MIG-29

[runic goblet]

With the older style cockpit, makes it feel more interactive

[trim mica]

It's kind of my Redesigned FA-26B.
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Big ass LERX

I do want a late cold war fighter design, inside and out

[eternal lynx]

ok I'm gonna make it simple

• What new game mechanics would this bring
• How is this unique from every other suggestion
• What would make Baha want to create this
• What would make player want to use this
• What would make players enjoy this

@runic goblet

[trim mica]

no need to be like that

It's just a suggestion, easy

[eternal lynx]

But there are rules, rules are meant to be followed?

like there is an FAQ and read first page.

https://discord.com/channels/319915885575798785/1243595148823363704

[trim mica]

Bro. it ain't that deep. Leave the Moderation to the mods

[eternal lynx]

And I'm not allowed to ask what new game mechanics would this bring?

cool

[outer zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

[trim mica]

It just seems like people's go to reply to a new aircraft suggestion. If Baha doesn't like it, he can reject the suggestion and we can move on

[eternal lynx]

if there's no information given to the suggestion and it's just "add this plane pls" with no extra information then it should be auto denied by what you're saying

[trim mica]

"new features when"
"what new thing will this bring to the game"
Literally no discussion can take place unless people talk to each other, without jumping to the "READ THE RULES AND FAQ BUDDY!"

[eternal lynx]

I'm asking what the new features this would bring

and you're making a scene of it

[outer zenith]

It’s not really a scene he’s just talking it’s discord not a super market

[eternal lynx]

I'm just jumping straight to the chase with this, asking what this would do to stand out from the FA26, T55, EF24, AH94, AV42, F45

and from the dozen aircraft suggestions there are

[outer zenith]

I still stand by if the asf-58 wasn’t in the game a su-57 style aircraft would work

[eternal lynx]

but sure a mog29 would be fun, but what would it bring to the table? would it just be the plane and use the same missiles and bombs as everyone else?

[wooden dagger]

People shit on unique new feature suggestions anyway

[trim mica]

I'd love to see variation of existing craft, rather than new ones

[wooden dagger]

I would love to see new content added to existing aircraft, yeah

The F-26 needs a redesign

[trim mica]

Preach 🗣️

[clear aspen]

An older style cockpit, a less forgiving flight control system that’s more manual

It would be a lotttt more fun to fly than the perfect 1g trim aerodynamically stable aircraft

Plus we have no flyable redfor or Russian inspired aircrsft

A MiG 29 inspired aircraft would be fun to fly

[trim mica]

The playable aircraft in VTOL are all western based anyways, without mods, I don't think we'll ever see a non- NATO style aircraft

[clear aspen]

If it has to be western something that would be unique and that follows this could be like an f104 I guess?

Kinda a shitty suggestion but you could make it have insane speed or something

I dunno I just want an older style plane

But that’s not rlly this games style

[eternal lynx]

EF24

[eternal lynx]

F104 was a death trap

[clear aspen]

Was

[eternal lynx]

it claimed more lives of its own than it claimed of its enemies

[clear aspen]

Im talking mach 2.5 with weapon load shit

[eternal lynx]

was because they stopped using it as soon as a replacement came out

[eternal lynx]

yeah..? ef24

[clear aspen]

It does not hit mach 2.5 easily with weapons and fuel

[eternal lynx]

not easily but it'll do it

also mach is relative to altitude

[clear aspen]

was because this game takes place in a futuristic universe

[hollow oak]

i don't think the point of a low tech plane/CW plane is the point

the point is more hands on required, less automation, worse weapons

[clear aspen]

Not in the suggestion but I was responding to

[clear aspen]

this

[clear aspen]

That sounds like low tech...

less advanced FLCS and such

[hollow oak]

yeah

id don't think the 104 would be the best basis for it tho

F-4 makes most sense

[clear aspen]

true I guess but I dont know how you would make an f-4 that unique compared to other aircraft

We've already got an EW aircraft

[hollow oak]

it being low tech not enough ?

[clear aspen]

Maybe??

Idk depends on how low tech but then it wouldn't be feasible to use anywhere except for fun unless it had a gimick

[hollow oak]

the whole point would be the low tech, it would indeed be inferior to the other jets, just like how the 45 is superior

[trim mica]

Honestly, if it were a full analog cockpit MiG-29 analog, I'd love to see it in VTOL

Especially a Fulcrum-like aircraft with western armament

Yes, I know the second image is from Ace Combat, and a Flanker, but the idea is still there

The Fulcrum is one of my dearest most favorite non-US aircraft

I'd love to see it become a direct competitor to the 26B

[junior swan]

I say keep it as a light fighter

[trim mica]

Meh, a MiG-21 would make more sense as a light fighter for playable redfor

The MiG-29 is a multirole interceptor with rudimentary ground attack capability.
I'd say the major thing it could bring to VTOL is IRST

[junior swan]

Maybe mix a little bit of flanker in there too then if it

it's supposed to compete with the wasp

[trim mica]

Yeah for sure

Something like a MiG-29/Su-33 mix would be awesome to fly

[junior swan]

I need to learn how to use blender so I can make stuff like this

[trim mica]

The problem is having a group of people that care enough to see one idea in-game, let alone all 1,000 ideas we have all come up with in the last how many years for VTOL

[junior swan]

We fr could make a new game purely off suggestions

[trim mica]

If there was something a lot of people wanted to see and enough of us had free time and motivation, we could focus on one popular idea first and try to get that added

[trim mica]

Or a couple new ones at this rate.

[trim mica]

Time to break out one of my year+ old models in Blender and rework it

[junior swan]

defo round out the nose just a little bit

[trim mica]

Well if it's VTOLified, it has to be semi-futuristic, but yeah, I'm working on redoing the nose and wings and intakes and the whole thing.
I've learned a lot by modeling the past year or so since I did this one

[trim mica]

Yeah, I know the intakes are still very boxy and the engines are spread just a bit too far apart to be a complete MiG-29 replica, but it's a more mixed flanker/fulcrum type mix than replica

[trim mica]

People want a low tech 26? This is as close as we get without it being a 26

And redfor people get a happy medium between a flanker and what we have already

Ish

See now I’m invested in this suggestion

[junior swan]

Fucking perfect

[clear aspen]

Get this piece of shit on a payroll for this game right now

[hollow oak]

third party module making for VTOL ?

[heady sentinel]

I'm working on a western mig 29, I'll send it when I finish it

[trim mica]

Sick

[junior swan]

Oooh

Could use 2D thrust vectoring for a more American feel

[hollow oak]

it’s supposed to be low tech

[junior swan]

Thrust vectoring is pretty low tech

look at the russians

[clear aspen]

???

What are you talking abt

Low tech as in late Cold War stuff like the mig29 and su27

Thrust vectoring takes a fuckkkk ton of engineering

[eternal lynx]

What???

[clear aspen]

Warthunder forum ass mf

[trim mica]

TVC has only been really popular since the very late 80s

[heady sentinel]

My design is not touching thrust vectering in the slightest, I'm tempted to add canards but I'm not sure

[trim mica]

I figured we already have a delta canard as the F-45 fits that bill

[clear aspen]

The su35 had canards, j don’t see a problem with it

[gentle bluff]

No it doesn’t

The Su-30 does, and Su-33 too

The Su-35 doesn’t though

[clear aspen]

fuck su 30

[hollow oak]

the 34 does as well right ?

and the J-15

[heady sentinel]

I was thinking non moving canards, like the ones on the kfir

[trim mica]

Interesting idea, I think they’d look silly on a flanker derivative

[heady sentinel]

It's based off a mig 29 though

[trim mica]

Looks a bit silly

[heady sentinel]

I actually kinda like it, when I left off yesterday I was redesigning the nose

It's also going to be larger than a mig 29

[trim mica]

I like my other design too. The nose had strakes the whole way up like a mini-YF-23 nose

I forgot to take screenshots of that one

[heady sentinel]

Ok, if you can make something that describes it I might use that

[trim mica]

I’m away from my PC on Christmas vacation this week, I’ll be back at it sometime soon

[junior swan]

I fw this design

[gaunt marsh]

nooooooooo

[runic goblet]

See this is the thing. Adding a mig-29 (or any eastern style aircraft for that matter) would bring a very cool dynamic to the game that doesn’t exist as of now in terms of pvp. There are options to fight like the su-57 style fighter, but it isn’t flyable. It would bring a new experience to the game, due to the difference in Russian and American engineering, and it would make it easier to expand combat expectations when fighting against real players. Again, eastern engineering prioritizes different things than western engineering, and it would be a very cool factor to see in-game, along with different weapons that introduce new gameplay standards. I do understand we already have the T-55/FA-50, but it’s a single engine trainer that is not really up to par in BVR with aircraft like the EF-24 of FA-26. The contrast between aircraft would greatly improve the dynamic of air-to-air combat for Players and I think that is very important, fighting aircraft from the same team as you is boring (e. EF-24 vs. F-45). Fighting a western style jet in something like a mig-29 would greatly reduce this issue, and would make the experience of BVR and BFM combat a lot more enjoyable in the long run.

[runic goblet]

^When I say EF-24 vs. F-45 I mean they are both heavily based on American built fighters

[runic goblet]

This request clearly does not combat any rules mentioned in the FAQ?? The FAQ literally says you can request playable aircraft

@eternal lynx

[eternal lynx]

#faq message

[eternal lynx]

Again; what new gameplay features would this add?

Like what would make this plane completely different from the FA26B, like what would this plane do that the others can’t?

Like sure this would add a new cockpit design, but that’s about it, there’s nothing really too unique about that in terms of gameplay mechanics, like the EF24 brought advanced electronic warfare, the AH94 brought rotary wing, the F45 brought stealth, the AV42 was the first plane and it brought vertical take off and landing, the FA26B brought multirole and proper air to air combat, the T55 brought liveries and was the first fixed wing multicrew

I’d honestly rather have Baha spend a time making a aircraft that does something completely unique that other aircraft can’t in terms of gameplay mechanics

Quality > Quantity

I just don’t see what would make baha want to add the mig29 as a reskinned fa26b? In the FAQ he stated he hopes that all aircraft he adds bring new gameplay elements and mechanics to the game, along with that the aircraft should be mostly fictional

In my eyes this would just be an FA26B reskin

[hollow oak]

-IRST
-mid range fox-2
-passive radar homing AAM
-eastern style cockpit and systems
-articulated gun pods
-true thrust vectoring

None of these would make it drastically different from a 26.
It certainly wouldn’t be as new and unique gameplay as some other potential aircraft

which is why is should be far from a priority
new aircraft in general shouldn’t be priority imo

[heady sentinel]

you have an idea on what else he could do even? there's tactical bombers but im pretty sure you were clear that you didn't want them and ASW which would'nt really work if it was the only thing it could do it would have to function as a strike fighter also, and IRST