🤔｜theories

[outer osprey]

Sorry, my bad.

I forgot the term.

[errant comet]

Omg that was just what I was asking whaaat

[azure bay]

we don't actually know

James could go corrupted without us knowing it

[outer osprey]

That's my question.

[azure bay]

Albert seems to be so yet we didn't see it

[outer osprey]

We might see that in The Past Within.

[azure bay]

He's dead but somehow alive

He's definitely corrupted

even logo may give that idea

[errant comet]

Yes

[azure bay]

But I theorize on corruption being caused by strong negative emotions

so James could be good

[errant comet]

Yeah

[outer osprey]

Or strong ambition?

[errant comet]

But william wasnt negative :(

Right

[azure bay]

actually we don't know that

but even if not, the death caused by your own creation that you believed to give you eternal life is dissappointing

[errant comet]

But both in roots and samsara and cave didnt tell anything bad about him

[errant comet]

Yea

[azure bay]

it's his past, we know nothing about it

the biggest thing we can theorize on is him being Elisabeth's child. That's it

[errant comet]

Who was elisabeth

[errant comet]

Yea

[azure bay]

Elisabeth Eilander

the blind girl

[errant comet]

Oh rigt

[errant comet]

Why tho

[candid holly]

Hi guys, I remind that we're working on a big community project and we really need to know as many opinions as possible
https://www.reddit.com/r/rustylake/comments/t19yxj/the_lake_grand_analysis_your_questions_and/

Can you tell what's happening in The Lake?

[azure bay]

it's a long theory I won't be telling today. tired

ping me tomorrow here

[errant comet]

Oks you can aldo send a link

[azure bay]

I don't recall posting it in English

[errant comet]

Oh ok

[azure bay]

it's not mine and the guy who made it doesn't like to publish

[azure bay]

I already wrote mine

[candid holly]

And we are greatful ❤️

[errant comet]

ok I can write :3

[outer osprey]

Oh, I don't have a Reddit account.

[candid holly]

not a problem 🙂
we expect people writing it here as well

[sage token]

I have two theories that I like.

A. What if Dale is not only reliving his memories, but those of many people whose memories are in the Lake? Every Cube Escape game, if not every Rusty Lake game, could be Dale's journey through memories. It might explain Arles, which doesn't have much connection to the other games, aside from the painting of the Arles bedroom. But if Van Gogh's memory was in the Lake, Dale could be reliving that. The Lake could be altering the memories, creating puzzles, to test Dale and see if he is worthy of ascension. It also could be The Lake's way of explaining its history to Dale.

B. Maybe the Powerful Thing is not The Lake itself like people think, but something in the lake, like a monster.

[candid holly]

Oh, that's nice. We'll definitely keep it for the future

But I wasn't clear enough. For now we are looking for theories about Cube Escape: The Lake. The game 🙂

[sage token]

Ohhh I see 😅

My bad hehe

[floral mauve]

I would say otherwise, there are two options for corruptions, one is living beings, which is like what you said that can be triggered by negative emotions.
However, for the corpse, it seems to be messing with its negative past memories so it will trigger the soul into corruption

In Albert's case

His memories might be preserved

and messed by Owl that summoned his corrupted form

[azure bay]

For me, disturbing the corpse is a negative experience for the soul

[floral mauve]

emmmm

that can also explain

I guess

there is no contradiction between our statements

[azure bay]

))))))

[median cove]

So.. thoughts on The Past Within secret ending?

[azure bay]

thoughts on The Past Within regular ending?

[covert wyvern]

points towards #945320126608179231

(for convenient non spoiler tagginf discussions!)

Anyway! I don't really have feelings on that matter, yet.

[floral mauve]

I just realised

Is this William

if so, why is he worshipped

or presented as a funeral statue

Also

Since I am replaying Roots

I found out that Albert is...aggressive since he was born

I blame the alcohol

After he tried to push Emma and get the butterfly

he got defeated by Emma

he formed this thought of killing his siblings even before he got destroyed by the bee hive

so yea

Alcohol is bad for baby

lesson learned

[ebon aspen]

Seems like him, but its prolly just a funerary urn or memorial statue

Dont think hes worshipped

[floral mauve]

My bad wrong word probably

[crude horizon]

What if Emma didn't actually get impregnated by a flower, and that it was just easier in that day and age to make up a story like that than admit to having adult funtime before marriage to your family?

It would then make sense why she immediately assumed that her son ran away, she fought he ran away because he found out about his illegitimate birth, got mad, and wanted to meet his real father.

Again, all in the context of a family in the late 19th century

[royal notch]

But Emma passed months looking for him. And at the end she assumed he was dead, not fleed.

[crude horizon]

He could have fled, then died

[royal notch]

I don't think a seven-years-old boy would abandon già mother and family to go searching an improbable father.

[crude horizon]

Right. Eight year old. Forgot

But I don't think that invalidates my original theory though

[royal notch]

It's odd, but no, It doesn't.

[floral mauve]

Where did all these come from

this is just absurd

a child went missing and his mother was impregnated by a flower

if you want to link them then you need more evidence

otherwise its just not logical

since those two are just statements

[crude horizon]

Well here was my reasoning:
In the world of Rusty Lake, weird shit happens. That's a fact of nature at this point. But usually it abides by a set of rules. Immortal hybrids, corrupted souls and such have some form of cohesiveness to them: Two people must drink the elixir of life, one will die, the will find enlightenment. If you extract a bad memory from someone, they will turn into a corrupted soul.
There are obviously forms of weirdness that doesn't seem to abide by a set of rules. It's just weird because it is. This is mostly used in puzzles ( feeding a fish a firefly so that it turns into a key for example). They're only used in minor situations and don't bare too much of an impact on the story.
But then we have the birth of Frank Vanderboom, where his mother gets impregnated by a flower and gives birth to him. To me, that just seemed a little too weird for my liking. I mean sure, Frank wasn't that big of a character but still, right?

So I thought, what if she was never impregnated by the flower to begin with? What if she met someone in town, got a little too intimate with him, and felt ashamed to tell her family she had adult funtime before marriage? That doesn't seem too out of the ordinary for a family in the late 19th century.

Considering the history of the family, I'm sure no one would ever question something that odd happening to her.

[floral mauve]

agree

but why you link them together

the kid went missing, and there is no indication of she felt ashamed

[crude horizon]

Well she never did get an explanation for her son's disappearance, so this could have been her internal thought process

[floral mauve]

well well

too much internal drama in Emma then

I just see it simple

the kid got lost

kidnapped or not

parent is concerned

then depressed

dead

[crude horizon]

Fair enough, and in any case Ciaosonome did make me realise that Frank at that point was 8-years old, so behaviour like that would be unexpected for him. I just thought it might be an interesting angle in which that scene could viewed through

[royal notch]

I said that number as an example, to be correct he was seven! 😅

[crude horizon]

incriminating me further I see

[floral mauve]

bruh

[floral mauve]

I mean, thats an interesting approach

I just like things to be able to link together with minimum contradiction

[vapid portal]

hello i have noticed something and now i have many questions

[turbid heath]

i dont know what the bat's deal is either

Or the frog...

[vapid portal]

so at the end of hotel, you visit mr owl and you see all of the memories right? obviously they're all black meaning that they're bad memories (to me that's another proof that the animals are the reincarnations of the eilanders; they are bad memories to mr owl "the ruler of the lake" but thats not important here). however, the design of the characters are making me cause a lot of questions. I don't know if i'm looking to much into this but why is Mr. Deer's corrupted soul shaped with a human head and not as his animal form like the other ones? Why does the boar's corrupted soul seem more vague, he looks nothing like his living form? Why is the rabbit in a different form (the same one we see in birthday)?

i think the answer is that im overanalysing everything but anyways

[turbid heath]

not really, uhm

Have you played all the games? I don't remember the individual sources and I don't know what I'll spoil with what

[floral mauve]

From the current info we have, Mr Deer is not special, the real special one is Rabbit

Have you played Paradox and Birthday

I recommend you to go through all of the games

check out the channel description

[turbid heath]

yeah it's hard to discuss theories when you don't have all the information

Which sucks because I have played all the games forward and back, documenting my experience, and I have no idea what's going on

[floral mauve]

you wanna discuss?

I am always curious of what others think

[turbid heath]

sure, uhh

[floral mauve]

how about lets start from the last scene of hotel

what do u think about what happened in Owl's room

and why Harvey killed the guests or why Mr Owl told Harvey to do so

[turbid heath]

Albert has a big deer motif, that deer right there is IMO somewhat clearly resembling Albert, is there a connection there or are there just two deer dudes who are unrelated

oh that

[floral mauve]

oh

em

bruh

[turbid heath]

very

Anyways, your thing

[floral mauve]

I am sorry to disappoint you

[turbid heath]

For starters, I think it's pretty fair to say wide strokes of the games can be taken as metaphor

[floral mauve]

It is 99% certain that Mr Deer is not related to Albert

Because

[turbid heath]

I mean, not related physically in any way, yes

But reincarnations are a thing

[floral mauve]

First of all, Mr Deer was alive when Albert is also alive

[turbid heath]

which, yes, is pretty weak

[floral mauve]

so they existed in the same time

[turbid heath]

Indeed

[floral mauve]

like one in the mansion one in the hotel

[turbid heath]

Then again, time travel is also a thing

[floral mauve]

no I mean

they cant be the same person if they both appear to be in the same time era

[turbid heath]

No, no, I know, it's a dumb theory

[floral mauve]

one in human form one in asura form

so

what most ppl think and whats most logical approach of the guests

are linking them towards Eilanders

rather than Vanderbooms

[turbid heath]

Well yeah

Mr. Owl is the uh

(jakob? i think his name was jakob)

[floral mauve]

yes

good job

[turbid heath]

the protag of uhhh paradise

[floral mauve]

good

[turbid heath]

So, he kills his family, for whatever cube magic memory past is never dead it is not even past bullshit he has going on, and also for setting him on fire and also his mom

[floral mauve]

?

I think you meant

he got killed by his family

[turbid heath]

I mean, he got killed by em, set on fire

[floral mauve]

yes

[turbid heath]

And then when everyone was animals at a later date (or maybe earlier, again, time travel), he needed sacrifices for the lake and said "geez, where can i get sacrifices? Hey, you group of people who murdered me, where can i get sacrifices do you think?"

[floral mauve]

Its interesting to see a fresh person that plays all the game and still confused about it

[turbid heath]

and then sent Bird Hitman after their asses and had a frog chef? cook em

[floral mauve]

so do u get whats the entire message of Paradise?

[turbid heath]

What's with the frog btw, do we have any confirmation?

[floral mauve]

last summer, the devs confirmed that bat and frog were once human

[turbid heath]

I thought the message was that, like, the plagues were a way for the lake to vent memories, each of which had a piece of the memory of the elixir

[floral mauve]

Like what Eilanders want

[floral mauve]

interesting

actually

that is possible

[turbid heath]

The Eilanders trigger the plagues, get the recipe, and then get one sacrifice out of the deal, to try and build a... godling?

[floral mauve]

but it seems like gathering Caroline's memories though

[turbid heath]

Yeah, and the final memory iirc was her writing the elixir's formula in a cave

[floral mauve]

rather than building for elixir

yes

[turbid heath]

And then the formula is contained within the different memories triggered by the plagues

[floral mauve]

do u want to hear what I think?

and what most ppl believe?

[turbid heath]

I actually have the recipe written down

go ahead

[floral mauve]

respect

basically

[turbid heath]

yeah, as i said before i played through em and wrote everything down

[floral mauve]

The Eilanders want to be reincarnated and enlightened to be Asura, which they discovered that the old family ritual can do the trick

they sacrificed the wrong person which didnt gain the enlightenment

and it is possibly the reason why the plagues were caused

we are unsure about that though

[turbid heath]

hmm

[floral mauve]

Then in the end of Paradise

They sacrificed the right person

the first born

Jakob

[turbid heath]

It's likely it was the uhhh lake mommy who found the method

[floral mauve]

they enlightened

and most likely

that reincarnated into asura form and become the guests

[turbid heath]

ye

[floral mauve]

however, it seems likely that they lost their memories

[turbid heath]

Considering Birthday, it's likely they remember they are sort of stuck

[floral mauve]

yes

you smart

[turbid heath]

Mr. Rabbit claims that he has to do it (doing the Ultimate Crashing the Party Prank) in order to "get out"

[floral mauve]

However, thats after their CS

corruption

after they got killed

[turbid heath]

also this all really feels like you're looking for someone who has your level of obsession so you can lead them to your answers

and like, respect

[floral mauve]

is that a good thing though

[turbid heath]

wait actually

[floral mauve]

maybe its better to leave ppl to have their thoughts formed

[turbid heath]

The hidden scene in Birthday was the one where the animal lads beat the shit out of Harvey until he flew off, right?

or am i misrembin

[floral mauve]

yes

not only beat the shit out though

but also likely

killed him

[turbid heath]

Force him into becoming birb

Anyways, point is

Was the Rabbit acting on Mr Owl's orders, or was he acting on his own?

Like, was ruining the party part of the plan or did he do it to try and wreck the schedule

Wanting to escape the cycle of reincarnation through either doing enough odd jobs for the birb bois to earn his way to death, or by wrecking their shit enough they can no longer pay the immortality bills

[floral mauve]

sorry for leaving in the middle of the convo

I was in a call

[floral mauve]

You are on something my friend

I personally think

he is on his own

[floral mauve]

What he meant by the current state doesnt necessarily mean the entire cycle of reincarnation

I think he meant the state of in corrupution form

If we ignore the two rabbit phenomena, the path of Rabbit will be, David Eilander - Reincarnated Asura Mr Rabbit with no memory - Corrupted Soul Mr Rabbit form - Corrupted soul Mr Rabbit form that gained his memory back

[floral mauve]

according to the letter, he is trying to collect his past life substance

the thing inside the box of the Birthday

[turbid heath]

Wasn't the gun inside the box

[floral mauve]

yes, however, we arent sure

since the memory is likely to be altered

[floral mauve]

since on the day that all those happened, Mr Rabbit killed everyone and ran away with that thing in the box

We know the pistol is inside the box is due to the blue cube which is likely to be full of alteration of Mr Owl and Crow

[turbid heath]

true

Love this series because it's mystery genre but then they go "hey what if half of the stories were dreams, there was time travel, and literally one of the most reocurring elements was corrupted memories"

and now, i slep

[floral mauve]

Me2

Good night

[marsh hemlock]

yes the true birthday is in cube escape paradox

and the grandpa(mr crow)wasn't there

[turbid heath]

Oh crap yeah Crow was the grandpa

[outer jewel]

This man

Is villan

The end

[covert wyvern]

I have a feeling that this isn't RL related.

ye it's not.

[outer jewel]

Lol

[covert wyvern]

please do keep to the appropriate channels, be sure to go over #✅｜rules if you haven't yet!

[outer jewel]

Ok also

Can i say somethimg

The beta for the mod might be released today

[covert wyvern]

ye sure.

alright that's cool, but again, appropriate channel

theories isn't the one.

[outer jewel]

Game thory

Btw did yall ever try to get a game thory ep?

[covert wyvern]

haha there's actually someone on twitter whose been tweeting matpat daily

unsure if that's ongoing

either way I doubt the episode would b any good

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[outer jewel]

I prob need a lore knower for my fnf mod

[covert wyvern]

if you have specific lore related questions ask em here or use the discord search function to see if you can dig anything up.

[outer jewel]

The lore is more conplex then pibbu

Also

How long was this game dead for @covert wyvern

[covert wyvern]

wdym dead?

[outer jewel]

Like

No new content

Cuz i actualy havent thought the searies continued since 2016

[covert wyvern]

we've had content pretty consistently ever since RL started out.

new game dropping this year too.

but final warning these sorts of general questions go into #🩸｜general-chat

[outer jewel]

K

[covert wyvern]

if you just simply ignore all channels you will find yourself quickly muted.

[floral mauve]

I believe so as well

since he knows what get prepared for

I guess the Mr Crow is indeed a threapist

[turbid heath]

also the grandpa looks like Mr Crow in Case whatevernumber

and in Birthday

maybe they just have old man face

[floral mauve]

I mean he kinda helped Dale to recover his trauma in Birthday literally

by killing it

I guess Mr Crow's main is pistol

we all think Aldous is a nerdy alchemist

but he is a damn gun user

[astral frost]

Do you remember if the Grandpa was in Paradox puzzle inside Dale mind?

I only remember his parents being there

[ebon aspen]

He wasnt

(And neither in the part when his parents appear in the room)

[floral mauve]

yep

[turbid heath]

Did the Vandermeers' cat die in the shootout?

I don't remember if it showed up after

[ebon aspen]

it seems to be the same from case 23

[azure bay]

no and no

[azure bay]

it looks different

[turbid heath]

Would have to be a very long lived cat

Also like... In Case 23 the cat was in the vents; was it even Dale's cat or was it like some stray that got into the air system for warmth

[azure bay]

it didn't look like Dale's cat

[ebon aspen]

maybe dale adopted one after losing the first

but tbh i dunno what relevance it would have to the plot

[turbid heath]

Because I do like the idea that Dale's memories were being reviewed at the lake in Paradox and he did not consider grandma GOD BIRD notable enough to add to dream sequence number three but he did remember the funny cat he fed some dream chicken to

[azure bay]

Dale's memories were being reviewed at the lake in Paradox
what exactly do you mean here?

[turbid heath]

Like, he was seeing his memories at the lake and said "know what this picturesque image of my family lacks, that funny kitty with the soft belly"

look half of what i say about these games is going to be nonsense, and about 10% of that nonsense will be my fault

[azure bay]

and the rest?

[turbid heath]

The rest will be discussions on how the number fish that you find inside a lake full of literal corrupted memories you reach through time travel (?) is actually double canon

Your next sentence is "The WHAT? Should I call a hospital?"

I simply will not explain myself.

[floral mauve]

wha

[azure bay]

why tho?

[floral mauve]

why I am confused

[turbid heath]

😊

[floral mauve]

underwater forrest and corrupted soul and giant fish

scary lake

Respect Eilanders for living in the center of the lake

[turbid heath]

Mhm

Love these games, they are nonsense

[azure bay]

not in every aspect

even in long shot

[floral mauve]

when I play the game, I always think its me or Dale that is high

[azure bay]

you'll be surprised

it's the devs

[floral mauve]

bruh

[turbid heath]

But also Dale

[floral mauve]

Rusty lake cigar

high as f

tbh

it is kinda true

[turbid heath]

He's a... Dutch? Canadian? guy in the 1960s iirc, he takes his morning cocaine bowl with a lead spoon

[azure bay]

American of Dutch origins

[floral mauve]

emmm

International teleportation service

by Mr Owl

T pose

[azure bay]

can I be honest with you guys?

[floral mauve]

wha

[azure bay]

can I?

[floral mauve]

yea

[azure bay]

I'll wait. maybe I don't have to

[floral mauve]

if its important u can always dm

bruh

[turbid heath]

Maybe you can

(reserving my rights to apply censorship through extreme violence uwu)

[azure bay]

ok. I'm starting to dislike tirrene's attitude

that was it

[turbid heath]

oh

[azure bay]

honesty time is up

[turbid heath]

... sorry?

[floral mauve]

I am super confused right now

[turbid heath]

It's my attitude, I made it myself

[floral mauve]

Is there some misunderstanding somewhere I dont get

out of nowhere

[turbid heath]

no idea

[covert wyvern]

I suppose Tirrene's behaviour could be seen more so as shitposting than actual theorising

[turbid heath]

I kinda do both tbh

[azure bay]

||yeah, out of me||

[turbid heath]

Just because I treat something as a joke does not mean I don't take it seriously

[covert wyvern]

but you don't owe anyone your time @azure bay if stuff is being said here you don't agree with you can simply Ignore it.

[azure bay]

I just thought I need to speak out loud once in a while. nothing more

[covert wyvern]

you're allowed to voice your opinions, but I honestly think you've said enough rn

[azure bay]

couldn't be more agree

[covert wyvern]

cool!

[turbid heath]

Oookay

New tangent: Something I just noticed about the demo

The computer's message is directed at Rose, iirc?

[azure bay]

don't think so

[floral mauve]

also

do we still need spoiled tags

damy

[covert wyvern]

yes!

you can also unarchive the thread at any point

if you wish to discuss without

(if you can't let me know and I can see if i can fix that permission for y'all)

[turbid heath]

Oh crap yeah true

[covert wyvern]

O no I can't give yo uthat permission nvm

Discord stop bundling your permissions

[turbid heath]

Anyways ||what I meant was that, like, iirc somewhere in that game was a message asking Rose for help with an experiment||

[covert wyvern]

there unarchived manually, should b accesible now.

[turbid heath]

Wait maybe it was in the past bit

Yeah wait that was the letter not the computer innit

Nvm

[floral mauve]

Emmm

we can carry out this convo in the sub channel

because it seems like u are still partially spoiling

[turbid heath]

im trying to keep it light 😢

[vague imp]

What was the wierd machine looking thing in birthday

[covert wyvern]

i dunno, blue cube producer? a special transport containment unit?

[real lantern]

I like to think of it as some sort of special container, so that the cube doesnt start just messing up time

[covert wyvern]

ye that seems like a valid approach to be fair

[vague imp]

Yeah also

It didnt change

Like once you went back

[real lantern]

The design of it kinda reminds me of lightsabers, with the whole "made out of anything you could find" vibe

[vague imp]

Lol

I always wonder about the random specific puzzle stuff

Like i get they for

Gameplay and not lore

[covert wyvern]

ye pretty much

[vague imp]

But who tf is like “yeah imma put this fish deep in a lake and they gonna give morse code to give you 3 letters that lets you spill ink over a map in a specific way that gives you the coordinates for a cube”

[real lantern]

Maybe the fish ate the memory cubes of a soldier and is now inteligent and knows morse code

[vague imp]

Lol

[covert wyvern]

but also these are videogames.

[real lantern]

Yes, but a fish with war flashbacks sounds funnier

[vague imp]

Or which madman had the motivations to ||hide coordinents at random landmarks leading too fish with more coordinants leading to a box that had letters on it that would give you a crate where you would have to put some guys birthday to reveal random objects||

[vague imp]

Shhhhh

As far as you know

[floral mauve]

for me the machine in Birthday is a symbol for providing a sort of Hope for Dale, especially in a younger vulnerable mind, to cure the trauma of this massacre

people always wonder what if, what if Dale's parents arent dead, less regret? More family time despite of it being the last?

Damn, this makes me expecting a 10 mins short Birthday film

plus

there isnt necessarily logic behind the machine itself

since its all in his mind

[azure bay]

I personally require such

[turbid heath]

i thought the machine was weird lake tech bullshit similar to those vats the animal spirits were stored in after Hotel

[floral mauve]

I will feel actually tear

imagine losing your beloved parents at a young age and u never feel relieved

now u are able to see them again

and even have an opportunity...to save them

I have tears in my eyes now

[azure bay]

Paradox is in his mind. Birthday is memory. They are not necessarily the same

[floral mauve]

I mean altered

the only difference for me between the fictional novel and RL games is the thoughts of the main character we are playing

we dont know how does Dale feel about what happened in Birthday

as CE

but I think

he would feel relieved

[turbid heath]

It being a memory doesn't mean much, because again, corrupted memories are a whole thing in RL

[azure bay]

what are corrupted memories?

[turbid heath]

are you asking me to describe what those are or are you asking me to provide examples

[azure bay]

try giving a short definition with an example or 2

[turbid heath]

Like, a memory someone has that is "corrupted" due to trauma or external influence by someone capable of doing such a thing (like asuras or corrupted souls)

Examples would be uh

[azure bay]

black cubes?

[turbid heath]

Ye

They generate black cubes, at least

[azure bay]

well, technically, black cubes were never called corrupted

[turbid heath]

(as far as i understand all this because quite frankly i could just be fully wrong)

[floral mauve]

it may cause corruption

doesnt mean its corrupted

[azure bay]

they are rather painful memories

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

according, to Owl's letter

I'm sure, everyone have black and white cubes in their heads

[floral mauve]

yea

but depends though

[azure bay]

the difference between normal person and corrupted one could be just their relative quantity

[floral mauve]

for Caroline for example, some of her black cubes doesnt show much pain

but others, burn in fire

dam

[azure bay]

well, pain could've been subtle and purely emotional

[floral mauve]

fair enough

[azure bay]

raising the 1stborn and watching him being prepared for a sacrifice could be painful for a mother

[floral mauve]

yes

that one I do agree

but some

like

studying for elixir

[azure bay]

out of despair )))

[floral mauve]

bruh

others

I dont remember

but I am pretty sure not all of Caroline's black cubes are painful

[floral mauve]

(Time to replay paradise

[azure bay]

And I'm pretty sure you can find a way to see them as such if you really want to

[floral mauve]

well damn

I believe

so

for example

plague 2

I see that as pretty white cube moment

[azure bay]

unless, as I said before, Caroline knows what awaits Jacob

[floral mauve]

and yes

the rest

are painful

[floral mauve]

fair enough

u convinced me

[hollow igloo]

Memories in order:

1. family on Caroline’s Coffin, presumably after the sacrifice;
   2)”Jakob, Jakob, my firstborn”;
2. family portrait;
   4)”one day you will learn the true nature of sacrifice”
   5)working on the Elixir
   6)blood and stuff on the forehead
   7)”take me instead”
   8)Jakob going away
   9)burn witch, burn

[floral mauve]

thank u this is perfect🤌

[turbid heath]

one of the cubes was her writing down the formula iirc

[floral mauve]

5

[turbid heath]

not very traumatic

[floral mauve]

well

she was trapped in a well

studying

with torch

[turbid heath]

ALSO this is the correct time to add a thing i wrote down but will never use anyways so

[floral mauve]

if she has claustrophobia she would legit die there due to panic attack

[turbid heath]

The ingredients are:

1. Deer antlers
2. A towel
3. A rose
4. Human hair
5. Chalk
6. A heart
7. A bar
8. Wood
9. Fire
10. The owl mask

[floral mauve]

I am slightly confused

what do u mean by ingredient

I mean

ingredient of what

u can say its the main theme of each memory?

[turbid heath]

On the final cutscene snapshots of all the memories are shown and each one highlights one part of them, with the highlights then being compared to the formula as shown in the cave flashback

I assumed they were important components

[floral mauve]

ah

ppl have different theories about it

@azure bay Bro, I think u can explain this matter better than I do since I also have little idea about it, (I think u told me that the memories of Caroline create the spiritual Elixir theory thing?)

[azure bay]

By taking those elements from her memory

BTW the mask could be a metaphor

[azure bay]

Unless she's still depressed about Jacob being eventually killed and Elixir is her desperation move

[azure bay]

Don't think she was trapped

[floral mauve]

my bad for wording again

my brain doesnt think properly when typing a foreign language

[turbid heath]

could be, but we don't know either way

[floral mauve]

I made so many this type of mistakes here in the channel already

[turbid heath]

big same

[azure bay]

Owl mask is too specific for an alchemical component

[turbid heath]

so is the towel tbh

[floral mauve]

perhaps its about important stuff of her life, like

milestones

[turbid heath]

perhaps

ngl i wrote this all down without context

dont even remember what kind of bar that was

[ebon aspen]

It would if he wasnt a chaotic guy

[azure bay]

Crow's time is as limited as the one of Owl

he may probably survive several decades after his friend

but Dale would be a fresh blood to last much much longer

Another thing is, Dale is to overcome Mr. Owl, so it's also about progress

Caroline was less powerful than Owl and Owl is less powerful than Dale is destined to become

[turbid heath]

I kinda have to ask

Why Dale?

Like, Dale was, from what I know, chosen, and then Rabbit did the funny and he went on to become a copper and investigate case 23

But why was he chosen? Did Mr Crow just go "welp, let's pick my maternal grandson?" and then Mr Owl went full cheeks on that plan?

[covert wyvern]

potentially.

I dont think i personally buy it but

the evidence towards it is pretty good, i g.

[sage token]

I believe it's more likely that Mr Crow was inserted into Dave's memory as his grandpa, who might not have even existed, in order to "fix" Dale's memory of his birthday.

[covert wyvern]

also a good take

[sage token]

Only Rusty Lake knows the truth.

[turbid heath]

That's... Actually way more plausible

Also lynn your pfp is very well drawn and also has like, part of a soul?

But only the part that is able to sin

[sage token]

Thank you 😁 It's my Rusty Lake OC, Miles Verdediger. I shared the drawing in #🎨｜fan-creations a little while back

[turbid heath]

Nice

What's Verdediger mean?

tell me his whole deal (but like, in a different room ig)

[sage token]

"Defender". We can continue this in #🛖｜the-cabin in a little bit, but I gotta do something first

[turbid heath]

yeye

[floral mauve]

I agree this, except the fixing part, since the purpose of elevator journey is help Dale to be mentally prepared

but yea

it is likely to be inserted

It is also kinda intersting

why was Dale chosen

by Mr Rabbit and Mr Owl

u can always say its coincidence, but thats kinda boring

Also

from the book in Paradise

it seems like

Owl is the chosen one

but somehow he isnt and he passes it to Dale

[floral mauve]

Dale isnt Owl since he is Deer

[burnt bay]

mr owl is Jakob and mr deer is his father nicholas

[turbid heath]

But who is Harvey?

I guess we're still kinda missing a game that centers on Laura that isn't a dream sequence or something

[ebon aspen]

Harvey's mystery is like to be solved only with the final games (that is, if there will be an ending to the series)
By now he is just the average servant for the lake folk that has been around for centuries

[turbid heath]

Same as Chef Frog and Mr Bat

Chef Frog POV game when, RL?

CHEF FROG POV WHEN?

[ebon aspen]

Sadly its likely we wont have a cooking simulator

At least i dont ser a reason for it besides the meme

[turbid heath]

😭

[burnt bay]

I'm also looking forward to a game that reveals how mr owl and mr crow finds each other

[ivory girder]

harvey is like one of the most interesting characters in the whole series for me, he's in every game like a spy lol

i really want a game centered around him

[azure bay]

seemingly accidental fate works for me great

[floral mauve]

yea but Mr Rabbit thing

isnt random

its related

somehow

[azure bay]

Rabbit was for the pistol

[floral mauve]

I see it more like Identity, Owl was Caroline

[azure bay]

and the pistol could get there accidentally

[floral mauve]

but why, why the Dale's family one

[floral mauve]

thats too much interpretation

its not Harry Potter

[burnt bay]

agreed. in birthday the letter from mr rabbit implies that smth is behind how he chose dale

[azure bay]

any answer is

[floral mauve]

but u really need evidence for dis

[azure bay]

he wrote that he needed the pistol. the end

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

just like for any other version

My reasoning

[floral mauve]

show me

[azure bay]

Owl wasn't sure that Dale was the right man in Case 23-The Mill

therefore, he discovered him recently

therefore, he couldn't send him pistol

[floral mauve]

yep

thats true

I dont think Rabbit is commanded by Mr Owl, he works on his own

and that pistol

[azure bay]

so either grandpa is Crow, or the pistol got there by accident

[floral mauve]

is a link between D Eilander and Vandermeers

[azure bay]

eh?

[burnt bay]

mr crow is aldous vandermeer

[azure bay]

that's highly debatable

[floral mauve]

I mean the whole event of getting Dale's family slaughered doesnt seem to be commanded by Mr Owl rather than Mr Rabbit's own intension to retrieve the object

[floral mauve]

indeed

[floral mauve]

plus even Owl wasnt sure if Dale is the right person in Case 23

that means he probably doesnt even know Dale back when he was little

[burnt bay]

sorry vanderboom

[burnt bay]

rl roots reveals this

[floral mauve]

The prophecy of Hotel only shows the image of the grown up Dale

[azure bay]

yes, that's correct. and still he could change his name and start a new life incognito

[floral mauve]

thats why I see Aldous and Owl had nothing to do with the family massacre of Vandermeer

maybe its like u said

fate

and coincidence

[azure bay]

fairly speaking, Crow not knowing his grandson to be the chosen one is also a possibility

[floral mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-dont-even-know-who-you-are-marvel-gif-15769006

Mr Owl

[floral mauve]

maybe

[burnt bay]

mr crow is not dale's grandfather

[floral mauve]

since there is no sign of it

[floral mauve]

true

[azure bay]

he could be

[floral mauve]

but not 100%

[ivory girder]

but then harvey sent a letter to dale and even said that he was dale's friend and ya know harvey crow and owl work together

[floral mauve]

I see it as 30% chance of Aldous being the grandpa

[floral mauve]

altered memory and maybe Harvey was really a friend of Dale

back then

[ivory girder]

hmmm

[azure bay]

I don't really see how Harvey could be Dale's friend

[ivory girder]

but then why is the letter there it's just not for only the stamps right

[floral mauve]

who knows, might be letter friends, like it was popular in old days, writing a letter to a foreigner

old days discord

[azure bay]

we need more evidence of a parrot writing things to be sure

[floral mauve]

indeed

but what the whole purpose of Harvey's letter though

in terms of the plot

[ivory girder]

yes that's my point

it can't be only there for the stamps right

[floral mauve]

technically the plot wont change

if the letter of Harvey went missing

so its completely for extra context purpose

[azure bay]

a funny thing

usually I advocate for taking the notes literally

So I either need to trust the letter or make this rule of mine more precise

what's the difference between the postcard and Owl's letter, let's say, to Boar?

[floral mauve]

no difference since they both serve the purpose of providing us the context

[turbid heath]

Some people have said the pistol was part of the altered memory and the box contained something else

[turbid heath]

ye

Plus like, where else did we see one such pistol?

okay the gun used in theatre was a snubnosed revolver, not a flintlock

Wait did the box show up in uhhh The Cave?

[azure bay]

The pistol, Rabbit and the massacre are few of things that seem original

[azure bay]

And yet we believe Owl's letter and not Harvey's postcard. Do you wonder why?

[turbid heath]

bird racism

[turbid heath]

i have used the hypnosis tape as asmr many times

boutta use it now

[azure bay]

I guess, I found the difference
or rather an excuse to dismiss that postcard

Owl's letters are rather informative

They explain what's happening instead of confusing

[floral mauve]

Yes

It’s more understandable

[floral mauve]

I have been replaying roots recently, yet no one really likes the idea of time travelling

but it cant explain Leonard

what happned

So Crow tell William to protect Leonard?

we know Leonard returned to the mansion alive before we rescue him (without gas mask)

does that mean what we saw in his head was.... a memory?

because in this case

the consequence comes before the cause

[turbid heath]

Is Roots played from William's perspective?

Also very important I just remembered is the freaking dog an asura?

[outer osprey]

Yes!

[outer osprey]

What's an asura? Also, you probably shouldn't swear.

[covert wyvern]

swearing's fine as long as its not excessive./

an asura is a stage of the samsara wheel

it's what Mr. Crow and Mr. Owl are

[turbid heath]

oh sorry

[covert wyvern]

the dog is in fact immortal, yes.

[turbid heath]

edited

[outer osprey]

Ah, okay, I just said that because in other servers I am in swearing is not allowed at all.

[covert wyvern]

I'd be fired as a mod a long time ago in that case lmao ¯_(ツ)_/¯

but thanks for looking out.

[turbid heath]

Lol

[floral mauve]

no

its immortal

but in Animal state

[outer osprey]

We've had this conversation before, or at least something similar.
The dog is just immortal, it can't become an athropomorphic animal like Mr. Crow or Mr. Owl, or evan Harvey.

[floral mauve]

didnt get enlightened

From the previous discussion which occured many times, months

[outer osprey]

Yep, exactly!

[floral mauve]

the elixir serves two purposes

1. Immortality
2. Enlighten the Man to Asura state

[turbid heath]

Enlighten the Man, yes

[floral mauve]

Animals are in Animal state

[turbid heath]

But what does it do to the Dog

[floral mauve]

which was one stage before man

[floral mauve]

nothing

Dog belongs to Animal

Man doesnt

since it has more consciousness

[turbid heath]

Shouldnt that mean animals would advance to human, since humans advance to asura

[floral mauve]

Fuck Darwin

[turbid heath]

Man

[floral mauve]

?

how so

Asura is advance to human

not reversed

[floral mauve]

otherwise why is everyone crazy about getting enlightened

[outer osprey]

Okay, now I wonder how Harvey works. All we know is:

• They were born as a bird and NOT a human
• They have been alive for CENTURIES
• They could achieve an asura form until 1894, when the corrupted souls escaped from the hotel, and they're now stuck as a bird forever

So, if Harvey was alive even before Mr. Owl and Mr. Crow became who they are, does that mean they also took the elixir? Did they become enlightened?

[floral mauve]

asura from

not human form

[outer osprey]

Okay, I corrected it, but my questions still stand.

[floral mauve]

yes

[floral mauve]

born as a bird, we dont know

tbh

In my opinion, Harvey was a normal creature but the lake changed they somehow

I wish I could use ''it'' to refer as Harvey

However, it is suggested that Harvey might help Caroline during the invention of Elixir

[turbid heath]

them?

[floral mauve]

the concept of Elixir like spiritually how is work and the idea of memory cubes

since Jakob enlightened in an spiritual manner

[turbid heath]

Ye

[floral mauve]

then

the Alchemist brothers developed the physical elixir under the guidance of Jakob

eventually the green liquid

[turbid heath]

We also know that Harvey works for Owl and Crow, as a sort of hitman/bodyguard, and ended up making contact with Rose (and therefore Albert's faction of sorts)

[floral mauve]

but it is believed that this is not the end

Since Jakob believed that there is a Full Elixir

[turbid heath]

Because we know he was adopted by Laura, and

[floral mauve]

bodyguard....

bruh

I dont think bodyguard is a job that is about murdering others

[turbid heath]

Uhm, spoilers for TPW's demo, ||considering the computer, it is likely the future side of TPW takes place at about the decade Laura dies, and Rose is working for Albert there||

Bodyguard was not really the best description, true

[floral mauve]

this part is completely interpretation

but I support

but we should discuss more when the full game is out

[azure bay]

Elixir works as long as it's in your body. Dog takes a dump and loses elixir bit by bit. Harvey would do the same.

So elixir is not probable here

[floral mauve]

btw do u support my idea of Elixir doses

[azure bay]

That is?

[floral mauve]

the Elixir quantity that James provided to The dog is a lot, which means the immortality lasts longer

respect to the size of its body shape

for man maybe it lasts 1 or 2 century

for dog maybe it lasts 1000 years

[azure bay]

What are you trying to explain? The dog being immortal longer than crow?

[floral mauve]

yes

at least longer

thats is why the dog has become the sustainable source of Elixir

otherwise why wont they consume the feces of Aldous

this is cursed

ew

[azure bay]

My thoughts:

1. The dog drank elixir 10 yers after Crow. It has at least 10 more years than him.
2. A guy from reddit compared average digestive system productivity both for dogs and humans. If I'm not mistaken, it would take the dog a bitlonger to shit out all elixir.
3. but yeah, elixir's quantity could affect the longevity of the effect

[turbid heath]

Most of what we say is gonna be interpretation tbh

[floral mauve]

yes

but

[turbid heath]

I do like the idea of immortal supergods having to literally eat s**t to stay alive

The true test, vampires wish they had this

[outer osprey]

I doubt it! XD

[outer osprey]

It's gross, but interesting.

[floral mauve]

I dunno if its as long as its in your body

since

as long as u collect your own shit

and consume them

technically

it also works

perhaps human has a stronger disgestive system?

only wastes been produced?

whereas dogs have nutrients leftover?

ew

[turbid heath]

Maybe they were simply more comfortable with eating dog poop than with acting like normal rational adults and eating each other's butts

[azure bay]

There likely to be losses

Maybe you can use the same elixir twice but not thrice

[floral mauve]

I reached the end of my Roots replay

I noticed something

very interesting

Aldous said: "Better give me the seed."

this is a quite threaten and aggressive line which I hard to believe come from Aldous

I see no reason why

is it because he is afraid that William might be triggered?

for dying?

[outer osprey]

Maybe he wanted to have it ASAP and keep it safe until William was reborn?

[floral mauve]

emmm

[outer osprey]

The existence of that seed was vital to make sure William returns.

Maybe.

[floral mauve]

but he could just say

give me the seed brother

[outer osprey]

Or he was too nervous and he didn't want anything to happen to that seed.

[azure bay]

He's more resourceful to put it into a good use

[floral mauve]

emmm

i dunno

sounds slightly overwhelming

[turbid heath]

Theory: He was simply down bad

"nice cravat call you hooter, give me that seed owlboeh"

[azure bay]

Can you imagine a CS writing James a letter?

I can't

[turbid heath]

tbf we have seen a CS brandishing a knife

they could do pens

We have also seen a CS sitting at the toilet which honestly just creates more questions

[azure bay]

remind me plz

[turbid heath]

Paradox

[azure bay]

well

[turbid heath]

Like, in both endings AND the movie the spooky ghost has a knife

[azure bay]

there is a difference between using weapons and writing a notarial notice about inheritance

[turbid heath]

true

I suppose it all comes down to how much intelligence and dexterity a CS keeps

[floral mauve]

I thought it’s Aldous

[turbid heath]

I assumed it was either Aldous, William pre-mortem, or Spooky William

[azure bay]

exactly, that's why William would better give him that seed

[sage token]

Spooky William is what I'm gonna call him from now on

[azure bay]

Spooky Will is not expected to be too literate. Then they likely didn't know who of them would die. So Aldous is the most likely candidate and you'd better give him any seed he asks

[floral mauve]

But Aldous could just use a more friendly phase like he did in Roots mostly

Bruh

[azure bay]

dunno

[floral mauve]

Wdym

[azure bay]

CS are usually unpredictable

[floral mauve]

Bruh

But he knows what he wants

He knows what to do

[azure bay]

does Crow know that he knows?

[turbid heath]

i'd give aldous any seed he asked for

have you seen him dance in birthday, he got moves

[delicate forge]

Fr

[azure bay]

That's the problem. That dance is one of the things that make me doubt the grandpa being Crow

I never got genuine Crow vibes from him

[floral mauve]

Boom haha

[turbid heath]

Okay so

This is either me finally going insane or having been insane all along and only just realizing

Is the doctor lady from TWD Rose?

[covert wyvern]

Mhm

You mean Sarah?

I suppose it could potentially b an interesting theory but I think it's implied she and bob end up dating? Which uh

Mother heals daughters ex and dates him,

Yikes!

[turbid heath]

Oh true we got her name

I got recommended a video on youtube and like, I barely remembered the plot of the game, the thumbnail had an arrow pointed from a picture of Rose to one of Sarah, it was in Korean I think and it was long

What else but to wildly speculate, but yeah, I was wrong

[covert wyvern]

Nah I mean

Honeslty I think it's a fair shot

It would have interesting implications

But I just think the game had other plans

[floral mauve]

dam is that Rusty lake Cigar u smoking?

u high as f

[turbid heath]

This has been well established

[floral mauve]

Also there is a theory somewhere

saying

Rose is undead

like she was fused with Elixir when she was born

but

I argued

not all green liquid is Elixir

but thats a fair point

I dunno which is worse

giving baby booze or giving baby elixir

[covert wyvern]

Ethically speaking I'm just gonna say both r wrong lmao

[floral mauve]

bruh we did both😭

[vague imp]

It seems likely it was elixir but idk why that implies she’s undead

[azure bay]

elixir is lost

[vague imp]

Oh yeah

[somber flame]

Ok so Im not sure if this has been discussed here, but I had a question

Is Mr. Rabbit, the one we see in Birthday, actually Dale?

If so, when does the transition happen and is he at all related to the rabbit hybrid we see in Paradise and Hotel?

Also, in Hotel we have two different Mr. Rabbits. We have the brown one which I assume is Jakob Eilander's brother, but then, in Mr Owl's room there's the white Mr. Rabbit who appears in Birthday

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

[turbid heath]

it's possible David Eilander and Dale Vandermeer are like, soul companions or something

Plus in Paradox you specifically call D. Eilander, the magician, so it's likely the differing designs are up tocreative interpretation?

or maybe the white rabbit is the brown rabbit's corrupted soul and they just do that

[somber flame]

Ooooooooh this is interesting, that would be a first though, maybe it'll be explained in the future

[somber flame]

Rightttt, I'll have to play Paradox again cause i dont remember very well hmmmm

[turbid heath]

i don't believe that

[somber flame]

but that could be something

[turbid heath]

at all

[somber flame]

lmaoo

yeah the devs are very particular on what they choose to explain lol

The thing in Paradox could have the answer though, cause it directly connects the two

is it in Chapter 2?

cause I just played 1 and I didnt run into it

[ivory girder]

yeah it is in chap. 2

[somber flame]

Perfecttt

[floral mauve]

Interesting point

I think we havent discussed this before

but that will make it super strange

and complicated

I need to summon the guy @azure bay

[somber flame]

Oh boy

[floral mauve]

u could say its altered memory

[azure bay]

Thx, dude

What's the original question?

[floral mauve]

since the later on scenes are not real to some extent

[somber flame]

^^

[azure bay]

How would you explain him being called D. Eilander?

[floral mauve]

However, Mr Rabbit indeed dressed like that even during the real massacre

[floral mauve]

I think thats his query as well

he just found it odd

[somber flame]

Isnt D. Eilander David?

[azure bay]

I'm asking for his interpretation

[somber flame]

Ok so

[azure bay]

Likely so

[somber flame]

I have no idea how the two could be related, but Mr. Rabbit mentions that this is one of his past lives

and is also dressed the same way as Dale, with maybe a few tiny changes in color

[azure bay]

He spoke about the pistol he took

[floral mauve]

I have my interpretation after 5 mins in confusion:
There isnt any evidence suggesting that Mr Rabbit from The birthday is actually D.Eilander, it can be a fake identity adopt by Dale by wearing a Rabbit head which can also explain how he is using a gun and got hurt

I can say I am Mr Owl

[azure bay]

I don't believe in the devs misleading us

[ivory girder]

isn't a pistol a way to kill a corrupted soul like in arles right?

so it can be the case here

[floral mauve]

well, he sort of shot himself

[somber flame]

We also see the white rabbit in Hotel when he's looking in from outside of Mr. Rabbit's room

[floral mauve]

the only evidence we have is that Dale's parents say its D Eilander

[somber flame]

and then again in Mr. Owl's room, instead of the brown rabbit

[floral mauve]

And the document in paradox

[somber flame]

In Birthday?

[floral mauve]

which is in Dale's head

[azure bay]

We also have a letter signed by Mr. Rabbit

[floral mauve]

no

[floral mauve]

its in paradox I believe

[somber flame]

Right right ok

sorry

playing chap. 2 rn

[floral mauve]

well, we dont know the sign of actual Mr Rabbit do we

I can sign and say I am Mr Owl

[azure bay]

I repeat, I'm not taking the devs lying to us

[floral mauve]

jk we do know the sign of Mr Owl

[floral mauve]

why

It might be a interesting plot

its not lying

[somber flame]

Everyone in Hotel refers to themselves as Mr. Deer or Ms. Pigeon, so we know what they go by

so I think what straynut is saying could be plausible

That it could be Dale hiding his identity

[floral mauve]

the ones in hotel I believe are still the reincarnations of Eilanders

[somber flame]

Yes for sure

[floral mauve]

but the Mr Rabbit showed up in Birthday

is sus

[somber flame]

true

but he also shows up in Hotel so maybe that's where the switch happened

if we're going with that theory

[azure bay]

Because it's stupid. Their story is already confusing and requires minor clues to be solved. If we can not trust those clues, it becomes a more confusing mess not worthy to touch imo

[somber flame]

Lmao yeah I guess you're right

Just trying to make sense of it all

cause its not really lying is it

since its not the same Mr. Rabbit

its clearly someone else

[ivory girder]

speaking of handwriting does this look familiar to the handwriting in birthday to yall?

[somber flame]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[floral mauve]

indeed

[azure bay]

It's a font

[somber flame]

lmao

[floral mauve]

bruhh

[ivory girder]

well it's a font

[floral mauve]

today we are all trying to make everything complicated

[ivory girder]

we know that but why is it used at the same place

[somber flame]

yeah i think its also used in Roots for the letter written in blood or whatever

[floral mauve]

my mind is a mess now

[somber flame]

ahahahhaha

[ivory girder]

i am probably just over-complicate everything rn lol

[somber flame]

lmaooo

[floral mauve]

indeed but this discovery kinda overthrow ur reborn CS theory

[azure bay]

Either a hidden message or cutting corners. I choose the latter

[floral mauve]

which can be another branch of interpretation

[ivory girder]

aaaaaaaaaand this too

i have only seen this in mr. deer's room

uhm

[somber flame]

ooooh what's that?

[ivory girder]

i'm probably over-complicating everything lol

[somber flame]

could it be the white rabbit helping you kill everyone

[azure bay]

Well, I'm waiting for an opportunity to share it

[somber flame]

cause why would mr deer write "mr deer's research plan"

[somber flame]

lmao

[floral mauve]

something about Mr Rabbit becoming more human and flesh based while time travelling

in CS form

[azure bay]

May I take a word since I'm the author?

[floral mauve]

yes

sorry

[somber flame]

go aheadd

[azure bay]

So, 1st of all I want to underline that the white rabbit in the window looks a lot like a CS caught by Owl

All the other CS caught by Owl in Hotel likely used to belong to the guests

So it's natural to assume the same about Rabbit

Therefore, a CS floating by Rabbit's window is likely himself from the future

Other possible examples:

Seasons: Laura seeing a CS in the window and vise versa, a CS seeing Laura there (strongly debatable, but still)

Paradox: Dale's CS sees many other Dale's versions. And those whose perspective we can follow see their CS

Samsara Room: William's CS having an eye contact with Laura

Now to Birthday

The white Rabbit is called both Mr. Rabbit and D. Eilander

And also magician

All 3 in one way or another lead to brown Rabbit

So does his note