game-update

[slender hollow]

No prayer inferno run? Why not

[untold flower]

Does it default to training def first hit?

[brazen violet]

Yo @winter hearth if anything, remember that PRE EOC special restore potions were still available in pvp OUT of the wilderness, like in clan wars

[plush gull]

bruh i literally did 125 royal titans just so i could camp deadeye the whole time for 3% dps loss and never flicking

[proper plume]

is someone having a fit at jagex today? first the weird zanaris thing and now range style messed up ?

[brazen violet]

Idk about bh and PvP worlds

[meager flame]

tbh as for introducing spec pots into pvp in a way that actually works

[true talon]

spec restore pots in pre eoc was disabled in pvp

[plush gull]

only 3% dps loss for blowpipe+quiver which only loses 1 max hit btw, thats why u should never use bofa in inferno

[meager flame]

i think that would be extremely hard to do

[brazen violet]

It could still be used in clan wars aka purple portal

[sacred oracle]

i still haven't used a surge pot, despite making all my tallow into surge pots

i have several hundred now

[meager flame]

even if you had like a delayed timer on when it would go off and restore

[sacred oracle]

i should try it

[meager flame]

people would just play around that timer

[true talon]

i didnt go there, but in any risk pvp it was disabled.

[meager flame]

and still try to do stupid shit like dds into gmaul or whatever

maybe if you had it restore like 5 spec energy at a time over time

[winter hearth]

if you can't use it at 100% spec and it has a heavy delay, I don't think you can game it too heavily tbh

[brazen violet]

5min timer is long af

[warm epoch]

the game already has dozens of wilderness exceptions, just add this too

[meager flame]

i think the 5 spec at a time thing would mostly fix it

[brazen violet]

I use it at vardorvis but it’s wack

[meager flame]

because it would stop the restore from being instant at any point

[frozen lion]

are pures ruined yet?

[blissful sage]

volatile staff spec again broken at yama (:

[sacred oracle]

broken how?

i haven't actually logged in, i've just been chillin

[fossil epoch]

Wouldnt just not allowing gmaul spec before/after the potion remove a lot of the rushing

[sacred oracle]

but apparently i'm missing all the fun

[meager flame]

that would break using it in a more intended way

[neon gate]

Incredible

[meager flame]

i think they want people to drink potion to maybe get an extra chance at specs

[neon gate]

Time to kill 10000 black demons to re gm

[meager flame]

they just realized that letting people use unintended specs with gmauls is actually insane

[wispy current]

time to deiron*

[neon gate]

In the future please leave poe game mechanics in poe

[meager flame]

because its all essentially instant

[neon gate]

If certain mods want to develop poe, ggg really does need the help

[tender harness]

Could just nerf gmaul

[neon gate]

Also rumor is purging staff doesn't work for the demon sigil drop, I've seen a log of 3k black demon without the spec one

[meager flame]

so like even if the spec restored over 3 game ticks or something like that

it would be mostly fixed

[sick sand]

Please don't remove them, just make them not usable in the wilderness/pvp worlds/bh. Are fun to use in pvm

[sudden bane]

what if they made it like 55% spec or something ;P

[tender harness]

Debatable

[meager flame]

it just can't all come at once and enable the instant stack

[winter hearth]

Wouldn't remove in PvM

[frail bough]

they are twice as common now, make sure you're doing the correct stuff to get the correct contracts

[final frigate]

claws range maxes yama all bugged atm yeah

[pearl tangle]

Could honestly just add a 3 or 4 tick timer in pvp from when you spec to when you can drink the potion lol

[final frigate]

hearing shadow max as well

[winter hearth]

Suspect this would only be the case if they already had a defensive style selected, I don't think any Pures should wind up ruined with the ongoing bug

[deft barn]

Do the Oathplate Contracts let you choose the piece or is it a random one of the 3?

[slender hollow]

My bp was on rapid when i logged in and it was instantly bugged

[tender harness]

Charged staves are also apparently bashing
Not sure if team is aware

[wild badger]

Rip 1 Def pures

[wide badger]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wild-thornberrys-nigel-smashing-smile-amazed-gif-4000371

[frail bough]

for april fools you should give people xp lamp in inventory on login that gives fake defence exp/level up message, regardless of any option selected

[neon gate]

Is there any chance of a change to make getting awakened Yama orbs from yama/dossier more realistic? It's currently about 2 attempts at each by pet rate, assuming you get a perfect distribution. Not at all what was described even Friday pre update

As designed it feels like you just want irons to slave lesser demons instead of the actual new content, which feels absurd.

[tough shoal]

another day for my bugsnglitchesonlyarealockedsnowflakeonlyironman \jk

[sick sand]

Funny, but also a nightmare for staff. Not everyone will understand and people rage

[frail bough]

send it!

[sick sand]

But great content for everyone else 😄

[tender harness]

So ranged is cooked
Shadow is broke

What else

[frail bough]

the entire game is broke and you cant play it or complain anymore

[winter hearth]

team is aware

[winter hearth]

choose

[chrome lantern]

I’m disappointed in the minor dossier drop rate change because it shows the team doesn’t consider several hours of Yama to even get a single contract (don’t forget half of dossiers are tele scrolls!) bad and is unlikely to make any further changes.

On the note of tele scrolls, they should be:
-A more effective location
-Removed from dossiers entirely
-Drop in significantly increased quantity

[winter hearth]

Hoping so, have got another big list to bring to the team tomorrow

[meager flame]

im not sure you can really fix the scrolls

[tender harness]

Just farm greater demons and like it

[tough shoal]

so we have 6 different contract fights? 5x radiant contract fights & 1X aquisition fight?

[meager flame]

like even if we really walk through the process

[chrome lantern]

I think it’s easy to make them better but yeah not fully fix

[meager flame]

you still tele to bank and then tele to home to restore stats

which means you're at your fairy ring

[warm epoch]

there's more contracts but i'm not sure if the fight changes between them

[meager flame]

and the ring is honestly right on top of the boss

even if the scrolls put you on a tile to enter yamas room

[sudden bane]

any change these issues cause a rollback?

[meager flame]

it wouldn't really matter

they're just kind of useless

[tough shoal]

Q: if you start a contract and tele out (not die), you also lose the contract?

[sick sand]

I can't get this one to happen? What staffs you used?

[chrome lantern]

Which is why I want them off the dossier for certain

[true talon]

Can the teleport bring you right to the yama entry and not up the rope. this would actually be an improvement to their use case for people without the agility lvl.

[plush gull]

when are we going to poll letting people do awakened bosses and yama contracts for fun?

[meager flame]

tbh this is maybe the first time jagex made a teleport scroll for no reason

they could just delete it for once

[warm epoch]

teleporting out is not successful

[meager flame]

instead of having to make them lol

[tough shoal]

does contract get consumed on death/completion at the end of the fight, or start of fight

[sacred oracle]

perhaps they didn't really consider irons

i dunno, at some point, i just don't vibe with content needing to be balanced around irons

the game was created for trading

[sick sand]

likely consume the contract when starting the fight

[frail bough]

We stand alone in all the raids and every piece of new content that comes out!

[sacred oracle]

it's easy to balance around buying things

[meager flame]

i think even if you completely disregard irons and pretend they dont exist

[sacred oracle]

to have the economy work, but also protect every iron account that wants to get a variety of drops ... seems too hard

[chrome lantern]

The stated intent is to have 1700 total noobs farming demons for gp, which I don’t think is a positive experience for either party buying or farming scrolls

[sacred oracle]

but hey, i'm not a designer

[warm epoch]

it's easy to balance around having bots that gather the items

[meager flame]

the contracts being a drop that is farmed by random lower levels that you then pay a fee for

does absolutely nothing to improve the game for the player

[chrome lantern]

Also yeah bots

[meager flame]

using the contract

[sacred oracle]

i don't know that i agree it does nothing to improve the game

[tough shoal]

kinda wish a contract was a always lost on death item that would get consumed on kill completion, it'd be cool that way

[neon gate]

Appreciate it, I was hoping it might be fixed before release so I'd be able to attempt them on release, but I'll settle for attempting them later

Thank you

[meager flame]

they're honestly just making end game content marginally worse to try and rope in some additional idea

[sacred oracle]

the whole point of contracts is it gives rare items of value for one set of accounts who can then sell them to rich other accounts to use

[true talon]

Correct all of mainscapes econ is determined by bots. if it wasnt then why is there such a massive swing in price on items when a wave hits XD

[warm epoch]

imo it does nothing to improve the game if it's 99% bot content

[sacred oracle]

i think that's not unreasonable

but opinions will differ

[true talon]

Back when they nuked vyre bots, bloodshards went to 15m

[meager flame]

yes and what im saying is that for the people buying them

[true talon]

same with vorkath bots

[chrome lantern]

#game-update message

[meager flame]

this does nothing but make the content worse

[sacred oracle]

i think 1700 total noobs getting tens of millions of gp in drops is something they enjoy very much

[minor whale]

Even a small decrease in supply means a huge increase in price if the demand isn't being met

It doesn't mean an item doubling in price means half as many are coming into the game

[sick sand]

I like contracts

[simple mural]

Range gave me defence xp

why

[chrome lantern]

If you want to make a moneymaker for noobs you shouldn’t encourage them to do braindead content

[warm epoch]

@winter hearth we got one

[tough shoal]

feels like awakeners orbs 2 electric boogaloo to me.

[simple mural]

Jk

LOOOL

[warm epoch]

dang you gave me hope

[winter hearth]

I beg don't do this 🙃

[plush gull]

its so much worse than awakeners orbs, i need project zanaris noww 😭

[neon gate]

At the very least stuff like this shouldn't have been snuck in. If I knew the plan was making endgame irons kill 10000 black demons fir economic concerns I would have voted no to the whole thing.

[sacred oracle]

goal posts seem to be moving, but "braindead" is a value judgment and what you might consider braindead is something another player may consider chill or fun

[true talon]

If you roll back i know a guy in my clan who is gonna be not happy as he just got his horn at yama being rank 88 XD

[meager flame]

i just think its weird in general

[cloud iron]

On the spec pots in pvp, while I am very happy that it restores the nerfed bh dbow combos, it's WAY too much for pvp. I have accounts across all brackets, and even before the spec pot, there are massive issues in each bracket balancing wise. Now it's just comical. HP would need a rework to accommodate for the damage you can do now in a couple ticks.

[sacred oracle]

and the game supports and has always supported a variety of content options at varying types of intensity

braindead content has always been part of the game

it's not good or bad

[sick sand]

I mean I got multiple of the contracts

[meager flame]

noobs had money makers and end game players had challenging content that were completely unrelated to each other and it was fine

[neon gate]

From the boss? No you didn't

[meager flame]

seems like we're fixing a problem that doesn't exist

[plush gull]

not true, high intensity combat is only colo/inferno and they refuse to introduce any other pvm that people are allowed to play

like wtf??

[sacred oracle]

what are you even saying

[plush gull]

i want more fun content not just colo/inferno

[lofty sinew]

how is the game still up?
Blowpipe gives shared exp
Same with chins
Range weapons lost 4 max hits
Shadow gives attack exp?
you can melee with sang staff?
yama moves in p3

[true talon]

There is a lot of fun content in the game

[plush gull]

contracts seem fun even kinda like leagues but for some reason they designed fights just to not make them playable

[meager flame]

i'd get it if new players just couldn't make money or something and we had to come up with some way to serve everyone

[sick sand]

Sorry I have all but the bottom of sigil

[meager flame]

but that just isn't reality

[neon gate]

1 attempt worth?

[tough shoal]

please don't rollback, i just gotten a imbued heart on my ironman from a dreadborn araxyte

[sick sand]

All is needed

[sacred oracle]

yama cannot be contained by your preconceived notions of what he can and cannot do

[plush gull]

same with awakened bosses, though personally i dont really like dt2 bosses so i dont care that much, i would still 1hp dh vard if i was allowed tho

[sacred oracle]

he will move if he wants to!!

[sick sand]

The pet ones are useless to me, got b2b pets lol

[neon gate]

Also who will be doing the worm tract when a 250 worm drop is a below average Yama loot

Lole

[bronze kernel]

To be honest, I think Contracts will eventually sink into price.

[warm epoch]

for more worms in addition to your loot

[sacred oracle]

i love that there's a contract for worms, the most annoying loot drop i can get at yama

[meager flame]

i haven't read it myself since i dont have a worm contract after 700 yama kc but

[plush gull]

shouldnt cost money to play bosses for no reward

[sacred oracle]

at this point, every time i see worms i get mad

[hasty shard]

replaces loot

[meager flame]

is it not the same contract as the shard one

[hasty shard]

you get standard loot if doing pet scroll, though

[bronze kernel]

Enough to where it's not really game breakingly good

[meager flame]

seems like people would just practice with worm contracts

[warm epoch]

i'm sure i read it's alongside regular loot in the blog

[hasty shard]

i knew worm contracts would be bis 🔥

[plush gull]

lmfao

[tough shoal]

i like the worms, it's anglers for me

[sick sand]

By design, first few weeks/months will be for gamers, then guides/methods come out+to many contracts = just another cosmetic

[sacred oracle]

does anyone have image of worm contract? i wanna see the constraints

[warm epoch]

nvm im blind

[hasty shard]

i mean tbh the contract doesnt sound terribly hard for mage camp

[warm epoch]

only pet has additional stuff

dumb lmao

[hasty shard]

just flick overheads and prepot prayer regen

bring sgs spec for judge

[sacred oracle]

nm it's on the wiki now

[plush gull]

this game is so cooked 🥹

[subtle beacon]

perfect state of the game, don't see an issue XD

[sacred oracle]

Some of the restraints on Yama's strength will be removed.
Yama can spawn enhanced voidflares.
Yama can cast enhanced incantations.
Challenger will regain 50% less prayer and health.

If you succeed, you will receive:
250x Diabolic worms

[meager flame]

maybe once i've done enough content to earn the right to challenge yama for worms though we'll see

[vivid ruin]

Bp gives str xp uwu

[meager flame]

maybe another 700 yama will be enough

this is completely reasonable

[plush gull]

meanwhile arcane off in the corner playing poe being like NO CAN PLAY BOSSES I DESIGN! MWAHAhA!

[hasty shard]

considering i probably go through like 2 pots on average per solo kill you need to sweat hard to get no supply yama done

esp if theres orb spawns throughout the fight

[brazen violet]

Jagexxxxx why people getting def using range or Magee wtfff

[sick sand]

Seems like it should of been x2500

[meager flame]

i mean

you could just not pray offensive prayers

and it would be easy

[brazen violet]

@winter hearth if my pure gets def will jagex roll it back?

[sick sand]

I been using mystic might

[vivid ruin]

No

Lol

[sick sand]

It seemed to not change dps

[brazen violet]

Ur not jagex goblin are you?

[sacred oracle]

i dunno, i think this is one of those cases where i simply don't see a way to balance it around irons, but i do lack imagination: the variety of contracts means grinding for any specific one is very hard, but if you drop the rate on any contract you flood the market with too many contracts, diluting value

[vivid ruin]

I dont need to be to know how jagex works

[winter hearth]

Imagine we'll set up something that tracks if people got 2def between update and time it gets fixed to identify, we've done it in the past

[meager flame]

who cares about irons

[sacred oracle]

the fact there are so many types of contracts means i don't know a way to balance for irons

[hallow girder]

all J mods insta offline after this update lmao

[sacred oracle]

it's fine for buying though

[meager flame]

do you think after killing yama 700 times you should be unable to do a worm contract

on any account build

[sacred oracle]

yes

[meager flame]

lmao

[sacred oracle]

because you just buy it

[brazen violet]

Get fked

[sacred oracle]

not everything has to be a drop

[winter hearth]

No need to be rude though!

[vivid ruin]

Rude

[sick sand]

Get em!

[lofty sinew]

ok im not logging in lmao

[winter hearth]

did they get re-equipped or genuinely just gone?

[plush gull]

rollback incoming?

[jovial sentinel]

the way the bug works, you'd only be getting def exp if you were in longrange

[warm epoch]

were these the top 3 items they had?

[slender vapor]

Logging in on maint day is just russian roulette with extra steps

[meager flame]

i'll be back later hopefully when the game works

[jovial sentinel]

confirmed from a friend of mine, bug reoccored after banking, not sure if related to banking

[sacred oracle]

there are like twelve contracts

[true talon]

Seems they were just an idiot lol.

[oblique mesa]

i was in rapid and got def /shrug

[hasty shard]

hey i was trianing defense and i got to level 2 but it went back to level one when i got back on??

can antyone help

[winter hearth]

Happens

[minor whale]

They delayed this update for a day to ensure it rolled out smoothly
I shudder at what would have been if this had released yesterday
Melee weapons giving rc XP
Oziach is now where Zuk should be, the only way to buy a rune plate body is to defeat 68 inferno waves
Venom makes everyone moo

[sacred oracle]

what solution would not make getting any contract too common but give you a way to get a specific one of the twelve

[plush gull]

whats the chance of rollback happening just because of pures rocketing to 3 def with 1 chin?

[sacred oracle]

maybe ... contract exchanging?

[winter hearth]

Slim, we can fix these retroactively

[tough shoal]

venom makes the player spawn eggs

[plush gull]

oh cool gonna go get my infernal cape

[hasty shard]

melee weapons giving melee xp

[lofty sinew]

Can we have split PB times between duo and solo yama? i love tracking my solo pbs but they're never recorded cuz my duo pb is always the fastest

[plush gull]

tho idc if that gets rolled back

[livid steeple]

So no rollback?

[plush gull]

id just get refunded chins and be able to do inferno more with less money

[warm epoch]

two ornament contracts for one ornament contract of your choosing

[sacred oracle]

contract exchanging might work

[vivid ruin]

He said no rollback

[sacred oracle]

that means you don't have to get a specific contract

[sick sand]

I want this too

[meager flame]

ngl though

im curious

why does oathplate not just break down into enough shards for any other piece

[tough shoal]

please no rollback

[subtle beacon]

press the button 🙂

[meager flame]

that would actually be super helpful in making sure the helm isn't doa sad unique drop in the future

but instead they break down into 1/9th of an item

[sick glade]

whats the talk about rollback whats wrong?

[winter hearth]

but if it gets rolled back it could've been a Heart!

There is no talk about a rollback

[tough shoal]

you and i both know a heart doesn't exist on the droptables.

[tender apex]

max hit on ranged weapon is 2 lower

[warm epoch]

i see plenty of rollback talk here

[nocturne solstice]

Why would that be helpful for helmet? People would just break it down and make a chestplate instead

[meager flame]

exactly

the value would be in the shards

[warm epoch]

so the value will be linked to the other pieces

[meager flame]

all three items would be equally valuable

[warm epoch]

see: bandos boots

[hallow girder]

is the fix imminent?

[winter hearth]

If any limited builds get ruined then we believe we can fix them retroactively, but don't think anything happening right now is severe enough to warrant a rollback

[torpid isle]

@winter hearth can you please check your dm sir

[nocturne solstice]

But that doesnt stop helmet from being like, not useful and doa

[warm epoch]

it'll make it not doa

[hasty shard]

[livid steeple]

So can we play the game without any fear of rollback?

[nocturne solstice]

You're instantly recycling it, how is it not doa?

[plush gull]

i hope theres a rollback every week so i can dump my banks on awakened orbs and contracts to be able to do the fights as much as I want for 1 day

[winter hearth]

I maen never say never, but if I weren't at work I'd still be happy playing

[warm epoch]

because it's used instead of being dumped

doa to me means no usability

[meager flame]

yeah

[livid steeple]

Cool thanks ❤️

[meager flame]

450 shards is not a doa drop

thats very valuable

[hasty shard]

helm is useful pre torva

[plush gull]

😢

[hasty shard]

wait isnt 450 just an oathplate piece anyways

why is that even a separate contract 😭

[meager flame]

it basically just means when you see you got a helm you aren't pissed that you managed to just spend likely several days farming

[true talon]

Helm does allow you to skip facegaurd grind

[meager flame]

to roll the one unique that isn't worth anything

[nocturne solstice]

I consider DOA as in you wont use the item. If it's only purpose is to be recycled and all of em can be recycled, how is it useful? You can say its useful now since you can recycle multiple helmets into chestpiece

[meager flame]

since thats where the helm is headed

[nocturne solstice]

Its not like you arent gunna if the price is right 👀

[warm epoch]

being recycled means not doa imo

[lofty sinew]

helm still bis for us non torva helm havers

[nocturne solstice]

That feels like a weird definition since you recycle it specifically because its doa

[true talon]

yep, in iron progression you go to yama and get full oathplate. its better than bandos and facegaurd.

[plush gull]

so lame that only people who already have 10b banks are gonna be able to try the fights tomorrow. does the playerbase just enjoy watching people the game more than playing the game themselves?

[warm epoch]

it turns the helm into a resource drop instead of a doa drop

[meager flame]

do you really not see how getting value out of the drop is different than getting little to no value depending on what point in the future we're at

[lofty sinew]

sounds like a main problem

play iron

[neon gate]

Goblin can you please confirm if Purging Staff spec counts for the spec awakener orb? Rumor is that it doesn't, or people are going exceedingly unlucky

[warm epoch]

this is for irons

[sacred oracle]

i mean, to me that's just how drops work

sometimes you get the drop you want

sometimes you don't

[lofty sinew]

drop your torva helm

[warm epoch]

never

[sacred oracle]

as a clogger, that happens to me all the time

it's fine, it's just part of the game

[neon gate]

Opinion disregarded

[true talon]

I will wear full oathplate and take the dps loss, because oathplate mixed with torva looks like ass

[lofty sinew]

helm does have some niche uses like for duke but yeah

[meager flame]

i cant lie though 1/9th of an item is kind of

low

[lofty sinew]

boss needs fairly high slash def for it to be relevant

[meager flame]

like

[deep estuary]

Venator bow doesnt one shot Mage fremeniks in colosseum anymore, is this intentional?

[meager flame]

lol

[sacred oracle]

super annoying, but i wouldn't want to be able to break down the mystic gloves to make mystic robe or smth

[true talon]

should be 150 shards

[meager flame]

50 shards is all people can get really?

[true talon]

Ew

[lofty sinew]

ok this is ugly

[minor whale]

I'd prefer they get 0 shards from dupes

But 50 is fine

[plush gull]

ughh why did they make torva uglier? "more oldschool" YES FUTURISTIC GLOWING EYES!!!

[unreal plover]

@winter hearth any plans to increase contract trading limits on the ge?

[minor whale]

That cuts out a couple hours grind if unlucky

[meager flame]

i mean if we're gonna do the whole tradable shard thing

[vivid ruin]

Remove bandos pls

[meager flame]

at least make it work for the things it can do well

[nocturne solstice]

No I see it, I'm just saying it's weird to call something not DOA if you're recycling it. You recycle it because it's DOA. Recycling means you get a bit of value out of it regardless of its usefulness. I think we just have different definitions for the term.

[winter hearth]

Will make a note, not something we're talking about at the moment though

[sacred oracle]

I don't even like the shards exisiting in the first place tbh

Like, if you're at Nex, you just ... get a drop? You don't get a torva helm drop and think it's wrong that you can't turn it into a torva chest

That's just not how the game should work to me

[true talon]

They are good, if they were untradeable. they printing to many plates though.

[warm epoch]

i used to think my mage setup was the most mismatched, but it's pretty evenly tied now

[minor whale]

Exactly
The item being useless is not now useful because you're able to destroy it

[lofty sinew]

i dont mind the shards, but they should be untradeable. you're basically introducing a % of oathplate into the game whenever they drop

[meager flame]

thats because that part in the process actually comes in with bandos

[nocturne solstice]

I agree with that sentiment

[lofty sinew]

they serve no purpose being tradeable

[meager flame]

and you can turn bandos tassets into a torva chest :)

[minor whale]

Yeah I don't like that you can break down pieces

[true talon]

Get the plugin, its great for this ugly shit.

[lofty sinew]

you get 1/9th of oathplate breaking it down, its hardly relevant

[minor whale]

But 1/9th of a piece per piece is an ok rate

[meager flame]

yeah the number is honestly crazy

[lofty sinew]

its an iron thing and even then its kind of a spit in the face

[minor whale]

For if they have to do it

[meager flame]

yeah its actually trolling like

[lofty sinew]

you could argue its better than nothing, but at that point u might aswell drop trade it to buy bonds lol

[nocturne solstice]

A clanmate mentioned dupe protection would be nice. I would prefer that to breaking em down into shards.

[meager flame]

yeah jagex let me break down my 200m pair of legs to skip over 50 shards of grinding and the shards are 1 in 16

[minor whale]

I think drops should just be drops

[meager flame]

like

come on

lol

[minor whale]

The rate for this boss is already crazy fast

[sacred oracle]

i somewhat like items dropping in order, but i don't know where it's appropriate to do that

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah im fine with drops just being drops too

[sacred oracle]

it was nice for clogging moons of peril

[minor whale]

They didn't need to make it even less chances to go dry

It's already like 60 hours lmao

[lofty sinew]

i would rather the items drop in order and just fully remove shards

[sullen island]

I'm an iron, I like that they gave you an option to break them down but I also quite enjoy that you should almost never break them down

[sacred oracle]

but ... i don't know what it would break or unbalance applied to other bosses

[meager flame]

the breakdown thing is only there to provide a floor for the helm

thats attached to the value of the chest and legs

[lofty sinew]

the helm will never go to 1/9th of the price of the other pieces, are u crazy?

[true talon]

Problem is, the helm still has less value than other pieces. so you wont be excited after plate/legs that you landing helm as your next roll.

[meager flame]

an iron breaking down anything is psychotic

you dont get enough shards

for that to ever make sense

[lofty sinew]

after you've gotten all 3 pieces it can be fully random

problem solved

[meager flame]

you would legit put it in deaths coffer first

[minor whale]

It's a 60 hour expected to complete boss

It doesn't need dry protection

[lofty sinew]

its more than 60 hours

[true talon]

good for irons/cloggers, bad for mains/money hunters.

[raw terrace]

a lot of irons have enough GP on their main to never buy bonds for years, I don't think it's psychotic for them to take advantage of that.

[minor whale]

For near bis armor/sometimes bis

[meager flame]

they would put it in deaths coffer then

if they really dont care about gp

like

[true talon]

60 hours in what world, im already 280 kc in with no pieces and only 1/3rd of the BLP lol

[meager flame]

you get 12 oathplate shards per drop at a very generous rate assuming solo

breaking the items down is only giving you 50

[lofty sinew]

atleast give me 100 or 150

i'd consider it

[meager flame]

you will save yourself more time by coffering it lol

its a very very bad rate

[lofty sinew]

got enough stuff to coffer

[true talon]

100 shards would be enough to consider breaking it.

[warm epoch]

from what

[meager flame]

yama

[true talon]

like 150 would be ideal

[warm epoch]

it's like .8

[meager flame]

per shard drop

[true talon]

horn should also break down into shards

because horn is gonna hit rock bottom

[minor whale]

10 kph is feasible with good gear soloing, sub 3 minute duos also fairly reasonable
For 1/200 drops and if dry the shard rate means your 3rd piece is craftable at like 50% over rate

60-70 hours for all 3 armor pieces and horn in that time really is not the kind of boss needing all these dryness mechanics just to coddle irons

[meager flame]

meanwhile im over 70 hours and i've seen 4 total drops for anyone in the instance

[lofty sinew]

well make the shards untradeable and it has no effect on average rng or economy

[meager flame]

and 3 of them have been legs

[small oyster]

It's a great system, nice that crafting skills are actually useful for endgame armour, I hope they do it again

[meager flame]

tbh the shards are like

a really good system for someone playing an iron

i just feel like they tried to make it more than it should be by making them tradable

now anyone can get 6 shards sell them and they add up to items

regardless of how long they stay with the content

unlike vestiges or SRA etc

[warm epoch]

i agree these kinda things should be untradable

[small oyster]

It's fine being tradable, better for group irons and creates an economy to support profit via skilling for mains

[warm epoch]

because it limits how to balance things

[nocturne solstice]

Well as a tradable they become a skilling money maker

[minor whale]

There's already 300k traded daily on the exchange
That's an extra 800 Oathplate pieces per day coming in from just shards
Kinda fucking wild

[meager flame]

i just dont really feel like they need to do that in general

[plush gull]

what is BLP??? its not the blowpipe fairy ring to the place blowpipe is best at?

[lofty sinew]

yama is pvm content, skilling shouldnt affect the prices of the boss uniques

[meager flame]

if they want to make a skilling money maker they really dont have to tie it to whatever newest pvm boss

[true talon]

Shale is still good, but it would be better if oathplate shards were untradeable

[hasty shard]

zul andra is bjs innit

[meager flame]

it is

never forget

[raw terrace]

just because the shards are traded on the GE doesn't mean that they're being made into armour, but I understand your point.

[hasty shard]

cause zulrah drops the blow pipe

[meager flame]

shale would be a lot worse tbf

if they were untradable

[minor whale]

People buying the shards are absolutely making them into armor

[lofty sinew]

yes it does? why would you buy shards if not creating armor?

[minor whale]

No real reason to buy them otherwise

[hasty shard]

honestly shale should have been an xp method instead

[lofty sinew]

sitting on them for fun?

[meager flame]

because the only people buying shale would be people who sat at yama long enough to get 450 shards

[sullen island]

no they’re waiting for the prices to crash

[meager flame]

so that market would disappear

[hasty shard]

also, having their cake and eating it why is it a gp method and afk method

[raw terrace]

have you never flipped or invested before?

[brazen violet]

Jagex I got 25def on my pure cuz of Yama contract update, how you gonna fix this?

[meager flame]

unless of course the shale were also untradable

[minor whale]

Investing in an armor set that's crashing 10% a day?

[meager flame]

lol

[minor whale]

That's certainly a choice

[meager flame]

then it would be really funny

[lofty sinew]

they're gonna be created down the line anyway lol

[meager flame]

but im pretty sure thats not the idea they were going for

[raw terrace]

i'm not saying it's a good investment I'm just saying that the 800 pieces of armour per day figure is not accurate.

[brazen violet]

Jagex I got 99attack on my pure cuz of Yama contract update, how you gonna fix this?

[winter hearth]

Will likely identify anybody significantly impacted automatically using a huge data query and then restore. Would be surprised to see many people significantly impacted beyond 1 def - imagine you'd notice the weirdness on a small-ish XP drop and then stop instantly, meaning even people sitting at 42/45/70 def or 50/60/75/82 attack likely shouldn't be affected

[brazen violet]

Jokes apart, it can happen that you may not be paying attention and idk blowpipe hit something for a few seconds until u notice fireworks

[winter hearth]

For sure, but will likely be a couple of def levels that we should be able to fix

[brazen violet]

Kk ty boss

[pine acorn]

Im also hearing that P3 Yama is broken Sir Goblin, alot of DPS checks, is that being looked into aswell

[winter hearth]

Pretty sure the P3 Yama thing was hotfixed? He shouldn't be running up to people any more

Unless you mean in a different way? In which case please share!

[pine acorn]

Im not there atm i was avoiding it cause my friends seem to say its been getting alot dps checked/hitting zeros

[true talon]

what you mean by dps checks

like he is spawning flares before the 12 hit cycle?

[pine acorn]

dps checks means, hitting alot of zeros basically

so you get more damage from not hitting

[true talon]

thats not really a bug thats more of not hitting

[winter hearth]

I guess in a way that is a DPS check but weird usage of it, are they maging?

[plush gull]

ok good news only 3-4 of the contracts look like they might be fun

[true talon]

Uhhhhh lol i dont think this should happen

[honest hearth]

goblin tbow has lost 4 max hits

[pine acorn]

asking for extra clarity on this issue one moment

[honest hearth]

thats the issue

[winter hearth]

aware of the lost max hits, suspect it's related to the other Ranged issues

[plush gull]

i wonder if the glyph contract is faster than regular if u just fireball skip

[tacit pendant]

Javelins getting shoved through a bronze cbow lol

[kind sail]

weird that adjusting drop rates breaks an entire skill

[plush gull]

i was kinda hoping for being forced to walk without "drain stamina on hit, u lose if u wanna run out of stamina"

so dying isnt enough ways to lose contract???

[neon gate]

Stamina is breath

You are forfeiting breath

[winter hearth]

Suspect it's also related to the ot her Ranged issues

[honest hearth]

@winter hearth cant you just disable horn till you sort out the dps bugs with claws and that

[neon gate]

When you run out of it you die

[plush gull]

wonder what "Both Yama & Challenger gain Wretched Strength."

means

but tbh im noping away from those void flares

[winter hearth]

We'd still need to 'fix' the Claws to do it, it'd take the same amount of time

[plush gull]

tbh only 2 contracts look fun

the crush one and stamina one

[neon gate]

It's a cool mechanic and I am looking forward to future contract changes so I can attempt it without killing 3536336272 lesser demons

[honest hearth]

but to get the game back to normal?

[neon gate]

But alas

That isnt possible

Great game play :)

[honest hearth]

all dps of multi hitsplat weapons seem cooked

[proven aspen]

Thank god no rollback.. I just got vorkath head 4kc lol!

[kind sail]

also nice to see that w got a big buff to contracts to a 1/1.3k chance at a oathplate recolor contract, kinda hype

[tender apex]

any eta on why ranged weapons are doing 2 less damage then they should?

[neon gate]

Yeah it's huge

[plush gull]

"Yama drains Challenger's stamina passively." so is the fight just a dps check even if u take no damage and always walk???

vile vigour time i guess

[neon gate]

Won't get 3 attempts per pet rate yet

[winter hearth]

The timeframe would be the exact same, if things beyond claws are impacted (I don't think Scythe/Chally are) then it's not something I've heard much about prior to now

[neon gate]

But maybe the 1 or 2 extra contracts will be ones you need

[plush gull]

yeah same

[winter hearth]

Fix being worked on for Ranged issues, suspect they all share the same root cause

[honest hearth]

yea rodgee, erm no rollback?

[grizzled jolt]

id assume it means dharkos set effect?

[winter hearth]

no discussions of rollbacks among the team

[grizzled jolt]

so lower the health higher the hit

[true talon]

You dont got demonbane weps, unsure how you gonna actually do ayama lol

[kind sail]

based goblin

[neon gate]

It's just claws afaik

[kind sail]

good stuff

[pine acorn]

Not sure what they mean Jagexgoblin, people just seem to say its hitting alot of zeros at P3, the running up thing should be fixed

Thank you for all your hard work/the team

[winter hearth]

Hitting 0s with melee, mage?

[proven aspen]

@winter hearth I appreciate your effort here!

[pine acorn]

Mage from what i hear

[winter hearth]

Potentially related to the Ranged issues

[plush gull]

ok it only costs me 300m to get 100 of the fun contracts

[sullen island]

and I might be able to attempt each radiant contract once by 2k yama kc!

[true talon]

You dont even have demonbane weps........

[winter hearth]

my dog doesn't, he has no idea that the reason he can't go on a walk is because Ranged is cooked in Old School RuneScape

[tender harness]

Shhh

[wispy current]

are we gonna fix oathplate prices or is this gonna be another fang situation?

[plush gull]

thats not true my arclight is 30% infused and i have 3 totems ill solo yama in a few days, probably able to give u advice on the melee p3 in a week

[tender harness]

This is no where near fang bad

[vagrant sparrow]

@winter hearth There should be a way to "abort all" next to collect, so we can collect all items not sold.

[true talon]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NxmVjpzFJd-AOcoq62AsjbemeUjhCe09LUe8HGTHaJ8/https/i.imgur.com/r7FLjdl.mp4

3 tick 56s lets goooo

[hasty shard]

vile vigour 🔥

[tacit pendant]

Can u shoot javs out of zcb? Wanna pot some nex?

[proven aspen]

Dude I understand. I've got 2 Huskys mouthy laides lmao

[true talon]

I tried, it seems to only work with bronze crossbow and hunter crossbow lol

[vagrant sparrow]

big QoL update am i right all?

[tacit pendant]

Honestly hunter crossbow with javs is pscho

[winter hearth]

he's not usually very vocal but the little guy is fuming

[tacit pendant]

3tick 55s

[plush gull]

bruh what

javelins from crossbows?

lol really?

they gonna rollback now if anyone sets any colo WRs?

well maybe ill have another reason to request my membership refund be reconsidered if I go get banned from shooting javelins 😮

[honest hearth]

bro dogs most loyal animal, start being loyal back

[winter hearth]

gotta stay loyal to paying my rent, which I'm sure he appreciates

[true talon]

So goblin i learned that the range bug is caused by teleporting or zoning. if you change your weps it gets fixed.

[winter hearth]

We're aware of how to repro, working on a stable fix

[plush gull]

can u still fire javelins out of crossbows if u pray

[honest hearth]

i reckon it was good getting runecrafting xp from dihns spec

[true talon]

oh it works with any ranged wep XD

[plush gull]

comp bow javelins have replaced bofa 10/10 update

[thick bronze]

I got 1xp in defence what are the odds itll be reset? the shame haunts me

[plush gull]

bruh i got merched i cant shoot dragon javelins out of this magic comp bow even after teleporting

[true talon]

Hey atleast yama is lore accurate. his contracts has brought upon chaos to runescape world.

[true talon]

it was fixed lol

[last onyx]

my maxed hit with bowfa has gone down since update, was hitting 51s at hydra, now max hit is 48, dps calc still says 51, anyone else noticed lower max hits with bowfa?

[true talon]

yes they are aware. its a bug

all ranged weps lost 3 max hits, sunlight hunter crossbow can shoot dragon javelins

[plush gull]

so was it fixed or not???

[true talon]

The javelin part is fixed, i can no longer do it.

[last onyx]

tyty

[chilly portal]

damn was gonna try pking with it lol

[mild saddle]

damn I really had some hope they were going to address the issues with contracts

ah well dead content it is

[minor whale]

Contracts do really be just worse orbs

Wild

Remember when we were told they're not like orbs

Turns out that was somehow a bad thing

[mild saddle]

apparently the lesson learned was that orbs were too common

[sacred oracle]

i'm really curious to see how expensive on average it's gonna be to get radiant

if it's really as hard as awakened bosses, but you have to get five pieces, and the contracts are even more expensive than orbs

phew

[true talon]

Free, with the handy animation swapper plugin.

[mild saddle]

looks like it's coming but i had some hope they were going to pause contract release to really dig in and fix the issues with them

[sacred oracle]

though it looks like the contracts for radiant are actually way lower in price now

i don't know the names of all of them tho

[last onyx]

For aether catalyst contract... do we each get 2k or if duo is it split 1k each

[mild saddle]

maybe i'll be surprised but really does look like this is going to be really bad

[sacred oracle]

i'm reserving judgment for tomorrow

the fights don't look interesting from the contract descriptions, but they could look very different than they sound

and also the contracts might not be describing everything that's different

[mild saddle]

if they're interesting, that's also a failure

because these are still ridiculously rare or you need to fight crappy mobs for them

[sacred oracle]

Some of the restraints on Yama's strength will be removed.
Yama can spawn enhanced voidflares.
Yama can cast enhanced incantations.
Challenger will regain 50% less prayer and health.
Challenger must be alone.
i very much wanted to know what "enhanced" means

[sacred oracle]

you just buy em

[mild saddle]

see them being ridiculously rare

[sacred oracle]

i don't have a problem with cosmetics being expensive

[mild saddle]

the only explanation at this point is that contracts are super boring

[cursive vector]

The fuck is wretched strength?

Also what does it meean thag my spec is enhanced

[torpid delta]

the name of the dharok passive

[sacred oracle]

[[wretched strength]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dharok_the_Wretched's_equipment

[cursive vector]

Oooh

[sacred oracle]

wiki is best friend

[pseudo basalt]

they are like 1/50 from lesser demons, suck for irons obviously but will be dirt cheap for mains

[blissful sage]

ty fixed ❤️

cya next crash ily all ❤️

[neon gate]

https://i.imgur.com/6Qdypuk.png really epic high level gameplay

impeccable game design

[warm epoch]

surely you have better gear to kill them with

[plush gull]

i was looking forward to an inferno level fight that i could make super hard and then solo for extra challenge

this really couldnt be any worse

[neon gate]

jmods been playing the elon musk game too much

[plush gull]

and reddit and the majority of this discord seems ok with it, do this many people really have no critical thinking abilities? or do they just not wanna do new boss fights in the game they apparently play?

[warm epoch]

mainies smh

[jovial sentinel]

a lot of people dont form an opinion till their youtuber/streamer tells them what to think

[plush gull]

and apparently gnomonkey stopped being flavor of the month just in time to finally say something correct

[jovial sentinel]

he'd probably find a way to get the bandwagon on making it worse

[obsidian venture]

Ngl… why would you when you haven’t attempted any? Of course it wouldn’t affect you

It’s just bad game design when that’s usually what endgame gets, and now gated by orbs or contracts

[plush gull]

its really depressing, i play to get my minds off real world politics but the stuff this company does also seem like cursed nonsense that could only be satire but isn't

[jovial sentinel]

thats kind of a big overreaction

[true talon]

End game gets worst and worst, which is a shame. because early/mid is well done right now.

[jovial sentinel]

like, it could have been better for sure, and its a bit of a let down, but its not the end of the world

its just fine

[obsidian venture]

Mod Elena said that everyone doesn’t have to have access to do everything and that certainly should apply to “endgame” content. (Yama at its base truly isn’t an endgame encounter)

[plush gull]

its really not, designing video game content just to make people not allowed to play it, will never make sense

[jovial sentinel]

i doubt that was their intention though

[true talon]

Well then we need this system on every content drop, gate keep the noobs from hitting goblins unless they pay 10 alkraid coins to pass though the gate.

[obsidian venture]

Why did colosseum have a wave 1 farming sim? Tanked the price of splinters for no reason

[true talon]

See how stupid this sounds?

[plush gull]

its what they did with awakened orbs

[jovial sentinel]

rare drop = good for a lot of people.
rare drop that makes exciting fight is a fairly natural way to look at making something cool

[plush gull]

and instead of fixing it they made a worse system

like what is jagex doing?

[jovial sentinel]

sure, it didnt end up being that, but mistakes happen

the game isnt 'worse' because of yama

the boss is sick

[true talon]

This made no sense, sunfire splinters on wave 1 shoulda been removed.

[jovial sentinel]

the extra mechanic is kinda meh

they are human, sometimes you try something and it doesnt hit

[obsidian venture]

Yeah let’s allow folks to not engage with the content, and earn gp! Really cool

[jovial sentinel]

yeah, i agree, it should have been obvious

[jovial sentinel]

but you know.

[plush gull]

no one knows what anyone's intentions are, but the actions jagex have taken declare that they don't want people playing and enjoying their game

[jovial sentinel]

a game developer isnt attempting to make a bad game

that can be safely assumed

maybe they do want to kill their game, but that seems... pretty unlikely.

[true talon]

Only fools dont learn from their past mistakes. repeating a system with over whelming negative feedback from literally everyone in all ranges of skill. and then doubling down on making it worst is not a "miss"

[jovial sentinel]

yeah, i agree.

[sacred oracle]

somehow, i find myself able to imagine things i haven't experienced yet because i have a functioning brain and an imagination

[plush gull]

thats exactly why this is so dumb lmao

why say "nah people arent allowed to fight this boss"??? like that makes no sense. is whoever designed the fight disappointed in it and wants to burn it up? like even that i would say makes no sense

[jovial sentinel]

but something ive noticed recently.. jagex clearly has a big problem getting feedback

they listen to the wrong people constantly

[sacred oracle]

it's almost like how you can have empathy and understand other people's experiences!

[tacit pendant]

Yama is late game by realistic standards, depending on which jagex quote you pick, they accomplished their goal. Somethin somethin aimed at people looking to start first inferno

[jovial sentinel]

so, how to find the right people?

[sacred oracle]

people are crazy like that

[true talon]

He is pretty late game, the HLC has some insane takes on difficulty lol.

[minor whale]

Holy overreaction
They probably vastly overestimated how many people would be farming the contracts from demons, so now the supply is low. They can adjust them to a rate they think is good, knowing now that nobody really cares about farming contracts from demons.
But saying Jagex doesn't want people to play the game is insane lmfao
Contracts suck but that's just a crazy ass take

[plush gull]

its literally true though, with awakeners orbs

contracts arent out yet but the system doesnt seem better

[jovial sentinel]

who are the right people to listen to?
the masses? id argue that the voting system is stupid, most people watch youtube video and copy streamer opinion, so depending on how big that % is, a few votes are counting as 10s of thousands

[true talon]

Who in their right mind is gonna kill greater and black demons. when you can do tormented or demonics or zammy.

[vivid ruin]

Not really. Its a cosmetic you're talking about. L0l

[neon gate]

this is fucking stupid

I pay membership

[tacit pendant]

Dude even the best players of this game spew some dogshit opinions, its true of every game

[jovial sentinel]

specialised people? they are too focused on their own thing being better, even if it makes the game worse

absolutely

[neon gate]

can I pay 20 bonds/year for premier club and get access to the premium content endgame fights for free?

[plush gull]

im not talking about any cosmetics. people want to do awakeners orbs challenge runs but no one has been able to except people who happen to have 30b banks

[sacred oracle]

earlier, you said it was 10b

[neon gate]

30b isn't what it used to be

[plush gull]

100 tril

[sacred oracle]

every time you talk about this, you exaggerate it more

[minor whale]

They probably looked at the number of them being killed and based a drop rate around that, but probably didn't look at where they were being killed
Wouldn't surprise me if they looked at "how many black or greater demons are killed each week" and forgot to exclude gorillas and tormented from the list

[true talon]

it is true that saxer spent 13b on awakener orbs for speed runs.

[plush gull]

ur calling me the troll when u dont even care about doing the boss. stop trolling

[sacred oracle]

i have almost 300 solo yama kc?

[grizzled jolt]

all cosmetic contracts drop back on kill, that is really not a probplem anymore, the real probplem is that the cost to learn is still really high

[true talon]

port khazard has 3k levi kc an that alone is 3b in orbs lol

[jovial sentinel]

they arnt wrong though

you do have an extremely over the top emotive opinion atm

gotta calm down a lot

[plush gull]

theres no change for awakeners orbs. and them dropping on completion doesnt fix the challenge run problem

[jovial sentinel]

like, the boss didnt make the game worse

at its worst, the game is still great

[plush gull]

u misread, go back and read what u originally told that to

[obsidian venture]

Congrats on imaging things? There’s being willfully ignorant and “imagining” how things are and then there’s the actual problem faced by current players doing said content. Imagining only does so much and isn’t helpful at all to any discussion

[jovial sentinel]

no, i didnt.

[true talon]

Oh no it made it better. but seeing a system like contracts and their stance on it, doesnt give much hope to the future updates.

[minor whale]

This is the same guy who also says he's doing Yama with mega budget gear and doesn't want to get synapses to do the boss
I don't think his opinions are exactly grounded in reality

[jovial sentinel]

100%

thats been the theme for me too a lot lately

[cold stirrup]

bot busting stream today???

[plush gull]

u know what would make the game better? new hard boss fights

if only we could get those huh?

[true talon]

yama is pretty hard

[upbeat moss]

check back tomorrow

[jovial sentinel]

then become a game developer and make a better game

[plush gull]

yeah but harder yama would be even cooler

[jovial sentinel]

because it seems like you think its easy

[minor whale]

Is this your main

[warm epoch]

tbf, they explicitly said it wouldnt be like awakeners, and its very much worse

[minor whale]

Why are you complaining about adding harder boss fights brother

[jovial sentinel]

yeah lol. contracts are a big oof

im just saying its not the worst thing, its just a little annoying

we can say we dont like something without acting like the devs are bad humans

[sacred oracle]

so if I understand you correctly, only people who have done blorva are permitted to have opinions on the price of cosmetics? i'm not following you. is no one able to contribute to the conversation unless they've finished the content? or is it only if they've tried the content "enough" for you?

so basically most people can't have input on this?

[neon gate]

Yes

[sacred oracle]

that's an interesting perspective

[neon gate]

What color is your blorva @sacred oracle

[plush gull]

people who are impacted by things are allowed to complain about them

it doesnt sound like contracts negatively affect u

[neon gate]

1200m exp 47 jad no zuk kc 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

why did I even bother looking

[late furnace]

Damn was hoping yhe stackable clues was this week.. hoping next update then?

[obsidian venture]

To some degree but the fact that most folks who have done the content, or folks who want to try said content, both hate the system of awakeners orbs. This content is mainly 1nd so the price of orbs will go down even though it’s “money” for midgame folks

[vivid ruin]

Lmao

[fossil epoch]

Quite a few updates in the pipeline missing thats older than stackable clues, so guess it just depends on how many resources they have put into completing it

[obsidian venture]

Like you can also use your brain to be realistic and not simply imagine how things could be

[late furnace]

Gotcha. This one just seemed easyto implement so i was hopeful lol

[minor whale]

It's a whole other conversation between cosmetics being expensive vs endgame content not being rewarding
People think Awakened Bosses are fun but that doesn't mean Blorva should be cheap, it means Awakened Bosses should probably just be actually rewarding to players to do
Same with Yama contracts
If Oathplate cosmetic is expensive that's fine, but the fights that are harder should probably also give more than just "you can now color your armor differently"

[sacred oracle]

i don't know, why did you? why is this about me? when were we talking about zuk? who are you?

[jovial sentinel]

personally attacking people based on their account is weird

[obsidian venture]

Yeah and the fact that it isn’t rewarding post a cosmetic is genuinely pathetic

[plush gull]

people dont do blorva or contracts just for "cosmetics"

if the sanguine kit let you do awakened bosses for fun, i would get it even though i would never waste 18m on blood runes to make armour i dont have uglier

[fossil epoch]

Well considering todays update, idk what easy to implement even means.
I think the understanding of what we want the update to be is simple, but implmenting it might not be

[warm epoch]

wizzy is known as one of those people

[minor whale]

Well that's just flat wrong lmao
The number of people who have > 1 awakened kc in each boss has gotta be an extremely small % of the overall population who have any awakened kc

People absolutely do do this just for cosmetics, it just sucks that's the only reason to do a fun fight

[plush gull]

bruh thats because it costs 1k pounds a month to do the bosses for fun

[shadow wave]

Explanation for the exp issue today:

[plush gull]

which is my whole point

[minor whale]

You've got some of the craziest over exaggerations on things I've ever seen
Next up it's gonna cost 12k/week to do Yama contracts for fun!!!

[obsidian venture]

No need for folks to attack but looking at an account discussing stuff above their “pay grade” as it’s questionable why they’re involved in the topic to some degree

[wispy current]

no ones gonna take u srs if u keep talking about buying bonds to pay for orbs

[plush gull]

i know right??? why is jagex doing this!!!

[minor whale]

Also doesn't help that half your posts are just trolling bullshit lmao

[plush gull]

not my fault, people shouldnt even need to have me tell them this

[jovial sentinel]

nothing is above anyone's pay grade. we can have knowledge/experience from outside the game and can talk about things based on that

we can also have experience on other accounts.

[plush gull]

why does it cost 5bil an hour to 1 HP DH oathplate acquisition contracts 😭 😭 😭 😭

[jovial sentinel]

we can also watch videos on other people's experiences, and (hopefully not coping their opinion) form an opinion on something based on our experience

everyone's perspective is valuable

unless they are being outwardly rude

[true talon]

They have 134 colo kc, no shot they are poor. i have 78 kc and i converted all quivers into pet rolls.

so they doing colo with 200m is a self inflicted problem

[plush gull]

bonds cost 400m a year dude

i also spent 400m more on leagues alt bonds

[true talon]

?

why would you spend 400m on leagues alts

[plush gull]

cuz i like leagues

[minor whale]

I dunno I don't think "Cosmetics are fine being expensive" is really that crazy of a statement to make to go deep dive into someone's stats and tell them to not have an opinion
Like yeah could the fight itself be not locked behind orbs, absolutely
I've said before once you get Blorva they should perm unlock awakened bosses
But the statement isn't insane nor 'wrong' to have just because he doesn't have blorva

[wispy current]

if only there was another way to pay for membership....

[obsidian venture]

Disagree with this because most of the time, the folks watching a video/streamer ends up parroting something that is sometimes false. You’d see that with constant gear/raids discussion in this game. Also having experience in another game is fine but it doesn’t correlate to what’s in the game if you haven’t at least engaged with it

[true talon]

ok but you dont need to buy a yearof membership for leagues

[jovial sentinel]

thats why i specified that in there.

[plush gull]

yeah but i needed lots of alts to experience all the builds

[vivid ruin]

30 mins of irl work > bonds

[jovial sentinel]

assuming they arnt copying that opinion, its valuable.

[plush gull]

it was only like 2 bonds per account on average

[jovial sentinel]

if they are, not valuable, 100%

in fact, thats pretty toxic, because you're making their opinion count more than everyone else's

[mild saddle]

dossier should've been a 1/5 tertiary drop that doesn't have teleport scrolls and the unique contracts should've been removed

[dark raven]

No you don’t understand he’s forced to play 17 league alts. Jagex literally made him get 3 extra jobs so he could afford the $10,000,000 per year to play a 25 year old game.

Am I doing it right?

[upbeat moss]

guys it costs $2k a month to play leagues why would jagex do this

[plush gull]

leagues is worth it its ok

[mild saddle]

if they were going to learn any lessons from orbs

[plush gull]

they havent learned any lessons from orbs, if they had then they would fix orbs

orbs still arent fixed yet

[obsidian venture]

If

[true talon]

Only lesson that needed to be learned, was dont do it again lol.

[mild saddle]

really expected more from the contract update

shocked their decision was to double down on the kill early game mobs method

and to leave the unique contracts in the game

[grizzled jolt]

the unique contracts will lead to aprox 15% more oathplate in the game assuming not a single player ever dies doing them and that enough players are willing to lose tens of millions a death to do them, i assure you they wont singlehandedly make oathplate cost 3m per piece

[plush gull]

someone give me 5b so I can 1 hp dh the oathplate contracts for an hour

oops sorry begging isnt allowed my bad

im going back to inferno this update is depressing

[mild saddle]

that's not the only reason they're a bad idea

[plush gull]

oh wait my blowpipe is bugged

not hotfixed yet??

[upbeat moss]

#game-news message

[mild saddle]

because they're linked to uniques, jagex can't ever buff them to reasonable rates to obtain them and attempt that content

[plush gull]

okay

[true talon]

Its also pickable oathplate. meaning no1 will ever choose the cheapest item. besides maybe an ironman.

[mild saddle]

whereas all the other contracts there's still hope they can fix their mistake and make them more common, but unique contracts are doomed

[plush gull]

just in time for my caffeine to wear off

[upbeat moss]

jagex should refund your caffeine

[grizzled jolt]

the bosses for all the "acquasition" contract is the same, if you want to go experience that boss you can pay like 200k to do the worm contract

[plush gull]

jagex should refund the 2 hours of sleep im about to lose

[grizzled jolt]

ok true in that case there will be aprox 20% more legs and bodies in the game

[minor whale]

Yeah oathplate is gonna mega crash tomorrow once the acquisition contracts are 'solved'

[wispy current]

Its already 360m for set and it hasnt even been a week

[fossil epoch]

Am iron, and not even sure i want to make the oath helm tbh

https://i.imgur.com/qP5irPU.png

[minor whale]

It was 'stable' for a few days at 160m for top/bottom and 60m for helmet
Today made it drop 20m for top/bottom and helmet jumped 15m
Tomorrow I expect the whole set to plummet

[bronze kernel]

Oathplate is gonna end up being like 10M

[minor whale]

Unless the contracts are like equal value as the oathplate

I could see it being 250m for the set

100/100/50

[fading maple]

Does anyone know if higher level demons have increased drop rates for contracts? Or if the rate is the same regardless

[plush gull]

the people who ive seen make the most money this past week were all doing greater demons

but i dont think anyone knows for sure, drop rates arent released

[fading maple]

I figured as much, just wanted to see if anyone had done tests or seen any patterns

[plush gull]

imagine spending 360m for a 3% dps increase on void instead of just spending 360m on orbs and contracts so you can play the game

[vivid ruin]

Is this dude ever going to stop talking about blowing his bank on orbs ^

[plush gull]

nope. not even after it's fixed. how did jagex do something so nonsensical in the first place??? like why would you design fights just to say no one is supposed to actually play them a lot?

its inexcusable imo

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-touch-grass-gif-24659299

[plush gull]

bruh my trackpad finger gets its skin rubbed off enough without me having to wash my hands even more

[restive siren]

its wild to me that people even still engage

its 24/7 crying

[plush gull]

ill probably get bored of the fights in a month after spending 80% of my bank to finish 2 oathplate contracts without even having oathplate

awakeners orbs might be the worse issue

[rare sluice]

A question ❓

[dark raven]

It’s just rage baiting. Too many people on the internet get off on it.

[rare sluice]

Why can't I get out of Word 401?

[plush gull]

#game-questions also try logging out completely

[true talon]

Why am i sure this is ren ren ren ren

[plush gull]

lmao

why didnt you answer me @ Goblin

[true talon]

they not gonna answer that lol

[plush gull]

why not

[winter hearth]

I was on lunch, but it doesn't feel like you're engaging in the best faith, what was the @ for?

[plush gull]

i specifically made it so it doesnt ping, do u have a bot set up to highlight the word goblin?

[winter hearth]

no, I tend to be most active in here around update times if it's an update I might have something to contribute to, but don't monitor for people @ing me all of the time because I have other stuff to do, what was the ask?

[austere mulch]

Claws still bugged with horn after hotfix

Feel like this all could’ve been avoided had it just worked with first acc check as polled

[winter hearth]

From last Friday's blog, though I have asked the team for another pass to see whether or not it might be fine for them to work

[plush gull]

ok well so last I heard jagex is open to making the awakened bosses repeatable for fun, like by making blorva kit act like an echo orb. is there any eta for when this will be polled?

also are there any update on asian or other region servers?

[small anvil]

The oath fight is basically the same as the worm fight Ren

[austere mulch]

The second accuracy check should be a 0XXX damage though, we’re still rolling complete misses under horn as of the latest hot fix

[small anvil]

According to the contract

[minor whale]

Yeah the claws are still broken

[plush gull]

yeah its mostly the stam, crush, and maybe the bloodied blows that look fun

[winter hearth]

No ETA but I hope the team remain open to it

I don't have any knowledge of that stuff because it's not game content, but I would imagine no updates - and if there were then it wouldn't come from me in a Discord

[minor whale]

They don't work with horn at all

[austere mulch]

Can’t imagine the code for the spec is particularly fun to work with though

[winter hearth]

Oh you're right, total brainfart mb

Have passed on

[austere mulch]

Ty ily ❤️

[plush gull]

what about the zanaris "leak" today? also no knowledge because its not game content?

[vernal valve]

dclaws spec is Load Bearing Code

[winter hearth]

It's not something I've ever worked on or close to, totally separate from OSRS

[plush gull]

good to know

[austere mulch]

From a numbers side, I don’t see how it working with first hitsplat is necessarily an issue since it’s still proportionally worse than horn + scythe (28% vs 16% increased exp damage on high def target) and gives horn slightly more use outside of just Yama and sote (with some pretty cumbersome coordination) mauls

That said, if working with the second roll; its the same as it not working at all since it’s not worth using anyways, so I’m happy to see the normal spec fixed

[wispy current]

was the zanaris thing real? i saw somewhere that it could have been faked

[small anvil]

It was apparently in the sites source code

And I would expect jagex to be a bit more proactive about saying no it isn't cancelled if that was the case

[plush gull]

even discord preview showed the text so it was definitely real, but never on the main page

[small anvil]

People losing excitement for it isn't what they would want

[hasty shard]

its not in the source anymore, but is still present if you check wayback machine

https://web.archive.org/web/20250522040908/https://osrs.runescape.com/project-zanaris

[plush gull]

i need pz for trailblazer reloaded reruns and orbless awakened vard fights, i hope they accept my playtest application soon

😭

[warm slate]

Just hope its not going to be a 15-20$ a month subscription just to host a world

[plush gull]

im mad cuz last leagues there were discord challenges for naked blindfolded awakened vard and stuff and i didnt finish all of my last challenge card

someday im gonna 1 hp DH awakened vard and reclaim my dignity

[covert rose]

[plush gull]

tbh even in leagues it was so annoying having to get orbs, the person who did the perfect hitless awakened axe enthusiast challenge had over 1000 normal kc to farm orbs

i hope next leagues we have the blorva echo orb mechanic, and i hope we can rerun previous leagues this year with PZ

[true talon]

I dont like awakened orbs or awakened orbs 2.0. can awakened orb 3.0 just be the removal of the first two.

Next your going to put the entry key on the RDT so that you have to go farm ghorrocks to access end game bosses.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133615957844168764/1375092767788765236/NVIDIA_Share_gCRYiS4F22.mp4?ex=68306e6f&is=682f1cef&hm=723911bc999a8dd38f379063a7e1be51b47b1aa29784adea8da1a0aa9d800c21&

Lol

[dusky roost]

damn can yall crybabies stop bitching fr fr

[plush gull]

can u write me an essay on why you want this game to be less fun?

[restive siren]

[vivid ruin]

You're going to play regardless and give jagex thousands of dollars a year to cover your bonds that you exchange for orbs

[fossil epoch]

To be fair, that was a fun message from ren, he basicly acused the new guy in the server for being an ai bot and requested it something

[plush gull]

lmao i wish, but if the stars align i might spend 1bil of colo profits on orbs and contracts before holding my first megarare. lets hope that timeline doesnt happen tho

[fossil epoch]

But they are crying a lot in here, and doing the same tropes over and over

I dont like the contracts rarity and how they mainly decided to give them. But oh well

[toxic verge]

When are you not mad

[plush gull]

when i dont have 500 people pinging me to make fun of me without being able to refute any of my valid points

[chrome oracle]

Am I missunderstanding this or does only one person get the pet chance increase even if you duo it with a partner?

[true talon]

Same, ill just choose to not interact with this system. just like awakener orbs. its a shame as there isnt a lot you can do on an end game account.

[tacit wharf]

way i understood it, for any contract, is only the person who offers the contract gets the reward from it (when u can duo)

[chrome oracle]

In a contract where you can duo can both people offer it?

[thick beacon]

one thing i will give credit for is atleast is seems there is geninue incentive to do awaken yama post recolor

[true talon]

currently it dont seem like it. they said it goes to whoever opens the contract XD

[chrome oracle]

Wow that is a horrible decision, who would want to do that then only benefits boosting servers lmao

[tight brook]

Other person can still get regular loot. Nothing wrong with this. Makes ez boss harder. Its for fun.

[true talon]

Yep, means you can go pay a giga chad to boost your little ironman (however you still need to survive the fight i guess)

[tight brook]

Unique loot*

[wispy current]

#game-update message

[true talon]

This system needs more time to cook

boss is great, reward strcture is broken

[chrome oracle]

Welp guess we gotta solo pet contract then unlucky

[last onyx]

Do we both get 2k aether or just one person, or is it split ?

[frail bough]

just 1

[last onyx]

Interesting

[true talon]

Oathplate shards need to be untradeable. oathplate armor needs to break into like 100-150 shards or 1/3rd the cost to make a piece.
contracts need to be consumed only on completion.
teleports need to be removed from dossier.
teleports need to take you past the agility shortcut.
Demonic tallow needs to be emptiable in the bank.
Unique contracts need to be removed.

[frail nebula]

Trying to keep the whole contract system a secret before release, and not discussing it at all, was a bizarre decision

This should all have been discussed and iterated on before release

And now there's no time

This is just not a good way to go about development in general, IMO

And I really hope they don't do stuff like this in the future

[fossil epoch]

I was SURE that this update would have demonic tallow being emptiable into a bank

Like surely that was just something they forgot

its a small thing but yeh

[frail nebula]

The barrel is one of those few cases where it feels like they forgot there are people who don't play UIMs

Why doesn't he just drop noted tallow

[fossil epoch]

Oh i like the barrel way more than noted

Its thematicly so much smoother into the game

just needs to not be clunky

[tacit pendant]

Keeping player discussion and potential overeaction under wraps until release is a very valid dev strategy. Not saying it was or wasn't right in this situation.

[frail bough]

yeah idk about it being bad, imagine how much chaos would have happened w/o any feedback and them just dropping it as it was originally

[chrome oracle]

I feel like in this case if we knew beforehand that everything besides base boss was meant to be solo only we could have communicated and give them feedback so the dissapointment most of us are feeling now wouldnt be

[frail bough]

isn't that exactly what happened though

the only difference is they allowed the boss to be killed 1.5 weeks early

which also gave them the ability to fix bugs before people started doing contract things

all seems like the right play to me

[true talon]

Yama overall was good release. the bugs from himself was very minor and there is some slight QOL that can still be applied.

the bugs from the contract patch today was lol.

Watch the streamers go for world first purifed oathplate will be really cool tomorrow.

I as a normal player and ironman, will not interact with this content. due to the barrier to entry and punishment to learn. it cost way to much time. and its another system forcing you to have a main to practice.

[frail bough]

we dont even know how hard the contract actually are

im not sure you can say that a main is required lol

[true talon]

Regardless, everyone learns at their own pace

so even if its not hard for you, it can be hard for others. but maybe they want to learn and get better. adding the cost to entry makes that impossible.

[small anvil]

The extra things in the contacts don't sound that awful

[true talon]

Ya they dont

[frail bough]

they can do that though without using their contracts so idk what you're tlaking about

maybe for solo ones sure but idk man

[small anvil]

Like simple things can add up in difficulty

[true talon]

? what you mean lol.

[austere mulch]

The crush only contract surely had some influence from demonbane crush wep 🤣

[slender vapor]

[true talon]

Surprised inquis mace hasnt sky rocketed.

[small anvil]

Scythe is better

[true talon]

with no defense reduction

[small anvil]

Unless the fight has baseline higher stats

[true talon]

oh it did lol

[small anvil]

Oh inq armor tho

[austere mulch]

Yeah unless base def is increased or has higher floor, or can’t be reduced

[small anvil]

Oath was doing heavy lifting for slash

[austere mulch]

Scy wins

[plush gull]

the delve boss rewards are such a dumpster fire

its like huey rewards, selectively listening to reddit to keep making stuff as bad as possible

[true talon]

Delve boss rewards are fine actually

[small anvil]

Inq set spiked by 10%

[true talon]

im just more concerned with what they do as extra effects to delves. is it gonna be a entry delve key?

[plush gull]

why you gotta trigger me the moment im talking about something else

😭

oh crap they actually mentioned that tho

it didnt sound bad but theyve proven they can make things worse than i can imagine

[torn palm]

any possible confirmation on if purging staff special attack counts for the chasm of fire contract requs?

[true talon]

Nice a bot busting stream! lets goooo watch

[plush gull]

making sport out of banning players 🤮 are they being paid for that?

[fossil epoch]

they arent banning players though, its botters

Kid just mad at everything jagex does now, probably also mad that they allow bots to be in the game, mad about them banning the bots because they are also just players

[plush gull]

idk theres people on this server apparently playing instead of running scripts

[old tinsel]

Yes?

[plush gull]

disagreeing with me does not make me a troll nor a kid LMAO

[green pewter]

Are you botting?

[plush gull]

no im having spaghetti in the kitchen while my macbook is on my bed closed

[minor whale]

You know that someone who bots doesn't have to bot constantly, right?
These are all accounts that have been flagged for botting, and are now in that world. Doesn't mean that every account is a bot, but that they have botted

[formal sentinel]

So I read that there was an issue with range giving the wrong xp (probably very related to why max hits are lowered).

Anyone know what XP it's giving rn?

[plush gull]

like im not saying bots shouldnt be banned, but making sport of it is cringe

just ban them and spend that money on pz instead!

[old tinsel]

Its not like its tax dollars, they can do whatever they want

[plush gull]

and they are choosing to do a bot bust streaming

im not impressed

if i was their coworker i still wouldnt be impressed

[minor whale]

Do you do anything but complain and bait?

[restive siren]

this is what 1hp dh does to your brain kids

[formal sentinel]

Bots are harmful to the game. Making a sport of banning botters creates a fun way to get rid of them, to encourage that result.
It's a million times less cringe than complaining about it

[old tinsel]

You know not everyone employed is a coder/game designer right

They can do the stream while still working on the game

[plush gull]

ive said everything i want to say on this topic

[restive siren]

we are all grateful for the input

[formal sentinel]

Well, grateful it's done. Thank

[slender vapor]

Wonder how long till we get to the end of what you have to say on every other topic

[fossil epoch]

Yet i have a feeling you will continue

[plush gull]

thanks for finally not pinging me

[fossil epoch]

You're welcome

[formal sentinel]

Do people still do that? Like Mole and Eclipse Moon are the only places that's still useful enough to do nowadays, right?

[vernal valve]

i never imagined i'd hear someone say the delve rewards are underpowered ngl

[slender vapor]

Any way to cope to avoid doing wgs

[restive siren]

apparently, this person does not stop talking about it no matter what the current topic is

[vernal valve]

it's not even very good at mole these days tbh

fang is turbo good at mole

[formal sentinel]

Lmao

[formal sentinel]

Even worse

[vernal valve]

5m for full dharoks or 9m for a fang 🤔