pvp-discussion

[fringe fjord]

i can't fit in with any clan never could

other players annoy me

[winged thorn]

I’d argue the bulk of the PvP community now is clanners

[torpid lily]

sounds like sv woulda been great for u

[fringe fjord]

multi for me is logging in several accounts at the same time

[torpid lily]

likeminded people

[naive ore]

"pvp" transformed from player vs player to player hunting bots for easy money. When bots stopped being easy money there started to be identity crisis for the more casual pkers who are not looking to fight other pkers

[winged thorn]

PvP always included hitting pvmers

This new wave of Reddit nonsense decided to split the two lol

[torpid lily]

not at all

[fast cradle]

would you call this skill or sweat @fringe fjord

[fringe fjord]

if you want more pvper vs pvper fights you need a huge pool of casual pvpers inbetween that and the pvmers that gather loot but that isnt the case right now

[fast cradle]

curious

[torpid lily]

wonder why rune rocks were wildy only in the early days

or green dragons

[fringe fjord]

it is not loading

oh

[torpid lily]

or some endgame bosses like chaos ele and kbd

[fringe fjord]

pure nh is too sweaty for the average player yes

[winged thorn]

🤯

[fringe fjord]

that is reality

[fast cradle]

pure nh is the hardest skill in the game tbf

pure DPS

[winged thorn]

It is, you have no def lol

It’s not easy

[fringe fjord]

you dont really need armour switches on pures so its just more prayer focused

[winged thorn]

Not meant to be easy lol

[fast cradle]

wrong pray you get 35-34'd like that guy

[torpid lily]

2007scape would go mental right now if jagex proposed a 'dragonite' rock only in 50 wildy

[fringe fjord]

i can nh that isn't the issue

but i know the average player will not want to pure nh

[winged thorn]

You mean I should have the best resources and best xp in the only area I can DIE?

[fast cradle]

so in 1tic i can do a 3way fakie into 1tic cape+dds switch

[winged thorn]

What!!!

That’s unheard of!!

[fast cradle]

and have prayerss sorted

[fringe fjord]

yes the average player will never want to do that

[winged thorn]

Ok

Now what

Fix wildy for ppl who do?

Yes!

[fringe fjord]

those people need the casuals lol

[winged thorn]

We can complain all day about skill lvl

The fact of the matter is we all agree the facilities today don’t provide anything for noobs, even though when WE were all noobs we didn’t have the same hand holding

[fast cradle]

boils down to giving people a reason to be in the wilderness, practice being the hunted or being the hunter lol

simple as that

[winged thorn]

Dumbing down NH brid doesn’t help wild

[fringe fjord]

the casuals dont need sweats but sweats require casuals sadly

[fast cradle]

this lol

[winged thorn]

Idk what your suggestion is other than to be a doomer about the wilder

[fast cradle]

no thought process into what hes thinking

😄

[fringe fjord]

you forget the most important aspect

no one will vote for anything good to be in the wilderness because they dont want to have a reason to go there

[winged thorn]

So we should just delete the wildy

[fringe fjord]

the end result of this is always pkers arguing to do it unpolled

so you dont actually have any arguments its useless bickering

[winged thorn]

You’re a doomer & gloomer about wild tbh

[fast cradle]

BH worlds were removed unpolled

for RWT/bot reasons

[winged thorn]

Revs removed unpolled for same reason

[fast cradle]

yet PVM is the biggest RWT/bot farm

lmao

[winged thorn]

They didn’t even poll singles+

😂

[fast cradle]

thiss

[winged thorn]

But the facts don’t matter to buddy

[fast cradle]

imagine they nerf all pvm unpolled

kids would go wild

[winged thorn]

If it were up to him we’d be speccing with f keys

[fast cradle]

😄

[fringe fjord]

average player would probably like this but they already do this because all new content makes old content easier

[fast cradle]

this guy definately uses every plugin possible to play runescape

[fringe fjord]

inferno is not end game content anymore

[fast cradle]

even though the game is easy

[torpid lily]

inferno aint midgame mate

[naive ore]

yama nerfed without poll, even brutus bucked got nerfed without poll

[winged thorn]

Is that a compartimos?

[torpid lily]

I think its funny how you say the vast majority of people cant even do jad, but then proceed to yap about how inferno isnt endgame 😭

[winged thorn]

Comparison*

[fast cradle]

this discusssion is jokes

[winged thorn]

Nerf compared to removal?

[fast cradle]

kald clearly doesn't pvp

[winged thorn]

Same thing surely huh

[fast cradle]

nor ever has

[fringe fjord]

better at it than you probably

[fast cradle]

his idea of pvp is playing soulwars

no doubt with those plugins

robot scaper

ll

[torpid lily]

no risk all reward = mindset of average player nowadays

[fast cradle]

id dance around you while eating my dinner

meanwhile you sit in tank 15 brews

lmao

[winged thorn]

Omg let’s go white portal rn

[fast cradle]

you the type of guy that goes full cheat mode to fight odablock

and still doesn't kill him

xd

[winged thorn]

Idk if kald does wildy, I think he’s a bh enjoyer

[halcyon kraken]

I’m dying of laughter thank you for this banger of a joke

[winged thorn]

May be why his takes are very out of touch

[fast cradle]

factual lets be eal @halcyon kraken

real

[echo harness]

the honest reason is that Andrew Gower was an amateur game designer and as Brighter Shores has shown had no goddamn idea what he was doing beyond excellent vibes

no input on the rest of this but let's not pretend he was being insightful

he probably just thought the cool dangerous area should have cool stuff and hit publish, it wasn't any deeper than that I expect lol

[fast cradle]

man presses F1 and his character 1tic insta maul elders while doing shark brew pnec karam

legit

lmfao

[winged thorn]

I agree with what you’re saying, but at the same time, I’d argue it was the foundation for the ecosystem we know today. Even if he was unaware, he did something right

[echo harness]

do you get double loot for posting the screenshot twice

[fringe fjord]

the other one didnt load

[fast cradle]

bot killer lol ?

[fringe fjord]

nope

i only veng pk lol

pure and veng pking

[winged thorn]

Bh/pvp world enjoyer

[fringe fjord]

at most i anti pk hybrids

[winged thorn]

Demanding wildy changed

Sad

[fringe fjord]

just telling what would make me want to wildy pvp

[winged thorn]

Np fella

[fringe fjord]

who else you wanna hear it from

i can actually high apm nh hybrid unlike other people

[winged thorn]

Ppl who go to wild

Like rn

I’d like to talk to them

Instead tbh

[echo harness]

yeah but I'm just knocking the "it was done when the game was new so it's good" thing lol

[fringe fjord]

you want new people to come to wildy not people who are actually in it that makes no sense

[winged thorn]

Because it would be like me never enjoying bh

& then making suggestions to you tbh make 0 sense to you

[fringe fjord]

you suck at 1vs1 ofcourse you dont enjoy bh lol

[winged thorn]

How would you know?

[fringe fjord]

you TOLD ME

lol

[fast cradle]

alright so i'd say you're so far out of touch its ok @fringe fjord

[winged thorn]

I’m average in BH

But my point is, I’m not sitting here saying make it easier so I will enjoy it lol

That’s what you’re doing about the wild

[fringe fjord]

if wilderness felt as casual as bh i would actually do it

[fast cradle]

what would you do to make bh more fun as its essentially dead content @fringe fjord

[winged thorn]

I think wildy is as casual as you wanna make it

[fast cradle]

curious

[fringe fjord]

more variation so 20 def isn't the meta anymore

[fast cradle]

what else

[fringe fjord]

bh isn't very equal right now

[winged thorn]

Other tiers of armor would be cool

Stick to the BH lane & this guy may have it

[fringe fjord]

main bracket is plagued by people who tele target spec and then run laps around the area

[winged thorn]

Don’t ask him for his wildy opinion though

[fast cradle]

do you not think the BH rewards should be allowed to be used in the wilderness

[fringe fjord]

they are in bh worlds i think

[fast cradle]

BH is a form of PvP

wilderness is PVP

[fringe fjord]

but no i dont think they should because that complicates polling

if they are kept in the instance you dont need to let people who dont use bh vote on it

if you dont then pvmers who are affected by them in the wilderness get to vote and you get nothing

anything that is kept in an instance and doesnt require the entire playerbase to agree with it because it doesnt affect them if theyre not in the instance is easier to pass

[fast cradle]

most of bh are ahkers

[fringe fjord]

nah

[fast cradle]

factual

[fringe fjord]

ahk is not that common

average bher is just pretty good

[inner dew]

or just dont use voting cos its completely useless

[fringe fjord]

not gonna happen dont have pipedreams

[winged thorn]

Most of the pk scene would love to use the BH stuff in wildy

It’s asinine not to

[fringe fjord]

i know they would

[fast cradle]

thats like calling my frien bill pretty good or afzhaal

[fringe fjord]

and it would be nice if they could

[inner dew]

they already changed things without voting i dont know what ur point is

[fringe fjord]

they only take things away without voting in pvp

[winged thorn]

It also helps the BH crowd because it would force some pkers who don’t like that style to do it

[fringe fjord]

they dont add anything

[winged thorn]

It’s a win win

[fringe fjord]

i agree but it complicates polling which is why im inclined to say no

what you could do however is pass it in bh first so it's instanced, use that as 'trial' to see whether its overpowered or not and THEN add it to the rest of the game

[winged thorn]

We all agree that it wouldn’t pass a poll because of the rest of the game.

[inner dew]

is there some magical force that prevents jagex from not using voting

[winged thorn]

You aren’t saying anything crazy

[fringe fjord]

they do this with dmm content

[winged thorn]

Like we all understand the nature of polling

& how nothing pvp works, we are pvp enjoyers lol

[fringe fjord]

cant you use bh armours in bh worlds in wilderness right now?

[naive ore]

yes and most pvm community would like dinh's and justiciar %damage reduction to work in wilderness. neither side wants the other to get the benefit

[fringe fjord]

or did they remove those

[fast cradle]

bh stuff is bh only

strictly

[fringe fjord]

i remember you were able to use vesta longsword in wilderness bh worlds

[winged thorn]

You can use it in the pvp world

In wildy

Or it is BH maybe idfk

[fast cradle]

should be normal wildy worlds whereever tbh

idea pvp rewards locked

[winged thorn]

Yeah, because dihns hurts the mystics pker

[fast cradle]

in single worlds

[fringe fjord]

i would like to see t30 armour that's actually able to be used in wildereness (inq too expensive same for masori)

t10 armour even maybe

[winged thorn]

If everyone was going out in PvP armors I think we could allow the damage reduction on dihns

But they’re not

[fringe fjord]

everyone is 20 def now and its not funny

[winged thorn]

20 def was a pk build before they added the armors

Clan world had a jump on you guys

[fringe fjord]

yeah they were bad before that lol

clan accounts have historically always been terrible

99 prayer 99 attack 25 defence lmao

[winged thorn]

They’re terrible for what you do

You don’t multi pk nor clan

[fringe fjord]

i pk in pvp worlds and bh

they are bad in bh even with the armours

[winged thorn]

Yeah a “clan” account would be useless for someone who doesn’t clan

I agree lol

[fringe fjord]

i would use an account like that to blast people with black sally at poh portal in rimmy

it's only productive use

[winged thorn]

20 deffers are fun in pure clanning

Especially in cwa

[fringe fjord]

look at this bad boy I got

85 combat

double sotd spec in house and afk for 10 minutes while ragebaiting people

[winged thorn]

That thing should have 94 mage

Wat doing

[fringe fjord]

its so goddamn bad lmao

[winged thorn]

Would participate in nh BH

You*

I’m curious to know if your beef with wildy is just that you get picked on by mains, or if you just don’t enjoy trbrid pking

[fringe fjord]

not much i have physical work and im too tired to do high apm pvp after work

i want to lay back and do casual bh and feel most players would find that the most appealing too

[winged thorn]

Couldn’t we accommodate both the laid back pker & the hunter pker

I think we could accomplish both

[fringe fjord]

they are the same thing

you get more laid back pkers = you get more hunters that kill those

the top pkers need a big pool of people below that that are casual pkers

i would argue the wilderness biggest problem is the lack of casual pkers

the bottom of the food chain isnt the problem cuz theres so many bots it doesnt matter

[winged thorn]

Idk if they are.. hunting as in, I’m not standing in the BH crater waiting for an arrow to point me to a target. More like hunting throughout wildy.
I do agree that the casual pker pool is reduced. I think singles+ & the amount of worlds changed that

[fringe fjord]

singles + benefits casual pkers

not casual clan pkers though

but individuals

because you wont die to sweats due to it

[winged thorn]

While I agree with you, would you agree the wildy had more ppl pking in singles before the changes?

At peak times, chins had ppl in most of the worlds

Idk if you could agree as you don’t wildy pk.. but I think there was a drastic change in the amount of ppl you’d see running around the wildy after the single+ changes

[jade ledge]

while single+ should in fact encourage more people in singles

[fringe fjord]

it did but i am not sure it was because of clans or just because the wilderness hadn't had a lack of updates for that long yet

i dont think it died specifically because of the singles + overhaul

[winged thorn]

I think it lent quite the helping hand

[fringe fjord]

that is not when i remember activity decreasing overnight or anything

[winged thorn]

But would also agree there were other factors

[fringe fjord]

i do go into the wilderness even if i dont bh, i do anti pk there sometimes

[jade ledge]

The playerbase gets older and the appeal to hop on to play is less

[fringe fjord]

i think what you specifically need to make the wilderness active again is to encourage very casual pkers the kind that just kills bots and pvmers

people wanting to go into the wilderness to be loot pinatas isnt an actual issue right now

because its covered by bots

you can already go there and make money comparable to pvm

not healthy design but this is the reality

[jade ledge]

Bots are too advanced for a casual player to overcome a fight, promoting human vs bots is a no go to me. Bots shouldnt be there in the first place but oh well

[winged thorn]

Yeah the bots I killed to learn are not the bots that exist today. I do think it gives the nooby a good foothold to start though

[fringe fjord]

there are some hard ones but most bots in the wilderness are literally worse than noob pvmers

if you struggle to kill zombie bots you need to go to a doctor

if its giga casual friendly to hunt them with autocast memorisation and some easy tier tribrid armour you could make people hunt it on the toilet at work while they take a shit

doesnt hurt the skill ceiling if you make the armour crap enough that its overshadowed by expensive gear

if joe average can log in and make as much money doing 1 way weapon switches + offensive prayer as they could doing pvm they might actually do it

and they'd continue being ganked by good players because that isnt good enough to compete with that altho you could still freeze log if not disabled

just put a 1 tick delay on the memorisation so its still better to do it manually

hell put some hybrid armours as reward under wilderness elite diary

doesnt matter if they dont risk shit because the top pkers will just hunt the people with keys and get the pvm loot through proxy

i dont think the safe death shit people on leddit keep coining would be positive

because we had that before

we had trial accounts in like 2010

people used it to make dbow suicide accounts that risked nothing

and it made low level pvp terrible

cant just make it drop coins because then you're generating gp and bots will abuse it in some corner of the wilderness

you could break items and need them to be fixed but how is that less complicated than going to the ge and rebuying them i dont want to see black d'hide body (broken)

so ultimately i only see the wilderness having that huge population of casuals if they indeed make the skill floor giga easy

[languid oracle]

Reddit post, evidently mage max hits are borked

Calcs to a 43

Only hits 42

[glass herald]

Max hit calcs to a 42

I'd post the calc but don't have perms to post pics

[languid oracle]

Tome of fire isn't +50% it's a multiplicative amount

In pvp

It will do 50% more than the max hit before tome, which is 29

29+14.5 rounded down is 43

[naive ore]

if he didnt have prayer on for the hit that could make max hit 42, with offensive prayer should be 43

according to wiki it rounds down the max hit before tome is added and then rounds down again after tome

[languid oracle]

You can see from the colored blue hitsplat he has offensive mage prayer on, and others in the thread tested and got a 42 using vigour and mystic might, both of which should give a 43

It rounds down both times yes, but the max hit before tome is calced is already a 29.
So it'd add 14

[naive ore]

maybe the new crush spec weapon added -1 to all max hit calculations

[languid oracle]

Even mystic lore's 1% pushes it to 43

So something is actually fucky lmao

[naive ore]

they should add pvp combat dummy to poh

[winged thorn]

Don’t you need torm for 43

[naive ore]

21% magic bonus with tome should be enough 43 max hit, (+10 comes from smoke staff). unless wiki has wrong mage max hit formula

[winged thorn]

It’s been a rly long time since the purple portal pure days, but I thought you needed torm for 43

[naive ore]

either pvp has different formula for max hit or the formula on wiki is wrong. Or there is some bug

[glacial gate]

noone says this... at all.

[glacial gate]

an then cries they have no recourse when a pker is on them besides chugging brews. My brother in christ you choose the setup!

[fringe fjord]

what is the recourse at scorpia when a team of approx 3-6 main mains logs in on you

there is no recourse in multi for most players hence why they hate it

bring risk so you have a slim chance of tanking when the boss does not require this at all?

tbh most of the arguments around multi revs just seem like multi pkers that are tired of their members being ganked by good hybrids and them then being able to escape easy with loot

they dont actually seem to like top down pvp where the best takes down the mid pker

[naive ore]

yeah pvmers cry that pkers are ruining their kills/h in wilderness. Pkers are annoyed because pvmers bring stuff to tank full tb instead of trying to anti-pk

[fringe fjord]

they're just tired of the best ganking their individually bad clan members and getting away with it lmao

[latent relic]

clans want multi revs because they hope it brings back more multi fights. the design is nice and will give us a prime spot to hop and find other teams. this has nothing to do with trying to escape singles pkers lol

you assume that there is no overlap in good singles nhers and multi pkers

[fringe fjord]

the overlap is from good nhers multi pkers remain bad

no one actually seems to start with multi to learn to pk and then become good

[latent relic]

and what basis do you have to say that multi pkers can't be good nhers

[fringe fjord]

only goes the other way around

good nhers sometimes join multi clans

[latent relic]

based on what? you seem to have experience to form such an opinion?

multi clans are made up of pkers that have as much a wide range of talent and abilities as the overall runescape community. its not like being in a multi clan suddenly makes you a bad singles pker

[fringe fjord]

main argument clans make against singles is that they're tired of whales getting away because they can just freeze log

[latent relic]

that might be an opinion of some individuals but not the entire community

[fringe fjord]

this wouldnt be an issue if any of them was actually able to kill those whales 1vs1

but they are not because they are undergeared and underskilled

[latent relic]

you are making a ton of leaps based on what?

sure multi pkers are going to be geared in a lot less than someone in singles because we have a higher probability of dieing in a team fight than someone in singles

doesn't mean we are underskilled

also i'd never complain if someone got away

i'd be pissed i couldn't finish the kill but i'm not gonna complain that jagex should change the game to make it easier for me

i lost the kill and they did better

[fringe fjord]

how does the average player, or average team benefit from multi

[latent relic]

its fun?

[fringe fjord]

being piled by a clan is fun?

[latent relic]

sure

when i tank them and clear them

[fringe fjord]

being piled with your 4 player group by a multi clan that has scout bots at every ferox enclave is fun?

[gilded flame]

Get some more homies

[languid oracle]

You can't just iterate out to "how does x person have fun doing this" because that's just all subjective and leads to being able to easily make an argument against anything that you have fun doing lol

[latent relic]

learn to tank and stay close to singles if you are small numbers

[gilded flame]

People have to stop being so against dying in wildy

Dying in wildy isn't that bad

[latent relic]

die for a 500k set and be back in the fight in 30 sec

like it isn't deep

[languid oracle]

"How does someone have fun in singles, fighting giga maxers all day knowing nobody will die"
It's a useless argument to try to make a question out of who finds what fun

[latent relic]

know when to pull back when you are beat

no one has to enter the wilderness. sure there will be clues you cant do but there are clues i can't do because i don't like skilling. should jagex remove all skilling requirements because i don't like skilling?

runescape is a massive game that can be played how you want to play it. do what you enjoy and if thats not pking in a 4 man team don't do it

[fringe fjord]

''should jagex remove all skilling requirements because i don't like skilling?'' yes

[latent relic]

no

they shouldn't

[glacial gate]

imma have to figure out bros ign then we'll see if multi bots can nh or not 😛

[latent relic]

you make the game too easy and it loses all sense of progression and fufillment.

why even play

[languid oracle]

Guy got too used to playing those "instant maxed combats and all quests completed" pking servers

[latent relic]

i guess

should go play those if thats what he likes

[glacial gate]

you vastly overestimate what pking is thinking this. theres like 500+ worlds you think multi clans have accs at every ferox and every fight location across 500 worlds? Bro do you even think before you type? Isn't baiting against the rules lmao?

[languid oracle]

Removing all roadblocks and barriers from the game to make it your ideal game just makes dull boring slop

Sometimes there should be things you don't personally enjoy that are in the game to make it better

[latent relic]

its really starting to feel like hes just here to troll pkers?

[languid oracle]

Seems like it

[glacial gate]

Trying to get us to flame to knock down the channel lol

sorry not gonna flame brother.

[latent relic]

yeah no flame just trying to reason and understand where hes coming from

the takes are crazy without something to back them up

[winged thorn]

This is the same guy who said I shouldn’t have an opinion because of my clan affiliation

[fringe fjord]

i think most players would agree that the opinions of rot members regarding pvp are irrelevant

[latent relic]

Nah, can disagree with them and still be respectful. Your exposure to the clan community seems to be limited to last dmm drama

[fringe fjord]

disagree, you can be respectful towards clans, not this clan, nor it's members.

evidently as they have been wiped from the game before for widespread rule breaking.

[winged thorn]

is this a bad time to mention RoT won bracket 1 this yr?

[fringe fjord]

it's like asking the rats in the sewers what their opinions are on pest extermination, most of the time you're better off doing the opposite of what the people actively harming pvp want to do.

[latent relic]

Again I think your exposure to multi clans are limited and there are other clans that are involved in rule breaking

[winged thorn]

im thankful for jagex's open mindedness

[fringe fjord]

no single player in the wilderness has positive experiences with clans.

[wide crater]

I mean generally speaking, rot being a multi clan, so anything they agree on that benefits them, would also benefit other multi clans

[winged thorn]

crazy huh lol

[naive ore]

majority of players used mules during deadman armageddon which is also against the rules

[winged thorn]

ban them all!

[latent relic]

Yupp so widespread they changed the rules because of it

[fringe fjord]

single players aren't ever positively impacted by anything that benefits clans it just makes the game harder for them and most people play solo

[wide crater]

As you mentioned earlier about 4 man teams getting wiped by clans. Idk if this is common knowledge or not, but most multi clans do not require you to join their blue cc. You can be in your clan with friends and still join a bigger multi clan too

[fringe fjord]

so they can lure you?

[wide crater]

Nothing about any multi clan has ever made anything i do in this game harder

[winged thorn]

if multi clans lure everyone who tries to join

how do they exist

?

[wide crater]

^^

[fringe fjord]

they lure non official members.

[winged thorn]

do you know how asinine you sound lol

so how do you knew poepl join?

if everyone who is new gets lured?

[fringe fjord]

they become official members first.

[winged thorn]

i know you assume a lot

[wide crater]

@fringe fjord brother people quit playing all the time, for multi clans to keep being able to pull numbers to fights, we literally make friends with and recruit the smaller teams

[winged thorn]

its a huge misconception that clans lure ppl

today anyways

[fringe fjord]

your clan literally has videos of them doing this btw

[winged thorn]

luring pkers in the wild?

you mean ppl who are already in wildy doing pvp?

not backstabbing ppl lol

[fringe fjord]

luring people into the wilderness with promises of them getting into the clan

you know this.

[winged thorn]

i have no idea what youre going on about at this point

[wide crater]

?? That doesnt happen. We will multi lure singles pkers sure. But we didnt lure them to the wildy

[winged thorn]

nobody would join a certain multi clan if they were known for luring their new members

they'd close lol

very fast

believing anything else is asinine, respectfully

[wide crater]

Even the people that are in opposing clans dont say those kinds of things because they know it isnt true

[winged thorn]

im sure like small little discords of ppl backstab and bs each other all the time. but "official" clans would die if this was the norm lol

[low mesa]

Wilderness is god awful as of the past couple weeks

They may as well delete it

[latent relic]

Yeah like I don't see eye to eye with a lot of clans these days but I don't like scapegoating one for all that is wrong with the PvP clan community

[fringe fjord]

dmm ongoing

[low mesa]

Rn?

[fringe fjord]

not anymore

but past few weeks

[low mesa]

Ok I’m talking about the past week even

[winged thorn]

the argument has been abandoned by said offender so i think our point has been proven

[latent relic]

K good I stepped away for a minute and must have missed it

[latent relic]

No one would want to join for sure. Word gets around if this type of shit happens

[winged thorn]

i mean, we could probably both think of situations where clans folded & closed for LESS

[latent relic]

Yupp

Seen my fair share of clans close after 20+ years

[naive ore]

Like no one would probably try to argue that there have not been any lures in multiclans. Even large pvm clans have lurers sometimes

[latent relic]

If someone follows me into multi that's their choice

[wide crater]

Yes but multi lures and luring to the wilderness are not the same thing lol

[minor aspen]

One time i got skull tricked for BP in old rev caves by guys doing the same-name trick.

The last time I remember baiting/luring myself was way back when there was no wilderness ditch at varrock lvl 1 doing the trade walk in trick with friends.

[latent relic]

Good thing they have pk skull prevention now

[fringe fjord]

multi clans do both + also distribute cheat clients tho.

[minor aspen]

Maybe some, but none of the clan discords i’m in do. Many will let certain services advertise though

[brazen fox]

Idkkkk I mean one clan leader has been known to lure long time friends but maybe that’s diff 😂 😂

[minor aspen]

I don’t think I’ve seen cheat clients advertised, usually gold and levels/achievements

[naive ore]

I really doubt any official large clans would be openly showing/advertising cheat clients in their discord server.

[fringe fjord]

the main guy that makes the most commonly used client is literally in a branch clan that's since been absorbed into rot

[glacial gate]

if i see people using a cheat client i flame them and im in a multi clan 🤔

[brazen fox]

Yh even if that’s true I don’t think u can extrapolate that into assuming that multi clans in general support clienting

Some people cheat… some of them are in clans and some of them aren’t

Not in multi clan fwiw

[fringe fjord]

some clans have networks of distributed cheat clients some dont, members of those clans are in here

[brazen fox]

Zzz

Networks of distributed cheat clients

Respectfully what does that even mean

[winged thorn]

me?

https://i.imgur.com/PhT8lck.png

literally rn

btw

lol

[glacial gate]

bro is having a live brain fart

[brazen fox]

The internet got a distributed network of cheat clients for sure

A web perhaps

World wide one

[minor aspen]

W470 we got him

[brazen fox]

Show side panel noob

😂

[fringe fjord]

logging in my mace clan rn

[brazen fox]

Def not a south multi bait

[glacial gate]

thatll work great in singles.

[winged thorn]

o no dont come engage in pvp w/ me!!

[brazen fox]

Total laps 17

[winged thorn]

just got here

[fringe fjord]

you can only escape through multi there unless you somehow log at the ladder or freeze log

[winged thorn]

would be macing a huey top

[brazen fox]

It’s rly hard to die on course if u got freezes and a tiny bit of common sense

[winged thorn]

not bad

[glacial gate]

You can also kill the opponent

Smh i hate that didn't cross your mind tbh

[brazen fox]

[fringe fjord]

how many spades is that

[brazen fox]

Now I look like noob gg

Aura reset to 0

[winged thorn]

at least 11

[fringe fjord]

im dry at doom i could go for a dhide body

[winged thorn]

i wouldnt mind getting hit

better than training agility

[fringe fjord]

it gets better once you unlock ardy roofs

[winged thorn]

i'll do wild till 99 tbh

[fast cradle]

bh tele into multi plz GG

😄

[fringe fjord]

those guys were always so bad

[fast cradle]

I made bank with my own gang of ppl

stand in a singles spot with bait accs, they'd tele up in multi

get spear+tb'd on the spot

lol

[fringe fjord]

hope you werent one of the shitters at level 9 hollow tree

we would always run there and clear them everyday

[fast cradle]

no lol

i dont roll with whales

😄

we all had max pures/zerks/meds

3 diff brackets covered

amount of +1s we got 😄

[fringe fjord]

this was mid 70s bracket usually

[fast cradle]

no lol

[fringe fjord]

the luring people were like 4-6 people

[glacial gate]

mid 70's level 9 wilderness.
im just saying its definitely what i expected.

[winged thorn]

l0l

[fast cradle]

all 80-95cb, we used to sit dd'd waiting lol

in max str bonus

tbers in max mage

xd

[glacial gate]

so like a good 3 mil risk being that its 1 defence.

"Macc"

[fast cradle]

bit more than that when they'd all got hybrid

zerks/meds as well lol

[fringe fjord]

most active bracket in edge bh

[fast cradle]

full of whaless

with PoH spec rushing

[fringe fjord]

based and redpilled

[fast cradle]

you know what i did with those kids?

my boy would dbow>axe them id gmaul

1bang

😄

tbf maybe you know some of my friends @fringe fjord

they were all high ranking bhers

BILL

z4ck

ect.

[glacial gate]

bh inna crater

[fringe fjord]

furious 07 was my favorite whale

[fast cradle]

lmao

[fringe fjord]

he would always rage at bally spec veng

[fast cradle]

yh for a voider

[fringe fjord]

and not log in for 3 days

[fast cradle]

i spanked him a ton

on a pure

most of the good players from bh quit long ago

back when odablock used to bh pk

with 10 viewers

XD

[fringe fjord]

the current bh doesnt feel the same

[fast cradle]

i also had a serp helm obby tank pre-animation stall nerd + helm nerf @fringe fjord

one of most fun accs i had tbh

unkilable pure destroyer 😄

[fringe fjord]

i did too

they are good in current bh

[fast cradle]

with what def

[fringe fjord]

can range forever

[fast cradle]

78?

[fringe fjord]

60 or 78

[fast cradle]

eh 60 doesn't offer def bonuss

obsidian is aids

[fringe fjord]

60 is dragon defender it doesnt require any attack unlike every other defender

[fast cradle]

means weak to range esp. with obby set on though

[fringe fjord]

defender+ warhammer for spec

[fast cradle]

true suppose

[fringe fjord]

you dont use obby set

[fast cradle]

miss the DFS+bando+ helm overkill tbf

[fringe fjord]

my obby tank is maxed 75 def havent used it since serp nerf

[fast cradle]

turned mine med

then main'd it

so i've got 126/125/124

got me curious your rsn's now kald

😄

[fringe fjord]

best pures in current bh are obbys

[fast cradle]

oh yh no doubt

-55cb

or 20def

afzhaal has some insane obbys

infernos without overheads ect

[glacial gate]

back to the subject matter.
Wilderness multi isn't based around level 14's or whatever yall like to play.

[fringe fjord]

that's why it sucks

[glacial gate]

it sucks because its not catered to brand new tutorial island accounts?

[fast cradle]

imo the meta builds are too op

thats the big problem

with bh

hows someone meant to learn when they cant hit/get wrecked in 10seconds

😄

skill gap is too high

[fringe fjord]

making weird niche pvp builds is one of the most fun aspects of it

[glacial gate]

yall could always level up

[winged thorn]

kk im itching to build a new 1

wat am i building

[fast cradle]

75att 20def

or 80att

[fringe fjord]

50 attack 50 def 63 pray

[fast cradle]

that sounds sweat

ngl i've not bh'd since bh world removal kald

but plenty of friends show me what they're upto

😄

[winged thorn]

yum

[fringe fjord]

one of the better builds that doesnt involve risking a ton

[winged thorn]

idm risking

[fast cradle]

bic boi risker

ill plank u ez

😄

gimmie da moniez

[fringe fjord]

risk matters when you veng pk because you tend to die to rng randomly unavoidable

but you can always blow money on a 20 def 50 attack build

they are fun just not really profitable

[minor aspen]

Yall ever run a mud staff with some soul runes and surge to throw out a curse spell every now and then. Vulnerability spell into dds

[fringe fjord]

morrigans is good if you dont wanna die as much

if you mainly range you can move away if they go in for gmaul spec so you dont die to rng as much

[fast cradle]

5 sq gap

ez

[fringe fjord]

whatever you do avoid 115+ in bh

[fast cradle]

never done it, aids i assume lol

[glacial gate]

just play a main

[fringe fjord]

main bracket is terrible in bh too

[glacial gate]

explain

What makes it terrible

[fringe fjord]

everyone teles to targ dumps specs and then runs laps until they can leave arena

[fast cradle]

yikes

[glacial gate]

really?

ive saw that in every bracket so why does that make mains specifically bad?

[fast cradle]

sounds like 70s bracket old bh worlds ft. PoH

[fringe fjord]

voidwakers

voidwaker not that powerful on zerkers

only on meds and higher

[glacial gate]

voidwaker only requires 75 attack. Plenty of accounts have access.

Can you make one solid point against mains

???

[fringe fjord]

yeah but its not that powerful with 1 def or 45 def

[winged thorn]

love mains me

if i bh its on a med or main

[glacial gate]

I think some people got to much gear fear to utilize those higher stats

[fast cradle]

easy jagex just needs to make a non+1 bh world

back to basics

[fringe fjord]

that world was always popping back in like 2009

[fast cradle]

disable untradables like void/torso ect

yh

[fringe fjord]

i remember turmoil 60 attack 40 def pking in it with dds

and no one could use untradables

because you lost them

[fast cradle]

had a max tank 104+12

then when SOA came out

it was game over for everyone.

sit there with ely + virtus

pure DPS

void/torso's ect killed old 302 pking in osrs @fringe fjord

[fringe fjord]

everyone still got ptsd from turmoil when it wasnt that good

[fast cradle]

jagex ruined it by giving them broken status on death, should;ve just made them lost on death

[fringe fjord]

was ss that pulled the weight of it

if you flicked turmoil for melee spec it was worse than piety

it was only good if you camped it

[fast cradle]

made my old staker which had gp locked on it

into a 50att 30def

broken af.

throwback to 2008 when i xferd 800m through tzhaar

good times.

most op build back then my boy went from med team pking to reset 10def @fringe fjord

bgloves piety ect

[fringe fjord]

i was the first person with 40 def 50 attack 13 pray build i believe

[fast cradle]

pre-eoc?

[fringe fjord]

yes

they are common now

but no one was low prayer pre eoc

[fast cradle]

imagine being 87cb speccing 35-35 in rag 10def gear tho

overkill as f hybriding

jagex really messsed up doing that

reset botted accountss to 10 everything

lmao

[fringe fjord]

rigour was 1 def pre eoc too

[fringe fjord]

there are still videos of that

i found them a few weeks ago

[fast cradle]

yh the account my boy had

dieze

he made vidss of it

60att 10def with piety/turmoil/bgloves ect

rigour/aug ofc

essentially a reset maxed med to 10 everything

you know what F2P bh craters were fun

after wildy removal

my boy ranginghero14

ranked #1 bh as a pure

purified was #1 fog

ahh the era of pures

ripp

[fringe fjord]

too bad pures are bad now

[fast cradle]

bet you can remember tunaman10 cc when pvp worlds kald

and jaja

back in 09

anyway back later irl calls

[fringe fjord]

ponystroker cc

do you perhaps remember GoDz 2h or something from f2p hills

dude had 10 defence from using smash on 2h switch for no reason

[latent relic]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-nodding-alright-okay-sure-gif-17462390242745359901

[thick rover]

no new player engages with high end pvm either, should those be made easier?

most players can't do efficient raids for example

those require fkeys and accurate clicks and fast switches

it's completely fine for some content to be difficult

should raid bosses only attack with 1 style and have no special mechanics so casual players can kill them like giant mole?

[halcyon kraken]

No just for me only

[thick rover]

the average player is doing barrows

[glacial gate]

If a message ever needed a sticky this would be it.

[naive ore]

they already allowed spellbook resizing in pvm and added multiple low level bosses to teach pvm mechanics

[glacial gate]

also a super fair point!

[naive ore]

smh making game easier for new players

[fringe fjord]

yes so you wont ever get those people to pk unless its similarly braindead

95% of this game afks slayer

[thick rover]

in fact i'd say it's even necessary for there to be challenging, inspirational content that's initially out of reach for the average player for them to have a sense of progression and satisfaction as they work towards it and to have a healthy game overall

[fringe fjord]

players engaging with such content cannot support a pvp ecosystem

[glacial gate]

Wrong beyond all belief.

[fringe fjord]

because there are not many of them

[thick rover]

good thing there are multiple aspects of pvp that turn people away that's not just raw mechanics

[fringe fjord]

being decent at pvp is basically end game level understanding of game mechanics

[thick rover]

for example people hate losing even 10k even though they're doing low req multi mil money makers in the wildy

[fringe fjord]

you aint gonna convince people doing abbysal demons to do that

[glacial gate]

Imagine if the wilderness actually had high incentives which would outweigh the fears of those afraid of the wilderness so they came to participate. You know kinda the whole high risk high reward thing that the wilderness is supposed to be.

[fringe fjord]

you get a no vote because people will actively vote to prevent there from being an incentive in the wilderness

they do not want your incentive to exist

[thick rover]

i am so glad sbs is relevant in endgame pvm, it's very cool that manual casting is still used

[glacial gate]

breaking down polling into player subcategories. or even just giving integrity updates to the game are both valid systems to bypass the vast pvm johnny bias.

[glacial gate]

i sbs at doom 😛

[thick rover]

many of those players will also never step foot in the wilderness regardless of any incentive unless it's like literal 100m/sec standing by the ditch

lots of disingenuous voters and we should not cater to nor care about them

[fringe fjord]

you cant really do that with pvp content that isnt instanced because it affects pvm johnnys that use the wilderness

[thick rover]

when their mind has been made up 10 years ago

[fringe fjord]

you can do it with instanced pvp

[glacial gate]

you could easily breakdown if they go in the wilderness or not. this is disingenuous

[naive ore]

They should add forced wilderness tutorial when you first time enter wilderness like in barbarian assault

[glacial gate]

Did doom have a tutorial

🤔

[fringe fjord]

most of the people in the wilderness arent pkers but they might vote for such an incentive yes

they will not vote for anything that makes it easier to kill them

[fringe fjord]

level 1 is the tutorial it gets harder every delve

[glacial gate]

Who asked for ways to make them easier to kill?

Really? its a tutorial? it didnt tell me green was ranged or blue is mage, it didnt tell me to kill that grub crawling.

Wheres the tutorial?

how hand held do people have to be lmao

[fringe fjord]

you have your plugin on

doom without the color plugin displays overhead prayers

[glacial gate]

what plugin?

[fringe fjord]

the tutorial is your own use of the prayers

[glacial gate]

what are you talking about

[fringe fjord]

the grubs in doom have overhead prayers without some runelite plugin

the colors are vaguer without it

you mostly watch the prayers

[glacial gate]

your so handheld you need a plugin at doom to decipher what to hit the grubs w/?

shame

also wave 1 grubs have no prayers

so wait hold on

youre telling me doing the content is the tutorial?

i wonder where else that may apply 🤔

i gotta quit using doom as an example. Its pretty obv your average player is a barrows brother w/ prayer atp

[fringe fjord]

not even barrows

anyway this is a plugin it removes the prayers from the grubs and just gives them colors

[naive ore]

doom is using mostly mechanics from previous content, they even had to colorscheme crubs to make it easier to notice what style to use. But sending someone who has never done any pvm in osrs to doom is same as sending them into wilderness against good pker

[fringe fjord]

the normal doom just has those overheads so thats how anyone that has used the prayerbook would know

[glacial gate]

thats crazy close to cheating imo ill stay w/o the plugin XD

[fringe fjord]

approved plugin on runelite makes the later waves a lot easier

on your eyes at least

[glacial gate]

hmm ive done it a ton w/o but i may give it a shot see if i like it. Thanks for the info.

[fringe fjord]

theres also a loot prediction tracker so you can make yourself depressed when you go dry like me

[glacial gate]

lol good on that but still

[fringe fjord]

2.6x dry atm

[glacial gate]

This is a plugin you have to download and turnon im just saying not everything has a tutorial in game. Some things you have to go experience whats happening.
Saying previous in game encounters have trained you for doom is the same as saying they have trained you for pking imo.
You know good and well what a staff does, you know good and well what a crossbow or a sword does.

Sometimes a death is a learning experience.

Oh that sword did a lot of damage through melee prayer. Ill look it up. Oh its a voidwaker that does magic damage on spec. Now i know.

[fringe fjord]

no my point was that doom without this plugin you arent looking at colors you are looking at prayers

[glacial gate]

i also dont know of many pvm encounters that turn off your prayer, send a random attack at you, and attack the tile you were on all in the same action. But i digress.

[fringe fjord]

vorkath turns your prayers off too

theres some more I forgot

[naive ore]

yes doom is mix of mechanics from multiple different content. it is not 100% copy from a single boss

[fringe fjord]

but a lot of higher end pvm encounters have mechanics youd use in pvp

but

the average player does no higher end pvm content

so they dont have experience with either

[naive ore]

People dedicated to learning pvp can find years old decent pk guides, but majority of people do not look up guides online

[fringe fjord]

yes nothing prevents anyone from getting into pvp

except their willing level of skill expression

but the level of skill the average player wants to express

is just really damn low

[naive ore]

if they have no idea what is good guide they might follow one of the guides that doesnt even teach freeze timers or how to escape

[glacial gate]

so pking and somewhat hlc should just cease to exist or be supported? I dont get where we're going lol

[fringe fjord]

good pkers require a large pool of bad pkers

lowering the skill floor allows for more people to be bad pkers

so you basically want to make it barrows or some other boss for goldfish tier easy

without impacting the skill ceiling

bottom of wilderness isnt an issue because its filled with bots

so there being people to kill isnt the issue even if its not ideal

you dont want that layer to be bots but that is the reality

if its as easy as barrows to clap some bots for solid gp an hour then you might get the average player to do it

but theyre gonna need their autocasts with delay if needed

or some tribrid armour

[thick rover]

Lms is free

[fringe fjord]

lms doesnt train you to gank bots

[thick rover]

People just don't like losing money

[fringe fjord]

its not an issue if theres armour you dont risk shit in

the top pkers will kill the people with several keys

[winged thorn]

sounds like dead content on arrival

[thick rover]

There are also lots of ironman who gain nothing from pvp (even though they gain tremendously from wildy content)

Which is quite strange that they complain

[winged thorn]

most irons believe if jagex removed pvp from the wild tomorrrow theyd still have their lucrative strats

irons should be able to use keys to work towards bonds imo

[fringe fjord]

make them able to inn their key value in bonds

you can already use bonds on irons anyway

[winged thorn]

if someone wants to kill their alt for 100m, idk if theres a diff in that and the alt buying bonds, right?

[wide crater]

That would honstly be a super solid way to get a lot opinions swayed

[naive ore]

Irons can already get loot keys and transfer them to other account

[wide crater]

Technically true. But hes talking about ppl that main and only play irons

Take awat the necessity to have 2 accounts

Irons could get a “deaths coffer” for pk loot used as bond money

[winged thorn]

yeah i mean most ppl who dont have an alt and happen to pk something in the wild, their only option as an iron is to delete it lol

[wide crater]

We had a couple that used to pk with us. Theyd just let our noobs kill them lol

[naive ore]

most irons wont spend 1m to enable the loot keys anyway

[winged thorn]

so dont bring it into the game and hurt the irons that do? :d

:c

[wide crater]

??? Most irons that do wildy already have keys turned on loo

[fringe fjord]

test pvp updates on geriatric patients they represent the skill level of the average player

[naive ore]

irons who actively pk other players sure. that is like 0.1% of ironman player base if not less

[wide crater]

There are tons that anti pk as well

[winged thorn]

i dont actively pk on my pure and still have keys lol

iron pure*

we are trying to bridge the gap for irons

[fringe fjord]

farming bots would be a good way for them to make bonds

[fringe fjord]

maybe do it at half price of the loot + system that buys the bonds from ge

[thick rover]

The extra step of giving key to main and selling prevents inflated ge value abuse

[fringe fjord]

so it still actively removes bonds and gp from game

[wooden basin]

They really should make test servers for people to test different wilderness updates and whatever else before its sent to a poll, if not bypass polls and just added to game

[glacial gate]

gimme back khopesh 😏

[wooden basin]

Kopesh parts as drops from new wildy bosses 👀 👀 👀 👀

[glacial gate]

as much as i liked it. I don't think it'd be healthy in main game.

but it was so much fun lol

[river spindle]

I hope I'll never see that god-forsaken weapon again xD It could have potential if they opened it up for a serious rework tho

[minor aspen]

I would like to see a high tier fletching/hunter arrow that is a chinchoppa strapped to the tip

[wooden basin]

Would probably be strapped to a javelin

Or shot out of a hand cannon 👀

[glacial gate]

you're not bringing your chinator bow to next multi fight again are you zom?
You're damn right i am.

[next sequoia]

Absolutely crazy how we're at this point now.

[scarlet tree]

Been that way for a hot min

[next sequoia]

Yeah, I think ever since zombie pirates and wildy boss rework it started shifting that way. I personally think the only reason we've reached this point is because jagex is putting pvm updates that aren't designed well. Not from the fact that Pvm updates don't work, its the fact that what's been created and given is too punishing but yeah I've already stated that in here.

[scarlet tree]

Idk chaos temple doesn’t seem insanely punishing, it’s probly the only dangerous spot in multi below 30… everywhere else in multi sub 30 isn’t punishing by itself

It’s just dangerous…that’s about it

The wilderness bosses (in multi) the exit caves is the only part I think not designed super well…..boss fights are good -were lucrative- still aight…. Decent mechanics for pvm/pvp

Think the exit caves should scale dmg but honestly that’s about it….pretty solid design
Scouts make pvming there kinda free…but yeah…

[fast cradle]

morning all

[brazen fox]

Gm pvpcord

[glacial gate]

G M

[jade ledge]

Gm

[fast cradle]

just another day on this pvpless game

😄

[granite sphinx]

🙁 i do like want to play osrs but nothing to do

[fast cradle]

updates needed

🤔

whats the point in these game jams ngl

[winged thorn]

Blue ballin us

[granite sphinx]

honestly im not sure, they were cool at first but now just feels like they just throw away like 4 weeks a year doing them

[fast cradle]

suck you in then kill you with a thousand knifes

just another day at jagex HQ

[granite sphinx]

im at the point where i dont even know what the last main game update was that i enjoyed lol

[fast cradle]

revs

first introduction

[granite sphinx]

ehh its after htat for sure

[fast cradle]

before that ... BH worlds v1

[granite sphinx]

i did like bhv1 actually tbf

v2 was awful and crater just plain sucks

[jade ledge]

U could pvm (yuck) and wait for a pker to kill you. You'd contribute in populating the wildy.

[granite sphinx]

would definitely rather just not log in

[jade ledge]

Rip food chain

[minor aspen]

I’ve been playing multiplayer slay the spire 2 - just released early access. It’s pretty fun

If you enjoyed STS1 you’ll enjoy it

[granite sphinx]

food chain died when the pj timer got implemented anyway sadly :/

probably half the reason its so dead if not more

[jade ledge]

Im training slayer in the wildy and haven't really encountered mentionable amount of people so far, but when I do I hope Lord Saradomin protects me

[granite sphinx]

ye, i did the same, but after i maxed both my pure and main it was definitely just the last of the content id been enjoying

and zero reason to make a new account

[jade ledge]

I dont enjoy it, just trying to return some gp

[minor aspen]

idk if it is actually profitable, but with how many cballs and ether i use it hardly feels it 😆

[naive ore]

i think the 3 places where i saw most pkers when doing wilderness slayer was revs, zombie pirates and mammoths

if you do not include the bosses ofcourse

but nowdays i would do krystelia with turael skipping to get only good wilderness tasks. I did 100 task streak in wilderness for slayer points

[fast cradle]

wilderness slayer could do with a buff

a lot of tasks that are awful

gives little incentive to do them

on a pure or main @jade ledge

[jade ledge]

Pure, two even haha. Just making some back up pures while I have time. Slayer partnering myself for motivation

[fast cradle]

I did 1-85 slayer on pure with bursts/craws/cannon

doing wildy slayer

did 99 on main too

[naive ore]

the new separate block lists make tureal skipping for wilderness tasks better and also valid way to boost slayer points since it increases your normal task streak. The very casual players just wont do turael skipping so they have to suffer through 70% bad tasks in wilderness slayer

[fast cradle]

hide in total level worlds if you can too @jade ledge

I was 68cb with 85slayer barely got touched

got me like 95range/mage

got any ideas/support post them here @jade ledge @naive ore https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1459570532948119771

having 200QP helps alot too on a pure

[forest kraken]

Wildy slayer is incredibly good for multiple reasons

Don’t think it needs a buff at all

It’s the best pph for end game players who are farming points, great gp/hr and xp/hr and opens up some fun if you’re in a PvP clan and a pker wants to get cocky in multi

[winged thorn]

Should have more mobs

Better xp since it’s in wild & can die etc

Drop tables could be helped a bit too

But that’s just my opinion

[granite sphinx]

think if you just put decent slayer monsters out there the drop tables wouldnt need any additional help, the monsters out there just mostly suck lol

[naive ore]

Wilderness slayer is both best and and one of the worst points/h depending on your progress

if you have 6-7 blocks, cannon, boss tasks and slayer cave barrage tasks available it is very good

without blocks and boss tasks you have close to 70% chance to get a bad/slow task from krystilia. Just not sure how they could fix that since slayer cave extra loot is balanced with it being inside multi

[fast cradle]

this @forest kraken ^

also more variety added

[forest kraken]

I do agree it couod use some improvements

but I sitll think its great

but ima big wildy enjoyer and mos tpoeple are avoiders so

[naive ore]

turael skipping while boosting normal task streak makes wilderness slayer possible even without all the higher requirements but people already hate turael boosting

[fast cradle]

the risk reward factor alone as well as not really having many decent tasks @forest kraken

compare normal slayer master tasks to wilderness

the options you have are unlimited

[forest kraken]

anecdotal but I was top 5 slayer in dmm just doing wildy slayer casually

it's really good for certain things

[fast cradle]

thats dmm

not main game

[naive ore]

in dmm you could easily reach a point where you can always select your wilderness slayer task and keep doing barrage tasks with only sack risk

[forest kraken]

just the fact that you can cannon mammoths and similar tasks from lvl 1 is insane

what other tasks are you doing at level 1 slayer

like 17 bats at turael?

[fast cradle]

loads.

bad example

someone whos done 99 slayer pre-eoc and osrss

and 99 slayer on a pure

[forest kraken]

I've also done all those things

but my points still tands

there are some great tasks

[fast cradle]

sure, but there are also awful tasks with no option to do an alternative

[forest kraken]

yeah you either rough it out to hit the streak to start geting points or you can turael skip the really bad ones

like I said I ahree through it could use a rework

it's definitely not meta

but for me its had its uses

and i really enjoy it

[fast cradle]

also it lacks actual slayer monsters

[forest kraken]

why does krystillia even assign bloodvelds

like whos actually doing a fll task of those

some tasks are mega cringe

[fast cradle]

any ideas post here ritzy

GWD dungeon

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1459570532948119771

[forest kraken]

it was rhetorical

[fast cradle]

fair enough

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1459570532948119771/1469374133547827322/Wilderness_Slayer_Cave_map.png?ex=69afa28d&is=69ae510d&hm=3f2d9e7d19c31d9b331a879892fa1950d84a33bccfbf389a0bc580d2665b846e&

even a little expansion like this would be ideal

@crystal eagle

E.T.A on any wilderness updates ? game jam ?

[latent relic]

It would need to be polled first

[fast cradle]

and we all know how that goes down

😄

polling any pvp content gets nuked soon as it hits polls everyone knows it @latent relic

pointless even polling them

wahh wilderness me no want go wilderness me vote no

😄

[latent relic]

maybe it can be a game integrity change. We already have rev caves so it's not new content being added just reworking existing content

[fast cradle]

revs got nuked and never replaced

the only way you truly fix revs is just reverse the nerf

and the singles+ stuff which wasn't polled

dumb as f

[latent relic]

I'm fine with the game jam that Mod Manked put out for it

I think it's a good step and could be done in a way that it probably doesn't need to even get polled

[fast cradle]

just think its too much to not be polled

[latent relic]

Nah no new drops just remaking the caves to include a section that's multi and adding different entrances and exits

Drop rates stay the same and no new drops

[fast cradle]

cave layout looks aidss

from what i remember

[latent relic]

It's not new content just rework of the cave layout

I'm fine with it and really like the new entrance and exits in multi and the added spot by mage bank

[fast cradle]

wilderness bosses were fine as they were = nerfd , revs = nerfd, singles was the problem.

[latent relic]

Would bring more fights to annakarl and lava dragons

[fast cradle]

too much ddosing in singles due to risk

and the pj timer

[latent relic]

How you getting ddosed in a singles fight

[fast cradle]

dunno ask those who died for max

😄

[latent relic]

There is no p2p communication with runescape

[fast cradle]

rot vs frontline was prime example

no communication between jagex and wilderness at all

its a free for all

😄

curious as to whats the point in this channel, or game suggestions

actual jagex employees don't pay any attention to them

😄

[fast cradle]

bottomless pit of pointlessness

[latent relic]

The channel is a place for people to discuss PvP.

Don't need jagex to chat here for us to have that

[fast cradle]

same in game suggestions tbh theres no communication

[winged thorn]

This channel wasn’t made for jaggy to read nor take our discussions serious

It was manly bc there wasn’t any channel for PvP discussion at all that the chan was added

[fast cradle]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1480583231366631574

there we go

[glacial gate]

add tormented demons and demonic gorillas

add the real slayer tasks

make em dangerous

[wooden basin]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1472099085707378910

[jade ledge]

True, and I think mod Blossom mentioned that this channel will be reviewed at first (idk when) to see if it works for all parties. Afterwards suggest/decide expansions if needed (#1420260286929047654 message).

[naive ore]

pins have message about this channel but pins could not load earlier because of discord issue

[next sequoia]

I really hate the caves layout in general. I'd rather them re-design it or just add those npc's around the wilderness somehow

[winged thorn]

Caves are really janky. Probably helpful for the pvmer, but unneeded nowadays with wildy player alarm

[naive ore]

they want to have corners and short-cuts so people who do not fight back get chance to escape. if they update the cave you can expect them to connect half the new rooms to multiple side with pathways or shortcuts

for solo pkers it is for sure annoying and teams need to split up to come from multiple sides

[next sequoia]

Bro. The caves the way they are now do no favors for the pvmers trust me. No chance to escape.

If they get teleblocked, they have to face tank the entire clan through the whole caves.

[naive ore]

yes cannot survive large teams or clans. 1-3 players there is chance to escape

[next sequoia]

Its even still multi outside the caves, if by some miracle you make it out

[naive ore]

still the chance of escaping 1-3 pkers is significantly lowered if they remove all walls

like there is a reason why players also love to use the revenant cave agility shortcuts when escaping

[safe glade]

This channel was created from suggestions in there btw

[winged thorn]

Yeah, no one is saying to remove all the corners. I think they help the pvmer. But, wildy player alarm is egregious. No need for corners if your screen flashes when I’m 2 minimaps away

One has to give to the other imo

[winged thorn]

This channel was created when my boy @granite sphinx started saying gm pvp cord in #game-update 😂

[wide crater]

This, if there is gonna be no tele delay, the people afking should be punished, and the ones that tele should have to pay attention. Shouldnt be able to afk in wildy and just escape immediately imo

[winged thorn]

I think punish is a strong word, it just makes escaping even more braindead

[wide crater]

By punished i just meant pkd lol

[winged thorn]

Yeah that’s fair, not sure what I was thinking lol. Read too fast maybe

Could you imagine the flood of downvotes for trying to garner support to remove wildy player alarm lol