

[neon gate]

there isn't any confirm when you do it correctly

please note that too, maybe have a unique death anim?

[thick beacon]

im just saying its fundementally harder its not about what people like im just stating fact of the matter

[neon gate]

like colored flame or whatever

[plush gull]

also any update on salamanders being bugged and also still lost on death in barrows? @winter hearth

[tender harness]

I hope radiant is required for GM

[neon gate]

But I will say I made 80m merching the tele scrolls so pass on my best wishes to the team please

thank you

[winter hearth]

It won't be, said in a post that CA will include 'any' contract, including the duo ones afaik

[meager flame]

Its just interesting because I played wow long enough to have played with and talked to their devs and stuff like the mythic raid statistically was never worth it

[cunning steeple]

Hey, sorry if this has already been asked a bunch, but does the Purging Staff special attack work on the chasm demons for the purposes of contract farming? A lot of people are arguing about it, and the wiki is suggesting it might not @winter hearth

[winter hearth]

So you can just pick the easiest/cheapest

[obsidian venture]

Icic

[winter hearth]

scroll up a little bit beast, team looking into it

[meager flame]

They just really believe that having it there for players to watch and aspire to is worth it

[neon gate]

I really don't like this either. This decision feels entirely motivated by them being expensive, and they really should not be excluded from GM

[cunning steeple]

Thanks boss, sorry for the repeat

[neon gate]

(I am GM)

[lofty sinew]

I don't mind radiant being required for GM, but forcing iron GM's to spend hours upon hours grinding mid level demons for contracts where the majority of time spent is this over retrying the difficult content is kinda terrible

[neon gate]

If contracts were free they 100% would be included in GM

[thick beacon]

irons had to do blorva idk this should 100% count for gm

[tender harness]

so what im hearing is blorva is not required for GM anymore then

[lofty sinew]

awakener orbs actually dropped from the bosses. im at 100+ solo kc for yama and havent gotten a single contract from the boss lmao

[thick beacon]

silver lining imo is u can get like 5 contracts an hour vs .5orbs an hour

[tender harness]

seems kinda weird to require blorva but not radiant but

[meager flame]

Its sort of intangible just knowing it's out there and there is end game content to one day get to even if you never get there does something to the way people think about games

[neon gate]

Awakener orb grinding is actually kind of a myth you get way more than you need from all dt2 pets

Contracts you absolutely do not

[plush gull]

are there any plans to address contracts more comprehensively besides just making them even more common from low level demon farming?

[meager flame]

Its a good thing

[neon gate]

Better answer would be to make all radiant contracts free/not consumed on death, and add them to GM

no we don't want another microbuff to the boring demon content

[lofty sinew]

Not sure why the route jagex wants to go down is us farming demons for contracts instead of killing the boss itself. it was even doubled down on last blog by doubling the demon drop rates

[neon gate]

All contracts not being on GM just as a gift to make iron GM possible is the worst answer

[tender harness]

is there anyone beyond 1/5 for radiant yet? only see that NewType is 1/5

[neon gate]

either commit to it being a fair system (it isn't) and make them all required, or fix them

[plush gull]

im still ge buy limit locked and 0/5

[upbeat moss]

not gm so im sure ill get flamed for having an opinion on it, but yeah it really should be required for gm. shouldnt be able to "choose the easiest one" for gm CAs

[neon gate]

you can duo it apparently so it's actually just ticket tech

[plush gull]

addy crossbow menaphite remedy brews, have fun with ur 4 ruby bolt specs

[upbeat moss]

like, gm CAs should require every boss and version of a boss, right?

[neon gate]

Admittedly they don't require solo tob already

but I';d be down to learn that it's on the todo list

[compact flicker]

I too see GM as "I can do it all" kinda thing

[tender harness]

no but they make you suffer in atleast duo tobs

[austere mulch]

FWIW people don’t really do hmt that often because it took a lot of the fun aspects of tob and made it less fun

[upbeat moss]

theres a weird amount of talk about stuff like this for the completionist cape in rs3. like, omitting content from "completionist" stuff makes no sense at all lmao

[neon gate]

Are you that TM

[thick beacon]

im a fellow gm as well and i want to see it on there even if it causes me not to get gm for long time. its princple thing to have it on there

[obsidian venture]

He is

[tender harness]

whats this 1HP yama shit

[compact flicker]

All or nothing ye

[neon gate]

and I meant more that people who cared about GP also don't do it because it;s generally considered worse GP

and that at the very least it should be balanced enough so that it's considered worth from a gp perspective

[meager flame]

Any jagex supported mode of doing pvm content should be on the gm helm

[upbeat moss]

and in some cases, "i can do it all...and then some"

[obsidian venture]

Thankfully no completionist cape in osrs

[meager flame]

I understand not having solo tob since that wasn't really an intended mode but like

[tender harness]

good news its on the 2026 roadmap

[compact flicker]

Closest we have is the new staff and tome for clog

[obsidian venture]

But blorva/radiant should at least be on the clogs 😬

[neon gate]

Not putting radiants on GM feels like the exact same 'not a comp req' bullshit

[meager flame]

You can't exclude some of the hardest boss variants in the game lmao

[upbeat moss]

youd have people wanting to exlcude things from it left and right.
shit, people (reddit) even wanted night at the theatre excluded from quest cape lmao

[vivid ruin]

Ye no reason not to

[tender harness]

just seems weird to not include one but include the other.

[plush gull]

idk why jagex is so afraid of making content thats hard bc "no one will play it"... there are thousands of people with like 100 combat and 200m setups who did like 50 colo kc last year

[lofty sinew]

make contracts consume on completion and then add it to GM CA's

[meager flame]

I mean if the radiant bosses aren't on gm helm

It just means gm isn't cool anymore

[obsidian venture]

Tbf I’ve seen the absolute worst pvmers obtain gm

So it’s really interesting

[lofty sinew]

that's pushing it lmao

[meager flame]

Like the whole point is that you did all the things

[upbeat moss]

zuk helm with red oathplate... point and laugh

[tender harness]

CAs being buyable doesnt help that though

[thick beacon]

gm doesint mean ppl are good but they definitely know the game its like being jack of all trades

[lofty sinew]

radiant not being GM doesn't take away from everything a GM did up to that point

[meager flame]

If you take that away it's just saying you almost did all the things and undermines why it even exists

[obsidian venture]

Yeah to some degree

[thick beacon]

alot of ppl dont have base skill natrually to get gm

[obsidian venture]

Good and just completing stuff don’t really go hand in hand like it should

[thick beacon]

like they only do cox or tob and say gm is easy and have 0 inferno/colo exp or vice versa

maybe they suck at toa

[tender harness]

I mean its not even skill. there are people who play things that are objectively harder than OSRS and do that well. but just dont grasp the tick system

[meager flame]

It's like how they started making fast ways of obtaining pets

They're not cool and nobody cares the point of pets was being a rare item

To show off

[velvet token]

oathplate design/colour looks very similar to zuk aswell lol

[obsidian venture]

But either way, shying away from harder content isn’t ideal. You should want to promote progression in this type of game. The “small” endgame community is ever growing. For delve I truly hope there isn’t something for midgame to farm like there is for wave 1 colo @winter hearth

[obsidian venture]

Moreso hcim reskinned

I can cosplay as Alkan

[plush gull]

goblin made it sound like nothing is coming to make contracts better and delve boss will have awakener orb 3.0 with skip to X floor tokens

[velvet token]

i think delve boss will be the boss end game pvmers will find more satisfying to them

[plush gull]

i listened to the interview of nox and tbh im more confident that delve will be fun content

[meager flame]

I legit dont know why they even entertain ideas that delete the point of the content

[plush gull]

the staff/gloves are just dumb rewards

[meager flame]

Its like when people wanted to keep their max capes when sailing released

Despite not being maxed lol

For gm helm you should kill the hardest bosses

Simple as

[obsidian venture]

Personally, for Gm, the times should get progressively harder post certain upgrades. Gms shouldn’t be able to keep helm with a billybob time if we’re being serious

[thick beacon]

grasping anything takes time even in game learning tob etc or skilling

[upbeat moss]

adjust times for new gear?

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

The times are outdated af

[upbeat moss]

yeah thats fair

[winter hearth]

It's just an insane amount of work to revisit them every time - stance has always been that the new GM stuff that gets added should be reflective of the toughest stuff around with the current gear

[meager flame]

So what happened with the radiant bosses

[upbeat moss]

mickey mouse gm 2025

[versed token]

any danger of hotfixing the buy limit on contracts to 50

[winter hearth]

But waiting every time we release new items to see where times settle for every piece of content when we know powercreep is to some extent an inevitability is tough

[obsidian venture]

Yeah this isn’t needed for every update, but like summer rebalancing, this is something that can be slightly tweaked perhaps?

[meager flame]

I can understand not updating times assuming you're always releasing new content that is tuned well

[fossil epoch]

Are the demons contracts based around like a time of day or something? 6 clouds only today

[meager flame]

Thats honestly a lot of work for no gain

[thick beacon]

feel like its better suited for a new tier like super gm

[meager flame]

They actually explicitly talked about never doing that

[thick beacon]

ye i dont expect them to go back in general but if they were id prefer that personally

[meager flame]

No I mean the super gm thing

It would just be theorycrafting challenges that would look stupid the next time noobtype uploads to youtube

At that point they're going to just make up cooler and more insane stuff than jagex ever would

[plush gull]

people who want to army skip with 1 prayer will do it anyway

except awakened bosses, only a small subset of people who want to do tough challenges can afford it

[ember token]

super gm killcount task

[plush gull]

10k monkey laps

💀

[ember token]

conplete 2k ToA

[plush gull]

same thing really

[upbeat moss]

has anyone completed any contracts?

[meager flame]

Noobtype I think had at least 1 I had to go though earlier

[kind sail]

going to wait for the recolor contracts to tank

hopefully

[slender vapor]

Ngl, i kinda got bored watching the contracts

It's just more 1 shot mechanics and they cranked the hp up

👀

[kind sail]

yeah its literally zzzzzzz

kind of a joke ngl

[slender vapor]

It's balanced like toa

[meager flame]

Yeah they skipped invocation and went straight to 600s

[slender vapor]

Just what everyone wanted!

More 1 shots and stupid tanky fights!

[meager flame]

Its kinda bland watching people make one mistake and suddenly

It looks like odablock with spec pots got on them off prayer

Lmao

[slender vapor]

Yama needed longer cooking time

[meager flame]

I mean its just the nature of it being 1 boss in some ways

Obviously the pacing of a brick wall of hp sucks and watching people have to be perfect otherwise instant death kind of

Doesn't allow good progression from a viewers pov

Kinda just needs to be a raid or something like inferno or colo

Where its a longer format with a lot of variety in comparison

[shadow wave]

On orbs:

[slender vapor]

dt2 orbs and contracts must go

[meager flame]

I mean that is the correct decision and appreciated

I just dont understand why we had to do orbs twice to read the feedback from the first time

This really didn't have to happen

[versed token]

is work ongoing to up the buy limit or nah

[small anvil]

Lol they only just now work to up the rates

So much for the week to build up contacts

They really expected mains to flock to the demons

[slender vapor]

Gotta be supplied by the swathes of low level slayer bots

[raw terrace]

i don't mean to be negative because I really do enjoy yama overall, but all of the acquisition contracts being the same just feels so lazy.

[minor whale]

I thought we were heard loud and clear when they said contracts will be better than orbs and not at all similar 😦
Turns out they're the exact same but worse

[slender vapor]

[meager flame]

Our fault for assuming

[slender vapor]

They need to step on more than 72 rakes

[meager flame]

They said they learned we just failed to understand that what they learned was how to effectively implement everything we hated about orbs

Lmao

[slender vapor]

Let's finely tune how to be the most annoying system possible

[vernal valve]

tbf this is mostly a consequence of there just being way too many contracts imo

when they announced 7 contracts on the first blog my first thought was that it kind of seemed like too many?

then they released and there's like, 11 contracts, lmao

[meager flame]

Sincerely though hopefully they never try to gaslight us like that again

Lmao its egregious

[vernal valve]

yeah i genuinely have no idea what they were cooking

[analog crow]

Hey Goblin sorry if you already clocked out, any change of the team revisiting and updating the achievement diaries? They are hopelessly outdated.

[plush gull]

my understanding is theyll up buy limit and increase demons by 1% again next tues/wed

and thats it

look forward to delve skip tonens, aka ecunumenical keys 4.0 :(

[versed token]

oof

ty for info

[neon gate]

They are just a hopelessly outdated idea

You're right they are outdated but they would just become outdated again

and people would complain if they got any new reqs/ people lost their unlocks

[plush gull]

achievement diaries and rooftops should be deleted from the game

not genuinely tho (unlike contracts/orbs)

[ember token]

they would become outdated at some point again yeah but not nearly as outdated as they are now

[austere mulch]

They did at least acknowledge skip tokens were a bad move and decided to pull back on the idea

[plush gull]

for clues tho

not delve boss

[austere mulch]

Oh. That’s a wcyd moment 🤣

To give some credit, orb type of system does sound good on paper. Just clearly doesn’t work in implementation and had it been communicated sooner in Yama development that this is how they’d be, they could’ve hopefully changed course or canned the idea

[obsidian venture]

The one where it’s just medic on crack just seems super annoying

Noobtype got it down to 88% after 5 minutes 😭

[plush gull]

how does it seem good on paper to not be allowed to do bosses?

[lofty sinew]

Contracts as an idea was trickle down system giving lesser skilled players more money from the boss to sell to the high level players so they could get their cosmetic. this is incredibly flawed tho as the boss doesn't even drop contracts at any reasonable rate. they made regular demons a money maker instead of adding value to boss loot

[minor whale]

A system where you get tickets for a try at a boss seems fine but in both instances they're so time-gated or expensive that it feels bad

Or have you doing shit like "kill black demons in the chasm of fire with a ballista"

Which nobody wants to do

[obsidian venture]

Noobs shouldn’t need to make money off this content in the first place. They need to focus on one thing

[minor whale]

Exactly

[fossil epoch]

contracts have fallen quite a bit in price already, something happened?

[small anvil]

Just use hunter crossbow but yeah

Buy limit of 5

And also the fights look annoying

[lofty sinew]

even in its intended form the system doesn't even work right now

[minor whale]

Buy limit of 5, and they're very hard

And very annoying

[obsidian venture]

Everytime they focus on a group boss, that has a solo version, the group version is dogshit and boring

[lofty sinew]

and that doesnt even include the fact that the system is terrible baseline

[fossil epoch]

wow thats a low buy limit

[minor whale]

They're not like a bump up in mechanics every single fight just looks like a not fun change

[small anvil]

What awakened orb buy limit

[obsidian venture]

Same thing with promoting endgame content and having money for noobs

Like it doesn’t work

[minor whale]

Like every hlc person I'm seeing stream is saying these aren't even a fun challenge

They're just getting annoyed and swapping

[plush gull]

50

[obsidian venture]

Bro even gnome ragequit LOL

[minor whale]

fr

Guy potted 20 hours of trying to get a sub 2:00 while teleing out after 15 seconds

And 3 hours in to this and he's just done

[obsidian venture]

Do you know how shit of a design you have to have to get him to go cool
Off

[tough shoal]

IMO the contracts/orbs should have been reworked to only consume the contract/orb if you successfully finish the fight, giving you infinite attempts per orb/contract. the big problem with contracts/orbs is the steep 2-3m per attempt cost

[minor whale]

Holy

[plush gull]

they still can be right?

[minor whale]

That change

[obsidian venture]

Hm?

[minor whale]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/yama-the-calm-before-the-contract-storm?oldschool=1

Just changed contract acquisition

[tough shoal]

the reward from awakened bosses/contracts would be the increased droprate/guarenteed rewards

[minor whale]

Like 5x more common oathplate ornament contracts

LMAO

[sudden bane]

i dont want more dossiers i want more shards

[minor whale]

Nobody tell deleted user

His bank is gonna crater if he's still holding onto contracts

lmao

[small anvil]

Fuck

Gotta sell now lol

[plush gull]

so are purifying 9x more common than 3 hours ago? or 4.5x?

[fossil epoch]

Hmm this kinda nerfs Yamas regular loot rate right, now were getting ALOT of dossier drops

[median sage]

So is project zanaris still a thing as I presumed they would of said something if it’s been cancelled?

[upbeat moss]

I think he sold already lol

[minor whale]

There's been no news in any direction about PZ

[sudden bane]

exactly i dont even want them :c

[median sage]

Ah okay Ty

[steel aspen]

If they don't change the rates, yeah. Less lockboxes and shards

[upbeat moss]

interesting

should purifying sigil contracts be able to be traded in for any of the other 4?

[ember token]

?

[small anvil]

I just panic sold the ones I farmed yesterday lol

[fossil epoch]

?

[small anvil]

Those rates are stupid common now

[fossil epoch]

oh the other 4 sigils

[upbeat moss]

yeah, just the other 4 for the cosmetic

[fossil epoch]

thought you wanted to trade them in for oathplate contracts

[upbeat moss]

not like, bloodied blows for oathplate

lol

[ember token]

there are 5 sigil contracts

each drops a piece of the sigil

[upbeat moss]

yes

yes

?

[sonic nimbus]

with how the wiki states dossiers work does that mean oathplate shards and stuff are less common with the dossier being more common?

[upbeat moss]

lockbox and shard would be, right?

reasoning checks out

[analog crow]

good choice

[sonic nimbus]

right yeah. Very punishing for solo ig

[small anvil]

Yeah the prices tanked

I got out early in the panic sell wave

[cloud iron]

@winter hearth , if you're around, could you clarify this rumor? Apparently the only CA that has to do with contracts will be to "complete any contract" and the others will be for the base boss.

[small anvil]

It's in the blog

[analog crow]

today I've been insta selling my contracts as they drop

[small anvil]

So yes confirmed

[upbeat moss]

confirmed, but still lame

[cloud iron]

Ah, thank you.

[native aurora]

hopefully mods know that this has drastically increased time to get normal loot/oathshards from boss drops with dossier getting higher drop rate - make dossier a secondary roll instead

[steel aspen]

If they change the lockboxes to 1/25 that would compensate for the dossier buff. Hope they do, but I know they won't

[urban surge]

I think the 3 at a time is just from dossier

[upbeat moss]

thats what i would assume, since it also mentioned 3x rate from demons

[urban surge]

It says 3 at a time from dossier and just increased chance from demons

[fossil epoch]

its from the dossier they drop 3 at a time

demons just have the chance of 1 increased

[upbeat moss]

tbf, it doesnt sound like that

[urban surge]

It does

[upbeat moss]

either way, i think its supposed to be 3 at a time for dossier

[urban surge]

https://i.imgur.com/hUtFFJ6.png

[fossil epoch]

I see that makes it weird

but they first name the dossier buffs, then they name the demon buffs

[upbeat moss]

yeah, def not clear

but assume

[analog crow]

Instantly killed the chasm demon farming moneymaker lol

[fossil epoch]

but its not clear for sure

[small anvil]

Yeah iron only content now yay

[upbeat moss]

eh, even if theyre like 100-200k, still a nice little chunk of money for a low level just doing slayer down there

[small anvil]

Iron and bot*

[analog crow]

that's true, still worth doing demon tasks there if you're not doing gorillas or tds

[upbeat moss]

its easy to see it as a farming method or money making right now

but think about a year from now

it becomes a part of early slayer

[fossil epoch]

Glad i wasnt almost done completing A kingdom divided on the alt, to afk demons 🙂

https://i.imgur.com/RYvJX3E.png

[upbeat moss]

or just being a noob

[small anvil]

It's not worth killing those demons honestly

[upbeat moss]

okay

[small anvil]

Demons are bad money and bad xp

[upbeat moss]

okay

[analog crow]

The sigils system was cool though, hope they revisit that stuff in the future as well

for slayer etc

[upbeat moss]

i like the idea of interactive stuff like that for dungeons or whatever

[analog crow]

maybe for the upcoming dungeoneering minigame (cope)

[upbeat moss]

uh oh

[pliant haven]

Jagex rugged me

[slender vapor]

invested in contracts?

[pliant haven]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-drops-jump-building-gif-19180884

[upbeat moss]

taking it well at least