leagues-general

[livid slate]

If you have the overheal to 188 and lithik

Use that, afk at round 1 for nibs to break pillars

Pray against strongest mob

So range until mage and then mage

And then hold mage on jads

lithik spec on jads

Then normal zuk

[thorn siren]

wait lithic has a spec

[livid slate]

Yes.. that's the core of it

Giant typeless aoe damage

[thorn siren]

oh lol

[real thicket]

xd

[thorn siren]

wait hold mage on jads?

[livid slate]

It'll tag healers for you

With tank gear

yes

I'd recommend praying

[real thicket]

jad mage attack is less telegraphed

[livid slate]

if not then mage

[real thicket]

range is easy to see cause legs go up and has long window

[thorn siren]

oh i see what u are saying

i thought saying never swap to ranged

[real thicket]

so pray mage, swap range, back to mage

ez jad

[livid slate]

If you have good tank gear

You can get away with never switching to range

otherwise you'd have to pray

[thorn siren]

lol

mid gear

[livid slate]

Oh you should be fine

Actually

Go colo

Get echo boots

[thorn siren]

colo?

[livid slate]

spam 1-11

Don't do sol

[marsh haven]

nah this is cursed..

should be 7 gloves btw

[livid slate]

Colosseum

[marsh haven]

died with one lol

[thorn siren]

oh

[livid slate]

Fortis

[thorn siren]

i cant. i tried it and died wave 3

just get out bursted

[livid slate]

With staff?

or lithik, rather

[thorn siren]

cerb dag

[livid slate]

Go lithik

[spring cipher]

wheres ur firecape

[thorn siren]

died twice to hydra and forgot to collect gear

[livid slate]

oof

[tawdry carbon]

bro wtf unlocking this region disabled my peity

[thorn siren]

well i died to hydra then tped to hydra and died to the floor

lmfao

[shy light]

[livid slate]

Bug

Jagex is aware

Not sure if there's a user side fix or not

[thorn siren]

why would lithic help with stopping me from getting one shot

at colo

[tawdry carbon]

ima just do the minigmae

[marsh haven]

yea i had to do knights wave thing

cringe

[livid slate]

1tik staff with powered staff regens water rune

1-2 hp heals per attack

1-2 hp per tick

with 188 hp overheal

[thorn siren]

i dont have water run

[livid slate]

only manticores could in theory 1 tap you

[covert wolf]

i have no idea if i wanna do mage thorns because i barely have any good scepter to use

only one from wildy

[thorn siren]

i have the fire one

[livid slate]

My tent degraded again

Spent 3 whips at vard today smh

[spring cipher]

no scythe?

[livid slate]

44 hmt no megarare

[wary egret]

73 thorns damage with infinite healing btw

[spring cipher]

f

[pure karma]

got advice for dfs?

[real thicket]

manticore vs full tank build

[thorn siren]

73?

holy shit

[wary egret]

i went to go afk black dragons in wildy, didnt need to lol

[pure karma]

lmao

meanwhile

[thorn siren]

how ar eu getting 73 thorns dmg from that. its not that much more defense stats than mine

[covert wolf]

barbarian activity

[wary egret]

thorns = 20 + 10
suffering = 21
echo boots = 22

[real thicket]

suffering and echo doesn't trigger on 0s ?

[thorn siren]

i went thorns build and no kandarin HAHAHA

kms

[wary egret]

thats why you never pray

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

[real thicket]

fair

[thorn siren]

ok i might just have to learn how to do colo. cause im not able to afk thorns colo

[wary egret]

i did a 4:58 colo before the DFS lol

but it was with full oathplate & ely

[livid slate]

and another whip baby back to vard mines with me

[young osprey]

oh no, what a calamity, you actually have to play the game /j

[thorn siren]

i guess i can farm for oath plate beore colo

[covert wolf]

i wonder how it feels like holding SRA with blindbag

[thorn siren]

it is a tragedy

[wary egret]

as someone who has never done end game content ever, colo is the most replayable

by a large margin

[wary egret]

if you took mory then justi will probably be better

[velvet hornet]

with kings barrage is it worth tryign t ospec kup into thorns as well?

[thorn siren]

yea but i cant solo tob

[young osprey]

kings barrage is 2h no?

[thorn siren]

the spider room is a fucker

[velvet hornet]

oh ya, you need shield for throns ? didnt even know that

[wary egret]

im sure theres LFGs

[velvet hornet]

lol just saw some videos people doing ti with mage

[real thicket]

yeah, you can't kb and thorns

[velvet hornet]

well thast my answer 😄

[cursive glacier]

You can zcb and thorns tho

[young osprey]

thorns having no conditions would be even sillier than it is rn

[hollow eagle]

how much kc did those stupid fucking gloves take

[young osprey]

no desert or grim I presume?

[thorn siren]

mory asgarnia kourend

[wary egret]

i got boots and 3x staff before the gloves lol

[young osprey]

t6 relic?

[thorn siren]

uh

es

[hollow eagle]

i'd share mine but i still can't send pictures

not rank 10 yet

but 281 deeps, 569 total, 3 treads 2 wands 0 cloth

[young osprey]

yeah no desert or grim makes spider room impossible cause no freezes

[marsh haven]

i need treads

[hollow eagle]

fuck you

[livid slate]

I suck at doom unfortunately

[hollow eagle]

well

wtf

[real thicket]

hello this is hydra

1/200 btw

[hollow eagle]

4x drop rate nb

[simple pivot]

yikes

[hollow eagle]

u got it at 5x easily

wait wtf no jars??

[covert wolf]

yikes

[thorn siren]

Drop rate isn’t boosted for claw

[hollow eagle]

no it probably is

[livid slate]

Still getting cooked, btw

[hollow eagle]

nice pet

[livid slate]

That is my only solace in this prison

[thorn siren]

What are u doing it for? Virtus?

[livid slate]

Yep

Need top for build

full set for 400 points

[hollow eagle]

whats crazy is

you're not even top 25 still somehow

people are camping that mf

[livid slate]

Correct lmfao

[hollow eagle]

like how there's a dude with 1000 mokha kc

like bro

do something else

[ancient wolf]

What's the drop rate on a dfs?

[livid slate]

1/2k

Ish

[ancient wolf]

oh damn aiight thank you

[young osprey]

are defenders affected by league droprates

need to figure out how much the cyclops grind is gonna suck

[hollow eagle]

yes

it's very fast

like an hour max

[amber sleet]

yes

[young osprey]

good

[amber sleet]

also https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Pacts_League/Boosted_drops

[real thicket]

I'm rank 19 for hydra rn. There are 18 ppl who've suffered more than me. That makes me feel better.

[hollow eagle]

they're probably farming for pet

[amber sleet]

and if u take mory then avernic drops completed

[young osprey]

yeah I could check that page but I'm lazy

[scenic garden]

ultracompost is 90% chance not to become diseased right?

[real thicket]

Someone has 1450 hydra kills

brutal

if I get the pet before dhl, I'm going to try to put it in the compost bin

[hollow eagle]

man

the gauntlets shouldn't even be that fkin rare

1/22 per 1-9

~1/100 per 9+ delve

[amber sleet]

does anyone know if blindbag thorns loses its thorns access when proccing a 2h in the bag?

[livid slate]

One step closer

[amber sleet]

i am considering respeccing to blindbag+thorns to try it out but will abstain if that is the case

[ancient wolf]

thank you for this, here's to hoping I get it soon since I've been going dry for everything

[obsidian cape]

wildy bosses are absolutely railing me with drop rates its depressing

[covert wolf]

you blingbagging?

[livid slate]

Nah, thorns light weapon

[scenic garden]

how am I 0/3 for magic trees in gnome stronghold and 3/3 in nemus retreat? do I need to start murdering gnomes?

[covert wolf]

huh?

[livid slate]

Normally thorns 1tick

[covert wolf]

what you doing camping there?

[livid slate]

But I specced into whip being decent for tob

[covert wolf]

oh

[real thicket]

you should always kill gnomes

[covert wolf]

virtus

[ripe turtle]

Blindbag + thorns is not the play, blindbag works best with multihit weapons and u can't use a shield with them

[real thicket]

even for no reason

[ripe turtle]

much as i wish it worked

[languid belfry]

....Alright I ask this again. Are we sure Zenyte rates are boosted? https://i.gyazo.com/8b89ef3d018bf0f5459529d83d6f3b37.png

[livid slate]

Needed virtus top for prayair/water build im gonna respec into

[hollow eagle]

yes

[languid belfry]

[livid slate]

might as well finish given how much vard has cooked me

[hollow eagle]

4-5x dry isn't that uncommon

[covert wolf]

i have a mixed virtus and ancestral lol what am i even doing

[hollow eagle]

...somehow

[covert wolf]

too tired to do raids honestly

12x dupe in a row on toa

[languid belfry]

I should probably stop looking at the dry calc then, since I think it's making me more salty.

0.90409310% chance (1/110.61) of getting exactly 0 drops,
99.09590690% chance (1/1.01) of getting more than 0 drops,
You are so dry you have collapsed into the dry singularity. The dryularity, if you will.```

[covert wolf]

just want my masori

[hollow eagle]

every delve i do makes me salty

[rich spear]

Afking shamans until 150kc

This shit sucks

[livid slate]

Feel my pain

[languid belfry]

[real thicket]

5x dry is like 0.5% chance m8

[hollow eagle]

wait wtf

[amber sleet]

i understand how blindbag works normally, what i'm asking is if proccing a 2h in the inventory while using a heavy 1h + shield makes it so that your thorns can no longer proc during the tick that you blindbagged with a 2h

[rich spear]

I splash so much against shamans bro where is my accuracy

[hollow eagle]

virtus robes are 1/153 how the fuck

are you almost 9x dry

[rich spear]

How much do I need to spec into accuracy like holy shit

[real thicket]

all of it

[languid belfry]

Hence, are we sure this is boosted

[real thicket]

accuracy like best shit on tree

[hollow eagle]

yes it is boosted

[livid slate]

Forgot who, but someone had 13 zenytes in 300 kills

Was a bit painful to see

[hollow eagle]

we're just on the wrong end of the bellcurve

[rich spear]

I'm at 70% accuracy lol

[languid belfry]

I'm about to afk Leviathan instead because that 1/102 is looking more likely than this.

[rich spear]

I have 20 pacts up

[real thicket]

you'll get there lol

[rich spear]

I'm missing the other 20

[languid belfry]

Honestly I'd hate groillas less if they didn't stop your attacking whenver they swapped prayers

[real thicket]

I'm at 35 atm

[rich spear]

My easiest tasks to get them are like

[real thicket]

was working on it until hydra

now only hydra

[thorn siren]

thank god it does that in the main game

[rich spear]

150 shamans, moons piece, rngesus for totem pieces, or go to zulrah before thermy

But I need two pacts for ez gauntlet

[languid belfry]

In main game it's great. In leagues when I' m 1 ticking it makes an annoying grind even worse lmao

[rich spear]

Or I go kill echo hespori with mage

Or worse

Unboosted melee

[thorn siren]

anyone strong and wants to carry me through tob 🙂

[scenic garden]

why do I stop attacking at demonic gorillas? I have ample charges and I don't see a mechanic that should stop my attacks

[rich spear]

It's when they change prayers

[livid slate]

I'd love to if I wasn't in vard prison

[languid belfry]

See my complaint.

[thorn siren]

its how the mechanics of the game works

[languid belfry]

It's to give you time to switch to a weapon that's effective.

In the main game.

[thorn siren]

to prevent accidental attacking of mobs that hit u when they swap

[scenic garden]

oh it's the prayer switch?

[thorn siren]

yessir

[languid belfry]

yes

it's why thorns actually makes this really annoying LMAO

[cloud basin]

Are cannonballs regened?

[languid belfry]

because they are constantly swapping.

[thorn siren]

vard a little bitch. come tob . i need spider room carry 🙂

[rich spear]

I think I'll come back to shamans after more accuracy

I'll fish for a different pact area

[thorn siren]

maybe ill just delve instead

how do u even unlock the evil eye doom tp

[scenic garden]

how does the prayer mechanic work when I'm 1t staff thorns?

[livid slate]

quest 🙂

[real thicket]

final dawn quest

[thorn siren]

ew

[obsidian cape]

damn man 500+ KC for every wildy boss is so draining

[languid belfry]

You get constantly interrupted.

Source, I'm doing it right now and it 's obnoxious as shit.

If you have lithic sceptre just spec dump them when they're praying melee to burst/skip the prayer swap

but if you're just like, AFKing with overheal. Well.

[tawdry carbon]

i have blood fury
best use of these is suffering (zulrah+in case i wanna thorns) and tormented bracelent (i have 1t staff + lithic), correct?

[languid belfry]

this is why it's debatably better to just run 100% prayer pen and use one style.

So that they don't keep swapping lol

[tawdry carbon]

same mechanic as corrupted gaunt

with lithic dump specs ands witch bback quickly

the kills are fast/interactive

[languid belfry]

Honestly Lithic has been so much better than anyone gave it credit for

I think if you're actively playing/spec dumping, it's probably better than trident

[tawdry carbon]

is there a faster way to make these zenytes into zenytes

or do i have to get a fucking greegree and go to some mount koramlumbo

[languid belfry]

Yes, give them to me. No not really

You have to go to the fire wall

[tawdry carbon]

how do i get a zomblo gregre

[livid slate]

Npc for greegrees is at gnome stronghold

Just ask him

[tawdry carbon]

where

[livid slate]

by gnome ball court

[livid slate]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Zooknock

[tawdry carbon]

thx

how tf u guys so knowledgable

[languid belfry]

they retired after the monkey wars to be a gnomeball coach

[balmy shadow]

anyone wanna do fight pits for diary? W400

[livid slate]

Austism been playing for a while

[tawdry carbon]

are there other griggles i need?

or just zomboid is ok

[livid slate]

zombie is fine

[languid belfry]

I don't play the game outside of leagues. But I consume way too many snowflake account series than is healthy.

So I end up with weird game knowledge/trivia

"Correction I've tried playing the game, but I've ended up afking at crab till all my melee are 80+ and am just considering sitting there till 99 in all melee stats before I start the game.

.>

[tawdry carbon]

i just kill bosses and shit

[real thicket]

crab is peak content

[golden stag]

so for echo thermy... i'm water mage. I have full crystal and blessing and i feel like i splash on him way more than i should. I know his mage def is really high but still i have 28 points in the build +150% accuracy. Is this just a slow boss in general?

[real thicket]

I can't believe they made an entire content just for 1 gemstone crab

[livid slate]

Yes, unfortunately

[languid belfry]

I can't believe they made an entire combat method for just one crab enemy

[languid belfry]

Do you have Mory

[golden stag]

not unlocked yet unfortunately

[languid belfry]

You can spec dump thermy with sceptre

[golden stag]

but i could, i've been doing most tasks in each region before moving

[languid belfry]

for guaranteed 20+ hits

[dusk cedar]

throwing a shotput 12 yards is impossible.

[real thicket]

only way they could make crab better is there was like barrows gemstone crab

[tawdry carbon]

do i need friends to play gnome ball

[real thicket]

where you dig and find new crab

[languid belfry]

gemstone crab is so good on a main that you can even make money while doing it

[real thicket]

after 6 crabs, you get to a chest and it's just another crab

[languid belfry]

when some lunatic fires enchanted diamond or ruby bolts

and forgets ava's

I kept buying my melee gear upgrades that way

[strange jacinth]

hmmm

[kind cairn]

Does thorns damage depend on your defence level or like defence from armor?

[languid belfry]

....Oh my fucking god.

[real thicket]

armour

[livid slate]

I just got my second soul reaper axe

before my first virtus mask

🙂

[kind cairn]

any specific type of armor? or does it like take all the values and average it?

[real thicket]

total

+1 damage per 100 bonus defence

[languid belfry]

https://i.gyazo.com/7d7a44ecabea34a7a644849f181d2b28.png

still no zenyte

0.63522728% chance (1/157.42) of getting exactly 0 drops,
99.36477272% chance (1/1.01) of getting more than 0 drops,
You are so dry you have collapsed into the dry singularity. The dryularity, if you will.```

I should just go camp leviathan

[slim crag]

le spoonage

[languid belfry]

Grats.

[golden stag]

I'mHappyforYouMeme.jpg

[velvet hornet]

is kraken tent not buffed or something? im pretty over the drop rate it hink lol

[real thicket]

[[Rope]]

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Rope

[languid belfry]

I just want a ring of suffering

that's it.

[hazy anvil]

Which slayer tasks are worth focusing via Nieve/Duradel/Chaeldar? Feel like I'm doing something wrong and it's super slow

[strange jacinth]

the one you can chin or barrage, second to that, anything with supes

[past birch]

You need to suffer more

[hazy anvil]

Midgame or mid-early.

[past birch]

And it will be yours

[tawdry carbon]

400 pts for all 4

[amber sleet]

nechryaels and araxxor were giving me tons of xp for slayer

[languid belfry]

Fuck that.

[scenic garden]

by default it does 3 melee damage to anything that hits you (affected by their flat armour), and this seems to be boosted by the +3 min damage pact. then once you get this node it scales off 1% of your defensive bonuses from gear. So if you have 100 crush defence, 150 slash defence, and 50 stab defence, you have 300 total for it to scale off of and you get +3 thorns damage

[hazy anvil]

Don't have mort unlocked.

T/K so far unlocked.

[amber sleet]

nechryaels then

they are in priff slayer area

[languid belfry]

if you want to do melee or thorns at all

Mory is basically mandatory tbh

[scenic garden]

these are the bonuses that node scales off of

[kind cairn]

Followup question, Would a melee set that has low ranged/magic defense technically lower the total? Is there somewhere I can see what the "total" armor value would be for each set?

[sacred coyote]

For melee yes, thorns no

[hazy anvil]

Slayer dungeon in Prif is single way, no?

[amber sleet]

kind of yes but also melee defense sets tend to also be by far the highest overall defenses

[real thicket]

depends, most melee sets have substantially higher defences than they lose to low magic

[amber sleet]

yeah iirc

[languid belfry]

Justicar and bloodfury go pretty hard tbh

[scenic garden]

it's based on the sum of all. so if you lose 100 magic defence but gain 100 crush defense it's a net zero

[amber sleet]

i was still getting over 1m slayer per hour at nechryaels as melee blindbag before i really had that good of a setup though

[sacred coyote]

They sure do, but thorns is feasible in most regions

[languid belfry]

True

[amber sleet]

there might be better stuff but it was good imo

[scenic garden]

can blood fury proc off thorns?

[languid belfry]

Thorns you can kind of do any region. If you're optimizing, I think mory is ideal though

[languid belfry]

Yes.

[chilly pine]

was there a way to turn off beginner clue scroll drops?

[scenic garden]

that's broken

[tawdry carbon]

theres no vendor for coconuts right

[languid belfry]

This is why you need so many bloodshards this leagues

[kind cairn]

Larceny is amazing for this

[proper stream]

Should I push for a powered staff before doing kbd echo on water mage? (and ofc getting the 1tick node) I'm currently using a staff of water + 1 dagonhai gear piece. I know water mage kills are slow, but is this too little gear in general? I just unlocked the "keystone" water node for healing

[tawdry carbon]

man

[winged sinew]

someone just tried to flex they were going to be most damage at gemstone crab.
like what???
it's a afk activity

[tawdry carbon]

the mroe i hear about thorns the more i wanna try it lmao

[winged sinew]

they got 2nd place too

[languid belfry]

Yup.

[real thicket]

that sounds like something someone who didn't do most damage at crab would say

low crab contributor

[languid belfry]

Side note did you know if you pop Lithic Sceptre's spec on a gorilla not praying protect from mage, it does the same damage even to other gorillas praying mage?

[toxic vortex]

big blindbag gains

[languid belfry]

You can actually use this to farm them a lot faster.

[dusk cedar]

I have finally unlocked my last area. I have Kourend and Asgarnia already. Would Kandarian be a good choice for my last one?

[winged sinew]

I don't care, I am there for xp not to flex

[toxic vortex]

thats because the damage is typeless

[winged sinew]

Flexing at gemstone crabs

[languid belfry]

Yup. But the damage is calculated based on your magic max hit vs the original target.

[toxic vortex]

Which makes sense

considering its a staff

[languid belfry]

so if you want to AOE some gorillas, it helps to actively aim for ones that aren't praying magic

[silver gale]

is there a pest control world?

[candid harbor]

what is drop rate for ranger boots in leagues?

[languid belfry]

then just blow everyone up for like 70+ every 15 ticks

[toxic vortex]

Or you can just get some pray pen

[covert night]

is there a way not to get dammaged when picpocketing tzarr?

[toxic vortex]

There aren't that many close together

[languid belfry]

Only 50% 🥲

[toxic vortex]

ice gloves

[scenic garden]

I watched a friend wreck echo cg with 45%

[amber sleet]

asgarnia only afaik

unfortunately

[toxic vortex]

asg or frem

[winged sinew]

😭

[scenic garden]

I had to bring food for that task

[covert night]

same

[scenic garden]

kinda dumb they didn't think of that for larcenist

[languid belfry]

and..... gorilla 320.

[toxic vortex]

they did

[scenic garden]

how?

[languid belfry]

The dry calc calculator text changed again... ```You killed 320 monsters for an item with a 1/60 (1.666667% or 1/60.00) drop chance. You had a:

0.46157641% chance (1/216.65) of getting exactly 0 drops,
99.53842359% chance (1/1.00) of getting more than 0 drops,
The vacuum of space has more activity than your drop log.```

[amber sleet]

to be fair i dont think you'd really want to pickpocket them past getting the task done anyways

[toxic vortex]

not everything is going to be available

[amber sleet]

pretty sure just stealing from the ore stall is way better for getting tokkul/gold

[toxic vortex]

^

[languid belfry]

I'm not even asking for 4 zenytes

[real thicket]

pickpocketting one for a diamond is a task

[languid belfry]

I'm asking for 1 so I can get my point and fucking move on LMAO

[livid slate]

There he is

[amber sleet]

see #leagues-general message

[livid slate]

13 zenyte man

[languid belfry]

Alright what rituals do you do

and how many orphans have you sacrificed

[toxic vortex]

i started leaving them on the floor because I'd rather keep the seeds and shit

[livid slate]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[languid belfry]

should have dropped them at huey bank

if you're going to do that

just dumped 8 on the ground

[toxic vortex]

not worth the inventory spot

just glad I picked up some good blindbag options

[livid slate]

I wonder

Would blindbag with multiple soul reaper axes

Just kill the user

[amber sleet]

doesnt it stop at 5 stacks or something?

[livid slate]

But is that saved on a player or weapon basis?

[amber sleet]

idk

[real thicket]

the bonus does, but it can roll into any weapon in inventory

so you could just carry 18 axes

[scenic garden]

I've seen up to 8 attacks

[amber sleet]

ok

but why would you carry 18 axes for the purpose of self annihilating?

[livid slate]

Funny

[real thicket]

because you had to kill 2k hydras

[scenic garden]

but I've also see others getting 8+ hitsplats with the doublehit weapons and range echoes lol

[real thicket]

and that's your way out

[amber sleet]

i see

[past forge]

Still need to pick my 2nd and 3rd zones did kandarin first zone stuck between Kourend/Moritania/Tiranwyn

[livid slate]

If you have larcenist

imo T and M are musts

[amber sleet]

to be fair i already can't sustain through something as simple as like normal thermy with 2x healing nodes and blood fury on blindbag

so it's kind of like i already am dying as i attack

[past forge]

yeah i do and was always my original plan

[cyan cove]

smouldering stone on 2kc and I have Bg

[tawdry carbon]

how long does a spirit tree take to grow

[cyan cove]

thanks rngesus

[past forge]

alrdy have 91 thieving though

but its for crystal seeds right?

[livid slate]

t is for 50m crafting and smithing

[tawdry carbon]

oh thats like 1200 points for craft/smithing

[hazy anvil]

What are people doing for prayer levels without transmute?

[past forge]

got it yeah i heard that before too

[tawdry carbon]

i should prob do that lmao

[livid slate]

So between thieving crafting and smithing that is what.. 3200 points?

200 per 99, 25m, 35m and 50m and 400 for three non combats at 50m

[past forge]

only things i dont have solve for is construction, RC, and Farming

[livid slate]

I reloaded butler

[strange jacinth]

pls

[livid slate]

And he makes me planks

[hazy anvil]

Do you ahve transmute?

[strange jacinth]

is there a plugin we can disable rare drop pings per item

[livid slate]

Farming is transmute

And RC is.. well RC

[strange jacinth]

im tired of getting dinged for a smoke quartz

[languid belfry]

I have 3 light frames.

and 2 of every other ballista component

[livid slate]

You telling me?

[languid belfry]

but somehow no Zenyte still.

[past forge]

yes

[hazy anvil]

Transmute any tree seeds you have to the highest level tree seed you can plant and do some tree runs passively each day

[toxic vortex]

for awakened vard

not terrible

[past forge]

I have tons of seeds preciate it!

[tawdry carbon]

what are u guys doing for 99 farming?

just fruit/tree seeds?

[velvet hornet]

XD

[toxic vortex]

pretty much

[livid slate]

I should be doing that, yes

[toxic vortex]

I'm only at like 79, not in a rush

[tawdry carbon]

are u guys actually bothering w getting the payment for some of them

or are u just yolo sending it

[toxic vortex]

Depends

Some things are for a task

[livid slate]

Ultra comp and move on

[smoky raft]

another one down

[tawdry carbon]

magic trees / dragonfruiit seeds

[toxic vortex]

or for one of the achievement diaries

[tawdry carbon]

yea i think ima do that

ultra comp and move on

[toxic vortex]

If its for a task/diary I would protect the first time if possible

after that, no

[amber sleet]

if u have transmute u can transmute the compost the farmers sell into ultracompost

i was doing that

[tawdry carbon]

yeah i did that

was an easy way for runecraft xp? i have tiran-mory-kandarin

[amber sleet]

not paying them no

do sins of the father and all the diaries

[toxic vortex]

you take soul harvest?

[amber sleet]

should get you mid 90s rc with lamp+books

[tawdry carbon]

i can reload soul harvest but i was gona reload endless harvest

[kind cairn]

So with Water Magic/Thorns do I want to have the highest armor bonus possible at the cost of magic accuracy considering we get accuracy from the nodes in the pact tree?

[tawdry carbon]

i used sins of the father on runecraft/agility

[amber sleet]

why agi

[hazy anvil]

Achievement Diary lamps is what I'm using on RC.

[tawdry carbon]

cuz runecraft wasnt high enough level and im impatient

[toxic vortex]

either reload to soul harvest or you gotta dump all your diary lamps on to rc

[tawdry carbon]

ima probs do that

[toxic vortex]

and then still train RC normally

[tawdry carbon]

endless harest seems too good for afk

[potent quail]

in theory farming is jsut tree runs, there is not really a need to take a relic for that

on the other hand, rc is completly useless besides for pints and task completion

[amber sleet]

i like the farming relic because of mushroom

there are a lot of places mushroom can take u

[hazy anvil]

EH gives you AFK for FM, WC, Mining, Fishing.

[amber sleet]

and it saves my blindbag from the horrors of dramen staff

[potent quail]

wait i missread

[tawdry carbon]

guess ill pay this one lol

[potent quail]

he wrote endless harvest and not the farming one

[tawdry carbon]

yea endless harvest

the skilling one

[potent quail]

read harvest
brain was: farming

[slim crag]

🥣

[toxic vortex]

definitely

[potent quail]

whats your build?

[uneven laurel]

I think I figured out why Doom keeps killing me: thorns proccing makes volatile earth disappear immediately.

[slim crag]

crystal blessing

[uneven laurel]

I'm gonna send pure water mage with devil's evelent and see if it works out

[potent quail]

that narrows it down to 3 styles

[hazy anvil]

Anyone have suggestions on training prayer without transmute?

[potent quail]

boneshards in varlamore

[livid slate]

Endless harvest mine for bone shards

[obsidian cape]

lol dryness calc says my vet'ion chance was 0.26%chance, my Venenatis chance wasa 0.7% chance and artio/callisto is 0.7% chance, therse drop rates are 10000% bugged

[hazy anvil]

No EH unfortunately.

[scenic garden]

murder dragons, bless their bones, bless wines, do libation bowl

[potent quail]

either collect good bones and make them into shards
or mine them

[potent quail]

BG?

[slim crag]

I'm using CB for 1-tick trident until I get enough mage gear for air spells, basically

[livid slate]

Without soul harvest, transmute or endless harvest.. you're gonna have to mine boneshards the old fashion way

[hazy anvil]

Abundance.

[livid slate]

Unless you have minion and kand?

[hazy anvil]

I regret abundance tbh - but it is what it is

[potent quail]

ah ok i was struggling a lot with my trident at echo thermy, he has mage protection prayer up the entire time

[livid slate]

Nah don't regret it

Abundance is the goat

I took it

[slim crag]

All I did was spam trident with CB while my minion picked up the slack during the mage overhead

I used bowfa otherwise

[amber sleet]

abundance is good money but in theory u are capped at 9 billion gold with abundance right?

transmute+larcenist is infinite money

[covert wolf]

been wondering after i got myself a megarare voucher what do i take?
i kinda wanna try 7t range blindbag melee build after getting SRA but then i notice i can't get a blood fury so i skip that

[livid slate]

Do you have Kand and Minion?

[hazy anvil]

No minion, but Kand yes

[cyan cove]

going to use my mort echo weapon on thermy and make it disappear

[hazy anvil]

Trying to get 90 prayer pact point from Priff.

[livid slate]

Are you at t8 already?

If not, which were you planning?

[hazy anvil]

I'm on my 2nd account. T6 currently.

[past forge]

does anyone know what 3 zones faux did on his main

[livid slate]

KTM

[livid slate]

Minion's noted loot lets you do afk mithril drags in kand for dragon bones, mithril bars, dfs and dfh/chewed bones

[toxic vortex]

But I think he did TKM

[dusk cedar]

how does this build look?

[livid slate]

You can turn those into bone shards and solve prayer

tons of points from that as well

[hazy anvil]

I'm so far off of minion, would rather not wait until T8 before getting 90 prayer, but maybe I have to.

[amber sleet]

yeah but then u cant sip the big explodey bottle

flask go boom

[slim crag]

Now to just spam normal thermy until I get occult

[livid slate]

For the 90 prayer pact point I killed chickens in aldarian and transmuted to superior, so it's tough honestly without transmute/endless/soul harvest for prayer

[hazy anvil]

was wondering if there's good monsters that drop noted bones or something I'm missing.

[golden stag]

lol the thornes thermy tech is to just pray against one attack type

[toxic vortex]

its not that tough

[potent quail]

ah dont have minion yet

[toxic vortex]

with 16x and bone shards its quick

[crude kite]

Big bone spawn -> transmute into superiors

[potent quail]

or bowfa

[covert wolf]

wildy boss probably
dragon bones

[livid slate]

You could hunt dragon implings for d bones?

[toxic vortex]

Zulrah drops noted dbones

[livid slate]

Camp zulrah for d bones?

[potent quail]

you get a ton of bones during slayer

[hazy anvil]

I'll have to see what sort of minimum gear I need for Zulrah camp.

[toxic vortex]

I have 96 bones from 120 zulrah kc

[slim crag]

Bowfa will get you by if you respec out of prayer pen and you're not using melee pacts just yet

[toxic vortex]

Which isn't a ton, but with 16x its a lot of xp

[crude kite]

~200 Zulrah and no magic fang 🙁

4-5 serps and a pipe tho

[winged sinew]

oof, i went dry on a 1/50 drop for blue dragons

239 kills for it

[crude kite]

Ooooooft

[winged sinew]

scaly blue dragonhide

[crude kite]

I can’t complain too much. 30kc cg completion… with an extra enhanced

[amber sleet]

wtfers

[remote cove]

anyone using the demonic pacts task plugin? how do I sync the completed tasks?

[winged sinew]

never heard of a plugin for this

[livid slate]

if you mean the highlight, open task lists and scroll through them all

[crude kite]

Task tracker plugin

[livid slate]

literally all of them

[remote cove]

oh got it to work, yeah scrolling through worked

[amber sleet]

do any of u guys know of a better afk fishing spot with EH than barb fishing for xp?

[crude kite]

Bambams

[remote cove]

Demonic Pacts Task Highlighter, really handy

[amber sleet]

huh?

[crude kite]

Karambwans

[amber sleet]

those are worse

1.5m vs 2.1m

i was doing karams until i had enough for 99 cooking

[winged sinew]

i just look on wiki

[crude kite]

Guess it depends. I was doing them with hotfoot and getting insane cooking xp.

[amber sleet]

i dont have hotfoot and i am just going for fishing xp rn

[crude kite]

6k xp per pull. It’s real nice. Was gonna 200m cookin with it I think.

[amber sleet]

i will cook them after

i have plenty of karams already and can transmute more if needed

[crude kite]

Then barb is probably the best

[amber sleet]

guess i'll afk here another hour

[pure karma]

the pain

[crude kite]

Trying for visage?

[pure karma]

yeah

[remote cove]

visage hunting?

[crude kite]

Rip

[remote cove]

gl friend

[crude kite]

I was thinking about doing the same.

[remote cove]

are visages boosted?

[thorn siren]

is the eye of ayak stronger than lithic sceptre

[crude kite]

My thorns build feels weak tbh

[livid slate]

The game is literally about to give me

[amber sleet]

yes but the rate is still ass

[scenic garden]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Pacts_League/Boosted_drops

[livid slate]

My THIRD soul reaper axe

before my FIRST virtus mask

[thorn siren]

lmfao

[crude kite]

1/2k is still rough lmao

[thorn siren]

bro fuck vardy

hes cringe

[remote cove]

0 x 500% = 0 kek

[thorn siren]

and only worth fighting that much main game

[pure karma]

what are these?

[scenic garden]

1/2k for visage in league is such a joke lol

[amber sleet]

u get more multi with more relics

[crude kite]

You unlock them with relic tiers

[thorn siren]

what prayer should i camp for doom

[remote cove]

practically everyone should have 5x

[amber sleet]

max boost is at tier 4

[long trail]

antler guard counts as shield for thorns? or no

[amber sleet]

so it comes on fast

[covert wolf]

league booster

[thorn siren]

yea but not good

no defenses

[long trail]

what would u rec for a mage thorns shield

if any

[scenic garden]

it's a shield slot item, not a shield

[long trail]

to use with quadrant

[thorn siren]

just regular shields

with accuracynodes

[amber sleet]

obby shield, crystal shield, dfs

whichever u can get

or just a kite

[thorn siren]

anyone know what prayer to camp at doom

plzz

[livid slate]

If you're in melee range

Melee

[crude kite]

What armor you wearing

[pure karma]

whats your build max?

[crude kite]

Whatever you’re weakest to I guess

From the combat triangle

[amber sleet]

pretty sure he's melee thorns tank

so i would assume he wants to camp mage 99% of the time

[pure karma]

thorns has to pray at doom?

[livid slate]

[mint stone]

Elysian>Dragonfire Shield>Crystal Shield>Tzhaar shield>Rune Shield

[potent quail]

i jsut want a zenyte e,e

[amber sleet]

bro u have 20 kills

[crude kite]

Can get it on 1kc

[potent quail]

its just the weirdest spoonXD

[crude kite]

He’s hitting rarer drops lol

[tawdry carbon]

is the pool of memories an unsafe death?

[tawdry carbon]

youre halfway to 2 zenytes!

[crude kite]

What should I do with my extra ones

[potent quail]

ironicly i did plan going ballista

[crude kite]

Alch them?

[tawdry carbon]

you need to make all the zenyte jewellry

[potent quail]

but then meta changedXD

[crude kite]

I did and still have extras

[tawdry carbon]

damn nice

who sells the myth cape at the guild

[crude kite]

Second floor

[ornate thistle]

whats the leagues world for tempoross? want to get faster kc

[ripe turtle]

finally got a tob unique

and the cleanest tob i've ever had in leagues holy shitr

12:40

[long trail]

you need all 4 regions to get SRA right?

[livid slate]

Nope

[long trail]

wat

[crude kite]

That’s too much vard

[livid slate]

You're right

But, it's not enough Virtus Mask also

So now I'm making recoils

[tawdry carbon]

what build r u?

[ripe turtle]

1t gargler staff, thorns (doesn't help at tob unfort) and light melee for whip

[tawdry carbon]

yae i might send some tob soon

[low osprey]

Beat the gauntlet in 4:28 and it still didn't give me the task

[covert wolf]

all part drop from 1 boss

[tawdry carbon]

ur at the tob world?

[ripe turtle]

was but finished for tonight

are you NA?

[tawdry carbon]

yea

ima send some

[ripe turtle]

use world 658

[tawdry carbon]

kk

[ripe turtle]

every other world is abandoned

[tawdry carbon]

thx

cheers

[loud beacon]

do i need to be on task to get a black mask drop?

[tawdry carbon]

no

[loud beacon]

but i do for brittle key?

[ripe turtle]

yes

I miss my gm pets, would've had 6 otherwise :((

[cloud panther]

whew

[winged sinew]

🙂

[candid harbor]

i hate u whoever made boots pact go farm ranger boots urself

[winged sinew]

31 pacts now 🙂

and i got another reset

[covert wolf]

is dragon rank telling us to complete the whole task available or we have some leftover later?

[uneven laurel]

I've fogured out how to water mage Doom. The trick is to engage with less mechanics. Scobow was taken from us, no reason to play fair. Once car phase starts the wave is won, as water heals through everything Doom does from that point.

Charge phase is a slog, so just tank the hit to end it early. Biggest threat is praying the exploding rock projectiles

[kind cairn]

is ToB hard considering all the league pact bonuses and stuff? never really done too much of this raid outside entry mode

[winged sinew]

fake black dragons

[livid slate]

It's hard if you try to not do the mechanics

[winged sinew]

i thought black dragon hide was 100% droprate

[pure karma]

yeah same

idk where i found some skinless boneless dragons

[ripe turtle]

I would say it's easier than cox, harder than toa

really nothing is different between entry mode and normal mode other than stuff hits harder

long as u generally know what you're doing and don't kill your whole team on bloat/maze, you'll be fine

[livid slate]

Back to the trenches I go

[ripe turtle]

(just do keep in mind, you want at least some kind of melee pacts because mage will work on a lot of stuff, but not on bloat really)

even just getting t2 to get the extra light melee hitsplat works wonders

[livid slate]

I don't have the patience to make 1k of them in one sitting lmao

[rich spear]

21 pacts I lagged my way through triple jad task

[dusk cedar]

apparently if you steal something from one market stall, the vendor from the same type of stall in a different place will also say you robbed him.

[kind cairn]

can you just out-dps some of the mechanics? like I know Lithic sceptre's special attack is typeless so it hits every spider type

[rich spear]

Now I'm afking shamans

[livid slate]

Some of them yeah

But not all

[tawdry carbon]

lol tob is so silly everyone is using staff

[jagged monolith]

who is it better ot task skip for smoke devils?

[scenic garden]

so I had an idea, after dying to echo amox and seeing my thorns got it to 45 health
it worked

[frosty cradle]

These pacts: Melee weapons under 1kg always trigger additional melee hit 40% of the base max hit + the other perks about <1kg adding 20% melee strength and going 1 tick faster

Is it worth making a build around that? I been going that route and its not bad, just have dragon dagger rn and its not terrible. Just feel like with all the other builds people are having this one may yield underpowered results

any ideas?

was planning on getting whip to make it much better

idk what other weapons qualify under 1kg

[versed root]

anyone know why fishing from "harpoon/big net" spots with Endless Harvest arent making me follow it like its supposed to?

[scenic garden]

I am cheese incarnate

this is why I play leagues

[jagged monolith]

bro do you need smoke devil task to kill them?

[scenic garden]

yes

not for echo thermy tho

[manic prairie]

are anti venoms locked to elf land?

[scenic garden]

thought that was supposed to be fixed, do a bug report (big red button on the chat box)

[frosty cradle]

also kinda lame that when spec'ng the double hit doesnt apply lol. kinda dont understand this build path if u dont get to do weird stuff like this

[livid slate]

In my 1tick Water Thorns build I specced into this to make my abyssal tent better for tob

It's decent

but not as a main focus

[jagged monolith]

whos the best master to get the task from?? ive spent like 400 poionts alrdy

[scenic garden]

look up who can give the tasks. they have their main game task lists. also make sure you have the level for smoke devils

[frosty cradle]

hmm ight so not gr8 for main. i see. All i see out here so far is peeps who are doing the water thorn, air prayer, and crossbow build

[jagged monolith]

im 93 slayer and ave blocked high weighted stuff yet i havent gotten 1 task

[scenic garden]

🤷

again, make sure you're getting tasks from a master that can assign smoke devils

the wiki should have that info

[jagged monolith]

ik its either steve or kuradel

[scenic garden]

do you have culling spree?

[jagged monolith]

yes

[scenic garden]

boss slayer off? that can give you a 3rd normal monster instead of one guaranteed boss choice

[jagged monolith]

ima do that next

[scenic garden]

idk if it does anything, but could also try doing some 5kc tasks to see if it changes what they assign

[rich spear]

I'm gonna have to figure out moons because my melee setup gets annihilated

[scenic garden]

instead of pure skips (if you're doing that)

[scenic garden]

yeah, you need to know the mechanics for it

[rich spear]

It's not that

It's the auto attacks

I get absolutely fucked because I have no defense

[soft arrow]

Is there a list of different end game 40 point builds?

[manic prairie]

what do i do for araxxor if i dont have anti venom

[scenic garden]

what are you wearing mage gear?

vestments?

[rich spear]

I brought melee gear

Which my bis is obby

So defense is in the gutter

[pure karma]

just reroll water mage thorns

[rich spear]

I don't have enough pacts to go into thorns

[pure karma]

then just do water mage

[rich spear]

And I'm building up for thermy/gauntlet

[pure karma]

pretty sure its only 5 points

[scenic garden]

you can cure venom with 2 doses of anti-poison

[winged sinew]

for these to, it's perfect

[pure karma]

kill his children

[scenic garden]

or two uses of cure me if you have access to lunars

[pure karma]

they drop stackable antivenoms

[rich spear]

One lasts forever with sustenance

[scenic garden]

oh right, you can eat those

[rich spear]

The venom sacks are food technically

[surreal kiln]

lmao nice

[jagged monolith]

yea i think my shit is glitched

https://gyazo.com/ebbb01462baf785b97b8287c5c469e6b

wtf is this

[scenic garden]

I saw someone get 2 aby demon tasks

[manic prairie]

does he not apply venom himself?

[scenic garden]

I guess it just rolls 2x for choices with no redundancy checks

[pure karma]

outside of araxxor

[smoky raft]

fih

[scenic garden]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-emperors-new-groove-its-all-coming-together-gif-12813012

[tough finch]

no, doesn't work

strange fruit or bust

[dusk cedar]

anyone know where Crash Site Cavern is?

[tough finch]

north of gnome stronghold

[winged sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-npc-man-hu-ha-nice-day-for-fishing-morning-mornin-gif-17883323

[dusk cedar]

yeah, but where north?

[scenic garden]

head northwest from the grand tree

go thru the fence

go northeast into the cave

[dusk cedar]

thank you

[winged sinew]

32nd pact gotten as i got a echo weapon

🙂

[tough finch]

I'm at 29 with a few more easy ones on the way, feeling good

[wooden hamlet]

Guys I cannot decide my last region. I have Mory and Zeah right now. I am doing a thorns build + blindbag so I figured Asgarnia for godswords. However, if I ever want to switch to something else then my regions kinda lock me into melee. So I figured maybe kandarin? For a potential mage switch and ring of suffering for thorns. But other than that it does not have much for me... Is the mage echo weapon a requirement for mage build or just a good QoL?

[ripe turtle]

drip

[tough finch]

mage echo weapon is such a ridiculous increase to mage gaming playstyle it's hard to say no

[ripe turtle]

that's my plan lol

yeah mage echo wep goes crazy

[wooden hamlet]

Mhh okay that's good to know.. I'll need to figure it out in 20 tasks lol

[covert wolf]

take desert then you can enjoy the big 3 raids

honestly don't trying to get purple kinda rng and it sucks

[rich spear]

Yeah once I get the blessing and the thermy items I'm deciding whether to go into melee thorns or do inferno

[tough finch]

Like, I'm doing fire water. Fire spreads to 2 nearby enemies. The 2nd smaller hit also spreads. Which makes every hit build up even more burn, and every hit with water heal even more. it's just crazy good.

When I got the echo wep it substantially increased my dps and elemental effects

[rich spear]

I might stay mage tank for inferno and 6 jad

[tough finch]

I did 5 jad with like 22 pts and no echo weap and I'm almost ready to return to attempt 6 jad

[rich spear]

I actually did naturally well praying off triple jad only issue was lag spikes

[covert wolf]

suffering from afk

[rich spear]

And my acc was kinda buns I splashed a lot

[tough finch]

6 jad is just so hard to keep up

Huge mental strain, smoke poured out of my ears even after just 15-20s

knocking one down asap is going to help a lot

[wooden hamlet]

Mhh on the other hand, asgarnia has gwd which is more bossing

[pure karma]

do i quit or keep going?

[spare mica]

finish what you've started.

[scenic garden]

does "equip all zenyte jewellery" include the unenchanted versions?

I just got the equip a piece of zenyte jewellery from putting on the ring before enchanting it

[fallow vault]

I read awhile back bosses that drop part item now drop whole e.g god swords

[spare mica]

the jewellery is the same enchanted or not. the ring is a ring whether its suffering

[fallow vault]

Is that a thing for this league

[pure karma]

they drop pieces now

[scenic garden]

definitely wouldn't be whole godswords cause all the pieces for those drop in asgarnia. it's for things you need two or more areas for, like eternal boots

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Pacts_League/Boosted_drops

[versed root]

it works in varlamore but not burg de rott

[golden stag]

The thorn air mage build can't use devil's element right because it doesn't trigger thorns?

[scenic garden]

correct, it's a shield slot item, not a shield

[golden stag]

kk well then my echo thermy grind is done for now

[covert wolf]

didn't you say they gonna boost it in next patch or something?

best answer is skip and do some other task

[pure karma]

boost what

[covert wolf]

you have tons of things that you can do instead of focusing one stuff

which region has that requirement?

[pure karma]

global

we're all in this together

[covert wolf]

huh?

[loud beacon]

do you get exp increase from the last relic unlock?

[pure karma]

no

[loud beacon]

do you have the last?

[covert wolf]

oh

i just realize

[cursive glacier]

Yep, 400 pts global wheee

[pure karma]

i dont understand 6 jads

do i need to change prayers every tick?

[covert wolf]

either way i dont wanna do tthis dfs

[scenic garden]

the only one that's bugged is the xp buff in t5 which I think was supposed to be in t6? but aside from that all the boost info is in the relics tab

[covert wolf]

until it was the last resort

i'm already busy with wildy drops

[cursive glacier]

There are worse grinds imo

At least dfs is a useful item

[candid harbor]

if i aint getting on my 35th med clue scroll ranger boots nah i aint playing no more leagues i aint doing most boring grind ever

[scenic garden]

there are 96,040 points between Global, Varlamore, Karamja, and the 3 area choices. You will likely not need the dfs task to get dragon trophy (if that's your goal)

[muted needle]

why are the leagues players who can only do pvms duringn leagues because they have shitty skills in main game are so demanding like they want faster kill than 1sec lmao

also with drops 🫥

[covert wolf]

guess dragon was possible

[scenic garden]

def possible, it's only 68% of the available points

[cursive glacier]

Gl, you have over 50% of quitting then

[covert wolf]

im bringing that trophy home on my first league

i can spend the points even after the league is over right?

[pure karma]

huh ok

[scenic garden]

should be able to

[cursive glacier]

I have 600 tasks complete out of 1060 in my regions

Im still addy tho since easy tasks barely contribute but it feels good to knock em out and get the task complete popup

[scenic garden]

1.2% of leagues players haven't opened the leagues menu

[cursive glacier]

Maybe 1.2% havent wikisynced

[muted needle]

those are people who chose wrong world

[smoky raft]

100.2% of desert players have completed The Golem

[scenic garden]

I would expect that would need to be the number that have synced

[muted needle]

lol

[cursive glacier]

Probably actually

[muted needle]

here

100% d only explanation

[scenic garden]

how tf

[smoky raft]

[muted needle]

some got banned

just the math guys

lol

[dusty halo]

2 Heavy frames 1/1500 drop befor a zenyte 1/300...

[scenic garden]

98.7% have killed a cockatrice?

[scenic garden]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Pacts_League/Boosted_drops

1/60 drop

and the heavy frame would be 1/300

[spring cipher]

ayy

[scenic garden]

unless you're killing the tormented gorillas for some reason

[dusty halo]

exactly. i've killed well over 100 and i get 2 frames and 0 shards

[cursive glacier]

Tiny sample size strikes again

[smoky raft]

^

rng becomes less predictable as drop rates become more common

[cursive glacier]

Thats a good way of putting it

[torpid trench]

Is there a build that can focus on the dihns bulwark?

Obv thorns, but thats like 10 pacts tops, what about the rest

[smoky raft]

blindbag's pretty much your only option

[torpid trench]

Does blindbag get much sustain, or is it all about coping on the dopamine dump to kill the boss before it kills you?

[smoky raft]

Thorns already has a good amount of sustain

[ripe turtle]

no sustain

[scenic garden]

all cope. kill it before it kills you.

[ripe turtle]

well, i mean, some sustain ig, but not much

nowhere near anything like water spell healing

[torpid trench]

Thorns doesnt sustain? Theres the one node that heals you for 2hp when something splashed on you, but thats not thorns

Admittedly, to build thorns, you get tanky af, so itll probably come into play, but still

[smoky raft]

10% chance to heal per thorns hitsplat

[ripe turtle]

the melee healing perks proc off of thorns

[scenic garden]

you can get that and the node that has a 10% chance to heal based on distance, but that's barely ever gonna proc

[ripe turtle]

also blood fury procs off thorns

[torpid trench]

oh wait the thorns hit counts as melee?

I assumed it was typeless

[scenic garden]

your best bet is going morytania and getting a blood fury

[smoky raft]

that pact specifically mentions thorns

[ripe turtle]

TECHNICALLY melee

it's weird

[scenic garden]

melee in every way that counts

[torpid trench]

interesting

and im def not going mory

[ripe turtle]

shayz warriors don't count it as melee

[torpid trench]

so if it depends on bloodfury, im just not doin

[scenic garden]

it gets blocked by melee pray

[ripe turtle]

lol

[smoky raft]

Demonic Gorillas will swap to pray melee off of thorns damage if you miss enough

[scenic garden]

50% prayer pen

[uneven laurel]

Regular hydras can drop thw Bonecrusher necklace in the league, right? The wiki omits whether they do, and I'm almost 2x dry on it, so I'm worried it's boss only like the lance

[ripe turtle]

yeah if u want sustain with blindbag u gotta go mory unfort, otherwise just spec into max damage

20% seems like it would heal you a lot but it is genuinely nothing