Was that a pheasant skull? The eye that fit it was referred to as an eagle eye iirc so i assumed it was an eagle
#🤔｜theories
turbid heath
azure bay
some altar puzzles in the chapel
covert wyvern
But they're sparse enough to avoid me having to intervene ;)
turbid heath
's what i do
azure bay
Was that a pheasant skull? The eye that fit it was referred to as an eagle eye i...
it shares the sprite of Ms. Pheasant's skeleton
floral mauve
never related that before
azure bay
never related that before
and now it requires explanation
floral mauve
I thought its deer without horns or eagle that only serves puzzle purpose
floral mauve
cool
floral mauve
look at the channel description
azure bay
I thought its deer without horns or eagle that only serves puzzle purpose
I didn't recognize it that much but fetus-heart-shell was already too reminiscent of The Lady play for me
azure bay
either way, let's talk about this substance
floral mauve
okay
turbid heath
now to be fair she was an actress
Perhaps initially she would have performed in that play?
floral mauve
now to be fair she was an actress
not sure
she could learn acting in the Pheasant life
turbid heath
Okay, she claimed to be one
floral mauve
not Eilander life
turbid heath
Oh, absolutely
azure bay
now to be fair she was an actress
that doesn't change much. She either IS Pheasant or plays her role
turbid heath
wh
floral mauve
indeed
turbid heath
No but like, she was an actress as Pheasant so it is likely the Lady of the Lake stage play was informed by her in some way
Like, Mr Crow and Mr Owl were designing the mind theater to deal with Dale's inner turmoil and corrupted memories and whatnot and Mr Owl went "hey you know who knows a lot about theater"
turbid heath
Of course, another issue is that, like, the Lady of the Lake is a common motif in the series, for obvious reasons
azure bay
ok, back to the substance
hat = Pheasant
shell = no idea. but unimportant for the theory
here comes the most mindblowing part
turbid heath
The painting depicting Caroline refers to her as such, and the actual performer in the play is somewhat clearly styled after Emma Vanderboom
azure bay
the fetus and the heart
in Case 23 it drowns in ink and leaves a heart
that could symbolize
a) her child
b) becoming corrupted and leaving a heart
azure bay
yeah
now about dates
Aldous was born 2 years after Paradise
so the whole thing is still not impossible
floral mauve
ah yes
young adult magical baby moment
so indeed a nice way
relating characters
let me also check the releasing date
of some games
azure bay
2015, 2016, 2018?
floral mauve
So Case 23 released first, then hotel, theatre and roots
thats a very nicely made plot
which is not impossible but still look kinda complex
but therefore, how would EIianders react
if nothing happened
that would be traumatizing
I believe the lake would provide a hint saying the ritual was a success
azure bay
if nothing happened
that's a damn good question
floral mauve
if nothing happened
obviously the plagues stopped (but are last 2 really plagues?)
azure bay
obviously the plagues stopped (but are last 2 really plagues?)
the sun turns into darkness and the moon into blood
seems plaguey enough for me
azure bay
but still unfortunately we can do nothing but speculate about what happens hext
floral mauve
thats a lot of new info for me to intake today
azure bay
unless we get the Rabbit game and see a little bit of David there
floral mauve
which havent happened in a while
azure bay
which havent happened in a while
you are welcome
floral mauve
unless we get the Rabbit game and see a little bit of David there
doubt
floral mauve
unless its the smaller game like 2015-2016 ones
azure bay
unless its the smaller game like 2015-2016 ones
I expect at least 3 acts albeit small
floral mauve
because larger games such as paradox is very time consuming and cost of production
floral mauve
indeed
azure bay
Rabbit is no worse
floral mauve
gonna impress the fan base
but funny thing about rabbit
many ppl claim the Rabbit in Birthday has become their childhood nightmare
which is nice
in terms of fanbase
so the chance of getting a rabbit game is never 0
azure bay
He seems to me as deep as Albert
both doing horrible things
both having humane sides
floral mauve
both having humane sides
we will see in tpw
azure bay
we will see in tpw
We already did. He seems at least a decent father
floral mauve
the humane side of Albert is Rose exclusive
floral mauve
Leonard could also get some
or worse
since its made of his beloved woman and the man he hated worst
azure bay
It could be mixed
floral mauve
ah yes Harry Potter
azure bay
what so mixed was about him?
floral mauve
read the novels u will see
otherwise I should put a spoiler tag but that is also inapproperiate towards this channel
so I will possibly dm u
azure bay
Here's an idea I'd like to reflect on
What if Mr. Deer was researching the lake for Owl?
floral mauve
where did this come from
hollow igloo
I like this idea. At least it seems pretty logical that Owl at least used them for his purpose. It is not the first time the guest visit the hotel, it seems like a sort of “base” for their studies. So it makes sense that there was a form of collaboration between them
azure bay
where did this come from
At least from Deer's plan being approved with the hotel stamp
azure bay
I like this idea. At least it seems pretty logical that Owl at least used them f...
What do you think about us seeing the guests in Roots?
That was chronologically before the Hotel events
azure bay
About regular visits
I know. I'm asking for Jack's opinion
I don't recall him being a part of that convo
floral mauve
true
floral mauve
I like this idea. At least it seems pretty logical that Owl at least used them f...
I would also like to say, I think the obvious purpose we see is to collect the memories of the guests to form a prophesy
it is already serving for a purpose
hollow igloo
it is already serving for a purpose
True, but there could be a second one. Think about all the strange machines we see in the RL saga (e.g. the memory extractor in The Mill, the “computer” in Case 23, or the submarine in The Cave too), those are machines linked to memories in some way. In Hotel we see that ms. Pigeon is a sort of engineer, and she is studying some sort of machine to probably extract memories (i don’t remember the exact diagrams in her room), so it is plausible that Owl later used her work to create his own machines. Mr Deer is studying samples of the lake’s water, it makes sense that Owl later used these researches in some way.
About them being regular guests, I think so. Since Owl had his reasons to let them stay even before the “sacrifice” in 1893, this could imply that there still was a form of collaboration.
Also, about the other guests: Phesant is an actress and Rabbit a magician. They both worked in the RL theatre. Probably Owl wanted this too: Owl is somehow an intellectual, maybe he also built the theatre (him being the owner would explain why Crow is the bartender) as a way to have a sort of “intellectual spot” in the near city, having the opportunity to spread in a more subtle way the story of Rusty Lake to the public with operas and plays, first of all “the lady of the lake”.
Finally, Boar is an ambassador: for who? If we assume that the RL area is somehow a small independent nation (doesn’t matter where), and this could explain the “RL” suffix present in various codes and addresses (especially in TWD and Paradox) and the fact that there is the “Rusty Money” in TWD, we could theorize that Boar is an ambassador for the RL nation to the rest of the world. And again, having a political figure nearby could be very important to Owl, given the fact that Owl could also have a massive political influence in general in the RL state.
azure bay
Finally, Boar is an ambassador: for who? If we assume that the RL area is someho...
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Dale's city isn't near the lake. it took Kirsten Hoorn a Plane to cover that distance
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Mr. Boar is either an ambassador of some of asura societies, or an asura under cover among humans
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I don't think he was explicitly useful. He doesn't seem to be willing helping anyone neither he was that close to Owl outside being his patient, according to the letter
hollow igloo
1) Dale's city isn't near the lake. it took Kirsten Hoorn a Plane to cover that ...
About (1), i guess I’m missing some info. Where do you get that:
1)she took the plane
2)she lived in the same city as Dale
Just asking, I don’t remember
About (2), that is also a possibility, I can agree. I can also agree that he may not be as useful
azure bay
About (1), i guess I’m missing some info. Where do you get that:
It will be a long sequence of conclusions.
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Dale was unable to locate the lake, so it's already distant.
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Bob and Dale live in the same city where the theater is located.
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The White Door is also expected to be somewhere nearby. Bob is more likely not to leave his city after his corruption and PD escape
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during TWD ARG Kirsten visited the city her father that was working at TWD used to live. Once again, likely the same.
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then she takes a plane and gets to the lake
So the link is somewhat like Dale-Bob-TWD-Hoorn-Kirsten
azure bay
So RL is a bigger nation than I thought, interesting
we don't know if it's a nation
floral mauve
I wont call it nation since it sounds wrong
because it is not legally recognised
apart from Mr Owl studied diplomacy using his spare time
jk
azure bay
I guess, he thinks Rusty Lake has its own state. I probably know why
floral mauve
I wont call it nation since it sounds wrong
it might be in a nation but RL itself is not a nation
u can say its a supernatural region
I guess
azure bay
no, I mean a legit country with laws, government and currency
like
Latveria in MARVEL
floral mauve
random golden coins
floral mauve
since Aldous has multiple jobs
I guess RL doesnt have a good economy
kinda bad investment in a hotel out of nowhere
speaking of that
we still dont know what Mr Owl is capable of
did he build everything?
did he hire others to build?
floral mauve
did he build everything?
did he hire others to build?
everything I meant cables, submarine and other stuff like studying psychology
hollow igloo
Yes, “country” would be a better choice of words
floral mauve
but what made u think of that
I just see an asura has drug addiction and stress asking for help from an asura that owns the hotel
a place for relaxation
hollow igloo
The client IDs in the cube locator in TWD ARG
floral mauve
whot
hollow igloo
All the patients have a client ID, and the last 2 digits represent their country
hollow igloo
E.g. Linda Kirkland ID K1946Us
floral mauve
I am not that familiar with arg
hollow igloo
Every ID has the same structure: first letter of the surname, date of birth, country
floral mauve
yes
hollow igloo
Robert Hill’s code, also seen in TWD, is H1931RL
azure bay
Robert Hill’s code, also seen in TWD, is H1931RL
Did you put it together yourself?
hollow igloo
No, it’s both in the game and the cube locator
hollow igloo
About the structure of the IDs? I thought it was pretty logical
floral mauve
I often ignore tiny details
hollow igloo
So I guess I got it by myself
floral mauve
but still maybe Owl wants to conceal the identity of Robert hills in the files
azure bay
So I guess I got it by myself
I'm actually impressed
floral mauve
Because I still dont believe the city Dale, Bob and Laura live in belongs to a country called RL
azure bay
Because I still dont believe the city Dale, Bob and Laura live in belongs to a c...
Neither do I but that's what I used to think
hollow igloo
Because I still dont believe the city Dale, Bob and Laura live in belongs to a c...
That is a possibility. There is also the suffix RL in an address in the Paradox movie, but Paradox is a more “unreliable” source, if you get what I mean
hollow igloo
But again, I would agree with you if you say that it is not reliable because of the “it’s all in Dale’s head” thing.
floral mauve
fine
still need something more solid to convince me
because a lake being a country is still too far
sage token
Yes, “country” would be a better choice of words
I think Rusty Lake is more of a region if anything more than just a lake and a few buildings
hollow igloo
because a lake being a country is still too far
Remember that the republic of San Marino exists and it is an independent country, and it is literally a city. But that is assuming it is a small country, which seems not to be the case according to what @azure bay said
turbid heath
remember that the elective theocracy of Vatican City exists and that's, like, a big building basically
hollow igloo
remember that the elective theocracy of Vatican City exists and that's, like, a ...
Yes, exactly
floral mauve
but as I said
it requires international recognition
It is still hard to believe whether Owl is capable of handling every aspect of a country
while constructing a hotel and building submarine + mental health institute
this guy has a busy life
turbid heath
to be fair he is, for the intents and purposes of NATO, an immortal wizard
do you think uh
lemme check something rq
You think Richard Nixon wouldn't have splurged out to get the magic bird dude some special cigars in exchange for just one of his swanky murdershadows that talk backwards on the off chance that one a those could maybe kill Leonid Brezhnev?
and yes i did research the dates, 1972, Dale's arrival at Rusty Lake bay beee
hollow igloo
You think Richard Nixon wouldn't have splurged out to get the magic bird dude so...
That is very shitposty, but using a CS as mass destruction weapon would be a very interesting plot point
turbid heath
I present all my important points as garbage, it's my thing
hollow igloo
Never said it’s a bad thing
turbid heath
Anyways, I could very much see RL being an independent nation
However, if it is one, then at the very least we can be certain that it was
wait
We don't actually know which side of WW1 Leonard fought for
although the costume is apparently very similar to the Canadian auxiliary companies
so likely the Entente?
azure bay
I personally bet on GB
hollow igloo
Me too
floral mauve
I put my bet on EU
turbid heath
personally i like the idea of it being in Canada, allowing of course for the possibility of a micro-country enclaved within Canada
azure bay
The only real problem I have with Canada is the year on the chapel
turbid heath
canadian lore?
hollow igloo
The only real problem I have with Canada is the year on the chapel
That is my problem too
Except for that Canada is very plausible option to me
turbid heath
lore
floral mauve
thats why I think we shouldnt bother too much about the location of the lake
turbid heath
the lake is in your heart
floral mauve
aww
turbid heath
However the lake is also in a territory that participated in WW1
floral mauve
the two topic here I dislike the most are: location of the lake and Harvey's gender
not to offend anyone
turbid heath
harvey's gender is bird
turbid heath
okay new theory discussion
uh
So the merman that shows up in The Cave if you pursue the secret ending, right?
What's with that?
azure bay
You mean the legged fish and "the story continues" achievement?
floral mauve
where is the legged fish in Cave
floral mauve
?
azure bay
Don't tell me you didn't go achievement hunting
azure bay
Well... No
tribal sundial
I never achievement hunt too, so you're not the only one
azure bay
I should achievement hunt
That's a good desision if you want to get better at theorizing
turbid heath
Basically
floral mauve
That's a good desision if you want to get better at theorizing
I know I know
azure bay
I know I know
But if it's not your goal, no need to
turbid heath
The Cave has like, the absolutely most buckwild secret easter eggs I have personally seen outside of ARGs
azure bay
The Cave has like, the absolutely most buckwild secret easter eggs I have person...
The envelope?
turbid heath
You know that bit where you get in a sub and have to travel to stated coordinates?
azure bay
The envelope
turbid heath
If you input the coordinates to the landmarks around RL as seen in the map provided (nothing prompts you to do this) you find three undersea beasts that each give you a part of a fourth coordinate to
like
an envelope filled with random junk
azure bay
an envelope filled with random junk
It used to be dissappoining before the CEC update
turbid heath
I was exploding in my seat when I found it because like, the game had just hown me there's merpeople and giant monsters within the lake and then it gave me BIG REVEAL and it was like
||a broken timepiece and a business card iirc||
been a while
turbid heath
But like, it was so little of such little significance that it felt like i was being mocked
floral mauve
its not in the achievement
azure bay
But like, it was *so little of such little significance* that it felt like i was...
what do you mean?
turbid heath
like
Part of the appeal of these games to me is that they're mysterious in a way that can't really be broached
And then the devs put in a super secret puzzle ending requiring you to do some wacky shenanigans to complete, and the reward was like
a broken clock, a picture of a character you have seen before, and a business card
azure bay
a broken clock, a picture of a character you have seen before, and a business ca...
I'll be damned if it wasn't a future game teaser
floral mauve
also what does those number mean
9827, did they already used it for other game easter egg?
turbid heath
An equivalency here would be, like, if Dark Souls had a side corridor full of brutal traps and a deadly gauntlet of enemies and your reward is a unique sword that's slightly worse than what you came in with
floral mauve
9827, did they already used it for other game easter egg?
or outside game event such as calender or giftcard stuff
turbid heath
and like, then you take the sword and start running around yelling "SWORD! SWORD!" before going back to getting murdered
azure bay
9827, did they already used it for other game easter egg?
It wasn't solved in a satisfying way, as far as I know
floral mauve
is that so
turbid heath
or outside game event such as calender or giftcard stuff
Apparently on the original Flash version if you did all the steps it gave you a website so you could enter a contest for a real life painting
floral mauve
the unknown code we have currently is the CEC
floral mauve
Apparently on the original Flash version if you did all the steps it gave you a ...
ah
oh
turbid heath
It was very satisfying to me! The devs gave me wet garbage while smirking and i HUNGER for more!
floral mauve
its enough since back then RL wasnt as big as current
azure bay
and like, then you take the sword and start running around yelling "SWORD! SWORD...
Maybe it's just me but I was hyped as hell to see all that junk. It implies a story
floral mauve
Maybe it's just me but I was hyped as hell to see all that junk. It implies a st...
indeed
I was surprised that there are many easter eggs in the game
I havent done easter egg hunts on Paradise, Cave and TWD
cause they seem complicated
hollow igloo
Some of them are very random in the way you get them. I think the best game in how it uses its achievements is Paradox
floral mauve
I am aware of that
hollow igloo
Fun fact, I think I found Mr.Deer’s soul once wandering the lake in The Cave
So I assume you can find the others too?
floral mauve
wha
azure bay
Fun fact, I think I found Mr.Deer’s soul once wandering the lake in The Cave
that's true, he's somewhere out there
azure bay
you can see only Deer on certain coords
floral mauve
u guys are explorers
hollow igloo
It was random tbh
floral mauve
the past within demo easteregg is also random
so I guess
many easter eggs are meant to be random
floral mauve
ah
hollow igloo
About TPW, I think that if you have a maze…
floral mauve
thats how I found about the twd achievement
I found some of them during game play
by accident
but I didnt go back do a full achievement hunt
floral mauve
About TPW, I think that if you have a maze…
well u have to travel around with no hint
hollow igloo
Yes, but it is sufficiently small that it is not frustrating
The cave is, like, 11x8x5 possible spaces or something like that
I don’t remember exactly
floral mauve
Yes, but it is sufficiently small that it is not frustrating
ah it almost becomes frustrating when u click the white door style computer for nearly 2 hours
azure bay
The cave is, like, 11x8x5 possible spaces or something like that
yeah, it's tedious to explore
unless you do that in group just to have fun
I was planning to do gather a team at some point but found a better way to find such easter eggs there
outer jewel
azure bay
Meh
turbid heath
Oh god
alpine hollow
Hey
I started today the games
And
Can that shadow be the dark side of people that committed suicide?
because van Gogh had too
And I only saw that Shadow in sites that reflect image
like windows
azure bay
Can that shadow be the dark side of people that committed suicide?
Yes but not limited to
It's a bit deeper if we try to unite all the shadows
Through out the series
tribal sundial
Since I get way too much ideas while listening to music:
In Paradox, we see a man hiding behind the deer skull, right? He looks so similar to Albert that I don't know if this can be considered as an accident
We also got his brain after he died, in the same way it happens in Paradox
azure bay
Since I get way too much ideas while listening to music:
In Paradox, we see a ma...
well, it was Mr. Rabbit
he did coexist with Albert
so they are unlikely to be the same person
Talking about Dale, it's possible but a little bit far-fetched for now
I mean them being incarnations of the same creature
however many including me dislike this concept
many dislike it because they think Albert doesn't deserve to be reborn as Dale
and I just don't want Dale to be anyhow related to Vanderbooms
the RL world is already a small place
tribal sundial
Now as i read what I said it seems really stupid
covert wyvern
nah it seems like a valid observation.
azure bay
Now as i read what I said it seems really stupid
nah
tribal sundial
But I agree that making Dale related might be a little too much
azure bay
But I agree that making Dale related might be a little too much
well, the reality usually doesn't care about our feelings
and if Albert is indeed Dale's past life, we'll know it soon enough
The Past Within seems to be about him being somehow resurrected
either Laura or William style
tribal sundial
I'm surely gonna play the full version
azure bay
So am I
floral mauve
and I just don't want Dale to be anyhow related to Vanderbooms
relatable
I dont get why so many ppl want Albert to be Dale's past life
azure bay
I dont get why so many ppl want Albert to be Dale's past life
I don't see these people. I mostly see Albert's haters
floral mauve
I don't see these people. I mostly see Albert's haters
u do
there are many among the fanbase, but the fanbase itself has been chill for months
But since we brought it up
tell me why cant Albert be Dale's past life
floral mauve
tell me why cant Albert be Dale's past life
imagine someone just asked u that
I personally didnt study Albert and deer skull symbol that much
The current evidence we have and most commonly believe by the supporter of this theory:
- Dale's Asura form is Deer
- Brain thing that goes on in Paradox
I think I miss something but u can add
azure bay
tell me why cant Albert be Dale's past life
I tell that he can. I just don't want it for personal reasons
floral mauve
I tell that he can. I just don't want it for personal reasons
indeed but if we dislike something, we gotta use counterargument
(I dont like this idea either)
thats why I am trying to find some counterargument
so in the future
I can just throw those
azure bay
I see no reason in finding those right now
floral mauve
tpw is the upcoming game, might be useful
azure bay
and it has a great potential to decisively put any discussion to an end
azure bay
in this situation I prefer to sit tight and assess
to wait for the evidence
especially when they are so close
floral mauve
I see
so
btw
I dont remember
where is the correlation between Dale and moth
Is it in paradox
azure bay
I think it's rather symbolic
Like a moth trying to reach the light, Dale goes for enlightenment
floral mauve
you give a moth to get Dale's photo
is that its only appearance?
did it appear in paradox?
I know it appeared in tpw
or at least in the poster
floral mauve
I know it appeared in tpw
but I didnt catch the reference thats why I ask
azure bay
but I didnt catch the reference thats why I ask
Maybe Albert is also going for it
floral mauve
thats why
azure bay
or Crow took his tests from TWD
azure bay
that's actually a good point
floral mauve
tpw just add some extra context to Dale which i dunno if I am happy to see
azure bay
it's too early to tell
I want to confess
My feelings about Albert=Dale theory are rather mixed
on one hand, yes, I hate Dale being Vanderboom in any way
but on the other, I want Albert's redemption and also to feel smart for predicting it
floral mauve
more and more sort of evidence
I just checked the walkthrough of chp2 again
apart from the moth
he dipped his brain in the jar like Albert
we will see in the near future
its actually very near
floral mauve
I just watched paradox
walkthrough
ah yes
butterfly
appeared next to deer head Dale
and what does the hanged Dale mean
if he decided to save Laura, he will hang himself?
hollow igloo
and what does the hanged Dale mean
Probably a version of Dale who has not been able to escape his mind and got stuck for who knows how long (he seems to be an older Dale), and he finally surrenders and kills himself
floral mauve
Probably a version of Dale who has not been able to escape his mind and got stuc...
but I think he will and have to make up a decision after all, its one way or another
Laura or Dale
hollow igloo
The only thing that could contradict the “Dale is Albert’s reincarnation” theory is that we know that DAle’s parents exists. Laura has only Rose as a parent, because she was born in a ritual. Having both parents could be a sign that Dale is born in a natural way
hollow igloo
but I think he will and have to make up a decision after all, its one way or ano...
Maybe a version of him never made a choice, and ended up like that
floral mauve
Maybe a version of him never made a choice, and ended up like that
still debatable since he hang himself is clearly his decision?
its not he passed out in coma forever
floral mauve
The only thing that could contradict the “Dale is Albert’s reincarnation” theory...
this involves samsara
hollow igloo
You say that it would not have been a forced reincarnation? Something spontaneous?
floral mauve
Naturally, if u die, u reincarnate to the next life, and depends on your performance of the previous year, u will be promoting to a higher stage or stay in the same stage, if u did something bad, u may devolve to the previous stage. I think thats how karma works
floral mauve
You say that it would not have been a forced reincarnation? Something spontaneou...
I think in Albert's case
he dies in a natural way
not in a sacrifice or ritual reincarnation
hollow igloo
But then what would be the purpose of TPW? Reincarnate in an higher stage than normal?
floral mauve
wdym
hollow igloo
We don’t know how much of the samsara cycle is present in the RL universe. I mean, it is present and this is obvious. But we don’t know how strictly it is applied in the RL universe.
floral mauve
the CS part is definitely different
but the soul part seems to be the same
especially from past life, present life
like Mr Owl
he might be a fish
in the future
floral mauve
Naturally, if u die, u reincarnate to the next life, and depends on your perform...
the thing is idk if karma is present or not in RL
it can also be random
hollow igloo
wdym
Albert is trying to conduct some sort of experiment after his death. If he is going to reincarnate, and we assume that karma also exist, he would probably become something of a CS or straight to Nakara. Maybe his experiment involves trying to get his soul out of this state, like William did through the ritual.
But again, the only reincarnation we see for certain is William’s and it is a forced one. So maybe reincarnation in this universe could be something not spontaneous at all
floral mauve
Albert is trying to conduct some sort of experiment after his death. If he is go...
well we will see when tpw comes out
we dont know what Albert wants tbh
hollow igloo
I’m so curious
floral mauve
But again, the only reincarnation we see for certain is William’s and it is a fo...
Eilanders
also
how do u define reincarnation
everyone has infinite past lives
its just u dont remember
in terms of samsara
therefore, technically
everyone has reincarnated
and it seems like
the ones that managed to maintain the memories are
D. Eilander, Crow and Owl
because Mr Owl refers Jakob as his past life
hollow igloo
The point is that it is “in terms of Samsara”. How much of the Samsara culture is present in RL? That is my point.
floral mauve
The point is that it is “in terms of Samsara”. How much of the Samsara culture i...
I am keeping it as much as possible in RL
in its context
hollow igloo
In that case, I agree with you
azure bay
The only thing that could contradict the “Dale is Albert’s reincarnation” theory...
everyone is being reborn in one way or another. I see no problems for Albert's way being that unique
azure bay
Albert is trying to conduct some sort of experiment after his death. If he is go...
TPW is about us fixing Albert's death, according to his new year blogpost
hollow igloo
But as you said, it is not a 1:1 interpretation (CS seem to work differently), so maybe some parts of it are not as present. Honestly, who knows
azure bay
fixing one's death for me is either canceling it or forcing rebirth
ah
consuming elixir after death would also do
azure bay
fixing one's death for me is either canceling it or forcing rebirth
but these are what we already saw happening to CS
floral mauve
and how do we define death
azure bay
not being a CS is good enough for me, if we take William's interaction with Rose seriously
floral mauve
I have two relevant ideas:
- the death of identity, Laura is dead is terms of her personality, just like William
- the period of soul in samsara room before reincatnation
azure bay
- doesn't seem much relevant to both cases of CS
floral mauve
However, the first idea is weird
exactly
the CS thing doesnt work in a simple way
like Laura's CS and William's CS are different right?
azure bay
in what way?
azure bay
ah, I get what you mean
floral mauve
u get it?
azure bay
I tend to think so but I'm unsure. Rabbit seemed to regain more than his previous life
floral mauve
just see CS as a different race that is human like
it applies
the thing about RL
thats why I say its hard to understand
listen here
theoretically
the CS should be an independent stage of the soul, however, RL decided to let it link to the human stage of the soul
additionally
the CS itself is a form of human stage memory cube
which are making things more complex
azure bay
the CS should be an independent stage of the soul, however, RL decided to let it...
-
It shouldn't, if we address Indian mythology (or at least some schools of it)
-
CS are mostly linked to their previous lives. Not necessarily the human
floral mauve
but each stage usually means one life
like William is human stage and Laura is human stage
thats why this part is hard to theorise since it has some contradicitons
and its complex
azure bay
I think it's exactly about memories
CS mostly preserve them on surface
or at least are connected to them
floral mauve
then if Laura still has William's memory
does it mean her CS could be William's CS?
azure bay
Rabbit seems to be such a case
floral mauve
wdym
floral mauve
u cant say because Mr Rabbit returned from CS stage so he knows who he was?
azure bay
I didn't get your question
floral mauve
but he's also David Eilander
but that because he got his memory back somehow
azure bay
And Laura?
floral mauve
she didnt
azure bay
well, Seasons are imposible without that
floral mauve
she didnt know who is William except the painting on the wall I guess
azure bay
Crow clearly took her memories away
including those of William
If she doesn't regain them at some point, she's unable to enter them
floral mauve
hold up
I have a thought
in Mill
how did she sense the black cube corruption
she is okay when its been extracted
but then when its in the lake she is mad and awakened
does that mean she can sense where did her memory go?
But
azure bay
she is okay when its been extracted
not at all, her corruption was evident the moment they were taken
azure bay
an example?
floral mauve
it should be an independent stage of the soul with no previous memory
but apparently
its not
in RL
its about soul with negative memories
but its also not that true
since in paradise
azure bay
its not
Buddhism explains ghosts with pretas
as souls that are temporarily unable to be reborn
azure bay
and ghosts are usually imagined to keep personalities from before death, aren't they?
floral mauve
wha
emm
I actually dunno
since hungry ghost has become a nasty creature
that haunts ppl while suffering
azure bay
I'm speaking of ghosts in general
floral mauve
the ghosts in western and eastern cultures are kinda different
in western culture u can say its soul but decided to stay that haunts in human world
floral mauve
in western culture u can say its soul but decided to stay that haunts in human w...
obviously with previous memory
azure bay
Rusty Lake is a western product
floral mauve
its interesting
azure bay
And I see Caroline, William, the guests and Laura
floral mauve
since the idea of ghost
is often translated differently by the western ppl
but yea thats kinda off topic
floral mauve
And I see Caroline, William, the guests and Laura
what
azure bay
Their CS preserve or regain their past personalities
azure bay
funny enough even Laura with her memories detached takes her human for back in The Cave
floral mauve
CS is an independent stage
its not apparently
its depending on the previous life
its like human + asura in a negative mood
azure bay
yeah, neither asura seems to be independent at least in some cases
floral mauve
I thought the case of Eilander might prove the evidence
but yea I guess thats what devs are intended to tell us
the stages are related to each other
that is based on the human stage
azure bay
As a guy from Reddit noticed, some Buddhism schools are not about complete rebirths but rather evolution of the individual
floral mauve
yep
it is
spiritually
thats when karma is involved
if u behave good u evolved
if u naughty u suffer
azure bay
it's still the same person even though their body was gradually (or not so gradually) replaced.
azure bay
it's still the same person even though their body was gradually (or not so gradu...
or is it the same?
floral mauve
good question
azure bay
which one of the ships is Theseus'
floral mauve
yea
I think its not
our memories
are not key to the past
I would rather not be deva if I dont have memory
this convo must have happened so many times
azure bay
the argument maybe but not the entire convo
floral mauve
always has been
azure bay
even when you exchange the same arguments over and over with an opponent as stubborn as yourself you may see new elements of both opposing perspectives
floral mauve
is this a compliment qwq
azure bay
are we opposing one another?
ivory girder
i just noticed something in paradise, what does "her" in here mean? like the lake has a gender or what?
covert wyvern
ye I suppose the "sentient lake" or whatever it is IN THE LAKE they worship is seemingly referred to as her.
ivory girder
probably hmmmm
turbid heath
I think it's more like
Vehicles being female, yknow
points at car "she's a beau!"
sage token
Places are also female
ebon aspen
i just noticed something in paradise, what does "her" in here mean? like the lak...
Prolly caroline since you get memories of her from the lake
azure bay
Prolly caroline since you get memories of her from the lake
But you do the opposite
you offer the memories
and they float around just like thousands before them
floral mauve
Prolly caroline since you get memories of her from the lake
I dont think so, because Caroline is already dead by then, which means that there is no point bringing her up in this case.
plus
Caroline's memory isnt in the lake
it was distributed around the island
azure bay
it was distributed around the island
At that point they were mostly there
floral mauve
At that point they were mostly there
oh yea
I just realised that
but I dont think Nikolas knows
ebon aspen
personally i consider the island and every other place by the lake part of the lke itself, but ok
floral mauve
but I dont think Nikolas knows
because Caroline said dont let them have her memory or something similar
I dont remember
ebon aspen
and i dont see any other option than nick refering to carol at that scene
floral mauve
personally i consider the island and every other place by the lake part of the l...
fair enough but in the case of memory, it has to be in the lake water I think for it to consum (?)
floral mauve
and i dont see any other option than nick refering to carol at that scene
I think its like Damy and Lynn said
perhaps its in a metaphorical way
or personification
digital oriole
I'd agree that by "her true self" Nikolas means the lake itself
azure bay
Damy, do you normally talk to NoFlavor?
azure bay
I want to know 2 things
azure bay
If grandpa is Crow and what does Crow feel towards Laura
And I hope NoFlavor is able to give at least some answer if she's interested in the plot
covert wyvern
I've never discussed the plots of the games in depth with her before, I'd suggest just DMing her yourself but that's me.
She won't bite, I think.
azure bay
Alright, I'll try
floral mauve
She won't bite, I think.
covert wyvern
hey only one way to find out!
quiet echo
Theory based entirely off of the Cube Escape Collection:
Rusty Lake Hotel is a long-standing building next to the titular Rusty Lake that houses many members of a family that have access to an elixir and can turn into furries anthropomorphic creatures. One night a bunch of corrupted souls escaped and fucking killed Harvey who was living there, and he turned into a sentient bird and began living with Laura Vanderboom. After breaking up with Bob supposedly, and after hearing that Bob killed himself (presumedly), Laura killed herself.
floral mauve
Theory based entirely off of the Cube Escape Collection:
Rusty Lake Hotel is a ...
is this a theory or narration of the plot
more or less the plot
floral mauve
well u got most of it right
quiet echo
oh damn
floral mauve
is this a theory or narration of the plot
or timeline
quiet echo
floral mauve
well u got most of it right
Even though the sentence is extremely long
that gives me a stroke
quiet echo
sorry.
quiet echo
reassuring
floral mauve
not necessarily wrong
floral mauve
Theory based entirely off of the Cube Escape Collection:
Rusty Lake Hotel is a ...
where do u think they have access to elixir
also u only played CEC right?
quiet echo
also u only played CEC right?
yes. And paradox
quiet echo
aight
floral mauve
I am surprised that without playing Hotel and Paradise
u understood some of it
I am impressed
quiet echo
thx
The only info i had relating to the elixir and Harvey fucking dying was from CE: Birthday and CE: Cave
so i'll try and get Rusty lake Hotel and Paradise
and also roots
i'm in too deep
floral mauve
also
Harvey and break up with Bob has no connection
Harvey has been there
for a while
quiet echo
aight
floral mauve
I am impressed
floral mauve
Theory based entirely off of the Cube Escape Collection:
Rusty Lake Hotel is a ...
and no
the last one
is confirmed to be wrong
u got other way round
the white door gives more context of Bob
fleet haven
Is the immortal dog used to the human flesh since he eats Mary's placenta, and this is why we gave him a human arm in Cave?
turbid heath
i'd assume so
floral mauve
Is the immortal dog used to the human flesh since he eats Mary's placenta, and t...
well I think the dog belongs to carnivore
so it should eat any type of flesh
digital oriole
I agree, the dog doesn't really looks like it cares about whatever type of meat it eats lol
tender niche
he doesnt look like he cares what he eats
tender niche
EAT
upbeat scarab
“Okay”
tender niche
something like that
upbeat scarab
Yes
tender niche
anywho: what do you want to eat
dog: positive
upbeat scarab
Puts dale in bowl
Dale:
Now hang on a minute
upbeat scarab
Yes
tender niche
same ideias
upbeat scarab
tender niche
dog: man?, woman?, bug,? crow? , dont now, dont care
tender niche
currupted soul from the deeps of the lake ? FOOD
tender niche
dog, the world eater
upbeat scarab
wait does it have a name?
upbeat scarab
Lol
upbeat scarab
Eater of me and you
tender niche
the eater
upbeat scarab
Yes
tender niche
eater of all of us
tender niche
anywhere, anytime
upbeat scarab
Yes
tender niche
what the dog doin ?
upbeat scarab
We’re all doomed
tender niche
fook
tender niche
the dog is the creator of the lake
upbeat scarab
The dog is the lake
upbeat scarab
Soon to be fact in rusty lakes next game
tender niche
mat pat shoud make a game theory os the rusty lake
upbeat scarab
The whole games just gonna be an endless running challenge from that dog
upbeat scarab
L
tender niche
not the right crow, but at least a crow
tender niche
the crow just chilling, until the eater arrives
tight ginkgo
https://tenor.com/view/crow-gif-21382599
Aww, what a sweetie.
upbeat scarab
Lol
tender niche
the universe where the eater isnt there,... yet
everybody gangsta until the eater arrives
tender niche
this dog isnt the eater
tender niche
the eater has a devastating hunger, one that can never be fuffiled, one that can never end
tight ginkgo
Hm, but that is a good question.
What is the dog doing right now?
tender niche
https://tenor.com/view/mad-dog-rage-cabbage-scared-food-gif-5104409
something more like thar
tender niche
i think he is just chilling in the cave
tight ginkgo
Man he must be starving in there still.
upbeat scarab
Remember he’s lake and also the cave and he’s also the crow and Harvey and…….
Dies
And now he’s me
Now hang on a second
tender niche
i think that he eated the book and stuf that were yhere
or just eated somenones currupted souls, that was wandering by ther e
tight ginkgo
Dog just eating whatever is available I guess.
tight ginkgo
Rip that bat.
upbeat scarab
No the dog 🐶 came for him
RIP
tight ginkgo
Rip
upbeat scarab
Lol same
tender niche
so he is here, and he may be there
tender niche
he is here, he is there, he is everywhere, is your favorite psycic friend the dog
but he is very real
upbeat scarab
covert wyvern
@upbeat scarab @tender niche please go over the server #✅｜rules, #🤔｜theories is not the place for whatever conversation this was.
naive lotus
CE the cave... platos allegory of the cave?
azure bay
CE the cave... platos allegory of the cave?
at least in the trailer. I have no idea what it would mean lore-wise
naive lotus
Yes... maybe I'm going to deep 😅
azure bay
Yes... maybe I'm going to deep 😅
you aren't, the Plato allegory was definitely in mind
naive lotus
Ive had some pretty far our ideas so far lol
azure bay
so you haven't seen the trailer?
azure bay
naive lotus
Oh thanks, will check it out
Wait, does it contain game spoilers.. like.. im still on part 1
azure bay
maybe a glimpse of nest levels. Nothing too revealing. It's just 30 seconds long
azure bay
Have you activated this mural yet?
naive lotus
maybe a glimpse of nest levels. Nothing too revealing. It's just 30 seconds long
Ah wow! Just watched and yeah it kind of alludes to it...
naive lotus
Have you activated this mural yet?
Yep just passed it not long ago
naive lotus
I was kinda thinking his higher self
azure bay
whose?
naive lotus
Like the guys...
The guy you have to walk through the shadows
But I am still very new to this game
azure bay
continue your journey :з
naive lotus
Will do :) ty
I just saw how its got to be a different guy
Will keep playing
And i have a small idea of who
azure bay
yeah?
naive lotus
Yeah it might be too obvious lol... but im not sure of his role in the big picture
azure bay
what games did you play so far?
naive lotus
These ones today, plus the mill
Also roots, samsara and paradise
You would think I have some idea of the story 😅
azure bay
If you want to understand everything by yourself, I can suggest 2 walkthrough orders
the official one that keeps a lot of mystery before giving answers
naive lotus
Yeah i think ive been playing in a weird order
azure bay
and my personal one that explains everything better
naive lotus
Oh cool, would love to hear
I started white door ages ago but it got pretty puzzling so i put it down.
sage token
White Door my beloved
azure bay
official order:
- Seasons
- The Lake
- Arles
- Harvey's Box
- Case 23
- The Mill
- Hotel
- Birthday
- Theatre
- Roots
- The Cave
- Paradise
- Paradox
- The White Door
- Samsara Room
- upcoming The Past Within
naive lotus
Woowws yeah I played samsara first
sage token
I started my journey with Paradox so no worries
naive lotus
I started my journey with Paradox so no worries
Ahh im yet to play that one
floral mauve
but I dunno how it affects the lore discussion
naive lotus
btw Trailers are really something
Yeah I didnt no there were trailers till just before, @nowherecaw showed me cave one
azure bay
comprehensive order:
- Spring of Seasons
- The Lake
- Harvey's Box
- The rest of Seasons
- 2 chapters of Case 23
- The Mill
- The rest of Case 23
- Hotel
- Birthday secret scene (you can watch it on Youtube)
- Arles
- Roots
- Samsara Room
- (The Past Within?)
- Paradise
- Paradox
- Paradox movie (optional)
- Secret ending of Paradox ch2
- The Cave
- Birthday
- Theatre
- The White Door
floral mauve
since trailers are mostly interpretation before the game comes out
floral mauve
since trailers are mostly interpretation before the game comes out
technically we should refer it gamewise
floral mauve
comprehensive order:
- Spring of Seasons
- The Lake
- Harvey's Box
- The rest of...
thats too much
and mess
it can be used as a replay order
but not first time
naive lotus
comprehensive order:
- Spring of Seasons
- The Lake
- Harvey's Box
- The rest of...
Ahh okay... so maybe the designers released them out of order on purpose
azure bay
Ahh okay... so maybe the designers released them out of order on purpose
to keep mystery
naive lotus
Lol
azure bay
comprehensive order light:
- The Lake
- Seasons
- Harvey's Box
- Case 23
- The Mill
- Hotel
- Arles
- Roots
- Samsara Room
- (The Past Within?)
- Paradise
- Paradox
- The Cave
- Birthday
- Theatre
- The White Door
floral mauve
comprehensive order light:
- The Lake
- Seasons
- Harvey's Box
- Case 23
- The M...
this is the one I would recommend
naive lotus
Actually yeah. From what ive seen with white door... i can see how it is later on
azure bay
Actually yeah. From what ive seen with white door... i can see how it is later o...
I put it in the end because it relies on Theatre
floral mauve
indeed
azure bay
and I have my reasons to put Theatre that far in the end
floral mauve
however, some ppl include myself play birthday and theatre first before paradox
its not in lore order but it gives me enlightenment
naive lotus
however, some ppl include myself play birthday and theatre first before paradox
Yeah I was planning on this
sage token
Ahh im yet to play that one
Twas love at first sight. I love puzzle game, point and click games, and detective mysteries, so Rusty Lake quickly became one of my top five borderline obsessions
azure bay
however, some ppl include myself play birthday and theatre first before paradox
I did otherwise to make clear the chronology
covert wyvern
ye it depends on hjow you fill them in. are they flashbacks Primarily and should they be played as Dale views them in his elevator ride up
naive lotus
Its an amazing game so far guys. I love the whole escape room vibe
covert wyvern
or do you just shove em in in there chronoligically
floral mauve
I did otherwise to make clear the chronology
true
naive lotus
But the fact its got a story.. a mysterious storyline is intriguing
floral mauve
but its just nice (for me) to see the previous games appear in newer games
its like all going together
naive lotus
I did otherwise to make clear the chronology
Thank u caw
azure bay
Thank u caw
u're welcome
naive lotus
Thanks everyone... excited bout this journey and going to focus on story instead of just puzzles
floral mauve
both both
sage token
Both is good
naive lotus
Yep :)
tender niche
is there a lot about the lake in the white door ? or is just bob and laura ?
tender niche
let me see if it is too much in reais
its the expensivest game of the franchise
like
paradox is 10 reais
this one is 20
tender niche
do you think its worth it ?
covert wyvern
absolutely.
tender niche
ok
covert wyvern
but please do forward these general question to #🩸｜general-chat next time, your initial question was fine haha but we've strayed far from theorising really quickly
covert wyvern
ofc np
tender niche
so talking about theors. Do the colors of the cubes means diferent things ?
ebon aspen
yep
basically speaking
white = good memories
black = bad memories
blue = helps changing memories/the past
golden = it seems to grant eternal life/enlightenment
tender niche
so the mill takes out good memorys ? levaving only the bad memorys curruping the soul ?
ebon aspen
the mill takes memories, period
it can extract any kind of memory, laura got corrupted bc aldous messed up with her cubes (i never remember the details in that letter)
floral mauve
the mill takes memories, period
it can extract any kind of memory, laura got cor...
I wouldnt say messed up, its probably risky and Aldous is unlucky I guess
Owl's letter:"extracting painful memory could cause corruption of the body"
I like the word "Could"
azure bay
I have a question
During the plague 9 of Paradise we see a huge group of people on the prophecy picture
Supposedly Eilanders' predecessors
And they all would likely sacrifice their firstborn during the day of the lake to get enlightenment
Which means being reborn as asura (some call them hybrids)
But how did the cult survive for so long?
Why didn't they all get enlightenment at once?