pvp-discussion

[rustic apex]

thats because its competitive

pvm youre competiting with no one but yourself

thing is, most casuals dont have competitive nature this is a comfort cookie clicker game to them

[uneven path]

when does dmm start on friday? or where can I look that up

[rustic apex]

Yes

[winged thorn]

12pm Noon if you are EST

[minor aspen]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1465351715946758197

Here’s the channel, didn’t show up on my feed until i added it through a link

[winged thorn]

there are def less bots in wild

[glacial gate]

im gonna go scout zombie pirates on 10 worlds right now.

ill document my findings

[winged thorn]

those had the med req already l0l

ohhh

i seeee

[glacial gate]

just bot checkin lol

that shits mad infested

no way world 1 is empty

2 empty

3 empty

okay yeah.

no point to keep hopping there i saw 2 people in 10 worlds

[charred thistle]

East green dragons still poppin?

[granite sphinx]

i gotta say after just logging in for the day

bank layout looks proper awful

[granite sphinx]

also yikes

[granite sphinx]

i hope not, man i got dbones to merch

[next comet]

Back to being dead content

[winged thorn]

https://i.imgur.com/x2F1Jl5.png absolute unit found where he shouldnt have been

[pliant dome]

Nice score. I don’t understand the Ferocious Gloves lol. I would’ve opted for Barrows Gloves myself but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[granite sphinx]

what was blud doin?

[winged thorn]

rly dont know tbh. extra risk for no reason

[winged thorn]

just hangin around ig!

we def eat those tho

[granite sphinx]

in multi?

[winged thorn]

yerp

was in a singles barrows max set dickin around somewhere he shouldnt have been l0l

[granite sphinx]

it do be that way sometimes icl

about to go make some bad decisions myself rn 😈

[inner dew]

this is incredible i just had to share it

[rustic apex]

how am i to do wildy elites to enter wildy without my wildy elite done.

[inner dew]

just do it ✔

[granite sphinx]

booger helm for his scepter while he called me mean names

no gifs 🙁

im jaja'ing tho let it be known

[winged thorn]

😭

[rose needle]

I have seen some strats involving changing names for dmm to make it harder for callouts in multi 🤣

[granite plume]

Ilillliliii

[rose needle]

yeah haha

[thick rover]

holy it exists

pvp channel

[jovial bay]

Yess :]

[tribal tusk]

Can we talk about runelite plugins in here or na?

[inner dew]

dont see y not

[tribal tusk]

I'm curious if anyone has checked out their rank on pvp leaderboard, or heard about it tbh

[rose needle]

What do u guys think of removing the anglerfish overheal restriction in wildy that prevents overheal if youve been in combat recently

[tribal tusk]

Honestly I'm fine having it overheal, you generally angler -> brew anyways if you're thinking you might get hit. It doesn't really effect gameplay towards the upper end of skill level at all

[halcyon finch]

it's only for blighted anglers. wildy is already so safe so I say leave it as is

[inner dew]

not a huge fan of overheals in general but less things being different in pvp/wildy the better

[haughty wren]

Skill issue

[hushed girder]

are quest complete rewards in DMM giving the xp from those quests?

[inner pond]

no

if you're talking about auto-completing quests

[hushed girder]

no like the fremmy storyline unlock reward.
Do we get like 50k slayer xp?

[inner pond]

you don't get the XP for completing quests if you unlock the storylines through the skull shop

[hushed girder]

ok

[inner pond]

btw #dmm-annihilation would be a better channel for this if you have more questions

[brazen fox]

Don’t rly agree with it

If u wanna be safe then brew and take the reduced stats

[minor aspen]

I had to go through a link and then opt in to see the dmm channel, maybe people are having a hard time finding it? Some other people asked dmm questions here earlier too

[charred thistle]

Its hard to find new channels on discord in general since it hides everything by default iirc

[gilded flame]

Me because it's annoying and always wastes my anglerfish

[fringe crag]

Multi is completely dead after the Callisto changes 100+ of us are not renewing our memberships

[errant cedar]

jagex will dearly miss 0.00001% of the playerbase

[fringe crag]

Old school was pretty much founded and revived because of old school pking, think it’s just moved to appeasing pvm the whole time

Limit worlds and push people together

[granite sphinx]

maybe one day we'll finally get updates to the wildy 😭

[neat hearth]

Bruh the wildy medium diaries have next to no requirements…..

[winged thorn]

This seems pretty out of touch considering they host DMM fairly often. On top of that, unofficial RS servers that are PvP heavy (that are thriving) would prove there’s a market for it :]

Thank you for contributing to #pvp-discussion nonetheless

[errant cedar]

i was making a joke about his 100 buddies

ofc pvp is somewhat relevant overall

[winged thorn]

“Joke” is parroted enough that it’s not seen as a joke by us, the pvp enjoyers

My apologies

[errant cedar]

all g king

[languid oracle]

Medium diaries are extremely easy and if this change has made it so Callisto is entirely dead...then most of the people you were fighting were bots.
Callisto remains the best place to do clue scrolls and get uniques, so it is very unlikely any real players camping it would have been put off my medium diaries.

[fringe crag]

They were not bot perhaps gold farmers, but there is a food chain and it bought activity to the wild in multi which friends clan and discord and brings other multi fights

If there is nothing at the bottom of the food chain lots of us don’t want to hop through 100’s of worlds for activity

[minor aspen]

I don't mind increase of barrier of entry, I just care how they do it. I think the barrier should be risk of player death, not risk of skilling 🙂

“How can we make this place somewhere players want to be?"

if this is going to be their multi hot spot for the forseeable future this just makes it harder to do with your friends

like if i want to invite people to come play the game and pvp, i now have to tell them they gotta add on a bunch of skilling too

and that's lame

[languid oracle]

Unfortunately they've really done a bad job at making anywhere players want to be in the Wildy outside of the chaos altar
If an update to a Wildy multi spot that asks for base line skills to access is now dead after an update that only added a few hour grind to access, then players simply don't want to be there and were only there because it had no requirements.

[minor aspen]

yeah, it wasn't good before, and it's not any better for pvp after the update. it's just kind of what we have for multi pvp at the moment

that and rogues chests, which is more bot reliant i think

[charred thistle]

Its kind of weird to make PKers be sudo irons.
Wish the requirements were on being eligible to get drops from the bosses not enter.

[languid oracle]

Is it?
If you want access to something you have to have the stats and requirements needed to enter the area the content is at
I don't think that's asking for them to be pseudo irons at all

[brazen fox]

Wym 100+ of u don’t have med diary?

[granite sphinx]

They shoulda just let you bypass the diary req if you’re skulled and called it a day

[languid oracle]

The bots are already doing the content with dmaces as their +1
It'd be better for the bots to just lose that than tank more bans training for meds

[winged thorn]

Yep it has completely killed any type of new pk experience

Brand new pker who just hit 80 str on his pure going to wildy for the first time

Nowhere to go now l0l

[jade ledge]

That person can wait at 30 lines for mains to flush the caves

[charred thistle]

Oh boy waiting at the 30 line while your friends have fun

Might as well sit in the closet with your superman outfit

[snow atlas]

Bitchin about it in the other channel. But like would people vote yes for actual 2v2 or 3v3 content for pvp? Its always fun to watch in like gg

[winged thorn]

You want like a minigame?

Clans already do this themselves just unofficially & most times it starts at 5v5

[snow atlas]

Yeah probably, but like an official way to do that, elo system (big ask) minor supply reimbursement could be cool too

[winged thorn]

Clan wars exists for this purpose

An elo would be cool addition I guess

Most clans already don’t want to fight (and lose) against rivals

Personally I’d rather just see meaningful updates to the wild

Rather than another minigame that removes ppl from wild

But that’s just me

[snow atlas]

Thats probably fair

I just think no limits multi is rough, but i have no clue on implementation

[winged thorn]

No limits multi?

[jade ledge]

Glad raid 4 requires WGS so pures arent lured from the wildy

[snow atlas]

As in, a team of 30 can pile whoever

[stark bough]

i have a question i'm afraid to ask is this a safe space

[winged thorn]

Oh

That’s a hot take in here with some (me included) l0l

Please don’t change my wild

[winged thorn]

I’m rdy beast

[stark bough]

is odablock a good pker

[snow atlas]

Well hence prob a minigame lol

It is a hot take, but its also just unexplored

[winged thorn]

I’d say he’s pretty good

[winged thorn]

Yea the team thing we are seeing for DMM could have a place in the main game

But idk how you’d implement

[snow atlas]

Agreed, not a game dev, implementation would be very tricky

Like limit how many diff accounts you can attack in a span of time. Or some how "link" a duo or trio team.

Honestly 2v2 would be the least annoying thing to queue for but implementation that is abuse proof is uh, probably a nightmare

[halcyon finch]

This sounds like pvp arena v2

[snow atlas]

I mean. Thats a conversation

[jade ledge]

Isnt this like cw

[snow atlas]

Cw is big teams man

Besides player organized shit, theres nowhere you and a buddy can just get a fair 2v2 or whatever. Thats really weird for a game with pvp in it

[winged thorn]

Ok, but what’s a “fair” 2v2 to you?

You do realize that PvP is inherently unfair, right?

[snow atlas]

You fighting 2 other people with no chance that another set of people pile on u

[winged thorn]

So fair as in no 3rd party

[snow atlas]

Yes? Bh for example or 1v1s at ge are closer to fair?

[winged thorn]

Skill level / gap & gear will always make PvP unfair. A lot of Reddit & ppl who hate on PvP think a “fair fight” is where ppl who want to engage in PvP, do so, fairly

I get what you mean though, you’re looking for strict 2v2 matchmaking

That would be pog

[snow atlas]

I mean sure, that can be said of of any game tho, go queue unranked in a fighting game, or moba, etc and theres unfairness to an extent. I think you know what im getting at overall tho

[winged thorn]

I do yes! But I had to make sure I knew what kind of fair you meant

[snow atlas]

Its just not something i even see demand for which is like, odd to me i guess

Like every other game has it if its a format where multi fights are a thing

Obviously like tekken isnt gonna have 2v2s but

[winged thorn]

Like a loot extractor almost but really just no loot no extract just PvP

[glacial gate]

hes a lot better than me LOL

[stark bough]

i have no gauge of skill for pvpers

[inner dew]

if they know when pid changes they are prob top tier

[halcyon finch]

I wouldnt say all that lol

[glacial gate]

Knowledge goes a long way.
Fast clicks do too.
Properly flicking tank between attacks, predicting attack styles. Trying to find openings to melee/range on robes.
RNG.
Lotta factors truly.

[simple zealot]

anyone know why my freeze was done in like 4 game ticks?

[halcyon finch]

u have freeze immunity after being frozen

it's like 15 ticks i think

[simple zealot]

that was the first freeze I landed on him

[halcyon finch]

ohh u break the freeze if u move more than 10 tiles away

[simple zealot]

ooh

ty

[halcyon finch]

np

[glacial gate]

nice name

[simple zealot]

thx goat

[granite sphinx]

man i dont wanna wait all the way til noon tomorrow im just tryina dmm now

[latent relic]

Could do duo LMS or duo PvP arena but I don't know how popular it would be over singles.

I'm generally not a fan of finding more ways to thin the PvP community from the activities we currently have. BH and PvP worlds already take away from the wildy making it harder to find fights.

[snow atlas]

I get what your saying for sure, best integrated into wildy, but then you have the point that people don't want any changes there

[gentle stone]

when u run out of distance the freeze ends

ooh it was answered nvm

[brazen fox]

Organise it if u know ppl

But ye it’s gna be hard to find in the wild

Pun intended

Also gm pvpcord

[glacial gate]

wildy so dead at night right now big sadge

[halcyon finch]

If anyone can drop some 1-5m risk sets in here would be greatly appreciated

Ancients or normals NH main

[latent relic]

Do you have ancient ice sceptre?

[next comet]

uhhh pvpbros?

[granite sphinx]

no wayyy we actually get content

[next comet]

inb4 another wildy boss rework

[granite sphinx]

i mean the rework literally just needs to be remove the escape caves entirely lol

so hopefully that isnt it

[minor aspen]

I don’t know how i should feel

[granite sphinx]

copium is exactly how ive felt for 3 years

might finally be our time

but at least we FINALLY get dmm today lol

something to actually do in the game

[minor aspen]

The thing is, when i see “project” i think they are developing new content, when I wish they would adjust what’s already there

[granite sphinx]

yea i def feel you there

cuz its clear whats there rn doesnt really work, but project might encompass reworks too

[minor aspen]

Instead of throwing out products, work out quality things that work

[granite sphinx]

but like if it IS actually WBR 3.0 thats kinda depressing

cuz it wasnt good when it got implemented last time, so like what makes we think we wont just mess it up again then leave it for 2-3 more years in that state lol

[minor aspen]

Yeah it needs to have dedicated time over the span of a year or something to develop properly maybe, like x hours a month spent analyzing and adjusting.

Best thing to do might be delete it 🙂

[halcyon finch]

Na i dont is it actually worth it? I thought parchmenting got expensive

[latent relic]

Depends on what you want to risk

[next comet]

Bloodbark set, ahrim staff, ring of shadows with dcb, ags and goddhides is like 2mish risk on ancients. Add b ring i and its 6m risk

[halcyon finch]

Ah yeah that sounds good, r god hides really worth it? I thought about bringing c shield, you would need a mage book swap tho right or is barraging with c shield fine?

I feel like its really hard to get kos with just ags, i considered arkan/vw idk if thats good though

Also where are good places to pk now a days for a noob ive been hearing spindel is good

[next comet]

I rock it if im in that risk myself for the extra def bonus but black dhide is ok too. I would definitely bring a book swap, maging w crystal shield is ass

I only use vw if I have lightbearer myself. I spend a lot of time hopping outside high altar these days, the bots seem to be gone from wildy bosses so there might not be much activity there. Maybe north revs is worth a shot too, majority of the pvmers are very tanky though

[halcyon finch]

I wanted to hunt pvmers and maybe fight the occasional pker if i see them i feel like those hot spots are always overrun with demons xd

Could give it a shot tho

[loud nebula]

Any1 have a guide for a bracket 1 build for dmm

[granite sphinx]

these are the stats im goin for i dont have like a step by step guide tho

[flint valley]

Didn't even realize we finally got this channel, hell yeah

[weak herald]

max level bracket or no balls

🗣️

[granite sphinx]

Absolutely not

That bracket so unfun

[loud nebula]

why not go 50 atk 70 str, 1 def 65 hp, 43 pray, 80rangemage

[granite sphinx]

Initially was for potentially sulfur blades cuz idk if melee sigil is still busted or not, used to proc like 20 damage on hit since its two weps but they mighta fixed that

But I don’t plan on meleeing a lot anyway so I think the 5% extra mage and range prayers are more worth than a little str

[loud nebula]

id think if gmaul is ur spec wep u want the most value out of it no?

is there no unlock for us to get arkan blade?

[granite sphinx]

Eh not really planning on using gmaul as a spec weapon

[loud nebula]

its my first dmm so what are you doing with 50 atk then?

[granite sphinx]

May as well have it just in case lol

Doesn’t affect the build so if I need melee for pvm or something least I can use blades

[iron thistle]

I thought 60 is straight better. Dds is king of NH pure fights.

Edit: Nvm, 60 bracket your str will be too low anyways.

[loud nebula]

ya and its a cheap spec till u get morg weps

[loud nebula]

do you know if there is an unlock to finish the quests that give arkan blade

[iron thistle]

Not from what I can tell https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Deadman:_Annihilation/Skull_shop

[loud nebula]

sad

[simple zealot]

erm does anyone know what time DMM starts?

[jade ledge]

1 min

[edgy harness]

quick dmm question: hey if i wanna make money in dmm for money in main where should i go to facilitate and doe it brake osrs tos?

[jade ledge]

I've been told to swap at your own risk (so accept getting scammed or accept getting falsely banned by the system)

[minor aspen]

https://discordapp.com/channels/324132423636090880/1465351715946758197 you could try asking in this channel too

[vale parrot]

what are the rules around setting a bounty on someone's head

[open grove]

none

people put bounties on accs all the time even in main

[simple zealot]

can I buy multiple of the same sigil in DMM?

would there be any reason to do that?

[jade ledge]

@granite sphinx

Hint: mammoths

[torn nacelle]

How much is Statius platelegs going for? Got one as a drop

[loud nebula]

how the heck do i make money early

[inner dew]

i heard only merchers buying them and u suppose to wait a day or 2 to sell those

[modest crystal]

anyone know hm vestas pl8skirt going for on dmm?

[torn nacelle]

Ty

[brazen fox]

https://prices.runescape.wiki/dmm/

[worldly sequoia]

Is it intentional that i cant complete the ardougne elite because heroes are only in guarded zones

[bitter sage]

Have made a note, will see whether or not we can autocomplete that task for next week's update

[covert seal]

any updates on the accounts that were bugged on login? I don't have any of the varlamore quests done, my stats are wonky in a high a** bracket and it's pretty much impossible to play rn...

[lofty drift]

hey guys im new to pvp trying snare in dmm rn, what is wrong with this spell
it doesnt last more then one game tick when it says it freezes for 9.6 second
i see the entangle animation and everything
do i just need ancients since thats what i get hit by and it definitely freezes effectively unlike snare but id like to know why

[languid oracle]

If you run more than 10 tiles from your target it instantly breaks

[lofty drift]

ohhh okay so get ancients

[jade ledge]

same applies for ancients

[languid oracle]

Any sort of bind or freeze works the same way

[winged thorn]

Yep, has nothing to do with normals / ancients

[worldly sequoia]

Ty!

[loud nebula]

Whats better for 3-60 cb u guys think, 4 tick mage or 4 tick range for 5k points

[keen ember]

can you participate in breaches with PvP protection? I know you cant loot/attack chest bosses, but are breaches the same?

[pine hemlock]

Yes you just can't pick up other people's drops I believe

[granite plume]

dam people are so rude to you if you kill them whilst they're pickpocketing varlamore people

[loud nebula]

does locking xp in dmm prevent quest xp

[thin walrus]

anyone else losing points from logging out / hopping worlds?

[inner dew]

saw ppl saying that but didnt see any explanations why/how

[misty dune]

Pleasseeeee Gagex make there a 1 defence dharok armour pleaseeeeee

Ghostly Dharoks

[minor aspen]

watching people freeze log in dmm vids

[inner dew]

swagger

[lilac marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/runescape-old-school-pvp-gif-12570053660015442409

[lament verge]

Whats the first part of the combo?

[minor aspen]

looks like ice bltz animation to me

[hollow urchin]

hey im looking for dmm cc's

[jade ledge]

I didnt test out pj timer, but ig there is just like wildy?

[candid cradle]

Any good builds for 2nd bracket DMM for a brand new pvper? (Already have 50 attack and 20 def)

[jade ledge]

75 atk pure in the main game comes to "pk" in DMM, yeah let me just unnote my food non stop. PKer writes "bored" and disappears

[inner dew]

i thought spamming knives countered the bank standing, maybe not anymore or ppl are just too quick?

[jade ledge]

Idk I've been able to bank several times

[inner dew]

pj timer is dirty in dmm u can just dump spec on ppl then tp away

[minor aspen]

Dmm map made me realize how few multi spots there are throughout the game

(Red)

I wonder if expansion multi in dmm would make it more competitive

Maybe because im only seeing streamer povs, it’s all just singles fights

[inner dew]

they have strayed too far away from the original dmm

u get 60 second immunity from pvp on kills, that plus pj timer kinda breaks everything

they need to embrace clanmanmode and work around it not try to force it to be something else

[inner dew]

the streamer version has bank keys, not sure about the immunity stuff but i assume not that either

and separate rewards from multi pvp there too which makes sense

maybe lower punishments for dying in multi areas would make sense for main dmm (but might be confusing when fights move to and from multi/singles)

[minor aspen]

Yeah it’s interesting how the structure ends up that way. Like clanning can’t exist in the current framework, even group content to an extent. For example, clanning got destroyed in the wilderness. And now it seems clans are being sidelined in dmm also, according to your observation as well (I don’t play dmm)

It probably has a lot to do with the player base too, many people want to play and do things by themselves. But it’s an mmo. We will probably never see a raid that actually needs and benefits from large number of participants because of Ironman mode mindset taking over the space

[inner dew]

they could just make the entire wildy multi i guess would be one way since then it would be clear where multi starts (i think some1 else mentioned this earlier)

[inner dew]

i think its mainly cos u no longer have risk even as a pker, once u get ur one kill u just go and bank the loot safely. in 2015 dmm u had to hide for like 30 minute before u can open the keys

besides the gear on u, which is just regular wildy rules (minus protect item)

[minor aspen]

Yeah there’s a set of players that really love that type of danger and adventure that the game isn’t for anymore it seems

[inner dew]

but even in deep wildy u cant insta tp out. whereas alot of dmm pk happens in places u can. so its easier in some scenarios

not instant tp, but u can tp before another person can pj u so effectively safe

[inner dew]

yeah ice poseidon doing tank tests for fun with streamsnipers was hilarious to me

before dmm launch he would try to go from one falador bank to the other xD

one of the better dmm changes is probably cracking down on safezone skilling, like cant pickpocket

though they could probably make an exception for early game tbh like cake stall

assuming thats blocked

[minor aspen]

Nice. I noticed gear progression is quite quicker, maybe because more players farming stuff as well as deadman chests spawning a lot of “rares”, i imagine most people will gear up quickly even without much help

[sinful rune]

need jmod help softlocked in rogues castle dmm

[pliant dome]

What happened?

[languid oracle]

He's pushed into the wall by a chest

Keeps happening to people above 30 wildy

Can't attack or be attacked, can't tele out

So he's soft locked until a JMod manually saves him

[pliant dome]

I need their RSN

[languid oracle]

iuseipad
He posted on Reddit 13 hours ago lol I recognized the location

[sinful rune]

yeah thats me

[sinful rune]

ign iuseipad

[pliant dome]

I’ll get back to you

[worldly sigil]

anyone know what quest lamp unlocks cabin fever?

[thorn berry]

Sheesh

[golden brook]

Hey, is it you that is stuck or are you trying to get help for someone else?

[sinful rune]

its me

[red pasture]

Has anyone heard anything about the loss of points on logout?

[pliant dome]

I’ve heard of it. You may find more folks to talk to about this in #dmm-annihilation

[vapid lynx]

Yeah i have lost points on logout

[opaque plover]

Can anyone help me with monkey room rq

Why i cant one shot brawlers with eye of ayak?

Sorry i thought this was pvm

[granite sphinx]

Pheasant, just curious if this solve would also fix the current people underlogging chests and being unhittable, unless you also underlog the chest too?

[golden brook]

Don't have the knowledge of how the fix is going to work to be able to answer that question, sorry

[granite sphinx]

no worries, curious if they also knew it was an issue or not lol

annoying to have to have raggers go in there and bolt people off the chest after world hopping lol

[safe marten]

Good Afternoon PVPcord

[minor aspen]

Wyrd

#makethewildernesscompetitiveagain

#manuporclanup

[granite sphinx]

gm pvpers

[jade ledge]

Hi pVPeRS

[real spindle]

I finally finished my b1 ruinous build for glacies

only to find out it cant hit players and the wiki was wrong

[granite sphinx]

whats that look like? build wise?

[real spindle]

72 range/mage 91 prayer 57 hp

spent 4mil dmm on dragon bones

fuming rn

[forest shuttle]

hi is it planned to refund points to those who got top 100 at breaches but didn’t make top 16?

[lofty drift]

Playing dmm and I'm noticing that people are shooting me while running. I can never get out of their range unless I cc them

Is this a change for dmm or am I crazy cause I'm main game if u shoot if feel like u lose a tick or tile worth of space but in dmm u don't?

[wooden nimbus]

anyone know a good friendchat to find non multi breachs on dmm?

[inner dew]

thats usually referred to as 'gap'

idk how it happens exactly

[wooden basin]

If you continuously move your character and dont let him stop when you shoot you shouldn't get gapped

You dont let someone drag you, you have to actively click

[languid oracle]

DMM it is working differently than main game he's not wrong

I noticed it earlier pking

If you're attacking someone with a ranged weapon you don't have to manually path at all

Just afk and you keep in range and never get gapped

You stay your attack distance away from the person running at max

[pliant dome]

87-22 stack lol

[bright igloo]

Anyone b2 pking?

[halcyon finch]

That is broken if true lol

[winged thorn]

That’s how it always works lol

[languid oracle]

I was just conveying it's definitely not true for DMM that you get gapped while ranging
I don't often just afk chase people ranging them in main game lmao

[winged thorn]

o7

[next comet]

dayum they nerfed the shit out of multi revs

in dmm

[minor aspen]

how did they do it?

[glacial gate]

dmm is a stupid amount of fun

[minor aspen]

Nice, what bracket you playing? With team, clan or solo?

[glacial gate]

4, team.

clan

[visual monolith]

did i cook myself going melee in the 60 bracket for DMM, doing breaches everything is dead before I even get to slap it... I'm making barely any points. Not sure what to do now lol

[split temple]

This has probably been covered before but how are people getting points at breaches? People talk about getting thousands of points and each one I'm getting maybe 300. I'm trying to tag bosses asap and stay on them, but they all melt so fast I might get 1-2 hits before it's dead. And then it feels like just a game of luck for how high you hit.

[visual monolith]

i feel like the mobs should have their hp's quadrupled lol

[bright igloo]

anyone for b2 pking?

[open grove]

you gotta go multi breaches

on less populated worlds

they tend to get cleared out by clans at the 12 minute mark (so leave early if you care about items)

but you get a lot of points since they're so much emptier

Buffing up your main combat style's level helps a ton too

Magic is suprisingly good since some breach enemies are immune to other styles but nothing is magic immune

[split temple]

Thank you!

[dawn sand]

any place to find a group for multi brerach?

[urban kettle]

Hey i have a quick question about pking in general.

I used to pk at 44's and at chins years back.
Now im getting back into osrs and pking.

Are the people ill fight in deep wildy just as good as the ones i meet in lms with 10k-20k lms points? Some of them seem cracked.

I can hold my own in lms, but the ones i fight when there's only 2-4 players left are just way better.

I wont be risking more than 2-5m at first, so ill pick my fights carefully of course.

[ocean gate]

nah if people are in low risk, there are a lot of noobs in the wildy still

all the cracked guys are in max risk

so they wont bother fighting u anyway

[urban kettle]

okay great, ty. WHere do you recommend i go at first?

Like, where would i be able to find pkers my skill level ish

[ocean gate]

honestly pking calvarion, spindel, calvarion at beginning is really nice gp

and youll ocasionally come across noob pkers ur lvl

chaos altar as well has noobish ppl

from memory i think its w305 in rev caves that has the sweats

but every other world in there is not as bad

but revs near dragons has a bit higher lvl pkers than the other spots

[urban kettle]

Sounds good. Ill check out the new wildy bosses, I havent been there yet

What about low level revs?

[ocean gate]

yeah low level revs up to like where the orcs are also full of noobs

[urban kettle]

perfect

[ocean gate]

honestly i wouldnt mind trying dragon revs later on as well, still some noobs up there, especially with ur risk

coz then u can use ice barrage and nh other pvpers there since its above 30 lvl wildy

the other ones u need to be on normals spellbook

even with the singles wildy bosses u need to be ion normals

[urban kettle]

alr, ill try to find some at the wildy bosses first, then ill move up to revs when i gain the courage

appreciate it

[ocean gate]

no worries bro gl

[minor aspen]

World 304 chaos altar will have people too

[real spindle]

How does umbras vow work? Just tested against a friend, and neither his defense level or defense bonuses were reduced
@idle fog

[inner dew]

maybe it rounds down so u have to do atleast 20 dmg? guess

[glossy oxide]

yeah didnt Jagex's blog say ruinous powers would work against players? kinda crap that it doesn't.

[haughty wren]

They’re reducing the number of low level Deadman worlds? Aren’t those always rammed?

[umbral sentinel]

Breaches were already an overcrowded mess that was unplayable without entity hider, surely reducing the number of worlds will help that.

[winged thorn]

Yeah I mean they’ve done this in years past. The game mode slowly loses players & they remove worlds to entice PvP engagement

(In the PvP game mode)

[fading tiger]

Worlds are reduced, but breach NPC hp is increased + allocation to 100 players rather than 16, so should still feel good

[crude turret]

Hi I’m looking for a clan 3-60 dead man mode.

Any one help me out????

[rich phoenix]

Does consistency increase scythe damage by 1 or by 3?

[rich phoenix]

Assuming the target is large enough for triple hit ofcourse

[minor aspen]

I think about the msb a lot, such a fun ranged weapon. can't wait to use it with new arrows. hook us up with an ornament kit too gagex

[lethal juniper]

Any know a beginner pk setup

[pliant dome]

Depends on your stats

[lethal juniper]

Attack 70 str 73 def 60

Im just asking

[minor aspen]

Salad(xerician) robes for mage, black d hide + cbow, dds to spec. Can decide if you want a +1 depending on where you’re pking

[inner dew]

do PK bots beat oda yet

the last vid he fought one was a while ago

[narrow citrus]

Are obby pures still a thing?

[wooden basin]

I think most pkers understand the loopholes to pk bots. I think poisoned dragon knives are their ultimate weakness because they dont know how to pray against them

[inner dew]

so no crazy ones that adapt to ppls playstyles?

[wooden basin]

Not that im aware of

[narrow citrus]

Is low level PVP busy at all?

[inner dew]

f2p and bounty hunter probably

u can use warhammers with 1 attack for a while so idk if ppl do obby or just do warhammers

[narrow citrus]

Ahh ok

I miss the low level like sub 40 pvp

[wooden basin]

Yeah i think pures and low lvl pking still kicking

[inner dew]

dmm has lvl 60 pures world right now

[narrow citrus]

Yeah I was thinking about making something. Just not sure if it’s to late

[inner dew]

so alot might be there... but also it might die off if pl lvl up

[winged thorn]

Day 5/6 of a 3 week tourny, you got lots of time

[narrow citrus]

Fair ty

[halcyon finch]

They do exist but theyre super private

[winged thorn]

I think they’ve been replaced by another OP build for BH

But they’re sick tbh, I’ve always had a soft spot for those & the lvl 35 dfs tanks

[drowsy citrus]

Hey guys, where might one start when I have zero knowledge at all of PVP? I'd love to get to a position where I can at least hold my own against PKers but i'm very hopeless rn

[wooden basin]

LMS is free practice with a variety of set ups. If you join a half decent clan, they probably go on pk trips which makes it a bit easier to learn in a group. Singles is different thank multi though

You could always practice hunting bots at vet or rogues castle. Theres also big clans you can try to look for to join that do lots of multi

[drowsy citrus]

Cheers, I'll start with LMS, thanks :D

[minor aspen]

Watch some YouTube as well, like “pking basics” or something

[wooden basin]

Messiah has a few good ones idk how anyone feels about him

[minor aspen]

Maybe if gagex restores a certain pvp multi hotspot or creates another one I would take you on a trip but they don’t exist rn :)))

https://youtu.be/mlB_svUd9fU?si=Cc4XNm9BtXVpGx5S

This ones not bad

He made one for pures too

[winged thorn]

Start with LMS just to familiarize yourself with basic mechanics then I’d hit wildy in a super cheap set looking to hunt whatever I can find

Just expect to die while learning :]

& to die again when you think learned

[fringe fjord]

When f2p bh world

Could have corrupted dragon stuff as reward like we used to have in 2010

[minor aspen]

larrans key price going up, is someone planning another 100k larran chest opening vid xd

[wooden nimbus]

any1 know if you can bring trinkets into cg? prolly not but figured I would ask

curious specfic about the thrall one

[wooden basin]

No

[minor aspen]

this guy had an interesting setup

[latent aurora]

If I wanted to get started with learning LMS so I can work on greenlogging that part of collection log, what would some good resources for that be (videos, sites, discord servers)?

[halcyon finch]

Ditterbitter has a good lms guide on youtube

[rose needle]

Id rather not watch any of that guy considering semi recent events

[minor aspen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyMCqihnewk

this one is short and succint

[languid oracle]

Rhys also much better

[violet kelp]

erm its actually Rice, Oda confirmed his name

[inner dew]

pj timer + grace timer protecting pkers from pkers

feel like most the changes just do the opposite of whatever the intention was

bracket worlds just screw over anyone who didnt make this specific pure build etc

pures are maxed pkers insanely fast because no fear of mains

[languid oracle]

Smiting a fucking slayer helm from an ironman is hilarious

Why on Earth was he using a slayer helm at Vet'ion

[minor aspen]

skeleton task?

[languid oracle]

But salve ei exists and is free

[minor aspen]

true but kinda annoying to get back if lost above 20 wild

if u dont have imbues

but maybe its quicker nowadays havent messed w that in ages

[winged thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1328495344543203392.webp?size=160&animated=true

back to cave horrors

[wooden nimbus]

how hostile are the 96+ worlds for breachs? thinking about finally moving up but i still need abit of points

will they eat up my 50k rag gear?

[glacial gate]

maybe

come max bracket lol

[jade ledge]

He prob quit

[topaz nacelle]

any one know if there is a active med level clan how is reqruiting?

[pliant dome]

😻

[winged thorn]

Very likely

[minor aspen]

A lot of discussion on Reddit about pvp and the wilderness which is nice, although of course it’s not often positive. I’d totally vote for the removal of bosses and uniques (aside from rev weapons) if it meant we could get more interesting experimentation and changes in a more danger and deadly direction. At this point the wilderness could be concentrated around just Gp and exp, not uniques.

[torpid lily]

as in the main game?

Dont think theres any med clans left

Hasnt been an active scene since like 2022 or something

[muted glen]

Can someone help me decide mid-risk pk gear for dmm?

I’m freezing stats just before 96 combat so I can PK a bit

70 attack
75 str
70 def
97 mage
97 range
69 prayer
91 hp
91hp

[winged thorn]

youre kinda range tank esque

snag corrupted voli or dbow for your spec wep at the minimum imo

[muted glen]

Been using voli I think it is nice.
Feel like morrigans 4 tick is so busted I want to abuse that too

But can’t combo spec with Voli

[muted glen]

I didn’t plan on a build at all btw lol. Just kind of leveled up naturally and made sure I was capping my combat level

[winged thorn]

swap your atk & str and you have a typical main game range tank

• 99 range/mage/hp/prayer/def

[muted glen]

Wish I did do higher attack man. Didn’t realize I was locking myself out of weapons

Mori spec off pray into dogsword spec off pray feels like a great way to KO with my stats but idk

I could do ancient sceptre to cut cost on staff

[fierce sand]

so what is the strategy to defend against guys who freeze you in place and then keep walking in and out of your tile, so I can't hit back?

[winged thorn]

Answers may differ for this one, here’s my take:
Unless you are absolutely being railed, just bolt back while they are doing their fancy footwork. If you are being railed, attempting to/landing a freeze can help shift momentum back towards you. In most cases for myself, I hate being dd’d on, so I try to catch the freeze no matter what

If you want to avoid DD brid, try moving throughout the fight, try not to stay on the same tile & use distance as an advantage

[fierce sand]

ok, tyvm

[safe marten]

Gm PvPcord

[minor aspen]

good evening

[safe marten]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[open grove]

flowers

mithril + adamant seeds push your character even when frozen

the ideal is to seed then chuck a freeze back

[fierce sand]

wow, definitely would have have figured this one out lol
tyvm

[halcyon finch]

If ur trying to freeze while youre frozen and being death dotted make sure you cast every tick or on the right tick otherwise you lose hella dps/ticks

Also getting bolted in robes isnt good

[granite sphinx]

welp, dmm was fun and all, it was a great week, but its also given me a renewed disappointment in the main game's development

because i realized how much its possible to really enjoy the game, but only getting 1 week of fun out of like the last year and a half is pretty disappointing

[low mesa]

Is elite void worth taking in the rev caves ? I should parch it correct ?

[granite sphinx]

definitely parch it

its pretty good

pking or pvming?

[winged thorn]

You need to parch it or it will be deleted if you die above 20 wilderness.

[low mesa]

Pk at revs

With toxic staff and dcb

Max med

Just have to learn how to escape max gear pks

[west river]

How do I keep people from escaping as a ranger? If I try to cast snare in ranged gear it misses every time. Probably gear swapping right?

[inner dew]

yeah u need to gear swap, mage is even inaccurate vs pures cos mage level adds to magic defence

[halcyon finch]

Offensive mage prayer too. Can even go as far as boot/helm take offs if they have negative mage bonus

[minor aspen]

You could also try to pk in multi and have a friend use mage while you range if possible

[honest frigate]

Zgs can freeze but uses spec

[fast cradle]

use ancient magics or entangle, atleast have magic bonus gear switches like mystic top and bottom

all about bonuses, also mystic might which requires 45 prayer

[digital peak]

Hi all, im awful at pking and want to get to a decent standard in a few months, is there any guides and lower risk training like LMS to improve ?

[granite sphinx]

definitely LMS, this is an older video from Rhys but im sure will still help get some basic ideas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyMCqihnewk

[digital peak]

Thanks for this

[sage mulch]

bandit camp in the desert (dmm) is a multi combat area , but it doesn’t let you perform multi combat with players

anyone know if this is intentional

[muted glen]

Forgot to ping you. 30 min after this convo, I went to the breach and forgot to lock my XP. Instantly leveled up and got kicked to next bracket lol 💔

[hexed jackal]

Where are my fellow pures at?

I finally hit 75 str and now I’m going to work my way to 85 magic then the whopping 95

[jade ledge]

Just met this pker at ankous south of altar while I was PvMing in DMM. He stood and waited a bit. I asked if he wanted my starter set. He said no and moved on

[winged thorn]

Brutal 😭

[muted glen]

All good b4 is chill lol

[low mesa]

The wilderness is deadddddd

[crimson niche]

If I wanted to train a pure that was soley either range OR mage and melee, what would be the best route?

Ive done Mage melee before but wanted more opinions since im new here

[granite sphinx]

Godspeed soldier if you’re tryina find anything in the Wildy this week lol

[low mesa]

I thought dmm was almost over

[pulsar yew]

whats with the dmm skull timer? got the kill over 10 minutes ago and it still says on minute left lol....?

[inner pond]

think you have to move else it doesnt tick down or something

its really weird

[winged thorn]

Yes, you have to move for it to tick down

[minor aspen]

Probably range, plenty of good range spec weapons for bh/risk fights. For the wilderness you probably really want to tribrid unless you’re pking with a team.

[minor aspen]

Ferox and altar were still pretty active. Found some people at Callisto too, not as many as usual though

[winged thorn]

DMM

[crimson niche]

Awesome ty I’ll try that 😎

[granite sphinx]

nice dead content off the rip even if it were to pass

and alongside that some good old fash ironman changes -.-

[charred thistle]

How else will you get them to vote for it

[languid oracle]

It's a good foot in the door

[granite sphinx]

eh i mean... "why would you go multi? you wouldnt!" isnt exactly a great sell

[languid oracle]

If a multi maledictus always spawns when a singles does it's a solid reason for people to get multi

[granite sphinx]

why would multi not be more gp/h when its significantly more dangerous lol

[languid oracle]

A guaranteed 1m every time a maledictus spawns with less people in that area, people are for sure gonna stay in multi frequently

[granite sphinx]

definitely not buying that, there will be a handful for sure

but not very many

[marble hazel]

this is completely reasonable for the Maledictus though because it's absurd you can grief them by doing 1 damage to the maledictus after theyve dealt 1000 damage to it lol

[languid oracle]

Yeah there's no reason for maledictus to be impossible for irons to get drops from, when it's designed as a group world boss and it doesn't apply to most others

[granite sphinx]

idk why im worried about it as if it would pass anyway tbh

[languid oracle]

This'll mean irons might actually fight it now instead of leaving

[granite sphinx]

happy for the few multi revs guys tho i think itll fall far short of what they were looking for if it were to pass

realistically changes nothing for me still 🙁

[languid oracle]

Yeah 0% chance it gets added unfortunately

Every comment on the blog post is "No rev changes f off" essentially

[winged thorn]

https://i.imgur.com/aodWYJJ.png

[granite sphinx]

yeah its actually gonna take jagex manning up and integrity making changes

to tell those people theyre just a buncha weenies

[next comet]

Pussyfooting with another game jam idea instead of doing whats needed with integrity updates

Dead on Arrival

[winged thorn]

does anyone understand the new exit/entrance proposal

is it similar to exit caves where its random

idgi

[marble hazel]

i think theyve made a very reasonable pitch here, and I think the multi area has enough appeal without being "the multi area is strictly better and you're trolling yourself to not go there" (multi area is likely to have the most higher level revenants, singles areas don't seem like they'll have a lot of revs so people will be pushed to multi to find opening spots, there's effectively double the maledictus, and you'll be able to anti-pk and kill revs with your buddies)

[marble hazel]

dont think so?

compare the images and the exits match up

[granite sphinx]

think theyre just different?

like moving the entrance/exits

[winged thorn]

ahh

makes more sense

[granite sphinx]

i mean its currently trolling TO go to the multi area cuz u can actualyl die there

whereas u cant die in singles+

[marble hazel]

this part is just a bit confusing because there's 2 map icons but it's 1 exit

[granite sphinx]

id assume one in, one out like rn

so you cant door spam

i just unironically read a "wildy cctv" take... yeah pvp in this game is dead unless jagex grow up and start making integrity updates lol

[flint valley]

At least their talking about it and bringing proposals though, right?

Id vote for it as is but I do think there should be some incentive

[granite sphinx]

I mean the problem is they really avoid talking about it in any real capacity, we get fed "game jam" ideas, that then they hear reddit backlash and never speak on again via discord/stream/anything

like currently we have absolutely no idea what their actual direction for PvP in the game is

and dmm is fun and all but its like a week out of every other year lol

like we had Soffan's game jam years ago with loads of ideas, and i dont think any of them have ever been talked about again lol

[fast cradle]

I suggested a Free-to-play mid lvl boss years ago, a solid idea for creating a community and a food chain and bot-free

man if only jagex stopped trying to appeal to everyone

pvmers want pvm, pvpers want pvp

skillers want skiller content

[languid oracle]

Would it be bot free?
I don't think a f2p Wildy boss would really change all that much when f2p pvp is guaranteed escape every time

[granite sphinx]

yeah, the "if we give pkers X, we have to then give irons Y" is kinda annoying

like why is it bad to give pkers updates lol, irons get their own updates all the time

[fast cradle]

You make a wilderness boss which teleblocks any player attacking it, limit the boss to select worlds

theres your foodchain

theres the demand

theres the community

nobody can 1tic tele

you risk 50k so who cares

[granite sphinx]

dont get me wrong, i dont think that would really create much activity whatsoever either

but yeah the food chain issue is their biggest problem currently

cuz pkers are only ever on top of it and never the food

[fast cradle]

that definitely would create activity

are you aware of the 308 community?

[granite sphinx]

nope

[fast cradle]

theres hundreds of people in it

pures/mains ect

they all pk in f2p

[granite sphinx]

also the other thing is, members wildy is already so neglected

id rather they not spend what miniscule time we get on f2p lol

[fast cradle]

problem is jagex don't address the core issue which is f2p

[granite sphinx]

we gonna have to agree to disagree that f2p is the core issue lol

[fast cradle]

you create the environment to breed that ethos

then you implement p2p

sure P2P is much needed but they're such simple updatess

[granite sphinx]

right but the wildy* hasnt had an update in like 2yrs lol

[winged thorn]

imagine the first one is a f2p pvp update my lord

id have a stroke

[granite sphinx]

the rev cave thing is already a disappointment since its basically DOA w/ no reason to go multi

[fast cradle]

pvp has had that many negative updates because jagex try appealing to everyone

[granite sphinx]

i cant imagine how my brain would handle them saying u know what pvp needs, is f2p

[fast cradle]

they're going to mess up revs 10000%

[granite sphinx]

well theyre not really trying to appeal to everyone

theyre trying to appeal to ironmen and streamers

[fast cradle]

like they did when they nerfd it

yep which is dumb

cuz neither ironmen or streamers will use it enough

to be justifyable

[fast cradle]

they'd need to do both f2p/p2p in one go, they're less likely to mess an f2p up though

since dynamics are so simple

[granite sphinx]

if they do both sure id be fine w/ that

[fast cradle]

place X boss in X location, X drops

[granite sphinx]

but substituting our once-every-3-year update for a f2p one my head would explode

[winged thorn]

l0lll

[fast cradle]

XD

[languid oracle]

I just don't think a f2p Wildy update is in the cards lol

The dev time needed for a boss killed by maybe a dozen players and would become the new bot hotspot just seems unwise

[fast cradle]

cmon now we see a wilderness update post and think they're not going to mess it up

[granite sphinx]

i mean seeing as even a game jam post is really uninspiring to me

I got no real hope left lol

ferox skulltricking it is if i ever feel like playing again 😭

[fast cradle]

the clanning community are all divided and want dumb things

[winged thorn]

not really lol

[fast cradle]

hence why nothings ever materialised

[granite sphinx]

i dont thhink they really are

[fast cradle]

clans have their agendas an egos

[granite sphinx]

egos for sure but p much all teh agendas are the same

[winged thorn]

there are very few clans who have the organization to do anything on this game

[granite sphinx]

make multi active lol

[fast cradle]

then you've got single pkers

lol

[granite sphinx]

im currently being told on reddit that we cant have the game jam cuz all 400 worlds singles+ would get ragged, and they would simultaneously hold down every worlds multi and force people to pay for protection

only requiring id guess... maybe 2,000 people to do it

[winged thorn]

yep

i plan on doing that personally(?)

like what on earth l0l

[granite sphinx]

like 8 different singles+ spots, 400 worlds

also locking down 400 multi worlds

seems doable

[fast cradle]

in a nutshell

jagex cant organise a piss up in a brewery

[granite sphinx]

i was also told that "they had almost as many worlds back then, and they locked them all down" - in relation to multi revs days

[winged thorn]

asinine

[minor aspen]

Polling rev changes after unpolled change, gg

[fast cradle]

I myself pk'd on 2k total worlds on my pure and main

[winged thorn]

yep, it would have to be an integrity change or w/e

cant poll it

[fast cradle]

not for money though

ll

some good action

[minor aspen]

Manked crammed too much stuff in the proposal too imo

[granite sphinx]

its fr a disaster man

idek if he did, like i read it, and it felt so lackluster

like, theres not even better loot in multi

[minor aspen]

The map layout is weird with 3 corridors, so many entrances

[granite sphinx]

why go lol

for 99.9% of people

[fast cradle]

jagex may as well bring EOC to OSRS

unpolled

thats how they operate

[winged thorn]

a few different choke points too

it would be an interesting spot for battles

[minor aspen]

What makes current rev cave kinda cool is agi shortcuts

Just revert the dam thing

[fast cradle]

^

remove the caves from total level worlds so no extortion can happen

easy fix

[granite sphinx]

"we cant now that its been that way for so long" idk man we added a pj timer to 85% of the wildy after like 17 years lol

[minor aspen]

The extortion isn’t even a bad thing, its just player competition

[winged thorn]

games imploding on this suggested change

i wanna smoke wat you guys are if reverting is plausible

[fast cradle]

😄

[minor aspen]

Im just saying it’s preferable to what i see being tossed out there

[winged thorn]

fair

[minor aspen]

A wonky map redesign + entrances, new rules

Slow down

Just slowly rebalance it

[fast cradle]

imagine jagex just did everything right for once lol

suprised they've not polled wilderness removal yet

or just enforced it

[winged thorn]

only draw is strength in numbers + more revs

[minor aspen]

Here’s how they could slowly make changes: make zones multi > condense mobs > redesign map > add rules if needed

[fast cradle]

remove revs from total worlds, condense the worlds slightly so less places to hide or make more revs/larger cave

[granite sphinx]

more revs yeah, but if ur half decent at the game you cant die in singles anyway

so strength in numbers kinda irrelevant except for turbo noobs

[winged thorn]

just not enough of an incentive

[granite sphinx]

yea

no extra loot despite being 100x more dangerous is a bad look

[fast cradle]

unique drop

[winged thorn]

kinda defeats the purpose

[fast cradle]

yep

[winged thorn]

i do think the multi cave would be fairly active tho

[fast cradle]

the amount of private discords ect. jagex have made down the years for PvP related content

you'd have thought

[granite sphinx]

hopefully youre right

[fast cradle]

all the ideas would be there

on a plate

yet they'll mess it up

😄

it's like you need to spell it out to them a billion times for it to sink in what the playerbase wants

yet they still go against it

it's like blackrock creating the world agenda, everyone just follows 😄

the people don't want it ... ye F it we're doing it

😄

[minor aspen]

What would you change in the new rev cave proposal?

[snow atlas]

Could we get like. A not predator prey format? For a game jam this feels uninspired

[granite sphinx]

if youre having both singles+ and multi revs, multi revs needs more of a reward for being 100x more dangerous

otherwise for the most part its fine

[minor aspen]

It’s all predator vs prey

[winged thorn]

whats stopping the prey from being a predator?

[fast cradle]

llol^

[winged thorn]

[fast cradle]

big brains mr teal

[snow atlas]

Lmao

[winged thorn]

good fight

who is next!!!

[fast cradle]

kek

[winged thorn]

but seriously no flame

[snow atlas]

Im risking frog as +1

[minor aspen]

I’m a snake

[granite sphinx]

i agree its pretty lackluster for a game jam project tbf

like that coulda just been implemented in the game today, and nobody woulda really noticed

like it feels like sorta the bare minimum that SHOULD already be there

[snow atlas]

Yeah, its nothing new or fresh

[fast cradle]

jagex are so far out of touch its like they're appealing to the blind and deaf

and everyone else doesn't matter

[snow atlas]

If only we had 1000s of successful modern games that use fresh pvp formats to draw inspo from

[winged thorn]

that sounds like EOC

[fast cradle]

just realised we have mutuals ect @winged thorn 👀

haha

[winged thorn]

is why i had to say no the clan scene is not split lol

[next comet]

Very little incentive to do multi revs and with 400 worlds to hop from. Yeah this shit DOA

[winged thorn]

i dont wanna ping manked but like too bad we couldnt discuss

frustrating

[granite sphinx]

yea thiis is kinda my problem

annoying they never actually discuss pvp

its just thrown around in game jams, the whackjobs on reddit get angy, and then its never heard about again

[winged thorn]

yeah like ppl are going to debate (w/ jmod interaction) the best ways for ironmen to get darrows or w/e

cant get the same respect for pvp?

[fast cradle]

I've been MIA for 6years, clanning hasn't helped itself tbf @winged thorn

[granite sphinx]

i honestly think its cuz htey dont know what direction they want to go w/ pvp

[wooden basin]

Can someone fill me in? I missed game jam

[granite sphinx]

theyve just been kinda lost for years

[snow atlas]

A podcast episode would be cool. They could address why they dont try any other format lol

[granite sphinx]

tl;dr both multi and singles rev caves, multi no extra loot

moving some of the entrances around

thats about it

[fast cradle]

lack of game content hasn't helped too

[wooden basin]

Ahh

[fast cradle]

for the wildenesss

[granite sphinx]

which is quite odd cuz lulls in content were usually when the wildy used to be most active

back in the days of like black chins etc

[winged thorn]

too many people are playing solo campagin mode

[fast cradle]

last time I was active rev's were multi popping then next day gone no polls nothing

legit every other world had teams/solo pkers

[granite sphinx]

its also so strange using dmm to try and get people into pking

[fast cradle]

no matter the location inside revs

[granite sphinx]

and like in dmm itd be feasible to kill an auto prayer bot w/ the sigils

then you login main game and theyre nearly invincible lol

[winged thorn]

most folks dont even know what kind of an acc to make lmfao

[granite sphinx]

not to mention dmm account builds would get whalloped in the main game if you tried to use them lol

[fast cradle]

They've created external PvP methods without risk or anything while nullyfing the actual wilderness

its a jjoke

ll

LMS , DMM ect.

[snow atlas]

Dmm should be the endgame of pvp not the funnel. Its a tourney

[wooden basin]

They really should be making guides to help noobs learn the general framework of pvping and also some helpful tips as to how to deal with situations

[winged thorn]

thats what it was

not anymore though :d

[wooden basin]

They have guides for everything but pking

[snow atlas]

True

Its leagues 2 now i suppose

[winged thorn]

i mean xp being cut in half on death

thats not for the weak

lmfao

[granite sphinx]

yeah that was brutal

[fast cradle]

they're trying to appeal to one group of people @wooden basin

[winged thorn]

3x xp rates and your xp getting cut in half

[fast cradle]

thats it

[winged thorn]

lmfa0

[next comet]

Yeah a lot of people fuck up then have 0 motivation to reroll

[minor aspen]

i'll probably write up a feedback post on reddit and farm some downvotes some time today

[snow atlas]

Maybe a hot take. But some of the weird stipulations in pvp could probably be reconsidered to make it less jarring if they want new players

[winged thorn]

i could maybe understand if theyre playing an iron and thats their main or w/e

[fast cradle]

people don't even know the quest routes to create accounts meanwhile in 2005 I had runeHQ, salsrealm ect ?????????

like please i swear the playerbase need spoon feeding these days

[granite sphinx]

theyve kinda taken this approach with things like the pj timer, skull prevention etc... it never really actually changes much of anything

[fast cradle]

quick calculator, tally xp rewards ect

lmao

[snow atlas]

Yeah at the end of the day its also just not for everyone

[granite sphinx]

yeah definitely not which is totally fine

just frustrating for the people that it IS for, that updates consistently are railroaded by the people who would just never want any pvp updates

[fast cradle]

I knew what quests i needed, what stats needed IN 2005.

lmf.

[granite sphinx]

its like if pkers were a majority and started brigading polls on like a raid that drops a shadow, like it doesnt affect us in any way, but its not our content so we're gonna scream about it

[winged thorn]

yea like on a gamejam for multi revs you got ironmen commenting on it talking about remove korasi from the wildy l0l

just insanity

[wooden basin]

Voting on pvp polls should require at least 100 loot keys minimum

[granite sphinx]

theyll be getting a budget one soon im sure off a lvl 60 slayer monster, same way theyre getting budget imbued heart

[fast cradle]

agreed

[winged thorn]

should be based on kills in wild imo

[snow atlas]

Tbf, pvp DOES effect what rewards can come into the game but i agree with you 100%

[winged thorn]

and enough to make it hard to boost

[fast cradle]

500 kills min

[winged thorn]

im thinking 2k l0l

[fast cradle]

LMFAO

[winged thorn]

ppl have 40k+ kills on this game

[wooden basin]

Imagine taking all of ur accs to the wild to farm loot keys off of each other just to vote lol

[winged thorn]

inb4 replacement craw bow/thams/vigs

[hybrid sapphire]

I'm already otw

[fast cradle]

yh my pure had 16k kills/3k deaths @winged thorn

prior to ban

[winged thorn]

yeah see, 2k is nothing

[fast cradle]

in 2020

[granite sphinx]

craws likely too so they dont gotta get one for leviathan

[winged thorn]

yep

[snow atlas]

50 kills but on unique unbanned users only

[next comet]

If it affected pvp in a major way they would just make it not usable like Shadow

[granite sphinx]

"i can do awakened leviathan, but PLEASE dont make me freeze log on someone"

[winged thorn]

should just make craws not bis at levi but thatll rile some feathers im sure lmfao

[granite sphinx]

much more sensible approach imo

[winged thorn]

imagine making an integrity change for rev/wildy wep thats only supposed to be viable for revs/wildy

s m h

[snow atlas]

Surge pots. Any form of damage reduction or ways to boost health. Spec weapons all have to not deal 100 damage on a player. Not really a problem just a design limitation

[granite sphinx]

this isnt necessarily even true, they cap certain weapons like dbow at 48-48 in pvp, but in pvm it can hit higher

[snow atlas]

Fair

But yeah a lot of weiners just want pvp to die, straight up

[winged thorn]

most of them have never even engaged in it either

[granite sphinx]

ye, and their complaints get listened to wayyy more often than ours do lol

[next comet]

They have succeeded in that

[winged thorn]

the extent of their pvp experience is castle wars

lol

[hybrid sapphire]

Or their screen flashing cuz scawy pker entered the boss lair

[snow atlas]

Im not even active pvping this year. But to pretend this game would even exist without pvp is just goofy

[granite sphinx]

shoulda heard one of the guys yesterday yappin about how that isnt true lol

[winged thorn]

it is a shame the people who do not know their history

[granite sphinx]

im ngl man thank GOD blizzard released tbc again rn, the thought of dmm basically being over, and the thought of going back to the current wilderness is just so depressing lmao

[hybrid sapphire]

Do yous play the normal dmm? Or is that wildy problems just spread over a larger area

[granite sphinx]

eh i did for a little but its just not that fun too sparce, dmm doesnt really work as a long term game mode

[hybrid sapphire]

I guess it's not inherently the wildy, it's the way jagex treats pvp that's the issue

I'm strawmanning so hard rn but can u imagine the reddit comments there would be if they removed pvp and made the vw adequately difficult to obtain 😂

[winged thorn]

yeah, like squintz and many others have guessed, they just dont know what kind of direction to go in

[snow atlas]

The engine and rps of osrs has a lot of potential for cool pvp game modes. Just lack of vision

[winged thorn]

i dont know if another pvp game mode removing more ppl from the wild is the right play either, though

[snow atlas]

Idk either

[winged thorn]

if they could integrate systems into the existing wild though

that would be sick

[snow atlas]

Density is a real issue for sure. Jfc i cant type today

Game devs job to solve two problems. Playerbase burnt out on cat and mouse content, and current pvp is spread out.

Way more nuanced ofc but

[winged thorn]

agreed, but i will always hold the position that there isnt much from turning the mouse into the cat

just getting folks to think that way is hard

[snow atlas]

I have anti pked yes, its different than people purely farming gp (bad at revs these days) or clogging/ironmaning

[coral kestrel]

idk if im only person that thinks adding multi to rev caves is good thing, it will become hotspot for multiclan instead of spending hours hunting them ags smites on multibosses, they killed pvp with removing multi from caves and killing singles so its time to get them back

[snow atlas]

Taking venge to revs/zombie pirates is a fun time. Multi revs probably still better than the way vetion feels currently

You go there and its scout bot into dog pile within 5

[winged thorn]

thats fair, but even on my iron i always had a gmaul in the wildy at the minimum lmfao

idk just different mentality

[snow atlas]

I dont know if multi works in the wildy in its current state in general

[winged thorn]

stop that

plenty of multi clans will disagree 😭

[latent relic]

I haven't read all the comments above but Mankeds game jam is so good. Even the placement of exits and diary cost reduction, layout of the caves 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[snow atlas]

At least it doesnt work for teams of homies like 2-8 dudes

[winged thorn]

i see ppl wanting to limit piles in multi to 3 people or some shit and it just hurts my brain

[coral kestrel]

it worked with the 8 ppl team back in day 2010-2011 when multi was in rev caves and got tons of small fights , theres plenty of worlds to fight

[winged thorn]

yeah, smallman pking in revs isnt v hard

get in get out type shi

[snow atlas]

I dont think a pile limit could work in wildy

Id be intrigued at instanced fight to the death content if there was gonna be content aimed at "you and your 2 boys wanna pk together against other pkers"

A pile limit in the actual open world would feel janky as fuck

[coral kestrel]

you do realise that the wildy state and state of pvp clans is worst ever, evenn the game is most popular stage ever

[winged thorn]

it exists in the form of clan wars tbh

just cant get loot from it

[latent relic]

No it's not lol

I can think of way worse times lol

[winged thorn]

but queuing up for that obviously isnt a thing. i guess it would be cool if you could go somewhere and queue for something like that

[latent relic]

It be nice if they did like a duo or trio style lms

[coral kestrel]

theres wg and rest are like toxic clans out there, back in days it was brotherhood

🙂

whats the point joining those shit clans these days

just grab own friend team and go smash ppl in multi revs

[winged thorn]

just implement it into wildy and not outside of it

[latent relic]

Only thing I seen recently that would be cool is to take a BH world and convert it to multi with teams for each god like they did with dmm factions and allow people to go in random or pick a team. Would need to have some kind of balance function though

Would be difficult to keep it balanced with risk

[winged thorn]

yeah would have to have similair gear etc

[delicate slate]

I was hesitant to ask this, but I was wondering if anyone would be able to give some pk advice? I tried posting in Reddit but it gets auto deleted. I understand basics of it, and I’ve been doing LMS for a week or so now. But I’m struggling with inventory management and switching to the right offense and defense prayers.

[latent relic]

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post YouTube links here but Rhys made a really good guide that covers a lot of this stuff. Outside of this my biggest recommendation is to find people to spar with in like w302 white portal. https://youtu.be/HyMCqihnewk?si=W7bShsf8IqvklGl7

Having someone you can fight consistently helps build muscle memory which is a key part of improving. If you have to stop and think before you act your already dead

[minor aspen]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1r15npd/rev_cave_feedback_why_are_multirevs_being_polled/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

add some feedback in the comments if you'd like

[forest kraken]

Why is it being polled though

It makes no sense

Because there’s LITERALLY 0 chance it passes a poll

PvP updates shouldn’t be polled imo

[winged thorn]

even then, i dont think everyone agrees this is exactly what ppl want

[thorn berry]

Would you suggest they just implement them with no poll?

[winged thorn]

thats how most wilderness changes happen

[forest kraken]

It’s exactly what pvp clans want

[minor aspen]

the wilderness is a place of violence and death, things that ironmemes and normie players usually hate. nothing about the wilderness will ever pass for them

[forest kraken]

Join literally any pvp clan and it’s almost all they talk about wanting

[forest kraken]

Ofc

When was the last time a pvp update passed a poll?

That wasn’t in some way pvm ewlatwd

Related*

[winged thorn]

im not diagreeing that multi clans / teams have wanted muli revs back lol

but do u think its rly a good idea to add a multi section that has 0 incentive?

[forest kraken]

No I don’t think so

They should add hella incentive imo

[winged thorn]

exactly, thats my point

even then, i dont think everyone agrees this is exactly what ppl want

[forest kraken]

IMO they should just add multi revs back as they were

But I’m a pvp clanner so ofc I’d say that

These days they wouldn’t even be that good. Especially with a high cost to enter so you don’t get 1 item crystal bowers

[winged thorn]

i think blindly saying yes and blidly saying no is equally dumb, no disrepsect to anyone

not being able to chat w/ jmods about it sucsk though lol

[granite sphinx]

have to make a ruckus on reddit to warrant an actual response

[winged thorn]

you'd think though, after the addition of this chat, manked would be looking in occasionally

even if its not supposed to be that way etc blah blah

[granite sphinx]

id think so? but with dmm still underway he might be in those discs still talking a bit more

[winged thorn]

yeah true

[forest kraken]

They have an invite only pvp discord right

Clearly they get enough feeedback in there

That they don’t need to check this

[winged thorn]

its been closed for a couple of years now

[granite sphinx]

yea they closed it a couple years back then we eventually fought our way into this channel

what a battle that was

[crystal bloom]

Just wana clarify it's an opinion poll that's running rn, not a lock-in poll

[forest kraken]

That means we’re voting about whether it’s wanted or not? Not specifically if we want it implemented in this way, at this stage?

[granite sphinx]

wait is there actually even a poll running rn?

[errant cedar]

yes

would you like to see it, would you vote yes in its current state, what would you want changed

on all of the game jam projects

[lyric eagle]

As a being a proud clan leader of "308 Bolters" - We highly vote yes for multy revenant caves

[granite sphinx]

ahh havent logged in today didnt realize

[forest kraken]

I think there needs to be some incentive for the player to go to the multi part of the cave. Because otherwise it only puts you at a disadvantage compared to pvming the singles plus

I think that’s obvious no?

[granite sphinx]

yea im not sure, like i dont love it on the surface since the multi doesnt make any sense to go there, but i do want multi to come into the game

[forest kraken]

I think the multi cave should be more competitive than the singles plus, but you should have to pay a bunch of gp to enter the cave. That way the rag returners won’t exist

And just give more loot to the multi versions

Also I’m unsure that this poll is even necessary, I think jagex know that there’s next to nothing for multi clans other that the slayer cave (lol.) and dmm, and the multi clans have been begging for this since it got removed

[next comet]

Multi cave addition with no additional incentive is just dead content waiting to be brought into the game, I would rather them just keep the caves as it is/remove it altogether. They bring back a piece of content they took away just to leave it to rot because they wont do whats needed

You not gonna get the same food chain you had that made the caves in its prime fun and active

[forest kraken]

^ yep agreed

People won’t go there if they’re just being used as a pinyata for a team that’s going to flame them

[granite sphinx]

yeah idk how they thought this was going to fix any of the activity issues, also i have no idea how they thought the changes would affect the fact that 99% of the cave is bots/gold farmers lol

[next comet]

The redesign is more benificial for the singles+ pkers I guess they dont need to bond extra accounts to sit at 5 different spots in the caves anymore, but Ironmen will cry because they cant safespot their Knights and insta leave/hop

[winged thorn]

the horror of the wilderness being dangerous

[forest kraken]

Yep I’m spurred on to go finish my craws bow now, only thing I’ve got left 😂

[next comet]

Idk which genius thought keeping the rev caves so huge was a good idea in the first place when turning it singles+