leagues-general

[real thicket]

feels like taking a sick dog out behind a shed

[fickle thistle]

chat i went minion gang anyways

[tawdry carbon]

i did too because ilove glimbo

[fickle thistle]

full sent it to 20

[crystal kelp]

Yeah bis ring is the ultor I mentioned, melee str ring

[tawdry carbon]

ok guys

After colo/inferno, anything else i should do melee b4 i respec?

[fleet ibex]

Vardo

[tawdry carbon]

vardo doom are finitio

anything else

i wanted to do it all in meleee before switching to afk build to close out the league

[potent quail]

why colo/inferno mellee?

CAs?

[real thicket]

666 jad challenge melee

do it

[tawdry carbon]

that one just takes long

anything quick

[real thicket]

what regions?

[tawdry carbon]

tmk

hmt kcs are done cas are done

[real thicket]

probably not then

[amber sleet]

league specific challenge should be quicker than 18 jad in theory

but 18 jad doesnt really take long from what i've seen

[tawdry carbon]

kk

[amber sleet]

like a few mins with bis builds

[tawdry carbon]

anythign else that is more fun melee

or did i p much do all the heavy hitters left in my regions

[eternal heron]

what's the deal with dfs? can't find a single world not being camped rn

[amber sleet]

done all phosani combat achievements?

[tawdry carbon]

its rare as shit and everyone wants it

[eternal heron]

even mith drags are crazy full

[tawdry carbon]

ahh not all cas. ok.

[real thicket]

drop rate is ass for everyone not in wildy

[tawdry carbon]

good catch

[real thicket]

and it's a good shield

[eternal heron]

fair

[real thicket]

everyone wants to get it rn

[bronze tangle]

Is there a quicker way to switch to ancients without grimoire that travelling all the way to the damn pyramid?

[real thicket]

u have kandarin?

[tawdry carbon]

house? mage cape?

[bronze tangle]

Nope

[real thicket]

construction grind time

[amber sleet]

make house is quickest

could also use max cape but that would assume 99 con

[bronze tangle]

Yeah construction grind it is

Can you do mahogany homes with just zeah?

[amber sleet]

dont think so?

wiki lists mahog homes as an asgarnia thing

iirc

[bronze tangle]

Aight, plank time

[tawdry carbon]

elemental balance

[amber sleet]

if u have like 80m gold laying around u can do ele balances

[tawdry carbon]

if u have gp solve

[uneven stag]

holy crap by some fluke I manage to just barely pass the league-only challenge

[austere mirage]

Why do i get logged out while i have an agro potion on?

[tawdry carbon]

afk timeout setting?

[uneven stag]

I did not think my brain was capable of tracking those prayers for so long

[tawdry carbon]

i had that set too low in my mobile phone

[real thicket]

if u have more than 80m you can do gold sinks

[austere mirage]

but i am using a potion every 6mins

[fickle thistle]

Oh you can summon the minion in the gauntlet? It doesn’t say it on the relic info

[amber sleet]

no

[fickle thistle]

What a pleasant surprise

[tawdry carbon]

i thought it did

[amber sleet]

1 gold sink is 100m

[fickle thistle]

I read it over and couldn’t find it

[amber sleet]

that's 11k xp x16 1 time

[bronze tangle]

Is that 80m for runes or construction cost?

I have transmute so runes is ez

[amber sleet]

for the runes to get you to 99

[real thicket]

yeah, but some ppl took abundance lmao

[amber sleet]

you need like 3.5m of each elemental rune

[tawdry carbon]

i went into league blind

[amber sleet]

that should be enough for balances to 99

[tawdry carbon]

i took abundance tounlcok relics slightly earlier

thats all

if i were to g again, id pick EH os i could shave saved my reload choice

[amber sleet]

so actually it's closer to 60m

not 80

sorry

[uneven stag]

honestly the second I can no longer just brute force my way through pvm using water/thorns, the wheels just come off the bus

I'm so bad

[real thicket]

I took barb gathering on my main and don't regret it

[tawdry carbon]

or that one

abundance to me is the worst of them

[uneven stag]

I'd like to shout out my homeboy, the Minion, who did great work peeling most of the healers off the jads

[real thicket]

barb gathering + friendly forager made so much stuff ez

[shrewd ermine]

what's the best way to do the tzhaar challenges beyond 3? i can get into the rythm but worrying about the healers is a pain and breaks my concentration. not sure if I can just out dps their heals or if I have to kill them.

[tawdry carbon]

sounds like u already found your pain point

[pallid moth]

complaining works

[tawdry carbon]

prioritize players, 1 action at a time

[amber sleet]

don't think too hard about the healers, focus on praying

[real thicket]

just outdps them or switch to ice barrage

[amber sleet]

just click a healer 1 time and let it die if u need to

[tawdry carbon]

one healer at a time , yes
prioritize prayer

[shrewd ermine]

I see

for the league specific challenge, how do i unlock that? is that after I do the 6?

[real thicket]

if no ice barrage, def just outdps them or come back when you have the gear/pact points to outdps them

[amber sleet]

if u have lithic sceptre

u dont need to think about healers at all really

just use the spec when they spawn

[uneven stag]

if I switch off my quadrent then I lose the water spell healing

[shrewd ermine]

sadly no mory

[uneven stag]

which I kinda relied on

[amber sleet]

have fire mage?

[shrewd ermine]

water

[amber sleet]

i see

[uneven stag]

yeah completing 6 will unlock league and infinite challenges

[real thicket]

should still be able to outdps them on water mage?

[uneven stag]

yes

a competent player can definitely benefit from having the lithic sceptre to spec the healers

I am not such a player

[shrewd ermine]

my gear is okay and I dont have a good spell staff

[uneven stag]

though in my limited testing I was able to out-dps the heals without peeling using water magic

[shrewd ermine]

or shoes

[uneven stag]

assuming I didn't whiff too many shots

[real thicket]

me neither, I just used bbc and one shot the jads when the crossbow decided to gamble properly

until then I focused on prayer and not dying

lottery cannon provides

[pallid moth]

auto-retal + minion + bbc = ez jad challenge

[crystal kelp]

Something wrong with your suffering? Not imbued?

[shrewd ermine]

it is imbued. just no ring of recoil

[real thicket]

yeah, should be ez

[crystal kelp]

Ahh, knew it looked funny

[real thicket]

might be slowish but like you should be able to outdps them

[shrewd ermine]

ill just come back to it when I have better stuff

[real thicket]

think the healers only heal like 10 dps?

[shrewd ermine]

i only wanted to get the 3 out of the way

[real thicket]

for jad

[shrewd ermine]

do i need to know mechanics for vardorvis or can I just ignore it?

[amber sleet]

for normal no as a thorns tank build

[crystal kelp]

If you have 1t staff you'll out DPS healers for Jad easy

[amber sleet]

ive seen it afk'd

[real thicket]

6.25–10 HP/sec for jad healers

[amber sleet]

for awakened u need to pray properly

the prayers will stack you out otherwise

[shrewd ermine]

I do. I tried to out dps it but holy shit it took forever. maybe just took too long

[crystal kelp]

Can ignore tbh

[shrewd ermine]

I have pray pierce if that helps

[real thicket]

is that trident of the sea?

[shrewd ermine]

toxic

[amber sleet]

not what i meant

he doesnt pray

[real thicket]

oh yeah, shouldn't really be that bad then

[amber sleet]

he makes u offtick pray

[shrewd ermine]

ah

[amber sleet]

but that's awakened

not normal

[crystal kelp]

?

Regular Vard does turn off your prayer too

[amber sleet]

well

it's a lot easier to do though

you dont need to tick perfect normal

[shrewd ermine]

so i dont have evil eye to tp to vardorvis and I apparently need desert to reclaim the ring?

[crystal kelp]

Run from fairy ring bls

[amber sleet]

iirc u can take the boat there

[potent quail]

4th crystal armor seed T.T
and second enhanced lmao

[next dust]

is this too much? or a good buff suggestion

[crystal kelp]

Gz

[next dust]

with the current thatd be at 75%*

[crystal kelp]

I honestly don't think Jagex care

[tawdry carbon]

it removes a cool sense of identity imo cuz the xbow has max hit and the %chance for more echo.

[potent quail]

i think thats fine and makes bow the "spam taging echo" weapon

[real thicket]

I don't even think bows would be that bad if they just removed the whole "resets when taking damage" thing

[next dust]

xbow is perfectly fine

[tawdry carbon]

bows shoulda done something cool like any bow becomes a venator and it can bounce to single targets extra or some shit.

[crystal kelp]

That was such a weird decision of them

[tawdry carbon]

id rather trees feel more unique imo

[next dust]

thats what thrown weapons have

[potent quail]

Xbow is 1 big hit slow
thrown waepon is aoe
bow is fast and many ranged echoes

[real thicket]

yeah, kind of kills it

[shrewd ermine]

so do I rowboat from these two points?

[real thicket]

like the damage ramping is fine, but like... damn, not everyone is woox

[crystal kelp]

This woulda been cool "bounces to all enemies in a 5x5 area" or something

[crystal kelp]

Yes

[uneven stag]

Is there some trick to starting the vardorvis fight? He seems to just... stand there not attacking and not letting me damage him

[next dust]

thrown does have this

[crystal kelp]

Hit him with not mage

[tired quiver]

Without Transmute/Abundance/Larcenist and with Kandarin, what would be a good way of cash making, just gem cutting?

[real thicket]

the good ol chinchompa node

[crystal kelp]

Starting again

[tired quiver]

so just gem cutting then xD

[real thicket]

fun fact, you can max hit for like 40ish with a chinchompa this league

[shrewd ermine]

[real thicket]

the build sucks but it's fun to throw chinchompas at stuff

[crystal kelp]

Rip

[shrewd ermine]

i guess this is all I can do then

[crystal kelp]

Gotta run from the south gate ig

[shrewd ermine]

should've gone evil eye I guess too :(

[potent quail]

well shitXD i missclicked

[shrewd ermine]

cause moons and this are going to be ass

[real thicket]

you've been there too long

red prison is killing your brain cells

[crystal kelp]

I would just not do vard

[tawdry carbon]

the moment i saw it was bossing related, remembering all the trips for bosses on my main, i was like "yeah im fucking picking this" lol

[real thicket]

• we have huey bank

[tawdry carbon]

huey bank so nice

[shrewd ermine]

I thought bank heist would've been better because there are so many banks. tbf it is great for that but I see where it bites me in the ass

[tawdry carbon]

huey has a bank tho :p

[potent quail]

XD
i am complaining a bit, but i am very aware this grind so far is nothing. just having a fun time actually

[real thicket]

1k hydras bro

1k hydras

[tawdry carbon]

my fav grind was grinding for vorky pet on ds2 release

i bought the vorkath mouse mat too

loved the quest loved the music loved solving teh boss

11/10 game experience for me

loved it so much i bought merch and farmed the pet lmao

[real thicket]

hydras boss is like 40 seconds of it waddling around the room over vents and 5 seconds of actually murdering it

[tawdry carbon]

i got spooned at 2400kc too

[real thicket]

hurts my soul

[tawdry carbon]

2400? lemme check

yea just about

hella spooned

im sure its way faster to farm now though

with the power creep thats happened after 2020

at least i assume so

[potent quail]

oh yeah thats not fun

[shrewd ermine]

i dunno how to go through

[real thicket]

think it honestly killed the league for me, trying to brush it off but league just doesn't hit the same now

killing yama and doom for fun, but the motivation just isn't there

it is what it is, runescape's drop rates are part of what makes the game

[shrewd ermine]

do I fr have to cross ts every time I want to fight this boss? 😭

[crystal kelp]

Maybe you can't...?

[shrewd ermine]

holy shit

I would've reloaded evil eye if I knew it was going to be this bad

[crystal kelp]

During Leagues, the League Navigator can transport players from Quetzacalli Gorge to the Stranglewood.

[ripe turtle]

evil eye stays winning

[crystal kelp]

From wiki

[potent quail]

no way

[crystal kelp]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/League_Navigator

[shrewd ermine]

alrighty

[crystal kelp]

Learn something new every day.

[real thicket]

28m prayer xp/hr with wildy btw, evil eye is is goat

[next dust]

right so ive reached the same point as my ironman

done all my skilling goals

[shrewd ermine]

could be worse I guess

[next dust]

reached where i "have to do pvm"

and idk what to do

like ive NO idea

[crystal kelp]

Pvm

[real thicket]

pvm

[crystal kelp]

Slayer is a decent start

[next dust]

idk what i SHOULD be doing tho

ive that at 99

ive like the entire game almost all 99 hah

just prayer and herb to finish

[tough finch]

Just go bossing for upgrades and pacts if you still need them?

[next dust]

in leagues*

but idk what to really do

[ripe turtle]

minion or executioner axe?

[crystal kelp]

Did you go to 99 slayer with no boss tasks?

[next dust]

somewhat

[crystal kelp]

Minion is constant DPS, axe big hit at end

[next dust]

amox kinda

[real thicket]

yeah, if you haven't done bosses yet, def run down the remaining demonic pacts

[ripe turtle]

yeh

[crystal kelp]

I guess start with echo bosses

[ripe turtle]

oh and for double raid region

[next dust]

idk theyre all like "inferno"

and "jad tasks"

[tawdry carbon]

flask of fervor == minion >>> axe (but people will love u for having axe if ur raid heavy)

[kind cairn]

I'm kinda torn between whether I should take Minion for the consistent damage it does and the little utlity it provides vs. the Axe which will essentially guarantee me a spot in raids

[tawdry carbon]

id argue flask is slightly > minion but im preferential

[real thicket]

killing jad is always a good start

[next dust]

no the multiple

[ripe turtle]

yeh that's what i'm thinking

[shrewd ermine]

is this the only way to reach the boss or is there something in the temple?

[tawdry carbon]

u will have spots in raids regardless of axe imo

[crystal kelp]

Nobody in raids cares about your t8

[tawdry carbon]

^^^

[next dust]

but idk what "gear exists" and "what i should waste my time doing"

[real thicket]

3 jads is basically just 1 jad

[next dust]

farming anything is loss progress

[ripe turtle]

like minion is sweet for non-raids, axe is great for raids

[crystal kelp]

Should be able to run from the top?

[next dust]

and loss time

[ripe turtle]

plus instantly killing bloat is funny

[kind cairn]

I've been specifically asked if I have an axe or not before

[shrewd ermine]

ill give it a try

[crystal kelp]

Wild

[ripe turtle]

do u know if axe executes verzik

[real thicket]

enter your regions/relic choices, switch to the gear tab

[crystal kelp]

https://leaguesplanner.com/

[real thicket]

it'll tell you what's in your area in a sorted list

[crystal kelp]

It does

[ripe turtle]

sweet

just p3 or p1/2 as well?

[real thicket]

I swear I just posted that and a bot deleted it lmao

[ripe turtle]

if u know

[crystal kelp]

HMT verzik forces her enrage phase so your team has to do some DPS then you axe it proper dead

[real thicket]

yeah, def use that build planner if you don't know what gear/where to go

[crystal kelp]

Everything

[ripe turtle]

okie dokie axe it is then lmao

[crystal kelp]

Rune yapper rank lets me post links

[crystal kelp]

For the record, I have axe and it's fun

[real thicket]

you can sort all the equipment you have access to and see what's bis for your regions and where to get it

[ripe turtle]

the yapper

[ripe turtle]

yeh I just can't find something like flask fun tbh

[crystal kelp]

Flask overrated imo, good for burst aoe damage but that's it

[glacial ridge]

is there a way to craft perfected quetz whistle without access to redwood?

[real thicket]

for example

[crystal kelp]

Transmute?

[glacial ridge]

i know it that redwood totem task gets completed when u do magic totem

no transmute

[crystal kelp]

Rip

[kind cairn]

Can you do Castle Wars with just 1 person on each team?

[crystal kelp]

Shades of morton

[crystal kelp]

Yes

[kind cairn]

so me and a friend can just feed eachother?

[crystal kelp]

Yes

[crystal kelp]

Maybe do some castlewars too 😏

[real thicket]

castle wars is peak content

nothing like 2006 runescape and 1 dude in there ice barraging ppl

[tawdry carbon]

they are just losers

ignore

[formal gulch]

!!

[versed root]

best theiving without larceny?

[formal gulch]

I actually did it. I did the Leagues-Only special challenge.

[uneven stag]

how feasible is awakened vardorvis as water/thorns? the regular fight I can pretty much afk, stand in one spot, flick to ranged and otherwise ignore mechs

[formal gulch]

Camp protect mage and pray to Armadyl that the Jads all pick mage.

[crystal kelp]

#leagues-general message

Whatever replies you got last time

[versed root]

i dont think i got @ d

[formal gulch]

Also no one mentions that the Jads attack faster the less Jads there are.

[uneven stag]

I wasn't getting the rng for that, but I made do with 'camp mage unless I see 2+ consecutive ranged coming'

[crystal kelp]

I did it with water thorns, but you probably need to engage with some mechanics

[fickle thistle]

The axes are a death sentence

You can’t get hit by them

[shrewd ermine]

im super confused with vardorvis' prayer disable mechanic. I get hit, but I can't immediately turn it on and my ping is fine. is that intentional?

[thorny terrace]

3/4 for sra and 2/3 for ultor :(

[crystal kelp]

You pray ranged against the head thing

[thorny terrace]

stuck at the threshold just like in the main game

[crystal kelp]

And then back to melee

[crystal kelp]

Next KC double drop surely

[shrewd ermine]

ah ok

[thorny terrace]

i just got 4/4 for sra l0l

complaining works

[shrewd ermine]

btw even though im on a mage thorns build should I switch to melee? I feel like im just splashing for the most part

I know he has a higher magic defense

[amber sleet]

how much accuracy do u have?

[uneven stag]

yeah it says in the chat 'you are wounded and can't pray'

[uneven stag]

small delay before you can put overhead back on, penalty for failing the mechanic

[amber sleet]

you need to pray ranged when the green arrow is coming or else it will turn off your prayer yes

[shrewd ermine]

I have 55+ accuracy bonus in pacts

[amber sleet]

how much in your pacts though

that isnt much

[shrewd ermine]

and crystal blessing

[amber sleet]

he is really tanky at the start of the fight even to melee

[shrewd ermine]

I have corrupted blade from gauntlet too so maybe I use that

[amber sleet]

but less to melee

[shrewd ermine]

thankfully my thorns is somewhat developed

[amber sleet]

might be worth going melee instead unless it makes your sustain a lot worse

up to you

[uneven stag]

I'm not sure as water/thorns if I should be wearing melee tank armour or crystal for the blessing bonus

[tawdry carbon]

tank

more thorns dps

read the blessing effect carefully

[wary egret]

can i spend marks of grace if i dont have asg?

[tawdry carbon]

i was told no

[uneven stag]

oh. Magic POWERED weapons

!£%!^&£$*

[real thicket]

the gear itself with blessing is still pretty good for mage, just not amazing if you're hard casting

[thorny terrace]

you wanna change to pray ranged before it hits, then back to melee again. if you get hit by it, you cant pray for like 4 or 5 ticks

[real thicket]

but if their thorns/mage def worth wearing

[tawdry carbon]

if theyre thorns and not powered staves (i.e. casting water), id wear the tank gear

[real thicket]

it's just the fancy crystal bonuses only work with melee/powered staffs

yeah, probably wear the tank gear

[merry sphinx]

lol how has this happened

[copper skiff]

im using mystic robes n stuff is it worth to upgrade to blue moon or go for something else

[tawdry carbon]

blue moon is %damage, and its a task. depends on how slow your moon kills are.

[formal gulch]

Go for Virtus.

[crystal kelp]

The water spells is to heal, thorns are for dps

You heal regardless of splashing or not

[real thicket]

blue moon is amazing mage gear

[shrewd ermine]

gotcha, so probably just do melee and water mage I guess

[crystal kelp]

Random pathing/ dragging

[uneven stag]

I feel really dumb now

[real thicket]

the league basically solves accuracy on most setups and blue moon is 8% magic damage so

[copper skiff]

ok ill go for full set cause i have 50% pen and i still cant hurt the thermo echo boss

bro wont take damage so i assume i need more damage lol

[real thicket]

thermy can be rough

[copper skiff]

i figured blue moon with my 50% pen and occult necklace ill be able to do it easier

[livid slate]

https://tenor.com/view/far-cry-release-me-joseph-seed-gif-12887358985963630884

[chilly pine]

was there a way to trigger the 50 million prayer exp task? opening the task / area / relic menu doesn't work

[formal gulch]

What is that?

[crystal kelp]

Bury a bone

[livid slate]

Do a normal prayer offering at libation bowl

[formal gulch]

Give a dog a bone, this old man came running home.

[uneven stag]

so I've got torag's helm, dharok chest/legs, ring of suffering, toermented bracelet, occult neck, quadrent, crystal shield, inferno cape and crystal blessing because I guess there aren't many good options for blessing and this gives +5 pray bonus

[chilly pine]

burying a bone, scattering ashes doesn't do it either

[mighty zodiac]

what armour do i use for water thorns? ZKM if that changes things

[amber sleet]

barrows/justi

[crystal kelp]

Justy

[uneven stag]

I guess in theory I should be geared enough for tob and uhhh <insert other high-end pvm I don't know about yet>

[livid slate]

Blessed bone shards, do a normal prayer offering

[mighty zodiac]

so while i can't get justiciars due to skill issue, just melee tank armour?

[chilly pine]

what is a normal offering? all my prayer exp is from the liberation bowl

[livid slate]

I'm guessing with soul harvest?

[chilly pine]

without soul harvest

[crystal kelp]

Ye barrows

[real thicket]

guthans/torags/dharoks from barrows

[livid slate]

That is odd, people with soul harvest did a normal offering at the bowl and it fixed

[shrewd ermine]

yay

now to get melted by awakened lol

[kind cairn]

Do i keep Dragon Hunter Lance or feed it to my minion?

[sage wing]

Anybody wanna team up for trio speedrun on Hueycoatl?

[steep arrow]

Feed that boy some lance

[real thicket]

feed it to the minion

[steep arrow]

He earned it

[livid slate]

Focus on keeping your prayer up with the switches

You can tank an axe or two if you eat

But without prayer you will instantly die

[steep arrow]

Speaking of feeding minion, I gave mine zammy robes and DHL already, what else can you feed him? Is it basically one of every zammy item, or is it slot based?

[crystal kelp]

Clue stuff

[shrewd ermine]

yeah I focused the prayer more for sure. is the prayer more punishing if I mess up the mechanic or does it actually force me to react faster?

[crystal kelp]

Capes if wildy

[real thicket]

nearly every zammy item

[kind cairn]

do you have kandarin?

[real thicket]

he's pretty generous

[livid slate]

Any non dupe zammy item

[tawdry carbon]

auemex

[crystal kelp]

Oathplate

[livid slate]

that is equipable*

[surreal kiln]

unique pieces

[steep arrow]

So like I could do zammy rune chest, and zammy dhide chest and he'll just say yummy yummy and get 4+ max hit?

[livid slate]

?

[steep arrow]

That's insane

I can legit feed that boy like 30 max hits lol

[tawdry carbon]

i dont think i ahve anything elft to do in melee

i think its time to respec

[kind cairn]

Minion wiki page

[livid slate]

Correct

[real thicket]

it caps at 5 itemss

[crystal kelp]

Capped

[steep arrow]

awww

[tawdry carbon]

cuz its just afk farming at this point

[regal spindle]

is it regular onyx bolts(rune) that people are regenerating and then selling? or enchanted? or what

[steep arrow]

Should let you go up more if you feed him some oathplate

you kinda earned it at that point

[crystal kelp]

10, 5 items no?

[kind cairn]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Minion_(Demonic_Pacts_League)
just checkmark what areas you have unlocked and it shows you all the Zammy items you can feed your minion

[real thicket]

if it wasn't capped, I took wildy, it would be stronger than me

[crystal kelp]

If it wasn't capped, everyone would take it

[livid slate]

Nah

Axers would still take axe

Flaskers would still take flask

[tawdry carbon]

i will always take minion because i love glimbo

[crystal kelp]

I am an axer and if it wasn't capped would take it

[real thicket]

I don't think anyone actually took axe

[tawdry carbon]

me with my minion whistle

[livid slate]

I've seen plenty of axes at ToB

[crystal kelp]

Axe is big fun at raids

[livid slate]

It's the eternal sustenance axe combo for braindead ToB clears

[real thicket]

it being a ranged attack that can miss is obscene

[crystal kelp]

It misses?

[livid slate]

It can, lmao

[real thicket]

I haven't seen anyone ingame that took axe tbh

not one

[livid slate]

If it ain't at ToB

[real thicket]

maybe just region diff

[livid slate]

They ain't gonna take it

[crystal kelp]

Never seen mine miss

[regal spindle]

is it regular onyx bolts(rune) that people are regenerating and then selling? or enchanted? or what

[real thicket]

dragon onyx bolt (e)

and mostly ppl with cox

cause 1 tick crab puzzle = money printer go brrrr

[crystal kelp]

I saw a vid of someone doing it with ralos for blessed quiver task

[steep arrow]

The moment I heard homeboy noted all my drops, I IMMEDIATELY snatched him up

[real thicket]

he's my ava's device lmao

[crystal kelp]

I just don't pick shit up anyway

[steep arrow]

He doesn't even gotta do damage, if he just picks shit up for me, we're chill

[real thicket]

picks up my ammo, I took it for that

everything else was a +

[crystal kelp]

I regenerate my ammo

Why would I need it picked up?

[real thicket]

I did until i respec'd

[sage wing]

Anybody wanna team up for Hueycoatl speedruns? Would preferably want someone with fast attack speed pacts

[steep arrow]

bros a little minion from diablo 3 + a roided out thrall

[real thicket]

plus I want to sell the ammo

[crystal kelp]

Which regions you took?

[real thicket]

wtz

[livid slate]

Minion can easily solve prayer and herblore/farming with looting for you

Ezpz

[real thicket]

zeah was a mistake

it's literally my only regret on my main account

my friend wanted to do cox

[livid slate]

I heard Zeah was really good?

[steep arrow]

also if you get a metal dragon task, he can net you like 1k+ bars

[real thicket]

region is useless to me otherwise

I found solice in a dinh's bulwark

[livid slate]

Yeah smithing solve as well

[crystal kelp]

"solved" is such a funny thing because it doesn't need solving unless you're going for dragon which I'm notn

[steep arrow]

I did steels and got around 1k steel bars and some rune bars too

[crystal kelp]

Even then it's questionable

I have 93 prayer and it's enough

95 herblore from butler

[tawdry carbon]

me tagging very single hill giant with 1t staff because it was on the way to a clue step

[hearty spruce]

Anyone down for trouble brewing

[bronze sphinx]

Really copiuming for more resets, i bricked my last resets allocations, rip

[real thicket]

if I could double back and repick regions I would have went wmd

[crystal kelp]

My smithing solve was zalcano drops and crystal armour

[steep arrow]

with them adding resets, I'm shocked they didn't add infinitely refundable resets for everything depending on echo boss kills or something

[livid slate]

Minion is used to solve skills for QoL and a dps increase

[real thicket]

it'd also be thematic because I spent 80% of the league on a bbc build and it is a wmd

[uneven stag]

wow coming back to colleseum with actual tank gear and ~100% more accuracy is a night and day difference

[livid slate]

Flask is used to solve a skill issue

[past birch]

Lmao what

Jad??

[real thicket]

everytime I saw a blindbag melee build I laughed with my king's barrage

[crystal kelp]

He was scrolled hella up

[uneven stag]

a did my first and only clear a couple days ago, using crystal gear and water spells (don't @ me) and stuh-RUGGLED

[livid slate]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-eating-michael-jackson-gif-11786299

[past birch]

I did jad when I was 4 years old

[uneven stag]

okay zoomer

[steep arrow]

oh god.. Jad came out when I was like 20 already

🧓

[past birch]

I was 2

[amber sleet]

i killed jad when he was still inside the womb

beat that

[real thicket]

do you also remember when range was interuppted when something got into melee with you?

[uneven stag]

fight caves came out a month and 2 days before I turned 20

[crystal kelp]

I killed Jad when I was in yo mamma

[regal spindle]

what is the greatest source of herbs so i can try and get training this trash

[steep arrow]

I don't recall that, but I do recall absolutely HATING lugging around my sleeping bag for fatigue lol

[uneven stag]

multi-tasking five! ✋

[surreal kiln]

I remember the webpages when they released KQ

[crystal kelp]

Butler or farming

[amber sleet]

mushroom men

[steep arrow]

those captchas really messed me up

[surreal kiln]

thats like my old memory

🤣

was that before or after firecape, cuz I have no idea

[amber sleet]

blindbaggers know why mushroom is the right choice

[steep arrow]

You gonna secretly throw a mushroom at the enemy and teleport them to the church in ardy?

[real thicket]

do they lick it and hallucinate?

[amber sleet]

no im gonna pull out my mushroom and huff its fumes instead of whipping out my dramen staff to bonk the enemy like an idiot

[real thicket]

lmao the dramen staff patch note

[steep arrow]

Imagine if you could actually just teleport an NPC

[crystal kelp]

You're all wrong. Doing mushrooms is the only way blindbag is tolerable

[bronze sphinx]

Just need 1 more total reset lol. Thats it, 1 😄

[steep arrow]

"Cya Zuk, enjoy Civilas west bank"

[real thicket]

is anyone here actually max gear with a blind bag build? like the ranged echoes dps one?

can you go hit gem crab with the dps meter plugin on? what does it do?

[amber sleet]

i dont have scythes but otherwise yes

and scythes would not be a very big dps increase for me

[real thicket]

I'm super curious what the dps actually is

[amber sleet]

it's

okay

not amazing but good enough

[real thicket]

afaik the only thing higher dps than maxed king's barrage was air mage but I haven't seen anyone in a max blindbag go do a dps test

[amber sleet]

you deal more damage than a water mage but with no sustain or tankiness

[bronze sphinx]

I went ham + dfs blindbag, the scythe proc un equips shield 😄

[amber sleet]

they fixed that for unkitted scythes allegedly

[real thicket]

damn, that's actually kind of sad

[bronze sphinx]

Not fixed 🙂

[amber sleet]

for real? so they just lied on the patch notes?

cool

[real thicket]

was hoping melee would be strong, the pacts all looked really cool

[bronze sphinx]

I still unequip shield.

[real thicket]

but thorns seems like the only winner

[amber sleet]

and u have a non kitted scythe right?

just regular scythe?

[livid slate]

I think blindbag is unfortunately only viable with the hurricane build

Other than that.. it's kinda too buggy/inconsistent

[amber sleet]

the hurricane build isnt much if any better than nally+crystal

you can only get as many procs as your attack speed with blindbag so in reality you are cannibalizing many blindbag proc instances by having more attack speed

gnomonkey was running tobs with it and he was doing less dps than crystal + hally users a lot of the time

[livid slate]

where hurricane is strong is the ranged echoes

[crystal kelp]

Jagex are dogshit for this

[livid slate]

Which the double hit works

which is also ironic

[real thicket]

I'm disappointed they basically abandoned the league 2 weeks in and said it is what it is

[crystal kelp]

I hate the fact they said "most builds will be around the same DPS" and it's just not true

[real thicket]

like it runs for 2 months

fix shit

[amber sleet]

hurricane build is probably better specifically when you cannot use the 7 tile range

[bronze sphinx]

I went dins blindbag with torva and it just didnt pay off 😛

[amber sleet]

but otherwise nally crystal is going to be the same or better dps

[crystal kelp]

We are out of the golden phase or whatever they called it

[real thicket]

yeah, honestly

[crystal kelp]

Genuinely the end of the golden period was sailing, they just stopped putting in effort after

[real thicket]

jagex just doesn't know how to make money without raising membership prices, what you gonna do

[bronze sphinx]

Guessing odds on additonal pact resets are 0, rip

[amber sleet]

jagex doesn't know what 0.10*0.25 is apparently

[crystal kelp]

I think they'll give a couple

[bronze sphinx]

Really hope so.

Because my dragon hopes are off till then haha

[amber sleet]

let's just give everyone else a capstone that doubles their dps and blindbag gets 3% damage increase

[bronze sphinx]

and has to use 5 bag slots!

[real thicket]

league playercount is still super strong and they're like... nah, we're good, gonna go make a new island

gonna put a crystal daggonoth on it

maybe a tree plot

[crystal kelp]

PVM content was
Doom
F2P cow

[steep arrow]

awakened crystal daggonoth kings rex-supreme

Rexeme?

[real thicket]

I'd farm that

gimme a crystal daggonoth pet, tf wants a gerbil or some mishapen cow

[uneven stag]

oh can you not combine echo boots in leagues to replenish charges?

[crystal kelp]

Probably just need to put on the new boots ig

[uneven stag]

unfortunate, seems like an oversight but oh well

[crystal kelp]

Sounds like something they just didn't think of

[uneven stag]

that last colleseum run gave me 2 pairs, and the last piece I needed for the fanatic set

[bronze sphinx]

an oversite was allowing shadowflame staff to let water heal you twice, even if you splash 😄

[uneven stag]

that seems like it was intentional though?

[steep arrow]

They were on their fun allowed saga with that idea

[crystal kelp]

The healing is based on water runes regen

Then additional healing based on DPS

[uneven stag]

nah deep water spec is % of damage dealt

[bronze sphinx]

Regen is 1-2's
Deep water is % but it seems on splash you still overheal +20

[crystal kelp]

Oh I see

[real thicket]

1-2 per rune

[crystal kelp]

Whenever your combat spells Regenerate water runes, you're healed for 1 per rune regenerated

[uneven stag]

regen is one per rune, which is always 1-2 if you're using powered staffs and the 'powered recharge counts for 1 rune' pact

[crystal kelp]

You use like 10 runes for water surge and regen all 10 at least

[bronze sphinx]

Oh per rune yeah ok so you regen 20 LOL

there it is 😄

So you could waterthorns without shadowflame and just loose dps i suppose

lol.

[real thicket]

it doesn't even do anything ice barrage

btw

[crystal kelp]

Shadowflame is such a big boost to a build

[real thicket]

I'm not actually sure it's that much better than a harmonized nightmare staff, like it's clearly better but I doubt it's substantial

[crystal kelp]

I'd go as far as to say it's mandatory

[uneven stag]

yeah deep water spec with water surge you are healing 10-20 for the runes spent plus 84% of damage dealt if using the quadrent

[bronze sphinx]

Yeah but if you want to go for a free colleseum/inferno and yo udon't have kand. You could still chill on water thorns lol

[uneven stag]

and hps

[crystal kelp]

I don't think you'd have enough healing, but maybe if you had full inventory of food

[uneven stag]

the quadrent gives you an extra 24% damage-based healing

[real thicket]

offhand doesn't work for thorns tho

[torn lynx]

Shadowflame + element is almost double the dps I believe

[uneven stag]

that's the devil's element

the shadowflame quadrant is the staff echo thermy drops

[real thicket]

oh right mb

mixed up name

[uneven stag]

if you get the quadrant AND the elemnt I'd say switch to air/water but I'm not an authority of good knowledge 🤣

I'm tempted to try getting the element and give that a go

but I like my braindead waterthron setup

[bronze sphinx]

Water thorns can afk zuk if you pick 1 corner

I respecced on my alt out of waterthorns to try a light melee>ballista meme

[crystal kelp]

Air is such good DPS but no healing

[uneven stag]

yeah air is for people who can play the game, I think

[amber sleet]

cant u just take water as well

and throw a water spell when u need healing?

[real thicket]

dps calc on wiki for water thorns build says quadrant is like 10% more effective dps than harmonized

like idk if it's fully working for pacts, it says it is, but like that's kind of what I assumed it would be for water/thorns

apparently with devil's element, harmonized does more dps

idk

[mighty zodiac]

finally did my demonic gorillas, 3 zenytes/4

[real thicket]

wiki weird

[potent quail]

that seems wrong, isnt quadrant alone a x2 on damage?

oh wait wind weakness nvm

[real thicket]

harmonized is 2 tick instead of 3 tick too with pact for faster casting and stuff too

[potent quail]

yeah on wind weak enemys quadrant becomes replacable depending on the situation

[real thicket]

I just used water surge vs a gemstone crab for both, maybe that's wrong

[vocal tartan]

has anyone seen a hotfoot run circle yet

[cursive glacier]

Quadrant is 1.4x damage every 3t vs 1x damage every 2t for harm (eg 1.5x every 3t)

[real thicket]

also the dps sucks, but it's water and I think we all knew that

[mighty zodiac]

ok so if i pick barrows here is it just one per barrows or one per barrows chest

[amber sleet]

per brother

[tacit oyster]

per brother

[real thicket]

yeah that checks out

[mighty zodiac]

per brother is nice

[amber sleet]

kinda but iirc their xp isnt great

[cursive glacier]

So if you dont need the defense swapping aspect, harm is slightly better, and gives you more regen procs. But its very nice to get the weakness swap on stuff its applicable to

[potent quail]

you need to use quadrant against a enemy with a elemental weakness

[amber sleet]

it's nice if u are farming barrows specifically though

[real thicket]

right, true

[potent quail]

nvm me bad

but yeha against somethign weak to water
harmonized staff is better with water surge

[real thicket]

holy fk, is this actually the dps this stuff does

what are you water mages doing

holy hell

[potent quail]

[real thicket]

this shit is all sub 20

[royal heart]

are marks of grace any use in leagues apart from the make stamina pots task?

[real thicket]

like this is painful lmao

[potent quail]

i am more amazed how good harmonized staff is wtf

[real thicket]

I do 28 dps with a king's barrage

fk magic

[toxic vortex]

Graceful set if you took asgarnia

[potent quail]

btw it assumes you are at max hp with the hp capstones (so 188 if you took them all)

[crystal kelp]

Have you done nightmare? I'd rather do less DPS than go there for a drop

[real thicket]

you're not even wrong

[amber sleet]

now the real question is do i want to flood my inventory with boppers?

[real thicket]

yeah, I took them all anyway

on the pact tree

[potent quail]

? the more hp you have the more damage your water spell does

[real thicket]

I expected the number to be a lot higher

but ig tl;dr harmonized actually isn't that far off if your not using devil offhand

shit to get tho

[velvet hornet]

so i got no real melee area, im asgarnia, kand, wildy is it worth rerolling blind bag or it just not that impressive?

ive got good range and mage setup

[potent quail]

can you ahrmonized and devils together

[velvet hornet]

just wonderin

[potent quail]

people dont like it

[real thicket]

yeah the dps is a lot higher

[short cave]

does time tracker work in leagues?

for farming runs

[real thicket]

it's still fkn awful dps but I now understand why that water dude earlier was struggling with jad healers

like he'll win while ignoring him but the fight is going to take 2x-3x as along

[potent quail]

if healers heal jad to full they respawn again at 50% hp

so in theory it could take forever

[real thicket]

they heal like 8 hps so I think most builds can outdps by some extent

[potent quail]

also if you have desert or grim

all the barrage spells have a HIGHER max hit then all the surge spells

So ice/smoke barrage are great upgrades

[real thicket]

but if staff dude is only doing like 13-18 dps, yeah that sucks

[real thicket]

they don't work with quadrant

fyi

[torn lynx]

Why not? You can make them elemental spells

[real thicket]

water weakness =/= ice barrage apparently

yeah, we tested a couple days ago

stick doesn't care

about the pacts

[crystal kelp]

I think the wording is they count for rune regen not as elemental weaknesses

[potent quail]

ah right

the staff speciifcly says second projectile only on standard spellbook spells

[tame flax]

i got no idea what hunter rumors to block on leagues

[real thicket]

yeah, well that part was never going to work

but neither does the rest of the stick

[potent quail]

When using elemental spells on the standard spellbook with the quadrant equipped, an additional spell will be fired, dealing 40% of the damage of the first attack.
only this part doesnt work

[potent quail]

nani

that should be a bug

[real thicket]

it def is a bug

maybe jagex will fix it

(lol)

[sleek quail]

I wanted to double check. Does unlocking the desert unlock Guardians of the Rift? (not sure how, isn't the portal in the wizard's tower)?

[torn lynx]

But...they count as the element for other calculations...like with the bbc specing into water healing lets it's ice barrage aspect heal you like a water spell would, and it's not off regening water runes but the damage itself

It also gets bonus damage that would apply to water spells based on hp

[real thicket]

the ice damage is spell damage

the accuracy roll is ranged tho

[potent quail]

nmhh idk

intuitivly this implies to me that water weaknesses would work

but i could see a reading where it doesnt

[real thicket]

yeah, what's what my friend thought too before he tested

I didn't go kandarin on any acc so I can't get on and do it myself, so it's a kind of hearsay but I watched him stream what he was doing and something def doesn't check out

I was doing melee on a 2nd account and went asgarnia/desert/morty and melee is so dogshit, I want to go water thorns or something

so I guess harmonized grind it is

if my dps is going to suck, I might as well be nearly immortal

if anyone is starting/going again on another account, go wilderness and try king's barrage, it'll blow your mind

[torn lynx]

Best of both worlds, cbow build

Damage of the air spells, healing of the water spells, easier to pull off than either of them

[real thicket]

dps vs jad isn't an issue if you just roll well and one shot him from 100% hp

[torpid current]

evil eye doesnt tp me to gem crab. i feel scammed /j

[potent quail]

no shot

[wary egret]

stamina yama contract is aids

[dusky mauve]

man fang of the hound is so shit tf

[jovial tiger]

Only if you don't have torva

[dusky mauve]

how troll

[jovial tiger]

Thing wrecked nex for me

[shrewd ermine]

yay culling

[dusky mauve]

i mean why do i need max melee for the echo weapon to be good

[torpid current]

the balance in this league not good tbf, and it a shame they say they not planning to tweak the balance

[jovial tiger]

Same reason water mage needs no items to be god

[torpid current]

i tried like 3 diff builds respeccing and they all kinda were meh so i just went back to water mage + thorns

[dusky mauve]

bruh im not going to do nex with these shitty weapons man

[potent quail]

it needs quadrix

[shrewd ermine]

im fine with them not tweaking the balance. it's not hurting anyone. I heard they weren't going to fix bugs though that kind of sucks

[torpid current]

it kinda does make it less fun tho

[shrewd ermine]

don't mage thorns then if it's not fun for you?

[amber sleet]

it's hurting blindbag

[torpid current]

if u specced into anything that isnt crossbow or water mage u gona have a bad time xd

[torpid current]

no i mean i want the other builds to be more fun

[shrewd ermine]

oh alright

i was trying to be rude btw

[torpid current]

i did try othert stuff like a fang of the hounds build, a fire mage build,

[crystal kelp]

Dogger

[torpid current]

i wanted to try a smoke mage build but realised the pacts are wacky for that xd

[burnt stump]

leagues water thorns inferno - somewhat familiar with the start but never got past wave 60-ish main game. do I bring crystal shield or devil's element?

[crystal kelp]

Crystal shield

[burnt stump]

or ig both

[crystal kelp]

Thorns doesn't work with element

[burnt stump]

ait ty

[shrewd ermine]

WASN'T LOL

[torpid current]

xD

all good

[shrewd ermine]

I see what you mean though

I actually didnt plan on using any magic at all this leagues

[dusky mauve]

So the only reason to actually have fun in this leagues is going mage gotcha

[shrewd ermine]

but after seeing how versatile the magic tree was I quickly changed my mind lol

[torpid current]

yea my gim mates wanted to do 1 mage, 1 range and 1 melee and raid together

[old tapir]

actually grinding a visage now because i want 17+8 thorns

[torpid current]

now we all went mage lmao

[real thicket]

King's Barrage

[shrewd ermine]

I like having infinite runes. let's me learn content without having to worry about losing gil to learn

[old tapir]

gil

[shrewd ermine]

oh

[old tapir]

get off final fantasy bud

[shrewd ermine]

[old tapir]

you can dream about tifa later

[shrewd ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/fell-gif-11242683397767497522

tbf they both start with g

[opaque sinew]

i reset my pacts and when trying to select my pacts for a new build it keeps restarting so i cant select all 40 and double check everything selected before confirming that i have everything i want. i restarted the client twice and its still having issues.

i could only find one other person whos had this issue

[old tapir]

try doing it in small sets of 5 or something

[opaque sinew]

i want to do all 40 at the same time because if i do 5 at a time thats more chances for me to fuck something up

[old tapir]

trust yourself more bud

you got it

[opaque sinew]

or the devs could fix their fucking game

[old tapir]

also true

[torpid current]

use the pact planner on wiki then copy that 5 at a time

[shrewd ermine]

^ https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-101-133-134-135-136-44-46-56-59-68-92-93-94-96-97-99

uhh ignore my stuff lol

[torpid current]

how important is prayer penetration btw

[shrewd ermine]

gauntlet/10

[real thicket]

You might as well ask them to mail you a unicorn

[shrewd ermine]

I went with 75 cause 100 would overkill

[torpid current]

with wildy, kandarin, desert

[shrewd ermine]

kandarin there's gorillas so it makes that easier

and there's a few elites behind them

[torpid current]

i guess its good for demonic monkeys and uhhh doesnt some stuff have prayer in toa

[shrewd ermine]

not sure, havent played since toa

i quit around 2021

[crystal kelp]

Did you submit a report?

[pale moon]

how do powered staffs work with the pacts?

would a trident of the seas heal me?

[shrewd ermine]

no

[torpid current]

if u pick the powered staff regens water runes then yes but it doesnt count as a water spell so the last node uhhh thing where it reflects back to you and heals wont work

so u'd heal like 1 per pewpew

[silver gale]

I died in a nex private room, my grave didnt spawn with me, do i just lose everything? i cant get back...

[opaque sinew]

chest in the corner by bank lady

[royal heart]

the make a slayer mask is a global task but u can only get the black mask if u have morytania unlocked right?

[shrewd ermine]

how do you get healed though?

I thought it just spat out water runs, which doesn't matter if you just havbe a bunch of water runes in your inventory

[torpid current]

these

[shrewd ermine]

ah

i didnt see that, my bad

[torpid trench]

What are people doing with their watermage builds after they get all of water, thorns, overheal, and regen?

[shrewd ermine]

prayer pen?

i dont have it maxed but that's what I would do

otherwise I'd look into increasing my accuracy

[torpid trench]

You get 75% pray pen doing the above, so thats just 1 more node

[amber sleet]

if u took mory the fire nodes are really good for clearing nylos

[torpid trench]

Ah yeah, accuracy 😂 i should prob get some

[torpid trench]

Node or capstone?

[amber sleet]

the capstone adds bounces

those bounces are untyped

they damage all nylo types

[shrewd ermine]

im getting close to unlocking my 3rd area. if I have Tir and Kan, should my next one be Mory, Zeah, or Asg?

[upper lotus]

Honestly kinda whack that Crystal Tool Seed isn't usable at all without another region, despite every other boss drop being able to be used/dropping completed already that requires 2+ regions.

[shrewd ermine]

im surprised they didnt just give a crystal tool

like they did with toxic staff in prif

[amber sleet]

i'm pretty sure the issue with that was because it's 1 item that makes multiple items

[upper lotus]

Can't they just remove the dragon tool requirement from it then?

[amber sleet]

idk

[upper lotus]

Literally the only boss drop item in leagues that can't be completed

[jovial tiger]

Doom, gauntlet, Yama, tormented Gorillaz mostly

[amber sleet]

well

not the only one

[torpid current]

ty

[slim crag]

Can this damn bug just give me confliction gauntlets already 😩

[crystal kelp]

What else they miss?

[upper lotus]

I am also curious, bc I am clearly misinformed

[amber sleet]

the ring crystals from the dt2 bosses aren't usable

[crystal kelp]

I thought they give full ring?

[amber sleet]

masori cosmetic kit isn't usable without frem

[amber sleet]

nope

[crystal kelp]

Ring crystal means the Tele?

[amber sleet]

yeah

[crystal kelp]

Those aren't crystals

[amber sleet]

what are they then

gems?

[jovial tiger]

Crystal tablets same thing

[crystal kelp]

The quartz go into sceptres, which is desert

[amber sleet]

yeah those too

[crystal kelp]

I think also with Kand

[amber sleet]

thanks for reminding me

so that's another one that isnt usable

[crystal kelp]

And wildy

[dusky mauve]

man this leagues is cooked for me ggs

[upper lotus]

Whack, why make most things work right and then just forget others, kinda irritating.

[jovial tiger]

Just go water mage and afk bosses like everyone else who is upset

[amber sleet]

well

all the ones that you require multiple regions for don't have tasks from the region you can't get them with

so

it's kind of not really an issue

[crystal kelp]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Scarred_tablet

Did you mean these things? Definitely not crystals but I get what you mean

[upper lotus]

It's not a task thing, it's the dead boss drop that is useless

that shouldn't be useless

[amber sleet]

i was thinking of the scepter crystals not those but both also are not usable without the correct other region

i just mixed up the two

they are both examples of something you can get and not use

[crystal kelp]

Fair, a lot of leagues has been shambles imo

[jovial tiger]

Guys we have less game updates this year because they were all in on league's

[crystal kelp]

But that's different from tool seed, the quartz and teleport tablets can only make 1 item

[jovial tiger]

Give them some slack

[dusky mauve]

leagues this year was ass

[crystal kelp]

Most bugged for sure

[dusky mauve]

entire tree line that is 99% ass if u dont go mage

[jovial tiger]

But but someone something vard

[dusky mauve]

waste your time unlocking areas just for the echo weapon to be ass

[amber sleet]

yeah, the tool seed making multiple items was most likely the reason it couldn't work

as for the dt2 boss drops idk why they didnt

[crystal kelp]

Jagex dog shit

[amber sleet]

they probably would've needed to make a voucher like the megarares one for crystal seed and maybe that was too much effort idk

[crystal kelp]

They could have gone the mega rare route and done a voucher

Lol

[potent quail]

i put a lot of hope into that island

If it dissapoints i will crash out

[tawdry carbon]

on one hand i want to respec to go afk

on the other hand i love that im stealing MVP in every tob run

[crystal kelp]

What's your current build?

[old tapir]

is there a way to route this differently to use one less point while keeping all the same major nodes https://i.imgur.com/n4XX4IH.png

already going through the melee thing to save points lol

[amber sleet]

why do u have the ranged echo nodes?

or wait

those aren't

nvm

[real thicket]

Just dump the air node and use restores, it's a qol node?

[amber sleet]

how much is that max accuracy roll chance node actually giving you?

cause you can maybe drop it

[torpid trench]

You could save 4pts by dropping some of your regen and the 5% chance to max accuracy roll. You would still have over 100% regen

[real thicket]

A lot

[amber sleet]

u calced it?

[thorny terrace]

bro give me an ourg bone already

[torpid trench]

but it depends on what youre trading for

[real thicket]

If he's a decent distance away its substantial

[old tapir]

i enjoy the extra regen chance because i get healed for 20 instead of 10 half the time when i attack

[real thicket]

It's one of the best nodes on the entire tree

[amber sleet]

what is your rune regen chance?

if it stays over 100% i would say drop one of those rune recovery nodes

[real thicket]

Idk I'd dump the air prayer node

[torpid trench]

wait youre a thorns build, you want to be MD for recoil effects

why do you have distance = accuracy?

[real thicket]

The shield node is recovering enough prayer most of the time

[old tapir]

why would i want to be melee distance

[torpid trench]

echo boots for even more hits?

[old tapir]

eh

[formal gulch]

I wish echo boot charges regen.

[crystal kelp]

A lot of mobs move close to you

[real thicket]

You don't need to be melee distance for normal thorns

[old tapir]

so what you're saying is, there's no way to optimize a small node out of this to make it not be 41 points

[real thicket]

Just echo boots

[amber sleet]

either drop the air prayer node or the melee+thorns 10% heal chance once

[torpid trench]

youre already crazy high accuracy, and you need to be within 3 tiles of an enemy for recoil effects to work. So either youre wasting a huge portion of your thorns tree, or you are wasting that node

[crystal kelp]

Just get 40

[formal gulch]

We should have a cap of 50 points.

[crystal kelp]

Cap of 150

[old tapir]

it probably has to be the heal node yeah

[real thicket]

Prayer restore magic node

[formal gulch]

Let us lose the ability to gain leagues points and allow us to explore the entire game with all relics and pacts unlocked.

[real thicket]

Keep the water node

[queen thicket]

i'm strong with thorns crossbow and having fun

but you do you

[torpid trench]

echo boots is a huge dmg potential loss, way more than the chance to hit accurately, assuming they are using thorns effectively with high tank gear. If they are in mage robes to maximize accuracy, then the whole thorns tree is wasted

[dusky mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

[queen thicket]

slop

[torpid trench]

That distance = acc node plays directly against the thorns tree

[real thicket]

I mean you aren't wrong but giving up the accuracy node for that isn't the right choice

[dusky mauve]

not my fault the devs make an echo weapon worse than a whip

makes 0 sense

[old tapir]

loser dragon https://i.imgur.com/PUDpzUk.png

[real thicket]

Even at 3 tiles its a lot

[proper wave]

any way to make thorns do something other than attack?

[formal gulch]

Is water thorns the goat build?

[real thicket]

It's good top 3 for sure

[amber sleet]

water thorns for brain off

[torpid trench]

its a 15% chance to max accuracy, giving you maybe a max hit or maybe a hit of 1dmg, on each attack.

Comparitively, echo boots will hit for, assuming similar gear to mine which is not even close to max thorns, like 30+dmg on each instance of recoiling

It is 1000% worth focusing on them over the acc trade

[old tapir]

that week 1 recap video said the highest single hitsplat they had seen was 900 something

i wonder how you do that

[amber sleet]

air water for optimal performance

[old tapir]

since blindbag and echoes are many hits

[formal gulch]

I wish water thorns worked in CG.

[real thicket]

He doesn't have to give up that node at all tho

[amber sleet]

u just take 1t staff and u are good

[torpid trench]

He asked what to sac, said he didnt want to give up regen, so thats the most logical answer. Of course he doesnt HAVE to, but hes weakening himself by having it and trying to use it, so why wouldnt he?

[formal gulch]

I’m getting my 100 kc and then respec’ing into more water thorns.

[proper wave]

They speficially said the 900 hit came from sage's axe

[old tapir]

ah

[proper wave]

executes under 20% hp

[torpid trench]

He could also just get another pact point, but if hes asking what to sac, then he isnt interested in chasing down more pts

[old tapir]

wouldn't that mean there's something in the game with 4.5k health?

what would that be

[torpid trench]

Megascale olm maybe?

[real thicket]

Air prayer node 100%

[proper wave]

yeah tbh i wondered how, but i think it was 937

didnt look into it further than that though

[fickle thistle]

Does thorns water mage use a ring of suffering

[crystal kelp]

Yes

[real thicket]

Yes

[torpid trench]

Wild that people are telling this guy to sac something that isnt really helping him to preserve something that is actively encouraging him to hinder himself. Ill see myself out, godspeed gamers

[fickle thistle]

Cool I know what my first zenyte is now

Ty

[old tapir]

i do just because my only real alternative is brimstone

but if you had magus ring you might not

[fickle thistle]

I do not have the region for magus

Mory, Tir, Kand

[formal gulch]

I say take bow pacts. That is all.

[real thicket]

Torva atlatl build for sure

[formal gulch]

Or even better

Bow + thorns.

They both synergize terribly extremely well.

[real thicket]

Yeah, you can get some melee experience while you're running back to your gravestone

No exp waste

[formal gulch]

Skip the shield pact too, since you’re using a bow.

can’t even thorn at that point

[real thicket]

Based

[formal gulch]