leagues-general

[copper gorge]

So useless 85% of the time

[lone bloom]

What the closest bank to a fairy ring?

[timber quest]

I just avoid clankers, if I want something done wrong I'll do it myself lmao

DJR

[copper gorge]

Zanaris?

[timber quest]

Or AKR might be hosi vinery

[next dust]

Kourend?

[rare hollow]

zanaris bank is also close by

if u dont have kourend

[lone bloom]

I have bank heist and been using tzhaar city for fair ring

No kourend

[vapid silo]

aldarin isn't too far

[amber obsidian]

Looking for some tips for Doom on leagues - being as you have to use the echo infernal boppers, am i right in thinking a blindbag build might be best for him? never done him main game, im using thorns light weapon specials build atm with the fang and i can get to deep delves but i dont usually last long

[rare hollow]

id honestly recommend zanaris bank imo

[next dust]

is this the least used fairy ring?

[deep basin]

how strong is lithic sceptre, compared to air surging?

[copper gorge]

Yes

[vapid silo]

pretty useful

[timber quest]

Big for fruit tree and 2 clue steps

[deep basin]

useful for zerks training ranged with cannon at ogres

[next dust]

pretty is a bit severe

[austere ember]

regions?

[lone bloom]

Zanaris bank is a longer run to th ring than tzhaar city

[light portal]

Is there any guide on the best GEAR to use with the Water / Thorns build?

[vapid silo]

theres clues in the area and fruit tree patch

[light portal]

I don't know if it's better to build magic damage or armour

[next dust]

yh but watchtower or POH teleport?

[lone bloom]

High def melee armour

Like barrows

[light portal]

Better than prayer bonus or anything else?

[lone bloom]

Yea cuz def bonus increases thorn damage

[rare hollow]

as long as you can hit like 13-14 delve level i feel its fine

[lone bloom]

But won’t change your magic dps

[rare hollow]

there's no point in flexing deepest delves

you could argue its for higher drop rate at delve uniques but ive seen more people get delve uniques pre 8 rather than post 8

[next dust]

i have a hypothesis

either this or thorns is attacking EACH alchemical hydra head

separately

[austere mirage]

Apparently
noobs take flask
Mids take minion
Pros take flask

[rare hollow]

flask is just the best

[next dust]

minion is goat

it's 50% bankers noat

[lone bloom]

Minion is better dps, especially in multi

[rare hollow]

at my current setup flask basically refreshes every 1 minute

[next dust]

but does it note drops?

[austere ember]

minion is good if u dont have thralls

[lone bloom]

AND it auto loots in noted form

[next dust]

i use minion AND thralls?

always

[deep basin]

i really wanted executioner to be good - it was insanely good like 2-3 leagues ago

but now it's terrible i think

[rare hollow]

its not very useful

in comparison

[deep basin]

yeah - it was crazy a few leagues ago

[vapid silo]

middest relic in the league

[deep basin]

now it's quite bad

[lone bloom]

Worst relics this league is sustenance, executioner, and probably flow state

[vapid silo]

grimoire

[rare hollow]

flow state is more or less useless yeh

[next dust]

no

[deep basin]

flow state literally debuffed you in the gauntlet before devs fixed it xd

[timber quest]

Eternal sust has been so good

[lone bloom]

True, don’t even need grimpoire with 99 magic cape perk

[lone bloom]

Nope

[austere ember]

sustenance trivializes majority of pvm

it's op af

[lone bloom]

So does water thorns mage, and it’s more powerful

[rare hollow]

a better eternal sustenance - flask of fervour

[tacit oyster]

executioner's, grimoire and eternal sustanence are the ones with lowest impact on earning points

[austere ember]

not everyone wants to afk their pvm

[lone bloom]

Sustenance drops your dps cuz of eating stall

[scenic garden]

50 echo hunllef in, 3 armour seeds short but 2 enh seeds

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[rare hollow]

sometimes

sometimes i think god has favourites

[tacit oyster]

yes, not recommended to eat during combat. Can still eat to stay alive to not lose dps to dying or eat between combat

[amber obsidian]

asgarnia, morytania and im one of the rare special boys that took fremmy so lacking mage gear

[rare hollow]

you're pissing me off seren

[scenic garden]

this is why sustenance is bait

[fleet ibex]

Remember, not dying is more dps than dying

[rare hollow]

the guys who took eternal sustenance have to take minion

[lone bloom]

Anyone thinking sustenance is good hasn’t killed scurrius in main game yet

[rare hollow]

thats the only way to compensate

[timber quest]

The cope on this guy xD

[austere ember]

I see, then yea, boppers will sort you out

[tacit oyster]

i reloaded into eternal sustance since zcb spec is scam. losing dps if i spec with it

[deep basin]

sustenance is quite bad honestly

[lone bloom]

We know, it’s just bad players saying it’s good

[scenic garden]

they could have done so much more with sustenance

[deep basin]

i've picked eternal shark last leagues or on gridmaster

and it was ... meh

[scenic garden]

inf pots, a food buff, delay reduction, anything but what they did

[rare hollow]

its just eternal

[deep basin]

tbh eternal shark is quite a bit worse

because it didn't give you an option to use anglers or something

[lone bloom]

If eternal shark instantly healed you to max hp every time, THEN it would be a good relic

[deep basin]

but still

[scenic garden]

at least we also got inf pots and we could tick eat with karambwans

[rare hollow]

think it was the recent dmm which was eternal everything

[austere ember]

It's great when you're not running demonic pacts that heal

[next dust]

will i get knives?

[scenic garden]

well you also got double health from food so it was actually good

[rare hollow]

gl knives

[next dust]

1/2000 rate

idk if boosted or not

[rare hollow]

boosted

so 1/400

[deep basin]

what's the best gear to use with lithic sceptre? just max mage dmg?

[rare hollow]

depends if you're a thorns build or nah

[tacit oyster]

the reason why it was good in gridmaster was the 2.4x healing from all sources with sunlight bracers and perk bonus healing

[deep basin]

no thorns

at least not yet

air mage but with half of the pacts unlocked only

[lone bloom]

Yes

[rare hollow]

hm

well the sceptre spec does check your magic damage

[next dust]

btw i swapped out the crystal armour to this

[deep basin]

that's my tree so far

[next dust]

and the darts are doing so much better

[tacit oyster]

i took eternal sustenance as reload since i have basically everything except 50m rc already solved and i dont have evil eye so i can stay farming bosses with full inv of potions

[rare hollow]

150% of your max hit from magic dmg

[lone bloom]

I have no good tank armour options with kand, wild, tirannwn:/ trying to buff thorns damage

[copper gorge]

Joining the sustenance convo quickly.

Im mobile, i love sustenance

Makes everything less stressful because i can tick eat 40+ hp if i have to with thorns.

[rare hollow]

i seriously believe sustenance takers will choose minion in the end

like what other way do you have

[copper gorge]

Its also now 2 inv slots taken by food. And 1 at cg.

[rare hollow]

to maintain dps

[copper gorge]

I have plenty of dps

[austere ember]

I took flask so it'd be more fun

[tacit oyster]

eternal sustance + flask combo so can use flask anytime and heal with food between kills

[rare hollow]

oh thats just such a garbage combo lol

[copper gorge]

Is sustenance a bad relic yes. Is grimoire a bad relic also yes.

[next dust]

sustenance can be ok

[copper gorge]

I reloaded into culling spree

[amber obsidian]

i do find the sustenance usual counter argument of just use mage water tank instead kinda funny, because with water mage tank you sacrifice so much dps

[tacit oyster]

eternal sustenance is just a way to stay at bosses for me. not really eating during kills

[next dust]

if you just want to do Bossing and not use your brain collecting resources

[fleet ibex]

Grimoire has been great for a non kanda melee enjoyer

[next dust]

Sustenance and Friendly Forager is the brainless pvm player

friendly forager for infinite secondaries for potions

so you dont have to prep AT ALL

[copper gorge]

You dont even need pots tho with air mage or water mage

[next dust]

yh but youre not playing the game doing that

[copper gorge]

You get pretty much infinite sustain

[tight thorn]

Eh? Where can I kill a moss giant in tir?

[next dust]

you might aswell play cookie clicker

[rare hollow]

i thought forager was kinda mid compared to the nature's accord

[copper gorge]

Just never leave boss.

[tacit oyster]

reload options were eternal sustenance, evil eye, friendly forager or soul harvest. 2 solve 1 skill each and 2 are way to grind bosses

[tight thorn]

The only one listed in wiki is not fightable

[next dust]

slayer dungeon

[copper gorge]

Theres a dungeon south west within prif

[rare hollow]

forager only helped herb while accord helped both farming and herb

[fleet ibex]

Water/Air magers thinking everyone else is a water/air mager

🙄

[austere ember]

it's all about getting carried by ur relics and pacts as much as possible for an avg player
I just dont partake in that
Not a bad way to play but I'd rather try to do content organically and have fallbacks.

[rare hollow]

i will say secondaries are a problem for certain potions tho like zammy wines

but nobody is using ranged this leagues so gg ez

[shadow burrow]

Do spirit trees not grow faster?

[copper gorge]

Never said that lol im just saying the obvious

[chilly pine]

is this one not fightable?

weird

[tacit oyster]

that one or the ones inside slayer dungeon in priff

[scenic garden]

iorweth dungeon in sw prif

[copper gorge]

Theres a large underground dungeon in priff with bloodveld, moss giant, nech, dark beast etc

[next dust]

is that enough hitmarkers?

[rare hollow]

you guys XD

just kill it inside the dungeon in priff

and kill the nech along the way as well

[copper gorge]

Nech is after but yeh

[tired quiver]

140kc barrows full runs no full set yet... but 7 flails though

[sick hill]

armadyl or void for king's barrage ranged build?

[rare hollow]

big F

void

[tacit oyster]

void in most content, arma better for high ranged defence enemies like vardovis or sol

[chilly pine]

new blindbag tech?

[tired quiver]

id post a pic of my log if it let me

[copper gorge]

I have like 11 drops in 40 kills and 9 of them are dupes.

[rare hollow]

arma is trashhhhhh

[copper gorge]

I wish barrows had dupe protection in leagues

[tight thorn]

Nope

[copper gorge]

Idc about main game. But leagues should have dupe protect

[tight thorn]

Says so in the wiki, I checked

[tacit oyster]

doesnt change the fact that void is trash against high defence targets, even if it is true in general

[chilly pine]

did you find the slayer dungeon?

[night python]

any builds that absolutely shred nex?

[next dust]

more hitmarkers

and fire

whats this garbage

5 drage's tooth drops??

no claws lol

or knives

yes it's rarer but pls

[tacit oyster]

was 7 tooth before first claw but then got 2 claws while killing superior chain

[next dust]

gosh i love hitmarkers LOL

[chilly pine]

wyrms have the same rate on slayer task

[tired quiver]

140kc Barrows,
Karils - 3 Helm - 3 Chest - 5 Legs- 0 Weapon
Ahrim - 0 Helm - 2 Chest - 2 Leg - 3 Weapon
Dharok - 0 Helm - 1 Chest - 1 Leg - 0 Weapon
Guthan - 0 Helm - 3 Chest - 0 Leg - 2 Weapon
Torag - 3 Helm - 0 Chest - 2 Leg - 2 Weapon
Verac - 0 Helm - 0 Chest - 5 Leg - 7 Weapon

FML

[misty sigil]

got my visage! what is max charge for dfs?

[chilly pine]

50

[deep basin]

finished mine - mostly did only brothers i needed after 30-40kc

[next dust]

see am a osrs player that also plays Borderlands

so leagues is the stuff

[golden chasm]

is there a way to see how many farming contracts you've completed?

[next dust]

and i enjoy the weird builds there too haha

[tired quiver]

how do i get rights to post photos

[chilly pine]

ask guild master jane

[golden chasm]

absolute legend

[chilly pine]

steel chat activity rank

[tired quiver]

o

[chilly pine]

#botzone can do !rank in this chat

[tired quiver]

!rank

[chilly pine]

or here i guess

lol

[tacit oyster]

bots not blocked in this channel

[tired quiver]

o shit didnt see you linked a channel my bad

Surely lvl 5 should be steel XD

[tacit oyster]

its fine, they just usually block some bots in most channels to not spam the feed

[tired quiver]

if not what level is steel

[tacit oyster]

#old-school message

that has all the ranks and perks

[tired quiver]

damn ok

thanks

[deep basin]

bro, 10dfruit seeds?

that would be amazing if i didn't have transmute

[kind cairn]

Does Dinh's bulkwark work with blindbag? considering its a two-handed shield and not a "weapon"?

[tired quiver]

its still a weapon though right?

[fallen fossil]

If its a shield, no

[[Blindbag]]

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Pacts_League/Demonic_Pacts

[covert wolf]

i believe it does work with blindbag

[fallen fossil]

[chilly pine]

you can see in gnomonkeys infinite jad challenge he uses dinh's and his blindbag procs his scythe

https://youtu.be/AuUbRTt0YnI?si=013THivA4N7dYf1b&t=108

[tacit oyster]

dinh's does count as 2 handed weapon since you can attack with it. they had specify it also works as shield in one of the pacts

[fallen fossil]

Oh yeah, that makes sense it would work when equipped

[open garden]

this is my first leagues. do they improve the rng close to the end of leagues?

[fleet ibex]

Not that I know of

5x drop rate increase at a certain relic, forget which

[scenic garden]

t4

2x at t1 then 5x at t4

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Pacts_League/Boosted_drops

these are the boosted items

[open garden]

fair thank you

[carmine sundial]

Just gotta get lucky at 5x the rates 🥲

[chilly pine]

still on 1 out of 4 axe pieces

[kind cairn]

how do i get rid of this display? I dont wanna see all my buffs

[chilly pine]

search 'buff' in settings for the buff bar

the All Settings button here

[kind cairn]

i only see two settings and neither seem to remove the display

[chilly pine]

it should have this option

[kind cairn]

wtf mine literally doesn't have that setting...

[chilly pine]

maybe one of your plugins relies on it and removed it from the settings

that is weird

[fair swallow]

Rough, I finished axe + 1 virtus mask in 430 kc

Your virt luck is wild tho

[scenic garden]

the boosts information plugin

[fair swallow]

Does vardorvis have different rates then the other dt2 bosses?

[kind cairn]

i love you

[fair swallow]

Oh wait you're at vardorvis lol

[chilly pine]

he actually has worse rates at virtus than duke

[wooden hamlet]

Guys do i understand correctly cerberus is supposed to drop an orb at 5/130 right?

Or do I misunderstand the boosted droprates

[chilly pine]

every other dt2 boss has better odds at virtus, why is that

axe pieces too

[fair swallow]

@wooden hamlet 1/102

[wooden hamlet]

Oh that's a grind for the pact point. But good to know what I am up for, thanks!

[fair swallow]

On wiki there's a list of all the boosted rates

[tired quiver]

So it's taken me 8 hours but finally got a full barrows set

[wooden hamlet]

Ogh yes I found it thanks I did not know either

[fleet ibex]

It's probably better to think of it as a 3/102 for ANY crystal

The bigger grind imo is for the ranger boots to make the pegasians

That can kinda suck

[wooden hamlet]

3/102, 1/33ish for a single one

Fuck then I am dry lol. BUt that's OK itt'll even out at tob i hope :p

[idle briar]

W400 barb assault for anyone interested!

[fair swallow]

@chilly pine wiki is stating that virtus from vard is a 1/649 for any specific piece lol you rolled 5 items in how many kc?

[chilly pine]

i passed 1k kc already

i'm going rank 1

if its 1 axe piece per 1000 kc

[fair swallow]

Dang lol

[harsh oyster]

cursed i think

[chilly pine]

they reset my league multi

[fleet ibex]

Wish I got this spooned for ToA instead

[fair swallow]

Dang

[jovial tiger]

spooned

[harsh oyster]

i gotta go after vardorvis for virtus

[jovial tiger]

im like 500 kc vard no virtus

[sullen heath]

Always assumed it was because vard is a faster fight than the others

[jovial tiger]

I afked too hard lol

i already have one so no biggie but thought it was funny

[covert wolf]

need to go back to main game

[jovial tiger]

lol just got another

can you use death coffer money to get more bank spaces?

[toxic vortex]

2 roles done at BA, although I do need more attacker points so I can buy the torso

[harsh oyster]

is the ring of suffering worth it?

[toxic vortex]

depending on your regions is probably your bis ring

ultor is available for melee, but outside of that

[jovial tiger]

if you are tank throns its 100% bis

because the recoil effect works with thorns and does massive damage

[toxic vortex]

this also

[harsh oyster]

right

suppose thats where my first zenyte is going then

[jovial tiger]

just be warned you will be making like 500 recoils to feed it lol

also make sure to imbue it for the defense and pray bonus

[harsh oyster]

im assuming nightmare zone is basically free with a thorns build

[toxic vortex]

not exactly

[jovial tiger]

its disabled, you give the guy money for points

[toxic vortex]

^

1:1 gp to points

[harsh oyster]

ah

[toxic vortex]

so 750k to imbue

[harsh oyster]

good thing money is free thanks to larceny

[jovial tiger]

whats better money? vyres or heros?

[toxic vortex]

heroes probably

[harsh oyster]

vyres

[toxic vortex]

you could alch the blood shards

[harsh oyster]

vyres are better money even without that

[toxic vortex]

oh? i only did them for my shard

[harsh oyster]

elves are the best money if you took tir though

[wanton fiber]

Im not sure if i'll make it to T8 but I just reached reloaded.

Areas: Kand, Desert, Varl, Karamja, will go Tira next
Relics: Barb gathering, Woodsman, Bank Heist, Transmute, Larcenist, Culling

I'm a mage and like PVE but have barely done any of it focussing on tasks. Any advice what to reload into?

[harsh oyster]

heroes are 6.1m/hr and vyres are 6.7m/hr according to the demonic pacts thieving guide

which i believe

[toxic vortex]

89 rc now

[wanton fiber]

I was thinking coniving clues for points but expect i'll regret it

[harsh oyster]

conniving clues is fun provided you don't get bored

if you like doing clue scrolls youll like conniving clues

personally? id go eternal sustenance, because its actually an insane relic

[wanton fiber]

Is it useful for me though? Im a water tank mage

[harsh oyster]

shrug

[wanton fiber]

I skipped it because I thought i'd be fine healing

[harsh oyster]

i still use it and im waterthorns

but i also do a fair bit of melee pvm despite being waterthorns so maybe im an outlier

[wanton fiber]

Ah I see

Does it make it so you can infinitely combo heal with karams as well? Only limited by the eat animation? lol

[harsh oyster]

yes

[wanton fiber]

Thats p cool

[harsh oyster]

it applies to stat boosting items too like the summer pie and whatnot which is Vaguely useful

[next dust]

relic idea for next leagues: the slayer relic could be able to turn any single combat pvm zone multi combat?

[harsh oyster]

just wish it applied to potions

[wanton fiber]

Thatd be crazy lol

[scenic garden]

35 days left, plenty of time to hit t8 and try for dragon trophy

[harsh oyster]

A maximum of 100,000 charges can be stored, equivalent to 2,500 rings
crafting grind time

[wanton fiber]

Throw me a bone, what do I reload into to maximise points

Its always hard to quantify, because something that saves u time can also lead to more points right

[harsh oyster]

theres a lot of skilling related tasks that basically any of the relics would help with

theres also a lot of clue-related tasks that conniving clues would make much easier

[wanton fiber]

Yea thats why I was leaning towards it

But coniving will run dry eventually

[scenic garden]

clue tasks are only ~2-3k points so it can run dry pretty quick

[wanton fiber]

Oh what I expected more, thats nothing

[harsh oyster]

its still gonna take a hell of a lot longer without conniving

i reloaded into uhhhhhhh endless harvest

after i started with barbarian gathering

because it makes mining, smithing, fletching and firemaking tasks slightly less agonizing

[wanton fiber]

I guess thats comfier yea but I didnt mind with the barb knapsack

[harsh oyster]

well

the banking aspect isn't really the main thing

its the, yknow, endless part

[wanton fiber]

Tru tru

[dense forge]

I reloaded into the farming one to make farming very easy and solve herb. It also has fairy's flight built in which is super useful for clues

[scenic garden]

• EH could be a good reload so you can afk gathering skills
• Forager is good for getting herbs for herblore and once you get the goggles from mixology you won't use up secondaries
• Butler's Bell does alot with all the passive resources you'll get
• or Soul Harvest is popular to knock out RC and Prayer, but personally I think you can solve prayer with Transmute and Minion and RC can be solved with Minion at Sulphur Naguas

[wanton fiber]

I was just about to mention i'm also really eyeing nature

[tacit oyster]

btw tip for something you can do in this league that helps future leagues is buying bank slots with gp. You keep the bank slots you buy for future leagues

[scenic garden]

natures accord could synergise well with transmute for getting alot of specific herbs and some secondaries

and offers some good teles

wait where do you buy bank slots??

[tacit oyster]

you talk to banker and has option to buy a lo of bank space

[wanton fiber]

Luckily I have guardians of the rift for RC. So it seems its between EH and natures accord for me hmm

Actually thats insane, natures accord and transmute

[tacit oyster]

888m to buy +450 slots

[wanton fiber]

Ive been doing it for specific herbs but let it dust for a while since i abandoned farming for a bit

[harsh oyster]

1920 charges on my ring of suffering thus far

[scenic garden]

I kinda wish I had taken nature's accord after realising there were so few clue points

[harsh oyster]

this might take a minute

[dense forge]

Accord + transmute means you can just target farm herbs literally hundreds at a time

Depending on your zones of course

[scenic garden]

maybe not hundreds all the time, but somewhere near that

[wanton fiber]

I have kand, desert and soon tira

[tacit oyster]

basically means you can do 1/10th of the herb runs you would need otherwise

[harsh oyster]

i didnt realize it fucking Doubled the defensive bonuses when i imbued it dear lord

[wanton fiber]

Kand is kinda huge for patches iirc

[harsh oyster]

plus 20 in all defence sectors in The Ring Slot is absolutely insane

[wanton fiber]

I think that settles it, accord it is. Thanks everyone, really appreciate it

[scenic garden]

damn, I need to grind out more gp

reminder that they made the grail rabbit instanced for leagues so go grab your 200 points

[tacit oyster]

hope you are water mage since you have to deathmatch the rabbit now

[scenic garden]

I killed it before with 1t staff thorns and some food, just didn't count cause someone else tagged it

[next dust]

why are Dragon Knives so rare in the main game?

[scenic garden]

apparently minion doesn't target this thing >_>

[next dust]

plot twist

that rabbit IS yama

[harsh oyster]

the what

[scenic garden]

north of prif

[tacit oyster]

small lvl3 rabbit inside a cave in prif

[next dust]

it and Yama are one in the same

[harsh oyster]

oh i didnt take tir so irrelevant for me

[scenic garden]

completely harmless you can take it

[next dust]

75 slayers done

superiors

guess how many imbued hearts i have

[scenic garden]

0?

[next dust]

cold

[timber quest]

659

[next dust]

very cold

[timber quest]

Shit

[next dust]

thats not a number

[scenic garden]

5?

[next dust]

warmer

very warm

[scenic garden]

6

[next dust]

colder

[scenic garden]

3

[next dust]

warmer

[scenic garden]

2

[next dust]

colder

[scenic garden]

4

[next dust]

wow you got it

gz

[timber quest]

Ptsd to clue helper not working aag

[scenic garden]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-batman-no-problem-first-try-gif-12803885

[harsh oyster]

The Power Of Deduction

[next dust]

beepboop

[smoky raft]

runescape players when they have to solve the runescape puzzle

[scenic garden]

hey I solved it in the end

[dense forge]

I had 0 of the superior drops, did one araxxyte task and got 2 of everything lol

[scenic garden]

even if I bashed my head thru the wall while doing so

[next dust]

another drake task. no knives.

im using the slayer master and if i get those or metal dragons i do that

[wanton fiber]

Does compost do anything with natures accord?

[scenic garden]

chance for more herbs

[wanton fiber]

Sick

[fast bridge]

is there a somewhat reliable way to pump out medium scroll boxes?

[harsh oyster]

im pretty sure plants can still get diseased with accord?

[smoky raft]

pickpocketing gnomes with larcenist and kandarin

[harsh oyster]

villa chests have good medium scroll rates

[smoky raft]

if you don't have both of those... maybe you should specify what you do have

[fast bridge]

@harsh oyster the house thieving?

[wanton fiber]

Well they can never die so not sure if they can get diseased?

[harsh oyster]

there are chests in the villas on aldarin

[fast bridge]

mm ok

[tacit oyster]

i just made myself multiple step plan to do clues. Want max cape but to get max cape i need to do runecrafting but for fast runecrafting i need binding necklaces from abyssal sire

[harsh oyster]

plants die separately from the disease i think?

[fast bridge]

ill try that

[harsh oyster]

disease just pauses growth

[old tapir]

plants die if they're diseased on the next farming tick

[harsh oyster]

i didnt take accord but im just guessing here, i feel like itd specify no disease if it meant no disease

[tacit oyster]

well only way they can die is from disease

[wanton fiber]

Its a little confusing. Disease leads to death and pausing of the next stage and accord doesnt speed it up etc just increases yield

So maybe it takes a little longer when diseased? idk lol

Probably neglible difference

[jovial tiger]

nature accord does 1 of 2 things:

plants never get diseased since they cant die

they still get diseased but they cant die so they are stuck on that grouth stage till you cure it

[dense forge]

I've never gotten a diseased plant since grabbing accord

[smoky raft]

whenever a farming tick occurs, a crop that is not fully protected has a chance to become diseased (this chance is heavily reduced by using higher tiers of compost btw)

on the tick that the crop becomes diseased, it does not gain the growth stage that it would normally get from that farming tick occurring.

If another farming tick occurs while the crop is diseased, it dies. This is the only way for crops to die- it has to be diseased first

[toxic vortex]

good god water thorns is so busted

[wanton fiber]

Damn that last sentence might be mad annoying but you'll notice it when doing runs and fix it then I guess

[dense forge]

I'm trying to resist the urge to reset into it lol

[next dust]

thanks

[jovial tiger]

its boring, if you want to afk bosses/cheese stuff u think is too hard go for it,

if you want to have fun engaging combat dont

[toxic vortex]

i re-specced to do barb assault

[smoky raft]

lmao rip that guy

[dense forge]

Yeah I'm going to avoid doing it until I'm at content I just can't do or is too frustrating

[wanton fiber]

cooked

[jovial tiger]

so annoying how they gave up on fixing thorns and magic "bouncing" not working

[smoky raft]

just killed blue moon before the moon tile moved once

and people say moons is a melee boss

[next dust]

i made a thing if anyone wants it

[toxic vortex]

3.2m rc xp pending with the rest of my diaries

[next dust]

are you zeah?

[toxic vortex]

no

[next dust]

sad

[mint cargo]

wait... why am I getting less xp with a felling axe chop

[next dust]

theres a lady who gives you 2 160k xp lamps lol

just for existing

[toxic vortex]

I used my lamps from sins of the father on rc though

and all of my CA lamps too

[next dust]

what to do next, learn yama, or keep going for dragon knives

i think theyll help for it tho

[harsh oyster]

i Really don't like how they just decided to give up on fixing some stuff

strange decision

[toxic vortex]

those lamps should put me somewhere like, 93 or 94?

[harsh oyster]

i can forgive it somewhat because i guess theyve got some big content coming this year but still a bummer

[toxic vortex]

wont be as bad to get 99

[next dust]

i did the soul runes to 99 ofc

as expected

[toxic vortex]

i do need to think about what method I want to do

[harsh oyster]

is the abyss accessible?

[toxic vortex]

probably zmi until 95 at least

maybe wraths after

[next dust]

prif?

[toxic vortex]

i do have T

[next dust]

hotfoot?

[toxic vortex]

nope

[next dust]

cause Zalcano could be an option

if you did

[toxic vortex]

pretty slow

[next dust]

well i had EH, Flow state (lacked the hotfoot lol)

with it would be wild rc xp

[toxic vortex]

come on barrows

[smoky raft]

the abyssal area (fairy ring area with abyssal demons) and abyssal nexus (abyssal sire boss hub) are both accessible regardless of region

the abyss (runecrafting nexus) is only available with wilderness

[harsh oyster]

unfortunate

[toxic vortex]

Makes sense though

[harsh oyster]

abyssal area still useful though

[toxic vortex]

The only way to access it is through the wildy

[smoky raft]

I guess there's also the Scar, which is part of the abyss

that's only accessible with desert

[median sleet]

We have to do final dawn to fight doom this leagues? Ugh

[tacit oyster]

at least it is nice xp rewards

[smoky raft]

rah

[peak crypt]

What is the best "tank" armor I can get with wildy, kandarin, and tirannwn? I know it isn't good lol. Really regretting my decisions right about now. Dragon the best I got?

[tacit oyster]

dragon legs, dragon full helm, granite body i think

[smoky raft]

echo boots, ring of suffering, confliction gauntlets, inferno cape, dragon full helm, dragon chainbody, dragon platelegs

off the top of my head

[tacit oyster]

oh chain body is in kandarin too right

[smoky raft]

yeah, kandarin and wildy

rare drop from smoke and dust devils

[tacit oyster]

get it from barbarian assault

[peak crypt]

So, with that being my best armor, is that decent enough to do the fun afk methods of water thorns I been seeing? Was doing colloseum last night and definitely still needed to tweak a bunch

[smoky raft]

honestly you're probably better off going for virtus

slightly worse thorns damage but the accuracy and damage boost will get you more heals

[peak crypt]

Damn haha you know its bad when mage robes are only slightly worse than my best tank armor. Really wishing I chose mory right about now

Or even asgarnia or something jeez

[smoky raft]

I mean

they have pretty decent def bonuses

[tacit oyster]

crystal armor with crystal blessing maybe. same %dmg, higher defense total than virtus

[smoky raft]

which is weird for mage robes

[peak crypt]

I have crystal armor and blessing already, idk if it holds up

[tacit oyster]

virtus probably about same still

[peak crypt]

Sunfire seems good and tanky too until you get to mage defense

[tacit oyster]

sunfire is basically rune armor

[peak crypt]

I mean it has double the stats of that virtus piece there. Except I'd have to camp mage pray

But yeah I'll go give virtus a try. And maybe first can go farm the dragon body from thermy to start off

[rare hollow]

So i jsut found out from this woodsman effect

[next dust]

holy hitmarkers

[rare hollow]

you dont need jars, if u have a butterfly net equipped and catch them with it, it will roll twice

but if you dont have butterfly net, then youll need the jar for 2x roll

[scenic garden]

I get 2x roll barehanded

[peak crypt]

Damn everyone and their mother is farming corp beast huh

[next dust]

this weapons fun hehe

[shadow burrow]

What’s best way to get or make planks? I have kandarin and kourend

[smoky raft]

you can just make an instance

you don't need an empty world or anything

[little wraith]

auburnvale mill

for making

[next dust]

butler

[tacit oyster]

[next dust]

where are my throwing knives?

[smoky raft]

thrown away

[next dust]

thats the objective

[wanton fiber]

Is there a way to combine clean herbs with vials quickly? Like an npc?

[smoky raft]

only if you have the desert unlocked

[wanton fiber]

I do, is it the guy in nardah?

[next dust]

this is what you get for not choosing butler

[smoky raft]

[[Zahur]]

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Zahur

[smoky raft]

requires hard diary

[wanton fiber]

Fug, guess I gotta get that

Thanks bros

[next dust]

i love seeing so many numbers hahah

right, break from these. they want metal dragons now

[chilly pine]

what if i use a needle and thread on the bottoms to create a top

[next dust]

you dont have costume needle?

cmon

will i get mystic? lol

[chilly pine]

you're right, but only because the quest was a task

[next dust]

dragon hasta

[tacit oyster]

that one is funny, it keep popping collection log new item every time

[next dust]

oh yh Lol

i wonder if that counts for the #of Clog Tasks?

[marsh haven]

is there a raid level that guarantees a purp in toa solo

[tacit oyster]

in solo toa no, 500 invo 8man without many deaths should be guaranteed and 700 invo 3man

800 invo is around 60% chance for purple solo

[crystal kelp]

Not guaranteed in solos

[marsh haven]

ic ty

[peak crypt]

Which of the two corp shields should I be shooting for for water thorn mage?

[scenic garden]

ely

[peak crypt]

Thanks!

[old tapir]

not guaranteed in groups either

just extremely unlikely for the entire group to not roll for a purple and grant it to everybody

[rare hollow]

damn i wouldnt like to run toa and not get guaranteed purps

[old tapir]

like you're doing a 500, i would imagine every person has a 50% chance at a purple

flip a coin 8 times, if you get heads atleast once, everybody gets a purple

but all tails and nobody gets one

[rare hollow]

hm in that sense it makes fair

i was running cox cms so its just about who gets lucky (90% of the time) i get purps

[drifting mauve]

dragon imp w603 south of legends guilld

[old tapir]

he's flying over the ocean

ty for call tho, i still need

[drifting mauve]

🙂

[marsh haven]

yea just ran a 860 solo no purp

fuck solos

except i have no choice because no one runs toa :')

[rare hollow]

keep checking in puro puro every now and then

sadly desert is very low in choice this year

[marsh haven]

yep

[carmine sundial]

I'm down for some when I'm off work, it's so sad not getting purples on a 50-60% roll

[marsh haven]

yea lol

[crystal kelp]

Damn, Jagex dogshit

[marsh haven]

theres like 8 ppl in this toa lobby and everyone is running like 250rl solos T_T

no one wants to group

[kind cairn]

Anyone know why I just 0 splat all my hits on phosani's nightmare? using water magic/thorns and saw a friend use the same build and do just fine

[scenic garden]

what's your magic attack bonus?

[remote cove]

do yall just hunter rumours to 99?

[scenic garden]

yes

[old tapir]

yep

[marsh haven]

i did 25m hunter xp with tecus lol

[remote cove]

ok cool

im left with cons (77) and firemaking (74), gotta look up cons, but fm probably will todt it

[scenic garden]

for construction you can do mahogany homes

[old tapir]

construction is buying 40mil worth of elemental runes and making those balls in the game room

[kind cairn]

its over 100 using ancestral, but my thorns damage was also 0 splatting which shouldn't really happen

[scenic garden]

or buy runes and spam elemental balance if you don't want to move

[remote cove]

any can tick off challenges?

mahogany homes sounds challengy

[kind cairn]

my pet was also missing all his hits

minion*

[marsh haven]

i went to 89 con with balances and abundance

then spammed demonic thrones

to 25m xp

[kind cairn]

I'm able to down her shield

nvm

im stupid

[remote cove]

for skill level challenges its just 50m right, then 200m each 1 xcombat and combat skill

[scenic garden]

seems like it

[remote cove]

ok cool, time to rc to 200m with soul shards

[scenic garden]

there's also 100m in any non-combat skill and combat skill

looks like the combat 200m is everything but prayer

but the 100m can be prayer 🤨

all I know is I'd need ~3k bones and ~1k sunfire wines to get to 50m prayer from 99 so don't think I'll be trying 100m lol

[old tapir]

i assume you're butler since you're talking like that

making your own altar and using transmuted superiors is very fast

[scenic garden]

how would butler get me that?

[old tapir]

it wouldn't

you're talking like somebody who doesn't have transmute

[scenic garden]

how so?

was non-specific on the bones because I have transmute

[old tapir]

i see

my bad

[scenic garden]

lit gilded altar would need 4325 bones from my current xp to 50m

along with herbs to keep it lit

so libation bowl would be better xp

[dense forge]

Doing prayer past 99 without wild and maybe Arceus seems like a hassle

[scenic garden]

could do ectofunctus, but that seems like a more involved process for 3784 bones

[dense forge]

Bone shards would probably be much faster and easier than ectofuntus

[gritty ice]

Yeah 3 weeks in all group games and raids gonna be dead soon
Leagues are done in 3-4 weeks usually. All the sweats have long since done speedran through the group bosses

[tacit oyster]

would need discords or clans to find groups easier

[scenic garden]

3127 superior dragon bones, 946 wines, and 1892 sunfire splinters for the libation route + ~40k gp for unnoting right there. seems like the fastest process by far.

[scenic garden]

#leagues-general message

[chilly pine]

it is, do this method

[scenic garden]

wish I'd known about libation bowl in main game so I didn't give myself so much anxiety at chaos altar >_>

[shrewd ermine]

what about making crystal thrones?

or any throne

[tacit oyster]

crystal thrones are option if you have billions gp

[chilly pine]

one crystal throne is 15 mill for 240k construction exp

[marsh haven]

highly recommend thrones if u have abundance and transmute for gold

[shrewd ermine]

I have 25M+ atm from pickpocketing elves. maybe as a middle ground I could do mahogany thrones. idk how good that is with butler though ngl

on paper just spamming planks sounds nicer

[fickle jasper]

You could just do the normal game con training method with mahogany tables or benches

[shrewd ermine]

yeah, that's what i've been doing. just not sure what more is out there now that I have some more money under my belt

[old tapir]

not exactly a budget option

[fickle jasper]

Get your butler to make all the planks for you and then hire a butler from ardy to bring the planks to you

[old tapir]

but if you got a billion from abundance or larcenist, go ahead

[harsh oyster]

i gotta say for whatever reason doing leagues has reignited my desire for questing

maybe ill do the extremely lengthy quest requirement list for while guthix sleeps and do that when leagues are over

[robust fern]

When leagues are over I'll try to find my last 5 for quest cape and then possibly quit

Finish*

[fickle jasper]

Leagues has killed any desire for me to finish up the few remaining quests I have

[robust fern]

I've got mm2, dt2, I can't recall what else. Leagues has reiterated how unfun end game pvm is, it's just more and faster prayer swaps

[fickle jasper]

Depends on the content

[robust fern]

I mean it's prayer swaps while stacking enemies behind columns

[fickle jasper]

That's only colo and inferno

[robust fern]

Or prayer swaps while clicking through axes

Or prayer swaps while dodging rocks

[old tapir]

olm also looks extremely unfun to do in main game

[fickle jasper]

Sounds about right

[old tapir]

without taking tons of damage that is

the whole dancing with the head is just, bleh

[tacit oyster]

just raid in a small team and make other run head for you

[old tapir]

olm's arena needs to be smaller

so it only takes 3 ticks to run across

[fickle jasper]

End game pvming isn't for everyone

[old tapir]

you have to be so extremely precise when it takes 4

[robust fern]

They just need to make real hotkeys for prayers, spells, etc. Like every other game

[fickle jasper]

Most of them are fast pace and decently challenging

[fickle jasper]

That's assuming you are soloing it

[robust fern]

If the real skill wasn't hitting prayer flicks without looking it would be worth learning the mechanics

[fickle jasper]

Doubt that will happen since this game kind of takes pride in not being like every other game

[robust fern]

Yeah, just doing a bit of venting, please carry on enjoying the game

[old tapir]

the game also demands too much of the mouse

[fickle jasper]

Fair

[old tapir]

have to play as if all your different menus are layered ontop of eachother and swap to them correctly with F keys

[fickle jasper]

It is a 25 year old fantasy point and click game sooooooo

[old tapir]

just let me keybind overheads directly

im so tired

[fickle jasper]

I don't disagree that having hotkeys would certainly make things easier in a lot of cases

[robust fern]

Maybe I shouldn't play on a laptop touchpad, too.

[fickle jasper]

But I've seen these made as suggestions and get shut down really hard

[peak crypt]

Is there a way to make thorns damage give strength xp rather than attack? That'd be really nice lol

[spring cipher]

then u should play rs3

manually clicking is part of the osrs experience

[fickle jasper]

You should be able to. Equip a melee weapon and change attack styles to what you want

[old tapir]

yeah, because clicking speed and precision has been widely accepted as a core part of the game's skill expression

[fickle jasper]

Yup

[robust fern]

Yeah, if I'm going rs3 I'll probably just play wow

[peak crypt]

Ahhh so its based on what the last melee weapon you used was on?

[fickle jasper]

I think so

Give it a try and lmk. I'm not 100% on that

[spring cipher]

exactly right? so osrs has its own system

thats what i think too lol

its why so many people quit runescape until osrs came back out

[robust fern]

Yeah, it's so close to the game I want to play, just maybe not quite it

[spring cipher]

its definitely not the same game at all but if i had to play a hotbar mmo id rather try wow or ff14

[peak crypt]

Wasn't it unfortunately. Last melee weapon was already on strength. Went back to boss and still getting attack xp

[fickle jasper]

aww

[peak crypt]

But oddly enough, I KNOW I've gotten strength xp from thorns at some point. It was balanced the other day and I took note of it

[old tapir]

wouldn't need a hotbar for keybound overheads, and the game really doesn't need more than that

it just needs to be able to not have to shuffle between the inventory and the prayer menu every second

[fickle jasper]

Lol me too. I've seen it too but not sure how it works

[little wraith]

it seems to work on classes like if I change a dragon mace to str it makes the rune mace str

[smoky raft]

it applies differently to staves specifically

if you're autocasting with a staff, you'll be getting attack xp

[austere mirage]

give!

[dense forge]

Take!

[smoky raft]

because staves are technically also melee weapons

[old tapir]

kq has one for you

[spring cipher]

sometimes id just drop sang staves beside people and people would go "omgg i need thattt"

[peak crypt]

I bet that's it. So maybe powered staves give balanced or strength?

[austere mirage]

kalphite queen?

[old tapir]

its so weird that kq's drops are like 97% that of a wildy boss

i wonder why they did that

[smoky raft]

I think powered staves work as intended with "last melee weapon" xp

since they don't have bash options

[old tapir]

yep

[dense forge]

Bc kq used to only drop the d chain

[austere mirage]

I cant touch her!

i am locked in Varlamore!

[peak crypt]

Interesting. Also tracks, considering I just got my quadrant last night and noticed not getting str xp anymore

[dense forge]

I still get att XP with thorns when I have my staff set to the melee option, then set auto cast. I'm assuming that's working as intended?

[old tapir]

we're so close to 200mil herblore chat

get excited

[late helm]

Why didn’t eternal sustenance work on potions…

[smoky raft]

oh cool

[smoky raft]

because it would be way too powerful

it's good enough as is

[late helm]

Would it be tho?

[smoky raft]

yes

[spring cipher]

ye

[late helm]

Why

[smoky raft]

gridmaster proved this

[old tapir]

snowy knights galore

[spring cipher]

infinite dps boosts, infinite healing, can triple eat forever

infinite prayer

[late helm]

It already has infinite healing

[spring cipher]

triple eating with a brew would be op

[late helm]

Flask is infinite healing too

[spring cipher]

flask has a cooldown

and its tier 8

[late helm]

Eh I’m not convinced. If anything I think Gridmaster proved it wouldn’t be op

It just becomes a solid choice

[smoky raft]

you already know- you wouldn't be asking for it if you didn't realize that it would make you more powerful

[fickle jasper]

Infinite supplies was really broken

[smoky raft]

it's of comparable strength to grimoire and culling spree

each is good for different builds

[past birch]

It still is but slows down your ranks I guess

Or you mean infinite pots

[spring cipher]

if u could have infinite potions and infinite food
you could bring
super restore, brew, karambwan, angler, super combat/ranging pot and u can fill the rest of ur invent with gear

its crazy

[old tapir]

sustenance would easily be the top pick without water mage

[spring cipher]

^

[fickle jasper]

I meant GM version

[next dust]

Did some IRL cooking training doing udon (stir fry) for the first time

[fickle jasper]

This one is kind of whatever imo since this league has so many ways to heal already

[late helm]

Eternal sustenance was only picked 11% vs culling spree at 83%. I think because of how busted maged is, even if it allowed pots too, culling spree would still be picked

[next dust]

How builds ONLY get a single echo bow lol

[spring cipher]

if sustanence could do potions too
i wouldnt even spec into water mage as a air mage id spec into even more dps

[late helm]

I think mage was too brain dead and broken this leagues

[smoky raft]

culling spree was picked so much because people saw "slayer" and it activated their goblin brains. It's not actually that good of a relic

[late helm]

Wtf

[spring cipher]

culling spree helped me with rushing 93 slayer tbh

thats what i chose it for

[late helm]

Culling spree is not bait lol 😂

[old tapir]

i think its good to have builds for the more casual folks

[late helm]

Culling spree is significantly better than eternal sustenance

[next dust]

Before they nerfed slayer masters a while ago it was OP at tureal

[smoky raft]

how so?

a damage boost that only applies to your current slayer task, meaning it can't be used against most bosses, including raids and colosseum?

[next dust]

It gives a damage boost against the ones that do tho

[late helm]

… most bosses? Like?

[next dust]

And that's just free

And you get all slayer unlocks free

No need to get pts

[smoky raft]

even then, most builds are lacking in sustain a lot more than dps

[late helm]

I think this is more of a goblin brain take than people choosing culling spree

[dense forge]

Ngl if mage didn't have unlimited sustain, I would have taken sustain

[next dust]

There's also the offhand heal if hit by 0 dmg

[dense forge]

Points are boosted for everyone, superiors are boosted for everyone

[next dust]

That happens so much

[smoky raft]

culling spree is the best pick if you are specifically water mage

[dense forge]

You do one task, you get 2 skips

[old tapir]

it also doesn't happen alot in places where it matters

[fickle jasper]

I think all 3 choices on that tier are viable, but given that a lot of regions had very high slayer requirements for pact points, culling spree was still picked a lot to accelerate that process

It certainly felt weaker than last league's slayer relic though

[dense forge]

Last year's was very good

[old tapir]

anything that hits any amount through prayer makes that node very bleh

[fickle jasper]

And that feels like a general thing with most relics this league

[late helm]

Eternal sustenance is more for casuals imo

[fickle jasper]

Most relics feel very toned down compared to last league

[tawdry carbon]

i was blindbag but this is i think the most fun captain america setup, with grimoire to use freezes/quick swap to use water magic as an eternal sustenance replacement

[spring cipher]

i like last leagues better

[low forge]

Culling spree is a massive dps boost against almost every boss you have to grind

[smoky raft]

I'd say "massive" is a massive overstatement

[fickle jasper]

Same

[white marsh]

Do echo kills count towards the boss kc tasks?

[late helm]

Did you not take culling spree?

[smoky raft]

you're spending most of your time waiting for the boss to respawn anyway

[spring cipher]

i liked how often echos would proc

now its like

ehhh

[smoky raft]

I took sustenance and have not regretted it for an instant

[fickle jasper]

Even the blindbag build?

I haven't tried that yet but I had assumed there would be a lot of echos there

[dense forge]

Last leagues echos were crazy lol

[spring cipher]

it do

[old tapir]

i still remember last league chilling in catacombs and this one gigachad walks up and does 12 hits to a hellhound in one tick

[fickle jasper]

lol

[old tapir]

that just stuck with me because it was so ridiculous

[tacit oyster]

you get a ton of echoes with blindbag setup if you run full bloodmoon

[fickle jasper]

I miss my 2t 100% accurate tbow

[low forge]

16.67% damage and accuracy is pretty huge

And you're not waiting for respawns at gwd etc unless you're afk

[white marsh]

Thanks, echo gargs is significantly faster than the regular version 😅

[past birch]

How much hp would this heal?

[late helm]

It is fine for casual players imo and for skillers

[smoky raft]

alright, for one, the accuracy bonus only applies if you're missing hits in the first place

[next dust]

Always heals to full

[smoky raft]

you get so much accuracy this leagues that you really shouldn't be missing anyway

[tacit oyster]

tell that to kill 50 boss without leaving instance task

[spring cipher]

yea the transition phases take forever

[smoky raft]

and the dps is good, I won't deny that, but it's not that huge in the grand scheme of things

I have spent 0 time gathering pvm supplies

[low forge]

I feel like there's no build where I'd need the extra healing

[smoky raft]

sure, you don't spend a lot of time doing it without sustenance, but that's zero time

no bank runs

[late helm]

You get key slayer drops sooner, echo items sooner, skip bad tasks sooner, dps increase…

[smoky raft]

no fishing

[harsh oyster]

oh boy i get to spend like an hour making gold bars

[low forge]

I never made potions or cooked food without it lol

[smoky raft]

I got 93 slayer and my quadrant within 2 days of actually training slayer

"it speeds up slayer" is a non-issue

[low forge]

Tho that could be from region choices

[late helm]

I had eternal sustenance food problems for 10 seconds

[harsh oyster]

i gotta lock in and do echo thermo

[tight thorn]

Lads, can you transmute runes into essence?

[spring cipher]

ye but all the slayer perks like superiorers spawning again if it dies is nice too

[harsh oyster]

i tried it a few times this morning but i got shaky cause im stupid and died every time

[late helm]

Needing unlimited food is a non-issue. It just makes things more casual

[toxic vortex]

just need healer points now basically

[smoky raft]

yeah the superior thing is good

don't get me wrong

[tacit oyster]

air runes downgrade to noted pure essence

[toxic vortex]

BA has been a breeze so far

[spring cipher]

i still need to get the eternal slayer ring

[smoky raft]

it's just not a great perk in comparison

[tight thorn]

So Transmute can be an acceptable replacement for soul harvest, then. Decided

[late helm]

How much food are you eating? I can kill most bosses in 10-40 seconds

[low forge]

Either way I needed culling because it took me 3k revs to get the last weapon

I would have necked it if I had to do that without the relic

[smoky raft]

usually? none, or one between kills, though it varies with the boss or if I'm going for any weird CAs

[toxic vortex]

idk if I'd call it a replacement

[smoky raft]

I can kill most bosses in 10-40 seconds as well

[tacit oyster]

depending on build you might need to eat 1 food every couple kills

[smoky raft]

because I didn't pick water mage

[toxic vortex]

it solves needing to gather a ton of essence

but thats all transmute really does for rc

[smoky raft]

man I gotta go to work

I hate job

[late helm]

Ok so you eat 1 piece of food every boss kill. And this outweighs slayer damage boost, picking slayer task, unlimited slayer unlocks, superior spawn increases, free unlocks?

[smoky raft]

yes

half of those are solved by getting 75 points per task

[tight thorn]

Given that I hate BA and need Wrath runes, It must be a replacement.

[old tapir]

you've never seen herblore like this before 🔥 https://i.imgur.com/ja4orxR.gif

[austere depot]

Oh nice, I'm so bad at stealing artefacts I set up a lure by accidentally getting caught

[tacit oyster]

mainly depends what regions you chose. some regions have 0 bosses with slayer task and some are slayer only bosses

[smoky raft]

if culling spree had the gridmaster slayer perk passives, sure

[harsh oyster]

im gonna be real here i can just spam eat karambwans and kill most bosses with nothing more than thorns that alone makes eternal sustenance worth it

[spring cipher]

friendly forager = 🤝

[smoky raft]

but it doesn't

[toxic vortex]

I mean I guess for wrath runes, then yeah. But BA is seriously a breeze

[harsh oyster]

i outheal like. Everything. funny

[smoky raft]

having to actually get a task- even if you can pick it- kills its utility imo

[austere depot]

I picked culling spree purely because slayer+void=funny

[toxic vortex]

you can clear level 5 in a roll in one round

[late helm]

Food is solved by going to the bank and not needing it to begin with

[smoky raft]

Honestly even if it were only for the endurance tasks or bs CAs it would still be worth it

plus, again, zero time

that means no travel time either

[tacit oyster]

vardovis axe enthusiast ca

[late helm]

… like the endurance/CAs that you can use the slayer damage boost for?

[smoky raft]

we've entered a loop

I'm going to work

[fickle jasper]

How about we say both relics are viable and call it a day, kids?

[smoky raft]

I've openly said that

[fickle jasper]

👍

[smoky raft]

All T6 relics are good with different builds

I didn't pick water mage because its DPS is lacking

simple as

[fickle jasper]

Yeah its pretty weak compared to other builds

[harsh oyster]

what IS the highest dps build this leagues anyways

[spring cipher]

i wanna say air mage

[smoky raft]

Prayair, probably

[late helm]

Air mage

[tacit oyster]

air mage

[fickle jasper]

Probably air mage

[harsh oyster]

thats pretty unanimous

[smoky raft]

Earth mage is actually pretty close but also gets access to thorns, something that air doesn't really have

[late helm]

Air mage which you can also spec and build into water mage with

[austere mirage]

while mining i saw a baby imp

[austere depot]

I'm enjoying kcb gaming so far

[harsh oyster]

i tried it for a second but didnt like being turned to dust beause i was still playing with waterthorns mindset of I Literally Cannot Die

[austere mirage]

https://klipy.com/gifs/spider-man-tom-holland-16--k01KR1TCXKH7SPTGT3GB986W7K0

my imp now, 10 points!

[austere depot]

Kind of a blend of good damage and healing

[smoky raft]

earth is good for that

I'd say it's like 70-80% of air dps but it's a lot harder to die

[spring cipher]

https://imgur.com/GjmkI08

melted

[smoky raft]

no inherent healing but you get access to thorns and shield heals

[spring cipher]

u just have to swap to water spells in between to top urself off or use flask like i do to heal up

so i constantly swap between water/air

[harsh oyster]

im not going flask and im bad at swapping because my brain dont work

[spring cipher]

do u see that damage tho and i dont even have all my prayer items yet

[smoky raft]

join the rock thrower alliance

reject the air propaganda

[late helm]

Mage is so busted

[austere depot]

Lithomancy gaming

I'm enjoying the kcb's acc too though

[smoky raft]

I wanted to go melee this league but then they revealed the pacts and that plan went in the shitter

[dense forge]

Holy there are other earth mages?

[toxic vortex]

https://tenor.com/bXvL1.gif

[harsh oyster]

ill stick to waterthorns cause it works for me and if i hit 40 pacts ill go air/water

[late helm]

I respeced into melee after I did all the afk content and points with watermage

Now I’m just doing the fun content I want

[dense forge]

Bluetooth halberd sounded so cool until you thought about it a little bit lol

[late helm]

I wouldn’t mind if it worked with thorns

[toxic vortex]

I mean, yeah. The bluetooth aspect is a bit too much of a meme

[spring cipher]

this is what im running and the goal im going for

[toxic vortex]

Almost nothing truly works at that range

[smoky raft]

does that hit 50?

[toxic vortex]

blindbag has the potential to be truly better

[smoky raft]

Looks like it does

[toxic vortex]

I think it just needs some additional tweaking

1 - give me an actual bag

[dense forge]

Right, I realized that most things are going to walk closer to you and then half your stuff gets turned off because they're 1 tile away

[toxic vortex]

2 - tweak the proc chance

[late helm]

If it had more healing it would be more viable too

[tacit oyster]

need to pick barbarian gatherer for that

[late helm]

I think all builds should have more sustain

[toxic vortex]

3 - I think itd be really funny for the multi-hits to proc individual blindbags, but thats probably asking too much

[past forge]

best fletching xp? need to get fro 58 to 60

[toxic vortex]

I mean thats like nothing for xp

[past forge]

so i can do sins of father

[late helm]

Vale totems if you don’t want to think about it

[toxic vortex]

just make some bows

[dense forge]

One vale totem run lol

[smoky raft]

My current build looks a lot like this

I have tweaked it like a dozen times as I realize how pacts actually work (like the earth regen pact scaling to 20% of your boosted def level, rather than your base level like it claims)

[late helm]

Don’t even think about it. Just go do a lap or 2 around vale totems

[shrewd ermine]

if you want to hyperfocus thorns, should you take as many defense pacts as possible?

so you get to like lv 150 idk how it works

[dense forge]

Defence affects your chance to fully reflect

[smoky raft]

I'd say as many as reasonable. I wouldn't branch out just to reach them unless you're specifically going earth mage for the flat dmg

If earth you'll want to shoot for +55 def (the last +5 node isn't enough to hit a new damage boost)

I went for +60 just because

184 vs 190 when including the regen pact, both round down to +15 flat damage per hitsplat

[wooden hamlet]

GUys I forgot to bring a poison weapon in solo tob, am I cooked?

[fickle jasper]

Nah

You can outdps the purple nylo

[late helm]

Outdamage

[tacit oyster]

depends on how good your dps is, water mage thorns might have issue

[fickle jasper]

Also, if you happen to bring spells for smoke spells, that also can poison it

Though in leagues, it hardly matters

[wooden hamlet]

I am dogger / max hit xbow with armadyl. Ill just try it lets see

[queen thicket]

Even if you couldn't out damage it, you can still kill it relatively fast

But yeah, kill Boss

[spring cipher]

u could also just ignore it

lol

[open garden]

417 kills on cg and no enhanced fml lol

[crude ocean]

does anyone know why the GP from abundance doesn't work for the alchemy room for MTA? It seems the points in this room are also not boosted like the other room? maybe its because i have abundance? So this relic just makes shit harder?

[harsh oyster]

my build atm is just following that one waterthorns build

[crystal kelp]

Different object IDs, same way if you smuggle GP into MTA you can't use it for the alchemy room

[crude ocean]

but its leagues

[tacit oyster]

or if you smuggle items out of mta

[crude ocean]

i toggled off the GP from abundance and i get more points with it off for some reason

[crystal kelp]

Bugs are fun