leagues-general

[plain pasture]

that isnt factoring all the increased range str, and other bonuses

[cursive edge]

so in normal game im seeing a max hit of 66 in max range

with zcb and onyx dragon bolts

so thats the starting point

[plain pasture]

so add 70%, then add 10% to that amount

[fickle pine]

What about early game? can you guys make a great build under 15?

[plain pasture]

you have 123 maxhit purely from 2 pacts.

then u have multiple others that boost is further

[cursive edge]

whats the extra 10% from?

[plain pasture]

offhand giving u additional 5 range str for example, thats 4-5 maxhits at that dps

the 1% boosts for range

[tacit oyster]

5ranged str = 1 max hit before multiplier

[plain pasture]

then u have the slayer relic, adding a further 16%

[cursive edge]

yeah also get +9 range str from being 1hp or 190hp

[plain pasture]

etc etc

it all adds up

but downside is, its a purely range rambo build

best dps there is gonna be, but ur limited to range

[cursive edge]

so +14 range str from tree, thats 80 range str, 30% stronger rigour, 78% incr dmg from tree, 50% chance to echo

[plain pasture]

someone mentioned yesterday about kbd crossbow having a water based attack

so if u paired mage water effects maybe that would also stack

but i havnt looked into that yet

[cursive edge]

lets say 14 range str takes you from 66 to 71 max hit, then 30% better rigour like 74 max hit

[lapis flax]

we dont know if the "ice barrage like effects" on kbd xbow just means a freeze or if its aoe or if it counts for water based spell with the ice barrage conversion pact

[cursive edge]

74 * 1.78 * 1.5 = 197 gaht dayum

[lapis flax]

for all we know it just means it freezes people in place

we will know tomorrow when they release all the details tho

[plain pasture]

you also have the thrown weps

which is similar to barrage

in terms of dps

[cursive edge]

197 damage every 7t = 28 dps tho

lower than my smoke barrage bonanza setup

[plain pasture]

maxhit, every hit

[cursive edge]

and mega suffers from overkill

i am factoring in the max hit already of course

[plain pasture]

no possibilities, your getting that dps 100% of the time

[cursive edge]

ah god dammit, im stupid again. i divided by 7s

not 4.2s

46.9 dps

[plain pasture]

one splash and ur mage dps takes a nosedive

[cursive edge]

giga

[plain pasture]

or b2b2b low hits likewise

[cursive edge]

i mean crossbow can miss too

max hit doesnt mean 100% accuracy

[plain pasture]

not with that accuracy it wont

well

[cursive edge]

i assume we cant take both capstones

[plain pasture]

very occasional vs high def

[cursive edge]

in each range tree

[plain pasture]

but mage has larger chance to miss overall

due to how mage works

[languid mauve]

No it doesnt lol

[cursive edge]

depends what youre fighting, but its a reasonable statement

mage does have confliction gauntlets

[languid mauve]

Mage has higher base accuracy over anything

[plain pasture]

whats the total mage boost in accuracy

[tacit oyster]

jagex in livestream allowed taking both for crossbow build without saying it doesnt work so probably allowed

[plain pasture]

a large percentage of npc have very high mage def/mage lvl

[cursive edge]

wtf

[languid mauve]

Stats mean nothing mage accuracy only matters in pvp or tumeken shadow

Ur not fighting sara with a trident

U would only use shadow on hogh mage def npc

[plain pasture]

shadow is technically lower dps than barrage

due to how pacts are working this time round

[languid mauve]

Shadow is not lower dps

[cursive edge]

nah honestly if crossbow is max hitting 197 every time with double accuracy rolls

nothing can touch that shit dps wise i reckon

[lapis flax]

shawdow is 2tick

[plain pasture]

most elemental spell/barrage builds have out dps'd shadow in peoples builds.

[sleek wraith]

i knew bank heist was coming back lolol

thats an ez pick for me

[languid mauve]

Y tho

[plain pasture]

t3 pick is evil eye

nothing else comes close

[sleek wraith]

because i bet t6 relic will be recall

[plain pasture]

well unless that

[languid mauve]

Na

[tacit oyster]

depends if they remove shadow %mage cap or not. normal shadow caps at 34% mage dmg. if league allows it to go to 50% then shadow will be better

[plain pasture]

possible

but even 34% is hard to get with 3 areas

not impossible, but hard depending on picks

[lapis flax]

you are sleeping on blindbag 7 range nox hally with ranged echos i think

[sleek wraith]

idk how i feel about flow state. seems kind of meh

[lapis flax]

i think most stuff will be very close dps wise

[sleek wraith]

or a trap to not use reloaded

[lapis flax]

just depends on how you wanna play

[plain pasture]

there is a melee build mentioned yesterday in relation to this

crystal halberd, full crystal, crystal blessings

[sleek wraith]

dont you need both elf and kandarin tho?

[languid mauve]

But where is the fun in 1 hitting everything

[lapis flax]

nox hally will be better than crystal

[languid mauve]

2 hitting zuk

2-4 hitting zuk**

[sleek wraith]

and if its the echo item like last league then it applies to all weapons

[lapis flax]

^

[sleek wraith]

so nox haly would prob be better?

[lapis flax]

also specs dont work on blind bag

cant proc it

so nally is just a lot better than crystal

[sleek wraith]

i plan to grab spec side of melee to spam d claws or dooger while i blindbag with nox

[plain pasture]

it depends how blessing works

[lapis flax]

crystal hally is better for the hally/spec tre hybrid rather than hally blindbag

[lapis flax]

they did say they changed it but last time it worked on all melee not just melee crystal

[sleek wraith]

is it better than d claws? with one hand 1kg or less pacts??

[lapis flax]

i assume theyve only buffed it

not nerfed

[plain pasture]

yeh we gotta wait nd see

[lapis flax]

possibly possibly not but that depends on regions

[sleek wraith]

true

[lapis flax]

im taking trin mory frem (likely tho fremm has room to be replaced) so i wont have access to dclaws personally

[sleek wraith]

right now i got zeah, asgarnia and mory. debating on dropping asgarnia for trin

cause of crystal echo

[languid mauve]

Im going kandering/asgarnia/mory

And full water mage build

[sleek wraith]

is it worth specing into pacts to have over 100% accuracy? wondering

[cursive edge]

What is the best mage dps setup people have come up with? I have 29.2 dps with smoke barrage (assuming 100% accuracy)

[sleek wraith]

as it stands my melee build has liek 160%

[tacit oyster]

zeah + varlamore is already 17% +8% from pacts, so +25% from 1 region. Hard to go much over 34% without echo items giving % mage dmg though

[cursive edge]

does tumeken beat that?

[toxic vortex]

unclear

[tough finch]

it's + accuracy bonus, so it's not like you have over 100% chance to hit

[plain pasture]

yeh thats always been the issue with 3 areas, is upgrades

[lapis flax]

100% is double accuracy

if you plan on having low accuracy weapons then you probably should get more

[sleek wraith]

yeh im lost on how it works then. when i read accuracy % i hear better chance to actually hit and not splash or 0

[languid mauve]

Dont forget about confliction gauntlets for mage

[plain pasture]

yeh 7% is huge

[cursive edge]

ok yeah looks like shadow can do 40 dps

[tough finch]

say your gear givesd you 50 mage accuracy, you get 150% bonus accuracy, you have 50 + 75 accuracy now

[sleek wraith]

i feel more accuracy the better for +10% chance to overheal based off distance

[tough finch]

or maybe I'm on crack or something but I believe that's what it means

[sleek wraith]

am i wrong in thinking that?

[languid mauve]

I feel like most people here dont know about them gloves

[plain pasture]

youd be suprised

[plain pasture]

can u run dps on thrown weps

thrown weps got a massive boost with pacts

and 2t echo chances sounds interesting considering they hit high and never miss

[lapis flax]

blowpipe should be pretty strong dps wise with dragon darts

[plain pasture]

dragon knives will potentially beat it

[lapis flax]

less accurate tho

tho

[plain pasture]

purely because of the melee str bonus application + off hand range str boost

[languid mauve]

Dragon knives are so damn strong

[lapis flax]

if you pick up the +60 pact might not be an issue

true

bp is 2h

so cant off hand

[languid mauve]

In pvp they are

[plain pasture]

like if u use str ammy, infernal, ultor ring, ferocious gloves. u have almost 40 range str alone

[cursive edge]

I don't see how that surpasses 40 dps

[plain pasture]

then pair with buckler for 10, with additional 5 from pact

[tacit oyster]

bp will have more str than off-hand + darts though

[lapis flax]

you dont see how attacking with up to 6 weaposn with 1 weapon and with all of them able to trigger echos potentially surpasses it?

im not saying it will

and ofc its rng

[plain pasture]

not with pacts

[cursive edge]

Nox hally in max gear with Kourend + Mory, max hits 65, add in 20% so 78 max hit, then add 21 min hit, so 99 equivalent max hit

That makes it 50 avg hit lets say, every 3s, so 16.66 dps from your own hits

blindbag has to somehow add 25 dps?

[plain pasture]

dragon knives will probably beat reg blowpipe

drygore is a diff matter

[lapis flax]

but even with 25% chance to trigger those weapons are strong

[tough finch]

melee build is obvious and unga bunga

[thin summit]

Theyve just dropped a new pact

Relic* Has anyone noticed or am i late?

[sleek wraith]

me have 2h weapon. me see big numbers. me happy

[tough finch]

they dropped 2 relics today

[lapis flax]

blindbag and echo hits

[plain pasture]

bank heist and flow state

flow state is extremely op

[cursive edge]

yeah i know, i havent calced blindbag yet, but i cant imagine any situation they add 25 dps

[sleek wraith]

does flow state seem op?

i feel like its meh at t7. ill probably be near 99 in those skills already

[plain pasture]

2 tick skilling means your base speed without anything else is 2-3x faster

not accounting for any skilling relics on top

[plain merlin]

tbh both tier 7 for what they are as a TIER 7 are meh

[plain pasture]

yeh it being t7 is bs

[cursive edge]

25% chance for a free hit, best case scenario that's gonna be like 25% more damage lol. Maybe 30% adding in the small echo proc chance and the 10% max hit boost to blindbags

[tacit oyster]

its blind bag + echo hits, hard to actually calculate accurately since we do not fully know mechanics

[plain pasture]

but the relic itself is extremely op

[sleek wraith]

i meannn....actually...if there are alot of 50m+ tasks this league

i may have to get that

[cursive edge]

Guys i know its blind bag + echo, but 25 dps is an insane amount to add from this small chance of a free hit mechanic

[sleek wraith]

just depends what tasks are there

[cursive edge]

its just not happening

[tight mortar]

3 tick claws that regen spec are underrated a little

[plain pasture]

with flow state u can essentially do xp tasks for certain skills and skip 99s in others for dragon cup

[lapis flax]

its not plus 25 cause blindbag hits can trigger more blind bag hits

[plain merlin]

want to see that cerb dagger in action ngl

[tight mortar]

Yeah we need stats

[cursive edge]

ok fine, 33%

[lapis flax]

which all trigger more echo hits

[cursive edge]

numbers are numbers

25% chance that can proc off itself becomes 33% effectively

[boreal plinth]

do you need freminick to get the dt2 rings?

[plain pasture]

no

just relevent area for that dt2 boss

[cursive edge]

so 33% chance for a whack that does 10% more damage, and this meme 5% ranged echo thing. Lts be generous and call this 50% more damage

[boreal plinth]

what about boots from cerb?

[plain pasture]

vestige drops as ring instead

[cursive edge]

16.6*1.5 = 25 dps

[plain pasture]

cerb boots is asgarnia

[cursive edge]

not 40+ you can do with range or mage

[tight mortar]

Unga bunga heavy ballista is also p cracked, shit hits 100 every 8 ticks always

[lapis flax]

20% not 5%

[plain pasture]

crossbow hits 200+ 😛

and kandarin is horrid range area

[boreal plinth]

do i need desert for infinity boots tho?

[plain pasture]

eternals drop as boots from cerb

[tight mortar]

Do rubies actually get that buff?

[tacit oyster]

20% chance for range echo, echo can never miss and echo has 20% chance to max hit

[languid mauve]

I think a lot of pacts were designed to support echo weapons. Look at the -1Kg node only dragon claws fit that but it doesnt work on special attacks why would that be? Something tells me echo items will play a vital roll in all our builds

[compact hound]

Someone wants to form a trio to kill Hueycóatl.

[toxic vortex]

I thought eternals dropped as is

[plain pasture]

onyx bolts do

[toxic vortex]

but you need dboots and rangers for the others

[tight mortar]

Ahhhh

[boreal plinth]

massive

[plain pasture]

yeh

asgarnia is mandatory pick for melee honestl;y

[languid mauve]

Yes

[lapis flax]

no

[plain pasture]

nah they drop as eternal boots

[languid mauve]

Mage training arena is desert

[lapis flax]

asgarnia gives the boots not the crystals

[tight mortar]

Yeah onyx bolts zcb seems cracked as hell

[languid mauve]

He said infinity boots

Thats a minigame

[plain pasture]

cerb eternal crystal drops as eternal boots*

[lapis flax]

yeah

but you dont need to fit eternal crystal to those boots

[plain pasture]

no the crystal drops as completed boots

[lapis flax]

you just get eternal with cerb

[tight mortar]

But i dont think it procs the onyx effect everytime?

[languid mauve]

Your talking about two different boots lol

[plain pasture]

he was asking previously about cerb boots in general so thats what he meant xd

[languid mauve]

Ohh just typo i guess

[plain pasture]

chat goes fast

l0l

[languid mauve]

Chat goes brr

[plain pasture]

im tryna find a mage/melee build someone has that puts me off range

cos rn crossbow taking lead, and i wanted to go melee originally l0l

[tight mortar]

Have mods talked at all about bolt proc chances and their interaction with relics? My assumption is your max hit is only raised when things proc

[languid mauve]

Mage reflect build

[plain pasture]

zcb has an overall 32% bolt proc chance according to calc

[sleek wraith]

see i saw that range seems op again compared to others but i made up my mind. im doing melee this league. i havent done melee for a league since twisted

[toxic vortex]

nothing that we've seen that would increase bolt proc chances

[plain pasture]

someone went through it yday

i dont get why, but it was there

[tight mortar]

What actually makes that chance increase? Am i being dumb?

[tacit oyster]

only thing that could increase bolt procs is zcb spec and spec regen

[tight mortar]

Like echo hits i guess, but those are weaker

[languid mauve]

Hope

[toxic vortex]

kandarin diary

[plain pasture]

i think they factored in spec + chance based etc

[tight mortar]

Yeah spec obviously

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/hope-gif-19238353

[plain pasture]

but they caled it out at 32% overall

[cursive edge]

ok so with blindbag you have a 33% chance and it does 10% more damage, and ranged echoes have 20% chance and do 20% more damage

So id say the combo works out to:

• 33*1.1 = 36.3% more from blindbag
• 20*1.2 = 24% more from echoes

So 69% more damage from the combination.

so your 16.6 nox hally dps (if you are maintaining 7 tile range which you cant do reliably vs many bosses) becomes 28 dps

[sinful swallow]

Its way stronger then that get 155regen and 5% chance to max hit per distance with double roll accuracy and you 50% chance max accuracy and a 50% chance to double 2 seperate echo procs that each can also echo proc

[cursive edge]

this also is assuming your blindbag wep max hits same as your nox hally, which it is on avg gonna be lower id say

[plain pasture]

yeh the melee hally route is heavily dependant on range distance which is why it puts me off massively

[plain pasture]

yeh i put 200+ as a base guideline

[cursive edge]

Yeah it seems uncompetitive on paper, and harder to play optimally

[plain pasture]

as lots of people dont look at other options

i know crossbow will hit much higher than 200, but to quantify it for people who havnt checked into it is difficult xd

[sinful swallow]

Well 200 is the hitsplat

I ment the chance of 10 more 200s

[plain pasture]

yeh lool

[cursive edge]

I dont think itll hit much higher than 200

[sinful swallow]

Heavy balista go grapeshot

[cursive edge]

I got to 197 with like optimal conditions

[plain pasture]

i got 198

so thats about right

[toxic vortex]

the other thing called out on the stream was that husky said he was able to get the cooldown on flask down to around 1 minute

[cursive edge]

i guess theres also bolt spec procs

[plain pasture]

but thats base hit, not any additional echoes etc

[sinful swallow]

Yea but its about the 50% chance to echo shot up to 5 times

[plain pasture]

echoes do full damage correct?

and guaranteed to hit

[sinful swallow]

And with 155 ammo reg you could get 2 seperet procs for 10 more hits

[tacit oyster]

heavy ballista is lower max hit than zcb without spec, with spec heavy ballista is actually better. Well i guess no bolt spec too would make heavy ballista slightly stronger. ZCB better dps since faster

[sinful swallow]

No gaurunteed unless you go bow

[plain pasture]

yeh its absolutely insane l0l

[cursive edge]

yeah sounds about right

40 dps would mean 4 ticks reduced every 1s, so in 1s, 3.4s of cooldown pass.

[sinful swallow]

And im assuming max hit echo since dahrok echo hit had passive

[toxic vortex]

might have to go flask as an offensive weapon

[cursive edge]

nah 197 in my calc was assuming echoes add 50% more dps

[proper wave]

you guys think soul harvest for rc/pray is better or larcenist for theiving/gp?

[wanton arrow]

I cant resist minion haha. Unless the other t8 is absolutely cracked

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-what-what-did-you-say-gif-13930968

[plain pasture]

echoes could add that x10

[tight mortar]

Yeah ballista and zcb seem cracked, held back by mobs with small hp and being 7t/8t

[plain pasture]

which is why i didnt factor them fully

[cursive edge]

yeah but we're talking average damage to calc dps

not lucky streaks

[lapis flax]

they dont do 20% more dmg its a 20% chance to max hit, also with the echo echos its more like 28.8% rather than 20%

not saying that makes it higher than 40

[toxic vortex]

https://tenor.com/o0lW.gif

[lapis flax]

as ive never said its higher

but it still really good

is all im saying

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/dang-joe-dirt-david-spade-gif-5236783

[cursive edge]

20% chance to max hit is equivalent to 20% more damage.

if you do 100 hits, max hit of 50 say

80 of them hit 25, 20 hit 50.

80x25 + 20x50 = 3000

vs normal 100 * 25 = 2500

3000/2500 = 1.2

[lapis flax]

sure, just specifying since what you said is not what the pact says

[tight mortar]

Problem with onyx bolts honestly is fucking getting them shits ass

[cursive edge]

yeah i was simplifying but the math is unchanged

[cursive edge]

dont you only need a single bolt?

with >100% chance to regen

[lapis flax]

also you can add 12% dmg on melee hits at 7 tile, dunno if you account for that with your initial nox hally max hit

[tacit oyster]

get one and duplicate it to 1k

[lapis flax]

but also that applying to all your blindbags too

[cursive edge]

yeah i did account for it. Added 20% dmg from 8% small nodes and 12% from that node

[languid mauve]

What its ez just make them

[lapis flax]

ah it was both right

[tight mortar]

How far along do we need to be to get over 100%

[cursive edge]

and factored into blindbag too since it was applied as a multiplier after the 20%

[lapis flax]

yeye

[plain pasture]

could you do a pact route for this? so i can check it out

[tight mortar]

I might just go atlatl cracked bullshit and have it online day 1

[cursive edge]

ok yeah so 150% regen means crossbow echos are not 50% chance, but 75% i guess?

[sinful swallow]

https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1fyRSAiIEgvTwAwAEPCwAEAM&name=Grapeshot

[cursive edge]

so the crossbow dps is even more nuts

[sinful swallow]

Sent

[cursive edge]

74 base max hit * 1.78 * 1.75 = 230 effective damage per shot, every 4.2s

thats 54.7 dps lmfao

[plain pasture]

legend thanks

[cursive edge]

ahhh ffs hold on

wiki dps calc max hit number assumes a bolt spec

procs

onyx drag bolts have 48 max hit, onyx drag bolts (e) have 63

ok so i think its more like 41 DPS assuming no bolt spec procs

similar to shadow

[toxic vortex]

the stream said everything was balanced to around 30-35 dps

I thought at least

[cursive edge]

hmm interesting

tbf my numbers are all ignoring accuracy

[tacit oyster]

most things are balanced around 30-35 dps. it is possible to min max higher though

[toxic vortex]

Okay

[tacit oyster]

like only going for crossbow and reaching 150% ammo recharge for 50% of 2nd echo

[toxic vortex]

I imagine we will get some official calculators before launch

I hope at least

[cursive edge]

you have 50% of first echo and 25% of 2nd echo right

i reckon the cerb dagger will be the highest melee dps setup

[tacit oyster]

yeah

[cursive edge]

max melee + d scim max hits 50. Lets assume the dagger has d scim str bonus

50 * 1.4 + 3 so 73 max hit effectively, 2t speed, thats 30 dps or so on its own

then add in the burn effect, the instant specs which youd be able to spam, and some thorns dps

and ele weakness stuff on top

oh plus the 20% incr to melee strength thing. Not sure what that means precisely, if its like add 99 * 0.2 as extra str bonus

[undone snow]

last year we could imbue rings/slay helm/etc at soulwars, is there gonna be a way to do same or will have to pick a region liek kandarin/desert to imbue?

[toxic vortex]

just kand

[weary drift]

Any idea if the elemental damage on the melee is affected by kand echo off hand??

[cursive edge]

yeah i reckon a cerb dagger + thorns build can pump out 40 dps (with perfect accuracy). But accuracy might be where it suffers

[toxic vortex]

we will find out tomorrow

[manic prairie]

There wasn’t a reveal today?

[toxic vortex]

Uh

There was a whole stream

Nearly 2 hours

[tight mortar]

This is like atlatl scaling off prayer and triggering hella echos while it charges up any melee spec weps

[tacit oyster]

#leagues-general message todays relic reveals

[toxic vortex]

@manic prairie the other t3 relic is bank heist, the other t7 relic is called flow state. Speeds up most all gathering/processing interactions to 2 ticks

Confirmed no bankers note

[copper gorge]

Only "1" reveal today?

[toxic vortex]

I mean we got two relics and a lot of great info from the stream

[cursive edge]

there a vod?

[copper gorge]

So yes 🙁

I am incredibly impatient

[wanton arrow]

Yes, at least on twitch

[cursive edge]

ah yeah i found it, they put it on yt

[copper gorge]

My current path:
EH, Hot, evil, transmute, larc, unknown t6 unless its shit, flow, flask unless last t8 is godlike

[molten gust]

The stream was also on youtube. So you can watch it there.

[cursive edge]

flow seems iffy if you have EH and transmute imo

[molten gust]

Yeah flow seems if you feel you got everything covered. So might as well make them all faster.

[cursive edge]

also woodsman devalues flow

[wanton arrow]

Really? I think woodsman leads nicely into flow

[cursive edge]

In terms of time saved, 4t fletching a full invy vs 2t fletching a full invy

is saving very little actual time skilling

[weary drift]

I think I’m doing alright with my idea.

EH,forester,eye,bell,harvest,culling(or the other one idk) reload into larc, minion

This is assuming the prif echo is good so prif solves my crafting and smithing

[cursive edge]

and woodsman = 0 time firemaking

[wanton arrow]

Ehh I wasnt looking at flow for fletching anyway lol

[cursive edge]

so no benefit there from flow

[wanton arrow]

Or firemaking

[cursive edge]

yeah but woodsman is fletching + fm

[wary egret]

Are we getting full echo weapon deets tomorrow?

[cursive edge]

so it devalues flow

[wary egret]

Just give us the dang info jamflex

[tacit oyster]

should get them unless they forget to update reveal to other places and we are left with only the scritic video about them

[cursive edge]

and to me endless harvest devalues flow, since my intention is those 3 skills are things i leave my char logged in doing when i get off

so speeding them up doesnt really matter

[plain pasture]

https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1fSDSQgYABvDxAwAELG0AEAM&name=Grapeshot

check that out, i modified it slightly

[cursive edge]

oh shit i totally forgot about echoes triggering themselves..

so 50% is really 66% i guess

[plain pasture]

also crossbow 15% chanbce for additional seperate echo

so u get 3 rolls per hit

50/25/15%

effectively

[cursive edge]

oh?

[plain pasture]

as regen is 155%

[cursive edge]

i thought the crossbow 15% was additive

[plain pasture]

so 100% + 55%

[cursive edge]

with the other 35%

[late void]

anyone know where i can find how many points will be needed for each relic tier?

[sinful swallow]

And since balista can hit from 9/10 tiles away thats a 50% chance to just max roll accuracy

[cursive edge]

ah yeah youre right

[plain pasture]

ill be going zcb honestly, dps is far higher

[cursive edge]

the 15% is not dependent on regen

[plain pasture]

and kandarin is a terrible range region

[latent magnet]

what about wildy

[sinful swallow]

I just like the idea of this cannon of a shot

[plain pasture]

oh yeh

[latent magnet]

the wildy cbow sounds fun

[sinful swallow]

Its like last leagues melee

[plain pasture]

im looking at kourend/asgarnia then 3rd is dependant on echo release

[sinful swallow]

Waiting for that 1 time everything lines up for a 1hp 6 hit dharok

[plain pasture]

either wildy, if kbd crossbow is broken, or frem if the battlehat dps outweighs void

[weary drift]

I’m in the same boat, probably will end up doing prif if the echo affects other styles

[latent magnet]

im doing kourend, mory, wildy

[plain pasture]

if battlehat is for example 20 melee, 20 range str then its clear chocie frem

[latent magnet]

melee range hybrid

[plain pasture]

sadly we missing the monarch/emp ring, so hat better make up for them both

[cursive edge]

wouldnt it be 35/17.5/15?

[plain pasture]

base yeh, but factor additional echoes off the echoes

as that pact gives u echoes from echoes

l0l

the only real question is... what is the maxhit of these ranged echoes

do they share the wepons maxhit, or are they capped low af like thralls

[inner zenith]

do we knnow the exact release time on the 15th?

[plain pasture]

iirc it was like 3pm uk time

[tacit oyster]

there is no clear info about echo hit mechanics. They said they will not benefit from weapon specific pacts like crossbow always max hitting

[cursive edge]

i think the 35% becomes 42.4% effectively when factoring in the extra chain procs

[plain pasture]

yeh i just wanna know the actual max hit of them

because if the echos can hit the same as the weapon they were fired from...then gg range is the only way

[cursive edge]

17.5% is 19.2% and 15% is 16.2%

[tacit oyster]

echoes also cannot proc bolt spec iirc

[plain pasture]

yeh i mean bolt procs not been factored yet

thats even more dps

[sinful swallow]

I have 3 reasons to belive its based on equip weapon so max hit if it hits

[cursive edge]

I think its all up 78% extra dmg from crossbow ranged echos with 150% regen

dont hold me to that tho lol

[plain pasture]

i mean technically, even if the echoes capped at say 20
its still beat literally any other build

in terms of raw dps

anything more is a huge bonus

[cursive edge]

im assuming its just a repeat of the attack that triggered them? i.e. as though you attacked again

but a fresh damage/accu roll

[tacit oyster]

most likely echoes rolling with your ranged or melee str stat and using your accuracy stat to roll for accuracy check

[sinful swallow]

Melee. Ranged echo specifying that it will benefit as if we have all 3 equiped. Last league melee included armor set bonus on echos no dmg cap.

[plain pasture]

like kopesh

was based on ur maxhit

if this is the case... you could effectively hit 200+ with ur hit, then echo 12 times in a row for 200 each time

[sinful swallow]

Hence the name grapeshot

[plain pasture]

l0l

[sinful swallow]

XD

[plain pasture]

my poor minion gonna be lost looting everything

[cursive edge]

How come you take the thrown weapon 80% str bonus thing?

it doesnt apply with a crossbow equipped

[plain pasture]

you thought about thrown weps too? the amount of echoes that will produce would be insanity

[plain pasture]

because thrown weps have good use on low hp npcs

[sinful swallow]

Usless relic to get 30% ammo save

Either that or climb through melee tree for it

[lone bloom]

flow state vs reloaded?

[plain pasture]

like u dont wanna be crossbowing 7t vs npc with 50 hp, when u can 2t thrown weps

[cursive edge]

yeah valid

[plain pasture]

and with these bonuses/pacts you can hit 50-65 with dragon knives

[cursive edge]

spicy

[plain pasture]

each hit having double chance at echo 😛

[cursive edge]

that in like max melee gear?

[sinful swallow]

Honestly thats what melee or msb is for

[plain pasture]

i wont be using any other style ngl

[copper gorge]

You do a hybrid. You take nox hally into kbd cross into nox hally blindbag

Bang bang bang bang bang

[plain pasture]

hell no

i always prefer optimal dps build

[sinful swallow]

Im running cox with friends so i need SOME tri setup

[plain pasture]

if i go melee/mage id make a diff acc

[sinful swallow]

But we all going each style so

[copper gorge]

Im going flow i think its better qol for what im trying to do with item processing

[plain pasture]

honestly, the amount of dps ur gonna do.
even accounting for olms damage reduction your probably doing more dps than they are if they aint range

[cursive edge]

so oathplate, fury, regen brace, avernics, ultor, antler guard, infernal cape, dragon knives. That the setup you had in mind ragger?

[sinful swallow]

Yea but tekton exists T-T

[cursive edge]

effective 78 ranged str

[plain pasture]

will be interesting for tekton for sure

[plain pasture]

not so much, id go with some accuracy lol

[tacit oyster]

flow better overall help to skills, reloaded if you need specific skill solved

[sinful swallow]

Unfortunatly tekton is immune not prayer nothing i can do

[slim mason]

Is anyone able to share with me a word doc containing the full list of pacts?

[plain pasture]

would the bow having guaranteed echo hits change that

like echoes never miss

[sinful swallow]

Im probably reloading for herb saving secondary is nice but really dont want to decanter by hand 4 doses

[plain pasture]

could tekton with the hespori bow

[sinful swallow]

No

Its not an accuracy or dmg thing

Ranged just dose nothing

[tacit oyster]

can get potion storage

[plain pasture]

i mean worst case for tekton, just dont to tekton l0l

[sinful swallow]

Unfortunatly challange mode is static

[plain pasture]

let the melee bois handle that while u make a drink

[sinful swallow]

Eo tekton is always a fight

Valid

XD

[plain pasture]

then u double their points from remainder of cm

l0l

[sinful swallow]

Feels wierd going range and not looking for tbow

[short sphinx]

what bis for melee region wise

[cursive edge]

eh I think dragon knives are maxing out at maybe 25 dps

and with fairly low accuracy

[sinful swallow]

You want tyr or mort atleast

[short sphinx]

yeah i was thinking tyr asgarnia and mory

[sinful swallow]

Halberd gose REAL hard 5 tick with 7 max range

So crystal or noxious main wepon

Then load the bag with scyth some godswords what ever else you want

[tacit oyster]

crystal halberd is also decent even without access to noxious since it is changed to 5tick instead of 7tick. still lower dps but at least usable

[short sphinx]

the only bad thing is the echo weapons dont help me

[sinful swallow]

The range gives you the 5% chance to max accuracy up to 35 and the healing and dmg from ranged

Blindbag

Put the echo weapon in your bag

XD

Then go melee zuk

[short sphinx]

lol but with mory try and asgarnia

its magic echo for mory

try is gloves

[sinful swallow]

I would do either mory or try not both

Noxious or crystal

[short sphinx]

i love the nox hali

[sinful swallow]

Honestly if gauntlet gives the same crystal srmor bonus as last leagues may want crystal

[short sphinx]

but it would take forever to get

[sinful swallow]

Having crystal armor work on melee is great

[short sphinx]

gaunlet supposedly does

[sinful swallow]

Its a blessing not a gauntlet

Takes ammo slot

If i remember right

[short sphinx]

i mean its from gauntlet

[sinful swallow]

Ye

[plain pasture]

i have a weird feeling blessing may work range and melee this time roun

round

if so, range go brr more

[tacit oyster]

crystal blessing has same effect as before so works on all melee weapons, some unknown extra effect too

[sinful swallow]

Unfortunatly i cant see that the case since its ammo slot

[plain pasture]

quiver 😛

[sinful swallow]

Maybe

[plain pasture]

varls starter

varla

so i think they wanna force varla content abit

[cursive edge]

my main account is a varlamore locked uim lmao so im stoked

my home turf

[plain pasture]

varla is the best starter area you could ask for

[slim mason]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Module:Demonic_Pacts/data

I'm on mobile rn so can't see properly. Is this the full pact list? If so, could someone copy and paste it into a word doc for me please and send me it? Would really appreciate it 🫡

[plain pasture]

has every shop, all skills, all resources, expanded combat

[cursive edge]

ragger, what regions you thinkin of doing for ranged? Desert + Asgarnia?

I guess asgarnia would be replaced with wildy if the kbd cbow is op

[oak trout]

Would work for charged bow (bowfa, potentially zeah echo bow, webweaver)

[sinful swallow]

I guess but are any of those better then bofa

[oak trout]

Yeah duh i forgot it already does that for bowfa lol

[sinful swallow]

XD

I actualy hope the kbd crossbow isnt azing

Not a fan to take wildy

We have all combat masteried osrs wiki dps calc needs to update faster

[short sphinx]

its hard for me cuz gauntlet is probably my favorite content but i want the Nox hali

[oak trout]

Someone poke holes in this for me... Kandarin > Tiranwn > Zeah (CoX is favorite raid and have friends taking it to raid together).... EH > FF > alacrity > clue relic > larcenist > culling spree > reload into soul harvest > minion or new relic

jk this one

[molten gust]

Atm my plan for it. Only a little dip into range atm with it but getting all I want for the blind bag nox setup.

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-101-11-13-150-151-152-153-154-155-156-157-161-162-163-164-2-20-23-26-27-28-3-4-43-5-6-7-73-74-8-80-82-83-85-86-88-9-99

[oak trout]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?_gl=1*h9gx73*_gcl_au*MTk0NjczODAxNy4xNzc1NjE1NjU1&n=1-10-100-101-11-112-113-114-122-133-166-44-45-46-47-53-54-55-56-57-58-59-60-61-67-68-69-7-72-74-8-82-83-86-87-92-93-94-96-99

[cursive edge]

hmm, if the GG or Thermy powered staves have a better max hit than sanguinesti, then a 1t powered staff build could be like 40dps too

sanguinesti already i think can reach 40 dps

it'd be around 55 max hit, -8 so 47

47/2 = 23.5

23.5/0.6 = 39.2 dps

[oak trout]

trident from zulrah or kraken will also slap

and the doom staff

[cursive edge]

doom staff is crap

worse than trident

[plain pasture]

desert isnt worth (unless drygore is obscenely op)

[cursive edge]

oh really? figured just for masori/venator

[oak trout]

it doesnt benefit as much from the tick increase as trident or sang either

[plain pasture]

venator is 2, masori is 8

but void is almost 3x that damage increase due to it being % over ranged str

[oak trout]

i figure the healing from water spells is better than sang so switch to that to overheal then back to trident

[cursive edge]

ah ok

[plain pasture]

for example 10 ranged str base vs 10% ranged damage overall on hits that are hitting so high is a huge difference

which is why void is so good with tbow vs masori

[cursive edge]

well 1.5 water runes per attack so 1.5 healing per tick

and sang healing on top

[plain pasture]

also, im going slayer relic. so my slay helm effect will work with void on top

[cursive edge]

prob not much need to throw out water spells

[plain pasture]

frem battlehat alone beats all desert ranged upgrades combined, x2

if its bosted from grid

[oak trout]

vs 60% damage heal, just hit 3-4 time overheal and go back to hitting. Sang is prob better, I just would rather do Zeah and tiranwn than mory

[cursive edge]

I'm hoping Sang isnt actually the best 4t powered staff

[oak trout]

+water wrath spells use like 10 water runes and air runes for prayer regen

[cursive edge]

Thermy or GG boss one should be better

[plain pasture]

another thing im benefitting from with relic choices is, i have no intention on maxing.
so my relics can reflect comnbat progression better over long term skilling

[oak trout]

hoping thermy staff makes the elemental weakness typeless

[cursive edge]

yeah im tempted to go frem for mage actually, for saturated heart and magus ring

[toxic vortex]

Elemental spells count as all subtypes in the same tier

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/calculating-puzzled-math-confused-confused-look-gif-14677181

[plain pasture]

if that battlehat is on par with monarch/emp ring combo, it will be arguably bis area

[toxic vortex]

So air surge is air/water/fire/earth

That's my crack pipe theory

[cursive edge]

its a powere staff no?

powered*

[toxic vortex]

No

[oak trout]

yeah thats basically what i mean

the mory one is powered

[toxic vortex]

The staff from GGs is powered

[oak trout]

the thermy one idk

[languid mauve]

Batteries are powered

[plain pasture]

i thought gg echo was melee

looks like a halberd of some sort

[cursive edge]

ah ok, just gg echo one is powered

[toxic vortex]

They haven't said anything specific but given that it pairs with the devils element, it's fair to assume it's a regular staff

[plain pasture]

im confused

ub on about thermy or gg

[toxic vortex]

I'm talking about thermy

[cursive edge]

both

[plain pasture]

gg echo looks like melee, some kind of halberd

[toxic vortex]

It's not

[cursive edge]

no its a staff

[plain pasture]

oo

[toxic vortex]

They said it's a staff

[plain pasture]

so mory mage also, interesting

i supposed mory also gets u harmonised

[cursive edge]

This League, be rewarded with a new 4-tick staff for slaying the Echo Boss Grotesque Guardians. Charged with earth and body runes, build power with every blow and shatter your enemies

Prob some mechanic where you turn enemies to stone

[toxic vortex]

Fits thematically

[cursive edge]

So I think for mage, powered staves are the best dps (sang or shadow), for range its crossbows, and for melee its echo cerb dagger + thorns

all 40+ dps setups

[coral silo]

Does Flow State guarantee action-success every 2 ticks? Or just make it possible every 2 ticks?

[mint cargo]

A shame, was hoping regular spells would be competitive

Cause it looks really fun to 2t fire surge with harm staff

[oak trout]

harm staff is prob viable but pretty sure elemental spells are 3 tick

[cursive edge]

no they'd be 2t

[oak trout]

is it just harm staff that casts elemental spells 4t normally?

[wary egret]

Mory staff teaser description has me so curious "builds power with every blow to shatter your enemies"

Execution staff incoming?

[toxic vortex]

I assume it means it's 2t cycle

[cursive edge]

ok wait fire surge might be solid too

[oak trout]

overheal with water then burn it for dmg with fire

[cursive edge]

24 base max hit, regen 15 fire runes adds 30 max hits effectively, consume 6% hp adds 24 max hits effectively

[dusty flame]

any good spreadsheet planners?

[cursive edge]

thats 78 max hit already... then 40% incr magic dmg from gear/tree

so 109 max hit, at 2t.. thats 45dps lol? before including the fire burn? am i making some incorrect assumptions or something

but ofc not sustainable cause you eat 6dmg every hit

[mint cargo]

No just hadn't done the math

Yeah the burn does start to get a bit uncomfortable at that point huh

[wary egret]

Mage doesn’t have a guaranteed max hit pact like crossbow though

[mint cargo]

Oh it's not max hit that gets added it's flat

[cursive edge]

well max 5 burn stacks, so thats 5 dmg per 2.4s, so adds 2dps

[cursive edge]

yeah im not assuming it does

109 max hit, so 54.5 avg hit, divided by 1.2s

gives 45 dps

[wary egret]

Ah fair

[cursive edge]

the 109 max hit is 'equivalent' max hit, as its really 24 max hit + 27 (guaranteed??) damage

and then *1.4

[mint cargo]

Right makes sense

[wary egret]

I hate drip feed reveals because all it takes is one reveal to complete turn a gameplan upside down

[cursive edge]

so you roll between 1 and 24, then add on a flat 27, then multiply the result by 1.4

So (12 + 27) * 1.4 = 54.6 avg hit, equivalent to 109 max hit

idk if thats any clearer lol

[oak trout]

could you sustatin if you made blood spells fire spells?

[cursive edge]

perhaps but dps would go to shit

[mint cargo]

Worse damage and slower cast

[cursive edge]

blood spells consume 0 fire runes

[oak trout]

ph yeah that makes sense

[cursive edge]

and 3t vs 2t of fire surge + harm

[mint cargo]

You can just sustain by casting 1 water surge every 10 casts or something

[oak trout]

i'm not doing grim or desert anyway

[cursive edge]

better bet i think is as some1 mentioned, water spell to 190hp then fire spell to 90hp

[oak trout]

but might remove some accuracy for fire/water combo

[bronze latch]

Is the 1 kg "Heavy Weapon" thing a typo? Most things are above 1 kg

[oak trout]

dragon hunter wand with water surge is going to go silly at CoX

[cursive edge]

also that 45 fire surge dps was assuming 0 fire weaknesses

my assumption that what jagex means by 'the damage of your next spell hit is increased by 1 per fire rune generated' is that it just adds that flat damage as guaranteed damage

but i suppose it could mean 'increase your max hit by this much'?

[oak trout]

i think its flat damage

so whatever you roll it will just add that much

[cursive edge]

hmm though

the 6% burn one

is worded differently

it says 'increase your damage dealt by double the amount burned for' which could mean, apply a 12% increase to your base damage

not add flat damage equal to 12% of your hp

[mint cargo]

That would be a very weird interpretation

[cursive edge]

yeah and would be super shit too

so cant be it

ok so yeah these really do just add the equivalent of 30 max hits and 24 max hits respectively

[mint cargo]

Plus the qol of the bounce is nice for slayer

And dps isn't counting burn

[cursive edge]

burn adds 2dps basically

kind of

in a slayer situation where youre letting it tick for longer

its more

[mint cargo]

At what point in the ramp up is it 2dps?

[cursive edge]

after 5 attacks

[mint cargo]

Ah kk

[cursive edge]

its doing 5 dmg every 2.4s

[mint cargo]

Right

[plain pasture]

does anyone know if butler will award you with processed xp when you login, as it works whilst offline

[cursive edge]

would assume so?

[plain pasture]

if so, thats huge

[cursive edge]

sorry that was a useless answer lol

i have no idea

[plain pasture]

rates on gathered items has been added to wiki now from butler, and its better than i thought

[bronze latch]

Does anyone have any idea if thorns will be useful in the HMT spider room?

[mint cargo]

Can't remember source but apparently it's all as a single xp drop when you resummon

[plain pasture]

yeh the xp is a huge bonus tbh, butler is the easy choice for that tier

[cursive edge]

nah im goin transmutation most likely

[mint cargo]

Idk all of the t4s are crazy

[plain pasture]

im not a fan, doesnt really fit into it

[cursive edge]

you can calc xp/day of the butler

its solid for like crafting

[plain pasture]

its not so much the xp, its the processing things

saves u a lot of time

[cursive edge]

but i think herblore/con its 1.1m xp/day

[mint cargo]

I'm taking clues and reloading transmutation

[plain pasture]

eww clues

[cursive edge]

i suppose it does give u 1.1m con xp AND a bunch of planks to go use after

[plain pasture]

without compass i wont even consider clues ngl

[mint cargo]

Clues is so many points so quickly

And you get the teleports so you basically have better compass anyway

[cursive edge]

but nah transmutation has endless use cases

[plain pasture]

teleports youll hit 0 stock very fast

[cursive edge]

its like an item spawner almost

[wary egret]

Does clues actually matter for people who aren’t going dragon cup?

[cursive edge]

go thieve a guam seed and bam you can spawn any seed you want into the game

[wary egret]

It’s pretty easy to hit T8 without clues

[plain pasture]

its just that, butler basically gives you downtime use

[wary egret]

At least in previous leagues

[plain pasture]

the amount of resources u get from butler while u sleep is actually nutty

[oak trout]

Tithe farm + FF don't need seeds 🙂

[cursive edge]

i wonder how exactly it works, like

[mint cargo]

It's my first league and I want more points so I can buy the old stuff 🙂

[cursive edge]

if you set it to pick flax and process it

[plain pasture]

it gives u 1.5k bowstrings per hour

[cursive edge]

after 100 mins has it picked 5000 flax and then converted 2500 into bowstrings

so you log in and see 2500 flax and 2500 bowstrings

in the invy

[plain pasture]

thats how kingdom thign worked

the relic

[proper vector]

might be a stupid question.... but does flow state work on cutting gems? cause it doesn't mention them?

[plain pasture]

it 2 ticks all skilling actions listed

so 1.2 seconds per item

[proper vector]

but gems aren't listed :/

[cursive edge]

i think the issue is the bell gives no gathering xp

if you want to train those skills youre gonna have to go train em and gather shit anyway

[plain pasture]

honestly, unless for some reason u want a max cape

gathering is kinda meh

[cursive edge]

well just points

[mint cargo]

You aren't gemcutting for that long anyway, nbd if it doesn't work

[plain pasture]

u dont need max for dragon, u can easily get with fast skills 50mers and combat

[cursive edge]

transmute solves prayer, GP

supplies

[plain pasture]

base 80s with all fast skills (afk etc) 50m u can easily get dragon

with the crazy pacts we have, majority of ur points will come from combat/loot equips

relic picking for the sake of skilling for max cape for dragon cup rn is like a pointless action xd

[cursive edge]

i go EH + woodsman + transmute

leave my guy afk at an oak tree before i sleep. Wake up and transmute em to magic logs, instant fletch

[plain pasture]

eh is cool, but its very limited to those skills

abundance is the one ngl

[mint cargo]

What's your plan for smithing without HF

[oak trout]

eh is golden god when afk, selling the runite ore is big $

[mint cargo]

Legitimately curious cause I'm thinking of going EH with either woodsman or FF

[plain pasture]

gold is non issue with thieving relic

[cursive edge]

well smithing i 30 min afk an iron rock, transmute appropriate ores

[plain pasture]

especialy if prif

[cursive edge]

and then idk, i guess manual smelt em unless i take fremmy

FF seems really bad

[plain pasture]

theres a lot of talk about what peopel gonna do for skills etc, but at least half the skills u wont need past 70/80

[oak trout]

EH is also an agility solve if you have kandarin for barb fishing

[oak trout]

some people have different goals. I max every league so solving all skills is important

[plain pasture]

yeh i mean if maxing is like ur goal then it is what it is

[oak trout]

its a goal

[plain pasture]

but logically maxing is kinda pointless comoared to combat based instead

far more points from combat and loot equips than skilling

[oak trout]

i'm still taking FF for potions and culling spree, don't really miss out on anything combat relate

[plain pasture]

yeh forager is probably the best t2

[cursive edge]

Endless Harvest > Woodsman > Evil Eye > Transmutation > Natures Accord > Culling Spree > Reloaded (Grimoire) > Flask of Fervour

This is my plan. EH for a lot of 30 min afks to get easy points and feed transmutation, woodsman to deal with fletch/fm/hunter, transmutation for crafting, prayer, GP, smithing, cooking, farming. Natures accord to solve herblore and the teles seem neat

[slate drift]

People maxing in the first few days and completing the league in week 1. Meanwhile, I’m lucky if I get to tier 5 on the relics before I grow bored.

[mint cargo]

What if max cape is your bis mage cape tho 😛

[cursive edge]

admittedly agility/rc are gonna be cooked

[tough finch]

Damn these tasks really seem to push the tree to taking a while to come online

[plain pasture]

then condolences haha

[cursive edge]

but if i wanted to max i wouldnt be reloading grimoire

[oak trout]

EH > FF > tele > clues > larcenist > culling spree > reload (soul harvest)

[cursive edge]

idk, transmutation + natures accord makes it redundant in my case

[plain pasture]

not at all

[languid mauve]

Uh

[plain pasture]

making potions will be a drag on you entire league

[oak trout]

Kandarin > Tiranwn > zeah so I have all prayers, don't need grim

[plain pasture]

a lot of people underestimate exactly how many potion you end up using

[languid mauve]

I think tier 6 is recall crystal and tier 8 is a special attack relic

[cursive edge]

if i go mage then i dont need ppots

[mint cargo]

@cursive edge you gonna rc as intended?

[cursive edge]

or boosting pots

[plain pasture]

mage would solve some pots issues

[cursive edge]

just imbued heart

really 0 pots needed for mage lol

[cursive edge]

xd, if i must

im not trying to max

[languid mauve]

U wont need any mage level boosts unless ur going powered staves

[cursive edge]

just max out a pvm setup

[oak trout]

I'll most likely respec to a hybrid build after i get bored of pet grinding so having pots will be nice

[plain pasture]

i remember last 2 leagues once u start raiding, u end up rinsing pots

(unless mage) in this case

[cursive edge]

strong chance i would go powred staves but yeah

[plain pasture]

ill be going abundance t1, as the benefits of it are insane if u dont plan on maxing.

[languid mauve]

Even if i respec into something stronger im still going full water mage build

[cursive edge]

but transmute also solves gp so abundance isnt needed

[languid mauve]

I think abun weak

Then again im dead set on rh

Eh*

[cursive edge]

abun is just the accelerator

but falls off hard

[oak trout]

EH solves GP too

[cursive edge]

hmm i suppose

[mint cargo]

Abundance is for the gigasweats, gl to them

[cursive edge]

but like if you leave it afk at rune rocks its gonna be pretty slow

[oak trout]

runite ore whenever you are afk

[cursive edge]

success rate is still very shit

[languid mauve]

Im having problems with mid tier relics

[cursive edge]

rather mine way more iron, get way more xp, and transmute it up

[tough finch]

they have to go to sleep sometime

[plain pasture]

abundance > base 60/70s and never skill again other than butler

[oak trout]

I play a lot but I still afk like 5-6 hours a day (i will wake up to keep the afk going lol)

[mint cargo]

I know some poe players who would disagree

[plain pasture]

youll have to click every 30 mins

[cursive edge]

yeah EH such a no brainer if you have any RL stuff to do

[languid mauve]

Oh yeah i got nearly 40M mining xp on main game all from iron

[oak trout]

but you have to wait for it to transmute, and you still have to mine it

[languid mauve]

Fastest way up for xp without tick manip

[tough finch]

I was definitely underestimating how hard it would be to start stacking up points, I'm looking at the task list and trying to plan along with tasks and it's rough looking

[cursive edge]

transmute 12k items an hour

from iron to rune is 4 tiers

so 3k iron into rune per hour

[oak trout]

I guess but like, how much money do you really need

[cursive edge]

and sell 1920 ea to a shop, so 5.7m an hr

[languid mauve]

U can then sell them to shops and what not

[mint cargo]

This is why I'm just going clues on 4, I don't want to hit a wall in progress and feel stuck

[cursive edge]

or i smelt it

[languid mauve]

True

[plain pasture]

as a comparison, thieving elves with larcenist is in excess of 110m per hour, unlimited gold ore, crystal shards (craft/smith) 😛

[oak trout]

is elves that good of gp?

[cursive edge]

eh dont see myself goin tiranwnn tho

what maeks it 110m gp/h tho?

[oak trout]

I still cant be asked to mine non afk tbh lol

[plain pasture]

youll effectively be thieving 60k elves per hour with rogues, 30k without

as its 10x

and ur ore problem? solves with ore stalls thieving

[oak trout]

i was just going to do it for smith/craft xp materials XD

[plain pasture]

now we had stalls added and x10 to thieving relic, thieving is the only choice for that tier

[languid mauve]

If you have rogues outfit u wont see half that without rogues

[oak trout]

free moneyyyyy for constrution

[languid mauve]

Wait they did have 10x this lesgue

[oak trout]

i dont need 1/3 that lol

[plain pasture]

yes all loot is 10x

from stalls/pickpocket

[languid mauve]

Yeah i forgot

[plain pasture]

i calced it, elves is 110m gp per hour raw gp

[languid mauve]

Yup

[plain pasture]

and 99 craft/smith in 1 hour

[languid mauve]

Ill be thieving bat ladies from darkvalr or whatever its called

[mint cargo]

Honestly the larcenists are kinda winning me over, if I just ignore rc and transmute prayer, then soul harvest can go

[plain pasture]

its the stalls that makes it good

[languid mauve]

What do we need rc for anyways

[plain pasture]

we have gem stalls, ore stalls, fish stalls

makes endless look like the short bus pick

[languid mauve]

And they are noted too ragger

Which is so good

[plain pasture]

yh xd

[toxic vortex]

What's your math for 110m raw gp per hour

[mint cargo]

I was just going in assuming I wanted to have every skill accounted for

[languid mauve]

Means u can perma afk any stall

[plain pasture]

check it

[toxic vortex]

Can't check if you don't show it

[languid mauve]

I have no need to make runes as i just need to find a couple of each and my pacts will generate them

[plain pasture]

you can check same way i did money making calc

[analog moat]

how important is accuracy in the tree think its worth taking some

[cursive edge]

endless is the free 50m in 3 skills pick

[languid mauve]

I think without trying to you should be able to hit 80%+

personally im hitting 100

[mint cargo]

Imo accuracy is worth going out of your way for early on, then in lategame trees you grab what's convenient

[plain pasture]

butler gives u 50m in 5 skills 😛

[languid mauve]

Im rushing spell speed boost asap

[cursive edge]

not until 2 months into the league tho

[languid mauve]

7 pact points

[cursive edge]

you get like 1m xp/day in most of the skills

from butler

at 16x mult

[plain pasture]

u just gotta login on final day for the xp drop

[languid mauve]

Can you imaginr

[toxic vortex]

What are we assuming is the successful pickpockets in an hour

[twin spindle]

does the weight for temotli and the other boppers get weighed separately for the purposes of the demonic pacts? i.e. they weight 1.8kg but because theres two is that under 1kg each?

[plain pasture]

what it will be

[toxic vortex]

No

[cursive edge]

tbh im not fussed over dragon. I want to hit t8 and 40 pact points asap, farm my bis gear

[toxic vortex]

Bro just answer the question

[plain pasture]

i dont liek u. so do the math urself

[plain pasture]

yh thats me, rushing combat ASAP

[mint cargo]

Weird vibes dude

[languid mauve]

Then u want to make 2 more accounts and do it again

[cursive edge]

butler feels like the long game

slow and steady

transmute is gogo now now now points zoom

[toxic vortex]

I'm taking butler I think

[cursive edge]

🙂

[toxic vortex]

But I like the idea of transmute

[cursive edge]

transmute i think is very cool how much it changes the game

[plain pasture]

i was originally going endless, then it hit me that i dont need past lvl 70/80 in those skills.
and id much rather be able to complete tasks 10 lvls higher with abundance for faster relics

[cursive edge]

drops just become a whole different concept

[mint cargo]

Theres just so many options with transmute

[plain pasture]

transmute paired with flow state would go ham for sure.

[inner zenith]

is 3jad challenge open pre infernal in leagues?

[toxic vortex]

It was last time

[languid mauve]

Im picking endless for free points and resources to afk while at work

[plain pasture]

yeh that was my plan, but dont need to afk it when i have butler

[mint cargo]

Yeah I'm going EH, just torn on hotfoot vs woodsman

[plain pasture]

you mean forager?:p

[cursive edge]

hotfoot is crappy with transmute

[bright karma]

story of my life

[inner zenith]

any decent early valamore q's worth doing?

[plain pasture]

woodsman is wasted pick if u go flow

[languid mauve]

Im not sure i want to go butler anymore and idk why

[plain pasture]

flow + fletching knife makes fletch 1 tick

[mint cargo]

I'm grabbing transmute at 7, feel like by then I won't be upset about needing to turn off auto smelt/fish

It just saves so much time early on

[plain pasture]

i think transmute will be a novelty rather than best use for that tier honestly

[toxic vortex]

Whichever ones you need for moons and amox

[plain pasture]

its like a golden god or fire sale pick in a way

[cursive edge]

I think transmute will be regarded as one of the standout op relics of the league lol

ok i shall admit i was both a golden god and a fire sale enjoyer

[plain pasture]

opaf for its use, but its use dies out

(unless ur maxing)

[cursive edge]

butlers bell dies out too no?

[plain pasture]

yes and no

[cursive edge]

transmute dies out once its gotten like 7 skills to 99

and solved ur gp

[plain pasture]

the constant supplies while ur sleeping in 5 skills is more use honestly

~(processed supplies) that is

[fallow mulch]

What are people's opinion on flow state?

[toxic vortex]

It's cool

It's not for me

[fallow mulch]

Seems kinda meh for a t7

[plain pasture]

for me its the transmute only doing raw supplies.
i dont want to be then having to process stuff without a production master

and bank note

[languid mauve]

Im not sure flow state seems cool but i feel like all the things i need it for will be already done by the time i hit tier 7

[fallow mulch]

That's what I'm saying

[analog moat]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-101-11-112-113-114-122-123-133-135-139-140-141-145-44-46-53-55-56-57-58-59-60-61-68-7-71-8-81-84-87-92-93-94-95-96-97-99 think this what im going for more of tank build

[plain pasture]

depends if ur gonna skill heavy or focus combat

[mint cargo]

Transmute saves you an insane amount of time if you plan to level any of crafting, prayer, fletching, farming, herblore, smithing, cooking, plus it gives you wrath runes and anglers without needing to hope you drop them

[plain pasture]

for me, im only gonan do bare minimum skilling i have too

[cursive edge]

oh yeah transmutation does also give wrath runes

without needing kourend or frem

so thats 1 interesting use case

[plain pasture]

thats good for mage ofc

[languid mauve]

Im honestly still stuck on tier 2 and other mid tiers

[plain pasture]

t2 is forager tbh

[languid mauve]

I cant quite tell what i need or want and it bothers me

Yeah but i dont need herbs

Or herblore

[plain pasture]

unless ur mage the amount of pots u go through is ridiculous

[cursive edge]

but

[plain pasture]

and making pots the slow way is torture

[cursive edge]

butler is giving u 600 herbs an hour?

why would you need FF

[languid mauve]

Ill have so much healing i wont need protection orayers

[plain pasture]

its more for the instant make, and reduced secondaries than the herbs

[languid mauve]

I dont need hunter

Do i need hunter

[plain pasture]

hunter is pointless

no use past 73 if ur wildy for equip tasks

[languid mauve]

So is chopping logs and firemaking

[plain pasture]

yeh

[languid mauve]

So hotfoot it is

[plain pasture]

fletching semi useful if ur range

[mint cargo]

Hunter with woodsman can be a good points rush early

Plus the supplies from rumours are nice

[plain pasture]

again though, do u really need agility

[oak trout]

i smoehow have all of these solved between regions and other choices so it was really only golden god which between runite from EH and thieving elves... not needed

[plain pasture]

hotfoot is basically just the auto smith in terms of rpactical use

practical

[languid mauve]

No but auto cooking and smelting is nice

[plain pasture]

cooking meh 50/50 on that one, can buy karams from shop in karamja

[languid mauve]

I am going evil eye or alacrity depending on which has more in my chosen regions

[plain pasture]

or raw fish form pisc

and so on

[languid mauve]

Tier 4 is next big struggle

[plain pasture]

im looking more so at processed items obtaining, over raw supplies gathering

as raw supplies come in huge amounts from pvm

[mint cargo]

Like I think hotfoot vs woodsman is do I want to spend extra time processing resources or a extra time getting early points

[analog moat]

if your going magic id say take trans over butler

[plain pasture]

t2 depends on your t1 honestly

endless > hotfoot

abundance > forager

barb > wtf is picking barb LUL

[mint cargo]

Ppl who want to punch trees

[plain pasture]

vegans unite

[languid mauve]

Ill circle back around to tier 4

Tier 5 is larcenist

[plain pasture]

t3 is evil eye unless we have a sneaky recall added

[languid mauve]

Dont need rc and prayer xp is easy

Im going culling spree for tier 6

[plain pasture]

t5 is larcenist all day everyday

[mint cargo]

Again, I like clues on 4 cause it'll be turbo points and then you can reload the t4 you would have taken

[plain pasture]

t6 culling also all day

[languid mauve]

And assuming tier 7 is as hard to unlock as previous leagues ill likely go reloaded

And tier 8 is minion

[plain pasture]

t4 you can argue any of 3 realistically.
completely depends on ur goals/build

[languid mauve]

So tier is my real struggle