#A plane similar to the Su-47

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kindred wing
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plane itself has not seen actual combat, but in demonstrations across multiple games (the only form of media where it's seen combat), it has been shown to be able to keep up with an F-22 and even out rate it at times (no not just talking ace combat here).
yeah so that's just made up data

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you also already made this post before💀

drifting shuttle
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I know but i wanted to redo it seeing as all it turned into was just a zone for arguments and what not.

drifting shuttle
kindred wing
drifting shuttle
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I'm not wanting to start this up again man... at least this time I looked into things a lot more before sending this in.

kindred wing
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regardless

It looks cool, but gameplay wise it's not that unique
only new features are TVC and maybe a new missile

drifting shuttle
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Well at least i didn't suggest a F/A-26 clone.

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It's a unique design with unique physics on it. idk what you want me to say about it.

idle gate
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I think a FSW airplane would be neat in VTOL, maybe something sub-sonic like a strategic bomber or something large scale

kindred wing
idle gate
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Like a FSW fighter/bomber with side by side seating

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Like the Su-47 mixed with Su-34

drifting shuttle
idle gate
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Bumping is against the rules

drifting shuttle
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._.

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Man idk why i even fight for new things or potential changes at this point. Especially since all i've done was suggest something cool everyone seems to hate on.

kindred wing
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You are taking this too personal

idle gate
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It ain’t that deep

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These forums are here to make unique suggestions easier to discuss without being buried

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And nothing in them is guaranteed to be added

graceful bear
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Some good ideas get buried and forgotten because there’s simply not much to add

drifting shuttle
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not much to add that hasn't been already implemented.

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So I just decided to suggest something that could be a nice fun idea.

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I never expect it to get added anyway, but at least i'd prefer it to not be downplayed right out the gate by people who prefer it not added.

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the moment i post something though it feels like i gotta be on the defensive still.

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Sure this is a redone post, but honestly i deleted the older one so there's not substance to it like this one has it.

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Also i'm aware of the developer being only one man. sometimes the lighter suggestions might actually have more substance than you think.

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It's also kinda why i suggested this in the first place

idle gate
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A new aircraft isn't exactly "light work"

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It takes months to plan, model, texture, test, rework, test again,

drifting shuttle
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obviously yes i know that

topaz cove
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A plane similar to eurofighter would be better

drifting shuttle
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i'm just saying it's likely lighter work to add than some of the aircraft that came before it cuz imma be real here once again...

drifting shuttle
idle gate
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But new aircraft (per Baha's already stated points) NEED to have something new

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Preferably multiple things

drifting shuttle
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forward swept wings with unique aerodynamics as well as thrust vectoring. already 2 things there.

idle gate
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We already have TVC

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42 and 45

drifting shuttle
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you could argue it for the 42 imo, but the 45 doesn't really have it in my opinion. it's more like it shifts into a vtol configuration than it actually having thrust vectoring

idle gate
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It can VIFF, I'd call that Vectoring

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You can do that any time, at any speed

drifting shuttle
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look man once again...

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not really able to suggest much that hasn't already been put into the game in some form or another

idle gate
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Why do you think people disagree with the same type of posts over and over again?

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Everything has already been suggested

drifting shuttle
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and its the people that disagree that continue to bury the posts rather than to see them maybe come to fruition.

idle gate
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you got it

drifting shuttle
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idk why people be so gung ho about doing it honestly

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it makes no sense

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why push something down that could be fun to try?\

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there's a reason why there's the saying "Don't knock it till you try it."

earnest sandal
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And it flying a bit different is not a new game mechanic

drifting shuttle
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Well what do you want me to suggest that hasn’t already either been suggested or added?

earnest sandal
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Hey man I don’t make the rules 🤷‍♂️ just tryna explain why you’re getting flak

drifting shuttle
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And I’m trying to explain my point of view here too.

earnest sandal
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I’m not tryna argue with you

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I’m just pointing out the precedent that has been set by the dev regarding new vehicles

drifting shuttle
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Well then… guess I’m gonna be doing a lot more research and updating this post with literally every minute detail I can find.

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Cuz that feels like the only way I can suggest a vehicle like this.

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And with every minute detail a new potential feature I guess…

earnest sandal
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Imma be real with you I don’t think people are gonna read allat, they’re just gonna see “fighter suggestion #99999” and downvote

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If you want it so much it’s probably more worth to learn modding or ask a modder very nicely

drifting shuttle
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It’s at this point that I don’t want it anymore

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I’d rather people just not instantly shut the idea down.

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And downplay it to the point of obscurity.

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So if I have to, I will do what I said just to make a point.

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I’m late to the VTOL VR party, I know. But I don’t appreciate the hostility I’ve gotten so far.

earnest sandal
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Yeah there’s a certain few people on this forum that are just kinda assholeish about it

drifting shuttle
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A few too many if you ask me

stoic lynx
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and its not a popularity contest either

drifting shuttle
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Never said it was

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I’d just prefer constrictive criticism rather than people just saying “idea bad nyeh”

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Ways to improve the submission are better than posts that bury it into obscurity after all.

subtle trail
# drifting shuttle Ways to improve the submission are better than posts that bury it into obscurity...

Try to think of units and other mechanics that aren't already in the game. This is rather challenging since there's already many things that the existing aircraft can already do.
For example, we do not have submarines despite VTOL VR being focused on naval forces. With the addition of submarines, that would bring anti-submarine warfare -- torpedoes, sonar, MAD system, even another new unit; destroyers.
https://discord.com/channels/319915885575798785/1260347252866547843

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drifting shuttle
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burnt halo
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New featured aircraft are probably more fun to develop too

fierce wasp
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“New features” doesn’t have to mean it has to be brand spanking new, it could also be an expansion or furtherance of a currently implemented feature. It could also vary in the unique weaponry it carries. Just because it doesn’t radically change the gameplay loop doesn’t mean it can’t be a new feature

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I’d love for an S-32-style airframe

graceful bear
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In another post I had suggested terrain following autopilot to get in low and fast, could possibly be the feature needed for a new aircraft if it isn’t just implemented everywhere

dapper goblet
fierce wasp
graceful bear
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please

drifting shuttle
subtle trail
burnt halo
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There is probably some opportunities for 'new' gameplay and play styles by modifying what we already have

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But nothing on the level of the EW update

void cloud
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with everything being multirole because of course an air superiority fighter doesn't bring much unless it has a whole other layer of features like long range ir missiles or drones or some sort of advanced avionics that would set it apart from just loading an fa26 or f45 with only a/a weapons

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maybe the forward swept design could be implemented on a 5th or 6th gen airframe unless it would be unstealthy

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some kind of plane that could have some kind of advantage over the enemy so extreme it can wipe out an entire enemy flight to open the way for ground attackers so they don't have to risk getting blown up while carrying all that extra weight

graceful bear
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… can we just get a float plane or boat body plane?

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Landing on water could technically be a new mechanic. Mix it with that anti submarine ware fare people keep talking about.

manic crown
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I support this, purely because it has a unique role in A2A, a dedicated BFM modern fighter is a cool idea and actually will give more difference in a2a than just "F/A-26 is good fighter, t-55 is slightly worse F/A-26" and then the F-45 which does its own thing

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I think the thrust vectoring is a good feature, but needs some fattering

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I think it'd be cool to go WITH that line and instead of regular aim-120's whatnot it'd include a closer range oriented payload

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The concept can be cooler but i think the mechanic of manually thrust vectoring the jet engines via throttle is something that can be built upon

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And entirely gimping it from A2G is a meh thing, i think giving it atleast dumb bombs would be something good enough just so it can actually do things

drifting shuttle
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Well the original idea is now gonna be turning into something else but with the original premise intact. I’m gonna suggest other things along side this too if they haven’t been suggested already, but…

I’m changing the idea to a multi-role fighter with armaments that specialize in ship killing and ship destruction while keeping the forward swept wings to enable it to dogfight. I’ll be designing the look of it myself in order to make this work, but of course it would only be a concept design (unless Baha wants to use it).

For now, research must be done, but I shall dub the aircraft the SK-07 “Swordfish” and it will serve the purpose of a naval hyper-maneuverability fighter who’s main focus will be to add new ways to deal with naval units, old and new, while retaining a high priority dogfighter status. This would include adding torpedoes, depth charges, anti-submarine missiles, and the like. I’m certain some of these things have been suggested already but I will suggest a few things if I find that they haven’t been included/suggested.

Armaments though wouldn’t be too great for air to ground confrontations though to encourage this playstyle (any agm related weapons or air to ground weaponry outside of bombs would likely not be in its arsenal), but that shouldn’t stop it from being interesting this time (my hand was kinda forced if you ask me).

drifting shuttle
drifting shuttle
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Hence why I’m now doing research of anti-naval warfare

drifting shuttle
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It will also be carrier based too.

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Just like all other planes in the game.

dapper goblet
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I think this would fit the futuristic style of the game ngl

drifting shuttle
lapis bison
drifting shuttle
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unfortunately that's how ideas like these are buried in the forums

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and i stated that in response to the fact that the same guy that did just that responded almost instantly to the post with the same thing.

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I'm in the process of editing the idea, but i'm doing research right now before making that official.

lapis bison
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from what ive gathered this plane is all about dog fighting and anti air.

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im not sure we need that

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im not sure its going to provide enough gameplay that the other planes cant to justify its existance and the work put into it

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sure it would be very cool i agree with that

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but there are a lot of cool ideas in here and only one developer

vocal salmon
lapis bison
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remember, one developer.
things need slightly more reason than "its cool" in order to put the work in to implement it

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this seems to just be a jet that can fly slower and make tighter turns.

i would much rather the large carrier based turbo prop "bomber" (bomber is in air quotes as im not sure it being limited to just being a bomber would be a good idea) here are some of the things it would provide:
it introduces a side by side pilot - copilot cockpit.
it introduces prop engines which have different flying characteristics and could be utilized by modders for other aircraft.
it would be slow and sluggish requiring escorts which would encourage teamwork and communication.
it could be capable of refueling other aircraft.
it could be capable holding a lot of jamming equipment.

this is the kind of thing you need to be including with a suggestion, the things that it would bring to the game in terms of gameplay, not specs of the aircraft.

drifting shuttle
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I’m changing the post make this another multirole fighter (as if we don’t already have 4 of them), But with anti-naval weaponry as its main draw. It wouldn’t have more than bombs to work with for air to ground but it would have anti-submarine missiles, depth charges, and torpedoes to name a few things. All that while keeping the idea of a forward swept wing design.

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I haven’t done so yet because research is needed.

lapis bison
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ok, in 30 words or less, what does this plane bring to the table that the current planes cant do.
what new features does it introduce, does it encourage a different style of play?

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how is it different, what does do gameplay wise?

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jet that can go slow and turn good doesnt sound like something worth the effort from the one developer this game has

drifting shuttle
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Okay and?

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It’s a suggestion…

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You’re the guy who didn’t read the entire rest of the conversation.

lapis bison
drifting shuttle
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So you read the before? But not what the suggestion is gonna be edited to?

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lapis bison
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i read that, i dont think we have subs

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and again, one of the current planes can do that

drifting shuttle
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Well then lemme tell ya something here…

lapis bison
# drifting shuttle Well then lemme tell ya something here…

the t-55 is cheap, has minimal payload and is used to train new players with help from more experienced players.
the F/A 26B is a multi role jet that can do most of everything decently well, though is lacking when it comes to stealth or modern features
the f-45A is a vtol capable jet that has stealth capabilities but not as much payload capacity.
the AV-42C is a vtol aircraft primarily for ground attack but is semi capable of anti air as well.
the AH-94 is an attack helicopter.
the EF-24G is primarily an electronic warfare powerhouse and while it can go fast, its energy retention isnt great and its turns suffer at slow speeds making it not good for dogfights

where does this plane you are suggesting add something we dont already have?

drifting shuttle
# lapis bison this seems to just be a jet that can fly slower and make tighter turns. i would...

Side by side piloting is just changing the seating orientation but still keeping it a 2 seater: nothing new.
The suggestion I made literally has different aircraft physics similar to this but honestly prop engines wouldn’t bring more than what I suggested: nothing new basically.
Teamwork encoragement… it’s called common sense: nothing new.
Jamming equipment… we already have 3 aircraft that can bring it. One of them already has 2 jammers built in: nothing new.
The only thing this brings to the table is player to player aerial refueling which isn’t really that interesting.

You bash my idea, I bash yours.

drifting shuttle
lapis bison
drifting shuttle
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Hell man I even said I’d design it myself as a concept design.

lapis bison
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many people have offered that kind of thing

stoic lynx
drifting shuttle
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I haven’t gotten around to updating the suggestion yet cuz I’m still doing the required research for this.

lapis bison
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i would love to see a plane like this in game myself, but its not going to be different enough or interesting enough for it to be brought into the main game unless more devs get hired

drifting shuttle
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I’m not doing this anymore because I want it. I’m doing it to more send a message to the people who just instantly downplay the idea.

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I understand the idea may seem minimal but here’s the thing: I understand he’s one dev. I didn’t ask for much to respect his limited time. An idea doesn’t need to radically change the foundation of the game to be interesting enough to add.

lapis bison
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have you not noticed that each vehicle has something special about them that vastly changes how they are used?

drifting shuttle
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Outside of their physics… no.

lapis bison
drifting shuttle
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Saw the edited text. If you want me to be that guy I can literally just say that all of these outside of the helicopter are just an F/A-26 with stat changes.

lapis bison
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i edited it to add in that the F/A-26 sucks at stealth and has older analogue tech

drifting shuttle
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Okay and that’s a stat change

lapis bison
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its not, i was more accurately describing the vehicle as before i did so it was just a jet that was okay at everything

drifting shuttle
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It’s a stat change as it’s literally just checkmarking if it has advanced tech or not.

lapis bison
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i dont understand why you are being so aggressive, im trying to help you to either morph this suggestion into something that grabs the single developers attention as a good candidate for a main game vehicle, or to realise you are wasting your time here and to either stop, or move to modding it into the game yourself.

lapis bison
drifting shuttle
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People don’t understand that fact, though, so I have to be like this

lapis bison
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they were quick to dismiss it because the same kind of suggestion has been posted here many times, yours just had more reading to it and a picture

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i would love a jet like this ingame, but thats not going to happen, not like this at least.

lapis bison
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it feels better

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but doesnt get you anywhere useful

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vocal salmon
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ASW fighter is stupid

drifting shuttle
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I understand that last part was you trying to say that the developer probably won’t go for it. And trust me I am trying to rework this thing is something that will actually bring new stuff to the table.

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Engineering is a profession that I’m trying to pursue and unfortunately, I’m only one man. Engineers generally work as a team I’m just taking it from the perspective of an engineer.

Engineers are problem solvers. I’m just in the process of brainstorming a solution.

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Not trying to reinvent the wheel here

vocal salmon
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Starting from a real plane you think would be cool to fly in VTOL and then desperatly adding new features to it for the sake of passing the criteria is usually not going to create a good aicraft suggestion imo

drifting shuttle
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Unless you got something you wanna add as constructive criticism I’d suggest you maybe get your hands off your keyboard.

vocal salmon
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drifting shuttle
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No you didn’t…

drifting shuttle
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Nothing constructive about it

vocal salmon
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i disagree

drifting shuttle
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4 words that say plane bad doesn’t help me understand what the issue is.

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Therefore it ain’t constructive

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It’s destructive

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And for some people… it can be demoralizing.

vocal salmon
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i apologize

drifting shuttle
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I was hesitant in even making this post cuz of this exact behavior I witnessed with my last one.

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I just now had to edit the original post to state in bold words that constructive criticism helps more than not.

kindred wing
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let me also give a bit on constructive critisism then about the post itself

this entire thing can be summarized a lot more, use bullet points instead of using an entire paragraph to describe it's maneuverable

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kindred wing
drifting shuttle
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Maybe stop being like that then. I don’t even think I’ve seen you once in the game at all. Makes me wonder if you only rove the forums here to look for trouble.

kindred wing
drifting shuttle
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Ya can’t expect me to not say that given the circumstances.

kindred wing
lapis bison
drifting shuttle
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I see the person behind the screen, not the words they put on it.

kindred wing
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drifting shuttle
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The only “constructive” advice you had for me was to bulletpoint the post. Nothing towards the actual idea in question. I’ve been the one brainstorming potential ideas to make this idea improve or add something to the table that isn’t already in the game. Not once have I seen you do that here.

I just made a simple request to not downplay the idea instantly in the original post. Instead I have people now just jumping in to say the idea is bad and nothing else more frequently than not.

I ain’t asking for anything more than just a simple, “the idea is fine but you could try improving it by [another idea].”

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It’s demoralizing the amount of times I’ve had to put up with it honestly.

lapis bison
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im guilty of writing and writing and writing myself and constantly adding in and taking away words as im sure you have seen.
this is not helpful for conveying information in a helpful manner

kindred wing
# drifting shuttle It’s demoralizing the amount of times I’ve had to put up with it honestly.

this was my first question to you

what would this add to the game other than flying different compared to the other jets?
#1334655082809004133 message
which was immediately met with you closing the post

It was a genuine question to see if there was more behind the post than "cool aircraft I like that I want in-game" which is 100% valid, just expect people to want more than that and ask questions

lapis bison
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not sure about an anti sub fighter as we dont have subs and a few other concerns but the base of the plane is solid.
you just need to summarise the suggestion better and outline the unique gameplay features this plane will bring in a short and concise manner.
bulletpoints with no more than 30 words each are good for this.
you arent writing an essay or designing a plane, you are trying to convince baha to look into making a plane that is something like this, or to inspire him into incorporating some of it into whatever he is currently working on.

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as for this being an anti sub jet, im not sure thats the best role for a fast, highly maneuverable jet.
submarines dont tend to be very fast or make sharp turns.

drifting shuttle
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it wasn't just planned to be anti-submarine, but also anti-ship.

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but that was before

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it's now back to the drawing board once again

lapis bison
drifting shuttle
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The reason for why i was adding the suggestion for submarines was cuz i was also gonna suggest various types of submarines for the editor.

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like i said though it's back to the drawing board

lapis bison
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though i dont disagree with them being a thing

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just trying to be realistic with what he can do alone

drifting shuttle
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I could stick to the original idea of a purely air superiority aircraft. It would have a role that's not really specialized in just yet much like i stated before.

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once again i know it doesn't add much to the table but im certain i can find a few things to differentiate it from there.

lapis bison
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we have an air superiority fighter already, the F-45A.
again, i would like an Su-47 or the American equivalent style fighter, but i dont think its going to happen with things as they are currently

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also need to find a way to implement this in a way that not only justifies its existence but doesnt remove the purpose of the F-45A

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they both need to co-exist

drifting shuttle
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I don't see the F-45 as an air superiority fighter. If it's anything like the F-35B (the variant it's based on), it's more of a stealth multirole fighter with advanced tech and vtol capabilities. Not dismissing it's capabilities, but it doesn't quite scream air superiority to me.

lapis bison
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i dont know a lot about that specific plane myself, i main a F/A-26B, thats the one plane ive not flown much

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i was going off my general knowledge and the wiki for that plane

vocal salmon
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none of the F-35 variants are air superiority
F-35 is a strike fighter, it's meant for strike

drifting shuttle
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my point stands true then

lapis bison
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the wiki says air superiority so i trusted the wiki.
if its wrong then great, this plane has more reason to exist

drifting shuttle
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it can be utilized in dogfighting, but it doesn't feel like an air superiority fighter to me is what i'm saying from my experience with the craft.

lapis bison
drifting shuttle
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Wait do we have a cobra button?

lapis bison
drifting shuttle
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not the g-limiter switch that doesn't count to me

lapis bison
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well then i dont think we do

vocal salmon
lapis bison
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im still not sure a fast and maneuverable jet is the right plane for an asw role

drifting shuttle
lapis bison
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is it enough though?

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only really useful for guns right?

kindred wing
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lapis bison
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and yes, the only difference between the cobra button and the g limit switch is their location

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kindred wing
lapis bison
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the cobra button is just a button, its nothing unique or special, it just has a special nickname

kindred wing
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I'm telling you how an IRL thing works, what's the problem with that?

drifting shuttle
lapis bison
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happens sometimes, it sucks i know

drifting shuttle
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if i got it right though you'd have to hold it down though, it wasn't just a toggle was it?

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wait no i looked it up

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it would briefly toggle off the flight assist to enable the cobra

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the rest was up to the pilot

lapis bison
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we can already do that

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just not exactly the same method

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its close enough though

drifting shuttle
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a more convoluted method but i guess.

lapis bison
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the current vehicles are all very different.
we cant have a plane that can do everything another can but better with just small upgrades (t-55 excluded, its a training vehicle)

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said plane would completely remove all reason to use the plane it is "replacing"

drifting shuttle
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that's why im brainstorming ideas here

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or at least attempting to get some ideas going

lapis bison
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i know, and thats why i continue to try and play devils advocate and see both sides

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i see that this is cool, but i also see how baha is developing the game, adding vehicles and that he is one person

vocal salmon
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air superiority could have

  • god tier maneuverability (which is just relative to the other planes)
  • IRST
  • side and rear radars
  • new weapons : mid range fox-2 namely, A2A ARH

That's all i can think of...

drifting shuttle
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and honestly that's a good start.

lapis bison
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side and rear radars alone might do it

drifting shuttle
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and if it had side and rear radars it could do something else that i know the F-22 is capable of

lapis bison
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as in when it comes to special features

drifting shuttle
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wait no i was wrong it can't do what i thought it could

lapis bison
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might want to make a new suggestion in a week or so once you have this all refined into an actually viable aircraft.
those 22 downvotes are a death sentence for this suggestion.
do wait a week or two though and dont put Su-47 or any other jet name in the title.

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and by refine i mean heavily refine

drifting shuttle
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Well i had a working concept name. guess it'll have to wait.

lapis bison
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cut it down to here kind of refine

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maybe a little longer

drifting shuttle
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i could try.

lapis bison
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you arent writing an essay or a design document, you are trying to catch the attention of people in here who probably dont want read multiple pages of solid text and you are trying to catch the attention of a very busy developer with not a lot of spare time on his hands.

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try to fit everything you want in as few words as you can

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sometime that means cutting a lot if stuff out

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a lot more than you want tk

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but thats why you reas through it, edit, read through again, edit etc.

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and do this over a week or so

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this will help people forget about this disaster of a thread and will help give you plenty of time to refine

vocal salmon
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just don't make a dupe if you don't want to get thrashed

drifting shuttle
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Thanks to @lapis bison for some brainstorming help I’m sure the features will make the idea come to fruition. We discussed a few things and I think there are some air superiority aspects that still need to be included.

drifting shuttle
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It unfortunately may have to happen due to the amount of dislikes already here. If it does I’m deleting this post.

lapis bison
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Remember, dont mention the irl equivalent jet, describe the complete basics of what it is in the title, then expand on it in the post

kindred wing
burnt halo
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Can't you just edit the post?

kindred wing
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He can

burnt halo
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Then why delete it? To wipe the downvotes off?

kindred wing
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Yeah, he already did it once

burnt halo
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Bruh

lapis bison
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now that he has a solid idea and has a better understanding of how to word the post (less words, a lot less), i feel that it is okay for one more wipe.
after that though, just let it die or mod it in

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kindred wing
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And what's wrong with that?

Sometimes things don't work out and it's important to learn from that

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kindred wing
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and blocked.

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not gonna listen to this anymore

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you were the catalyst for the downfall of this post.

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and i got no shame in saying that

kindred wing
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Don't really have a problem with that, in it's current state I think this isn't an aircraft worth implementing anytime in the future

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the victimhood is insane

drifting shuttle
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victimhood?

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brother i'm putting that in the past at this point and looking towards the future. I'm not looking to give him satisfaction anymore.

vocal salmon
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Noooo everyone is bullying me, my suggestion just needs a little improvment and you won't help !
Maybe if i redo it for the 3rd time it will magically get 100 upvootes.

No dude it's just not a good suggestion, and when that was pointed out you took it personally, move on

drifting shuttle
# vocal salmon Noooo everyone is bullying me, my suggestion just needs a little improvment and ...

So I should just allow people to say “bad plane” and not elaborate further? Good idea man. Lemme just not get the constructive feedback I need to improve the idea further and sit there wondering what exactly it was that I did wrong in the post. Genius thinking. Extraordinary even.

Dude, I don’t understand why people think that’s just supposed to be the thing that makes a difference: saying one thing then refusing to elaborate until I have to get aggressive and push for the reason. It doesn’t fix the problem. It makes it worse in the long run.

stoic lynx
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I don’t look to people to see if it’s popular. I look to them to help further improve the idea. That’s my point.

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It doesn’t help when all I usually get is “idea bad” without further elaboration.

vocal salmon