#leagues-general

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worldly nest
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oh i figured they were since it needs like 56 slayer right?

shy light
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thorns go brrrr lol

kind quail
austere mirage
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if i can go back to terror birds while getting up slayer i will try!

torpid trench
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If devils element wont work, and my friend has kand/tirr as their regions, whats the best 1h shield they can pair with their quadrant? crystal?

worldly nest
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also is warped the easiest to get with low lvl slayer? or is there an another thats easy to get

pure karma
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anyone know if i can use contact npc to get a slayer task?

short cave
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1/60 for the shard from gorilla right?

uneven laurel
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Is there anything to do with 100k water runes other than just drop them or leave them in the bank like they're points

strange jacinth
tame flax
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i wish i had my kings barrage on me

austere mirage
glad patrol
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anyone know pest control worlds?

uneven laurel
tame flax
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wow corp is completely full

torpid trench
foggy spindle
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Howdy folks

sterile pewter
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I feel like I got alittle scammed by endless harvest. It doesnt work endlessly on every fishing spot like it claims

austere mirage
foggy spindle
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Currently Iโ€™m 69 tasks away from unlocking the fourth region, right now I have the default starting region, Karamja and the wildy unlocked, which region is the best pick for the fourth?

torpid trench
smoky raft
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that's a good thing imo

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leagues are supposed to be limiting

torpid trench
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Nah, not like this

uneven laurel
torpid trench
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Its one thing to let me choose to have that limit, because i dont value misthalin

smoky raft
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exactly like this imo

strange jacinth
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bro wouldve hated twisted league

past birch
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If we can consider anything important

sterile pewter
strange jacinth
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varlamore only wouldve been cool

uneven laurel
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I'm guessing it tries to path when a spot disappears, and the pathing function fails at some spots

tawdry carbon
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is there a way to get a crystal halberd in the league

smoky raft
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twisted league was good in its focus on one region but the relative lack of player agency wasn't great

torpid trench
# smoky raft exactly like this imo

The difference is in the choice. I didnt pick misthalin because it only had 1 thing I wanted is not the same as I cannot even consider picking misthalin no matter how much content is has that I want

smoky raft
cosmic saddle
smoky raft
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I'm not looking up how to actually spell Tir, fuck that

austere mirage
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starting in valamore is weird but it was nice to struggle and learn a new region

torpid trench
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I think varla was the best start imaginable tbh

strange jacinth
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not missing misthalin at all tbh

austere mirage
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i dont think Valamore is in rs3 or i just missed it

tame flax
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varlamore is better than misthalin

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its not in rs3

uneven laurel
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At least Jagex was merciful enough not to require Asgarnia as well for western provinces diary

torpid trench
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Its new enough to give even veteran players a lot of new challenges

tame flax
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i dont think kourend even is

torpid trench
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and content rich enough that even casual players could get started fast because there was just so much to do and so many easy tasks

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perfect starting region, 10/10

austere mirage
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that is good

shy ruin
torpid trench
tame flax
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oh wow rs3's map is so awful and empty looking compared to osrs

austere mirage
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3 kills left! am i gonna get a lava staff?

tame flax
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you wanna borrow one of mine i have like 14

uneven laurel
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I'm currently 5x dry on tentacle, going on 6x

torpid trench
cursive glacier
shy ruin
strange jacinth
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it really doesnt take much to make cosmetic items man

cursive glacier
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a lot of rs3 content is just crammed into old spaces

tame flax
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oh wait yeah karamja gloves can tp to duradel

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score

lone bloom
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i fucking hate farming in leagues rn. everything keeps dying with compost

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mahogany tree died 4 times in a row and its a task

peak crypt
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I just used transmute to turn compost into ultracompost, haven't had any issue since

uneven laurel
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I'm getting Karamja elite last because I want to put the elite Kandarin lamp on Runecraft

strange jacinth
lone bloom
strange jacinth
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transmute maybe

shy ruin
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you can get yanille seeds outside of kandarin lmao

crystal kelp
tacit oyster
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Aldarin has hops patch, can thiev seeds from master farmer

kind quail
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damn dragon sq shield doesnt give task points

lone bloom
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then i gotta grow the hops and those will prob die too

crystal kelp
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Damn, he's getting cooked

pure karma
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hops are entry level farming

crystal kelp
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He's so mad but also so wrong

shy ruin
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supercompost is piss easy to make, use it

crystal kelp
lone bloom
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pretty sure i have been using supercompost

uneven laurel
peak crypt
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have you tried super compost?

crystal kelp
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"pretty sure"

My money is nope

lone bloom
pure karma
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imagine not taking transmute

kind quail
crystal kelp
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Reload into Butler smh

shy ruin
fair swallow
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33 cave spiders 2 grubby keys

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why couldn't i get this rng on my 1st one

austere mirage
pure karma
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sweet

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ty

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thanks jagex.

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i cant contact krystilia

lone bloom
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yep i have been using super, its what i take out of the compost bin

pure karma
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shes there but since shes in edge, shes not "there"

strange jacinth
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have you tried super saiyan compost

austere mirage
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Ahhhhh i had Duradel

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no idea what is going on for you

shy ruin
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arent all slayer masters the same? why do you need that one

pure karma
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no

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they changed that

shy ruin
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lame

lone bloom
strange jacinth
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not quite krys only gives wildy task pretty much

austere mirage
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if i block black demons while its my task will it change it?

pure karma
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so the game thinks she doesnt exist since they moved her to ferox

austere mirage
pure karma
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even though i can see her lmao

austere mirage
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Ohhhh i dont know where Ferox is

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ah did they move her they for the league?

pure karma
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yeah

austere mirage
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ahhh yeah i bet that is a league bug

tame flax
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it is SO cool when i attack a full hp boss or mob and i get the stupid little marker saying i get nothing for doing it

austere mirage
pure karma
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npcs hp should reset along with their combat status if the person attacking them leaves the zone

austere mirage
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i had to kill 5 creatures to start getting loot from them, like who went though and just poked each one and left

short cave
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181 gorilla no ezo shard, that seems messed up if 5x multiplier applies to them

tame flax
uneven laurel
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I run sometimes past monsters with my shield equipped, and when they chip themselves on me I just think, oof for whoever tries fighting them

tacit oyster
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I blame all those thorns users running around getting hit by aggressive mobs scronglypirate

tame flax
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all 4 tapped by some jagoff

minor summit
tame flax
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its like you can crash people HOURS after you were there

surreal ingot
uneven laurel
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I don't think I even have a region where doing that is possible

austere mirage
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if i went against a boss and it showed that symbol i would just cry

short cave
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assuming gorillas got boosted drop rates

surreal ingot
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I just don't think drop multipliers work, I went 2x dry and got the pitty drop for 2/4 echo items

austere mirage
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but if a mob gets full health again after it has taken damage then it should be wiped clean of being attack previously

surreal ingot
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Almost got the 150 ea dks still no archer ring

short cave
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echo drops dont have multi do they?

uneven laurel
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It should probably be addressed with a patch that makes monsters reset after minutes from combat that only gave them incidental chip

surreal ingot
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No but a 1/30 isn't that rare

short cave
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fair. i feel the same about 1/60 yet here i am lmfao

tame flax
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for any mob

short cave
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it also took me 64 kills to get a defender on top floor guild

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which is lower than base game rate

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my rng is just genuinely shit

tame flax
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but like you go to any multi slayer zone and you have to clear the whole place once for nothing

strange jacinth
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its not always correct sometimes they only damaged another player and youll still get loot even with the symbols

surreal ingot
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๐Ÿฟ

short cave
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my ultor ring no

austere mirage
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i got my hopes up and thought i did a pact task

uneven laurel
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I just got points for killing the kraken 300 times. Still no tent. why

surreal ingot
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Wait you got ultor?! No wonder rng hates you, you took it for all its worth

gray shadow
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Is there a shades of mortton world? Nobody on "Group PvM" and I dont think I can do the quest solo

sturdy estuary
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anyone knows if the totem pieces for skotizo are boosted?

strange jacinth
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but sounds non issue, if this bothers you youre either not killing things fast enough to need to kill every tagged monster in the room with the quick respawns

or it shouldnt bother you since you killed them all fast enough

surreal ingot
pure karma
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damn, dark warriors suck as a task

shy ruin
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i got the full blue moon set and the dual mochiatl before i get a single piece of the eclipse set ๐Ÿ™ƒ

austere mirage
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black demons have been my worst task so far since i got rubbish from them and it was very busy area

versed root
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how are u supposed to start runecrafting? im literally level 23 and still have no access to any alters

surreal ingot
versed root
austere mirage
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[[sulfer ore]]

tame flax
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you only need 27

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do cosmics then natures

surreal ingot
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The yellow ones, they also drop the double blades

tame flax
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do your karamja diary for 27

surreal ingot
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Sulphurous essence

austere mirage
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[[Sulphurous essence]]

obsidian bluffBOT
austere mirage
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that!

tame flax
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sulphurous essence is bait

versed root
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bro said craft runes after i said i cant craft runes lol

potent quail
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what are good slayer tasks?
someone said jellys but they feel terrible lol

tame flax
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sure if you ignore everything i said

surreal ingot
versed root
shy light
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I just barely can do the 180 ranged bonus master step lol

potent quail
surreal ingot
austere mirage
versed root
tame flax
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oh my god read

surreal ingot
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You can get it from diary like he suggested

tame flax
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please

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figure out what words are

surreal ingot
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or lamps from randoms or those essence for like 10 is like 6k

versed root
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the first mesg u sent said craft runes thats all i was responding to

strange jacinth
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im like negative iq

potent quail
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make that 5

shy ruin
slow flower
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Damn, I just discovered the easiest way to get free food with abundance and transmute, without ever fishing.

potent quail
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make that 6

shy ruin
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i wish moons of peril had a pet ๐Ÿ˜ž

austere mirage
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woah you have a staff!

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is that mist?

potent quail
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dkd

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yea

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didnt even knew jellys drop that

austere mirage
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woooooooo time to party

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congratz

strange jacinth
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are you on something

potent quail
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omg

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its only from superiors

shy ruin
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i got a mist and dust battlestaff, didnt even realize they are rare

silent garnet
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2.7 million farming exp
11200 soul shards

Is every relic bugged?

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Like just all of them?

potent quail
surreal ingot
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Its only from harvesting exp so planting and other stuff doesn't count

shy ruin
potent quail
surreal ingot
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Bigger health check exp = more shards

potent quail
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unless you got relic

silent garnet
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I got 1/15 of that

shy ruin
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its intended

silent garnet
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11k soul shards per 2.7m exp is 1 shard per 241 exp

silent garnet
shy ruin
austere mirage
shy ruin
potent quail
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so yeah i think konarr is the play
with the relic i get the points to skip and she can give me any task

so i can slowly farm up every rare drop

austere mirage
silent garnet
# shy ruin

It is giving 1/241 th the experience. It isn't using the base ame as a calc

tame flax
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what are you harvesting

silent garnet
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2,700,000 // 16 = 168,750 shards.

And instead, I'm getting 11k shards.

surreal ingot
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You are taking full exp

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not the exp of what you would have got base

strange jacinth
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lmfao

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READ

silent garnet
tame flax
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you are giving us a number and not what you are harvesting

potent quail
surreal ingot
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2,700,000/16= base exp then /4 = shards

silent garnet
mighty zodiac
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oh demonic gorillas with 50% prayer penetration is so chill lmao

tame flax
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you know its a lot easier to do math if you make it way more complicated for yourself

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demonic gorillas without prayer pen is chill idk why i thought this would suck

shy ruin
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i got the eclipse moon helm and its a +1 range bonus over my armadyl coif ๐Ÿ˜

tame flax
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crossbows so strong

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i wonder if my kings barrage could completely afk it with the magic and ranged dmg

silent garnet
fair swallow
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8 grubby keys now trying to get all these torn pages

fair swallow
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pls jagex

surreal ingot
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Should only be getting 42187, and thats only if all 2.7m is harvest/checking health exp

strange jacinth
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except you stop attacking when they swap

potent quail
austere mirage
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you do have to dislike the people who have a mob right next to them but they go and hit the one next to you instead

silent garnet
tame flax
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i wish i could get my kings barrage out of the goddamn bank

potent quail
shy ruin
tame flax
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best would be something without variable harvest

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like a tree

dry wigeon
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What are the seeds we need from CG on leagues?

strange jacinth
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are you basing the xp off natures harvest?

silent garnet
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You are obviously wrong by a literal order of magnitude.

potent quail
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can you give a simple example? i dont understand

strange jacinth
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waiting for the mathmetician smackdown

tame flax
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no he cant

silent garnet
surreal ingot
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You only get 13 shards per watermelon harvested

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how many are you getting out of each patch?

shy ruin
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the amount of shards you get is NOT affected by ANY xp multipliers

silent garnet
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as I previously stated.

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Is there anyone here that can do math - at all????

strange jacinth
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bro refuses to give the actual numbers

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of resources

surreal ingot
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So you only get 1 shard per watermelon?

silent garnet
austere mirage
strange jacinth
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nah bro, how many melons

silent garnet
surreal ingot
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base exp for harvesting a single melon is 54/4=13.5 shards probably rounded up so its like 13/14 shards per single melon harvested

tame flax
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lmao he's just trolling

silent garnet
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10 watermelons gives me 8760 xp and 13 soul shards

torn lynx
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Wait

rancid badge
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guys do i reload into endless harvest or soul harvest. currently have barbarian, woodsman, transmute, larcenist

torn lynx
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Do you have nature's accord and are thinking they stack? Because they don't

rancid badge
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how rough is runecrafting with zmi

strange jacinth
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hes saying 10 like he has natures harvest which doesnt affect shards

tame flax
silent garnet
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My watermelon patch just gave me

69,800 exp
80 watermelons
104 soul shards

tame flax
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the problem is always getting essence, not using it

silent garnet
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All of you are wrong

tame flax
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math isnt wrong

surreal ingot
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Soul harvest is if you have no better way to get rc and want easy prayer. endless harvest is if you don't want ot waste time on farming and need resources it gives like herb/secondaries

silent garnet
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It is obviously not giving me shards pre-mult

torn lynx
rocky sequoia
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which is faster? smelting gold ore without gold gloves or smithing bronze bars on karamja?

potent quail
silent garnet
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It is DOUBLE un-giving shards

I'm getting 1/16 of 1/16

rancid badge
potent quail
strange jacinth
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said like 3 times natures harvest DOES NOT AFFECT SHARDS

cursive glacier
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Chat do i need to wait 24h per hespori kc, or is there some mechanic to bypass that?

surreal ingot
silent garnet
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Just did another alotment of watermelon

50 melons
43,600 xp
65 soul shards

meager pike
potent quail
silent garnet
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The actual number should be

43,600 / 16 = 2,725

shy ruin
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its base 4 xp

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so divide it by 4

meager pike
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80 melons is 8 different harvests, each harvest is giving you 10x melons, you don't get 10x the shards

cursive glacier
strange jacinth
surreal ingot
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43600/16/4= shards

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but it does seem broken if he got 80 from a patch he should have 1040 not 104

potent quail
surreal ingot
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its 13 shards per watermelon because base exp is 54/4

silent garnet
strange jacinth
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mods, ban this guy

shy ruin
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divide by 16, 4, and 10

silent garnet
strange jacinth
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users, ignore this guy

meager pike
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If cosmic is my highest altar, am I basically stuck with cosmic altar for RC?

silent garnet
# surreal ingot K

You said I should get 681 shards and I only got 65

Its off by a factor of 10

surreal ingot
meager pike
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cause I am not grabbing SH just for rc

strange jacinth
tame flax
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god i wish i could use my bank again

silent garnet
tame flax
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got 24 hours left until i can again ๐Ÿ˜ญ

potent quail
shy ruin
rare hollow
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shades of morton quest

strange jacinth
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youre so confident youre right youre disregarding contrary evidence

rare hollow
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why is the fire altar not being rebuilt

potent quail
tame flax
surreal ingot
potent quail
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it would not even be a insane buff if they allowed this interaction

tame flax
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my mans using toilet paper math

surreal ingot
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Missed where he said he had acord

silent garnet
meager pike
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you still only harvest once, you get 10x yield which isn't a harvest

silent garnet
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Everything in the damn league is bugged and it sucks

shy ruin
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its not bugged you just misunderstand it and refuse to acknowledge you are wrong when given evidence

strange jacinth
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yeah case closed everyone he was right all along

meager pike
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cause sh clearly says 1/4xp "per harvest"

potent quail
meager pike
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not per yield

silent garnet
silent garnet
meager pike
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nah, its alright, there's 48 days left, just play a different acc, ez

strange jacinth
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living room: oh its working as intended but the text was misleading, sorry guys for flaming you all

there now you dont need to say anything else

kind quail
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isnt this a bit backwards? 50 is 200 points and 100 is 80

hearty lintel
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Bugged task: "fletch 250 redwood logs into arrow shafts." completes after like 3 redwood logs lol

silent garnet
strange jacinth
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is that 90 per log?

hearty lintel
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105

strange jacinth
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sounds like they done mixed up logs with arrow shafts

potent quail
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JO WTF
the head is a 1/3000

pure karma
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why am i getting mage/ranged by this rev dragon?

hearty lintel
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Yeap, it's bugged. They def wouldn't put a task to fletch 3 redwood logs

regal spindle
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is there accurate dps checks on whether full crystal armor with crystal blessing, or like full virtus is stronger for mage gear??

kind quail
hearty lintel
potent quail
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THE HEAD IS NOT BUFFED
i jsut got a 1/3000 at 30 kc

silent garnet
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The WHOLE POINT of natures accord is to buff your farming xp and it doesn't even wrk with the thing that tracks farming xp.

shy ruin
potent quail
potent quail
torn lynx
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Two relics for 200m in rcing and prayer is....bad

silent garnet
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The mods literally say

"It just tracks farming xp ... but it doesn't work with the thing that buffs farming xp"

If you ahve to make a modpost explaining it ... THEN CHANGE THE IN GAME DESCRIPTION

potent quail
silent garnet
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"whoopsie"

potent quail
regal spindle
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is there accurate dps checks on whether full crystal armor with crystal blessing, or like full virtus is stronger for mage gear??

steep glacier
hearty lintel
silent garnet
surreal ingot
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#altaccount

hearty lintel
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Just start over if you're unhappy with the fact that they don't work?

potent quail
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BIG BOY

hearty lintel
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It'll take like 2 seconds to get back to where you are

silent garnet
peak crypt
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Did they make it easier to get the chompy bird tasks done by chance? Or would I still have to kill 1000 of those fuckers?

regal spindle
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is there accurate dps checks on whether full crystal armor with crystal blessing, or like full virtus is stronger for mage gear??

hearty lintel
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I mean the mods clarified it's working as intended, what more do you want them to do?

cyan cove
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whats harder solo royal titans or echo amoxalati

regal spindle
hearty lintel
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depends on your build

shy ruin
cyan cove
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bc ive died twice now to that stupid floating twat

shy ruin
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royal titans isnt hard solo

surreal ingot
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Depends on build I guess if you have thorns you can just sit in echo amox and he kills himself if you can keep up eating

surreal ingot
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Don't have and never done titants so cant say for sure on that

regal spindle
cyan cove
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I dont have thorns i have the Bluetooth hally build

austere depot
potent quail
cyan cove
potent quail
austere depot
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Oh rip

cyan cove
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and I cant tank her with unlimited food

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she hits to hard and fast to just tank

silent garnet
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In the base game, if I harvest 50 watermelons I get 2,725 xp

That should mean I get

2,725 xp / 4 = 681.25 shards.

But I actually only get 65 shards. And that sucks.

shy ruin
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u gotta be patient when fighting echo amox, its 1 attack per movement, sometimes less

silent garnet
cyan cove
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yeah I some how end up moving on her attack tic and she deleted me twice now

shy ruin
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i get 1700 from 2 maples

potent quail
austere mirage
surreal ingot
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Yea, just take it slow get use to the movement, I was doing 3 steps 1 attack when I first started

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got to 2 steps to 1 attack

silent garnet
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Oh cool. IT turns out its bugged even harder than I thought, because limpwurt roots DO give extra shards and exp.

silent garnet
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Nice. Let everyone know if you ahve soul harvest + nature's accord to do limpwurt runs.You get like 10k shards per limp

steep glacier
pure karma
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can anyone help me figure out how to safe spot revs?

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i think its my stats but idk

potent quail
hearty lintel
austere mirage
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apparently if i survive 100 seconds in the room with the queen i win!

austere depot
silent garnet
shy ruin
steep glacier
hearty lintel
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sorry you're unhappy with the relic, but they've made it clear it's working as intended.

silent garnet
potent quail
surreal ingot
potent quail
silent garnet
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And if you ahve something your wrote down, for players to read and make plans with, it out to do what it says it will do

ANd it doesn't.

hearty lintel
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Neither was the xp multiplier, or half the spelling on the blogpost, they make mistakes, just buy another account and try again if you're not having fun my guy, it's a game

austere mirage
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for now i am aiming for the next relic!

hearty lintel
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it's only like $15 for a new character for the month

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it's not a big deal

austere mirage
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4520 to go!

silent garnet
hearty lintel
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??

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It's a video game, either have fun, or change something until you're having fun

surreal ingot
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Got like 5k for the last one, I'm at the clean up the list step where I pretty much skim wiki go "i can do that easy" then go do it

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I need to get more pack points to increase my accuracy full melee armour and mage doesn't do the best

cyan cove
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im going to keep trying amox once I fix all the barrows she keeps breaking

hearty lintel
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amox echo was a really fun fight

austere depot
surreal ingot
silent garnet
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People should be advocating for things which make this game mode more accessible to NEW PLAYERS.

I am a veteran player getting 2 new people to try runescape for the first time

Both of those people did this relic combo and both of them are really dissapointed that their soul harvest didn't improve when they took natures accord. They reloaded it for that interaction - which clearly should work according to the in game description - and they are both quite sad.

And that sucks.

dusk cedar
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where can i find a bunch of chickens in one place? i need to do the "kill 3 in 6 seconds" task.

silent garnet
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Its bad and anti-player

#

And if you are defending it all you are doing - whether you intend to or not - is saying that new palyers shouldn't have access to the same info you do.

hearty lintel
#

It's naive to think that two relics would interact correctly without needing multiple patches, I don't believe that you're actually a veteran lol

minor summit
#

Is Scorpia immune to thorns or recoil?

lean hearth
#

just got up to the reloaded relic, if I want to max the points I get from clue scrolls stuff I should probably go conniving clues over larcenist right?

silent garnet
potent quail
#

well f me that kurask greenlogged in 91 kc

austere depot
lean hearth
brazen chasm
hearty lintel
#

Most of the relics don't fully work on their on, standalone. To assume two relics would interact with each other and work perfectly is a fools errand.

tawdry carbon
#

boooooo

lean hearth
#

so it's either between larcenist, conniving clues and soul harvest.

brazen chasm
tawdry carbon
#

same rate as any of the other 3 right

lean hearth
silent garnet
torn lynx
brazen chasm
#

youll want larc for them, otherwise you can skip it

silent garnet
#

Also, gotr is SUPER HARD when you only have like 5 people. Its genuinely tough

minor summit
copper skiff
#

i unlocked minion whats easiest way to get zamorak gear to upgrade it

minor summit
#

Clues

silent garnet
lean hearth
#

larcenist might be the pick tbh, that way I can still lean a bit into clues, and pickpocketing either elves or vyres won't be misery

velvet hornet
#

there any reason to use the buttlers bell regularly? liek is ther a limlit to how much it can store at once? or can i ignore it for like 2 days

copper skiff
pure karma
#

why are revs still maging me?

austere depot
#

They just really like maging

#

What's your mage lvl?

pure karma
#

99 range and mage

#

95 def

marble kestrel
#

yeah your melee def isn't low enough for them to prioritize that

pure karma
#

how low does it need to be?

molten gust
#

Anyone happen to know if there is a wintertodt world? Well one where a decent amount of people gather.

marble kestrel
#

I don't think anyone's calculated the exact number we just Frankenstein gear and trial and error revs until they finally start using melee

pallid moth
#

I just don't understand people, man. some guy logs in while I'm in the slayer cave doing an abby demon task, tb's me, then spams his 1t staff at me until I eventually die. I lose nothing but time because I have a pretty quick tp back to near the cave. what was the point? wasting my time, getting this reaction? he wasn't trying to monopolize the spot, evidently, because he was skulled when he logged in and he was gone when I got back

short cave
#

is there something more profitable and as afk as pp elves with larcy?

tame flax
#

is abyssal demons a good xp task if you arent doing sire

#

i hate that i cant multi them anywhere

brazen chasm
#

yes

austere depot
brazen chasm
#

anytying with superiors basically

tame flax
#

i dont have the slayer relic

boreal imp
#

Anyone wanna run a group nex? Looking for like 2-3 others

cyan cove
#

status report

have died 5 more times
I think my ping might honestly make this impossible

#

the missiles aren't even lining up with the tic

thorny terrace
#

๐Ÿ˜ด took a nap mid zulrah

regal spindle
#

what is it about the air mage build that is strong?

marble kestrel
regal spindle
thorny terrace
tawdry carbon
#

ur zulrah kills are 9 seconds long?

cyan cove
#

if i lose any more to echo amox im 100% going over to easy mode and doing the air build

thorny terrace
#

yeah ik theyre kinda slow StrayDogSadge

brazen chasm
#

nhally bb doesnt get quite that close but there have been a few insane procs near it

cyan cove
#

Bluetooth two hand isn't doing the job with amox

boreal vault
#

does normal cerb drop eternal boots? almost at 600kc and haven't dropped it

tawdry carbon
#

mine are a fuckin min long as blind bag lmao

regal spindle
thorny terrace
#

and full build will look like this

austere depot
thorny terrace
#

use air whenever you want to do big dps and play somewhat actively, water + shield + tanky gear for when you wanna afk

brazen chasm
regal spindle
thorny terrace
#

when youre using air spells, you manual cast water for heals whenever you need them

#

when youre going full water you can afk tank pretty much everything

regal spindle
#

i c

#

are you using the 2 thermo uniques

plucky pine
#

is the smith a rune scim diary step in widly elite buggwed for anyone else?

#

ive done it twice now

#

do i need to smelt both bars at once?

pure karma
#

all inside the resource area?

plucky pine
#

yeah

#

i smelt one, mine more coal, smelt another, then make the bar

#

but it hasnt completed and ive done it twice now

torn lynx
#

Do you have endless/hotfoot?

plucky pine
#

i do have endless yes

#

but im getting them in my inv

#

im gonna try making both bars in one inv

torn lynx
#

Get 4 not 2

plucky pine
#

cause im doing 1 at a time then going to mine more coal

#

hmmm ok

#

smart maube thats it

torn lynx
#

That's how I did it, for some reason it doesn't count the second ore from endless

plucky pine
#

sooooo annoying

#

ok ill try it with 4 bars

austere depot
#

Normally you'd also need to kill two runite golems, idk if that might cause issues if you mine twice the same one

plucky pine
#

yeah i just went to mine more it says diary step is on stage 3 now

#

whatever that means

austere depot
#

Nice

plucky pine
#

ahh i see

wooden finch
#

I died at Vard but I can't find my gravestone, does it go somewhere weird?

thorny terrace
torn lynx
pure karma
#

my grave started showing up at yama after the last update

plucky pine
#

now the imp is trolling lmao

wooden finch
#

Ah yeah it is at Yama

#

Ty all

plucky pine
#

hes making the golem dissapear and giving me bones hahaha, everything going wrong

cyan cove
#

is there a build that'll make amox easier if I have mortania already unlocked, the Bluetooth build with the ice boppers isn't working

#

she just insta deletes me

#

I do the hit, step, hit, step thing but she just hits me on the 2nd step and messes up the whole thing

cyan cove
pure karma
#

take off hotfoot boots

clear raptor
#

what are u guys doing for prayer?

#

I've been at 61 prayer for the longest

cyan cove
#

wait why take off hotfood

#

hotfoot

robust fern
#

Transmute makes prayer ez

pure karma
#

so the bars arent autosmelted

clear raptor
#

no soul/

cyan cove
clear raptor
#

or like what do I do

pure karma
#

i did dragon imp hunting for bones

#

231 at a time

clear raptor
#

o

pure karma
#

but im also wildy so that 231 went a long way

robust fern
#

There's a spot by the mine on aldarin with regular bones, then just transmuted up to daggonoth bones and did the libation bowl

clear raptor
#

how does the ligation bowl work again?

robust fern
#

Bless bones at the teomat and then chisel them. Buy wines in town, bless them at the same place then click the libation bowl as fast as you can

clear raptor
#

kk ๐Ÿ™

thorn marsh
#

If you're using Sunfire wines, add the splinters before blessing the wine..

robust fern
#

A bit more xp if you do ^

tropic valve
#

do you get crystal harpoonfish with barb gathering?

brazen chasm
#

20% is "a bit"

scenic garden
#

how does thorns work against demonic gorillas?

deep estuary
#

were do you report leagues bugs?

scenic garden
#

big red button ingame

thorn marsh
#

For 1t Trident Thorns, how actually useful is the "10% chance to heal based on distance to attacker when Thorns procs" pact..? Healing at most 9 HP with a 10% proc rate (assuming I even can keep max distance from the things attacking me) seems like not very much when I'm healing 1-2HP every tick just from attacking..

deep estuary
scenic garden
#

esp when you go up against bosses

merry wadi
#

i notice it proc quite a bit when you've got a bunch of enemies on you

strange jacinth
#

dont use the litigation bowl by accident

thorn marsh
#

Probs good enough, then..

scenic garden
thorn marsh
#

My other options at this point are just a fourth prayer pen node for 100% penetration or the Air Regen stuff to never run out of prayer..

regal spindle
thorn marsh
#

I'm getting close to the point where I didn't think I'd even get this many Pact points, so I didn't build much further than this..

short cave
ancient wolf
#

I'm getting conflicting information but - should I be going Asgarnia for my 3rd area unlock and then priff or whatever the elf area is for the last? I currently have Mory and I'm going light melee thorns

pure karma
#

whats a fast fishing method for someone who isnt EH?

austere mirage
cyan cove
#

should I turn off auto retaliate for amox?

pure karma
#

yes

pure karma
#

you also need low ping

cyan cove
#

ok maybe thats what is happening

austere mirage
#

Ahhhhhh yeah that thing again!

thorn marsh
#

Soul shards are stackable and can be used as essence for runecrafting..

#

Actually factually Soul Harvest at ZMI is silly.. 360M exp/hr once you have all the soul shards stacked up to just sit there and click..

cyan cove
#

man I honestly think echo amox might actually be unbeatable

#

I live in Alaska so legit the west coast servers are too far

austere mirage
#

really you little shit? no rune? i have a trim for rune!

torn lynx
cyan cove
#

I think AK only has west coast servers

regal spindle
#

So i just moved from powered staves to air/water staves. But all i have is a mystic air staff. Will i do more damage if i hold a zulrah staff and manual cast air spells?

scenic garden
austere mirage
#

Ape Toll

simple hazel
#

Does the 5 perfect vardoris kills without leaving have to be in a row? or just 5 while not leaving

regal spindle
#

What do you think leaving or in a row means? Lol

thorny terrace
#

its water so its slower

#

if you actually know the mechanics air is gonna be quite a bit faster

regal spindle
simple hazel
thorny terrace
#

idk what thermostat is

regal spindle
#

The thermo nucleus smoke devul

thorny terrace
#

but for this to work you need shadowflame quadrant

plucky pine
#

do echo bosses count for slayer? like thermy, garoyles, black dragon, etc?

simple hazel
#

cause the achievment doesnt say 5 in a row

thorny terrace
#

without the echo thermy weapons its a lot weaker tbh

#

before getting it i was using 1t staves (warped sceptre or trident) and 3t bowfa

hollow thicket
#

imbued heart would not boost magic above the +10 boost from pacts, right?

mighty zodiac
#

may have mined a little too much iron for this tokkul grind

simple hazel
#

nvm i completed it, it does NOT have to be in a row lol

mighty zodiac
#

that being said i'll need around 1.2m tokkul? for zenytes

keen stone
#

"As an ironman you may not get kill credit for this monster"
MarioDead MarioDead MarioDead MarioDead MarioDead MarioDead MarioDead MarioDead MarioDead

scenic garden
regal spindle
mighty zodiac
scenic garden
#

ah right

past forge
#

whats the consensus on where people usually put their lamps

#

agi/RC?

thorn marsh
#

I put mine on Thieving..

scenic garden
#

agi has courses, rc is incredibly tedious

strange jacinth
#

your worst skill that you might need to grind up for an unlock on your build

thorn marsh
#

Lamps depend a lot on your relics and regions..

somber meadow
#

how do i get the kand elite diary done if noone is at the barb assault ?

past forge
#

yeah im just asking generally

pure karma
#

what relics do you have?

past forge
#

been holding lamps for awhile bc i cant bank

thorny terrace
#

(i only killed quest version previously)

past forge
#

EH, Woods, EE, Transmute, LArcenist

candid harbor
#

am i dumbass or why does echo thermo switch to ranged when my last attack was magic, and im pretty sure thorns counts as melee dmg for him to switch to melee prayer

past forge
#

do u have minion

mighty zodiac
#

this counts as fire???

scenic garden
#

yes

candid harbor
strange jacinth
#

gives it a nice eggy aroma

past forge
#

beats me then im a noob just trying to help where i can

mighty zodiac
past forge
#

is this the only place to ask leagues questions

hazy anvil
past forge
#

bummer

hazy anvil
past forge
#

This game is such a knowledge gap and im a noob and the game/community is not very new player friendly imo just hard to get help or input from people but i dont wanna whine anymore ive done enough the past few days tbh

strange jacinth
uneven laurel
#

Kraken tentacle! Finally! at 327 KC

scenic garden
#

Why can Steve assign me wyrms when I don't have Kourend? ๐Ÿคจ

hazy anvil
shy ruin
#

WOOO!!! double drop!

uneven laurel
slow flower
#

How do I pay an urchin for information to complete the task?

candid harbor
shy ruin
strange jacinth
#

pov youre being crashed

#

like yeah, really

dusk cedar
#

anyone know where a shooting star is? Under 8+ for now.

sturdy estuary
#

farming is accelerated even without farming relic right?

dusk cedar
#

A little bit, I think. But I could be wrong.

candid harbor
#

Yea reduced to 1min of 1 stage growth

sturdy estuary
#

thank god

weary shadow
#

google "osrs shooting stars tracker" and you'll find a site, just click the leagues part

#

but no active t8's on there sadly

dusk cedar
#

I need underthat anyway. don't have the 80 mining quite yet.

#

and thank you

candid harbor
#

Like ~4 farming zone patches rotation should make ur 1st planted patcg be already grown

grave pollen
#

Finally beat my first echo on mobile

weary shadow
#

Grats! Which one?

grave pollen
#

Hespori

weary shadow
#

625 ๐Ÿ† T8 Gnome Stronghold spirit tree

#

For anyone who needs the T8 shooting star

past forge
#

@hazy anvil dm'd u boss appreciate any input

mighty zodiac
#

wave 43 fight caves and i'm not even prepared for it, i didn't bring food this was literally just killing time while transmuting iron ore

#

no prayer pots either

#

literally just praying mage and the mage heals me...

weary shadow
#

Just remember to pray range against Jad and you'll be fine.

mighty zodiac
#

oh for jad i'll actually focus

weary shadow
#

I made that mistake and had to do it all over again

mighty zodiac
#

i wasn't expecting to get this far lol

fleet jetty
#

can you get prayer scrolls from TOB?

desert narwhal
#

I got a late start to league and only have 10 pact points, I went straight for water spells and 3t combat spells. Now I feel kinda stuck not being about to do any echo bosses. I've unlocked kandarin but idk if I can even manage echo thermo if I camp slayer till 93

fleet jetty
desert narwhal
fleet jetty
#

As long as you can dodge the moves. Its all a rythym thing.

hazy anvil
tame flax
#

just got my third mist staff

#

great

velvet hornet
#

is the slower attack speed for crossbows making the long range and rapid the same ticks? it seems like it

candid harbor
fleet jetty
#

anyone know the rewards for raids? I want to get prayer scrolls from tob

hazy anvil
#

CoX does.

fleet jetty
#

but you can get uniques for other raids i thought

hazy anvil
#

Only mega-rares

fleet jetty
#

only those three? dang. i don't know coxx

#

would solo cox be possible having only been caried once in main?

velvet hornet
#

is the kbd xbow teh same attack speed with long range as rapid with the pact that slows attack speed?

#

can ttell

pure karma
#

is rcing the slowest skill for me?

cursive glacier
#

ive decided to finally do some farming, tithe farm sorta makes it easy wow

#

its probably still worth it to do normal tree runs methinks tho

#

how much xp would a yew tree give?

fleet jetty
#

tithe farm is op. get points for 100 plants each level too. huge xp and rewards.

#

its wild

cursive glacier
#

100k per yew tree sounds pretty good too

#

200k per magic, 280 per dragonfruit

rich spear
#

eternal gem yay

cursive glacier
#

1.7m xp for a fruit tree run with dragonfruit in my regions

austere mirage
#

oh they is a randomer adding people from this server it seems

dusty hound
#

Where's everyone chopping magics (for forestry)

pure karma
#

auburnevale

shy ruin
#

is there a better food than a manta ray i can use for eternal sustenance?

boreal imp
#

anyone for group nex?

boreal imp
#

looking for 1-2 players for small group nex pls no melees

austere mirage
#

it looks like it has been stabbed into the ground

austere mirage
simple hazel
#

Awakened vardoris is literally harder and more bs than 6 jads

desert narwhal
#

after 10 points to water page and fast combat spells idk which way to go, more regen or straight for thorns?

covert wolf
#

did the game secretly not adding the hilt?

#

or maybe the rate is same as main

cyan cobalt
#

Even with natures accord, Iโ€™m struggling to get seeds for stuff

pure karma
#

im free

simple hazel
marble kestrel
#

do people steal from tzhaar gem stall at all or is everyone at varlamore

weary shadow
simple hazel
cyan cobalt
simple hazel
#

I think itโ€™s like 1/3000 for onyx

#

Jk itโ€™s 1/15,000 i was way off

tame flax
#

from what?

simple hazel
#

Shop counter (gems)

tame flax
#

thats not boosted

simple hazel
#

Well then itโ€™s like 1/75,000 lol

desert narwhal
austere mirage
#

i am gonna go left then straight up

#

idk if that is optimal

silent garnet
austere mirage
#

that isnt my first 9

boreal imp
#

looking for 2-3 for group nex

silent garnet
#

I didn't think it would matter that much - totally wrong, its way, way more damage than I appreciated

austere mirage
#

the capstone?

#

the big one at the end?

tame flax
#

thats what capstone means

austere mirage
#

ah okay

#

new word!

copper shale
#

hey anyone wanna fight me in the fight pit for the karmja diary?

tame flax
#

3 more slayer levels to go and i can do thermy

#

and start my build

#

how much is a jad task again? 400k or 800k

#

i heard one of those

weary drift
#

should I do group or solo ven/vetion?

rancid badge
#

does butler give xp for gathering, or only while processing

hazy anvil
#

Has anyeone died at echo hespori? I can't find my gravestone

#

nothing @ deaths office either.

weary drift
#

there is a person

hazy anvil
#

TY

austere mirage
#

how do i make it so i dont have to right click mobs to attack

fluid fable
#

Or do i just need to get the drop again

#

Is it possible to recover the tecpactle?

regal spindle
#

I'm trying to figure out why thr crystal blessing exists. Is it good somewhere? It appears as though even full virtus outshines it

fluid fable
native crystal
#

so ive got a set of rune. what armour should i aim for next? playing light melee/thorns

#

already have wildy but no other areas unlocked

tame flax
#

hmm

cursive glacier
#

Oh whoops i thought you were the one who couldnt find grave mb

regal spindle
#

I'm trying to figure out why thr crystal blessing exists. Is it good somewhere? It appears as though even full virtus outshines it

fluid fable
lament belfry
#

151 meds done. 106/115 items obtained. 0 rangers. jamflex y u do me like this?

weary shadow
#

Would it not stack with Virt?

cursive glacier
#

Moons armour is great for how easy it is ro get

shy ruin
#

how tf do you survive echo cerberus?

austere mirage
cursive glacier
#

And also more hybrid friendly

tame flax
# tame flax

i just cant decide which slayer task to do somebody please decide for me

simple hazel
tame flax
#

Would the morytania anchor be a good crush weapon to kill blue moon a bunch with?

#

its really that or the kraken whip right now

#

or i can get a dragon battleaxe i guess

shy ruin
#

ok echo cerberus fucking SUCKS

weary shadow
#

What part are you dying on?

shy ruin
fluid fable
shy ruin
#

and its literally impossible to heal through

weary shadow
#

I was told to prayer flick, but I can't get the timing down at all

fluid fable
#

The set bonus is nice, and tbe weapons are, fineish

weary shadow
#

and you have to move before the fire wall goes under your feet

shy ruin
#

2026 and jagex is still doing on-animation attacks, i thought we were done with this bullshit years ago

austere mirage
shy ruin
#

yeah echo cerberus just fucking sucks, i understand how it works, it just fucking sucks

pure karma
#

i had no idea they made this soloable

shy ruin
#

im so sick and tired of on-animation attacks, there is ZERO reason these should ever be added in modern content.

#

adding on-animation attacks in modern day just because it was like that in old runescape content is like shitting your pants as an adult because you did it as a baby

tame flax
#

what

pure karma
#

jad

tame flax
#

you want attacks to not have animations or smth

shy ruin
scenic garden
#

he wants attacks to be a tad more predictable

shy ruin
pure karma
#

he wants to be able to prayer flick like new bosses do

#

imagine if levi worked like jad

#

lmao

scenic garden
#

esp when you've just spent 40+ mins getting to the instant-death mechanic

tame flax
#

i mean you can do jad blindfolded

scenic garden
#

maybe you can

tame flax
#

the sound cues are great for him

shy ruin
#

jad is not as egregious as echo cerberus

lone bloom
#

every time i do a nagua task i forget to hand in the sulphur essence for rc xp before teleing out

loud beacon
#

is culling spree bugged or something? 100% of all my tasks are vardovis + dragon + metal dragon for choice

tame flax
#

i gotta wait 22 hours until i can do moons
i need my armor and its locked in my bank

lone bloom
narrow kettle
#

echo amox would be easier if it just started at 2 tick attacks
I fucking hate this switch-up just as I get into a pace

scenic creek
#

go to barrows to get ahrims quickly

loud beacon
#

should i unspec like a boss?

#

at least for now

scenic creek
#

20/25 all other sets complete

#

no ahrims

cobalt skiff
#

i killed araxxor 55 times in leagues and i got 0 uniques, are the droprates even boosted?...

tame flax
#

welcome to the "not getting any autocast ancients shit" club man

#

its great here

#

im gonna get the god damn quadrant before i get the blue moon staff, tham scepter, or dragon wand

mighty zodiac
#

goddamn that's a lot of combat tasks

tawdry carbon
#

what are the regions required for the thorns to shine? just asgarnia for suffering or

lone bloom
#

whats the better reload? transmute, larc, or farming

tame flax
#

why are you going asgarnia for a suffering?

scenic garden
#

you're probly gonna suffer a bit if you think it's there

tawdry carbon
#

sorry kandarin lol

scenic garden
#

Kandarin, tirranwn, and morytania as far as Faux has said

tawdry carbon
#

im playing the bluetooth halberd but

#

since we have extra respecs i can try thorns for fun at some point

cobalt skiff
#

did u get an noxious halberd for bluetooth halberd?

tawdry carbon
#

nah im using dragon

weary shadow
shy ruin
#

genuinely fucking enraged by echo cerberus

cobalt skiff
pure karma
#

whats the prayer set from shades called

tame flax
#

i gotta go do shades soon my firemaking is lagging way behind

shy ruin
#

man i love getting instant killed by cerberus because i wasnt able to flawlessly track 10 different thinks in the exact right order, what a lovely boss fight

tame flax
#

sounds like asgarnia wasnt the pick for you

weary shadow
#

What build you running?

shy ruin
dense perch
#

Man why did I pick morytania

#

In other news I have 6 99s now woopo

mighty zodiac
weary shadow
#

Might just be worth not attacking and seeing if you can get the timing going while he dies to the thorns

dense perch
mighty zodiac
#

smithing ;-;

loud beacon
mighty zodiac
#

woodsman relic i'm guessing?

dense perch
#

Nah

lone bloom
#

hotfoot got me 99 smithing full afk

dense perch
#

Hotfoot

mighty zodiac
#

a

dense perch
#

Irons till victory son

shy ruin
dense perch
#

Dont go to fucking mory

shy ruin
#

i need to have my eyes on the enemies, on the fire behind me, and on my prayers

dense perch
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Dont be like me ladies and gentlemen

pure karma
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is there a strat for this?

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do i need certain remains?

weary shadow
shy ruin
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this is who i need to be to beat echo cerberus

scenic garden
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does thorns work at moons? I vaguely remember someone saying it doesn't

lone bloom
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a cacodemon from doom?

scenic garden
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ty

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I need to find a battlestaff to use...

shy ruin
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eclipse moon has an effect that makes all sources of damage deal less, so thorns are less effective against him specifically

lone bloom
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the effect is called flat armour

scenic garden
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seems like a few things have flat armour

lone bloom
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mostly the naguas and moobs

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moons*

shy ruin
scenic garden
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naguas at least have negative flat armour, so you can do more damage to them

lone bloom
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at least eclipse has close phase

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clone*

shy ruin
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how do you damage eclipse during clone phase?

pure karma
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if anyone needs sacred oil rn, w743

cloud basin
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when i want to do leviathan, i need to enter the row boat... but when i enter the row boat i see an elevated platform and theres nothing? Whats going on what am i missing?

lone bloom
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use ur slowest 2h wep (they become 1 tick) and click each clone once as it spawns

shy ruin
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oh you click it as soon as it spawns?

lone bloom
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u attack every clone without tick delay

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yea

shrewd ermine
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which weapon is better? iirc longsword has a slower atk speed but more dmg

shy ruin
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ok cool i thought they were invincible during clone phase

cloud basin
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throw it into the dps meter

pure karma
cloud basin
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if you have void its not the caes anymore btw

shrewd ermine
lone bloom
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good eclipse strategy is to enter the room just as the clonse phase starts

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that way u start high dmg right off the bat

shrewd ermine
cloud basin
shy ruin
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ok fuck echo cerberus im just not doing this fight

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genuinely horrendous content

shrewd ermine
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what's the hardest echo boss in your guy's opinion?

cloud basin
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its not kbd i can tell you that much...

shy ruin
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idk about hardest but i know what the worst one is

cursive glacier
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Its not amox either

cloud basin
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amox felt difficult at the start but easy after you do need to be on point tho

scenic creek
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whats the highest dps build rn

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for raids in a party

cloud basin
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likely air magic

tawdry carbon
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probs air magic

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speaking of raids -- anyone wanna send some tob?

scenic creek
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i was thinking air magic too

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with clue scroll prayer gear

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must be hitting max a lot

cloud basin
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i want to send leviathan but i cant gear there ๐Ÿ˜„, as his platform is empty and idk why ;c

torpid trench
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So Ive spent most of the league making a kings barrage build. Im like 80% of the way through it, and even though I only have 25 pact points, I cant think of much else to add to it. Should I consider resetting to a different build now that I have more points to kickstart it?

cloud basin
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im at 25 pts... thers so much power i can still add...

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so many mor echos, stronger prayer, extra range strength...

scenic creek
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thats what I did, started early with thorns and now ive respecced into just a 1 tick powered staff build

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will probably respec again to air once i get kandarin echo equipment

cloud basin
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you have the slayer relic?

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if so do boss tasks at 5 kc... mega xp

scenic creek
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i don't, unlimited food instead

cloud basin
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ah okay

torpid trench
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But Im not gonna see any more big dmg spikes with kings barrage i dont think?

scenic creek
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im 88 prayer rn so almost there

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slayer I mean*

tawdry carbon
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anyone wanna tob

cursive glacier
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With air and xbow max hitting its always active basically

shy ruin
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is there any ranged/magic armor so you would only have to weapon swap for that?

cursive glacier
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Not really no

tawdry carbon
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technically crystal lol

cursive glacier
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Not for the build i suggested

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Since that wants prayer bonus and elemental stuff

tawdry carbon
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yea air mage

cursive glacier
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Neither which crystal is great at

opal agate
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Help, How do i get the monkey greegree so i can make my zenyte gem? i cant find zooknock in the ape atoll dungeon

clever vine
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Can you mage vardovis in this with thorns mage

covert wolf
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can someone show me a hilt from callisto drop to make me feel better?

cursive glacier
opal agate
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ty

torpid trench
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what builds pair well with void besides kings barrage?