game-update

[meager flame]

and we'll be talking about how "we don't really like how contracts played out..." within 2 years

when talking about new updates

thats pretty pessimistic but lol

[sterile pecan]

where is the clan recruitment tab?

[meager flame]

gotta scroll way down

might need to use channels & roles at the very top too if you set it up in a way where you cant see it

[austere mulch]

My guess is this will be a massive L, they won’t address it in time and then treat it like toas/colo where they say “Yeah we learned from our mistake attempting this at that content and that content, so we won’t be taking that approach in the future”

Conceptually cool/fine. Implemented poorly

[tacit wharf]

probably the same time as all updates

[nocturne solstice]

I have a sneaking feeling it might relate to the contracts 🤔

[tacit wharf]

oh i read that as when and not what

[slender vapor]

To be fair, every week it's the exact same shit

People flood here wanting to know when maint is

And the answer never changes

[small anvil]

I never know the time cuz I'm always asleep when it hits anyway

[meager flame]

I only know because it's 1 day off from what it has been since like

2004 lol at least

Although they used to be a little less consistent

Like we actually got Monday updates

And stuff like that

[meager flame]

did you guys see what the zanaris website leaked lol

[hard axle]

paused indefinitely? good

[meager flame]

that is an insane way to let people know about that early if its not some kind of incredible mistake

[hard axle]

not only was it poised to be like $1000/month a server, but the features that they could offer without exposing the core of the game was extremely limited.

[fossil epoch]

wheres the leak?

[hard axle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1ksh4jq/project_zanaris_paused_google_search_results/

[meager flame]

the crazy thing is that its not even hard to find if you go to the zanaris page and just ctrl f in the source code for it

you can find the indefinitely paused thing yourself

so there might be a very unfortunate update incoming

at least for the people that were waiting on it

[slender vapor]

Interesting

They truly wanted peoples money with that update

[upbeat moss]

How dare they

[fossil epoch]

Full description: "Project Zanaris is paused indefinitely, but we're grateful for your support and interest. While there are no current plans, we’re keeping the door open to future possibilities. Thank you for being part of the journey."
That one being in the source, is interesting yeh

[slender vapor]

Yeah that sounds like it's basically dead

It was probably a bigger more expensive task than they thought

[meager flame]

the crazy thing is that its apparently been there for like

going on 2 days

but someone just happened to notice

[fossil epoch]

Jagex hired a whole new team for this right, considering they promised us it wouldnt take away resources from osrs.
So im wondering if they are gonna have layoffs or if the osrs team just increases in developers

[meager flame]

i mean

are any of the people on zanaris primarily engine devs

i bet they keep them if there are any

idk about the other people though

[slender vapor]

More devs for the team doesn't sound too bad if directed properly

[meager flame]

mostly because i imagine jagex really struggles to hire people for their engine

those are typically the very smart people and idk how competitive jagex is when they're looking to hire them

[small anvil]

zanaris was a shitty idea from the start that would have been a net negative on retention and revenues IMO

so maybe jagex isnt completely braindead -_-

they wanted to be roblox

while giving very little actual control

build your own leagues was not going to be a sustainable business model that didn't canibalize the actual player base buff they get from the real thing

[plush gull]

zanaris is the potentially the only good thing to happen to this game since colosseum, players gotta save it before they make every boss cost $100k per hour to do

[meager flame]

im ngl

i always thought it was a bad idea

but its kinda crazy that they invested into it

showed it off as much as they did

then canned it like

2 months later? apparently lol

[fossil epoch]

I'm gonna miss telling people to make a PZ server for their bad game-suggestions though

[plush gull]

wait zanaris is paused indefinitely? daaaang im really glad my subscription runs out in 2 weeks

[hard axle]

No no, just tell them to make a PZ server when it arrives

Meaning they can shove their shit suggestions into a blender

[winged mantle]

My guess is it's also linked to the "leaked survey membership" fiasco and backlash

[meager flame]

i mean they did just get a new ceo

maybe he looked at the stats on the project and said thats not good enough

only jagex knows how many people were interested and what the feedback was really telling them

[jovial sentinel]

The interest was almost purely due to how little the servers are likely going to do

A lot of interest was there, and died the second they said that it was just going to be a few sliders you can move up/down, and what people actually want would come later.

I didnt expect anything good, outside of a few snowflake youtube series and hosted pvp events for at least 5 years

[plush gull]

like 4 hours until update post?

ngl im kinda glad zanaris is gone only because it makes it easy for me to forget this game existed instead of stressing and coping, idk why i ever had any expectations

[meager flame]

i mean they didnt offically announce anything but like

that would be a really wild thing to hide in your websites code so yeah

not a crazy assumption

[compact flicker]

Was going to say, I can't find a recent post on this

[meager flame]

basically if you embed the link to the website, look at it on google or inspect the page source on it

they have it written out that its indefinitely on pause

[plush gull]

4 and a half hours until regular update post time, but who knows if itll be later since the day is

[meager flame]

so its like

someone probably accidentally pushed the website update before the post formally announcing it

[compact flicker]

I see, that's an oopsie but we should get the official news soon

[jovial sentinel]

They are making early news mistakes often atm

[meager flame]

lol yeah

[fossil epoch]

Surely the news were planned soon-ish then? and possible asap now

[shadow wave]

It'll be interesting if they do decide to pause it as they spun up an entire team to work on it - so what are those Devs going to do now?

[sacred oracle]

Project Zanaris death would be great news. Maybe they can send all those staff to customer service, which we actually want and need

[hasty shard]

as someone who initially wanted PZ, this is the best outcome

stopped caring the second they turned it into sliderscape

[mellow bloom]

id personally like to see the client changes/api and the customer service stuff before it as well tbh.

pz makes a better "extra" that isnt really needed atm. as much as id like to have a server.

[jovial sentinel]

i dont tihnk they really turned it into sliderscape

that was just the progression of it. that sort of thing is way easier than letting people do runecode right away

[compact flicker]

Sliderscape?

[jovial sentinel]

PZ, as a pitch was to make private servers. the first thing we would see when that was 'done' would be almost purely sliders to change the server experience

like, more/less exp, drop rates, ect

[hasty shard]

instead of like getting to make your own map area/assets or whatever it was literally just toggles for stuff

[jovial sentinel]

no unique interesting mechanics.\

yeah.

they did say they other stuff would be coming based on people's usage/desires though

it just takes more work, obviously

[hasty shard]

really bad priorities imo, shouldnt wait for that go ahead

[compact flicker]

I see, so no dev modifications making it less interesting

[jovial sentinel]

i dont know if theres much waiting

because sliders would be in the finished product anyways

so, its a matter of getting something that works for people to use while also developing the rest.

i doubt there would, theoredically, have been much difference in how long it would have taken to go from nothing to having what people want (or whatever they would have met that at) and doing the same, but sliders first. in fact... the sliders version would likely save time

since.. we'd know much earlier what exactly it is people wanted in discovery

[ionic tartan]

It doesn't matter how hard runecode is. There are a ton of good developers playing osrs

[jovial sentinel]

so?

what people want, and what the devs would put out are pretty different things. they arnt just going to offer a paid service thats just, heres an open runecode, go nuts, because that leads to massive liabilities in players joining those hosted servers.

[ionic tartan]

So sliderscape is a cop out?

[jovial sentinel]

imagine them hosting private servers that effectively gave your computer viruses, which is realistic.

[ionic tartan]

Point is to capture those private server lost revenue with PZ

If it's sliderscape, it's not gonna capture that

[jovial sentinel]

but they'd likely be losing revenue on that due to people exploiting that fact. just allowing people to code freely and hosting the product is just a dumb move altogether

i agree. but 'just open it and let people code' isnt exactly realistic, and shows you know little about it

they could do that, but it wouldnt be a good idea as a whole

in an ideal world for sure

[fossil epoch]

so from the dossiers, i have gotten 6 contracts
3 pet contract (most common 1/5.333) and 3 of the Sigil bottom (1/33), and of course most of the dossier drops is teleports, but the contracts just seems like a bad design so far

[ionic tartan]

It doesn't require opening all code, it just shows how little you understand software

[jovial sentinel]

sure, then explain what you would want them to do, and why that would be no work at all

[ionic tartan]

Open it up for modding. Pretty simple concept requiring effort to allow code input of content

[jovial sentinel]

but just opening something up for modding, as i said, allows vulnerabilities if they host it themselves, which again, they would be liable for.

this is why you generally dont get official modding, only massively curated. and thats... rather expensive.

[ionic tartan]

That's the point. Don't let secrets like the username password out

What else will be a risk to the player?

[jovial sentinel]

but youre.. opening up people to run code on other people's computers.

it doesnt need to be about runescape info.

[ionic tartan]

That's why it needs to be an extension injection

[jovial sentinel]

im not familiar with runecode, but people found a way to code (completely in game with no additional tools) in pokemon red and blue original games.

and coded snake.

im not sure how extension injection helps in any way

[ionic tartan]

Don't give additional access rights randomly?

Make the code something on the server?

[jovial sentinel]

if access rights was all that matters, viruses would exist. and granted, viruses arnt anywhere near as prevalent lately, but that doesnt mean someone cant do malicious things with it

[ionic tartan]

It doesn't require a ton of exposure to allow modding of a private server

[jovial sentinel]

the difference between this and private servers is that private arnt that liable, if at all.

[ionic tartan]

It's a matter of doing security

[jovial sentinel]

jagex hosting these would make them 100% liable.

sure, and making something thats secure takes a lot of time, especially when you're giving the tools openly to people that can then do anything

'just do security' isnt it.

[ionic tartan]

You're assuming stuff like privilege escalation from private server

[jovial sentinel]

im assuming what, exactly?

[ionic tartan]

When it could be a molded server

[plush gull]

designing video game content just to not let people play it is bad design??? what??? 😮 no way!!!

[ionic tartan]

You're assuming it affects a player personal computer

[jovial sentinel]

i am, correct.

[ionic tartan]

A private server is remote

There's a lot of cybersecurity fundamental f-ups if in allowing modding a remote server, you somehow let the modder also access connecting pcs and privilege escalate to hack pcs

[plush gull]

zanaris isnt/wasnt going to allow self hosting, you are paying jagex to host a world with up to 2k players that u can say only ur allowed in

otherwise yeah cheating and modding would be possible no matter what they do

[jovial sentinel]

sure, there likely is. but isnt my point exactly that 'just let people code' one of those fundamental fuck ups?

that was my entire point.

yeah, them somehow getting access to pcs is pretty bad, but there a lot of indrect things you can do.

[ionic tartan]

But that's my point, let people code is not a fundamental fuck up, as there are layers after

[jovial sentinel]

sure, but thats only really covering you from direct malicious behavior

theres a lot you can do thats indirect, and its also ignoring content control

[ionic tartan]

It's why you don't get personal pc hacked visiting websites anymore

[jovial sentinel]

general windows defender is pretty good these days as well, even if its wrecking a lot of what we want to do

[ionic tartan]

You can still get phished or whatever but there's a lot of security to break through if you host something remote like a site, and manage to hack into privilege escalation

[jovial sentinel]

either way, there is a certain level of trust an official dev needs to keep, especially if someone is allowing their program to have a lot of access

[ionic tartan]

It's not a windows security/malware thing either

[jovial sentinel]

if you at all run things in an insecure way to their official servers, they are liable for any damage they cause

if the customer can prove it

[ionic tartan]

It's just browsers themselves are smarter about what to allow through

[jovial sentinel]

the assumption is that the user can run with safety off on your service, if they so desire

otherwise you are the cause of the problems.

[ionic tartan]

What damage? Worst they lose private server stuff if done correctly

[jovial sentinel]

im more talking about malicious scripts doing whatever.

even if its all serverside, people can, and will do weird shit

[ionic tartan]

Again, a hacked server does not mean a hacked personal pc

[jovial sentinel]

maybe its all completely secure, but i doubt many people (that arnt trying to fight their point to be correct) would say that theres zero chance that someone could do something malicious

who said anything about a hacked server?

or hacking

malicious isnt necessarily hacking something.

its pretty broad

[ionic tartan]

Hacking is simply doing everything to a server, including malicious stuff

[jovial sentinel]

just someone having some weird thing that then shows very undesirable content would be enough

well, the server would be run by the person running the code... so... not really hacking

unless modders are hackers now

[ionic tartan]

I'm pointing out a server with whatever you want is not the same as exposing personal pcs to malicious execution

[plush gull]

what are you two even talking about? self hosting and custom code was never part of zanaris

[jovial sentinel]

jagex full opening code to private servers, leading to undesirable things happening to users.

is the broad topic

full code was never a thing, yeah

[plush gull]

i thought discussing private servers wasnt allowed?

[ionic tartan]

Talking about sliderscape vs allowing runecode or some deeper form of modding on pz

[jovial sentinel]

private server = PZ

[plush gull]

what private server is jage. giving code to??

[jovial sentinel]

for this converstaion

[plush gull]

zanaris isnt private servers

[jovial sentinel]

please dont try and technically correct us

[plush gull]

its regular jagex worlds with a few buttons for xp modifiers

[fossil epoch]

The owners decide who can play on their servers, thats kinda private

Or well now they dont get to decide, cuz its not comming

[plush gull]

ok but wtf are they talking about?

[ionic tartan]

Darkness thinks extra modding powers of a remote server (pz) open players to potential malicious code in their personal pc

[jovial sentinel]

im not saying it does

im saying theres potential of it

i cant say for sure they would be 100% secure

[plush gull]

are you arguing against custom code which was never going to happen anyway??

[jovial sentinel]

im no expert for sure, especially on runecode, but tehres a bit

[jovial sentinel]

whats wrong with a theoredical conversation? there was no problem till you came in

[plush gull]

im just asking what ur point is

is that a yes to my question

[jovial sentinel]

does there need to be one? are you saying we dont have topic freedom on update related topics, even if vague?

my point to you is topic freedom.

[plush gull]

im just asking what ur point is

[ionic tartan]

It's not just runecode, it takes a different level of messing up to end up somehow running malicious code on personal pcs just by accessing a remote service hosted by Jagex

[jovial sentinel]

what point

to what?

[plush gull]

xosmo how about u whats ur point

[jovial sentinel]

and yeah, i dont disagree, but yeah, its mostly that i couldnt say its 100% secure, but yeah, im not really that good of a programmer either

[jovial sentinel]

are you trying to settle a dispute taht doesnt exist?

[plush gull]

stop pinging me

[jovial sentinel]

you didnt answer me

like, why are you trying to disrupt the conversation?

[ionic tartan]

That darkness's hypothetical about pz allowing more modding on a remote server hosted by Jagex will open vulnerabilities to personal computer is an extremely unrealistic threat

[jovial sentinel]

i mean, it was hypothetical to begin with that they'd even do something more xD

[plush gull]

i mean duh jagex already said custom scripts arent a thing

if they were i mean, runelite plugins would still be way more dangerous

[ionic tartan]

Even allowing more custom scripts on a pz server isn't dangerous to the user though

[plush gull]

not really

[ionic tartan]

Runelite plug-ins run on a personal computer

[fading galleon]

is the yama contracts update today?

[plush gull]

its the same as a jagex update to runescape basically

[ionic tartan]

PZ is a remote server hosted by Jagex

[plush gull]

presumanly without even a client update

its like yama giving u a virus

[jovial sentinel]

thinking, with custom scripts, you could always do something like... stealthily make the user open a webpage though

obviously the user has to click it, or open it and say yes, but its not that hard to make it look superm official

like, the game obviously isnt going to give you a virus, thats dumb

anything would be indrect af

[plush gull]

i mean ive had stuff on the login page open a browser

[jovial sentinel]

theres a button in game that opens the jagex site

[plush gull]

so the client might have some
ability to do thay

[jovial sentinel]

it could be that something is coded weirdly to make something that looks exactly like that

and then goes somewhere they have control over

in almost all cases that would be prevented by your computer, which is great, but my point is more that anything like that cant happen at all, ever

[plush gull]

idk theyre not allowing scripts anyway even if pz isnt cancelled, and to do what ur suggesting would require nearly full code access

also the stuff to open links might be client sided

so still impossible

[jovial sentinel]

the topic came up because they said that jagex should just open it up runecode for everyone

instead of sliders

[plush gull]

jagex should just make source code public and disband i agree

no sarcasm

bye jagex thanks it was nice

[jovial sentinel]

the funny thing is, that would likely be both better and worse for the game

things no longer being official, even if its the new official is a huge turnoff for a lot of people

[plush gull]

an hour and a half left until normal wednesday update time

[fossil epoch]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=13/yama-the-calm-before-the-contract-storm?oldschool=1

"Added Elite Clues to Lama's loot table at a rate of 1 in 66."

New Lama boss incomming

[eager falcon]

Added Elite Clues to Lama's loot table at a rate of 1 in 66.haha lama

[unreal shell]

Who the fuck is lama

[fossil epoch]

The following contracts will now be eligible to be completed as a duo: Familiar Acquisition, Shard Acquisition, Worm Acquisition, Catalyst Acquisition.

Surely thats gonna make some people happy

[knotty herald]

🦙

[delicate bough]

How long?

[fossil epoch]

0

[sacred oracle]

wait, contracts are coming friday? i thought they were coming with today's update

my confusion continues

[upbeat moss]

its always been friday

[fossil epoch]

contracts were scheduled for the 23th since release

[delicate bough]

Downtime lenght?

[upbeat moss]

people just got their hopes up that the delay to today would make contracts come out early for some reason

[quaint oar]

Should you prove successful on any of the following Contracts, then you'll be rewarded with the same Contract again as a drop: Familiar Acquisition, Bloodied Blows, Divine Severance, Forfeit Breath, Glyphic Attenuation, Sensory Clouding.

ngl, im glad they listened

[true talon]

Time to read what bandaid they put on this decapitation.

[shadow wave]

I see people posting to Reddit works, gf pkers

[fossil epoch]

"Doubled the drop rate of Contracts from demons in the Chasm of Fire, meaning you'll obtain twice as many per hour compared to before."

"Improved drop rate for Contracts from demons in the Chasm of Fire by around 40%."

confliction messages i guess

[plush gull]

they went the reward on completion route, thats like the worst solution proposed for awakeners orbs

[upbeat moss]

will you never be happy

[sacred oracle]

i never knew it was friday

i assumed it would simply be the next game update

[fossil epoch]

People have asked for this for orbs for the longst of time lol

[sacred oracle]

i don't think i understand why you would intentionally release new content on the last workday of a week

that's crazy

[true talon]

Thanks ironman oathplate service good job.....

[sacred oracle]

devs hate friday releases

[upbeat moss]

a little weird, but yeah, it was always the 23rd

[quaint oar]

tbh, we play runescape we werent happy to begin with

[unborn flame]

Anyone know how long the update will take or will be instant?

[plush gull]

thats my point, there are better solutions proposed like the blood torva kit working as an echo orb

rewarding on completion does nothing for challenge runs

[fossil epoch]

I actually think they did it to promote the content for the weekend

[true talon]

Bro the fucking changed nothing.........

Literally nothing

[sacred oracle]

i don't think you know what literally means

[true talon]

didnt even remove the inventory lock on yama phasing or fixed yama properly phasing at the correct hp %

[upbeat moss]

shouldnt be any downtime. they usually say if there will be

[fossil epoch]

"Better" rewards is subjective, because if you just make it totally free, then the orbs and the gp/hr from the bosses drop

Now you get punished on a failure, which seems totally fine

[ember token]

tbh youre the only person ive seen complain about it

[plush gull]

its not fine, if u push challenges far enough then its literally rng whether u win

like itemless sol is rng whether u survive grapples or not

[hasty shard]

im kinda hoping the one use scrolls are just clone fights of the other ones tbh

[fossil epoch]

The quick recap and the full text part of the blog just isent the same lol

[lusty patio]

Another entire week for an L update

[hasty shard]

cause it'll be cringe still if they are unique fights

[plush gull]

i wish they had told us they were gonna do awakeners orbs 2.0 before i bought a month sub

i want my refund :(

[fossil epoch]

2 different droprates for the demon contracts
and the full text has
"Oathplate Armour pieces can be broken down in the Ancient Forge inside the God Wars Dungeon for 50 Oathplate Shards."

[ember token]

the acquisition fights are all about the same

[true talon]

Oathplate Armour pieces can be broken down in the Ancient Forge inside the God Wars Dungeon for 50 Oathplate Shards
Im glad that after 9 duplicate items i can sacrfice 2b to create 1 item XD

[ember token]

whereas the sigil contracts are unique fights

[fossil epoch]

Its insane how you keep saying your membership is running out in a few days, and you will never return because of this or that, but you also seem to keep increasing your membership

Like nothing is stopping you from just not playing the game mate

Dont have to rebuy every tiem

[plush gull]

ive only bought membership 1 time in the past few years and i asked for it to be refunded, i said it runs out in a couple weeks today

u ping me so much about weird misobsevations about me its kinda creepy

[quaint oar]

jagex thanks you for the support

[upbeat moss]

oh hey good news for anyone looking to get double death charge

[ebon tendon]

Any word on making the phase transison consistent or does it stay clunky?

[true talon]

Oathplate Armour pieces can be broken down in the Ancient Forge inside the God Wars Dungeon for 50 Oathplate Shards
Can this be extended to the horn?

horn is so fking useless

[fathom forge]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[upbeat moss]

is the horn made of the same material as oathplate?
if not, then it makes no sense

[true talon]

0

[fossil epoch]

It really is so useless

[hasty shard]

the only mechanic they tweaked is yama wondering away p2 i believe

[ebon tendon]

It’s joever

[lusty patio]

Where did you read this second bit?

[lofty sinew]

in the blog

[hasty shard]

honestly yeah let soul horn break down into shards

[fossil epoch]

In the blog post

[lusty patio]

I’m blind as

[ivory sapphire]

my expectations were low for this week's changes but holy fk they somehow still dissapointed me xddd

[fossil epoch]

Its just in the "longer" part

[hasty shard]

only if to keep its value up

[true talon]

I dunno, but even as an iron this is kinda stingy, its 9 duplicate items to produce 1 unique........

[lusty patio]

50 shards is too cheap waddafuk

[sacred oracle]

i hope one of the scrolls is fight two yama at once

[upbeat moss]

de-iron

[ebon tendon]

Pity should have never been a thing for this boss the drop rates were fine

[lofty sinew]

[fossil epoch]

You arent meant to make money on it, its a dry protection

[true talon]

brother you are about as mature as your profile picture

[meager flame]

Lol that is a trash tier buff to the dossier

[lusty patio]

Yeah I agree, but as an iron I’ve got two platelegs and no other pieces and am big sad

[true talon]

They didnt remove the teleport scrolls

[meager flame]

Hey guys I know it was going to take you thousands of kc but hey look we knocked like 200 kc off of that for you

What a buff

Now go afk your demons

[faint void]

how long is game down for? yorta said it was 3 and a half hours?

[ember token]

4 hours actually

[quaint oar]

its actually EOS and no one told you

[plush gull]

i wish

[wispy current]

Wtf 4 hour maintenance again

[quaint oar]

4 year maintenance

[plush gull]

theres not actually downtime right? i just caffeinated myself for inferno lmao

[ember lion]

What a bad update. Surely clue scrolls should of been in this update considering they already have the code from other game modes..

[true talon]

Does yama only drop the oathplate shard contracts?

[ember token]

there is no oathplate shard contract

[sage latch]

yes there is

i have one in my bank

[meager flame]

Ya it exists

[ember token]

oh huh there is

weird

[cloud iron]

Solid that some contracts were changed to be duo, thank you Jagex. Respect for listening to us.

One request, is it possible to make the worm bait from Yama into the fastest possible passive method of fishing using that bait? So it has some type of value to it other than catching anglers a little faster? Seems like it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world considering there are much faster tick manip methods.

[ember token]

the value to it is catching anglers faster

if that doesnt matter to you, you could make an ironman

[meager flame]

Woah calm down there buddy skilling can not be improved

[cloud iron]

It's an ironman exclusive value

[frail bough]

Very pleased with the updates to contracts

[cloud iron]

Also, calm down lmao. You irons are so bitter. What exactly would be wrong with having it be more useful?

[meager flame]

Lmao it honestly should be more exp

[ember token]

i'm a main

[lofty frost]

How long is the update going to take? Halp

[cloud iron]

Ok so you're just being weird. got it 😂

[meager flame]

They just overbalance everything with skilling because they apply totally different standards to skilling rates than they do when updating literally anything else

[true talon]

Appearntly it was considered broken. however it is really good for going for the heron pet.

[meager flame]

Like

It's not like anyone is saying it should be 200k/hr afk

If it were 60k that's fine

[quaint oar]

can it be 200k an hour, i might actually 99 fishing

[cloud iron]

Right? Like just something nice to get for those that need to 99, it being this unique drop off a boss so irons can get anglers faster just seems so out of place on its own. IMO

[frail bough]

I will say I think contract of shard acquisition being repeatable might be a bit sketchy but i guess it depends on fight difficulty

[plush gull]

no downtime for updates generally

this game is actually completely doomed if pz is cancelled and devs thinks players shouldnt be allowed to do bosses for fun

rest in peace osrs

[lofty frost]

Ty!

[meager flame]

Its not repeatable unless I totally misread

[frail bough]

yeah i did, my bad

[wispy current]

It is if u succeed

[hasty shard]

75k fire runes 😭

[meager flame]

I just can't believe they're doubling down on people dropping 20k black demons for contracts

Lmao

[frail bough]

I think you haven't tried demons for contracts tbh

[hasty shard]

if the acquisition fights are all identical i think theyve fixed it tbh

if they arent, ziggy

[ember token]

tons of things you can do already to get to 99 fishing

[meager flame]

You should know I won't be killing demons for contracts ngl

[frail bough]

clan sees a contract every 5 minutes with people target farming and now its going to be 100% faster

[fossil epoch]

Demons for contracts even before update was still faster than Yama for contracts

[fossil epoch]

its going to be double as fast

[hasty shard]

you see drops more often with more people, shocker

[meager flame]

Its not about the speed it's just the fact that I'm killing black demons

[frail bough]

smh my brain dude

[meager flame]

There's no way lmao

Its crazy

[frail bough]

It's better than awakeners orbs 🤷‍♂️

[fossil epoch]

After 13 dossiers
i have
3 of the bottom contract and 0 of the other 4 contracts

[hasty shard]

it objectively isnt but ok

[ember token]

nooo jagex please dont make me kill the classic runescape creature The Black Demon

[hasty shard]

now it is maybe but

before, no lmao

[frail bough]

it was but okay yes

[meager flame]

Either way I'm trying to do enjoyable content

[frail bough]

killing things is fun

[faint void]

@yortayorta

[frail bough]

this is just slayer with no slayer xp :)))))

[faint void]

says theres 4 hour downtime

[hasty shard]

no it is slayer

[faint void]

@yortayorta

[hasty shard]

you cant do this off task

[meager flame]

You think I kill black demons on task

[hasty shard]

also worth noting

[meager flame]

Theyre not good enough for that either

Lmao

[hasty shard]

you need a task for this; contract rate does not matter

[median lance]

How long is update time?

[frail bough]

15 mins till update, then you can log in

[wispy current]

Thought there was downtime?

[median lance]

^

[frail bough]

there hasn't been downtime for any non-major updates in like 2 years

[ember token]

there's no downtime unless Jagex says so beforehand

[median lance]

Saweet

[true talon]

@winter hearth I know you here.
Any idea on why yama will not properly transition. ive eaten 1 to many meteors to a 29% yama who shoulda teleported me 5% ago.

[frail bough]

🤔

[ember token]

you've eaten too many meteors because you think you should become invincible once his hp hits a threshold

[frail bough]

^

[winter hearth]

Transition should occur at a fixed point once he's below threshold. Meaning if he's below threshold, next time he would attack - he'll transition phases instead. If you're bringing him below at the same time as him launching a special then it'll still go through

[wicked axle]

imagine not having monster hp % aswell

[meager flame]

Ngl it looks like wow boss spell queueing

[frail bough]

why are you even standing there 🤔

[true talon]

Hes never consistent. he phases at 66% and 33%

[meager flame]

And he definitely does more than one attack at times

[eager falcon]

hes consistantly inconsistant. what more do you want

[lofty sinew]

really wish we didnt get full locked during transmission teleport and could swap gear/prayers will being transferred

[wicked axle]

Just make it a habbit to always drag boss to the n ext glyph, and it will solve all ur problems

[true talon]

I want him to fucking teleport me at 33% soon as he hits it like every other phase boss in the game

[meager flame]

Otherwise he wouldn't be at 25% while we smack him through his dr

[eager falcon]

and i want a master clue with 2x 3a picks and a bloodhound

guess what. dont always get what we want

[frail bough]

I personally prefer that you can deep proc before enrage but 🤷‍♂️

[true talon]

you are stupid, so i will just ignore you. these examples are not the same.
one is entitlment, the other is wanting the game to properly function.

[ember token]

if you continued to play the fight instead of stopping whenever you hit a hp threshold then you wouldnt be dying

its not an issue with the boss

[frail bough]

also properly does not mean "the way that i want"

[true talon]

It was an example not something that happens all the time

[meager flame]

I mean tbf

Sometimes you do know what % you're at and race the orbs for example

[true talon]

You dont see verzik transitioning to tornados at 25% or 15%

[meager flame]

And Yama just stands there casting new stuff below his threshold instead of phasing

And they blow up

Its kinda shitty

[true talon]

Thats another example

[ember token]

yeah they should keep it that way to punish people making bad plays

[true talon]

thats not a bad play?

[ember token]

its greed

[true talon]

what? killing the flares over transition skipping is a dps loss

[winter hearth]

Have raised this before but think this is a necessary guard rail for 'safety' reasons, I don't think it's something the team are able to easily act on

[meager flame]

Its only a bad play when it's a bad play though otherwise it's a good play

[sage latch]

from what i've seen he does one attack after hitting the treshold and then phases

[true talon]

I assumed this is because you could potentially drop your gear and lose it.

[lofty sinew]

you can already drop it when fighting the judge tho

[plush gull]

why are people ok with paying thousands of pounds a month to be allowed to do bosses? is the other game that arcane plays even similar to this game??

[true talon]

If you allowed the boss to properly phase, then we could pre-switch/eat while he does his transition.

this would solve two problems

[meager flame]

Yo if we're actually looking for small little things wrong with the boss

There is a rock that mostly conceals flames on one side of the room

That will instantly kill you if you let them hit you

Right next to the flame glyph

That rock should be removed

[merry rampart]

Has anyone addressed how ironman contracts work for duo? Can a main bring an iron along?

or do both need contract

[lofty sinew]

only the contract owner gets the reward

[merry rampart]

ahhhhh iz

tyty

[ember token]

i honestly cant tell what you seriously believe in your head and what is just bait/trolling from you

[sudden bane]

i imagine a main can provide infinite pet contracts for an iron? not that its a huge deal

[plush gull]

not bait

[true talon]

only contract holder gets the reward, still allows boosting lol. just the iron has to use the key.

[plush gull]

genuine question this time

[meager flame]

I'm assuming you guys didn't intentionally camouflage some flame lines

So that would be a nice change lol

[plush gull]

i dont know anything about the game arcane plays but it doesnt sell bonds for real money right?

[ember token]

honestly theyre the same thing at this point

[plush gull]

every time i make a point that cant be refuted im suddenly malicious 🤔

[true talon]

@winter hearth im glad that oathplate dupes can be broken down into shards, but 50 feels extremely low. can this be extended to horns as well? at current it takes 9 duplicates to produce 1 unique.

Also what is horns intentional use, for irons we cant do anything with it solo. i thought it would work to maybe allow elder hits or something on corp.

Since it dont work with claws, it seems to just be a yama eldermaul alt item

[merry rampart]

zgs mommy muttadile

[true talon]

pretty good, except it dont work solo.

[upbeat moss]

seems like its not designed for solo use

[ember token]

believe it or not, you will get a lot more oathplate shards from yama on the way to getting 9 dupe oathplate pieces

[merry rampart]

no the team oriented spec weapon doesn't work well for solo

true

[winter hearth]

Use it in group scenarios, it's not like it was changed before release etc., it's admittedly niche but don't think that's inherently bad. There's also uses for it that aren't just boosting specs etc.

[true talon]

Alright and what do you think about the oathplate shard extension to horn to give it more value.

[winter hearth]

People cooking fun stuff with SRA or Dh or 'whacks' to finish kills off if they don't both have spec for Chally etc.

[wispy current]

someone ping me when oathplate set is 50m pls

[ember token]

you make points that arent worth refuting in the first place because they're nonsense like claiming you need to spend thousands of dollars to fight Yama

[merry rampart]

you can also horn through the olm door without entering (tell your scale running friends)

[winter hearth]

Could probably let people break the horn down, but the horn's not Oathplate so I'm not sure that it makes thematic sense

[meager flame]

Tbf we were told claws would actually work with horn

[plush gull]

you literally do need to spend thousands of dollars a month to attempt certain contracts or awakened orbs tho?

[hasty shard]

it can be either or tbh

[chrome lantern]

Instead of claws ceasing to work entirely? xd

[compact flicker]

Just give us an option to turn the horn into a hat, then it will have fashionscape use :^)

[hasty shard]

honestly i didnt realise horn would even buff the spec user until it came out

[ember token]

true, you also need to spend thousands of dollars to buy max gear and to train your skills to 99

[fossil epoch]

Would require 2 horns for that surely

[true talon]

This would be ideal, duplicate horns on iron has no value and current oathplate shard ammount from dupes is 9 dupes to 1 unique. youd have to be extremely unlucky to hit this.

[plush gull]

thats different from being allowed to be able to fight 1 boss

[true talon]

However i have seen people get 6 horns

[ember token]

no it isnt

[meager flame]

It feels kinda bad to see the claws rug pull with horn since that was going to be it's biggest use

[winter hearth]

This is valid, I don't think the team realised how wild it was until development. Moreso meant that we were clear it'd have no use if you only did solo stuff

[chrome lantern]

A dupe having no value on an iron is beyond fine

[upbeat moss]

dupes dont need a use

[chrome lantern]

Like does a dupe shadow need a use?

No

[compact flicker]

Yet another item to flip for bonds, that's k ye

[fossil epoch]

Dupes can just be traded for bonds or deaths coffer anyway

[true talon]

Ya dupes will go into the coffer

[frail bough]

with all those meteors you better be putting it in deaths coffer!

[plush gull]

ok so u think only people with thousands of dollars should be able to play bosses, how rich are u irl???

[winter hearth]

It's fine for some dupes to be bond fuel or death's coffer fuel, we literally chose the Iron game mode

[winged mantle]

ty for giving the option to break down dupes

[merry rampart]

this butterfly psycho is the best troll in the discord

[hasty shard]

i didnt get to vote on ironman poll i didnt choose this!!1

[knotty herald]

dupes go on a li'l table upstairs in a quiet town for the main

[frail bough]

where is this?

[chrome lantern]

While I have expressed my dislike for orbs and desire to remove them entirely, not a single person is paying irl money to use orbs

[compact flicker]

Only so many. I only put in a hydra claw back when it was around 70m. Haven't needed more items for the coffer ever since

[true talon]

How do you feel about barrier to entry on content you develop. i dont think its good design to bar players from interacting with what you design.

[plush gull]

because it literally costs thousands of dollars a month

[ember token]

only people with thousands of dollars can play the game actually, you have to spend thousands to get max gear and everyone knows the game only starts once you get max gear

[plush gull]

instead realistically just no one can play the bosses at all

[upbeat moss]

are we all on the same page about what "literally" means?

[meager flame]

I feel like the oathplate breakdown ratio is a little bad but at least it exists

[hasty shard]

khazard has spent like 2-3b on attempts

[plush gull]

yeah thats basically what u r saying, so im asking how rich u are cuz thats crazy to think

[hasty shard]

you dont need to spend irl for that with a khazard tier account

but its a massive chunk of gp nonetheless

[meager flame]

Like you could buff it by 100% and it would still be low

[chrome lantern]

It also costs thousands to train construction by building gold sinks via bonds, but that’s a disingenuous argument

[meager flame]

50 is a little wild lol

[ember token]

it's what YOU are saying actually

[plush gull]

no its literally what u r saying

[ember token]

if it costs thousands of dollars to do yama contracts, then it costs thousands of dollars to do anything else in the game

[vivid ruin]

Spending irl gp for cosmetics

[plush gull]

people want to do awakened bosses but cant without buying thousands of dollars of bonds, its literally impossible to just go get 10b to blow on orbs with any normal gameplay

[fossil epoch]

Your sarcasm didnt catch everyone it seems

[plush gull]

its not disingenuous

[wispy current]

you dont have to buy bonds to get gp wtf?

[frail bough]

stop plz my brain

[lofty sinew]

@winter hearth Can we have a seperate personal best for solo/duo yama? kinda sucks that when i do good solo times it is always overridden by the duo time

[plush gull]

ok so instead so u can do 3 hours of colo every time u want to do 1 hour of awakened vard

[ember token]

yama contracts arent any different from anything else you can buy with gold, its literally impossible to just go get 10b to buy full max gear with any normal gameplay

[plush gull]

is that fun?

[winter hearth]

Personally still think Contracts should be more common and that I'd like to see us remove teleports from dossier drops, but it's only a 'barrier' for Irons, and they are quick to obtain from Demons too. I'm conflicted because it's solely an Iron issue, and if we're Irons then we chose the grindy game mode, I kind of like the idea of target farming rather than 'I passively obtain absolutely all of the other stuff that I need while chasing the thing that I actually want', especially because the majority of players aren't Irons and 'barriers' still have benefits for them. Just need more uptake from the 1700 total Slayer gamers down in the Chasm

[vivid ruin]

Maybe just dont

[plush gull]

u can do yama with sub 50k gear tho, same with every other boss

[hasty shard]

the teleport scrolls are just kinda silly because its not even that much of a run to yama lol

[plush gull]

except awakaned bosses and contracts cuz ur not allowed to fight them in the first place

[hasty shard]

fairy rings parked right outside

[ember token]

you can just complete every contract first try which will give you another copy of that contract back, and then you dont have to spend 10b

[hasty shard]

it'd need to like put you next to him inside the instance to be worth the invent slot

[cursive vector]

May I ask whats the reasoning behind pet contract only boosting rate for one player? That really feels like a miss for me

[chrome lantern]

Why is “let 1700 total players kill more demons” a desirable option to begin with? I don’t think anyone really wants to be shelling out loads of money for the contracts at all on any tier of account, and it seems like extremely braindead content to be adding additional value to

[true talon]

God pls remove the teleports from the dossier lol. infact why do the teleports exist. they are not even a time save or worth the inventory slot.

[ember token]

i mean objectively they are a time save

worth the inventory slot, debatable

[hasty shard]

we need a fortune cookie item that lets you put food and teleport in the same slot

[true talon]

We were told there was no teleports

[hasty shard]

that or a right click option when you drop a scroll on the ground to teleport

[meager flame]

I'm ngl I kind of feel like the whole thing is a reach to give lower level players more gp and it makes the higher end content worse for the players who actually do it

[tacit pendant]

They are bait for people with 60 agility. A last bastion of cope

[winter hearth]

They'll keep coming down I think, and I still hope we improve rates further - especially with feedback from today's update. As for whether or not it's a desirable option, I think for the people doing it that it absolutely has been - OSRS isn't the best at 'trickle-down' but it does work well here I feel, but we still have time to keep making tweaks

[fading galleon]

the main issue with the boss is difficulty, its like vorkath level lol

[round inlet]

why am I melee'ing crawling hands with bowfa after the update? and I receive controlled melee exp

[plush gull]

u need 80m to even buy 1 contract and it doesnt give it back if u die

[hasty shard]

like juggling your items at a teleport spot is a silly bit of gameplay imo

[winter hearth]

Have raised this as a feedback point, I think for the time being it's largely just a tech problem - contract is used and that initiates the fight, there's not a clean way to use both up at once if both players have them

[tender harness]

So why was death charge unlock added as untradable, if it was never written in the blog as this way nor pulled this way?
Its just genuone curiosity is all. As what was written isnt what we got in that sense

[tacit pendant]

Ima lab out the wfh contract afk farm for sure

[plush gull]

why does jagex design bosses just not to let players try to fight them?

[hasty shard]

yeah i didn't get the impression of double dc being untradeable

[fossil epoch]

I think its nice that lower level players get to interact and make money of the new content.
Even as an iron, who arent getting any contracts from yama, cuz dossier bad

[chrome lantern]

I feel like there’s a significant difference between “trickle down” and “actively deter people from engaging with challenging and interesting content via an imposed consumable cost”

[queen oracle]

So donofly doesnt work now?

[winged mantle]

it still works

[hasty shard]

i don't mind it being untradeable, but it doesnt change that

[queen oracle]

Just had the boss drag to me 1t after spawning into p3

[plush gull]

it still works but kirby has new 3 tick method that explains how to do the boss normally with higher dps and no damage

[wispy current]

death charge being untradeable makes sense since its a perm upgrade

[chrome lantern]

And even if we look at ironmen alone, it should be a telling issue if you’re telling people they should go kill thousands of demons in the chasm

Just for a couple attempts

[lean eagle]

when staceble clue gonna be added ?

[upbeat moss]

interestingly enough, death charge upgrade is the only thing in that poll that doesnt specify tradeable or untradeable iirc

[winter hearth]

Totally my bad on this one, was never written to be tradeable either (which I think the others were) and I just totally missed it while writing/reviewing

[tacit pendant]

https://youtu.be/jG05xEhsnkY?si=WO_DUL46VVDweH4e

[tender harness]

No it doesnt theres other upgrades that are tradae

[plush gull]

where is the npc that I can talk to that lets me deironmain and also fight awakened bosses and contracts forever?

[true talon]

Why arent oathplate shards untradeable. this has a massive impact on oathplate and you double nerfed irons with last weeks change. makin them untradeable and making yama uniques break into fragments, would sink items out the game.

[hasty shard]

i think surge pots being explictly written as untradable mightve compounded it

[cursive vector]

I see, thanks for replying. Is using only 1 contract but awarding both players increased chance op in your opinion? Doesnt sound particularly game-breaking (esp since u should get another if u clear the fight)

[meager flame]

I feel like nobody stopped and asked if killing thousands of demons that do nothing was fun in the first place ngl

[ember token]

on the topic of teleport scrolls, seems like the plan for all bosses these days to have a teleport directly to them

[merry rampart]

good

[bronze kernel]

The death charge upgrade I say is less important

[hasty shard]

i do sorta agree tbh it feels like a nuts gp drop considering its like 1/16 lol

[tacit pendant]

Irons nerfed by not being able to trade, imagine

[wispy current]

it would eventually be worthless and just take up space/be annoying to roll like arcane/rigour scroll

[bronze kernel]

It's fine to be untradable

[lofty sinew]

Speaking of demons, did they actually change the colors of the stars that correspond to the method of killing the demon with this patch?

[slender hollow]

Blowpipe giving shared xp on rapid right now

[winter hearth]

Aiming to be equal parts dry protection and consistent GP/hr without relying on resource drops or alchables. Problem here imo is that Oathplate is still just too common for how good it is, don't shoot

[chrome lantern]

Death charge upgrade is like the most important thing at yama lol

[bronze kernel]

There are more important upgrades. Death charge is so much more niche

[round inlet]

@slender hollow same for bowfa

[vivid ruin]

Irons crying that they're forced to iron is the neverending meme that keeps on giving

[bronze kernel]

I was talking in general.

[meager flame]

The shards are tradable because we're reaching for a mining method for skillers

[hasty shard]

saying 'its fine' isn't a substitute for an actual argument lol

[sacred oracle]

irons complaining about having to do iron things is like 20% of the messages on the server

we can't take that away from them

[lean eagle]

when staceble clue gonna be added ?

[true talon]

I agree it is to common, as someone without a single piece in 280 kc. but i also agree the BLP is not common enough and yama's base loot is very unrewarding.

[meager flame]

Same logic for why demons are the best way for the specific types of contracts

[sacred oracle]

(the other 80% of messages are me complaining about irons)

[slender hollow]

Uh oh bowfa and bp giving shared xp

[wispy current]

oathplate isnt too rare the problem is oilers are buying up all the shards and flooding the market make them untradeable

[winter hearth]

Mining method would still be profitable even if shards were untradeable because there's still a demand. It's largely the soft dry protection/consistent GP/hr

[bronze kernel]

KEKW. Some 1 defense players in for a nasty surprise

[hasty shard]

it could be something like untradable shards but infernal plate is

[frail bough]

getting a buff along side boss with contracts is ABSOLUTELY epic, PLEASE consider doing this more in future

[hasty shard]

would encourage a lot more people to actually buy shale to offload their oathplate drops

[meager flame]

It would be incredibly less profitable though

[tender harness]

The base loot is a problem in general. Bosses either turn into muspah, or end up as DT2 and feel like a kick in the nuts for time spent just to roll uniques

[plush gull]

cant wait to see people gamble 80m tomorrow and lose it... ughh

[grizzled jolt]

shard drops good...

[vivid ruin]

Why i dont play immediately after updates l0l

[oblique mesa]

good gambling is bad 😎

[meager flame]

Most people won't get stay for that many shards

[true talon]

I do think the shards being untradeable would drastically reduce the ammount of oathplate entering the game.

[meager flame]

So they won't be buying shale

[hasty shard]

but mana haven't you heard, you can just say dt2 is 'fine' and the problem doesnt exist!

[plush gull]

it isss. why is jagex encouraging gambling with these weird awakeners orbs 2.0???

[acoustic sky]

Yama just went from being the best boss to the worst wth

enrage phase was so nice

now he moves around the room

smh

[plush gull]

wait seriously?

is that a bug?

[acoustic sky]

yes if ur meleeing

[grizzled jolt]

yea thats deffo a bug lol

[vivid ruin]

😂

[lofty sinew]

does he actually

[acoustic sky]

Ya

[true talon]

Lmao

[tender harness]

It just feels so weird to do a boss and walk out actively at a loss and only be propped up by onyx Bolt tips

[chrome lantern]

DT2 base loot being bad is extremely overstated as an issue, it’s not really bad at all

[strong saddle]

yama is moving in p3

[plush gull]

cool yamas broken just delete him

[fossil epoch]

Just wait for the new Movefly method, no problem

[plush gull]

roll back to varlamore pt 1 and delete awakeners orbs, osrs is cooked

[true talon]

Yama has evolved, to no longer allow you to donofly him. you will now need to take him on.

[acoustic sky]

time to go back into tob, ty jagex for ruining the best content in the game 😦

[fading galleon]

take out teleport tabs and that solves a lot with the drops

[true talon]

He will no longer sit there and let you beat up on him

[meager flame]

Well I guess that's a hot fix incoming

[tender harness]

This is trolling

[chrome lantern]

Not at all

[vivid ruin]

Yama has learned the ability to fly. Gf melee

[lofty sinew]

i hope him moving is a bug?

[hasty shard]

1/3 of levis drops being a loss is overstated, got it 👍

[meager flame]

I'm ngl though I'm at 700kc maybe like 250 to 300 solos

[wispy current]

people have to actually deal with mechanics now oh no

[strong saddle]

yea

[true talon]

New tech ice barrage him, so you can donofly

[vivid ruin]

"Fixed bugs with Yama" - this mornings update

[hasty shard]

whisperer is the only really 'fine' one and even then the drop table is ziggy

1050x monkfish

ziggy

[meager flame]

I've seen 4 uniques total for anyone in the instance with me

[tender harness]

Fine is putting it loosely

[meager flame]

I dont think those drops are too common

[grizzled jolt]

yamas white loot is compleatly fine, you get pseudo uniques (dossiers and shards) worth millions and the avg alchable drop is like 100k which isint horrible

[lofty sinew]

have you even done the fight

[chrome lantern]

I mean I’ve gotten full dt2 completion other than pets and I liked the basic loot

[wispy current]

you cant have bis drop from bosses and consistent gp

[meager flame]

The problem is tradable shards

[winged mantle]

nvm donofly nerfed

yama moves p3

[meager flame]

Crowdsourced bad luck protection is crazy

[fading galleon]

is that intended lol

[frail bough]

😂

[oblique mesa]

im using blowpipe and not getting shared exp, @slender hollow do you have a cosmetic on yours

[frail bough]

i'm also not

[plush gull]

holy shit i hope thats true and doesnt get fixed i can finally train my defence at colo without adding 5 mins to runs

[cloud iron]

Yama is bugged in p3, he now moves around and destroys the melee method

[tender harness]

Blud hasn't gone dry on yama and been propped up by only onyx Bolt tips

[cloud iron]

heads up

[winter hearth]

team's looking into the P3 issue

[slender hollow]

I have blazing bp yes

[frail bough]

guys yama is bugged in p3 and moves around!

[lofty sinew]

0 kc i see.

explains it

[meager flame]

Oh yeah my loot at nearly 600 before I had seen anyone get a unique was horrid

[round inlet]

this is after teleport, turning prayer on and off changes to ranged exp again (at least for bowfa)

[chrome lantern]

Imagine getting the bolt tip drop at all

[slender vapor]

Rip, wasn't a confirmed melee nerf afterall

[slender hollow]

Not getting range xp though

[wispy current]

we do a little trolling

[cloud iron]

Appreciate it thanks

[hasty shard]

pvm drops be like !!

[lofty sinew]

dont ragebait me ty

[grizzled jolt]

dude you get like 2.2 mil per shard drop and your supply usage is 5k worth of anglers and super res a kill

[winged mantle]

ty mod goat goblin

[fossil epoch]

Man would that have been fun to watch peoples reaction to

[slender vapor]

It would have been

[hasty shard]

idk they added a 400k gp fire rune drop now gl

[tender harness]

So, can yama base loot get a buff? Its genuinely despair.
Nothing screams excitement like wild pies. Or 1 dose pots. And to only be propped up by onyx Bolt tips. Being at a net loss on a boss is

[fading galleon]

wild pies are fine its longer trips

[meager flame]

Turn up maybe I can get my fire runes back

[tender harness]

You get shards?

[fading galleon]

the teleports are bad

[meager flame]

Lmao

[fossil epoch]

The higher the base loot value, the lower the uniques will be though

[grizzled jolt]

its a 1/16 man

[hasty shard]

id maybe just take the gems off yamas table

idk

[grizzled jolt]

literally can assume you get one every session

[hasty shard]

dragon legs consistently is fine

[true talon]

Lmfao reading these contracts. pls put them on CA's because there is gonna be a lot of dead hcim.

[hasty shard]

damnit im saying the fine thing now

[chrome lantern]

Of the many Tassili suggestions I do think making supply drops secondary loot in addition to the drops would be fine/good

[hasty shard]

wait are the contract mechanics on display now?

[frail bough]

yes!

[true talon]

yes

[grizzled jolt]

leak

[oblique mesa]

oh wtf started happening to me after I use a jewellry box teleport

[wide badger]

??? ranged weapons seem to be bugged. My bowfa had range of 1 until I switched attack styles back and forth

[hasty shard]

ic send screenies plz

[true talon]

Voidflares are lethal, if your stamina reaches 0 you die

[frail bough]

forfeit breath

I love that some of these give you a buff as well

[upbeat moss]

lets go

[frail bough]

need to lean in to this like 5000% more

[oblique mesa]

[hasty shard]

oh so you just prepot prayer regen and use mage

ez

[tender harness]

Holy ancient mace

[plush gull]

ur trolling :(

[meager flame]

so sgs heals

with purple runes

[round inlet]

new melee training method dropped

[slender hollow]

Nahh when u turn prayer on it resets

[plush gull]

i dont believe u

[slender hollow]

Sec

[compact flicker]

Uh oh pures in shambles

[plush gull]

attack xp??? wow

[true talon]

oh new melee training method

[fading galleon]

0

[true talon]

2 tick blowpipe

[plush gull]

lmao i wish the contracts were as funny but its just the cursed category of "this should be satire but tons of people dont even see a problem with it without being able to explain why"

[slender hollow]

Okay so after you turn on prayer it fixes the bug, i logged in and out and now its fine

[vague gazelle]

Bone crossbow max hit went down by 2 for after update

[chrome lantern]

🍝

[vivid ruin]

My character runs under the ground. Help gagec

[tacit pendant]

Well i was hoping claws fixed, but this is uh something too

[timid talon]

Has anyone done this one?

[chrome lantern]

Well you can’t yet

[frail bough]

doesnt come out till tomorow

[chrome lantern]

So no

[hasty shard]

rollback time 🥹

surely

[vivid ruin]

Help me gagec

[timid talon]

That looks like a fucking nightmare. Good luck to anyone doing all that shit >.<

[slender vapor]

Nah, no rollback and pures get to nuke their defense level

[tacit pendant]

Probably rollback if enough pures ruined

[true talon]

Panic buy inqusitor!

[compact flicker]

Could see this happen, but it's their call

[fossil epoch]

The thing is, rolebacks usually dont work on highscores right?

[chrome lantern]

Crush 🤮

[fossil epoch]

or is that only for hcim status

[tacit pendant]

So glad i actually did like a week ago

[plush gull]

yuckkk they are actually making contracts seem fun without letting anyone do them

i need project zanaris NOW

[upbeat moss]

lmfao

[frail bough]

yeah see this kind of stuff is sickkk

contracts for everything!

[tender harness]

Also dossier change is dumb
Teleports werent changed
And being told just kill greater demons seems so bad why isnt the boss the most efficient route for contracts

[frail bough]

as they say

sit

[meager flame]

im ngl

i look forward to their future changes to those

not a question in my mind

[sick sand]

Yama moves after the update on p3 when maging, he walks towards you randomly

[upbeat moss]

theyre aware

[sacred oracle]

orly

[tacit pendant]

Cant wait for zanaris, then any criticism can be dismissed with "go play private server"

[vivid ruin]

Thats a bug fix

[sacred oracle]

zanaris is dead, i thought

[hasty shard]

i cant wait for delve boss to come out and you have to do like mixology to get the 'do the actual fight' scrolls

[sacred oracle]

*i hoped

[tender harness]

[meager flame]

oh thats perfect

one aldarium per wave

[vagrant sparrow]

what happened to yama

[meager flame]

think of the herblore skilling method we would promote

[vagrant sparrow]

i heard something happaned

[true talon]

As it should

[minor whale]

Currently borked

He moves p3

[true talon]

he should do that anyways

down with bandos yama

[meager flame]

just imagine the wealth redistribution if we forced people to grind aldarium or buy it

[sacred oracle]

hahahahahahahahaha

[river moss]

He moved p3 without maging doing donofly

[meager flame]

to even access the delve

[vagrant sparrow]

well im afk shadow so it doesn't matter

XD

[meager flame]

clearly peak

[tender harness]

Good. Fuck donoflyers out with the old in with the new tech

[vagrant sparrow]

ya doesn't affect me

[meager flame]

i mean

this has to be a hard rollback

[upbeat moss]

genuine comedy

[vivid ruin]

Him moving p3 is a bug fix

[eternal scaffold]

was the fire rune drop rate adjusted?
the post reads: "Quantity of Fire runes dropped increased by 5x."
but i only got 40k from a solo

[sacred oracle]

oh my god the mad lad actually did it

[true talon]

nope previously he stood still and let you whack on him, now he moves this is better

[hasty shard]

mfw thursday release is more bugged than most wednesday releases

[meager flame]

i mean

[hasty shard]

i knew 75k was fucking insane

[meager flame]

theres no way they can roll with accounts being ruined right

lol

[tender harness]

Im waiting for altar door tech in a month

[sacred oracle]

bugs increase in direct proportion to proximity to weekend

[true talon]

@winter hearth keep the moving yama in p3 and remove the magic defense increase. make hybird yama great again.

[hasty shard]

its gonna be shit like ring of stone at judge just softlocks yama mechanics

[tacit pendant]

If its a small enough amount of accs, they can manual change shit

[upbeat moss]

bro loves pinging jmods lol

[slender vapor]

pures aren't people, it's fine

[vivid ruin]

Jagex has never cared before lol

[true talon]

Yea we can ping them on update day when its regarding the update

[tender harness]

Yes they can. This is literally the same group who also told us fuck off and farm greater demons

[hasty shard]

realistically you can still do yamaflys if he moves

[tired hornet]

anybody else randomly lost max hits with range?

[meager flame]

lmfao

[hasty shard]

we'd just need new methods now to account for drag

[shadow wave]

Goblin, I assume the team are aware that range max hits all seem to have been arbitrarily lowered by 2?

[true talon]

its his job as a community manager to gather feedback from the update. again showing that you are as mature as your profile picture.

[meager flame]

i think they have bigger range problems than that currently

[upbeat moss]

cry me a river

[meager flame]

considering some of these weapons seem to be giving exp in several skills

[hasty shard]

🔥 dont fix range changes

[meager flame]

lmfaooooo

[hasty shard]

balance update 🥹

[vivid ruin]

L0l

[hasty shard]

one of the best in years

[plush gull]

my bank is permanently locked to 200m bare minimum colo/inferno setup. how many contracts can i buy with 200m??

[hollow ridge]

bis melee training is chinning monkeys now

gg

[true talon]

Can i finally train agility with a venator bow

[tender harness]

Can't wait for mage to accidently be healing enemies

[upbeat moss]

whys your bank locked to 200m

[winter hearth]

Aware yeah, team's looking into it

[plush gull]

masori+blowpipe+venator

[vagrant sparrow]

jagex goated

[upbeat moss]

surely you can use that to make a bit more gp

[hasty shard]

update was delayed to thursday for a reason

[vagrant sparrow]

imagine if jagex made a moba

[plush gull]

yeah i already have 200m extra, how many contracts can i buy with it

[vagrant sparrow]

😮

like a 2d browser moba

[upbeat moss]

depends on the contract

[vagrant sparrow]

minigame mode

[minor whale]

Had to make sure there were no bugs!

[vagrant sparrow]

:OOOO

[minor whale]

(there's so many bugs)

[plush gull]

the ones that repeat if u win

including the crush one

can i afford 100 of every contract to at least play them a bit?

if i spend 200m

?

[slender hollow]

Turning prayer on and off has seemed to permanently fix the issue lol

[upbeat moss]

lol not even close

[warm epoch]

no lol

[wispy current]

one of the contracts is like 90m

[plush gull]

how many hours of colo do i have to grind to afford 100 of each contract so I can try the bosses???

[warm epoch]

just grind the contracts

[oblique mesa]

smh grinding is only for stinky ironmen

[upbeat moss]

you can farm the contracts by doing yama or target farming in the chasm of fire as well :D

[plush gull]

is that more gp/h than colo? cuz if not colo is faster contracts

[hasty shard]

you can farm torstol seeds from vyre sentinels too

doesnt mean its good

[upper lichen]

Who needs 100 of each contract to "try the bosses" though

[plush gull]

ok how about 20 of every contract besides oathplate acquisition

[upper lichen]

Spam some colo and buy one of each no?

[warm epoch]

http://prices.runescape.wiki/

[plush gull]

what if i lag and die at the start

[upbeat moss]

tough

[warm epoch]

have fun

[tender harness]

Just farm greater demons

[upbeat moss]

this is the person that thinks theyre "not allowed to play the game without spending thousands of dollars irl"

[plush gull]

do yall just hate yourself and not want ur video game to be fun im so flabbergasted about awakener orb 2.0

[tender harness]

Given the copied the worst part of poe

[upper lichen]

Aware

[tender harness]

Fuck contracts

[hasty shard]

can they stop copying path of exile

if i wanted poe mechanics id play that instead

[tender harness]

Please

Please stop being inspired by poe and copying the worse parts of it

[hasty shard]

hell isnt chasing other mmo's content what caused rs3s current state

i wasnt even thinking about EoC saying that but like

thats LITERALLY why 😭

[tender harness]

Poe isnt even an mmo but yes

[cursive vector]

Assuming 17m/h probably ballpark 10 hrs?

Sorry you said 100 not 10

Prob 100 hrs

[plush gull]

im like 9-10m an hour tops after subtracting ddarts

[cursive vector]

Ish

Ooof

[sacred oracle]

i feel like if you're complaining so much that even me (a marathon toptier complainer in this server) thinks that you complain too much, it's time to pause and reflect

[cursive vector]

200 hrs then?

[plush gull]

i feel like u should answer my question instead of telling me what to think

why are u ok with contracts if ur a "top tier complainer?

[cursive vector]

Whats with the pipe at colo tho?

[sick sand]

No, but you do by the sounds of it. Taking a break is okay

[plush gull]

its highest dps, comparable to sra with decent melee gear, and lets u venator with no switches

[slender vapor]

I've seen nothing but trolling from them since they showed up on the server

[upbeat moss]

hes got a point. you were saying that this game just causes you stress instead of being a fun hobby
#game-update message

[slender vapor]

[cursive vector]

0.o

[warm epoch]

nobody is obligated to answer your questions, especially if the wiki has easy answers

[frail bough]

Yeah the refusal to do wgs was enough for me

[winged mantle]

that ignore button do be nice discord qol

[cursive vector]

Surely that is not true

Manti/rangera are tanky af

[plush gull]

nah even vs mantis, sra needs quite a few pieces of melee gear to beat it, at least infernal cape+void

[cursive vector]

Ur bringing melee gear for sol anyway tho?

Im so confuses

[fossil epoch]

Ren has been so mad the whole day, nothng much to do.
Its the same few lines they repeat over and over

[tender harness]

You dont need inferno cape though huh

[meager flame]

i mean taking ideas from other places if they're good ideas is fine

[plush gull]

yeah i just bring sara sword+regular super combat

[sacred oracle]

PSA: We're aware of an issue where Ranged weapons are granting XP in the wrong combat style. We're investigating and will provide updates as soon as possible.
god i love update day

i wonder if any pures got ruined

[meager flame]

but yeah idk man cox didn't need to introduce a skilling method to be a great part of the game

[plush gull]

but also i cant afford a sra atm lmao

[cursive vector]

This is cursed af

[pearl tangle]

WOW! Surge potions are here to stay on pvp.

[tender harness]

You can literally fang 90% of colo

[meager flame]

we didn't need a farmable drop to do each inferno attempt for it to be some of the best content they ever made

maybe they should stop

[slender vapor]

pvpers are so lucky

[plush gull]

fang never beats max blowpipe

[slender vapor]

Surge pots and defense exp

[sacred oracle]

yeah, i'm actually surprised it wasn't at least mentioned as on their radar in today's blog

[tender harness]

This is wild that they dont swe a problem here

[sacred oracle]

maybe they're okay with it or maybe they just need more time to consider it

[meager flame]

nah

[brazen violet]

What atk style?

[meager flame]

if someone tells you that people can slam a 200 stack and you can die at 115hp through a perfect triple eat

thats all you need to know to remove it

[brazen violet]

If I get def I swear imma fk jagex up

[meager flame]

there is no consideration time required

[untold flower]

As a pure I'm currently terrified of my bowfa

[tender harness]

@winter hearth any plans for surge pots? They're kind of destructive to pvp and have shifted the multi lines over. Its to the point right now you just can't even tick eat what's being done

[jovial sentinel]

PSA: We're aware of an issue where Ranged weapons are granting XP in the wrong combat style. We're investigating and will provide updates as soon as possible.

it seemed like crossbows swapped to melee on patch

but went back to normal afterwards

[sacred oracle]

your bowfa craves your downfall

throw it down and run

[plush gull]

wait the wiki says why people are OK with awakeners orbs 2.0 and having to spend mils to try the fun new fights???? where? o.O

[jovial sentinel]

friend of mine took it off and back on and cant reproduce

[untold flower]

Have mercy the 4000 hours are too heavy

[winged mantle]

get beep booped

[oblique mesa]

blowpipe also goes back to normal after you spec spaghetti code lol

[true talon]

bowfa lost 3 max hits XD

[winter hearth]

They're being looked at yeah, we want to see if we can tweak rather than outright remove because they do have cool potential but think the current 'instant' spec might be a little too wild for rushing/Edge-style rather than making them a kinda interesting option for gaining/sustaining momentum or trying to win it back

Team's also looking into the Ranged max hits stuff

[plush gull]

bruh the one time i drink some caffeine for inferno they bug my blowpipe right after i start my run

😭

[slender hollow]

So you do believe me LOL

[plush gull]

i believe u now, though mostly about the 2 max hits

[chilly portal]

only if they used a def style before the update its using last melee style used

[plush gull]

honestly i wish it always gave def xp but i need to spec and pray

if so id take the -2 max for the def training