leagues-general

[copper gorge]

Im picking larc 🙂

[blissful fiber]

tbf, we would have to see how much points are clues worth

to see if its worth giving up on conniving clues

[coral silo]

with Endless Harvest, if i start fishing from the double fishing spot in Tempoross, will i keep fishing doubles when it goes away?

[blissful fiber]

for transmute + flow state

[copper gorge]

Not doing clues

Cba

[shadow badger]

Doubt it

[blissful fiber]

i dont like clues either but

i heard they are worth a huge chunk

of points

bankers note not coming back

[copper gorge]

They nerfed it this go around

[blissful fiber]

confirmed

[shadow badger]

No banker's note

[warped turtle]

F bankers note

[blissful fiber]

F

[toxic vortex]

soul harvest stonks going up

oh good they are making a turtle relic

[blissful fiber]

oh yeah

[ornate frost]

Bankers note was a solve for too many things

[tacit oyster]

last t6 is defensive combat relic

[blissful fiber]

thats defo the turtle relic

[shadow badger]

T6 is defensive

[ornate frost]

Sad to see it go but good to see jt gone

[molten gust]

So t6 turtle unless its this one

[willow isle]

perfect last is def and i was thinking of going thorn tank overheal

[shadow badger]

PLease show T8

[wary egret]

Why?

[blissful fiber]

just what kind of defence could challenge grimoire (which im not taking) and culling spree (which i would take cause i really dislike slayer)

[toxic vortex]

flow state speeds it up

[copper gorge]

1.2 second processing. Way way faster

[wary egret]

So like 2 tick HA?

[toxic vortex]

yes

[copper gorge]

Yes literally

[shadow badger]

I think I'm sticking with culling spree since I'm going Kandarin

[blissful fiber]

no golden god doe, whats the point of 2t HA gonna be?

[shadow badger]

Money?

[cinder remnant]

I thought turtle was today

[copper gorge]

Curious why you think this

[toxic vortex]

no bankers note

[wary egret]

Meh realistically I’m playing for 4 weeks anyways. If it takes longer to transmute that’s fine

I’d rather reload soul shards than 2t transmute

[shadow badger]

Thorns reduce flask cooldown

[copper gorge]

Soul shards is a prayer and rc solve. I dont imagine many people actually doing rc.

[tough finch]

this stream is wild

[willow isle]

reeee just tell me if thorns grants xp

[blissful fiber]

you got gotr if u go desert

[toxic vortex]

people wanting dragon will be doing rc

[copper gorge]

Prayer is useful and fast af with soul shards

[tacit oyster]

currently only rc solves are transmute + map or just taking soul harvest

[copper gorge]

Depends in region.

[shadow badger]

Just pick a region with RC solve ez

[copper gorge]

But i would just not do rc 🤣

[blissful fiber]

RUH ROH

LEAK

"Guard"

[toxic vortex]

I think he was just saying guardian

pretty sure thats the name it was before

[copper gorge]

Yeah last leagues was guardian

[blissful fiber]

ah

true

[twin folio]

When is the reveal?

[copper gorge]

So we got t3 and t7 relics today?

[toxic vortex]

theres been a stream going for an hour and a half now

yes

[copper gorge]

Did we get t8? Or no

[shadow badger]

All T8s works in gauntlet

[cinder remnant]

Yes where is turtle

[weary drift]

Does transmute note the items? If I devolve my air runes into PE can I just sit at an altar??

[toxic vortex]

essence is noted

[copper gorge]

If items are noted i think it stays noted.

[toxic vortex]

sorry

[weary drift]

FAHHHH

[long jungle]

air runes stack though and are not noted...

[weary drift]

The air runes won’t be noted tho

[blissful fiber]

ok yeah im seeing chat

what if the last T7 is ruinous power?

[shadow badger]

T7 is flow state

[blissful fiber]

or maybe T8

[toxic vortex]

theres isn't a last t7

[weary drift]

Last leagues it was meh

[blissful fiber]

oh

i mixed it up

i meant T8

[toxic vortex]

and I doubt RP is coming back

[shadow badger]

Doubt it

[cinder remnant]

Ya we have the other T7

I just don’t know where turtle is

[blissful fiber]

doe idk how valuable ruinous power are

[toxic vortex]

they specifically said "the last t8 will also work in gauntlet"

[blissful fiber]

never really seen them

[toxic vortex]

RP would work in gauntlet by default

[cinder remnant]

Flow state is T7

[shadow badger]

All the T8s work in gauntlet

[toxic vortex]

you wouldn't need to qualify that statement with gauntlet

[copper gorge]

I dont know how that would work doesnt say specifically

First one to get transmute can test it out and let the chat know

[toxic vortex]

downgrading runes to essence is always noted essence

it was confirmed

[blissful fiber]

"Adress me 🐢"

[shadow badger]

How would you note air runes?

[willow isle]

what is turtle i don't really play rs

[wary egret]

Did they reveal the last t3 or t6

[tough finch]

is the bank heist relic exactly the same as last time or any new effects?

[willow isle]

poe leagues is my jam

[toxic vortex]

yes on t3

no on t6

[wary egret]

What’s the verdict?

[toxic vortex]

exactly the same

[copper gorge]

T3 is bank heist

[shadow badger]

It's a reptilian creature with a shell on its back

[blissful fiber]

ever since stuff about league happened, there's been a Turtle spread around stuff

[toxic vortex]

banks, chests, deposit boxes

[ember wyvern]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-11-112-113-114-12-15-150-151-152-157-16-161-165-2-21-24-29-30-31-38-39-4-44-46-56-59-62-64-65-68-7-72-74-8-82-86-99
Here is an interesting tribrid build
Xbow guarenteed max hit then switch style for +25% damage
swap to water spell and get massive overheal
OR
swap to melee and blindbag proc. If you have overhealed increase that min hit + chance for echo xbow proc (which would be max hit)
Thoughts?

[copper gorge]

You wouldnt, but like pure ess doesnt stack like runes do

[willow isle]

ahhh you know a tree is good when it like a poe aurabots

[copper gorge]

Assuming thats the last leaked news for a bit.

[willow isle]

take more inspo from poe they allow you to have 3 atlas trees

[wary egret]

Wonder if the last t8 would be bankers note. Minion still better?

[ember wyvern]

ive never played. What is the reference

[blissful fiber]

bankers note confirmed to not come back

[wary egret]

What’s everyone’s strategy for the pact respecs? I’m torn between using them for progression vs using them for variety at the very end

[willow isle]

look up a poe passive tree youll see the inspo

[ember wyvern]

1 build early, respec mid, save 2 for shenanigans

[tacit oyster]

im doing 1 early build and then swapping at around 25 points to actual build

[willow isle]

its not overwhelming this is just the beginning off the tree madness

[toxic vortex]

This is a solid plan, especially because we have easy access to an echo boss right away

[wary egret]

Are we getting the other 2 relics today?

[toxic vortex]

probably not

[tacit oyster]

yeah varlamore has melee content mostly with colosseum and moons. So i want melee start and then do either melee or atlatl fight cave and so on

[toxic vortex]

yeah but you could do fight caves with any 2h melee with some of the early melee pacts

since you get double range

so get that full moons set and you can at least not deal with the melee damage

[wary egret]

Someone convince me to take BG over abundance lol. Early gp and synergy with transmute seems strong

[toxic vortex]

hotfoot gives gp

[warped turtle]

ima have to take this kings barrage build sounds brazy

[wanton arrow]

Do you have a link for it?

[warped turtle]

scritic is talking about it on the live

[tacit oyster]

double hitting crossbow with ice barrage freeze on 2nd hit

[toxic vortex]

I think I'm sold on the hally blind bag build

[rich rune]

No Kopesh got me very bummed

[toxic vortex]

Rip khopesh

[dusty dawn]

I have some very interesting builds in mind.. kind of wish we had more resets to mess around with them all lol

[rich rune]

Too strong for a temporary game mode with no real competition behind it, perfectly balanced for DMM, a tournament with thousand of dollars on the line.

OK Jagex.

sure.

[tacit oyster]

khopesh in leagues was broken because you could perma spec with it

[dusty dawn]

If you go any daggers with melee you basically will permanently spec anywaus

Or claws I think

[rich rune]

That's not the appeal tbh

It was that the spec was good single target damage and good AoE damage, really helping you do stuff like solo ToB

by giving you a nylo solve, that unlike spear, had applications on single target

[shadow badger]

Khospesh spam would've been even worse with pacts

[crude dawn]

I cant see anywhere that mele has an attack speed buff... unless im blind or its a passive are we hitting at normal ticks for mele?

[tacit oyster]

yes it was good in tob since you could perma spec nylos

[toxic vortex]

There is one

[rich rune]

You would definitely have to balance it or the relics around it a bit, but I believe it's over 1KG, so it makes it less of an issue.

[toxic vortex]

It's in the tree with the special attack stuff

[crude dawn]

Ahhhh wonderful

[rich rune]

No love for double X bow though tbh, doesn't have the juice to warrant a region selection

[toxic vortex]

But it's only for items less than 1kg, or one hand items

[rich rune]

The Wildy sadly needs to love, MA2 cape is the only piece of gear that ends up in your BIS setup

[toxic vortex]

So far the only 2h item that is under 1kg is apparently dclaws

But maybe it's possible the echo item from amox will be

[rich rune]

Jagex messed up on making heavy over 1kg

IMO

[dusty dawn]

The only reason to go wilderness is if you do the barrage xbow build

[rich rune]

Which is pretty 💤

[willow isle]

ayyyyy my boi ziz getting the big shoutout from osrs thats isnane

[dusty dawn]

Thats imo though

[rich rune]

Kopesh was worth going for, xbow not so much.

[willow isle]

LOGIN

[rich rune]

It's a very fun region though, so if you don't care about final gear, still worth a go.

[dusty dawn]

Should I post some builds in the theory pages?

[willow isle]

chris wilson out there with the biggest shit eating grin rn

[rich rune]

I would like to see if anyone comes up with a build that's going to beat Powered Staff mage, I feel like it's so cracked in terms of DPS

[dusty dawn]

I think i may have tbh

Or at least close

[rich rune]

Please, I don't wanna go mage, please save me

I would love to see it

[dusty dawn]

Let me run some calcs on it first

[rich rune]

How your currently running them btw

[tacit oyster]

might be strongest crossbow depending on attack speed after tomorrows release

[rich rune]

Not seeing any supported calcs out, are you doing it manually?

[dusty dawn]

Yeah basically

[inner herald]

Any reveals yet today?

[willow isle]

osrs players bouta get the passive tree jumpscare

[dusty dawn]

I can link you my thoughts if you want

[rich rune]

Does tha max hit part affect the barrage ?

[dusty dawn]

Yes

Bows ice barrage will benefit from the water part of mage

[tacit oyster]

was said both are considered crossbow hits, confusing since they also said 2nd hit benefits from water spell tree

[dusty dawn]

And will always max hit

[coral silo]

do salamanders count as ranged weapons when using them for ranged attacks? If so, do they count as bows?

[rich rune]

Yea and gives range xp, that's why I was curious. I also know that range echos aren't going to benifit from the max hit right?

[blissful fiber]

salamanders dont count for anything

[dusty dawn]

Salamander won't have a buff iirc

[willow isle]

holy shit they did a full osrs x poe advert thats so sick

[blissful fiber]

they are not affected by pacts

[rich rune]

I'm guessing more of a programming issue than a balance one

[dusty dawn]

@rich rune send me a pm and I'll show you a few setups

Not home rn to do so

[toxic vortex]

They did say on stream that they did try to balance the DPS on all the builds

Obviously some variance

[atomic plinth]

Are we not getting reveals for yesterday and today? The demonic pacts teasers page still just has ???? For both days

[tacit oyster]

yesterday's reveal was full blog, today was livestream with a lot of information

[copper gorge]

Yesterday they gave out the full pact tree and linked it with the tool as well as the 40 point req and what the tasks are to get the reqs per region

Today was kind of a recap but also t3 and t7 relics revealed

[fickle pine]

i am curious to see if the amoxi weapon will be over under 1kg

[brave oracle]

Tomorrow we're getting echo weapon info apparently

[crude dawn]

Wait so that tick reduction t7 was legit and not a meme?

[tacit oyster]

most skilling/processing actions will be 2tick, yes

[mint cargo]

link?

[crude dawn]

Thats a horror show of a t7 relic

[copper gorge]

Works great with transmute. But agreed

[crude dawn]

Seems they've worked it this leagues to keep people on the servers for longer by nerfing relics

[glass geyser]

Will thorns work well in toa? Will it work on p3

[willow isle]

the end of the stream they just hosted zizaran and he did a little crossover advert for poe players

they got me before i even knew they were sponsoring poe events

[copper gorge]

Could be good and bad.

[glossy prawn]

I searched throughout the discord and I see people saying transmutation turning air runes into pure essence forces them to be noted, even if you have the noted toggle off.

Is this true? How do you know it's true? (Jmod confirmation for example)

[crude dawn]

Here's hoping there a production hidden passive or relic that isnt on the tree

[old tapir]

as cool as all this pact stuff is, i think i probably prefered old masteries honestly

[copper gorge]

People will play for the easier combat, if combat isnt easier then people will jump ship

[old tapir]

i don't wanna think this hard

[copper gorge]

I said that too

[wary egret]

Is kbd xbow confirmed 2h?

[crude dawn]

Just let me hit fast and hard without having a witcher 3 styled combat tree 😂

[willow isle]

about to harvest to poe community its so good

[rich rune]

I believe they put a ton of effort in to it, I feel with the complexity of the relic system and so many people taking a stab at it, certain things will bubble to the top.

[verbal gyro]

yes

[rich rune]

It's not a Jagex fault thing, it's just the nature of things.

[willow isle]

it's only rough on the first run don't over think it

[fickle pine]

If kbw is ice hit, i wonder if cerberus will be a blood-specific melee weapon then

[toxic vortex]

I do feel like fervour might be good with blindbag

[short sphinx]

did they say anything about it during the live that made you decide that?

[toxic vortex]

Towards the end of the stream faux talked about the build he is probably going with, and why he was doing it

You'd be best to just go to that part and listen.

[rich rune]

-3 Tick Powered Staves -8 Max (on one handed) just seems pretty stupidly overtuned for the points required to reach it. 2T shadow and 1 tick sang/mory staff seem like they will throw out too much dps for like a 7-9 point investment that allows you to also take 35% All style accuracy on the path over to it

[wary egret]

I’m getting hyped about the potential of a cerb dagger build

[toxic vortex]

There's a lot of info

[tacit oyster]

how so? comparing to raging echoes (leagues 5) 60% of released are buffed, 30% are similar and 10% can be considered nerfed or completely remade to less op with more functions

[short sphinx]

thanks i appreciate it

[rich rune]

It's just cracked pathing and cheap for the power

[fickle pine]

me too, or the amoxi two weapon low weight build. I hope it is under 1 kg

[wary egret]

A potential tribrid end game build I came up with

Zcb
Cerb dagger
Powered staff

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-11-133-139-140-141-142-143-144-145-146-15-163-17-18-2-21-24-29-30-31-38-39-4-44-48-56-57-60-69-7-71-72-74-79-84-85-92-95

[glossy prawn]

@toxic vortex I've seen you confirm on multiple occasion that air runes get forcefully turned into noted essence with transmutation. That they cannot be unnoted. How do you know this?

[rich rune]

Bag-o Scythe seems like one of the most fun builds to do, I wonder how powerful blind bag turns out to be. It may be impractical to set up the best Blindbag setups. Love that item IDs are the way to determine unique though, so fun.

[glossy prawn]

This would contradict the noted vs. unnoted toggle on the relic options

[toxic vortex]

Because jmods in the leagues discord said it would work that way

[crude dawn]

Mainly the skill based relics are sub tier removing production prod or something similar now makes skilling longer (unless you trade off relics for only certain skills) I personally don't want to have to play leagues in any way similar to how the main game plays

[glossy prawn]

oh there's a separate leagues discord

[toxic vortex]

Yes

[glossy prawn]

ill check it out i guess

thanks

[tacit oyster]

there is no unnote option. only option to bank transmuted

[verbal gyro]

Will Ruby bolts (e) always proc max hit with the pact?

[sinful swallow]

whats the leagues discord

[toxic vortex]

@verbal gyro Transmutation

• Gems cap at Dragonstone, no sneaking an Onyx or Zenyte (see below)
• Bars are not included, this is intentional.
• You still have access to low alchemy and high alchemy, these do not auto cast though
• There's some cool stuff here like air runes turning into noted pure essence
• Also note the bank toggle, you can send what you make to the bank instead if you'd like
• The items proceed as following:
  • Logs (Normal): Logs -> Oak Logs -> Willow Logs -> Teak Logs -> Maple Logs -> Mahogany Logs -> Yew Logs -> Magic Logs -> Redwood Logs
  • Logs (Pyre): Pyre Logs -> Oak Pyre Logs -> Willow Pyre Logs -> Maple Pyre Logs -> Yew Pyre Logs -> Magic Pyre Logs -> Redwood Pyre Logs
  • Raw Fish: Shrimp -> Sardine -> Herring -> Anchovies -> Mackerel -> Trout -> Cod -> Pike -> Salmon -> Tuna -> Lobster -> Bass -> Swordfish -> Karambwan -> Shark -> Anglerfish -> Dark Crab
  • Bones (Zogre): Zogre -> Fayg -> Ourg -> Raurg
  • Bones: Bones -> Bat -> Big -> Baby Wyrm -> Baby Dragon -> Wyrm -> Dragon -> Drake -> Lava Dragon -> Hydra -> Dagannoth -> Superior Dragon
  • Rocks (Crafting): Clay -> Silver Ore -> Gold Ore
  • Rocks (Regular): Copper Ore -> Tin Ore -> Iron Ore -> Coal -> Mithril Ore -> Adamantite Ore -> Runite Ore
  • Seeds (Allotment): Potato -> Onion -> Cabbage -> Tomato -> Sweetcorn -> Strawberry -> Watermelon -> Snape Grass
  • Seeds (Flower): Marigold -> Rosemary -> Nasturtium -> Woad -> Limpwurt -> White Lily
  • Seeds (Herbs): Guam -> Marrentill -> Tarromin -> Harralander -> Ranarr -> Toadflax -> Irit -> Avantoe -> Kwarum -> Snapdragon -> Huasca -> Cadantine -> Lantadyme -> Dwarf Weed -> Torstol

[toxic vortex]

It's in the pins in this channel

[short sphinx]

holy shit that sounds amazingggggg

[rich rune]

I like the relic designs this time around. I sorta enjoy that you don't need to focus on gathering OR production, instead you specialize in different aspects of production and gathering.

[rich rune]

If it weren't t7, I'd agree.

[tacit oyster]

you can never log in and have butler do those for you instead

[rich rune]

Butler seems like meme tbh, but there are some who want a nearly fully passive playstyle.

[short sphinx]

the fact that you can make blindbag work with 5 scythes

[unique smelt]

Do we have confirmation that the Dharok axe won’t regen its durability?

[tacit oyster]

ruby bolts have hard cap on damage so no it wont. 100 max hit normally 110 with zeryte crossbow

[rich rune]

It's sick, but it does require you obtain 6 Scy, and multiple kits. Not that ToB is hard in league, but you will be doing a shit ton of ToB to get that online, and you may be burnt out by the time you do.

[rich rune]

I haven't seen, but durability != charge

[tacit oyster]

it isnt that strong since half your scythes are uncharged and cannot active multiple blindbags from multihit

[toxic vortex]

Yeah it's not the same as charges. And since you aren't actively using it

Their degrade state should remain fairly constant

[shadow badger]

I think dharok's axes don't degrade in inv

[toxic vortex]

That is the assumption

[shadow badger]

Also which is better: Farmer's Accord or Larcenist

[unique smelt]

Scythes are a meme, yes, but even if you go get your KC at all the mory bosses, you’ll have a nally, a d axe and a scythe, that’s three already, plus the dt2 axe from varlamore.

[rich rune]

Entirely dependant on your other relics, region, and style (Herblore matters a whole lot more to melee than any other style, range mid, mage might not even care about herblore)

[smoky raft]

item charge regen only applies to weapons, right? Nothing like jewellery or echo boots?

[tacit oyster]

larcenist if you need money solve and also clue solve. natures accord if you need herblore/potion solve

[rich rune]

Barrows is a trap and a half, you prob won't have an axe

[toxic vortex]

Sra is a bitch to get. But there are other options

I'm thinking barrelchest anchor

[rich rune]

I did it last leagues, I killed over 1k vard to do it.

[mint cargo]

obby maul should be pretty easy to fill out a slot early

[toxic vortex]

Yeah, it's a bitch to get

[unique smelt]

?????
Someone calced it out, daxe with evil eye is only 1hr 20 drop on rate.

[shadow badger]

Alright then I'm picking Farmer and Flow state

[unique smelt]

But yeah, SRA is still a meme drop rate, even in leagues.

[copper gorge]

If youre going mory you get free super combats and brews.

From tob

[mint cargo]

like yeah 5 daxe or 5 scythe is cool but what are we doing mid game

[unique smelt]

Mid game you’ll do the 21point tribrid build, easy.

[rich rune]

My experience at barrows has never been so lucky. If the math says it works out that way, I cannot argue with the math. In my experience barrows has been a trap.

[tacit oyster]

sounds too long... is that doing only dharok with teleport to entrance and to chest?

[unique smelt]

Then respec from there.

Yep!

[toxic vortex]

With evil eye, being to teleport directly to the chest

[copper gorge]

I did over 100 barrows kc last year and didnt complete a full set.

[toxic vortex]

Kills are like 20 seconds for single target

[rich rune]

We had the same w/ clue compass

[fallow coral]

flow state seems kinda trash

[rich rune]

Cracked at low tier, meh at t7

[shadow badger]

I'm going KTZ

[unique smelt]

What’s flow state? New reveal?

[rich rune]

https://klipy.com/gifs/the-office-224

[toxic vortex]

Yes

[cloud panther]

It just me or is bank heist kinda a given?

[toxic vortex]

Just you

[shadow badger]

I guess it'll depend on how long it takes to reach T7

[rich rune]

literally just you

Huey= bank

[long jungle]

I haven't seen anything updated on the 8th or 9th for the post :\

[toxic vortex]

I mean it's not bad per se

But it's the safe pick

[copper gorge]

It will come out today

[rich rune]

It's better than map

[toxic vortex]

Idk about that

[sacred flame]

🕓🕐🕑🕒🕔⏰

[toxic vortex]

I need to see a map comparison

[copper gorge]

They revealed within the stream they have to update the wiki

[tacit oyster]

today's relic reveals

[sacred flame]

Day 8 and 9 are empty on the website post 9 says ! Turtle

[toxic vortex]

The thing I didn't consider with alacrity is all the cave/underground shortcuts too

[rich rune]

I think map being on the detrimental side is quite bad. I think Evil Eye clears them all. Huey is a bank in the starter region. You get teleports to every boss. I guess region dependant, but I think it helps everywhere and is cracked in Mory.

[copper gorge]

Theres an overlay somewhere shows both

[tacit oyster]

yesterday's reveal: https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/demonic-pacts---overview?oldschool=1

[shadow badger]

Unless you pick hotfoot, you still need the agility levels for the shortcuts

[cloud panther]

hmm true

[toxic vortex]

Well as it just so happens, hot foot is on my radar

[copper gorge]

Yes but you may not need the shortcut

[toxic vortex]

That's the key

[unique smelt]

Oh thank god, flow state is terrible. I can be very happy taking reloaded.

[copper gorge]

It just gets you there

[copper gorge]

Its great for transmute

[rich rune]

I am strongly considering reloading in to Slayer Relic

[cloud panther]

Ye Flow State just doesn't seem that good for the tier it is

[shadow badger]

This is my dilemma

[toxic vortex]

I think it's good. But I don't think it solves anything for me that I wouldn't just take reloaded

[shadow badger]

Should've been a T5 relic

[unique smelt]

Is flow state our only big crafting solve so far?

[toxic vortex]

No

[copper gorge]

Larc

Honestly transmute too

[unique smelt]

Transmute lets us do d’hide well

[sacred flame]

Flowstate k>nda cracked for speedrun, but on long-term ill prefer reloaded

[copper gorge]

Transmute also autocasts if you have noted piles

[mint cargo]

Or dragonstones

[tacit oyster]

butler can passively give crafting xp and transmutation can turn gems into higher tier

[rugged spruce]

Are they going to update the blog today with the reveals or...?

[unique smelt]

Yes, but without the ability to batch make runes it isn’t a solve, just a big boost.

[copper gorge]

Larc gem stalls bang

[cloud panther]

Larcenist you can steal from the gem stall infinitely

[mint cargo]

@unique smelt Can you link the 21p tribrid setup?

[tacit oyster]

butler kinda cracked for passive crafting xp even works while offline

[unique smelt]

Dmd you.

[copper gorge]

Wdym

[mint cargo]

Thx

[unique smelt]

Batch make gems I meant, my bad.

[shadow badger]

Flow state brings transmute from 12k/hr to 30k/hr
I think 12k is big enough

[unique smelt]

Crafting still seems like it’s going to be a real skill this league.

[rich rune]

• presuming a non larcenist hasn't touched it, and forever = 15 minutes

[cloud panther]

true

[copper gorge]

You gotta get the resources but yeah

[rich rune]

People oversell and undersell the relics

[cloud panther]

well provided that shops are infinite stock you can just xmute cheap runes into death runes and sell them to buy gems

[copper gorge]

Durrr my path is best

[rich rune]

With all passive relics, the real limitation is the log out and log in button. Stuff like hotfoot agility gets overvalued, you don't even hit 99 by the end of leagues.

I think people are overvaluing bell

[copper gorge]

You will with hotfoot 🤣

[weary drift]

What is flowstate???

[rich rune]

You will not hit 99 by the end of leagues iwht hot foot most likely

through passive alone

[cloud panther]

new t7 relic that just doesn't seem that good

[copper gorge]

Overvaluing bell 100% you gotta read the fine print

[copper gorge]

T7 2t resource processing

[mint cargo]

Yeah bell and hotfoot seem really nice if you're a "enjoy the gamemode" player

[weary drift]

Oh that’s ass, reloaded is way too good, thought t7 would be like bankers or smth really good

[rich rune]

biggest thing for me and bell, is idk about you, but I will play this league for a month max.

[mint cargo]

If you're blasting they probably aren't worth

[shadow badger]

Banker's note is not coming back

[copper gorge]

I play for 1-3 hours at most a day. Sometimes 0. Ill barely cross the t8 threshold.

[unique smelt]

Okay, so transmute IS a crafting solve. Dragonstones to 99 is 2 1/2 hours.

[weary drift]

Yeah bankers way quite literally the strongest relic

[tacit oyster]

i wonder how butler does not solve crating... you get 50m crafting xp in 210-420 hours (depending on multiplier) without doing anything, even if you are not even logged in

[copper gorge]

Endless harvest is fantastic for me

[unique smelt]

8000 dragonstones needed for 99 people, get your transmute working early. Should take 2.5 hrs.

[weary drift]

I’m thinking of skipping natures accord and instead taking friendly forester for all my herblore needs

[mint cargo]

Is making them into ammys worth or is there no bank close enough to furnace without edgeville/deepfin

[unique smelt]

Don’t bother. 2.5 hours to 99 is surely fast enough for you right?

[shadow badger]

Also red topaz upgrades into dragonstone, not diamond

[weary drift]

Karamja is close but costs

[mint cargo]

Fair, they just sell/alch for more so helps with gp if you don't have larceny

[unique smelt]

Banking the emeralds should take you about an hour, then about 5 hours of transmuting in the background, then 2.5 hours of active getting.

[cloud panther]

So I am thinking, Endless, Hotfoot, Evil Eye, Transmute, Larcenist, culling, Reload into either nature or conniving

[unique smelt]

Transmute is a pretty hard solve because we can buy Tokkul by the millions with transmuted air runes.

[cloud panther]

ye

[unique smelt]

For gems I mean.

[cloud panther]

Transmute also solves any gold needs we might have

[unique smelt]

Does it?

Seems much less good. For gold than for tokkul.

[tacit oyster]

selling runite ore is best money from transmute

[unique smelt]

Someone smarter than me will have done the math on it though.

Do we get the bulk ore from tzar again?

Or somewhere else is easier.

It’s getting the bulk ore close to a bank that’s the issue.

Unless your an endless harvester of course.

We don’t have a note purchases relic this Leagues, so any “Bulk” transmute buys NEED banks or teleports nearby.

[tacit oyster]

other option is indeed cutting dragonstone and alching or selling those

[weary drift]

Do elemental runes all transmute up? Like air to water to earth to fire or smth else??

[unique smelt]

This is 100% going to be a slower league in a lot of ways, makes me value friendly forager a lot higher.

[unique smelt]

Head to the jagex information channel, it has all the transmutes listed.

[cloud panther]

it goes Runes: Rune Essence → Pure Essence → Air → Water → Earth → Fire → Chaos → Nature → Cosmic → Law → Death → Astral → Blood → Soul → Wrath

[rich rune]

I'll t8, finish up the gear, raid with the boys for 2 weeks, and never log in again lol

[toxic vortex]

I'm thinking butlers bell and reload in to soul harvest

Or the other way around

[mint cargo]

So just the transmute cast time is 20 ticks from iron to rune, which means 227.5 tokkul per tick profit

Not counting nature rune regen or downtime for buying/selling

So ~1.3m tokkul/h

[copper gorge]

Thats also 10 rune ore per cast

[lofty zinc]

I like Nature's bounty for herblore. I probably won't do 50m herblore tho?

[copper gorge]

Can transmute tree and herb seeds. For herbs. Will also get herb drops.

[gentle rune]

You shouldnt pick transmutation first you should pick butlers bell then reload into that because then youll have plenty of resources

[mint cargo]

Yeah counted that,
10*(480 sell - 25 buy)/20 ticks

[latent magnet]

selling runite for tokkul?

[mint cargo]

Buying iron, transmuting to rune, then selling

[slim mason]

do we not get daily updates anymore? 🤣

[copper gorge]

Its gunna be a fun leagues for skilling

[cloud panther]

it's faster than selling Death for Tokkul by xmuting fire

[gentle rune]

Its not a good idea to do that

[latent magnet]

you can just endless mine iron

[mint cargo]

Yeah they were just talking about it further up so I ran the numbers

[gentle rune]

Makes sense

[latent magnet]

buy/endless mine, whichever works

transmute busted

[gentle rune]

But if you pick conniving clues you should pick bank heist

[frosty osprey]

Does superheat autocast with flow state

do we know?

[gentle rune]

Because then youll become uri

[latent magnet]

might not go for hotfoot if it means i cant use transmute on my items

buuuut idk

[frosty osprey]

My ass does not want to span click

[latent magnet]

i could just toggle off hotfoot for mining

[shadow badger]

Only transmutation has autocast

[mint cargo]

Except you can't buy noted

[gentle rune]

Its not a good idea to do that trust

[mint cargo]

My math was only accounting for the transmute cast time

[gentle rune]

You should gather resources when offline so you can process them when ur online

[twin ermine]

I'm thinking about this, just hard chasing defense bonus to rock a bulwark with blindbag. guessing inv weapons would be elder maul, nox hally, scythe, SRA, and i guess bludgeon? will have to see if inq mace or DHL is better without a defender

But that hard locks me to zeah and mory (which means raids which is cool ig)

I can't post SS but here's the map https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-135-136-139-140-141-145-146-150-151-152-153-154-155-156-157-161-165-43-57-58-61-62-63-64-71-73-74-80-81-82-83-84-85-86-88-92-94-95-98

[cloud panther]

hmm

with hotfoot the iron ore you mine will always be iron bars not steel ones correct? Or will it switch to steel if you have the level to smelt it?

[empty pagoda]

Prior autosmelting relics made steel, but they may have changed that this League.

[mint cargo]

What I want to know is does the 2 tile away spec regen node work with dinhs. Cause if it does, you should be able to permanently sustain door specs with that plus the 1h capstone

Against a big pile of enemies anyway

[twin ermine]

surely it does, the problem comes with how you have to stack enemies to get the effect

like it can't be a pile tey have to surround you

[mint cargo]

Just go to catacombs, stand in the middle and don't move so they can't stack up

Crazy slayer xp on stuff like dagannoths

[rich rune]

Some of you guys doing builds where your intention is to not log in or click the screen 🤣

[rich rune]

In the 10-20 days that you passively generate 99 crafting, it won't matter unless your goal is to max.

Active play is easily getting t8 by then

[twin ermine]

tbf even traditional builds are like that, killing vard in 6s etc is basically afk

[rich rune]

fr fr

[tardy terrace]

Flow state seems super strong but is it a for sure take over reloaded?

[cloud panther]

not really, it is strong but it being t7 really tones it down for me

[tardy terrace]

I think it is strong for anyone looking to max out 50m exp in every non combat skill

Except agility I guess

[mint cargo]

I just feel like clues + transmute is gonna be really strong

[crude dawn]

Flow state is horrible for a t7

[twin ermine]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-139-140-141-142-143-144-145-146-150-151-152-153-154-155-156-157-161-162-163-165-43-58-61-62-63-64-71-73-74-80-81-82-83-84-86-88-92-94-95

you could do this then, you lose 10 defense levels and the health/prayer restore node in top center, but you also pick up the 50% prayer bonus to melee strength node

nevermind, blindbag stops working off specs

[lament jasper]

are there any reveals today?

[tacit oyster]

its competing with lower tier relics since reloaded is the other option

[unique smelt]

If you consider yourself a casual player, stay the heck away from flow state, reload into whatever you want to do the least.

Don’t want to worry about doing farm runs, reload forager, don’t want to do agility, hotfoot, go take clues for points etc etc.

[tardy terrace]

I guess jagex will know they dun goof'd if everyone takes reloaded. I will probably take soul harvest first and reload into larcenist

[tacit oyster]

#leagues-general message today's relic reveals

livestream replaced normal reveal

[lament jasper]

ah thnx, was reloading the website but they havent updated there own site then i guess

[tacit oyster]

annoying how they skipped adding the reveals to leagues 6 blog 2 days in row

[cloud panther]

Other than Soul Harvest does any relic really help RC?

[tacit oyster]

yesterday was different blog and today livestream, neither updated on the original blog

[tacit oyster]

transmute can turn air runes into noted pure essence for unlimited essence, still need a way to get to altar and bank

[proven laurel]

Any knowers know if the second 40% max hit on light melee weapons can proc ranged echos?

And also if these second hits / blindbag procs / echo procs also give 2% spec for each?

[cloud panther]

mmmm i guess the agil shortcut tele one could work at the dark alter to make bloods.

[tacit oyster]

on stream they said echoes dont get benefits from weapon pacts, no always max hitting from crossbow shot. Not sure if some work or if it was nothing works

[tardy terrace]

If you took map, you could teleport near nature altar and cosmic

[cursive edge]

wait so with transmutation, you can buy a bunch of air runes and then diverge them into unnoted pure essence next to a RC altar?

[mint cargo]

Would probably do something like this. And yeah blindbag doesn't work with spec but you'll want it for other content so unless you want to full send the slayer grind and then respec I think you keep it anyway
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-11-135-136-139-140-141-142-143-144-145-146-150-151-152-161-162-163-43-58-61-62-63-64-71-73-74-8-81-82-83-84-85-86-88-92-93-94-95-99

[cloud panther]

no, the ess will be auto noted

[cursive edge]

ahh ok

[lone bloom]

No relic reveal today either wtf jagex

[tardy terrace]

I wish bank heist would've also received the ability to buy noted items like golden god did last league

[cursive edge]

so at 10 pure essence generated every 3 ticks, it's gonna take a while to gather the stuff eh

[cloud panther]

They revealed Relics, they just didnt update the blog

[lone bloom]

Where

[tardy terrace]

Check media

[lone bloom]

Ok

[cloud panther]

Stream on their official youtube

[mint cargo]

Moving to a theories and plans thread @twin ermine

[cloud panther]

anywho ima go be busy irl for a bit cya all have a good day

[tacit oyster]

#leagues-general message here are images of the relics

[lone bloom]

What does flow state do

[tacit oyster]

turns gathering and skilling action into 2 tick (1.2sec) speed

[lone bloom]

Whoa that’s epic for EH

[analog lance]

Me when I don't update the blog for three days

[tacit oyster]

also works with transmute so you can cast 3000 times per hour instead of 1200 times

[lone bloom]

Wow that’s so OP

nobody picking abundance anymore lol

[fierce heron]

abundance is still extra xp an hour and infinate money

and you still have to get to tier 7 to get it

[copper gorge]

Money becomes a non issue real quick

[toxic vortex]

in the past iron started becoming steel when you reach the smithing lvl to make steel bars

did anyone get a screenshot of the pact build that faux had up on the stream

[wanton arrow]

Which one?

[toxic vortex]

the big jagex stream

[wanton arrow]

I mean which build haha

[toxic vortex]

the hally blindbag

[wanton arrow]

Ah one sec

[zealous whale]

Anybody have an idea if the Flask of Fervor will reset sanity against whisperer? That awakened fight will be a wall for most simply because of the sanity

[toxic vortex]

good question

[icy comet]

could anyone explain what exactly trasmutation ledger does?

[toxic vortex]

you have 10 iron ores

you can make 10 coal

that 10 coal can become 10 mith

so on and so on

[wanton arrow]

Dmd cause I can't post screenies in here

[icy comet]

ahhh okay so is it even worth getting dreggman?

[toxic vortex]

depends

[toxic vortex]

thanks broseph

[icy comet]

im taking reloaded so was thinking about it but i might take something else

[toxic vortex]

transmute works with most things, but it does not work with bars

you can convert/downgrade ores, but you cannot do anything with bars

[wanton arrow]

I think my biggest conflict so far is grimoire or culling spree, given i won't have zeah or kandarin

[copper gorge]

Neither and take the unknown

[wanton arrow]

Hehe yeah that could be the play

I will have asgarnia though so royal titan save

[icy comet]

thank you @toxic vortex

[tacit oyster]

titan prayer better for air spells since can also activate steel skin

[warm bridge]

anyone else doing KZT/KZW?

[shadow badger]

I'm doing KTZ

[wanton arrow]

Haha probably a good plan. I know no one but my crazy self is doing WAF

[toxic vortex]

I'm thinking MT-something

[warm bridge]

so im not dull going for mager with those regions then

[shadow badger]

I'm going for melee

[warm bridge]

melee??

[warm bridge]

tribrid but melee focus, i see

[fickle jasper]

This is more of a hybrid build tbh

The ranged nodes are there because of that melee node that considers you having a crossbow, thrown item and bow equipped

[shadow badger]

Ranged doesn't have much

[tacit oyster]

its melee blindbag + hit echo build with 2 tick shadow

most of the ranged tree are just to buff the melee echo hits

[weary drift]

I wanna know what echos look like because I might try to do mage with the one handed cerb wep if it works with the devils element

[tardy terrace]

Even though there are barb fishing spots at CoX, you have to have kandarin to get the barb rod right? I know you can get one from aerial fishing, but you have to talk to Otto to use it.

[weary drift]

Depends if you take barb gathering I think

[tardy terrace]

Let's assume EH

[shadow badger]

Pretty sure you need Kandarin

[fickle jasper]

I wonder if that part will be autocompleted

It is a mini-quest and I vaguely recall doing barb fishing and I've never taken kandarin

But maybe its the relic that did it

[tardy terrace]

I doubt jagex even thought about it but if you could fish at barb with endless harvest, knock out 99 fish and have 70+ str and agil

[plain merlin]

Reading up on Transmutation but it feels like it might just be a reload relic
thought it would work with wayyy more items
Darts arrows low level items like wind staff > mystic staff bronze dagger > dragon dagger gems up to onyx
thought it was going to be a hard choice between it and butler but idk maybe i am missing something

felt like a gp relic to me when i first heard it

[copper gorge]

Its a raw materials relic

Same with butler.

[mint cargo]

Can also unlock some inaccessible supplies like anglers or wrath runes, though you should be able to overregen wraths once you get a drop

[copper gorge]

Butler will process stuff too which youll get half xp except herb youll get unf pots

[plain merlin]

wounder why they did go with runes but now arrows

its decent like getting super d bones is nice

but you could also jsut afk mine boneshards

[tired notch]

Can anybody confirm whether the "Healing with Demonic Pacts overheal, up to +30% of your max hitpoints level", stack with each other for more than +30%? so ending up with like 200hp to work with the water spell tree?

[plain merlin]

its good but thought it could've been 2-3x as good as it is

[copper gorge]

How long would it take you to get as much xp from mining bone shards as you would for getting them from superior d bones?

[plain merlin]

it all depends if you pick soul harvest then u dont need the bones anyway

its more about its not solving a skill

[copper gorge]

Wont be going soul harvest

[plain merlin]

afk 30 min of boneshards when going to sleep finish auto prayer

[languid mauve]

Hmm

[plain merlin]

does it do more then just the runecrafting and prayer?

or is that just it

that is just it

not good enough

tier 5 for that

[tacit oyster]

soul harvest is easiest rc xp and passive/fast prayer training method. no other functions and requires you to pvm a lot or do constant farm/tree runs to stack up

well mostly from farming xp drops really

[plain merlin]

intresting tier 7

does make reload not feel like a bad option tbh

[languid mauve]

100m prayer xp is also a task worth 200 points

[copper gorge]

T5 im going larc. It solves thieve and craft. If i go kourend it solves seeds. Transmute i can change all the seeds to the ones i want/need

[plain merlin]

100m xp and 200m xp

is only once no?

[languid mauve]

Reread it

[tacit oyster]

100m in any combat skill can be prayer or magic

[languid mauve]

Its one non melee combat and one combat and one non combat

[languid mauve]

Nope re read it

Its specifically states

[tacit oyster]

Obtain 100 million experience in a skill excluding Attack, Strength, Defence, Magic, Ranged & Hitpoints
Obtain 100 million experience in either Attack, Strength, Defence, Magic, Ranged, Hitpoints or Prayer
Obtain 200 million experience in any non-combat skill
Obtain 200 million experience in either Attack, Strength, Defence, Magic, Ranged, Hitpoints or Prayer

[languid mauve]

EXCLUDING

First one is orayer only

Prayer*

[plain merlin]

larc + Tirannwn easy points

[tacit oyster]

oh they forgot to add prayer to the 1st one

100m in non combat, 100m in combat, 200m in non combat, 200m in combat

[languid mauve]

Yea lol

Its silly to only make it orayer gotta be a typo

Im excited for tomorrow after todays reveals

Echo items will be the finishing touch to my build

[plain merlin]

do we know if echo hunllef has the same drop as last league?

it does

[tacit oyster]

they edited it in leagues discord but on the blog

[languid mauve]

Currently yes with the possibility it might have more effects

[plain merlin]

dks are nerfed

outside of the NEW helmet

which of course stats could just be so insane that they are not

[languid mauve]

Yeah thats one of my regions

[plain merlin]

last league i was Tirawn mory fremennik

[languid mauve]

My region choices wont chsnge at all at this stage

[plain merlin]

i might swap fremennik this time depending how good that helmet is vs the cerb dagger

sadly dagger is fast and most mellee routes are heavy hitting weapons

but it could be a cool spec regen

[languid mauve]

Helmet is going to be a type of monarch replacement

Its going to be very powerful

[plain merlin]

it be nice to use the crystal blessing full buff this time vs the 2 pieces and helmet

[winged trench]

What are the new relics?

[languid mauve]

We will find out in about 21 hours

[languid mauve]

One that basically makes every action in game 2 tick tier 7 relic

Tier 3 was bankers teleport

[winged trench]

Any clues if Bankers Note will be in this league?

[plain merlin]

dont think that takes over evil eye for me

and the tier 7 is alright

its good but eh

[shut copper]

No bankers note confirmed.

[plain merlin]

reload might be better

[languid mauve]

No they confirmed there will be NO bankers note

[winged trench]

RIP

[plain merlin]

no more verzik face tanking 😄

[languid mauve]

Naaa i was never going reloaded imo

[plain merlin]

i was thinking the same

[languid mauve]

Verzik already ez in hmt

[plain merlin]

but skilling being 2 tick

i couldnt care less

[languid mauve]

Might as well go reloaded then

[plain merlin]

might just pick up 2 tier 6

[plain merlin]

pretty much

[languid mauve]

I care because im going for EH and itll help me with resources and 200m

[plain merlin]

yh it depends how you play fs

i do normally max every league but still

[coral basin]

Im now a little more torn between EH and BG than i used to be

[plain merlin]

its not that bad to just go for max without it

if you go 200m all insane demon mode

then for sure it saves lots of time

[coral basin]

Im probably still gonna do BG cause i think its cool not having to worry about tools ever

[plain merlin]

it is cool tbh

im still picking eh fs

30min afk

hell yeah

[languid mauve]

Someones personal goals is what will ultimately chsnge relics

There are no bad choices

Besides convvining clues

Lol

[plain merlin]

league 1 wants to talk 😄

[languid mauve]

Haha

I mean specifically for league 6

[plain merlin]

everything is pretty good

but it does all feel a bit towned down from last league

[languid mauve]

Last league sucked

[plain merlin]

wounder if we get Ruinous power for tier 6

[languid mauve]

Mage got screwed for 2nd year again

Now mage feels worthy

[plain merlin]

ice barrage being water and blood barrage being fire

could be insane

1tick ayak

[wheat gale]

Will Endless harvest double your agility xp from normal Barbarian fishing? if so... I'm calcing 416k agility xp/hr with Endless harvest + Flow state.

[coral basin]

If Im planning on doing KDM, what combat styles / pact ideas would yall recommend

[languid mauve]

I think barb fishing + the barb relic would be more xp

[plain merlin]

did anyone last league go for harm + devil

[languid mauve]

Specially if u add flow state

[plain merlin]

dont think it be as good now

[languid mauve]

Yes

[wheat gale]

I dont want barbarian gathering

[plain merlin]

i think the main problem with element weakness is just an insane amount of bosses + monsters dont have it

grinding out phosani for the harm would be cool with devil element but last year i looked it up

[languid mauve]

Eh + flow state gonns be so goddamn fast

[plain merlin]

she doesnt have a element weakness

as most bosses dont have

[languid mauve]

Doesnt matter

Dont need ele weakness

[plain merlin]

it does for big number on boss looks fun aspect

devil element boosts weakness bonus by 100%

but no monster has a element weaknes

so boost 100% x 0=0

[languid mauve]

Trust me

U gonna shit on phosani

[plain merlin]

ofc you do

[languid mauve]

No ele weakness needed

[plain merlin]

you going to shit on everything

but still feels weird they are going this element route

with bosses having 0 element weakness

to me

same issue as last year

[modest merlin]

Has anybody confirmed if the mage "Count as # Spells" passives apply to all things, like weaknesses, or just to the other passive mods?

[languid mauve]

No last leagues was before the ele fix

Most monsters in game have ele weakness now

Last leagues they did not

Also last leagues was in 2024

Update was in 2025

[languid mauve]

As far as Mod husky has confirmed the only things that work are ice spells, and the echo item kbd crossbow

Blood spells will not trigger fire spells in pacts

There could be more but thats all they spoke about on spell specific

[modest merlin]

Yeah I've spent too long under GGG rules where that would normally imply all the other advantages as well. I guess we'll see.

[faint cliff]

The pacts board has a node for each of the ancient types to count as specific elements

[languid mauve]

Yeah take poe out of ur mind here

Its not that complex as por

Poe*

[faint cliff]

So if Ice acts like water like confirmed, the rest will also behave as confirmed

[languid mauve]

Yes they do but for some unknown reason in the live stream the confirmed casting blood spells would not trigger fire pacts

[plain merlin]

if you unlock mory
Verzik=no
Xarp=wind 50% x2=100%
Bloat=no
Nylo small/boss is 15%x2=30%
maiden=0
phosani=0
pillar is what 50 or 100% for fire

[languid mauve]

Even if you have conversion on

[plain merlin]

and you have to pick kandarin

for the element

i guess you can use it on araxxor for 100% dmg

[languid mauve]

I would just wait for more confirmation because what he said makes no sense and defeats the purpose of conversion

[faint cliff]

Could you provide a timestamp? That doesn't seem right and I was watching the whole stream. Completely possible I missed it, of course.

[craggy sphinx]

Can a jmod bump the news post for leagues up? Its now in the archive

[languid mauve]

I dont have a timestamp

[craggy sphinx]

And was there no update for April 8th and 9th?

[languid mauve]

Im going kanderin/Asgarnis/Morytania

[languid mauve]

Reveals yesterday and today

2 new relics today

[plain merlin]

you going mage?

or mellee

[languid mauve]

Well yea

Mage all the way

[faint cliff]

That sounds like a "just trust me bro" then, ya know?

We've got actual confirmation on water spells behaving that way from the same livestream, during scritic's explination of the dual crossbow

[languid mauve]

Going water mage

[plain merlin]

still think for leagues they should give most bosses that dont have an element weakness one

[modest merlin]

Could it be because blood spells don't consume fires, and that's what they meant?

[craggy sphinx]

Didn't see a reveal fir today? Its like 8pm today

[languid mauve]

Most likely

[faint cliff]

Why would the other nodes behave any differently

[plain merlin]

wiki has 2 new relic listed

just no graphic for them yet

[languid mauve]

Tier 3 bank teleport relic and a tier 7 that makes most non combat actions in game 2 tick including minigame stuff

[craggy sphinx]

Ill check there thanks

[languid mauve]

You have to ask them i have no idea

[plain merlin]

you picking grim narth?

[languid mauve]

Most likely not

[faint cliff]

🤣

[plain merlin]

1 tick ayak all the way huh

[shadow badger]

Blood spells don't use fire runes so they won't proc fire rune pacts

[faint cliff]

You just said they said it "in the livestream"

[languid mauve]

They did

And theres another person confirming it

[shadow badger]

Ice procs water
Shadow procs air
Smoke procs air and fire

[faint cliff]

It's fine though, I'm gonna keep staring at earth and thorns and be happy

[languid mauve]

U gotta get ayak first just be very careful how fast you unlock 1 tick node

[shadow badger]

What's the earliest powered staff you can get?

Warped sceptre?

[languid mauve]

Warped sceptre

Well

Technically

[plain merlin]

tbh you can probably farm wave 1-4 of doom pretty early

[languid mauve]

Scurriius sceptre

[shadow badger]

No misth

[languid mauve]

Counts as a sceptre

I know

Just saying

[shadow badger]

Also rats only

[languid mauve]

Warped would be earliest at 56

Then 75 trident

But if you unlock 1 tick node at lvl 75 magic u might be lucky to hit 20s

[shadow badger]

You need 87 slayer for trident right?

[languid mauve]

Which doesnt really matter when u 1at

1T*

[plain merlin]

that kbd crossbow might be cool with the crossbow buff

[modest merlin]

Also, anybody know if tomes regenerate as well?

[languid mauve]

yes 87 slayer

[plain merlin]

might be a second account route

[languid mauve]

Yes infinite sources of runes can generate runes

[modest merlin]

But do they lose their charges?

[languid mauve]

Yeah im not sure on my 2nd route but i will be started leagues with 3 accounts running EH

[languid mauve]

If you dont proc the generation yes

If you reach 100% u will always generate

Iban staff is technically a powered stave lmfao

50 magic

[shadow badger]

Is it?

[plain merlin]

culling spree + the blessing and full crystal might be nice this time

[shadow badger]

It just uses a standard spellbook spell

[plain merlin]

might just pick up grim or whatever else we get as a tier 6 with reload ngl

[languid mauve]

Anything that has its damage increased by magic levels is treated as a powered item

Ibans is the same

U also charge ibans so thats a 2nd fold that works too

[shadow badger]

Nope it isn't

[languid mauve]

Yeah if 3rd tier 6 isnt broken im going slayer although it wiuld have to be super amazing me for me skip out on a perm slayer helm I

[plain merlin]

just no raids slayer this time haha

[languid mauve]

True lol

[tough finch]

Do you think the tome of fire fucks up the fire rune consumption buff for the fire rune regeneration

[proper wave]

Which raid zone will people most likely pick?

[languid mauve]

Na because your still consuming them same way its able to generate a rune from infinite

[languid mauve]

Most will pick cox or toa

[shadow badger]

Maybe mory for the 6 scythe combo

[languid mauve]

Because they think tob is hard or mory sucks

[proper wave]

Damn, I really thought ToB

[languid mauve]

Im going tob i love tob

[dense forge]

It depends on their build tbh

[slim glen]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Pacts_League#Relics any can confirm that the other relics appear on this are the ones that we gonna have?

[languid mauve]

I just hear a lot of people say cox or toa

[slim glen]

theres all the relics rn

[languid mauve]

Yes they are

Tier 3 and 7 are real relics from todays livestream

[dense forge]

Like thorns or blind bag gets a lot of value out of mory, but it's basically useless for range

[slim glen]

ohhhh nice

[tough finch]

I'm sure that single person who rocks karils crossbow will have tons of fun dealing double max hitsplats + spamming echoes

[languid mauve]

Im still stuck on tier 4/5

And kinda tier 2

[tough finch]

I'm probably picking kourend and morytania because they enable so much for multiple styles, plus raids, and then I'll have to wait and see on my 3rd region with echo equipment. I don't think personally I want to try to min max one style at the cost of being able to try a couple different options throughout the leagues

if I was more interested in thorns might be hard to ignore kandarin for the suffering

[languid mauve]

True

Hmm

[tacit oyster]

i wanted to go crossbow but if kbd crossbow is by far best crossbow then i might not go it since i dont want wilderness

[languid mauve]

Kbd crossbow is so broken

Each hit splat can max hit from the pact node

Easily hitting 140+ in 1 attack

[tacit oyster]

im just hoping it is 10 tick with the pact so i can comfortable go zcb

[languid mauve]

How do you think ice barrage will work woth the water healing pact

60% of all damage or 60% of only one instance

[tacit oyster]

probably works on aoe too, since they want to make things work more like they sound in most cases

[atomic plinth]

would be really nice if they updated the teaser page :/

[tacit oyster]

#leagues-general message images of today's reveal here. Livestream did have some extra info about how demonic pacts and already released relics work

[mint cargo]

This is my plan too. I'm comfortable ignoring ranged but I'm not sure if I'm going to end up mage or melee and those two regions seem like great options for both

[languid mauve]

@tawny frost no it does not Mod Husky confirmed in todays livestream no matter what procs the +25% you still have to swap weapons for the 2nd weapon to receive the bonus

[atomic plinth]

much appreciated

[tawny frost]

I mean just bulwark special attack
SWAP
wilderness crossbow

[languid mauve]

Im not sure special attack works to trigger

[tawny frost]

and also: if you hit a 0 with the swapped weapon, does that already "consume" the +25? or does the +25% dmg only apply to actual hit splats

[languid mauve]

I think it has to be a regular hit

[languid mauve]

Well a 0 is still a hit

But truthfully idk

Thats a great question

[tawny frost]

well I am on couldown xD

[copper gorge]

Noxious hally into wildy cbow into noxious hally blindbag

[river quarry]

Do we know if guardian boots will drop off GGs like previous leagues?

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-yikes-gif-15532766

[copper gorge]

The mage side is the only side with vampiristic effects right?

[tough finch]

here's a cheapo 26 point concept build for long range melee with blindbag and amped procs of ranged echoes. could also just take the base ranged echo node if you felt like actually using ranged and saving a little bit of point https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-11-150-151-152-153-154-155-156-157-161-17-18-4-43-5-7-73-74-8-80-82-86-88-93-99

I think melee proccing ranged echoes, being able to pick the ranged echo buffs is funny

[copper gorge]

They will

[tacit oyster]

If you cannot make item into wearable version in that specific region without other region it will drop as equippable version

[mint cargo]

Don't you get echo boots from colo anyway

[tacit oyster]

yes echo crystal drops as echo boots

[mint cargo]

Don't need to go out of your way to get the guardians

[river quarry]

Oh neat

[toxic vortex]

Most items do but I don't think we have a definitive list of what does or doesnt

[proper wave]

what would be the best staff to use for elemental stuff?

[tacit oyster]

they might have missed something but everything should drop as equippable version or you can craft it into equippable version without help of other region

[bronze crest]

harm staff

[proper wave]

That's what I was thinking, but also thought maybe kodai for ice spells = water

[bronze crest]

you have so much rune regen kinda not needed

[bleak depot]

I’m gonna do nightmare staff personally cause it can autocast ancients.

[bronze crest]

even at just 80% sustaining runes will be no issue

[bleak depot]

Nightmare and kodai have the same damage percentage.

[tough finch]

I don't think most mage builds will NEED 100%+

[mint cargo]

But you want it

[tough finch]

unlike ranged, which needs regen to proc echoes

[mint cargo]

The regen nodes are crazy

[tacit oyster]

harm staff best for normal spell book. Kodai slightly better accuracy than nightmare staff for ancient (same max hit)

[mint cargo]

(except earth you don't need big numbers for earth)

[tough finch]

Fire gets amped more is the best one for sure. Everything else, it's nice but getting to 80-90% would be perfectly fine

[vagrant acorn]

There is still no solve at all for construction in any relic? No golden god, no bankers note

[molten gust]

Are the relics they revealed today still not on the blog?

[tacit oyster]

can get planks with different relics but no way to train faster than normal

abuncance best moneymaker relic

[bleak depot]

I think I’m the only person not going earth spells, I’m specing into water and fire with huge hp reserves for overheal +90% hp from ice barrage and then melt the with blood barrage

[vagrant acorn]

Only plank relic is demon butler. And when you talk about contruction money that solves the skill you are talking golden god money, not abundance money

[tacit oyster]

today's revealed relics

[winged trench]

I feel like Evil Eye will be nice for the end game when we’re just killing bosses for KC

[molten gust]

Yeah but I mean they haven’t updated the blog on it nor the wiki yet. But thanks for passing that at least so I can look over stuff. Was not paying the most attention to the stream.

[mint cargo]

I want to go fire spells early, I'm just worried about moons

It should rip at everything else but they have crazy mage defence

[bleak depot]

I wouldn’t stress moons too much, i would start with water because of the constant healing then spec into fire after

Can always come back to moons ya know ?

[tacit oyster]

if you want to go mage start i would recommend trying to rush for new region unlock after doing karamja stuff while skipping a lot of varlamore combat

[bleak depot]

^

I’m rushing mory - then kandarin - then possibly Tiranwynn depending on what that echo item does

[winged trench]

Melee to start and then resetting into the setup you actual want may be the move

[mint cargo]

I feel like if you go fire right away you're not likely to even need the healing, on 10 points fire blast is over triple its regular damage, don't need to heal if enemy is ded

[bleak depot]

Oh i didn’t think about the burn from fire possibly ignoring defense that’s a good point

[proper wave]

What's the deal with earth spells?

[tough finch]

Peep this blue moon basic concept build. Idea is to spam ancient ice spells, proc blue moon set for insta free melees that then also proc blindbag, which also spends your water overheals, and generates a ton of spec to keep the train rolling. Kept to only 28 pts for other options. https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-112-113-114-122-123-150-161-165-43-44-46-56-59-68-73-74-82-83-85-86-88-92-93-94-96-99

[coral silo]

FLAT damage goes up with defense levels

[bleak depot]

Earth spells add flat damage based on def and there’s a ton of defense nodes

[tacit oyster]

earth mage build is more of late game build

[proper wave]

think it'll use the gg echo or harm staff?

[tough finch]

We have no idea what the gg wand is going to be but hopefully its sick nasty. can't wait for tomorrow

[tacit oyster]

echo gg is powered staff so unless you go shield + thorns not that great for earth rune regen build

[languid mauve]

Blood barrage wont work with fire pacts

[tough finch]

I mean it does if you take the node

[languid mauve]

Ehat is the echo gg i hear people talk about it but never seen it before was that in a prev leaguer

[tough finch]

you just won't generate fire runes because blood barrage doesn't use them

Frankly I don't think just going base elemental damage and skipping ancients would be terrible

[tacit oyster]

blood barrage counts as fire spell but fill not regenerate fire runes for the extra damage on next hit

[languid mauve]

Idk man they said in livestream it wont trigger fire pacts even with node but maybe an oversight

[tough finch]

if anything air is underrated since smoke barrage could max on everything in a 3x3

[bleak depot]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-101-103-106-107-11-112-113-114-117-118-119-12-122-123-124-133-166-44-45-46-47-53-54-55-56-58-59-60-62-67-68-69-8-92-93-94-96-99

this is what I’m currently at but still playing with it

Blood barrage will still trigger the burn effect stacking.

[tough finch]

40 pts is a lot of points. I think it's probably best to try to find stuff that's totally functional and online well before 40

[languid mauve]

Yeah but most players likely wont see above 35-36

Some of those tasks are hard leagues or not

[bleak depot]

What makes you say that ?

[tacit oyster]

30 points should be achievable for most, above 35 will be struggle for newer players or players who are not used to late game pvm

[bleak depot]

Most of the shit is afk

[languid mauve]

Yes

[languid mauve]

Yeah good amount

[bleak depot]

Idk i have masters hilt the only shit i been struggling with is radiant oath plate contracts

[languid mauve]

I cannot wait for tomorrow

[bleak depot]

Leagues is busted anyways i don’t think we’ll have an issue hitting 40

[tough finch]

even with leagues being op, how many people got an infernal cape last time

[tacit oyster]

for everyone last point will be hard. 6 jad challenge with inferno mobs spawning in waves to disrupt you, technically possible to do it with rng from water mage + thorns but not sure if possible without prayer flicking jads

[tough finch]

required this time for all 40pts

a few tasks will still push people

it's that last handful

[bleak depot]

6 jads can be our dps’d with heals if you just focus on getting prayers correct

Not trying to be “that guy” but like.. it is leagues after all

[languid mauve]

Im going to attempt it without changing orayers

[tacit oyster]

tell that to new players who havent even done zulrah in main game

[bleak depot]

Idk i wouldn’t stress the 6 jad challenge, sure it’s difficult in main game but inferno is legitimately afk in leagues.

Yeah i guess for new players but still

[languid mauve]

Lol

[tough finch]

I really do wonder now if blood barrage can bounce and stack 3 of them in one clump

I mean i would imagine so, but idk

[bleak depot]

Squid gets it :p

[tough finch]

it does seem like it would be a bit much.. but it's also leagues

if those idiots can 7 tile a nox hally pls let blood mage splash triple barrages

[tacit oyster]

depends on npc since it has to hit all of them on south west corner for multi hit

cannot get jads on top of each other

[molten gust]

For this one. Do we know if it requires the pacts for the range echos to work?

When hitting a target with a two handed melee weapon, you have a 5% chance to trigger a Ranged echo as if you have a bow, crossbow and thrown weapon equipped.
Ranged echo: An additional ranged attack which rolls with your melee stats instead of ranged. Echo attacks cannot trigger additional echo attacks.

[lapis flax]

it works by itself but is boosted from the 3 starter ranged nodes as well as the node that allows you to trigger up to 4 echos

[tough finch]

it doesn't require them but they work on the melee proc of ranged echos. like the crossbow +15%, the thrown 20% chance to max, etc, the echo triggers echo

[cursive edge]

So:

• Smoke Barrage
• 150% regen
• Gets 12 max hits worth of damage from the fire rune node
• That makes it effectively 39 max hit base
• With 8 prayers active, and BiS gear requiring Kourend + Kandarin
• You reach 97% increased damage
• Also 37 prayer bonus

That makes it 39 * 1.97 * 1.37 = 105 max hit equivalent, at 3 tick speed, or 58.5 dps

[tacit oyster]

shouldnt need ranged pacts to work but these first 3 work with the melee echoes

[cursive edge]

seems insane

with confliction + like 50% chance to roll max accuracy from ranger tree

[tough finch]

people are sleeping on the air mage + crossbox max hybrid build where you just swap between cbows and air spells

for +25% maxes constantly

[icy comet]

wait doesnt anyone know if we can get to fossil island and varrock museum without getting misthalin?

[cursive edge]

why even swap

[tough finch]

because the +25% damage when swapping after maxing node

[cursive edge]

cbow dps will be crap compared to smoke barrage

this was also assuming 0 air weakness

[tacit oyster]

no fossil island this league

[tough finch]

and you wont always be in multi

[icy comet]

damn that fossil island was my cheat code for exp lamps l0l

[cursive edge]

at 5t speed a crossbow has to hit 175 to match 58.5 dps with smoke barrage

[tacit oyster]

crossbows have echo hits and guaranteed max hit

[cursive edge]

yeah it would need a max hit of 175, guarantee hitting 175, every 3s

to do 58.5 dps

ah wait im very stupid, i needed to halve the 58.5 dps LOL

ignore my ass thanks

105 max hit at 3t speed is 29.2 dps

but anything with air weakness will be 40+

[tough finch]

but hey, do the crossbow thing, 25% more max damage teehee

and cbow can keep up a lot closer then

[cursive edge]

yeah if crossbow can hit like 70 max hit or so including echos etc

[plain pasture]

crossbow at endgame will be hitting 200+ if correct areas/pacts are picked

[cursive edge]

then i could see the swap tech workin

[tough finch]

ofc not necessary I'm just shilling the hybrid build because it sounds cool

[cursive edge]

lot of apm tho

oh shit 200? how?

[plain pasture]

zcb > dragon onyx bolts > pacts > ranged str bonus boosts

always max hits

whilst other dps is min/max hit averaged

from other styles

[cursive edge]

right, so max hit of 100 you mean

but thats equivalent to 200

[plain pasture]

nono

[cursive edge]

of a normally rolled hit

[plain pasture]

it will be hitting 200+

max hit, every hit

[cursive edge]

how tf is it hiting 200, that seems impossible

[plain pasture]

did math yday with a quick look at pacts and i got 198

[cursive edge]

can you share

[plain pasture]

but im sure i can make a better route with pacts to get it higher

[cursive edge]

ah including the 70% thing

so 7t

[plain pasture]

i literally just clicked every range pacts

without checking effects of echoes etc

but echoes also factor it much much higher

100% regen means every hit will have 35% chance to echo

this is with zcb, not kbd crossbow for all we know that thing could be more broken

mix it with water mage pacts etc

for the barrage hit and so on

even just thrown weps, with right areas/pacts u can get 55-65 maxhit.

dragon knives ofc

[tacit oyster]

200 does sound too high, i cannot figure how to even make it go to 150 for zcb

[plain pasture]

well i mean u can get to 135 or so with just the 70% damage and base ranged damage boost

[tardy terrace]

I wonder if you take soul harvest and kill kurasks, will I get noted big bones or soul shards?