(BA)
#game-update
chrome lantern
hard axle
Raids 0.5 is better than ToA - VM
tacit pendant
Barb assault pretty good, needs a megarare though
chrome lantern
When are they making BA contracts to solo BA and earn the 5 pieces of the Penance Queen recolor kit
Farmable from high gambles
icy relic
I'd play solo BA if it had some goodies
chrome lantern
Surely BA needs an awakener orb /contracts system xd
icy relic
yeah I have no idea what jagex is going to end up doing with the contracts
I don't see how they're going to hit any of their objectives with this stuff
chrome lantern
It’s truly baffling because I keep thinking they’re out of bad ideas
My own fault
icy relic
yama's such a good fight too
obsidian venture
IMO it’s was kinda boring till donofly tbh
cursive vector
yeah I have no idea what jagex is going to end up doing with the contracts
its honestly kinda marvelous that theres literally nothing they could do at this point that wouldnt be fcked up regarding them
acctually unsolvable
if I was the jmod team I'd just bury my head in the sand and pretend contracts dont exist
keep em in economy, never release the fights/recolour
refuse to answer questions about them
and just wait it out
icy relic
honestly based, perma deathbank content
chrome lantern
“We encountered some issues in last-minute testing. Please hold!”
icy relic
for what purpose? nobody knows
meager flame
i mean
they were releasing contracts on friday right?
that seems kind of insane i see the logic they gave for it but lol
torpid delta
and just wait it out
they can chill in the same box they're keeping rare fossils in
meager flame
im pretty sure that just means the contract system or the fights aren't complete and they're finishing them this week
otherwise i have no idea
why they would say
hey heres 7 new fights and bye we're off for the weekend
hope its not broken
lol
you want to release something like that on a monday so you have an entire work week to actually fix things if it goes wrong
cursive vector
otherwise i have *no idea*
at this point even if the fights are flawless the entire system is royally fucked
their best course of action imo is deleting all contracts except the recolour ones, and makign those either 10x more common, or perma unlock
meager flame
i mean they're obviously going to buff the contract rates
im at almost 500 kc and i have like
6? contracts total
cursive vector
ye but the genuinely need to buff em by like 10x to make them reasonable
meager flame
genuinely the rates on contracts aren't even real
cursive vector
genuinely the rates on contracts aren't even real
acctually ridiculous
meager flame
idk why they did that but they clearly planned to just work out what rates should be after the fact
and put them at some absurd number in the meantime
chrome lantern
Also of note
The contracts/dossiers should definitely be a secondary/additional roll
Especially if made way more common
meager flame
im also pretty curious to see what they do about kill speed CAs
im personally guessing like 2:45 for gm time since that more or less would force people into doing some melee method relatively well
but not so sweaty you're actually really trying hard
mostly just curious though because the methods can get increasingly sweaty like
way beyond what most of their speed times would ask
cursive vector
im personally guessing like 2:45 for gm time since that more or less would force...
im personally hoping for 2:30 but idc really tbh
just wanna get zuk helm back asap and go back to more fun content
austere mulch
You can learn the learn the only room that there’s really anything to learn as far as getting completions go
And that’s verzik. Particularly p2 and p3
Inferno and Colo aren’t accessible for anyone
Dt2 bosses aren’t accessible for anyone that wants to do them because the quest requirement
ember token
children of the sun is way too strict a requirement for colo access
austere mulch
It’s fine to limit accessibility. Not everything needs to be easily accessible to everyone. It just needs to be reasonably accessible for anyone who wishes to be able to access
austere mulch
children of the sun is way too strict a requirement for colo access
Them death fees be clearing people out 🤣
sinful field
just do the quest
but what about my no-quests level 3 skiller hcuim?
small anvil
Didn't jagex say that contracts should be more common than orbs?
cursive vector
Didn't jagex say that contracts should be more common than orbs?
yeap they did
torpid delta
they say a lot of things
small anvil
The drop rates on wiki suggest that it's like worse for the oath recolors
cursive vector
(at least the oathplate-recolouring ones)
tbf tho they did sayabout ~20ish other things concerning Yama release they ended up being just false
so idk
small anvil
It's 5/33 from dossier to get any of the 5
And 1/20 ish to get dossier
So it's about 1/120 for a recolor contract?
And that's split by contribution
sinful field
theres also chasm teles in the dossier, wtf
small anvil
So you gotta say it's a 5 min solo kill
At least
Aprox
So that's 6 hours on rate at yama for a contract
For a recolor contract
Plus there's 5 diff ones so you could end up dry for specific one?
Like I know those ones can be dropped by the demon farming method
cursive vector
So that's 6 hours on rate at yama for a contract
moreso 10hours
small anvil
But that seems awfully low compared to like whisperer being 1/34
Oh I did it as 100 min hour oops 🙃
cursive vector
and thats for consistent 5 min kills without banking
small anvil
It's like 2 hours for an orb on avg? Or so
cursive vector
probcloser to 12h in reality
hard axle
If you can bank the dossier, I'd recommend holding onto them
because there's a non-zero chance they buff the item
small anvil
Ah
hard axle
and u don't want to rng opening it <100 kc since it doesn't guarantee the DC scroll
torpid delta
i can definitely see them removing the stupid shitty teleports from the dossier
small anvil
Remove the tele at least
But I was thinking about how the dossier is not actually showing up that much in chat and went to do the math
torpid delta
just a 50% chance of getting a kick in the ass after seeing a dossier is insane
small anvil
These are like way rather than orbs
hard axle
that's why it's even more likely to be skyhigh
hard axle
there's no fucking way oathplate is gauranteed on kill and its perma unlock
small anvil
Like significantly moreso unless they're perma unlock
hard axle
they need to redo most of the contracts
small anvil
I haven't looked into demon contract drop rate
hard axle
about 1/100 iirc
small anvil
That's so much faster than getting from yama on rate
cursive vector
yes, orbs were 4-5x what they currently are
no they werent lmao
cursive vector
orbs were CHEAPER than current oath-recolour contracts, depsite awakened bosses being available day 2
cursive vector
and people having no time to stack em
hard axle
not contracts
small anvil
The statement was orb vs orb
hard axle
cursive vector
also orbs were non-specific, and you needed em for 4 fights not 5
small anvil
Like
hard axle
but yes, point is they'll be high as shit
cursive vector
makes contracts look SO bad
hard axle
contracts will be high as shit*
small anvil
Rich people smh my head
I might invest in contracts but I feel like I might lose my shirt if jagex buffs their drop rate
Or if they're perma unlock despite what they said before
I just can't reconcile the drop rates I just mathed out vs what they were claiming in that contract blog
frail bough
normal demons 🤷♂️
small anvil
They said normal demons wouldn't be the faster method for getting contracts
Vs killing the boss
Unless it's 1/1200 from demons I feel like that's not true ....
frail bough
I don't think they said yama will be primary way to get contracts
true talon
Nothing goblin said made sense now. Unless he didn’t know about the unique reward contract lol
cursive vector
I just can't reconcile the drop rates I just mathed out vs what they were claimi...
other things I cant reconcile:
-said horn works on claws, ends up not working (and fucking claws up completely as a nice byproduct)
-'contracts dont give increased rates on uniques"- suuuure buddy
-'horn doesnt work for irons before they get the drop themselves' - aha...
-'contracts should be more common/cheap than orbs' - are you kidding me?
-'duos should be better than solos' - nope
true talon
He said it won’t improve your unique chance lol
small anvil
Not being increased chance was before they backpedaled on pet
It was supposed to just be additional loot
cursive vector
Unless it's 1/1200 from demons I feel like that's not true ....
100% not true no question
small anvil
Yeah...
But it's no longer a "chance"
Would be the logic
They just meant it's not buffed rates. It's normal loot plus the contract loot (I assume)
That's the least objectionable thing they said imo lol
Claws thing is super dumb
frail bough
I personally wouldn't be made about them making contract perma unlock and you can farm hard version for increased rate for specific item for that specific version of the fight.
hard axle
The only contract that remotely makes sense
is the pet rate increase one
5x pet drop rate for a 2m contract seems reasonable given that CG is a 2.5x pet increase for free
But I know some pet hunters do not like that
small anvil
But like I only just looked at the numbers and I'm just confused
cursive vector
5x pet drop rate for a 2m contract seems reasonable given that CG is a 2.5x pet ...
remember that solos are 2x slower than duos, so 5x would acctually be 2.5x, not 5x
hard axle
remember that solos are 2x slower than duos, so 5x would acctually be 2.5x, not ...
very true
awakeneds not being 8x pet rate is 
small anvil
And it's supposed to be a really hard
hard axle
to account for 3-4x hp
small anvil
Fight
hard axle
instead they're 1x drop rate 
small anvil
Considering they intended to make it a flex
cursive vector
But like I only just looked at the numbers and I'm just confused
it is genuinely baffling that they having said/done anything about it yet, and that barely anyone is talking about it
true talon
Pet shoulda remained a contract jagex got no balls backing down on that.
small anvil
I hadn't thought to check before, I'm not at the lvl I could chase those cosmetics
frail bough
idk i like when they experiment but something like pet felt very weird to experiment with
small anvil
But like .. do we see recolor contracts costing 20m?
frail bough
No cause you can get them from demons
true talon
Don’t forget it’s a attempt lmao lol
cursive vector
No cause you can get them from demons
you get them pretty slowly and very tediously from demons
true talon
5 dif boss contracts 1 attempt entry key each
small anvil
There's 5 contracts for the recolor
cursive vector
theres about 10, 5 of which are recolour relevant
frail bough
o yes
frail bough
idk, we dont even know difficulty of fight still so
could be 1/5k for a single contract but if its one and done idk how much it really matters
small anvil
The drop rate just is so wildly lower than it should be for the promises they made
Unless the fight is piss easy
The existing supply is gonna disappear on release day
cursive vector
if the fight is piss easy then whats the whole point tho
presumeably the fights should be challenging
small anvil
I'm too scared to take the leap on investing tho
hard axle
could be 1/5k for a single contract but if its one and done idk how much it real...
im assuming awakened levi/vard
cursive vector
I'm too scared to take the leap on investing tho
I feel that
frail bough
I'm too scared to take the leap on investing tho
I personally would never lol
small anvil
Jagex could rug pull me by patching
But like I'm convinced on the fundamentals
Or if it's perma unlock
frail bough
Can't wait till they increase oathplate DR again wednesday and make it worse than PNM while also not have gotten a single split 🙃
Personally love the fight though so it's w/e but feels so bad
cursive vector
fight is okay but where duo mechancis? 😦
meager flame
ngl i think
meager flame
there was 0 reason for this to be a duo boss
they just liked to call it duo but it could've been a solo or 6 man boss
theres really no reason its capped at 2
minor whale
Unfortunately the contracts for some stuff literally can't be too cheap else that'll just be the floor price + some time investment for whatever it gives
if the Oathplate contract takes 10 minutes to complete and costs 60m, the oathplate itself would be at most 75m lmao
meager flame
so all of that shit about being able to design it better knowing how many players it would have
amounted to absolutely nothing
minor whale
They've painted themselves into a corner
minor whale
The contracts to guarantee oathplate have to be either extremely extremely rare to the point they're basically going to only be bought and done by people who will guaranteed complete it every single time, or they're gonna make oath literally worthless as soon as they get figured out
meager flame
if they just used scaling and picked like 1-8 or something like that
it would let you play with whoever and function exactly the same
but now you either get a little bit of a solo slog
or a hard lock duo snooze boss
i guess they did show by example why people started using scaling group sizes in video games to begin with
it would be different if they had like
a very fun and unique idea and it turned out it only really worked in a duo so they released duo content
that would be very appropriate
but lol you can't just slap duo onto the most generic set of mechanics ever that work in any group size
and call that an improvement over scaling groups
small anvil
The contracts to guarantee oathplate have to be either extremely extremely rare ...
Current rates it's about 10% extra supply of oath pieces locked up in contracts
frail bough
but lol you can't just slap duo onto the most generic set of mechanics ever that...
You can IF solo feels awful in general, either with mechanics or speed. But that's not really the case :/
meager flame
im just saying theres no reason to ever do that
like
if you make a boss like that and say it doesn't scale and you cap the group size at 2
all you've done is make the game suck if you're solo and also break up groups of friends that would likely play together
and you've gained nothing in the process
hard axle
The contracts to guarantee oathplate have to be either extremely extremely rare ...
it's already fucked because of tradeable shards 
I did the math and up to 40% of oathplate legs and bodies are from shards
meager flame
thats why i was saying though if it was like
hard axle
prior to the nerf
meager flame
actually a unique design that only worked duo
it would make sense
but thats not what they made
frail bough
Yeah id still pref that for sure
hard axle
this is because the helm is worthless, so most shards will not be spent to make it outside of irons
meager flame
hopefully they actually sit down and think about it all though after this
and process why a boss might be solo, duo or a flexible group size and why people started to use scaling to begin with
because they misused it completely with yama lol
hard axle
it should be like maiden
the reason why u go as a team is because 1 person technically can't handle all of the mechanics
that's literally it
small anvil
Ya a lot of the supply is from shards
meager flame
ya like
small anvil
I forgot to look at lockbox shards when I did the math
meager flame
they need to design the boss and then if it turns out its like idk
small anvil
Plus there's a shard contract I hadn't considered
frail bough
the reason why u go as a team is because 1 person technically can't handle all o...
which could have been done if you just can't activate the glyph when targetted by boss tbh
meager flame
only working out well solo
then make it a solo boss thats fine
same with duo
if you design a boss that just doesn't work without 2 other people that's probably okay if you can figure out where you want to put it
make it a 3 man boss
hard axle
which could have been done if you just can't activate the glyph when targetted b...
as ur teammate is afk
meager flame
i kinda think they decided it was going to be duo before they made the boss
and thats backwards
maybe its just the osrs feedback process in general though
started out wanting duo and the design didn't quite end that way
but you can't really go back once you advertised it as such
meager flame
i mean they could easily change a couple of things and its more duo
like not being able to use glyphs for yourself
making the fireballs in p3 hit both players
so you have to get away from each other
etc
like it could have more depth
small anvil
I think it's funny the hourglass is kinda just too small
Much of the donofly is just running past the fireballs
meager flame
tbh i think they just struggle with trying to be what they're not
the reason its so hard for them to design content with like roles
is because osrs doesn't have those
its all organic and accidental when it happens
and like the only time they can really make it happen is by really forcing it
like yama could've had npcs you had to freeze and another mechanic that you had to veng at the same time and that would force two people playing different spellbooks
small anvil
Purple are already sbs venge
meager flame
but the only time you're gonna really accidentally get stuff like that to happen is in a raid imo
small anvil
And you could undead grasp on arc
meager flame
where you can make people do like 6 different boss fights back to back
and odds are optimizing that will result in people bringing different setups
yeah but i mean like at the same time across the room from each other
so a solo player couldn't possibly even try to do both
and then people would be really sad that solo players just cant play
i kinda think osrs just might not be the game for that stuff
chrome lantern
theres also chasm teles in the dossier, wtf
Yeah I’ve gotten them 3 times :(
I’m definitely not opening any more dossiers
meager flame
ya i thought about that too
chrome lantern
I already have the vile transference anyway
Wish I didn’t open the next 5 dossiers
chrome lantern
I’ve only got like 80kc yeah I only did it Friday and part of Sat so far
frail bough
Double oathplate 👀
tacit wharf
goood to know u can get double drops
frail bough
Suspected but very cool to confirm
true talon
i've opened 15 of them and lol
No clue why teleports are on there or even dropped from a 1/40 book
meager flame
idk why they even exist
true talon
My last few dossiers have been teleports my friend also got teleports on his first drop lol
meager flame
a fairy ring deletes the entire reason they exist
ya now that im actually online in 15 dossiers
i got 7 contracts 1 death charge scroll and 7 teleports
probably best to not even open them until they address whatever nonsense they have going on with contracts
chrome lantern
Ok I have found a boss I'm lucky at
chrome lantern
Correct
Missing scythe, torva legs, oath helm, buckler, masori chaps, 2/3 of anc, both claws
small anvil
You can basically skip t legs until like one more max hit happens then
chrome lantern
And pnm but that's pnm
vivid ruin
Before and after
Torva helm really doesnt look bad with this set. People were crying the saltiest of tears about it
meager flame
yes it does lol
vivid ruin
yes it does lol
Considering how mismatching sets usually looks, no. It doesnt
tacit wharf
"stares at masori + arma"
true talon
Plugin transmog ftw
meager flame
"stares at masori + arma"
i actually kinda think this is okay in the context that you're not supposed to wear that
it just happens when you dont have enough money/didn't get the drop for the ideal outfit
i only really have a problem with it when it looks bad and its the ideal setup
vivid ruin
You're.... technically not "supposed" to mix and match any gear.........
hard axle
Torva helm really doesnt look bad with this set. People were crying the saltiest...
uhhhhh
UHHHH
It looks awful
full set or otherwise
hard axle
looks like trash to me ngl
they've cared in the past about full sets not matching or looking terrible tbh
masori
chrome lantern
Not a fan of either Torva variant
vivid ruin
full set or otherwise
The set itself is fine, if theyd just deflate the phat legs
pliant haven
This has got to be the ugliest armor introduced into the game. Looks like rs3 slop
lusty patio
I think it looks great 😬
pliant haven
Your opinion is wrong
vivid ruin
"Your opinion is wrong" 
meager flame
idk i just think its so obviously divisive that they should probably look to change it
it would be fine if it were like 10 people that thought the ideal setup looked dumb but lol
vivid ruin
Im not against changing it, but i dont agree that it needs to match any other set
meager flame
they can definitely do better than this
vivid ruin
Justiciar is the nicest set in game yet no one cares that its sort of useless
meager flame
i mean i actually think they should just redesign it so its actually used
its a whole set in a raid lol thats kind of an insane place to just waste a ton of the unique table
like on my iron it was really weird to get the typical first purple avernic
and know that the whole raid is dead to me now outside of the scythe
true talon
i mean i actually think they should just redesign it so its actually used
rework into stab armor 😛
vivid ruin
rework into stab armor 😛
I would love
austere mulch
Phoenix necklace procs clear the Soulflame horn FYI - for any of the devs that need to see this
sacred oracle
you really think devs are reading #old-school for feedback
and scrolling through 538295823905 offtopic messages to get it
file a bug report
austere mulch
file a bug report
- Already did
- Extra visibility is always good. Mods do read this channel and the content related threads from time to time
sacred oracle
Nah it's just spam
File bug report and that's it
The jmods who read this channel are not the ones that deal with bugs
As evidenced by the fact that they keep telling you to file a bug report if you mentioned a bug
zenith pike
Phoenix necklace procs clear the Soulflame horn FYI - for any of the devs that n...
They, what
obsidian venture
The jmods who read this channel are not the ones that deal with bugs
They have still passed on info to the team
As per earlier interactions
Just check here on Wednesday morning
austere mulch
The jmods who read this channel are not the ones that deal with bugs
the jmods that read this channel also pass the information along when appropriate
obsidian venture
I pinged and saw the channel we are in 🤣
hard axle
The jmods who read this channel are not the ones that deal with bugs
when it comes to new updates, yeah they do look here 
zenith pike
https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/433756990989402112/1372329344873...
So you can’t pop horn prior maze skip?
jagged marsh
austere mulch
So you can’t pop horn prior maze skip?
Yeah, so you either need to delay hammer or horn + eat + equip rancor + click sote in same tick on maze exit
Not the end of the world but very annoying to do
zenith pike
Yeah, so you either need to delay hammer or horn + eat + equip rancor + click so...
I can tell
Please fix
austere mulch
Fixing is rolling the dice that pnecks get broken too 😭😭
zenith pike
Fixing is rolling the dice that pnecks get broken too 😭😭
That’s true and real and 90% factual
chrome lantern
Yeah, so you either need to delay hammer or horn + eat + equip rancor + click so...
Doesn’t the horn effect only last 6 ticks or something
sacred skiff
10 ticks, 6 seconds I think
austere mulch
Doesn’t the horn effect only last 6 ticks or something
Yeah but it’s cleared completely when pneck procs. Few folks tested it on mole while brewed down
chrome lantern
Ic
austere mulch
Kinda like whisperer where it used to clear sanity
true talon
5 attempts at a contract 3/5 teleport scrolls XD
Good boss, very genious loot. havnt had such a fun time since dt2 bosses. nothing better than reciving wild pies and pizza.
winged mantle
Why do dossiers even give tele scrolls in the first place?
true talon
Dunno someones sick joke
winged mantle
Feels like they should only give contracts
true talon
why does forgotten lock boxes have 2 d dart rolls
chrome lantern
Yes
winged mantle
Yes
hard axle
why does forgotten lock boxes have 2 d dart rolls
damn if they do d darts
damn if they dont d darts
save your dossiers btw
a non-zero chance they do buff the amount of contracts that come out of it
meager flame
all im saying
they are never beating the nightmare allegations
lmao
even though its mostly bs its uncanny how it keeps happening
hard axle
they are *never* beating the nightmare allegations
i dont think they've repeated it since
niche gear that takes a bajillion hours? nope
bis that takes a long time? yep
also, at the same time, the number of items in the X hours matters a lot
200 hours for 8 uniques?
that's not awful
it depends on how u look at it
true talon
Why do they design end game content to have rewards worst than mid game bosses.
hard axle
Why do they design end game content to have rewards worst than mid game bosses.
you say this as if they haven't disregarded balance repeatedly to pad the midgame with endgame alternatives
recently
winged mantle
true talon
I opened 3 that had teleports. kinda troll lol. atleast i got death charge out of the first one.
Boss still ass
Like what i gonna do with 1400 demonic talo that cant be emptied from the barrel into the bank??
hard axle
The moment i got teleports I'm like what
at least make the contract bring u to the lowest level 
like it's currently a glorified fairy ring tp
im not wasting an inventory space on that
not when i can potentailly get 1+ more kill on a 13 kill trip
winged mantle
Literally
hard axle
and if it's upstairs, then it shouldn't be so few per roll
if it's downstairs, i can see why few makes sense
white narwhal
I’ve killed 0 yama , gunna buy all the rewards. Looks like tomorrow will answer alll questions
winged mantle
https://i.imgur.com/fH0dtet.png
Nvm there is 6
hard axle
Nvm there is 6
white narwhal
What exactly is it ppl want out of bosses , obv duo us not it
meager flame
niche gear that takes a bajillion hours? nope
look at the rates on contracts
lol they cant stop themselves
hard axle
look at the rates on contracts
I'm hoping its just a mistake or we find out that contracts dont vanish on death, only on completion
that would also solve the issue
we might just be lacking critical information
slender vapor
I'm thinking it might be an oversight issue
Apparently smacking Yama with melee instead of mage was enough to kill the boss 30% faster than they anticipated
So I wonder what else they goofed on
hard axle
I'm thinking it might be an oversight issue
that said, I don't think killing 1000 black demons and killing 1 enraged yama should be the meta for farming oathplate 
if contracts only vanish on completion, not death
slender vapor
Killing demons should've been supplemental
Not the main way to grind them
It's a fucking joke
I'm sorry if Timmy can't make 60m on his slayer task
People killing Yama should be pulling in contracts way more than Timmy playing match the colors with attack styles on their slayer task
hasty shard
im not wasting an inventory space on that
we need like a fortune cookie item that holds food + tele in one spot
hasty shard
before i went to sleep my brain thought of this
'jagex struggles to make beans on toast because they forget bread exists'
minor whale
If they want the contracts to not be even shittier awakened orbs they gotta drop so so so much more commonly lmao
100 kc, 2 lock boxes and 3 dossiers and all I've pulled is vile transference and 2x tele scroll drops
Expected rate at Yama for getting a specific contract is like 1/2700 or some shit
For the rarer ones
minor whale
Make it a skill based drop if they have to
Yama is impressed by your resolve after defeating him 5x without leaving, he offers you a contract to spicen up the fight
hasty shard
he apparently finds perfect kills boring lol
winged mantle
Expected rate at Yama for getting a specific contract is like 1/2700 or some shi...
"A dossier from yama is 1/40 duo or 1/20 solo. Each oathplate kit contracts are dossier x 33 (1/1320 duo kc)."
slender vapor
Good thing you will have more than the full set in drops AND in shards before you get one of those contracts on rate
tacit pendant
Imagine going 2x dry at 2,500 kc to get radiant contract #3 only to biff it and die in 25 seconds
winged mantle
Dw they are checks notes - better than awakeners orbs
slender vapor
Yama would've been better if they just made a hardmode version that drops oathplate that you can opt in to farming as much as you wanted, and let normal yama just drop shards
If you can't kill the awakened version, you can still earn oathplate, but if you want the drops you gotta do hardmode
hard axle
<:erm:1272329220340715615> I'm hoping its just a mistake or we find out that con...
@minor whale this would result in a much better learning experience imo
nocturne solstice
Is that a replacement for the contract system?
slender vapor
The contract system is kinda dog
They could've just made a harder fight you can farm and have the contracts boost loot from the hardmode fight
They tried too hard to make this boss profitable for timmies when it was supposed to be aimed at actual endgame players
nocturne solstice
Oh, I asked that because I thought you wanted to replace the contracts with your "Made a hardmode version that drops oathplate" but now I dunno what you mean since you just said make the normal fight harder and have contracts to make it even harder.
slender vapor
You don't need the contract system at all
They gatekept a much harder fight behind the contracts
Yama as a whole would be better without the contract system at all
With just 2 separate fights you can grind
nocturne solstice
I think its a bit early to say that when we cant use contracts yet. We dont know how hard the contracts make the fight.
slender vapor
They clearly locked harder mechanics, behind a consumable paywall
nocturne solstice
Im kinda expecting it to be locking mechanics behind contracts but if its just stat boosts then I'll agree with you right now that its pretty lame needing contracts.
slender vapor
Locking mechanics behind contracts is shit, when they could've just had a harder fight that people could grind without contracts
Make contracts just bonus loot for hardmode runs
nocturne solstice
I dont really agree with that but I think it's just a difference of opinion and that's fine
I dont think we normally get "hardmode" bosses just raids. So if they did make some future bosses have a free hardmode for HLC gamers without the use of orbs or contracts that would be nice too.
slender vapor
They already made a normal boss with 'hardmode' on it
They have done it 5 times now
nocturne solstice
Im counting DT2 bosses as one piece of content 👀
slender vapor
The only caveat is that it's locked behind a needlessly restrictive way to impliment it
nocturne solstice
the other one I could rememberis PNM and regular nightmare
nocturne solstice
Yeah it was just an example of a hardmode with a boss
DT2 are another example of bosses with a hardmode
Most bosses don't have hardmodes at all
nocturne solstice
That its the norm for bosses not to have hardmodes. hardmodes are clearly something new they're trying and restricting it behind GP paywall. I think they're just experimenting and it would be good if they made some future bosses with hardmode that just didnt have the paywall or were just hard as a baseline with no hardmode needed.
slender vapor
And my exact critique, is that restricting it with a gp paywall is stupid and absurd
The feedback from dt2 orbs was miserable
And they've already successfully implimented a hardmode boss before
nocturne solstice
What was the before?
white narwhal
This boss has turnt from being called an endgame bosss to a mid game boss to a stepping stone to learning pvm. If the contracts would propoate individual leaning every thing could be solved
nocturne solstice
I dont think I've heard anyone call it mid game or stepping stone to learning pvm. Most people I've seen agree its not endgame but still kinda lategame.
slender vapor
It's not lategame
white narwhal
People want to least.
nocturne solstice
I think it's a lot of mechanics to call it midgame
white narwhal
Learn
slender vapor
An iron can go Barrows-> moons -> tds-> yama now
And have bis armor in 200-300 hours
white narwhal
This boss pushes learning
nocturne solstice
An iron can go Barrows-> moons -> tds-> yama now
I dont think gear progression means anything if we're talking about content difficulty. I think it's an odd metric to go by.
nocturne solstice
I don't think I said it was hard. I just said it has a lot of mechanics to call it a midgame.
slender vapor
CG is a midgame boss with harder mechanics
white narwhal
It literally fits the mid game gap
nocturne solstice
It literally fits the mid game gap
What gap? Between where and where?
slender vapor
It's below raids level difficulty, it's below CG level difficulty
slender vapor
You can also do the boss with just 2 synapses
white narwhal
Nvr
slender vapor
Which are squarely a midgame drop
white narwhal
U might go to nex maybe
nocturne solstice
CG is a midgame boss with harder mechanics
I dont think thats true, yama needs a lot more prayer switching, a lot more movement, and gear requirements.
CG is kinda like a harder TDS or Demonic gorilla
slender vapor
Lmfao?
nocturne solstice
Bandos torva
Do you consider torva midgame?
white narwhal
Do you consider torva midgame?
No to a bis upgrade it
Restructured
There about to change drop rates yea?
brazen sigil
I mean it's not like small team nex is that challenging but it is much rarer drops and has more gear recs
nocturne solstice
I mean CG is just hit X times change weapon. Pray X times change pray. It's all routine when Yama is every attack you have to switch and managing several danger tiles at the same time.
CG has a lot of downtime between specials like floors or nadoes
nocturne solstice
There about to change drop rates yea?
I only heard about the 30% rarer one which already happened
brazen sigil
I'd say CG is more challenging than basic yama methods for sure
slender vapor
Duo yama is also brain off content
white narwhal
Oathplate is meant to rep,ace the basic currently they want every one to have it
nocturne solstice
whats the "basic" it's replacing? do you mean bandos?
white narwhal
No
nocturne solstice
Im not sure what you mean since you call it midgame, then it replaces torva which isnt midgame, so doesnt that make oathplate not midgame gap filler?
white narwhal
You have options but it all is funneled into oathplate
slender vapor
Oathplate is a midgame acquirable filler that replaces the current endgame bis
nocturne solstice
It feels like I'm just hearing a lot of buzzwords 
nocturne solstice
Oathplate is a midgame acquirable filler that replaces the current endgame bis
That makes sense though
white narwhal
Cant wait till delve boss makes everyone mad lol
At the least we can be past this duo stuff
slender vapor
The entire issue with yama is, now that it's been labbed out, nothing about yama but the p3 superfly tech is actually that hard
chrome lantern
I mean it already has
slender vapor
Midgame irons with 2 synapses can comfortably grind the new bis melee armor before they're at 93 slayer for their occult ammy
It doesn't need brews
It's a fast grind
The content is relatively easy
white narwhal
Rs3 devs at work
chrome lantern
tbf most people at that level of progression are not doing enrage melee
slender vapor
The gear req is low
nocturne solstice
You're not wrong but I don't think the skill lvl requirements are the problem no? Mainly the difficulty.
slender vapor
The problem is that oathplate should've only dropped from hardmode yama
And that hardmode yama should've been freely grindable
nocturne solstice
Would Yama be better if there was a 92 slayer req tacked on?
slender vapor
You're not even pretending to have a conversation at this point
nocturne solstice
Well you just said that you had an issue with getting yama gear before 93 slayer for occult meaning thats a problem
slender vapor
You clearly don't understand a thing i'm saying, either willfully or otherwise
nocturne solstice
So im asking if adding a requirement would fix that problem
white narwhal
Bro look at the mobile section irons can’t get enough soul runes to do Yama
nocturne solstice
What I'm hearing is that Yama is too accessible, so we're talking about ways to make it more inaccessible. So far you've mentioned stat requirements and difficulty.
slender vapor
As mentioned before, the boss is too easy to access, and grind, with drop rates that are too generous for best in slot armor.
The entire way to fix that barrier to entry and ease of grinding, is putting oathplate drops behind the hardmode version, and not locking the hardmode version behind rng paywall
nocturne solstice
white narwhal
Crazy none of this actually helps ppl to get into pvm
Contracts flops because y’all want solo rewards not learning
chrome lantern
Throwback to when Jagex decided to throw 5 billion fangs into the market by ToA's... interesting... drop balance
And rings ofc
And everything else
hasty shard
didnt they also not sink them for ages
slender vapor
I still don't think they really sink them
white narwhal
Literal misunderstanding of progress
slender vapor
Instead of a hardmode people want to grow into and challenge themselves to grind for oathplate
We have normal yama that's learnable and doable pretty quickly, with a hardmode no one will pay to do
white narwhal
Disagree but sure
Ultimately if they want to actually do good for everyone they make a solo variant base lvl like the duo maybe no base reward except unique chance like ppl want
slender vapor
How would that solve anything?
white narwhal
It doesn’t cut off part of the payer base to start
Whoever complained for duo end game boss is to blame in my opinion should have known what to expect
slender vapor
The issue isn't that people wanted a duo endgame boss, the issue is it's too easy to power farm, shards are tradeable and that contracts are too restrictive for whats supposed to be the hardmode version
white narwhal
This bosss was advertised as duo, a shame as such ppl got mad not every option is duo.same as ppl got mad solo was even an option
plush gull
i still cant even get to p3 after days of practice :( am i too bad for this boss
sacred oracle
have you tried watching many videos of the boss?
i can stream some barely competent mage only kc
if that will help, though i would assume there has to be videos by now
plush gull
i watched gnomonkeys ones
fossil epoch
Its a joke post, they arent bringing food "as a learner"
plush gull
Its a joke post, they arent bringing food "as a learner"
i dont have 73 agility
fossil epoch
oh shit i didnt know you needed 73 agility to eat food
sacred oracle
gotta catch it bozo
fossil epoch
plush gull
oh shit i didnt know you needed 73 agility to eat food
have u tried learning this boss with no dramen staff and no 73 agility? u really expect me to spend 5 minutes banking every time i die when i cant even get past p1?
also what do i even bring
brews are annoying cuz then u cant cast
plush gull
its not a joke...
fossil epoch
17(68 doses) prayer pots is not a joke for someone who "cant" get a single kill?
vernal valve
its not a joke...
Nice try. A real learner wouldn't be on a High Risk world.
plush gull
17(68 doses) prayer pots is not a joke for someone who "cant" get a single kill?
correct... this lets me stay here forever to practice
vernal valve
High Risk is too scary.
plush gull
why no food?
idk what food to bring and i genuinely cba banking at shayzien and running out of run energy on the way down
the worst part is no tele out, thats why i brought myth cape instead of fire cape for melee practice cuz i kept running out of home/minigame tele
though with this setup i have book of the dead
sacred oracle
what's the agility requirement for?
plush gull
73 agility is for the lower tier shortcut
sacred oracle
oh, i see
well you can prepot a stam for running and also there's a chasm tp if you don't want to bother with the fairy ring
plush gull
the bank is farther than the fairy ring so juggling dramen staff is also annoying without lumby elite
sacred oracle
i would highly recommend bringing food so you can make mistakes without having to reset
the longer you are at the boss, the more you can learn
plush gull
well you can prepot a stam for running and also there's a chasm tp if you don't ...
oh shit i didnt know that was tradeable thank you
its still -1 slot tho which feels kinda counterintuitive to bringing food
sacred oracle
-1 slot is better than having no food at all
plush gull
i guess ill try it
can u eat anglers during the fight to overheal or is that only out of combat
plush gull
ok ill buy some to camp 121 hp with mostly moonlight antelopes
sacred oracle
if you want to see how to avoid the damage, i can stream a couple kills
plush gull
those teleport scrolls are 15k lmao
plush gull
if you want to see how to avoid the damage, i can stream a couple kills
i think i know how i was just a tick early and then stopped clicking on 2nd fireball in my clip
but i havent seen p3 yet
gonna try with this setup
sacred oracle
what's the ham joint for?
plush gull
its for the judge and red clicking yama to avoid fireball
wow the teleport scroll takes u inside the chasm
the food doesnt seem to be much difference
idk how to remember which special is after flares so i just camp the middle in p1 which doesnt work for p2
it seems like flares dont change which special is next, fireball was the last special in that case so it went fireball, flares, and then shadow
fossil epoch
flares do indeed not change specials
and flares can spawn on both sides of the cycle(as in either during red or purple basic attacks)
plush gull
and flares can spawn on both sides of the cycle(as in either during red or purpl...
theres a basic attack cycle?
fossil epoch
when it does a purple special, then it will keep doing purple basic attacks(pray ranged) until next special
Purple fire walls, or red fire trails and flares can spawn during either cycle.
So sometimes they line up and sometimes they dont
As in if you get purple fire walls, while youre about the get a purple special, you can just negate both in 1 glyph, but sometimes you get a purple special with red fire trails, and you cant
of course you can just manually dodge the fire wall/trail
fiery epoch
How to know what to pray on p3 yama?
fossil epoch
There is a visual on your character, if its purple aura you pray ranged, and if its red you pray mage
fiery epoch
Ty
fossil epoch
he changes every attack, so he does mage/ranged/mage/ranged
but he will put in different attacks throughout his attack cycle, that can trip your prayer switching up
plush gull
when it does a purple special, then it will keep doing purple basic attacks(pray...
thats interesting i never noticed a pattern for p1/p2 basic attacks
i dont have enough money to buy better food 💀
bruh only 125 even bought for 4k i should make another reddit post about how snowy knights are such a great moneymaker so i can buy some without catching them myself 😭
oh wait they are 125 buy limit
wtf jagex???
well can just leave offers in its not that low of a limit i guess
fossil epoch
Wonder if we already will be getting CA's tomorrow.
They have been quite fast at releasing them lately, but that has also been for what Huey, Amox and Titans
sacred oracle
the food doesnt seem to be much difference
if you keep your prayers on instead of turning them off, you won't have to try to remember what special is next
you'll always step on the glyph that is opposite of what you're praying for next special
plush gull
o ok thanks
plush gull
if you keep your prayers on instead of turning them off, you won't have to try t...
easy new PB with just praying opposite prayers, but i still flounder when the flare i only have 2 glyphs for spawns out of range
gonna set up custom menu swaps to prioritise them over yama like i have for frems
i guess 10 tile radius markers might also help
sacred oracle
are you an iron? why are you using moths?
plush gull
they dont have attack cooldown
basically super duper karambwans that are like 3x better
no im main i have about 40m for other gear and supplies
plush gull
they dont have attack cooldown
i figured this would also be good for p3 methods since it doesnt delay attacks, also it heals ur teammate in a duo
sacred oracle
i can't say i understand basically anything going on in this inventory, but as long as you're making progress
i can still stream a kill if you want to see one
plush gull
now that u mention it i can probably ditch the locator orb for more snowy knights and take extended antivenom instead of sacks
sacred oracle
you can just prepot an extended antivenom and it can last 2 kills
and then a sanfew if your trip lasts longer
plush gull
could also get rid of varrock tele since i have dead, just have to run pisc to get varrock tele
i think my kills are over 10 minutes so even the sacks run out sometimes
and sanfews would work but then im wasting prayer doses every time i rerup antipoison
not sure how long they last for antipoison it doesnt say on runelite
6 min
compact flicker
Wonder if we already will be getting CA's tomorrow.
They have been quite fast at...
Feeling like a constant struggle to maintain elite CAs for me lol
But there's a lot of new simple CAs, must just do them
fossil epoch
Yeh, i hope my buffer is big enough lol
compact flicker
It just annoys me because I like doing one boss at a time until greenlog, with constant releases this isn't working for me
plush gull
lmao i got wrecked by enrage, this boss is hard
is there tiles for avoiding fireballs/waves with mage
wait the fireballs are every 3 ticks?
its always the same 3 ticks on a 7 tick cycle, so if u run 2 ticks then attack, u can avoid them with tick loss
but cant just do that permanently cuz 7 isnt divisible by 3... this boss is hard
sacred oracle
i'm streaming it rn
poorly but i'm doing enrage so you can see my tiles
can also check out synq twitch
he has a faq that has mage tiles marked
plush gull
im not set up for joining voice on this server, ill look for the synq tiles
i dont have twitch to use a bot command and all of his vods are melee
fossil epoch
Got mine from Sync
black square near yamathrone is where to stand when you attack him, and you click then 2nd black square when the purple flames reach one of the 2 green squares
For dodging the falling fireballs, it determined around the 2 different patterns in can have
If its a Vertical Line you go: 1 step right, 1 step south-east, 1 step south then return to black square near throne
If its a Horizontal line you go: 1 step down, 1 step south-east, 1 step right then return to black square neat throne
fossil epoch
People of Rune tier and above are allowed a bit more than usual in terms of links, but it is hard finding out exactly in what way
grave blade
Hey gamers why is there no range update
restive siren
wdym by range update
pine juniper
Any guesses what’s in the update tomorrrow
For the weekly 🤨 praying for empty containers
rain fulcrum
Probably contracts but feature gated off til Friday
final frigate
Has jagex mentioned anything about claws accuracy bug
old tinsel
Has jagex mentioned anything about claws accuracy bug
What bug
final frigate
Claws second hitsplat never hits if first hit is 0
fossil epoch
Hey gamers why is there no range update
gotta explain yourself a bit more here
fossil epoch
Any guesses what’s in the update tomorrrow
Fire rune reduction for demonbane spells
Adding Oathplate shards to collection log
Removing D chain from Yama collection log
fixing spelling mistakes on yama content
compact flicker
gotta explain yourself a bit more here
Obviously wants Toktz-xil-ul to be BIS everywhere, wouldn't you?
hard axle
Any guesses what’s in the update tomorrrow
hopefully making the shards untradeable because the amount of completed oathplates coming in from tradeable shards is terrible 
hasty shard
hopege
tender harness
Jagex be like - every time a player does butterfly tech Yama now spawns extra meteors, alternating ticks when they attack and move
ebon haven
Did a jmod confirm anywhere that you get to pick your piece of oathplate from a successful contract?
elfin pewter
Is there a specific reason nardah statue doesn't reset surge pot? Or is this an oversight?
hard axle
probably an oversight since poh does reset and nardah is higher reqs
tacit pendant
Is there a specific reason nardah statue doesn't reset surge pot? Or is this an ...
I hope we push this, having to go ferox is just dumb
hard axle
fossil epoch
OR make yama stop dropping the tallow, forcing the surge pots to increase so much in price, being a discontinued item
tacit pendant
Giga rare rushing pot is funny
hard axle
OR make yama stop dropping the tallow, forcing the surge pots to increase so muc...
stares in 100k surge pots
hard axle
ember token
whats the plugin called again
wind cobalt
@carmine ferry can we get the reduced fire rune cost before thurs at least ❤️
ember token
nope
tender harness
nope you will now get 4x fire rune
austere mulch
Are dragon claws going to be fixed in this update orrrrr
slender vapor
It'll be interesting reading the next blog
lament peak
I've gone through like 300k fire runes in 300 kills 
olive musk
So are contracts accesible on Wednesday or Friday this week?
ember token
friday
olive musk
Okay, thank you.
tacit pendant
The way its going, contracts drop june 30th
hard axle
The way its going, contracts drop june 30th
Please do
I'm not kidding - It's always better to delay delay delay if there's concerns
true talon
Contracts should be canceled or made one time entry to unlock
The unique contracts should be fully removed
Pet contract should become untradeable and unlocks the fight to challenge for increased pet rate
hard axle
Contracts should be canceled or made one time entry to unlock
Just make them not vanish on death
hard axle
no, they vanish on completion
so u still have to grind them out
dont ever think I'm going to advocate for league tier easyscape
tacit pendant
Vanish on completion not death is what im betting jagex settles on
true talon
Oh vanish on completion. Not a fan of that. But atleast not loss on death removes the barrier to entry and learning
tacit pendant
Not saying good or bad, but my money is that this is the easiest fix
true talon
Vanish in finish just punishes end game players lol
Means they still gotta buy the entry key
tacit pendant
Yes
compact flicker
whats the plugin called again
Dude, where's my stuff?
austere mulch
Delay contracts, fix claws, buff horn, make shards untradeable
Ty
idle rapids
Dude, where's my stuff?
compact flicker
Duuude, sweeeet
hard axle
Vanish in finish just punishes end game players lol
and that's miles better than wiping and losing an orb
stares in 197 orbs
on release
ember token
what if contracts were timed
or attempts based
like you use a contract and you have 24 hours to make use of it
or you get 10 uses of it
hard axle
or you get 10 uses of it
just lessens and minimizes what makes orbs annoying tbh
tacit pendant
3-5 attempts per contract could work if drop rates were tripled
hard axle
at that point it's no different than just increasing hte drop rates
which I dont think they want to do
tacit pendant
Yeah gl jagex friday will be interesting
minor whale
Honestly the whole system is shaping up to be just flat worse than orbs lmao
If they're common they're worthless, but still give out drops that are uniques
minor whale
Remember when they said the system wouldn't just be "extra chance at a unique"
I guess 100% isn't extra
Welp at least the armor is probably gonna crash to like 70m/piece soon
slender vapor
Slorva and fang will share a similar fate
tacit pendant
Welp at least the armor is probably gonna crash to like 70m/piece soon
I have been surprised the armor has gone up a bit last few days. Ig people have work
pliant haven
Looks like contracts are 92m. Worth buying?
frail bough
Yep buy em all
slender vapor
The power farming always falls off, but it's not gonna suddenly be worth more with how much it can be farmed
People solved the boss pretty quickly day 1
It kinda feels like jagex expected the boss to be harder
hard axle
The power farming always falls off, but it's not gonna suddenly be worth more wi...
Wait til the bot farms catch up
replaces the day 1ers
tacit pendant
Word on the street is bots are already out.
austere mulch
Auto prayer swappers were out day 2, so wouldn’t be surprised
icy relic
vanish on completion is the easiest to balance
you can control what percentage of the items come from contracts at least
plush gull
this update is so stressful idk why jagex couldnt just release a fun boss instead of forcing iron gameplay with the pots and death charge and the insane dumpster fire of contracts
vanish on completion is fine, like you could even suicide to keep doing the fight if somehow that was necessary, but why are we even here in the first place
icy relic
I've been enjoying the new boss a lot and I want to see what they've cooked up for the hardmodes
but like that's not going to be possible with 20m contracts
ember token
iron gameplay is good actually, its good to make mains actually do content instead of buying every single item
hasty shard
the gameplay of making pots wowee
plush gull
iron gameplay is good actually, its good to make mains actually do content inste...
its good to force people to do content they don't want to and ban them from doing content they want to do if they can't afford keys
true talon
Auto prayer swappers were out day 2, so wouldn’t be surprised
Why would you need auto pray the attack cycle is 8 ticks lol
plush gull
this just sounds so antithetical to a game, like if you don't want people to play and enjoy games why would you make games. it's like telling your players to go away :(
tacit pendant
The pots secondary being tradeable while the pots are not is ass backwards
true talon
this update is so stressful idk why jagex couldnt just release a fun boss instea...
Your just mad you have to Ironman your double death charge and don’t want to do Guthix sleeps lol
true talon
You’re just mad you have to Ironman your d arrows and darts
Ya but I’m not given an option to create them. He has the option to do wgs and the boss.
obsidian venture
true talon
There is a difference
obsidian venture
true talon
Also if they don’t fix this bosses transition timing and it’s freaking loot I’m going back to wow
Small qol like that needs to exist week 1. Boss should properly transition when it reaches correct health. Boss should not prevent me from eating or changing my gear when it transitions.
austere mulch
Why would you need auto pray the attack cycle is 8 ticks lol
Idk the same reason people auto pray nightmare and hydra
Lazy
The point was, if autopray was out day 2, then all that would be left is adding functionality for the basic and choreographed movement that needs to be done and bam - there’s your bot
tacit pendant
You’re just mad you have to Ironman your d arrows and darts
Dont have to ironman d arrows if jagex never makes tbow content 
obsidian venture
Dont have to ironman d arrows if jagex never makes tbow content <:feelsroqman:58...
So true
true talon
You have the option of CG and Duke though <:erm:1272329220340715615>
Nope it don’t give me a 100% chance of return for my time investment
hard axle
obsidian venture
Tbow content in 2026
true talon
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Dragon_arrow
https://oldschool.runescape.wik...
All of these are rng. Therefore not reasonable methods of obtain.
true talon
Rng for consumable is not reasonable yes
plush gull
dragon arrowtips? just do colo
true talon
Means they if I go grind and spend 10 hours there is a chance I wasted 10 hours
Unlike if I go for say zulrah scales
tacit pendant
Dont say sacred eels over getting 5x more from zulrah PLEASE
plush gull
theres 0 chance u do 10 hours of colo with no dragon arrowtips
hard axle
Means they if I go grind and spend 10 hours there is a chance I wasted 10 hours
Even though u have enough time to play an endgame iron, you have one of the worst mentalities for an iron
true talon
Even though u have enough time to play an endgame iron, you have one of the wors...
No I dont, I just don’t invest my time in grinds that generate consumables at an rng rate
When I do prep it’s on things that meet my end goal from when I started
plush gull
even if u do colo with venator+tbow it looks like dragon arrows are net positive if u can fletch them
true talon
D arrows and darts is not something any Ironman goes out their way to grind. We get a bit from pvm and then never use them or save them for challenging content.
plush gull
which i cant, im a main
true talon
It’s also easier to just afk amyethyst
hard axle
D arrows and darts is not something any Ironman goes out their way to grind. We ...
sounds like you're in the same spot as mains for surge pots, and yet you're hypocritically giving people shit for it
true talon
sounds like you're in the same spot as mains for surge pots, and yet you're hypo...
You can buy barrels of tallow
They are tradeable
plush gull
you can buy awakeners orbs
hard axle
You can buy barrels of tallow
still have to process them
true talon
That’s not a bad thing
plush gull
if you die 50 times an hour from trying to 1 hp DH vard then its only 40m an hour to play a game
hard axle
I know, I'm working towards white and green stack of surge pots
And neither is hunting dragon arrows or just using amethyst arrows
true talon
still have to process them
Processing is fine
hard axle
sounds like a whole lot of excuses and exceptions on your side and none for other side
plush gull
with bonds thats only 17 pounds an hour, if you play 2 hours a day thats only like 1000 pounds a month
true talon
Having no way to obtain the item to process without an unknown interval of time investment is not
plush gull
oathplate contracts tho, imagine if that fight was fun or interesting
we cant have that
true talon
My issue with d arrows and darts is you can’t just get them. You need them as drops. Unlike amyethyst which I can mine from the wall.
hard axle
I grind shit out regardless
so it aint an issue for me
and at the minimum, if im complaining, it's cuz I do the content
formal sentinel
I'm still really hoping the harder contracts just combine the changes from easier contracts
true talon
I would love a d arrows and darts equilvent that is untradeable that I could farm or process
plush gull
just deiron
true talon
Literally best case for me
icy relic
My only gripe is boss not dropping wines of zammy
jagex is way too stingy with that shit
tacit pendant
Everything i've seen this dude post last few days makes me think he wants to play a singleplayer survival rpg
icy relic
I think it's fine for bosses with chase rares to have worse normal drops
but some things should drop wines of zammy
austere mulch
I would love a d arrows and darts equilvent that is untradeable that I could far...
Dragon arrow and dart equivalent that is easier and faster to obtain?
Wot
Question there is do you reasonably need that for literally anything, over just amethyst
hard axle
Dragon arrow and dart *equivalent* that is easier and faster to obtain?
Wot
Why we should separate mains and irons into different servers
formal sentinel
Dragon arrow and dart *equivalent* that is easier and faster to obtain?
Wot
I mean regardless, actual items would still be faster & easier to obtain for mains.
Because buying something on the GE is always faster than skilling it out
lament peak
Why we should separate mains and irons into different servers <:shrug:1086609460...
I already play with entity hider on 24/7 🤷♀️
hard axle
I already play with entity hider on 24/7 🤷♀️
Yes, but your existence still impacts 
like a fat person having their own gravitational orbit
tacit pendant
Project Zanaris is a real thing
lament peak
i've never traded drops to a main i just buy the yearly sub lol
hard axle
u dont have to drop trade to have an impact
lament peak
u dont have to drop trade to have an impact <:erm:1272329220340715615>
go on o.o
austere mulch
I mean regardless, actual items would still be faster & easier to obtain for mai...
Without doubt, many mains, especially those that aren’t actually end game, are going to approach it as “what is the best value for my time”
Eg.
If dragon darts cost me 4m/hr to use, then the untradeable equivalent is effectively worth 4m/hr and would probably be something that is easily afk so can in some sense be considered zero-time acquisition if you’re doing it on mobile where you otherwise wouldn’t be logged in
That’s a net negative
hard axle
most of the time they're fine
true talon
Question there is do you reasonably need that for literally anything, over just ...
To be on = grounds as mains then yes. It’s practically the only items in the game irons can’t produce on their own.
austere mulch
To be on = grounds as mains then yes. It’s practically the only items in the gam...
Why do you need to be on equal footing with mains at all times
hard axle
but when people stick their noses into the matters that don't impact your side at all, it's wild
like tradeable vs untradeable oathplate shards
true talon
Because I want to have a method to obtain end game stuff. Since I went though the pain of obtaining an end game item that uses said resource. I should have a method to obtain said consumable.
austere mulch
You do, you just don’t like the method(s) available
formal sentinel
Without doubt, many mains, especially those that aren’t actually end game, are g...
It would depend entirely on the rates. If it gave the untradeable equivalent to 750k-1m/hr worth of darts, that'd be fine.
You could do one hour of Vorkath and get 5x that from the GE after
Like if it were the case, I don't think it would make sense for the rates to be much better than anglerfish
true talon
The method is rng heavy and not good for a goal. The game has been loading it into drop tables instead of fixing the actual problem.
hard axle
Because I want to have a method to obtain end game stuff. Since I went though th...
I feel like untradeable avernic darts would still be impactful though
true talon
Just like they did with blood runes
hard axle
scar essence is the worst design to bring up lmao
true talon
Scar ess was the best change thwy ever made
hard axle
it's the worst form of shopscape
true talon
It’s not
It lets you convert gold to runes and also gets your runecrafting in the process
formal sentinel
Truth be told, I don't mind end game ammo (or untradeable equivalent) being available from skilling, as long as it's at a low rate.
Equipment is one thing, but ammo I'm not opposed
upbeat moss
De-iron
hard axle
that's literally just 1 hour of normal RC and buying it from GE
austere mulch
“I enjoy the challenge of needing to collect things myself and earn my items and resources”
“I want easier access to bis-equivalent items that are only relevant to irons and a net negative impact to economy for mains”
true talon
Well we can’t have 100k blood rune runcrafting, because muh economy crying mains. So this is the next best thing.
tacit pendant
Mains are ojectively stronger in 99.9% of team comps, literally just deal with the game mode you picked
upbeat moss
Truth be told, I don't mind end game ammo (or untradeable equivalent) being avai...
Hunt dragon implings
hard axle
Well we can’t have 100k blood rune runcrafting, because muh economy crying mains...
i literally have
8x the RC xp as you
austere mulch
“I enjoy the challenge of needing to collect things myself and earn my items and...
This is also weird considering most of the content you are doing is solo
Why are you wanting to compete with mains when you aren’t playing with them
hard axle
u didnt even RC to 99 yet what
true talon
Yea why would I go past 99 when shops exist
formal sentinel
Hunt dragon implings
I'm a main, I'd rather just Vork & buy lmao
hard axle
remove buy stocks
upbeat moss
I'm a main, I'd rather just Vork & buy lmao
nah im just sayin, thats the skilling method thats low rates lol
hard axle
Why are you wanting to compete with mains when you aren’t playing with them
Like it's crazy how different irons are when i started and how they are now
tacit pendant
Fuck vorkath in 2025 even as a med level main
hard axle
Fuck vorkath in 2025 even as a med level main
dhl not accurate enough
can we get demonbane level of dragonbane
tacit pendant
Break down 3 fangs to buff the lance further
formal sentinel
nah im just sayin, thats the skilling method thats low rates lol
Oh that's fair. Is there a consistent way to farm dragon implings?
austere mulch
“I need to be able to compete with mains in the solo-only content I do so that they don’t get 102 kills in the time I get 100”
hard axle
and at the minimum, if im complaining, it's cuz I do the content
this is what I mean
formal sentinel
Fuck vorkath in 2025 even as a med level main
Vorkath is boring as shit but still just so much better gp/h than the majority of stuff you can do at those levels
true talon
It’s not about a need, it’s about not having access to something due to the game dictating it.
plush gull
u mean yama contracts?
austere mulch
You do have access to it though, you said yourself that you have a stash of them that you choose not to use or to use only for difficult content
plush gull
or awakeners orbs?
true talon
We have so many skills and methods in the game. But I literally can’t create or process end game ammo
plush gull
they both should be deleted, straight up deleted from the game
austere mulch
The problem is you want to use them everywhere
lament peak
just use amethyst arrows or grind 10,000 vorkath kills
plush gull
when can i delete contracts and awakeners orbs on project zanaris servers, while also banning anyone from being ironman
warm epoch
Let's just go the rs3 method, 3 hours of upkeep for 2 hours of pvm
vernal valve
Vorkath is boring as shit but still just so much better gp/h than the majority o...
I'm genuinely always surprised by how well Vorkath has held its value as a moneymaker tbh. Although, I probably shouldn't be, considering most of it is stuff floored to alch/shop values.