leagues-general

[rich rune]

Yea I'm not in to this ARG shit, I just want to see the relics and start theorying. Don't love the spoon feeding, don't love the puzzles.

[solar nacelle]

i had fun with the puzzles i just hope the layout isnt like this ingame

[silent garnet]

I literally copied the text from the middle node

[restive saddle]

if you don't love the puzzle then someone tagged you with all answers

[potent quail]

Air spells have a +1% chance to max hit for every 1 prayer bonus, this chance is doubled against enemies weak to air spells
Air spells deal +7% damage for each active prayer
Smoke spells now count as 'air' spells
Whenever your combat spells Regenerate air runes, you have a 15% chance to restore 1 prayer point per rune regenerated
so smoke barrage ina 100 Prayer setup

always max hits
and you can turn like 8 prayers on and dont run out of prayer points
and aoe

[smoky raft]

me picking the absolute worst possible path to get a 140% chance to regenerate

[restive saddle]

but you didn't, the middle node is:

50% chance to Regenerate* runes, ammo and charges

*Regenerate: Whenever you use runes to cast a spell, fire ammunition from a ranged weapon or consume charges with a charged weapon there is a % chance to generate an additional resource spent

if you mean just the generate terminology it means you get that back

so if you use a charge there's a % chance you get the charge back

or if you use an air rune you generate/create an air rune

[smoky raft]

think ava's accumulator but also for runes and weapon charges

[restive saddle]

yeah

[toxic vortex]

There are additional nodes that give a flat percentage to regenerate ammo/runes/charges

So it says x% because that percentage can change based on what nodes you take

And thinks like avas and other items that save ammo/runes probably affect it as well

[restive saddle]

Might be first league I go mage, all the branches have insane stuff but mage seems particularly wild

[smoky raft]

don't forget!

[restive saddle]

running around with 114 def mage tank

[molten gust]

Someone needs to go into a inferno and see what spaces you can attack Zuk using a 7 range weapon.

[restive saddle]

oh didn't see this perm +15 def oh my god

[potent quail]

builds:

Magic:

air: smoke barrage with 100 Prayer setup: always max hit, have 8 prayers active and probavbly never run out of prayer

water/Ice: increase your max health over ap for more damage and heala ton with each cast.

Fire/blood: regenerate a ton of runes for higher damage, burn yoruself for damage and burn enemys and aoe attack

Earth/shadow: get more defence, lower enemy defence, deal more damage based on your defence

[restive saddle]

defence maxing

[potent quail]

i dont think you need that if you go for the 100 prayer setup

[smoky raft]

it's not about needing it

[potent quail]

so magic air and fire seems crazy
water is nice for afk stuff and freezing enemys
earth seems the worst, not sure how worth it is to stack defence

Attack rate with combat spells in a spellbook is sped up by # ticks
this is a must get though

[restive saddle]

funny I have the opposite feeling, my main concern with earth is accuracy

but once you hit doing an extra flat +130 damage seems insane unless I'm reading it wrong

[potent quail]

mhh no idea how powered staffs will work

[shadow badger]

I'm skipping magic all together since it seems so overwhelming

[potent quail]

OMG its FLAT damage

i thought it was %

yeah max hit increase of 130 seems solid

they gave powered staves super fast hit rate? shadow is a 2 tick weapon and ayak is a 1t weapon

oh

powered staff may be solid

[restive saddle]

it's funny cause with the attack speed increase -8 max hit don't feel so bad when you're getting insane flat max hit with earth lol

[meager mango]

ayak is a 1t weapon that will be funny LMAO

[potent quail]

someone correcred me the # may imply multiple defence lvls

[tacit oyster]

-8 max hit to 1 handed staves though

[potent quail]

so 1 flat damage per 5 defence lvls maybe

[potent quail]

1t weapon

[lone bloom]

What do u guys think of the 3 relics revealed today

[restive saddle]

ah we don't have the # well then it really depends on the #

[shut hollow]

which discord is this in?

[lone bloom]

Transmutation, butlers bell, soul harvest? They all seem pretty lame to me

[gentle rune]

So do you get 100% in all combat styles this is even more goated

[regal spindle]

Will some 1 explain to me how the dragon scimitar answer was discovered?

[restive saddle]

but with def maxing you can get

99 def
+15 perm
+5 perm
+X whatever you regen in 30 ticks

[gentle rune]

Or does prayer do anything

[potent quail]

quite strong and make tier 5 a very difficult choice

[latent ravine]

refers to the mouse cursor people download and get viruses

[potent quail]

have you read bell? its tiny kingdom

transmutation is probably a infinite money maker

[gentle rune]

Pocket kingdom

[potent quail]

lets assume 150

and if the final earth node grants 1 flat damage per 5 defence

thats 30 max damage

[gentle rune]

Honestly you would only get tokkul since no shops buy dragonstone

[smoky raft]

2 tick earth surge with a 100% regen chance (which most people will not have but I'm using it here to simplify) will regenerate 150 earth runes

[potent quail]

ah right transmutation solves prayer
you can rank up your bones

[gentle rune]

And it takes time for newbies who havent played rs3 yet and think its a good relic its not

Divination is a super afk skill

[smoky raft]

now here's what I'm curious of-

will effects that trigger on rune regeneration still trigger if you're using na item that provides infinite of that rune?

[potent quail]

i do think clue one will be much more improtant to get thoguh

we normally get so many league points from clues

[gentle rune]

Which means time consuming

[vocal plover]

i wonder how good the thermy staff is

[tacit oyster]

so if you want to you can crossbow for guaranteed max hit and then swap to shadow for +35% damage on next hit

[restive saddle]

Question is will that give 150 def or 1 def for one instance of regen. I am 99% sure it'll be the latter because the former seems ridiculously unreasonable

[smoky raft]

the humble general store:

[potent quail]

yeah
and ayak is a 1 tick weapon

[gentle rune]

Onyx doesnt high alch for much

[potent quail]

up to dragonstone

[restive saddle]

1 tick ayak to lower enemies def + magic def by 2 every tick

[smoky raft]

specifies "per rune regenerated"

[restive saddle]

PER

there's gotta be a cap that's insane

running around with 999 def

[ionic dust]

255 prob

[shadow badger]

Maybe timer doesn't reset and it drains by 1 every 18 secs

[shadow badger]

or this

[potent quail]

so yeah the 3 builds i see as op as of now:

magic: powered stave 1 tick attacks -> maybe combine witha element?
ranged: crossbow: slow af attack but guaranteed max hit for like 150 damage+ (and echo weapon is a crossbow!!!!)
melle: Blindbag: have 5 strong weapiosn in your inventory (including echo weapons) and jsut punch the enemy
melle with lots of range: big min and max hits and spec energy

[gentle rune]

Defence is boosted not stack

[potent quail]

Whenever you attack an enemy from at least 2 tiles away with any style, you restore 2% special attack energy
huh it is in the mellee tree

but that works with any style

[inner zenith]

when is the combat mastery board gonna be up, minus the puzzels

[potent quail]

soon

[shadow badger]

This shit threw my entire plan into the dumpster

[potent quail]

echo weapons matter a lot nowXD

[smoky raft]

that's on you for making a plan before this

[potent quail]

and we got final boss Echo Echo yama teased

[marble ocean]

blindbag is only with heavy weapons though, so punching won't work.

[potent quail]

so we will need to be op

[mellow iris]

Ham joint is 2k

2kg*

[potent quail]

you attack witha heavy weapon
i think you combine this one with the range one and stand 7 tiles away
and attack witha 5 tick halberd

that would be the build

[smoky raft]

I was planning to go melee this league but honestly mage seems tempting now

[tacit oyster]

next we need information how the skill tree points work

[shadow badger]

Same

I think I'll stick to blindbag

[potent quail]

blue ones are qol (more spec, healing,damage)

[shadow badger]

but crossbow buffs are tempting

[potent quail]

dont forget enchanting bolts

Diamond bolts (e) have a 10% chance (5% chance against another player) of triggering the Armour Piercing effect. This increases the maximum damage by 15%

[tacit oyster]

yeah ruby bolts to reduce max hit by 100

[shadow badger]

What's the fastest way to get them

[potent quail]

idk gem rocks?XD

[shadow badger]

Thanks for talking me out of going ranged

[broken haven]

how many end ones are we able to get?

like, can you complete the whole magic tree?

[shadow badger]

Don't know yet

[broken haven]

pickles

[dusk kraken]

do we know how many masteries we can unlock? would help with the build

[molten gust]

So since the nature’s reprisal from last leagues was also 7 range. The nox with the halberd pact should work plenty fine for Zuk.

[shadow badger]

No but hopefully there's a lot of points

[sleek gust]

I'm guessing 15-20 points

8-9 to get to a max tier

[shadow badger]

Seems too little honestly

There's so much

[potent quail]

crossbow build
always max hit
basicly always hit
insanely large max hit
big chance to hit TWICE or up to 5 timex with Ranged echoes

Blue ones for: more damage but be below 10 hp or more accuracy

and you can proc the op enchanted bolts

so potential to hit 5 times in 1 attack for 130 damage each (ignoring the double hit mechanic from the echo crossbow)

[shadow badger]

Jagex gonna rake the money in from the multi-accounters

[tacit oyster]

wait we can own slaves in leagues now?

[smoky raft]

the only thing we know for sure is that you get at least 8 after the starting node lmao

[shadow badger]

I guess Yama's paying them

[potent quail]

ok how do powered staves work

are the spells you cast with them elemental? or linked to blood/shadow/ice?

can you cast normal spells with them

[smoky raft]

we don't know that powered spells count for the final tier but there are available pacts to make powered spells regenerate any of the elemental runes

[shadow badger]

No don't think so

[potent quail]

damn i never owned a powered stave

i ndo think if we are limited on points it must be ranged + mellee

[shadow badger]

I hope there's enough points to double dip into 2 builds

[potent quail]

Whenever you max hit from at least 3 tiles away, your next hit from a different style deals +25% damage
this one is hella weird

it requires you to max hit
So basicly only usable with air mastery (100 prayer) and crossbow

[potent quail]

yeah for sure on how the tree is build

[toxic vortex]

do we?

[sleek gust]

it's 9 for each path and the relevant options. I'm guessing the final tier locks the others

[potent quail]

yeah thats probably it

so 1 final tier for each combat style

[sleek gust]

ranged just looks too obviously set up that way

[smoky raft]

has to be, or else some of the end pacts wouldn't be available

[potent quail]

my builds still works though

you drop the double accuracy roll on crossbow
and the % blindsack damage node

[sleek gust]

they probably don't want everyone picking 90% of the options so the points will be low

[toxic vortex]

Huge FAQ time on some absolutely banger relics.

Soul Harvest
Does not produce 10x soul shards with nature's accord,
Tithe farm does not generate soul shards,
(Don't shoot the messenger on these),

Butler's Bell
Works while you're offline, you just tell him what to do and we'll check how many minutes since you gave the order and run the calculations at collection time.,
Does not care about your levels,
You ONLY get the XP if you ask him to process the items, this is less actual product and you get less XP than if you did it yourself but it is 0-time.,
All of the droptables have weightings per "gather" at them. Here they are
Fish: 26% Salmon, 21% Tuna, 18% Lobster, 13.5% Swordfish, 9.5% Monkfish, 8% Shark, 2.5% Manta, 1.5% Angler
Flax: 100% Flax ,
Herbs: 21.7% Tarromin, 19.6% Harralander, 6.5% Rannar, 13% Irit, 13% Avantoe, 6.5% Kwuarm, 6.5% Cadantine, 6.5% Lantadyme, 6.7% Dwarf Weed,
Ore: 6% Clay, 50% Iron ore, 30% Mithril ore, 10% Adamantite ore, 4% Runite ore,
Wood: 20% Logs, 30% Oak Logs, 40% Teak Logs, 10% Mahogany Logs

[potent quail]

i say we will be able to reach the end of 2 paths

and some points for inbetween nodes

[sleek gust]

15 points does that

[toxic vortex]

@vapid silo #leagues-general message can you pin this

[potent quail]

you need 9 to reach 1 end

[sleek gust]

and 5 to reach one beside it

[potent quail]

i say 20 points if they are stingy
25 if they are generous

oh yeah

[split wave]

(e) x (t) + (p)³ - (d) x (g) has this been solved yet?

[potent quail]

that works

[potent quail]

yes

[sleek gust]

I can take like 90% of an entire tree with 20

[potent quail]

yeah

but the nodes dont synergize

[unique smelt]

Ranged seems super awful?

[coral basin]

Butlers bell or transmutation is gonna be an interesting choice for me

[split wave]

what is it?

[smoky raft]

mf did you read the crossbow pacts

[potent quail]

looks at crossbow max hit of 130
always hitting max hit
and up to 5 times per attack

yeah 700 damage in 1 hit is quite bad

[marble ocean]

Wonder if transmutation can make onyx's? Like how high does it go for stuff?

[coral basin]

Caps at dragonstone

[smoky raft]

here's a hint

[coral basin]

Everything else is uncapped iirc

[winged trench]

Conniving Clues it is

[marble ocean]

where is that? Even dragonstone is great

[unique smelt]

Yes, but compared to previous leagues, I don't think it adds up

[coral basin]

Husky said it in other server

[smoky raft]

how so

[toxic vortex]

it was answered by one of the jmods in the leagues disc

[potent quail]

you do lose the clue relic though

and clues are big points

[smoky raft]

just the lack of "guaranteed to hit" or

[unique smelt]

Yeah, no hit guaruntee, but also

[marble ocean]

get it back reloaded

[lethal raven]

I scanned the QR code in the video but can't get the website to work on my phone. (Stuck at work)

[smoky raft]

potential reloaded

[unique smelt]

Melee and mage seem like they're doing much cooler things

[toxic vortex]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/an-invitation?oldschool=1

that website?

[potent quail]

for me mage seems underwhelming lol

[lethal raven]

Yes.

[toxic vortex]

fair warning, its not very mobile friendly

[potent quail]

lots of utilty stuff not much combat boosts

[smoky raft]

I mean you basically get the entire melee schtick from L5 too. Echos out the wazoo

[unique smelt]

Very fair.

[potent quail]

lol

[unique smelt]

so maxes out at 15% chance?

[potent quail]

so 1000 defence lvl you are immortal?

[unique smelt]

From what I can see

[uncut raptor]

wait i thought we would get a whole new roster of echo bosses

so sad

[toxic vortex]

depends on what the defence level cap is

I would assume there is a level cap

[unique smelt]

No, I think taking everything gets you to 150 defence

[potent quail]

probably 150 ish

[smoky raft]

currently I'm thinking earth mage with a bit of thorns on the side

[toxic vortex]

current thought is 255

[smoky raft]

since you're already leaning into def for earth spells

[potent quail]

depends on how much earth runes you regen
may get higher

[coral basin]

They should make that have a hidden synergy with bulwark

[toxic vortex]

255 seems like a reasonable/logical level cap

[tacit oyster]

doesnt say you are immune to the damage, could be reflect like venge

[toxic vortex]

so that would be 25.5% chance to reflect

[unique smelt]

How much difference does 10 ranged strength make if you go to 199 HP with all the overheal

[wide veldt]

anyone figured out more?

[potent quail]

thorns is 3 base damage

how much is ring of recoil again?

[toxic vortex]

you need to answer the riddles to reveal the combat pact effects

[stoic marsh]

any theorycrafting channels I can snoop in?

I'm too lazy to come up w my own teehee

[tacit oyster]

10% +1, rounded down

[toxic vortex]

@lethal raven

Those are all of the answers

[smoky raft]

#1485589070972325888 but nobody uses it

[unique smelt]

So we're just hoping that the dual crossbows are slow already right?

[toxic vortex]

@wide veldt see above

[unique smelt]

If the dual crossies are 3t, that passive is horrible

If they're like 5/6 tick but they double hit

Absolutely incredible

[smoky raft]

another pact

[toxic vortex]

Combined with the double crossbow from kbd

[potent quail]

defence sounds fun
combine it with healing and you may be basicly immortal

at 150 defence thats 7.5 + 3.75 damage from thorns
and 25%+1 of damage taken from recoil

per hit you take

[toxic vortex]

so you are always hitting what, 100+?

[potent quail]

yeah

[toxic vortex]

plus ice barrage

[potent quail]

• multiple hit chance per attack

[toxic vortex]

oh god, what about ruby bolt specs?

[unique smelt]

So it looks like none of the main ranged perks benefit the blowpipe from desert Big Sad.

[potent quail]

ruby bolt would lower your max hit lol

you want diamond

[toxic vortex]

unless it counts as a thrown item

[potent quail]

Diamond bolts (e) have a 10% chance (5% chance against another player) of triggering the Armour Piercing effect. This increases the maximum damage by 15% (26% when under the effect of the Zaryte crossbow) for that hit and guarantees it will be a successful hit.

so yeah crossbow is:
Diamond bolt for guaranteed hit
increase ammo regen chance for multiple hits if you hit

deal 200 damage per hit

[smoky raft]

ok so the max theoretical overheal is +90%

[toxic vortex]

and if you hit, you are hitting max each time

holy fuck

[smoky raft]

kinda curious if that scales with this

[potent quail]

i assumed that max hit 100

[latent magnet]

I hope hespori bow has good sustain.

[potent quail]

should but thats a total of 38% more damage at 190% hp

[latent magnet]

Im gonna laugh if it ends up being better sustain than mage

[potent quail]

eh

[latent magnet]

2 tick short bow with auto heal

[wide veldt]

so is there a similar combo set to where range attacks never miss?

[latent magnet]

Possibly but we don't know

[potent quail]

but you wioll be basicly immortal at 180 hp

[toxic vortex]

did this get announced anywhere or is it still just speculation

[latent magnet]

Hespori's echo weapon is a short bow that restores HP and prayer

[potent quail]

never miss we dpont have
but crossbow other mastery has double accuracy rolls and we have lots of accuracy increases on the tree

[latent magnet]

It was posted on the blog

And on Twitter

[potent quail]

**so this league we cant get 1 weapon and do all content

We will need atleast 2 styles**

(and wear atleast some of the appropriate style armour)

[latent magnet]

I'm gonna do melee and range

[smoky raft]

part of the original release tweet

[wide veldt]

right, so unlike last league and gridmaster we cant just range kill sol or hunlif

[wide veldt]

RIP

[latent magnet]

Pretty much. Can't cheese everything with just range

[toxic vortex]

Which was a terrible mechanic btw

[potent quail]

the theme is though
if you can hit the enemy
you will deal insane damage with crossbow or blindsack

[wide veldt]

guess i'll go back to my orginal plan of picking kourend, desert and mory

[potent quail]

so hunlef can die before he can prayer switch lol

[latent magnet]

I'm picking zeah just for this but the new dark shards relic just made it even better

[potent quail]

wilderness echo weapon seems crazy right now

[toxic vortex]

Yeah

[wide veldt]

is there a place telling us the points avilable in each reagion i might just go with the ones with the most points avilable

[potent quail]

each region gives the wame amount of points

around the same amount

[toxic vortex]

we don't have that yet

[smoky raft]

I'm starting to think the main restriction for pacts is not going to be how many you unlock but rather which ones you unlock

"The ink has set. No further bargains may be written here."

[wide veldt]

right, i just want dragon trophie this year, missed first league took part in every single one since the second and still havent managed to get dragon

[smoky raft]

could be you only get one of each tier in each direction with this message?

[toxic vortex]

unclear

[unique smelt]

So get Zaryte crossbow, then go grab the melee daggers or other fast hitting melee weapons

[toxic vortex]

oh, big information for all you farmers

Transmutation ♻️

• Part 2
  • Seeds (Hops): Barley -> Hammerstone -> Asgarnian -> Jute -> Yanillian -> Krandorian -> Wildblood
  • Seeds (Bush): Redberry -> Cadavaberry -> Dwellberry -> Jangerberry -> White Berry -> Poison Ivy
  • Seeds (Tree): Acorn -> Willow -> Maple -> Yew -> Magic -> Redwood -> Spirit
  • Seeds (Fruit Tree): Apple -> Banana -> Orange -> Curry -> Pineapple -> Papaya -> Palm -> Dragonfruit
  • Seeds (Hardwood Tree): Teak -> Mahogany
  • Seeds (Cactus): Cactus -> Potato Cactus
  • Compost: Compost -> Super Compost -> Ultra Compost
  • Uncut Gems: Sapphire -> Emerald -> Ruby -> Diamond -> Opal -> Jade -> Red Topaz -> Dragonstone
  • Ashes: Ashes -> Volcanic Ash -> Fiendish Ashes -> Vile Ashes -> Malicious Ashes -> Abyssal Ashes -> Infernal Ashes
  • Runes: Rune Essence -> Pure Essence -> Air -> Water -> Earth -> Fire -> Chaos -> Nature -> Cosmic -> Law -> Death -> Astral -> Blood -> Soul -> Wrath
  • Hides: Cow -> Snake -> Green Dragon -> Blue Dragon -> Red Dragon -> Black Dragon

[smoky raft]

there are only 7 days and 20 hours left!!! we want clarity jamflex

[toxic vortex]

If you want ultracompost, you need to take transmutation

[unique smelt]

Spec with crossbow, then use daggers to regen spec

[potent quail]

ewh you dont need ultra witha farming relic

[molten gust]

Transmute is seeming better and better as I hear more.

[sleek gust]

I think if you take the one connected by a red line you lock all paths from it

[potent quail]

i dont like it

[toxic vortex]

no, but its the only way to get it

[potent quail]

it solves farming and prayer

[toxic vortex]

There is no volcanic ash without fossil island

[potent quail]

arent compost bins sped up?

[molten gust]

Along with magic since it gives exp for it.

[potent quail]

ohhhh

[shadow badger]

Transmute seems to be the best pick

[potent quail]

but clues is so many points

[smoky raft]

then what about these three

[potent quail]

must take if you sue the style

[sleek gust]

past content has allowed you to take multiple styles

[silent depot]

Do we know how the accuracy from pacts stack with something like crystal armor?

[sleek gust]

and there's an option for combat switching

[potent quail]

no

[toxic vortex]

would seem like it would but that specific scenario hasn't been asked/answered as far as I know

[smoky raft]

looking more into it, idk. This would lock out air and earth spells from the 2t elemental pact and I imagine that one is pretty crucial

[weary drift]

Wait how do I see this stuff? Do we have a list of all the answers?? Because this looks insane and super focused, like you could make a max 2 combat and maybe 3 combat character

[potent quail]

the 3 builds i think will be broken this league:
**Blindsack long range: **7 tile max range attack with halberd, have 5 op heavy weapons in inventory and deal insane damage numbers from range (if only 1 mastery drop the damage one) -> lots of hits and trigger weapon effects/spam specs
Crossbow max hit: max hit over 100, use diamond bolts e and the new echo weapon, hit up to 5 times, every hit is a max hit -> JACKPOT: 600 damage in 1 hit
mage: powered staff 1 tick. thats it, the elements dont matter. have fun with 1 tick ayak

[shadow badger]

For blindsack, is mory a must-have?

[potent quail]

why?

[smoky raft]

I feel like 1t trident is gonna be stronger than 1t ayak lol

[wide veldt]

can i ask your opinion everyone. from what's been released I've been thinking of.

Tier 1: Abundance
Tier 2: Hotfoot
Tier 3: Evil eye
Tier 4: Conniving Clues
Tier 5: Nature's Accord/Soul Harvest (With Reloaded)
Tier 6: Culling Spree
Tier 7: Reloaded
Tier 8 Flask of Fervour

What do you guys think of that tier list?

[toxic vortex]

@clever trout look at my above message

[shadow badger]

For nox hally

[toxic vortex]

wait, wrong stuff

[potent quail]

maybe dont know powered staves

[tacit oyster]

hunliff and akkha you can since side nodes give up to 100% prayer penetration

[toxic vortex]

Huge FAQ time on some absolutely banger relics.

Soul Harvest 👻 🧑‍🌾

• Does not produce 10x soul shards with nature's accord
• Tithe farm does not generate soul shards
• (Don't shoot the messenger on these)
• Soul Harvest gives you one soul shard per blessed bone shard that bone would give
• For ashes it's approximating to the appropriate bone based on XP, so Fiendish ashes are the same as bones, Vile Ashes are the same as Big Bones, Malicious Ashes are the same as Dragon bones, Abyssal Ashes are the same as Hydra Bones and Infernal Ashes are the same as Superior Dragon Bones

Butler's Bell 🔔

• Works while you're offline, you just tell him what to do and we'll check how many minutes since you gave the order and run the calculations at collection time.
• Does not care about your levels
• You ONLY get the XP if you ask him to process the items, this is less actual product and you get less XP than if you did it yourself but it is 0-time.
• Processing planks gives fletching XP not construction XP
• You do get Herblore XP for processing unfinished potions
• All of the droptables have weightings per "gather" at them. Here they are
  • Fish: 26% Salmon, 21% Tuna, 18% Lobster, 13.5% Swordfish, 9.5% Monkfish, 8% Shark, 2.5% Manta, 1.5% Angler
  • Flax: 100% Flax 🤓
  • Herbs: 21.7% Tarromin, 19.6% Harralander, 6.5% Rannar, 13% Irit, 13% Avantoe, 6.5% Kwuarm, 6.5% Cadantine, 6.5% Lantadyme, 6.7% Dwarf Weed
  • Ore: 6% Clay, 50% Iron ore, 30% Mithril ore, 10% Adamantite ore, 4% Runite ore
  • Wood: 20% Logs, 30% Oak Logs, 40% Teak Logs, 10% Mahogany Logs

[potent quail]

maybe? you need 1 halberd and 5 heavy weapons

[toxic vortex]

@clever trout

[unique smelt]

Crossbow max hit is not that insane, the attack speed is so slow. With Zaryte, it's a 1.2*DPS increase

[smoky raft]

trident is 4t, ayak is 3t

both will be reduced to 1t by the speed pact

[unique smelt]

With Heavy Ballista, it's a 1.4x increase

[shadow badger]

I was thinking of going Kourend, Asgarnia, Tiranwnn

[tacit oyster]

transmutation seems like the strongest t4 relic, just depends on clue tasks

[smoky raft]

at this point I feel like you're intentionally doing the math wrong lmao

[shadow badger]

I think best halberd for me is dragon

[unique smelt]

Should have clarified, +2 ticks but double speed is 20% boost on 5t cbows, 40% boost on 6t ballista no?

Max hitting doubles your DPS, it's crushing blow

[weary drift]

That seems really strong for melee and mage since mage gear and the crystal with blessing, could even get blowpipe for range and good training options

[unique smelt]

Is that just wrong?

[weary drift]

Crystal on prif??

[unique smelt]

5 tick to 7 tick is a 40% DPS reduction, 6 ticks to 8 is 33%

@smoky raft Please educate me if I'm being an idiot

[toxic vortex]

Yeah you can get crystal hally

[weary drift]

Does anyone have a list of all the answers for the thing you can enter? Kinda wanna look at them.

[toxic vortex]

But also, you can get scythe from cox

[smoky raft]

well, for one, you're completely ignoring the +70% boost from the attack speed pact

[shadow badger]

Crystal needs Kandarin for diary

[molten gust]

Thats missing a few of them.

[shadow badger]

This is outdated

[smoky raft]

for two, I can't actually type two, it's lunch time and I wish you all luck

[sleek gust]

if you don't have always hit for crossbow you're gonna have a rough time if you miss

[toxic vortex]

oh oops

grabbed the wrong one

[weary drift]

Well it would work for sunlight cb too so you have a quick option too lol

[warped turtle]

My brain hurts looking at that mastery tree

[sleek gust]

the faster the crossbow the worse it is though

[vocal plover]

the mage sounds pretty interesting, wonder how you'd slap with a twinflame staff

[sleek gust]

4-6 tick is -50% +70%

[tacit oyster]

ballista and atlatl are useless items in this league, neither of them is buffed by any demonic pact

[unique smelt]

Ballista is probably a crossbow?

Really upset they didn't let Atlatl be affected by things

We're hoping that Ballista is Cbow, Blowpipe is thrown

[tacit oyster]

i guess ballista is technically 2 handed crossbow so could work

[ripe turtle]

I'm split in whether Butler's bell is good or not

[sleek gust]

The image on the crossbow relic is a Balista

[unique smelt]

If they really leave an Echo weapon not be affected by pacts

That's moronic

[ripe turtle]

I don't think soul harvester is good

[low cloak]

Wait, transmutation is busted

[tacit oyster]

best for people who want minimal play time points. i would say transmutation is best for active players unless clues gives way too much points

[wide veldt]

guess its good while u sleep, u dont need endless harvest or barbarian gathering at the start cause the butler will just get recorces for u

[unique smelt]

@sleek gust Yeah. so +2 tick is -40% damage, then +70% then +100% from crushing blow (always max hit) comes out to basically double damage

From the cbow tree

[ripe turtle]

Yeh

Plus free XP

[wide veldt]

and unsure if it works side by side but if u have soul harvest and the butler collects the soul fragments for prayer xp

[ripe turtle]

I wonder if it's just XP for processing or XP for harvesting AND processing?

[toxic vortex]

points for clues are supposed to be slightly reduced

[sleek gust]

I feel like I'd rather use a heavy ballista

[toxic vortex]

but its probably still a lot

[ripe turtle]

Also do you need to give him seeds for picking herbs will be another big question

If not, infinite potions for free basically

[toxic vortex]

i'd think he can just go get them

[tacit oyster]

its only relic so far that is big help to runecrafting. Transmutation can already convert any bone to superior dragon bone, so prayer part is useless if you took transmutation

[simple oak]

This league is a bit tedious

[molten gust]

says a uim

[potent quail]

dont have the brain for that yetXD
i want that wilderness echo weapon so thats a lock for me already
besides that i have no idea

[wide veldt]

Can someone explain to me what transmutation actually does? I'm not fully sure what it means

[shadow badger]

I swapped wildy to asg since kourend has the shortbow already

[ripe turtle]

Transmutation is just busted yeh, I guess having the soul shards be stackable is nice but I just can't see it being worth taking just because of RC

[kind viper]

Im confused about the final Earth pact

[tacit oyster]

upgrade materials to higher tier version or down grades depending on which spell you used. Sapphire -> dragonstone after multiple processes, bones -> superior dragon bone, guam -> torstol, copper -> runite and so on

[kind viper]

Does that mean if you have 99 def, you just do a flat 100 dmg extra?

[ripe turtle]

Iron ore -> mithril -> Adamant -> Rune ore

[kind viper]

"Earth spells deal additional flat damage based on your current Defence level (+1 damage per # Defence levels)"

[ripe turtle]

Or rune ore -> Adamant -> Mithril -> Iron

[wide veldt]

ahh okay so its not just about gear its resources?

[ripe turtle]

Yeh

[wide veldt]

wait does it work on gear or only resources?

[upper jackal]

what even is leages and why are there 2x the negative reactions then the good ones on the announcment 💀

[ripe turtle]

Only resources

[kind viper]

Resources

[tacit oyster]

only resources

[simple oak]

New series bronze to torva

[ripe turtle]

You can also presumably turn stuff like bones from normal bones into stuff like Vorkath bones

But I wonder how many permutations it will take

[wide veldt]

then butler is better for me. cause if u get kourend and asg most recourses are avilable

[tacit oyster]

transmutation feels way too broken... like i dont want any of the t5 relics if i take it

[simple oak]

They should have made it cost 10x more nats for every tier upgrade seems op

[sleek gust]

imagine killing iron dragons or something and making rune darts

[tacit oyster]

item already gives infinite nature runes when equipped

[toxic vortex]

https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree - better website for the pacts

[simple oak]

Didn't see yea its broken af

[sleek gust]

transmutation has ways to train a lot of skills easily

[ripe turtle]

Ok waitwaitwait

[sleek gust]

you can buy bronze bars

[ripe turtle]

Before we all say transmutation is crazy busted

[unique smelt]

Hell YEs

[ripe turtle]

Consider the fact that to turn one bone into a superior dragon bone

[wide veldt]

if u get soul harvest you could stack them up from bursting monsters if you use reload and gets natures accord you can get more shards

[ripe turtle]

You could theoretically have to alch it 21 times

Depending on how they do the upgrades

That is a LOT of alching for ten resources each time

[sleek gust]

it does 10 at a time and recasts it

[toxic vortex]

transmute a bunch of dstones

make dstone bolts

enchant

alch

[ripe turtle]

I want to believe it will be good but how much time are you gonna spend alching vs actually getting the stuff you need

[sleek gust]

I'm gonna buy bronze bars from karamja and max my smithing

[toxic vortex]

i suppose you could just stop at the dstones and just alch them

[toxic vortex]

does not work on bars

sorry

[sleek gust]

source

[toxic vortex]

mod husky

leagues disc

[sleek gust]

rip

[toxic vortex]

"bars are not included. this is intentional"

[shadow badger]

There's a store on Shilo Village that buys for high alch price if you have karamja gloves 1

[sleek gust]

then I turn my copper from endless harvest to RUNE

[ripe turtle]

Also what is considered an "upgrade"?

Is it what takes more XP to process, or to mine?

[wide veldt]

I still think making a butler mine, chop wood and such for you is better.

[ripe turtle]

Like with ore

[shadow badger]

Get a stack and do raids while transmuting

[sleek gust]

^

[ripe turtle]

A lot of "upgrades" for XP cost to mine aren't actually processable

[tacit oyster]

lvl requirement on basically everything

[ripe turtle]

Same thing

[wide veldt]

I am so interested to know the second relic from tier 7

[ripe turtle]

Well, as in same thing for the issues it could cause

[wide veldt]

before deciding on reloaded

[shadow badger]

Has to busted or it's a bust

Right now T5 seems to be the reloaded tier

[sleek gust]

transmutation does let you speedrun tasks like "Plant a banana tree"

without waiting for your butler to rng it

[wide veldt]

wont lie hoping for bust cause i dont want my chocices to be harder lmao

[ripe turtle]

Oh God imagine how many times you'd have to transmute seeds to get a specific variety

[kind viper]

Okay, is Regicide auto completed from the start? Otherwise it seems sad that halberds are locked behind tyranwynn

[sleek gust]

he can't even get seeds

[shadow badger]

Same

Imagine how crazy T7 will be

[tacit oyster]

wait transmute is even more broken, it also solves your runecrafting

[kind viper]

Also, crossbows seem busted

[toxic vortex]

butler bell is basically a mini pocket kingdom

[ripe turtle]

How do

[shadow badger]

Transmutation ♻️

• Part 2
  • Seeds (Hops): Barley -> Hammerstone -> Asgarnian -> Jute -> Yanillian -> Krandorian -> Wildblood
  • Seeds (Bush): Redberry -> Cadavaberry -> Dwellberry -> Jangerberry -> White Berry -> Poison Ivy
  • Seeds (Tree): Acorn -> Willow -> Maple -> Yew -> Magic -> Redwood -> Spirit
  • Seeds (Fruit Tree): Apple -> Banana -> Orange -> Curry -> Pineapple -> Papaya -> Palm -> Dragonfruit
  • Seeds (Hardwood Tree): Teak -> Mahogany
  • Seeds (Cactus): Cactus -> Potato Cactus
  • Compost: Compost -> Super Compost -> Ultra Compost
  • Uncut Gems: Sapphire -> Emerald -> Ruby -> Diamond -> Opal -> Jade -> Red Topaz -> Dragonstone
  • Ashes: Ashes -> Volcanic Ash -> Fiendish Ashes -> Vile Ashes -> Malicious Ashes -> Abyssal Ashes -> Infernal Ashes
  • Runes: Rune Essence -> Pure Essence -> Air -> Water -> Earth -> Fire -> Chaos -> Nature -> Cosmic -> Law -> Death -> Astral -> Blood -> Soul -> Wrath
  • Hides: Cow -> Snake -> Green Dragon -> Blue Dragon -> Red Dragon -> Black Dragon

[tacit oyster]

There's some cool stuff here like air runes turning into noted pure essence

[shadow badger]

It's noted so how will we use it for RC

[tacit oyster]

dont need to farm pure essence from enemies

[ripe turtle]

Where is this from

[sleek gust]

free spirit trees is huge considering there's ALWAYS like 5 tasks for them

[shadow badger]

Someone posted here

[tacit oyster]

#1163395763146068008 message

[simple oak]

It says both spells cost 1 nature rune, they should make it be 10x nats/ tier up or down starting with 1

Cause im seeing another runners relic but im also tired so maybe not that op

[shadow badger]

Transmute item gives inf nats

[toxic vortex]

yeah

[simple oak]

The ledger?

[shadow badger]

Wish you could choose what item it will upgrade/downgrade to

[ripe turtle]

OK

[shadow badger]

So iron straight to rune

[ripe turtle]

So much better than I was thinking it could be

[wide veldt]

when it says "share a 10 xp(before league xp multiplier)" does that mean i'd only get 10 xp in mining then with say a 8x multiplier it becomes 80?

[shadow badger]

Yeah

[ripe turtle]

No 21 upgrades for bones, just 12

[toxic vortex]

I believe that is correct

[potent quail]

btw if you want to farm echo bosses, you will probably be required to take some prayer penetration

[shadow badger]

10 xp per item * 10 items * XP mult

[ripe turtle]

I still think it's gonna be a lot of time alching, yeah it's automatic but I think it's gonna be kinda problematic eventually with how many you'll need

Not that it's a bad item tho

[shadow badger]

So 1600 xp per cast at final mult

[ripe turtle]

I'm prob taking it

[potent quail]

Butler's Bell 🔔
Works while you're offline, you just tell him what to do and we'll check how many minutes since you gave the order and run the calculations at collection time.

omg

[fierce heron]

do we know how many things we can take with the skill tree? like if i go hally and blindbag could I also get the chance to roll max acuracy based on distance from target?

[toxic vortex]

we don't know yet

[wide veldt]

cant wait to go to sleep and wake up to loads of herbs and such lol

[inner zenith]

is the demonic pact chart out yet?

or we sitll gotta solve

[toxic vortex]

waffles is still using IE

[fierce heron]

we have all the awnsers

[potent quail]

There's some cool stuff here like air runes turning into noted pure essence
so wait you go to a altar bring 100000 air runes
and can jsut make them all into pure essence -> your rune -> RC exp

thats neat

[toxic vortex]

https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree

chat rank stonks

[inner zenith]

ty sir

[tacit oyster]

there is interactive skill tree version but cannot link here, leagues discord pins has it

[ripe turtle]

Melee ontop..

[toxic vortex]

you just don't have the chat rank to post non-whitelisted domains

which I believe is at rune

[tacit oyster]

yeah its rune

[potent quail]

so transmutation solves:
prayer exp (upgrade bones to superior)
RC exp (noted pure essence)
Crafting exp (black dhide)
seeds for farming
get all logs and ores in basicly 0 time

thats a solid list

[sinful swallow]

any idea how many skill points we getting

[wide veldt]

Yeah I think Kourend, Desert and asg are gonna be my picks.

Desert for ancients (hoping its auto completed) so I can burst monsters in kourend for the soul harvest relic to collect fast soul shards or prayer and runecrafting

[potent quail]

we dont know
theory is 20 or 25

[proven laurel]

Does this have any foundation?

[potent quail]

only a theory
to reach 2 masterys from base you need 9 points each so 18 total
2 flex points to get the sidegrades

so 20 is reasonable
25 if they are generous and allow us to take additionally some of the inbetween nodes

[potent quail]

i mean these with inbetween nodes

[shadow badger]

How many nodes are there in total?

[potent quail]

i very much doubt anything above 25

[toxic vortex]

that seems reasonable

[potent quail]

would allow you to get mastery in all 3 styles way to easy

[sour pawn]

Does anyone know if we use transmutation with the toggle to bank noted products we get them unnoted in the inventory?

[unique smelt]

@fallow dew If you ever get back from lunch, my final number, disrespecting accuracy, is 3.34x damage boost. 40% boost from echoes if you always regenerate, 1.17 from prayer and small nodes, then 2x from max hitting, -40% from decreased speed and +70% from the main crossbow perk.

[shadow badger]

inb4 50 pts

[simple oak]

Do we know how many points we get?

[toxic vortex]

no

[unique smelt]

My guess is gonna be 40 points to encourage bridding.

[simple oak]

Give us this board with 25 points would be horrible fomo

[potent quail]

you can already bridge with 25

[unique smelt]

Respec is allowed.

[simple oak]

Unless we can respec which would be cool

[shadow badger]

Yeah I hope they give us more than that

[unique smelt]

And confirmed.

[toxic vortex]

well, we don't exactly know how that will work

they said its covered or something like that

[potent quail]

how was combat mastery in other leagues? where you able to get 2 full lines?

[vocal plover]

respec confirmed? hell yeah

[toxic vortex]

but they didn't use the word respec necessarily

[vocal plover]

ow

un hell yeah

[shadow badger]

No

[unique smelt]

I mean I think you’ll be able to grab the barebones of all three styles, or hit one more heavily.

[proven laurel]

25 with respec seems reasonable ig. But I'd still wager closer to 40

[wide veldt]

defo going for crossbow build early double accuracy and and always max hit with 70% increased dmg you can do quite well at the start with the moonlight hunters crossbow

[simple oak]

I did tier 6 range on one acc and 2 t5 on other, it felt good to comprise a little

[toxic vortex]

each style had 6 nodes. you had 10 points total

[simple oak]

This is just try everything

[potent quail]

40 would be getting all 3 mastery lines in past leagues

[toxic vortex]

most you could do was 6/4

[unique smelt]

Sunlight hunter cbow is HORRIBLE with the 70% -2

[potent quail]

if they follow that it may be less then 18

but that would make the inbetween nodes untakable

[shadow badger]

Past leagues only had 6 * 3 nodes

[toxic vortex]

yeah thats the wild card

[potent quail]

and you could reach mastery only in 1

[wide veldt]

be good early game though

until u get asg unlocked

[shadow badger]

Yeah 40 is overkill for that lol

[unique smelt]

Keep in mind we are much less powerful in individual styles this league.

[potent quail]

oh maybe thats it

you can take only 1 Mastery for the ENTIRE TREE

but we get more overall points

i stay on this
25 points
1 Mastery on the entire tree

[unique smelt]

That seems bizarre?

[wide veldt]

Relic 7 or 8 get double combat tree points (including already spent)

[shadow badger]

I would not mind if it locked you to 1 combat style so less choices to try and figure out

[potent quail]

fits with past leagues

[proven laurel]

Assuming masteries are equal to past leagues - but they're not.

"60 accuracy on thrown weapons" doesn't really correlate

[toxic vortex]

big doubt

[unique smelt]

Like why would you ever take certain masteries. Thrown items mastery 2 lets you throw one extra knife at a different target?

[potent quail]

yeah that one sucks XD
hit 2 enemxys with thrown weapons is nice though

[wide veldt]

would defo change how people will think about flask of fervour and reloaded

[potent quail]

my earlier theory was
1 Mastery** PER COMBAT STYLE**

[shadow badger]

I'm gonna guess there's no mastery limits

If you have points, you can get them

[proven laurel]

Yeah but point being like 3 or so of these masteries equate to 1 in past leagues. They'd have placed them such that powerful ones are spread apart, costing more points.

I doubt it's any bit as restricting as you think

[potent quail]

whats your guess then?

[low cloak]

How do we know each node is 1 point each?

It's possible that stronger effects cost more points

[proven laurel]

Idk like 40 lmao, not looked in depth enough to make theories stronger than a semi blind guess

[potent quail]

with that i can get both of my op builds
and 1tick powered staves

would be dope

[low cloak]

Also what's the theory on how we're getting points?

[unique smelt]

If you took the whole ranged tree, it would still be about 1/3 of last league. Without a big speed boost, I’m not sure melee gets even close to some of its power last league either.

[potent quail]

you think there will be limits on taking masterys?

[unique smelt]

Mage still has 2 tick shadow right?

[naive lodge]

hey gang, just joined, whats the easiest way to see the full tree or what am i inputting for codes 💪🏾 TIA

[shadow badger]

Fr tho I think you might be able to pick at least 4 masteries total

[potent quail]

looks at crossbow hitting a 100+ everytime it hits

[simple oak]

They went full ARPG and im digging it

[potent quail]

yes and 1 tick eye of ayak

[unique smelt]

Yeah? Every 7 ticks.

[proven laurel]

Nah.

Assuming POE akin, where it's just however far you can go with points available

[simple oak]

Evolution of leagues inc

[potent quail]

wait a few hours.
we should get a post soon

[potent quail]

you know in comparrison to 1tick powered staves that seems mehXD

[unique smelt]

Someone link him the .io site ?

[toxic vortex]

https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree

[shadow badger]

It's in the pinned messages

[potent quail]

well you could hit multiple tiomes with the crossbow
up to 5 extra hits
but thats probably big meme

but in theory thats 600 damage

[fierce heron]

i would think you have quite a few points becasue there are a few skills in here specificly for multistyle

[naive lodge]

I didn't see it there, but thank you DrEggMan!!!!

[simple oak]

I want to be an earth battle mage in full justi and dfs and nightmare staff cause why not

[unique smelt]

Just consider your chance to fire an echo as a normal crit.

[potent quail]

BEHOLD my crossbow build vs my mage build

1 of these may tkae way less skillpointsXD

[potent quail]

i know big meme but needed to throw that in

[unique smelt]

So if you max out your regen chance somehow, that’s only 40% damage bonus 😦

[potent quail]

also crossbow nodes do synergize super well with the echo crossbow from wildy

but yeah 1 tick powered staves seem BUSTED for 6 skillpoints

[unique smelt]

That means doing wildy though, and I just finished my voidwaker grind on my GIM.

[fierce heron]

for the crossbow what would yall consider the best one to use? balista for the meme, 8 tick on rapid seems awful but also 10 million damage per hit,

[shadow badger]

Do the echo crossbows fire as separate weapons?

[toxic vortex]

the one from KBD most likely

[shadow badger]

So double the damage

[potent quail]

other question though

we have tons of prayer penetraton, do you guys think these will be mandatory for echo bosses?

[unique smelt]

Shadow is going to be as excellent as usual.

Assume not.

[shadow badger]

Mandatory would suck

[unique smelt]

It’ll just let you brute force your chosen style.

[potent quail]

does require you to move inbetween the trees though

[fierce heron]

i would immagine if they do have prayers its only 50%

[toxic vortex]

probably not mandatory, but will help

[potent quail]

we also have lots of health regen hidden in the trees
mage with water spells, melle weapon based on distance

seems kinda mandatory to take though unless you have infinite food somehow

[alpine terrace]

Wasnt prayer pen just a way to forcekill something with 1 style?

[unique smelt]

40% chance to roll max accuracy with crossbows might actually be insane though.

[shadow badger]

Well fishing is basically free

[potent quail]

i am tempted to take the new alchemize node over butler or clue

So i have infinite of the best food
and dont need to take the healing nodes

[shadow badger]

Yeah transmute seems to be the best choice

[potent quail]

Crossbows attacks roll accuracy twice
THE closest we get to 100% accuracy

[unique smelt]

If your max accuracy roll is doubled from crossbow m2, and you have 40%chance to max acc, against a lot of bosses that’s almost a flat 40% chance to hit.

That’s actually reallllly good.

[simple oak]

Blindbag sounds hilarious

[fierce heron]

or with the noxious halberd going melee it effects any style

[potent quail]

You have a 5% chance per attack in any style to roll max accuracy, this is increased by 5% for each tile distance between you and your target
and lots of different accuaracy increase nodes everywhere

[smoky raft]

alright back from tacos and voting

what did I miss

[unique smelt]

Good eyes!

[potent quail]

BOY

when did you leave?

[smoky raft]

about 45 min ago

on the hour

[potent quail]

we solved the entire tree

[smoky raft]

yeah I got that part

[shadow badger]

We cured cancer

[potent quail]

powered staves seem busted
rest people are unsure about damage wise

utility wise healing and spec regen looks dope

[fierce heron]

powered staves seem goated and they seem like something you could sidegrade into from another tree becuase its early on and the later mage effects only elementals

[potent quail]

onyl 6 skillpoints needed

[naive lodge]

melee mage hybrid build might be making a come back for me

[potent quail]

you probably want the 4 side nodes though to get the runes back per attack

[simple oak]

Battlemage is the way

[fierce heron]

now the question is the morytania echo item gonna be a two handed 4 tick or is it going to be a one handed

[naive lodge]

looks one handed but idk

[potent quail]

dont we havea picture with all weapos?

[shadow badger]

Think it's 1-handed

[simple oak]

Earthen tanky mage and blindbag burst melee

[potent quail]

i really dont see the erth mage build
i think tis 1 flat damage per 5 defence

[fierce heron]

because it lowering the max hit on every weapon outside of the shadow is kinda disapointing

[smoky raft]

that's still an easy +20

and flat damage is very good

[potent quail]

that is solid

[smoky raft]

increases both min and max hits

[potent quail]

ohhh

[fierce heron]

last year was tank range this year tank mage

[potent quail]

ok thats really nice then

and can be combined with thorns

[smoky raft]

flat damage is just straight up "roll your hit and then add this number"

[potent quail]

thats a lot of consistent damage

[fierce heron]

and also halberds having shortbow range at full mastery

[smoky raft]

... wait. Flat damage also applies per hit

twinflame staff ftw?

[potent quail]

also it all depends on what that # number is

[inner zenith]

twinflame aint in the game

[shadow badger]

Yes it is?

[inner zenith]

isnt it misthalian?

[cosmic trout]

How do people have so much unlocked?

[shadow badger]

It's in the Asgarnian ice dungeon

[potent quail]

also shadow barrage counts as a earth spell
so aoe attack

[cosmic trout]

Do you just have to answer all the questions?

[fierce heron]

i dont associtate it with misthalian but it might be

[inner zenith]

ohhh

asgnarina my b

[potent quail]

yes
i solved none of them and jsut copied answersXD the puzzles get brutal

shadow barrage does reduce stats by a ton

[smoky raft]

eh

I mean it can only happen once and it's not guaranteed to happen

honestly smoke and shadow both need a pretty significant overhaul to make their (base game) versions up to the ice + blood par

[blissful fjord]

Is there a revealed pacts tree yet??

[smoky raft]

rah

[blissful fjord]

I want to read them

[smoky raft]

though honestly it doesn't mean that much until we know how they are unlocked

[fierce heron]

pinned messages has them

[potent quail]

mods will probably release a post with the full tree

soon

[potent quail]

i do think the reduced tick speed will completly decide on how good mage is

if thats a 3 tick reduction it will be crazy

[smoky raft]

here's the gist of it though

• crossbows attack slower but have a much higher max hit, much better accuracy, and will ALWAYS max hit

• bows have scaling min+max hits with each hit you deal without being hit off prayer

• thrown weapons scale with melee strength and bounce to additional targets

• all ranged weapons have access to ranged echoes, which are effectively free extra hits

• having a shield equipped gives a bunch of recoil damage effects, even if the received attack did no damage

• melee weapons below 1kg attack faster and roll an extra hit

• melee range is drastically increased and has effects scaling off of distance from the target; at max, halberds have a range of 7 tiles and a min hit of 21

• attacking with a heavy melee weapon has a chance to deal extra free hits from up to 5 other heavy melee weapons in your bag

• magic provides a variety of boosts whenever you regenerate specific runes (or powered staff charges, with the right pacts)

• powered staves are 3t faster than usual (1t for most of them) but have a lower max hit

• fire/blood spells apply burn and bounce between targets

• earth/shadow spells deal extra flat damage based on your def level

• water/ice spells heal for 60% of damage dealt

• air/smoke spells have a +1% chance to force a max hit per prayer bonus, doubled against targets weak to air

[potent quail]

maybe i am not seein it but bow and thrown weapons seem super ass

[grim venture]

Safe to assume ballista counts as a crossbow yeah?

[fierce heron]

thrown weapons getting strength max hits is fairly solid

[potent quail]

you also forgot:
everyone regenerates resources used while attacking as the start node

[smoky raft]

thrown scaling with melee and also bouncing seem like they'd make for a good choice to hybrid with melee

... do chinchompas count as thrown weapons?

[toxic vortex]

Would assume so

but unclear

[potent quail]

but when you hybrid you do take the longrange mellee already

so you only take them for faster attack speed

[fierce heron]

and also crossbows attack way harder but slow attack speed even with higher accuracy needs to do a lot of damage to be competative because it takes average TTK down a lot by misses

[potent quail]

Chinchompas are one-handed, multi-target, stackable Ranged weapons requiring level 45 Ranged to wield.

[toxic vortex]

with all the buffs to max hit on crossbows, it is indeed a lot of damage

especially with the double crossbow from KBD

[potent quail]

you do need to take a few side nodes to increase accuracy but range tree has these
if we can take both crossbow masterys, crossbows will have highest accuracy of all options

[fierce heron]

balista will be an 8 tick weapon which is nearly a 5 second attack speed without a never miss option is going to feel awful in a lot of content

but funny damage number is funny

[potent quail]

and on the other side
for 6 skillpoints you get 1 tick eye of ayak

[potent quail]

also chance to hit multiple times per shot

so if your max hit is 100

when you hit you can hit up to 100 6 times

hypothetical 600 damage in 1 shot

• echo weapon bonuses

[shadow badger]

Aren't echos half damage

[potent quail]

i dont know what the echo does

[fierce heron]

half chance of triggering them

[tacit oyster]

echo crossbow revealed on 10th, i wonder if the ice barrage shot counts as mage hit

[shadow badger]

Ranged echo: An additional ranged attack which rolls with your ranged accuracy against the targets ranged defence. Echo attacks cannot trigger additional echo attacks

[potent quail]

oh i missed this:

While a thrown weapon is equipped, Ranged echoes have a 20% chance to max hit

[potent quail]

Ranged echoes can now trigger additional Ranged echoes at half your chance to trigger them (up to 4 times)

[toxic vortex]

^

[fierce heron]

a later one makes them able to chain echos up to 4 times but the chances of that happening is LOW going crossbow

[potent quail]

someone needs to math the odds out for that

[shadow badger]

Doesn't say anything abt damage so it could be same damage or their own damage rolls

[potent quail]

but its reasonable to get 1 trigger

its 15% base chance
and 10% on regenerating ammo if you take the nodes

[fierce heron]

i think its individual damage rolls

[toxic vortex]

the real question is, for the double crossbow at least, are the two hits calc'd separately for echo

[shadow badger]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking with the wording

[toxic vortex]

I would think so

[tacit oyster]

maybe atlatl counts as crossbow since both bow and throwing weapons say specifically they dont apply to atlatl

[potent quail]

i am reading trough thrown weapons and it does sound really nice, they seem to be focused on raging echo stacks:

While a thrown weapon is equipped, Ranged echoes have a 20% chance to max hit
While a thrown weapon is equipped, ranged strength is also increased by your 80% of your melee strength
as they have fast attack speed

[toxic vortex]

wiki description says its a bow

[potent quail]

so you take thrown weapons and all the ammo regeneration you can

and hope you trigger 1-5 ranged echoes on your throw that always max hit

[smoky raft]

[tacit oyster]

really depends if drygore blowpipe counts as thrown weapon

[sinful swallow]

wouldnt this give you like 190 min hit earth spells

why cant i send immages

[potent quail]

the # implies it takes multiple defence lvls for 1 flat damage

f.e. 1 flat damage per 5 defence

[sinful swallow]

ah

[potent quail]

still amazing though

[sinful swallow]

heavy ballista is considerd a crossbow right

[potent quail]

at 100 defence thats 20 falt damage

[tacit oyster]

2-handed crossbow according to wiki

[sinful swallow]

sounds good to me thats gonna go hard

[fierce heron]

going max into crossbow you get 95% ammo regen, with a 50% of that to be 1 ranged echo with each echo after that being 25% which means you have about a 12 percent chance to get 2 echo hits and each successive gets MUCH lower

[sinful swallow]

yea but heavy B should be max hitting over 100 dmg

[weary drift]

How does mage seem this leagues?? Idk what to make of all the rune regen stuff

[fierce heron]

i think we will have to play with it to see because its so out there compared to max hit increase or bluetooth melee

[toxic vortex]

I think theres still some unknown around some of the effects with earth runes in particular

[potent quail]

someone needs to math it out
but yeah ranged echo seems better with fast eapons

[shadow badger]

What are the melee builds other than blindsack and thorns?

[gaunt thorn]

I hope echo hunleff drops melee/mage varientd :v

[weary drift]

Blue tooth hally

[potent quail]

anyways bows
seem bad?

1 tick faster
ranged echo never misses (hey found the never miss)
15% increased max and min hit

[fierce heron]

ranged halberd with a partial spec into ranged for increased accuracy

[weary drift]

Yeah range with melee one handed spec seems okay

[sinful swallow]

there is work for daggers

melee weapons under 1kg always hit twice

[fierce heron]

minimum hit is really good esp with higher attack speed and its much lower investment than crossbow at least at first glance

[sinful swallow]

throw that in with the spec energy generation and you could do somthing funky with specs

[weary drift]

Sunlight hunter seems strong this league

[potent quail]

yeah 2 tick magic shortbow will probably the way
95% ammo regen
50% chance to trigger raging echo that will always hit

[weary drift]

Easy to get and never miss

[potent quail]

your raging echo never misses
and you dont trigger that 100% of the time

but you can trigger multiple

[weary drift]

The never miss isn’t 100%??

[blissful fjord]

Wtf is the one where crossbows always hit max hit

[potent quail]

but yeah i say bow is viable, no idea how it compares to crossbow

[blissful fjord]

How is that not busted

[tacit oyster]

if the echo does same damage roll as your normal attack then bows would still be good. just hard to know how it works

[potent quail]

you shoot bolt
you have like a 50% chanbce to trigger raging echo
if a raging echo happens it hits guaranteed

[blissful fjord]

Like insane

[potent quail]

i say the same but a new roll, but should follow all rules

[potent quail]

is slow

[blissful fjord]

Sunlight hunter cross bow is goijg to shred...

[sinful swallow]

should roll accuracy with crossbows but still max hit

[blissful fjord]

Like insanely shred

[weary drift]

Okay but still 2t max hitting echoing crossbow

[potent quail]

maybe insane but 1 tick eye of ayak seems really nice

[fierce heron]

not 2 tick

[potent quail]

not crossbow
BOWS

crossbow is 7 tick

[fierce heron]

it increases the ticks by 2 but increases damage

[blissful fjord]

Seems kinda nutty i guess we will se3

[shadow badger]

Yo guys is hotfoot still good for t2

[fierce heron]

which means inconsistancy and also standing around for 5 seconds to get a 2nd attack off

[potent quail]

bows decrease by 1 tick
so you can get 2tick speed with sunlight hunter

[sinful swallow]

what is the area needed for heavy ballista

[potent quail]

so yeah
bows: guaranteed hit with raging echo, 2tick speed
throwing weapons: aim for multiple raging echo hits and big max hits
Crossbow: insanely large max hit

[fierce heron]

karamja so everyone has it if MM2 is complete

[blissful fjord]

Kandarin

[shadow badger]

How
it's a crossbow

[potent quail]

oh snap

yeah

meant magic shortbow

mhh 5 tick sunlight hunter

[fierce heron]

sunlight crossbow is going to be ok pain in the ass to get though

[potent quail]

jsut take the hunter relic easy

[weary drift]

5 tick with insane damage seems good and hunter is gonna be free since we have hunter guild

[shadow badger]

Is woodsman better than hotfoot now

[potent quail]

why?

[weary drift]

Well doesn’t bell solve cooking and smithing so hotfoot would be for agi and that’s it??

[potent quail]

depends how chins work
if they count as thrown weapon maybe?
but in what content do you use them/when do you aoe stuff and need insane max hits?

[blissful fjord]

Hot foot seems useless with butlers bell

Like genuinely dog

[potent quail]

bell gives very bad exp, its for resources

[potent quail]

the exp from hotfood is x10

[blissful fjord]

Who cares just 1 tick karambwnas in an hour for 99

[fierce heron]

also bell is cometeing against make low tier resources higher giving everyone access to every raw material no matter the region, and clues,

[cosmic trout]

Is there somewhere to go to get all the answers for the pacts?

[potent quail]

you take hotfood for the agility lol

bell si for people who cant play

its tiny kingdom

pocket kingdom

[shadow badger]

Transmute is best T4 relic

[potent quail]

bell: afk cant play
Clues: play a ton want max points
transmutation: solves lots of resources (and exp for RC PRayer and crafting)

[hardy sail]

Anyone got a link to leagescord

[potent quail]

if you want max points you must take conniving clues basicyl

[toxic vortex]

channel pins here has it

[hardy sail]

Ty

[tough finch]

no details have been released for how to advance through pacts/how many we can unlock right

[sinful swallow]

so who is gonna beat inferno passafist with full thorn build

[fierce heron]

the new tier five also solves RC and prayer but not sure if its worth it over natures accord giving an actual teleport on top of solving farming or larcanist

[shadow badger]

What is that spelling dawg

[potent quail]

btw you never take Transmutation and soul harvest

transmutation completely makes soul harvest 100% irrelevant

[sinful swallow]

wait what category is blowpipe gonna be

[potent quail]

blowpipe

[sinful swallow]

yea yea i know

[stuck coral]

Do the pacts kinda make Kandarin a bit more viable now? (Still not picking it, but it looks nicer)

[fierce heron]

uncertain

[shadow badger]

How do you do RC with transmute with the noted essence

[sinful swallow]

so there is no benefit at all for blowpipes

[potent quail]

oh right its noted i forgot

shit

nvm then

tier 7 relic REALLY needs to be bankers noteXD

[fierce heron]

we might just not see it this leagues

[potent quail]

like the other t7 will be big

[tacit oyster]

bell is mainly for offline gathering,resource processing can give 500-1600k xp per day depending on multiplier and resource. crafting from bow strings seems to be op from butler though, 2.9-5.8m xp per day

[potent quail]

but if we dont get it runecrafting will suuuuck

[shadow badger]

I guess I'm sticking with Zeah RC

[fierce heron]

i mean if you go moritania and the agility teleport its good, but also agility teleport is just awful

[potent quail]

stll sucksXD

[stuck coral]

Naguas give some RC exp, and if you pick desert, you have access to GOTR, so that's at least one solve

[potent quail]

need a way to get pure essence btw

[tacit oyster]

transmutation turns air runes into pure essence

[tardy terrace]

Soul harvest is the RC solve if you take it

[potent quail]

forces you into transmutation

we are trying to solve it without taking it

but that may be it
map + transmutation
solves prayer and rc
making sould harvest a easy skip

[tacit oyster]

transmutation = unlimited pure essence, soul harvest can use fragments on rune altars

[tardy terrace]

I was going to take larcenist and reload into soul harvest unless tier 7 is broken

[potent quail]

the problem is how do you get to the altar fast

[potent quail]

why larcenist?

[left osprey]

if shards stack you wont need a way to alter

[fierce heron]

temple trekking gets you a shit ton of essence with minigame rewards multiplied

[potent quail]

i meant with transmutatiohn

[tardy terrace]

Because I just like it. Auto thieving was so fun last league

[tacit oyster]

both transmutation and soul harvest make prayer and runecrafting easier, soul harvest best rc. Soul harvest just only works on prayer and rc while transmutation helps almost all skills

[tardy terrace]

If you take tirannwn then larcenist is busted

[potent quail]

its awesome early game
but its tier 5 thats so late

[tacit oyster]

transmutation also makes farming easy since you can make all tree seeds into high xp ones

[simple oak]

Dont even need endless harvest now just log off

[tardy terrace]

I figured demon bell would be my herblore/farming solve so I don't want the farm one anymore

[tacit oyster]

wait transmutation is also only way to get ultra compost

[fierce heron]

yea but farming relic makes it unnessicary

[simple oak]

Does demon xp give coins with abundance

[tacit oyster]

i mean yeah if you want to take farming relic to spam tithe farm for 200m xp task. otherwise transmutation is better for farming than nature's accord

[potent quail]

my route so far:
Enldess harvest: easy 99 for WC, mining and fishing
hotfood: easily agility, cokking, smithing 99 (or close to)
teleport: unsure
Transmutation: prayer, RC, crafting 99 and all farming seeds
Natures accord: farming 99 and tps
Culling Spree: slayer 99
tier 7: no idea

only skills missing:
combat skills (trivial)
herblore (get enough herbs from farming)
thieving (need to do that one per hand)
firemaking (jsut realized hotfood doesnt solve this???)
fletching
hunter
construction
how to get money

[left osprey]

wait does transmute make pure ess out of air runes?

[sinful swallow]

you would want both wouldnt you natures accord and transmute

[potent quail]

yes

[potent quail]

noted pure essence

There's some cool stuff here like air runes turning into noted pure essence

[left osprey]

i thought the noted part was toggable no ?

[tropic mantle]

no

the banking is

[low cloak]

Wait, you could just infinitely train magic with transmutation

[shadow badger]

"When hitting a target with a two handed melee weapon, you have a 5% chance to trigger a Ranged echo as if you have a bow, crossbow and thrown weapon equipped"

Does this mean all the three ranged pacts at the start affect the echo produced from this?

[tacit oyster]

10 xp (before multiplier) per cast but yes can cast infinitely

[low cloak]

10 xp per item*

[stuck coral]

I'm thinking barb -> hot foot -> map -> maybe transmute->larcenist.

I might be rethinking my regions because I'm stuck between magic and melee, however I might want to go Tir to switch it up this league. Lots of choices.......

Asg and Des I think might be locked in

[low cloak]

So actually 100 xp per cast because it's transmuting 10 items at a time

[blissful fjord]

Is it just me or are blowpipes in the bin?

Unless they count as "thrown"

[warped turtle]

I cant wait to get the 20ft noxious halberd

[blissful fjord]

Even then the effects for thrown seem kinda crappy

[low cloak]

We about to RP as Sephiroth

[tardy terrace]

I think the last tier 3 will be banker's heist

[potent quail]

idk

i think last one will be something new

[pliant temple]

im reaaally hoping they let us pick at least 2 or 3 of the final tree upgrades and not just go one path and get a couple of bonuses. being able to be strong in multiple styles would be really fun. i doubt they will, though.

The fact that the different capstones all seem to support different playstyles within the same combat style makes me think they might let us have a few

[potent quail]

they would have revealed a known one earlier

[tardy terrace]

From what we have, evil eye seems like the play

[fierce heron]

the agility one is just worse evil eye

it does almost nothign but get you kinda close to a few bosses + 1 or 2 additional util

[tacit oyster]

transmutation is so op that it completely destroys old plans

[pliant temple]

i was fully intending on going melee and i think if i can only pick one capstone im definitely going blindbag path

[stuck coral]

the teles don't seem to put you too close to banks this time around

[tacit oyster]

i was going to do friendly forager for herb + secondaries but with transmutation not sure if it is worth for mainly secondaries

[tacit oyster]

huyecoatl evil eye tele is near bank and auburnvale agility shortcut is near bank too

[pliant temple]

yeah todays reveals put a wrench in my theorycrafted route

[shadow badger]

Huey bank

[stuck coral]

siiiiiiiiiick thanks

[shadow badger]

Today's reveals threw a wrench into my brain

[pliant temple]

i hope they reveal how the skill tree is going to work soon

i hope to god they give us enough points to be able to get a capstone for each style but i doubt they will

theres so many cool builds you can do with the pact system that no matter what im going to regret not doing something else

[naive lodge]

am i losing my mind or are earth spells cracked

[tacit oyster]

if they do 30 points it is fine for 1 style if they do around 50 points it would be perfect for min-maxing 1 style or doing 2 styles

[blissful fjord]

I want to know how blowpipes work because unless they are included in thrown they will be useless

[copper gorge]

Dont get me wrong i get hyping leagues up. I cant stand what they did for the pact tree

[tardy zodiac]

With earth spells scaling with def level, you'd still want mage armor though since Tankier armor doesn't give def levels correct? Since the tree itself will give def levels.

[warped turtle]

is wilderness/kourend/mory still solid havent looked at the reveals today

[toxic vortex]

wildy and mory stocks going up

[tropic mantle]

you just need to be accurate

[blissful fiber]

rn im still on Koured/Desert, and likely Asgarnia

[naive lodge]

my ass wants to take all 3 raid regions because i like to do content w homies

[potent quail]

wildy crossbow echo weapon has potential to be the best build in the whole league

[cloud panther]

Where can I read about the demonic pacts

[toxic vortex]

https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree

[cloud panther]

ty

[shadow badger]

"When attacking with a thrown weapon, you now throw at an additional nearby target"

Does this trigger for ranged echoes?

[fierce heron]

what 5 blindbag weapons do we think are going to be best and waht regions, mory gives 3 with nox, sscythe and greataxe, desert give colossal blade which would be funny but unsure if thats good and would be kinda a waste for my gameplan

[toxic vortex]

everyone has access to obby maul

[stuck coral]

Magic does look pretty fun... I'm also tempted to go wildy to cheese with God spells, but not sure I want to use a region slot for that

[lunar linden]

Does the reflect damage only happen if the monster hits, or is it a hit for what the monster woulda hit for kinda thing

[fierce heron]

Desert might actually be a good pick depending on if thats the only way to complete DT2 for soulreaper axe

[pliant temple]

soulreaper axe with varla if that counts

[stuck coral]

There's also the anchor if you pick mory for the 2h weight buff

[toxic vortex]

everyone has access to vard, and all DT2 bosses drop all of the pieces

SRA would be a good item to use, but its a pain to grind out even on leagues

[pliant temple]

they drop all the pieces or do they drop a completed axe?

[stuck coral]

pieces

[toxic vortex]

pieces

[tacit oyster]

pieces but dupe protection for pieces iirc

[pliant temple]

thats not too bad

i know im planning blindbag and i already want to grind vard for ultor anyway so thats fine with me

[stuck coral]

Tir/Asg/Des seems to be sticking for me. Not picking Mory this time, and Wildy is competing with Tir

[blissful fiber]

i might play thorn

[pliant temple]

so earth spells dealing flat additional damage based on defense level... what exactly does that mean bc i know it doesnt mean earth spells will get like +119 flat damage for 99 def + boost

[blissful fiber]

simply to be able to have "ranged" damage

as melee

[bitter wagon]

im trying to cook up a water spell/thorn build

twinflame staff might actually be cracked, 2 spell casts at 2 ticks that trigger all your elemental effects could go real hard

[blissful fjord]

Was going to take desert and go a ranged build with thr drygore blowpipe but whats the point in that if none of the pacts interact with blowpies

[vocal plover]

ye im thinkin bout twinflame too depending on how many of the spell mixes i can get

air and earth would hit crazy

[pliant temple]

i feel like i have to be reading the earth spell thing wrong

[vocal plover]

it said it increases damage by a # amount of defense, the # amount wasn't told so depending on the number it could either be insane or just pretty nice

like 1:1 ratio is broken

[bitter wagon]

we don't know what the # for defense level in it is, it could be 10 for all we know tb

[blissful fjord]

Its prolly per 10 or 5

[stuck coral]

It's 1 per number of def levels, so that hasn't been clarified yet

[vocal plover]

ye 1:2 ratio is still strong asf

cus u can get like 120 perm defense just for fun

[blissful fjord]

Prolly 10 then lol

[vocal plover]

that's more reasonable, but same time theres crossbows hitting like 100+ so we'll see

[cloud panther]

They've given us a lot to think about with this one

[pliant temple]

its honestly too much

[vocal plover]

i like it, esp the fact we'll have something related to a respec, idk what yet, lets you go crazy with build experiments

[stuck coral]

I want someone to test ballista lol

[blissful fjord]

Surely blowpipes count as "thrown"...

[vocal plover]

atlatl got shafted so it'd be rough if ballista and bp are useless too

[blissful fiber]

I do hope thorn will be strong

[blissful fjord]

Atalatl will be thrown

[vocal plover]

didnt a decent chunk of pacts say atlatl isnt affected by the buff

idk which ones tho i forgot

[blissful fjord]

Like its literally a throwing weapon

[stuck coral]

atlatl is classified the same as a bow

[tacit oyster]

nothing works with atlatl

[blissful fjord]

What the fuck

[vocal plover]

ye there u go

told u atlatl is shafted

[blissful fjord]

That makes no sense

[toxic vortex]

atlatl is classed as a bow

not a thrown weapon

[blissful fiber]

you WILL take desert for thrown weapons and you WILL love it

[rustic prism]

is melee just extremely weak this league?

[smoky raft]

there's a similar clause in the bow pacts that say Atlatl won't work there either lmao

[blissful fjord]

Right but its literally a throwing weapon....

[tacit oyster]

bow pacts also do not work with atlatl though

[vocal plover]

lmao

[blissful fjord]

Whats next, zombie axe is actually a sword in the code?

[blissful fiber]

I would have loved the melee range pacts but they are basically useless if you dont take the elf region to use halberds

[smoky raft]

min hit of 21 from 7 tiles away with a chance for blindbag damage?

[toxic vortex]

the wiki page says its classed as a bow, even though its not strung and the projectile is thrown

[vocal plover]

i think melee is pretty cool, you get the long arm of the law halberds and the blindbag 5x smacks

[tacit oyster]

maybe atlatl is actually crossbow so at least some pacts work on it

[smoky raft]

it is sorta limited to halberds though, so Mory or Elfville are kinda needed

[vocal plover]

atlatl will end up being a melee weapon

[stuck coral]

"Despite not being strung and using a “throwing” attack animation, the atlatl is technically a bow and not a thrown weapon. "

[shadow badger]

You need kandarin also for chally

[smoky raft]

not for dhally

[vocal plover]

can you use noxious without tiranwan

[smoky raft]

which is, quite frankly, good enough

[smoky raft]

yes

[blissful fjord]

Going hally build.without mory is a troll

[vocal plover]

noxious would rip mfs

[rustic prism]

Crossbow hits always max hit vs Earth spells deal additional flat damage based on your current Defence level (+1 damage per # Defence levels) vs melee blindbag

unless that earth spell description is wrong