🤔｜theories

[shy pecan]

Yeah, Dale's parents could be dead

[azure bay]

I'm very sure you're mistaken here

[delicate atlas]

Yes.....😦

[mild owl]

That’s deep!

[delicate atlas]

How so?

I'm interested in hearing your take

[azure bay]

Paradox takes place before Birthday

[mild owl]

Does it?

[delicate atlas]

Really????

[covert wyvern]

that depends on when you define birthday as taking place

[mild owl]

Let me go grab the timeline

[covert wyvern]

butye

[delicate atlas]

This whole time I thought he visited his memories first while descending in the lake

[shy pecan]

It just says 1972

[azure bay]

Before Bday the game

[delicate atlas]

Got to the room underneath the lake and got into paradox

[azure bay]

he was riding upwards both in Bday and Theatre

[delicate atlas]

Omg I've never noticed that

[shy pecan]

Ya know, that's a good point

[delicate atlas]

And the end of cave is after paradox right?

[mild owl]

It doesn’t show paradox…

[azure bay]

it's too old

[mild owl]

However birthday is very far back…

[azure bay]

the original event

but here we're speaking of Dale returning back

[mild owl]

Is that not what it shows?

I suppose you are correct

[shy pecan]

So birthday the game starts with Dale in the elevator. We're enter the puzzle after clicking on a cube

[mild owl]

Does anyone know Dales Birthday?

Like birth date

[shy pecan]

1939?

[azure bay]

18 December 1930

[mild owl]

Wait no because 1939 was his 9th birthday

Ok yeah you’re right

So this is wrong.

They must’ve only took the year from the game

[viscid veldt]

Dale would be 121 if he was alive today

Not technically impossible

[shy pecan]

He would be 82

[mild owl]

Well the worlds oldest man irl is like 220 or something

[shy pecan]

Wait, I'm wrong too

92

[mild owl]

Yes

[sage token]

My great grandpa lived longer than that, it's 100% possible

[mild owl]

Older than 220?

[viscid veldt]

This is it, the stupidest thing I've ever typed on the internet

[sage token]

92

[viscid veldt]

I can't believe it

[mild owl]

Oh wait no

Yes sorry, I thought you were responding to me...

[shy pecan]

If that's the stupidest thing you ever say on the Internet you're in good shape.

So Paradox happens, Dale still has to deal with his past, so Harvey and Mr Owl help him with that.

[azure bay]

Don't get how Harvey was helping

[shy pecan]

If he really changed his past a lot could chance for him.

I think Harvey sent the package

[azure bay]

a bird?

[shy pecan]

He signed it

[azure bay]

he signed a postcard

[shy pecan]

Oh okay

[azure bay]

the letter was from Owl

[shy pecan]

But yeah, you think Dale would be a different person if his parents were not killed?

[azure bay]

we can never know

[blazing elm]

we know that lake changes his memories if they were alive maybe the lake will change that memory too

[azure bay]

I don't really get your message

[blazing elm]

srry for bad english

[shy pecan]

It's okay

I just imagine Dale changing his past and thinking "Wait, when did I become a detective?"

"I sell insurance. What happened?"

[azure bay]

I think Dale created a different timeline

My reasoning is the following:

I see no reasons not to trust Seasons

because the notes

but

[shy pecan]

I have one reason not to trust the seasons. Actually it's just a humerus observation.

[azure bay]

it's what?

[shy pecan]

Prozac was not available at the time it was placed in the candle.

[azure bay]

ok, I'll reiterate

I see no reasons not to trust Seasons' ending

[blazing elm]

i frgot the seasons' ending

[azure bay]

Laura's alive in winter 1981

but

[shy pecan]

I was just being nerdy. I thought you'd find it funny or interesting.

[blazing elm]

didnt she die in autumn

[azure bay]

I'm taking that shit too seriously

[azure bay]

originally yes

but she went back 10 years after

but I digress

I see no reason not to trust Seasons' ending but that would ultimately cancel Dale's storyline if we were thinking butterfly effect

the butterfly effect in time travel fiction can create grandfather paradox

so there's another way to portray time travel

solving this paradox

when a person arrives from the future they basically create a new timeline

are you with me?

or do I need to explain something?

[blazing elm]

tbh

i dont know anything about cube escape series' lore

i only know roots and paradise

[azure bay]

Roots and Paradise are spin-off prequels

you definitely need to play through the main storyline

[blazing elm]

tbh i played them all but i only remember the season bc i played it 5 moths ago paradox bc i like playing when im bored and the caves beacuse i was playing it years ago and i was stuck for a month

and then i remember that these games exist by findin samsara room in steam and playing it thein i remember that roots and paradise exist too i was watching their ideos years ago buti forgot them so i played them too

but ngl cube escape series are boring compared to paradise aand roots

thats why i didnt play them again

[azure bay]

depends on the individual game

[blazing elm]

i played seasons bc of release of cube escape collection

[blazing elm]

anyways as i said i dont remember cube escape series other than caves,seasons and paradox

[azure bay]

Case 23 is story rich

The Mill is bts for Case 23

Birthay and Theatre are ones of the best

[blazing elm]

i tried to play it after seasons in cube escape collection but it was very hard

[blazing elm]

oh i forgot about them

i remember theatre too

i found rusty lake series by theatre

but i think its not very important about the story

[azure bay]

it very important lore-wise

[delicate atlas]

It explains the concept of samsara

And it kinda shows how Dale interacted with Bob

[floral mauve]

theatre was also my first RL game xd, I played it back in 2016, I thought there wasnt any plot behind this game, just cube escape. I remember the game to well that it gives me the trauma of random man shot himself in the bar xd. sorry those arent theories

just random theatre trauma

[delicate atlas]

What really traumatized me was when he put his finger in the whole inside his head 🗿

[azure bay]

he seemed shocked himself

[blazing elm]

aame

same*

[blazing elm]

lauras and the blue ladys death was traumatized me

[mild owl]

Theatre was HARD though?

[floral mauve]

blue lady?

[blazing elm]

1st stage

[floral mauve]

u mean first scene?

oh

[blazing elm]

ye

[floral mauve]

alright

[mild owl]

What happened in the first scene?

[floral mauve]

she didnt die, she just changed her dress xd

[mild owl]

She got stabbed?

No?

[blazing elm]

she screamed so hard that she shredded her throat

[mild owl]

Oof

[blazing elm]

then her ghost appeared

[azure bay]

well, that's motly accurate

[mild owl]

Wasn’t the woman rose?

Well her dress looked a lot like rose’s

[blazing elm]

wdym

[azure bay]

why would she be?

[azure bay]

that wasn't real ghost. It was still a costume

[mild owl]

And the hat where she said “balance the substances from my past lives” i swear she had her grandma or great grandmas hat?

[blazing elm]

she looks like ms.pheasant/elizabeth

[blazing elm]

wait

that hat was mary's

so

is elizabeth...

emma?

[azure bay]

not sure about Elizabeth but you are right about Pheasant

[blazing elm]

waith

emma or what

i forgor her name

oof

[azure bay]

relax, it's likely Pheasant's hat from Hotel

[mild owl]

Well we aren’t 100% sure about anything tbh because Rusty Lake always has the most random but still decent stories

[blazing elm]

oof

so elizabeth is bpth emma and mary

[mild owl]

no?

Hm?

[blazing elm]

was her name emily

omg someone help

[azure bay]

what's your problem?

[blazing elm]

i forgot her name(theb londe lady from rusty lake roots)

[floral mauve]

stop

calm down

[azure bay]

her name is Emma and she doesn't seem related to any other game

[blazing elm]

oh ok

[azure bay]

unlike Elizabeth from Paradise

but that's true about her family as a whole

[mild owl]

I have paradise but haven’t played it yet lol

[blazing elm]

tbh its very gud

[mild owl]

Roots takes 5 years

But I’m taking my time because I actually like the lore

[azure bay]

tbh I was disappointed by it after Roots. Until I started digging into a deeper lore of it

[blazing elm]

when i knew nothing about lore paradise was very boring to me

[mild owl]

Now I feel like I should have done paradise first?

[floral mauve]

nah

[azure bay]

no, Paradise goes one of the last dev's recommended order-wise

[floral mauve]

it dosent make much difference

[azure bay]

it makes Paradox more clear

[mild owl]

Ooh ok!

[floral mauve]

yea

that

[white tiger]

Can someone explain why william became a corrupted soul while aldous became a psuedo immortal crow?

[azure bay]

They were the elixir pair

one was sacrificed in the other's favor

William died

but his corruption may have a different reason

[mild owl]

Isn’t my theory but people are saying that Dog (Arnold) could turn into Mr.Dog because he drank the elixir! What do you think?

[covert wyvern]

The dog didn't start out as a human so I find it unlikely

[mild owl]

I mean it’s never been tested on an animal before so it could make him something completely different

[covert wyvern]

And yet for centuries we've seen him as naught but a dog

[mild owl]

I wish they make a whole game for him or something

Like his experience and his side of the story

[covert wyvern]

That could b fun

[mild owl]

Mhm

Because he out-lives the whole family tree…

[covert wyvern]

I think it would b fun to know what happens to him after roots and before cave, maybe? Maybe it'll make an appearance during the young Laura game

(if that ever comes)

[mild owl]

Yeah that would be pretty cool! Like how did he even get into the cave in the first place?

[delicate atlas]

Regarding the cave

Is the cave from the cave, roots, and paradise the same?

[sage token]

I was thinking in my fanfiction that someone goes to the Vanderboom house and finds the alchemist lab that has a passageway to the cave. The wall texture looks very similar iirc.

[floral mauve]

that will be a super tunnel

engineer Owl can do it

[safe lynx]

Owl believe it

[sage token]

Just head canon but I was thinking that space and time works differently at Rusty Lake.
cough cough pocket dimension cough cough
Traveling what seems like a short distance underground can transport someone halfway across the town (ie from the Vanderboom house to The Cave, which iirc is a bit of a ways away) Time doesn't seem to pass in TWD unless the patient follows a schedule. (Again, just head canon.)

[azure bay]

The Cave cave is seen on the map in Case 23.

The Roots cellar is under the tree

The Paradise cave is under the island

[delicate atlas]

thanks

[floral mauve]

emmmm so Giant White cube is at -1 floor of Hotel?

but isnt that impossible considering its still a bit away from the shore?

from what we observed in Paradise

[azure bay]

in Hotel the island was depicted like floating

Paradise didn't explicitly contradict that

[floral mauve]

what island

wha

I dont get it

Hotel was built on Paradise

I know

but what do u mean by floating

bruh

[azure bay]

I mean no apparent connection to the bottom

[floral mauve]

is it like a giant ship or what

[floral mauve]

thats fair enough

[azure bay]

or the bottom is in a different dimension idk

[floral mauve]

I mean

its reasonable

they got naraka down there

but that raised another question

preta is the ghosts that cant enter hell but still suffering in the man's world. According to RL, CS is in the lake or down at the bottom of the lake, where the naraka or hell forest is

thats confusion

nvm

I know its a boring topic but I have a new finding and I think its quite reasonable

We never know much about the hell stage in samsara

when I replayed theatre and seasons last year

the red forest reminds me of a hell I read somewhere

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eight_Cold_Hells

just for pure research purpose

I hope that I am not straying away from the topic

but yea thats my findings

[azure bay]

Could you please write an excerpt of the part reminding you the red forest?

[floral mauve]

lotus ones

basically, the trees are sharp and red because its like blood all over on them

or flesh

[azure bay]

I'm not seeing any mention of trees

[floral mauve]

maybe rather than trees

those are giant sharp plants

with blood and flesh covered on them

in hell

[azure bay]

technically, the forest is black

[floral mauve]

it should be

[azure bay]

it's the surrounding that's red

[floral mauve]

yea

forrest itself is black

covered in blood

perhaps

[azure bay]

I tend to think it's due to red water

[floral mauve]

too much iron?

[azure bay]

maybe, not sure

I'm rather speaking of the red tint seen on the early games flyers

and in Theatre

[floral mauve]

thats what I am talking about

the theatre gives me the blood forrest vibe thing

[azure bay]

I'm talking about the actual lake you see around the elevator

are you?

[floral mauve]

the actual forrest didnt show much blood or red

I thought

only in the night

[azure bay]

forest itself has no red in any given game

[floral mauve]

yea

[azure bay]

it's just a reddish gradient near the surface

seen in Theatre, The Cave ending and old RL flyers

[floral mauve]

well we dont know if its near the surface

[azure bay]

it's near the surface at least on the flyers

And Theatre is closer to it than Bday

[floral mauve]

could be like red sea

mineral rich

[sage token]

Rust

[floral mauve]

yea

[sage token]

Yee

[floral mauve]

iron

oxidized

[sage token]

Iron is also in blood though

[floral mauve]

it would probably takes more than thousands of corpse to fill the entire lake

[sage token]

Oh I don't think the blood comes from corpses. If The Lake is red from blood, it would just kinda be that way. In Paradise, The Lake just turns to blood. It's one of the plagues. (OR living things need blood and if The Lake is a sentient living thing, it could have lifeblood.)

[manic brook]

This is more conceptual and probably unlikely but i like to think that its the lake rebelling against the unnatural things happening at the lake, the same way that corrupted souls are the result of unnatural or improper memory... theft?

[covert wyvern]

I think seeing the lake as unwilling is a really interesting take, actually.

[azure bay]

I wouldn't say CS are created by the lake

Nor I'd say that they are all tied to memory extraction

[manic brook]

we see that laura becomes a corrupted soul during memory extraction in the mill
also the CS arent created by the lake per se but I think the lake turning red and the dead folks turning into corrupted souls are both results of bad science/magic

[azure bay]

Bob and Van Gogh go corrupted due to their madness

no magic nor science

we could argue the same about Caroline and the guests

they seem to just horribly die

[manic brook]

that is fair. same with bob i guess

[half elm]

what I think is interesting is that "hungry ghosts", in real life religion, are believed to be caused by family misconduct

unfortunately i can't access most sources for more detailed information as some are hidden inside books that aren't available online. but wikipedia has pretty good information (i assume some already know about this, but just reminding about it)

basically, corruption seems to be the cause of memory extraction, evil deeds and being immoral

i do find the family and ancestors part interesting though, as there's a big focus on the two families who lived by the lake

[floral mauve]

buddhism seems to set karma as the benchmark

whereas RL, its different

u dont need to behave good in order to be asura

and u can become the CS while being a victim

so it is related to negativity mostly I think

[azure bay]

I wonder how neglect of ancestors coexists with karma

how exactly the former works?

[half elm]

that's why i was curious about the family!

also, interesting thing if laura did take her own life:

[floral mauve]

yea

committing suicide is always unforgivable(negative)

no matter in which religion

[azure bay]

we don't know what was happening to her before her memories were disturbed

[floral mauve]

thats the problem we have been discussing

what does it mean by taking her own life

does her CS count as herself?

or her negativity

[half elm]

maybe a mix...? i mean, it's viewed equally as bad as killing somebody

[azure bay]

I don't think it was her CS. Either a depression metaphor or someone else's soul. But that doesn't change the fact that it was her hand welding the knife

[floral mauve]

yea

if its her hand

does it mean that its suicide

[azure bay]

if the system is that dogmatic, it does count as such

[floral mauve]

despite the fact that thats a very unusual way of commiting suicide

if I do that I would rather jump off the building or drown myself or drug overdose

slit her own throat in her own will

is very painful since she died cause of blood loss

[tribal sundial]

(That's simply painful and long)

[floral mauve]

slowly

yea

[azure bay]

I think a buddhist would find a way to blame her in one way or another

[floral mauve]

yea but still

it is bizzare way of committing suicide

unless she was possessed

and cant feel pain

[azure bay]

or just insane

[floral mauve]

yea

[half elm]

it is defintely? but maybe she just. wanted to go out the hard way

[floral mauve]

bruh

[half elm]

also, adds more mystery

[azure bay]

unlikely

[floral mauve]

if I choose a method, I would go for a less painful and fast one

[azure bay]

I think that's the major reason. It's what probably the devs had in mind

[floral mauve]

and make sure I will be dead

[tribal sundial]

(Exactly)

[floral mauve]

we discussed this half year ago I believe

[covert wyvern]

if you're going to commit suicide out of some sort of punishment to yourself why not make it a painfully slow one ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[floral mauve]

BRUH

[tribal sundial]

(Because it's not nice)

[floral mauve]

I mean even Bob did it smoother

[azure bay]

You can turn the situation in a way that it's her fault. She was too weak to resist either madness or evil forces

[tribal sundial]

(But it depends on a person's state of mind)

[floral mauve]

indeed

blaming the victim is kinda sad

but whatever

[azure bay]

Laura doesn't seem too sane indeed

[floral mauve]

she is not sane at all

[azure bay]

eating bad eggs, stabbing corpses

[floral mauve]

btw the most common ways of commiting suicide back then was hanging and drug overdose

among female groups

among male the top no.1 was gun

I read this several years ago

[azure bay]

"Brooks was here"

[floral mauve]

ooof

I love that film

[azure bay]

Welp

Sometimes we are obliged to admit being wrong

Happy birthday, Albert

No new game yet

[floral mauve]

oh

its his birthday

just realised that

[azure bay]

Nor announcements

[floral mauve]

xd

its still too early

perhaps dutch ppl are having siestas

jk

[covert wyvern]

@karmic carbon please avoid random nonsensical messages in the server, thanks.

O they left

Lmao

[analog yacht]

Strange person

[shy pecan]

Happy birthday to Sam and Emma

[azure bay]

sorry, you are 1 day late

[shy pecan]

If only I was on time. Could have saved them.

Actually does anyone else find it weird that Ida foresaw her own death and she just kinda went with it?

[azure bay]

a fatalist

[shy pecan]

Brutal

[covert wyvern]

if it is by the same threads of fate you weave and put on display you are bound, why fight it.

[shy pecan]

Because you might get to live?

[covert wyvern]

good argument!

[shy pecan]

Wouldn't it have been great if Ida raised Rose?

[covert wyvern]

perhaps she foresaw that would've been worse.

I honestly dont know

[azure bay]

I'm betting on no one having thought it through

[shy pecan]

Ida be like "No really, I'm a bad mom."

[wheat temple]

Sorry butt in but

If she was alive wouldn’t she ahve to get r****?

[azure bay]

yeah, right. There wouldn't be Rose if Ida was alive

[shy pecan]

Apparently all you gotta do is some gardening

suddenly remembers Leonard and Rose are half siblings.

[floral mauve]

What if Ida decided to stay because of love, she loves both her husband and her son, so even she know that she will die, she wont regret

this sounds more human isnt it

[covert wyvern]

aye valid angle too

[floral mauve]

as I said, all mother figures in RL are quite positive

[azure bay]

potentially she could do something to prevent Albert's atrocities and live happily together afterwards

I mean with Sam and Leo

they could probably escape together

[floral mauve]

perhaps her prophecy isnt that specific

or even herself is in denial?

[azure bay]

she seemed to know everything

and has shown it to William

even things past her death

[floral mauve]

then I guess she just a mixture of fatalist and live in the moment woman

[azure bay]

there could also be a greater purpose

Crow always speaks of William's rebirth as it's a very big deal

"Their legacy will be of a great importance"

"The fate of Rusty Lake..."

is there a plot hole?

[shy pecan]

Probably not Mrs Pigeon. Awful mom.

[azure bay]

the bird she tortured looked nothing like pigeon

[sage token]

It was grey

[shy pecan]

So she's just torturing a strange child?

[sage token]

fades back into the background

[azure bay]

I can say nothing about that bird

not even sure if it was Asura

[floral mauve]

does this make it better

jk

[shy pecan]

I mean it's like "That's an awful mom." "Technically she's not an awful mom because she just took that kid out of a stroller at a Safeway."

[sage token]

Omg what if there are non-asura bird people walking around?

[floral mauve]

[shy pecan]

What is Asura?

[floral mauve]

talking animal ppl who act smart

[azure bay]

a form of existence Owl and Crow share

[floral mauve]

yea

that

[shy pecan]

Oh. Is Harvey there too or no?

[floral mauve]

technically yes

[covert wyvern]

previously, aye.

[floral mauve]

he was

[azure bay]

during Hotel

not after and supposedly not before

[sage token]

Harvey is ancient though and Hotel is only like a week long

[floral mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

not necessarily a week

the guests were seen before

[shy pecan]

Side note, Harvey kills the most people in the RL universe

[floral mauve]

in roots

[covert wyvern]

so youd reckon theyre frequent visitors?

[floral mauve]

thats what we concluded

[covert wyvern]

ye that seems like a good concept

[floral mauve]

all the rest can be explained pretty much but Boar is the only issue

[sage token]

But the Hotel game only covers a short amount of time.

[covert wyvern]

I could get behind it.

[azure bay]

unless what we see in Roots is a pure gameplay or a time anomaly

[sage token]

I'm just nitpicking don't mind me

[floral mauve]

but I think we can figure it out in some way

[shy pecan]

What makes Mister Boar an issue?

[covert wyvern]

Lynn Nitpicking is this channels second name

(complimentary)

[floral mauve]

Owl's letter

[shy pecan]

Or right

[floral mauve]

the guests were first seen in 1870 in roots

they were killed in 1893

[azure bay]

no, the job you do is important. It keeps the stubborn theorists like me in check

[floral mauve]

there are two ways of interpreting this:

1. they are regular visitors
2. there are two or more groups of them

[sage token]

I never said the guests weren't seen in Roots. But Hotel only takes place in 1893. To say that Harvey didn't exist as an asura before Hotel (1893) while he has been confirmed to be something "ancient" is where I have my problem

[azure bay]

I'm not taking other groups like that existing

[floral mauve]

me neither

it was a really really old theory

when Roots was out

[azure bay]

I don't think Harvey became asura just to kill the guests. I expect it happening some time after Crow started working for Owl

[sage token]

I know it's just the wording of this bothers me. Nitpicking, as I said

[azure bay]

better tell what's the problem with Boar's letter

[floral mauve]

well I am not good at explaining

Boar's letter shows that Owl welcomed ambassador as if it was the first time

a place for him to relax and chill

[azure bay]

my reasoning is, either the Roots scene is not what it seems or the letter

[floral mauve]

my guess is, the letter was there for a long time

just pinged on the wall

since they are regular guests

its their room

[azure bay]

I don't think it was ever pinned to the wall

[floral mauve]

I dont remember

bruh

[azure bay]

no

I mean

it's an exposition tool

that doesn't make sense in reality

you just don't pin your letters to a wall

[floral mauve]

I see

but

the other rooms seem to be logical

with those decorations

[azure bay]

more or less

I'm taking for granted that the letter existed

yet, as you pinpointed, we don't have a date

[floral mauve]

I mean Boar seems to know what he is gonna have

[sage token]

Also "ancient" for me feels like at least a thousand years. I got the impression that Harvey was older than Owl because of this.

[floral mauve]

Yes

he was

way older

[azure bay]

I feel the same way

yet he could ascend while being 500yo

and still be considered ancient

(theoretically speaking)

[floral mauve]

well

emmm

idk

ancient for me is like caveman and dinosaurs

[azure bay]

these are details

we all agree that it's not 200, as many try to argue

[floral mauve]

the only thing I think the devs messed up is Harvey's image in seasons

he looks like a baby parrot

[azure bay]

I personally still betting on 22000yo (I want to believe in 20K BC still being a thing)

[floral mauve]

since its the earliest game

[azure bay]

Baby parrots look nothing like adult ones

[floral mauve]

which one is more possible after tpw

young laura or 22000 bc

[floral mauve]

I just wanted to say Harvey in seasons looks slightly different than his later images

[azure bay]

Something tells me 20K BC is not as secret as they anticipated in their yesterday sneaky post reply

[floral mauve]

how are they gonna link 20k bc with that post

[azure bay]

with what?

[floral mauve]

I thought they linked two families

[azure bay]

The Day of The Lake isn't connected purely to Eilanders

altered Caroline's book for Paradox implies it being relevant for Dale

[floral mauve]

Oh I see where you are going

[azure bay]

I'm not going anywhere specific

[floral mauve]

I know

but still

its an approach

trying to link everything

[azure bay]

I was going to type that TDoTL isn't really relevant to 20K BC

but it could be

[floral mauve]

wha

oh

I see

bruh

[azure bay]

in case it's going to be the lake's origin

or the cult origin

[floral mauve]

a cult since 20k bc is no longer a cult

its religion

since ppl believe in it for that long

[azure bay]

a cult is always a cult no matter how old and widespread it is

it's usually about controlling its disciples

[sage token]

But how did he live to be 500 without being ascended?

[azure bay]

that question would be relevant even for Owl

or any other asura

Owl and Crow are getting weak by 1972

Harvey is an anomaly either way

[floral mauve]

I started replaying twd, and I realised that the reason for Bob to go to the theatre is very simple

he saw the poster in his favorite cafe

after Laura left he decided to go there for...idk change his views

[azure bay]

YES!!!!

FREAKING YESS!!1!!

The mammoth is alive!!!

[floral mauve]

wha

then why would we make stupid assumptions last time

[azure bay]

what assumptions?

[floral mauve]

of him get drunk in random bars

[azure bay]

I'm speaking of 20K BC

[floral mauve]

?

I am confused

[covert wyvern]

@floral mauve do check #📯｜rl-announcements

[floral mauve]

Oh

that

yes

mammoth

I did check

thx for reminding me again

[covert wyvern]

lmao ofc.

[floral mauve]

I thought he is making sarcasm

[covert wyvern]

no no no

there is actual news to be had today

[floral mauve]

I know

I am dumb

[azure bay]

Rusty Lake Escape?

Metro? (considering The Story Continues achievement)

and 4 seemingly random letters

D T I P

[floral mauve]

but first of all

is that a reliable source for puzzle hints

did the officials submit a commision to this artist or it is just an excellent fan art

[ivory girder]

there's also an N which seems to mean the past is never dead

[azure bay]

It's an encrypted road map

[floral mauve]

oh

right

I get it now

look closely to the map

sorry

I only slept 4 hours

is that N or M

under the bus

[azure bay]

(I think I found Victor and NoFlavor)

Rose with sunglasses and young Laura

[high talon]

It's a N

[floral mauve]

what are we suppose to be looking for?

a code?

[azure bay]

anything peculiar

[floral mauve]

in a specific permutation?

also

is it suitable to carry on the convo here not #🩸｜general-chat

[azure bay]

I feel it's mostly appropriate here as well

[floral mauve]

as long as damy doesnt mind

I guess

its fine

I see all 4 cubes

DTPIN

[ivory girder]

T P I N D (the past is never dead)

[floral mauve]

good one

[azure bay]

my praises

[ivory girder]

it has been mentioned in general chat before lol i just repeated it

[covert wyvern]

its fine here too

any deeper theorising should happen here regardless

but I love seeing all initial hype and discoveries in #🩸｜general-chat

[floral mauve]

so since they did include young Laura and Mammoth

one of them is gonna be next game?

[covert wyvern]

probably

[azure bay]

I'd pick Laura if it isn't an integral part of Dale's climax

[floral mauve]

a weird thing I discovered in twd

so, according to the theatre part

Bob bought the pistol and then met dale

he was legit swinging the pistol in front of dale

and he hesistated

Dale didnt do anything about it?

[azure bay]

In Theatre Bob had pistol before Dale's arrival

[floral mauve]

Dale was next to him when he hesistated

[azure bay]

not necessarily

[floral mauve]

with pistol in his hand

?

wdym

[azure bay]

we didn't see him

[floral mauve]

?

we did

he gave him matches

then he hesistated

[azure bay]

he could leave between these events

[floral mauve]

fair enough

still want to cry every time I play it

Poor bob

[floral mauve]

emmmm

by the end of the white door achievement for hotel

How did Laura know about the hotel when she first time met Bob

thats 1964 right?

she went to the Lake in 1969

is that an evidence of her childhood in Hotel?

[azure bay]

At the lake more likely

yet she could visit it at some point

if the key is connected to her childhood

[delicate atlas]

I personally think it's her remembering where she grew up as a kid

Since she was born at the lake after all

[floral mauve]

So she won the contest and decided to go to the lake because she felt homesick?

And free ticket?

[delicate atlas]

Maybe?

Or maybe it was just a coincidence

I personally believe that mr. Owl picked her to win on purpose because he wanted her to come to the lake

There's this one theory video on YouTube (I forgot the title unfortunately) where someone said the corrupted soul in CE:the lake traumatized Laura and that's why she sees it in seasons

I personally believe that soul actually followed her all the way to her house

In other words, the cs from the lake was stalking her

In this case, the theory that she got killed by a cs is possible

And for this cs to meet her and follow her she had to be at the lake somehow for the cs to meet her and now where she lives later

So that's why mr. Owl made her win the contest, to make her meet this cs he's sending after her

[floral mauve]

She can already see that CS outside of her window back in Spring 1964, she went to the Lake in 1969

[delicate atlas]

Oh right

I forgot the years, my bad

[floral mauve]

no worries

me neither

I always have nowhere's map on hand

[delicate atlas]

Alright sense I messed up the timeline, that makes the reason why she won the contest and went to the lake wrong

Only important thing I think happened when she went there was getting Harvey

That is the lake and Harvey's box happen at the same time

So then Mr. Owl would make her win to go to the lake and give her Harvey

Whose egg she ate later on and got a black cube from

[floral mauve]

I dont get it

could u explain

[delicate atlas]

Did Harvey's box take place before CE:the lake?

[floral mauve]

I thought Harvey was with her the whole time, we never know when they meet

[floral mauve]

during the Lake

some ppl say they happen at the same time

one inside cabin

one outside

[delicate atlas]

I find no other reason for Harvey to be in a box in front of the cabin other than for Laura to find him while staying there

[floral mauve]

well its a lake trip

they delivered Harvey in front of the Cabin

[floral mauve]

and this, hopefully they will include it in the young Laura game

[delicate atlas]

Here you can see the cabin wooden walls on the left

[floral mauve]

yep

so it should be in the same place

same time

[delicate atlas]

Wait if he was always with her why was he in the box at the time?

Maybe she lost him as a kid?

And they wanted to return him to her later as an adult?

[floral mauve]

....

I think thats slightly

too much

I just think as a short term trip and she doesnt have anyone else to rely on

so she brought parrot with him

and

paper box is easier to bring around than cage

I think

[delicate atlas]

Good point

That would explain the worms and flies

So he can eat

[floral mauve]

yep

[delicate atlas]

And the openings that are for air

Makes sense

[floral mauve]

thats why its Harvey's box xd

its for Harvey

[delicate atlas]

LMAO

[delicate atlas]

So does that mean the cs here is the same one Laura fished out of the lake?

[floral mauve]

some ppl say its the same CS but some ppl say two CSs are hunting at once

I go for latter one

[delicate atlas]

Guess the lake is haunted by CSs running loose

[floral mauve]

Indeed

but its interesting to see Harvey's fireflies trick

its actually our first time see Harvey's magical move rather than plan murder

[astral frost]

Mammoth game is real guys

[covert wyvern]

aye

[keen crag]

Helaur, I'm so confused with a lot of stories regarding mr owl (I'm playing rusty lake paradise rn)

So is mr owl William or Jakob?

[floral mauve]

Wi…William?

Why William

[keen crag]

Because in roots i thought he asked rose for help to be alive again and became mr owl

[covert wyvern]

haha nah Williams reborn as Laura

owls more ancient.

[azure bay]

where did you get that idea from?

no accusations

just curious

[keen crag]

Aaaaa i was just so confused cuz he wanted to live😭

[azure bay]

he wanted to live

why should it mean Owl?

[keen crag]

I thought they created the lake to live immortal😭

[covert wyvern]

the lake existed before any of the asuras we know, seemingly

[keen crag]

Imma replay the game and remember the dates next time😭

[covert wyvern]

especially when you consider the 20K BC game thats probably still in the works according to the picture from yesterday

[keen crag]

Aaaaa btw who is mr crow?

Gosh i mized up everything😭😭

[azure bay]

you need to find a secret Roots level

[covert wyvern]

it happens lmao theres a lot to keep track off

[keen crag]

Oh there is?

[azure bay]

yeah

collect 10 crests to unlock it

[keen crag]

Naaaaaaaur 😭

Ohkaaii thank uu

[ivory girder]

seems like u have only played roots and paradise right

[keen crag]

I actually played samsara room and the other cube series😭

[azure bay]

such a wonderful world lies before you

[keen crag]

I didn't know there was a recommended order and for some reason the very first one i played is samsara which is said to be the last one😭

[azure bay]

almost no one knows

[keen crag]

Yeah but they said it would be easier to understand that way

[azure bay]

you don't usually try to find out if the game you've stumbled upon is meant to go after smth. You just play, that's only natural

you can replay the games in the intended order

[floral mauve]

dont worry

[azure bay]

or in the chronological one

[floral mauve]

I didnt follow the order

I played birthday and theatre first

then seasons

I am cursed

[azure bay]

or in any specific order nowherecaws will recommend you

[keen crag]

Hshshhs ohkaaii thankss

Btw if William is laura

Then why did mr crow let her die in seasons?

[floral mauve]

good point

this is a complicated matter

[keen crag]

He sacrificed tons of ppl just to die like dat😭

[floral mauve]

in my opinion, its either Crow didnt know that it was his brother at first or Owl somehow convinced him

[azure bay]

For me, either the plans changed or it was an accident

[floral mauve]

Since in the Mill, Owl said that he is gonna send the corpse of the young woman

didnt specify Laura

wait a minute

[azure bay]

Laura had no name before The Cave

[floral mauve]

I know

but

[floral mauve]

I know it sounds picky

the body of the young woman

thats the original quote

why not the body of a young woman

did Aldous know the body already?

so they just refer it as the young woman

Any English teacher here atm?

[azure bay]

She was at the lake several years before

[floral mauve]

so theoretically speaking

do you think Aldous recognised her already as the reincarnation of William

[azure bay]

I have no idea

It's fair to assume he did

Since they used her not so long after

[floral mauve]

so, there was this theory I intended to translate half a year ago

saying that Mr Crow during the Mill was manipulated or sealed by Mr Owl

[azure bay]

In what way manipulated?

[floral mauve]

mouth shut, unable to transform into asura

and killed his reincarnated brother

it sounds like a crazy idea

[azure bay]

Only if we consider later info

And excluding the brother part

[floral mauve]

but yea this sounds too absurd

not gonna consider the rebellion of Mr Crow

[azure bay]

Aggression towards Crow and later use of him would be stupid on Owl's behalf

[radiant field]

I also wonder why crow’s mouth is sealed in Mill

[azure bay]

I have a potential unsatisfying answer

[floral mauve]

some ppl say its a mask so Mr Crow sealed it himself, and some say its family violence

[azure bay]

It's not really a mask after all

And family violence makes not much sense

[floral mauve]

that old lady is quite bossy

perhaps Aldous is into it

nowhere

I have a question

raised after I replayed twd yesterday

Bob lost his memories after the shot right?

Dale took them

or did he

in reality

the theatre happened in 1971

then

in 1972

when he was interrogated

he was asked to provide more memories lmao

[azure bay]

Originally, Dale wouldn't extract them in Theatre

At least I don't expect him to

[floral mauve]

didnt he already forgot everything after the shot?

[azure bay]

At least something

[floral mauve]

thats the part where it confuses me in my replay experience

did he forget or no

since the theatre and interrogation timeline is messy for me

[azure bay]

Try analysing Bob's voicelines

[floral mauve]

?

oh

Bob

bruh

wait

So

Bob shot himself in theatre in 1971

he was interrogated in summer 1972

did he stay in ICU for half a year a what

lmao

if the shot was really a thing

not hallucinating

that part is really confusing

[azure bay]

Hell it is

[floral mauve]

if the shot wasnt a thing

then what was he doing for that long

batman?

[azure bay]

He could be in Owl's control

[floral mauve]

so he has the subconsciousness of calling twd?

[azure bay]

Eh?

[floral mauve]

since when he woke up from the street, the first thing he wants to call is twd

[azure bay]

He had a calling card

[floral mauve]

yea

I wont just call some random ad

when I am on the street

lost

[azure bay]

It's anecdotal but I read a story of a guy finding himself late in the middle of nowhere with no recognition of the face on the identity card he had in his pocket and the next thing he did was calling 911

[floral mauve]

from Bob's pov, after interrogation he just went straight into madness, and ends up on the street after he calmed

venom

so

that still left the question

what the hell was he doing between theatre and interrogation

poking holes

[azure bay]

I'd put him in stasis

In G-man fashion

[floral mauve]

could you speak English

I am uneducated

[azure bay]

Freeze him

In time or otherwise

[floral mauve]

...

Ah yea, just teleport him to the Mill

leave him inside the grandfather clock with the corpse of his ex

ew

sorry

what a terrible human I am

[radiant field]

Maybe after the shot he just turned a corrupted soul and wandered around

[floral mauve]

then how the police got him

[azure bay]

I'm almost sure his arrest was orchestrated

[floral mauve]

to guide Dale?

[azure bay]

Mostly to test him but yeah

[floral mauve]

I think it is possible indeed

since theatre is their place

so they could detain an unemployed middle age no family man

oops

sorry Bob

[azure bay]

They could also let him go, as I think about it

[floral mauve]

yea

[azure bay]

Or put in hospital

[floral mauve]

but

if he shot himself right into his brain

the possibility of surviving is just

miracle

plus

[azure bay]

10%, if I'm correct

[floral mauve]

you see no wounds after it

how magic is that

thats why I formed that idea that CS is like venom

it cures his wounds

after he turned into it

jk

[azure bay]

In the plotholeless world I couldn't agree more

[floral mauve]

plus

we gotta consider Cavity effect

the chance of him surviving is limited as f

[azure bay]

Well

Either kind Owl or bad Crow+luck

[floral mauve]

but

do you think my theory makes sense

when Bob turns into CS, his wound will be cured

thats the only explanation I got

[azure bay]

I thought about that.

Not sure yet

[floral mauve]

technically corrupted souls do have magical power

[azure bay]

I don't really expect them to be that beneficial

[floral mauve]

but its usually for aggressive purposes

[floral mauve]

yea

[patent slate]

let's remember who gave Bob the gun...

i mean...

*idk if it's spoiler

[floral mauve]

doesnt matter

they only care about the latest game spoiler

like tpw demo

[azure bay]

please, get to the point

[patent slate]

oh ok

nothing, maybe Aldous did something to the gun, or put fake projectiles or idk

i mean he can swap to a Crow-Man, he could for sure put something in a gun

[floral mauve]

actually

I just have a new idea

what if Aldous poisoned Bob in Bloody mary so Bob can hallucinate when he holds the gun

[patent slate]

and if i do remember (and i usually don't) after that in CE Theatre bob was sitting on the toilet and became a CS

[azure bay]

we know his powers have limits

[floral mauve]

He passed out when he holds the trigger

[patent slate]

it's not having powers, it's putting some TOTALLY LEGAL SUBSTANCES inside the barrel of a magnum

[floral mauve]

?

[floral mauve]

this part looks like fan fiction ngl

[patent slate]

it was pretty fun to say tho

[azure bay]

Theatre is a memory altered in many aspects.

[floral mauve]

Nowhere

what do u think of my idea

[azure bay]

I think that in Theatre Dale mostly shared Bob's perspective

[floral mauve]

we dont know from which point the memory is altered but here I can explain it

the alter point starts at Bob with gun

when he tried to pull the trigger

the altered memory shows Dale can extract memories from the wound using his hand which is super unrealistic

the reality might be

[azure bay]

we don't know the exact method since we dive into his head

[floral mauve]

yea

he grabbed it

using his bare hands

thats why its unrealistic

[azure bay]

we didn't see him putting hands there. We saw him entering the hole

[floral mauve]

and he still able to go to the interrogation

which means he still remembers

So

Bob didnt suffer memory loss imo after his shot

he lost his memory after case 23 interrogation

[azure bay]

It doesn't. Bob could be took in with or without amnesia

[floral mauve]

?

He still reacts when Laura is brought up

[azure bay]

why wouldn't he otherwise?

he's falsely accused either way

[floral mauve]

if he doesnt remember like after he woke up from the street

he wont have any thought

[floral mauve]

because he becomes CS

CS requires strong negative feeling

if its just a false accusation of a woman he doesnt remember

he wont care except feeling upset slightly

[azure bay]

you wake up, you don't know who you are but you are taken by the enforcers, and you are accused of killing someone you don't even remember

what a positive experience

[floral mauve]

but its not negative enough

[azure bay]

it is

[floral mauve]

nah

I feel nothing

because if u dont feel anything but empty void

those things wont affect u

[azure bay]

I guess, you never felt that lost and helpless

[floral mauve]

u will feel nothing

if u dont remember anything

zero degree narration

[azure bay]

dude, you can't feel nothing when you are attacked

when you are out of control

when you don't even know what's happening

[floral mauve]

yea

but thats not negative if you dont even know what is going on

just upset

[azure bay]

upsetting is negative

[floral mauve]

plus

Dale asked him to give his memory

if Dale already extracted it

why would he have any left

[azure bay]

he was just chained and attacked by a police officer

isn't that a memory?

[floral mauve]

wait

let me look up something

idk

I feel sophism

but I dont think a CS can be created that eaily

otherwise everyone from Roots or Dale could become CS whenever a tragedy happens

And

Bob was waiting for his interrogation