🤔｜theories

[floral mauve]

[azure bay]

I assume, there was no CS after Laura died

There might be just a soul

That got corrupted due to memory extraction

[floral mauve]

but why didnt the soul leave the body

why the soul was trapped in Laura's body

[azure bay]

it takes time to be reborn. I guess, it could be the reason

[floral mauve]

...?

does that mean we can trigger any corpse and turn it into CS?

Why isnt Ida or Samuel turned into CS

[azure bay]

What did we do for that?

[floral mauve]

Idk

Feed the lake

With their memories

I wonder why didn’t they do that

Rusty Lake sustainability

[azure bay]

Even if their memories were taken, they don't guarantee any CS and it even would happen only behind the scene

btw it seems that Albert went corrupted after all

tho we didn't see it

[floral mauve]

how wo

Is it related to tpw?

[azure bay]

TPW is my only source of evidence

the logo, the recent teaser

[floral mauve]

okay

thats reasonable

tbh

its such a waste

using an entire family for body parts purpose only

should have extracted memories and investigate them in twd

[potent palm]

hey guys kinda quick question: It might be really really obvious for some of you , but I recently saw people commenting about Aldous being Dale's grandfather in Birthday. Is it an official thing or just a theory?????

[ebon aspen]

Just a theory bc one resembles the other

Since bday is dale visiting his memories, it could be a manifestation of aldous' interference or smth, but no canon

[potent palm]

Thank you!!

[azure bay]

just an asset reuse could also be a thing yet it isn't that interesting

actually, all 3 theories have ton of evidence

[azure bay]

I thought, I'd see some new question or theory...
But it was just a scam bot 😢

[covert wyvern]

LMAO SORRY

maybe one day we'll get specific RL scam bots that try to lure you into free nitro with a silly theory

[azure bay]

👍

[real lantern]

"I just made this crazy cool timeline of the games, come check it out on www.definetlynotascam.com"

[azure bay]

I think I saw something like that here before

some overwhelming scheme about OG samsara room

[real lantern]

Someone could probably make like, a timeline using dates and some kind of other map linking games by important parts

[azure bay]

didn't you see a picture I made?

[real lantern]

Probably not

[real lantern]

Oh so you did exacly what i thought of😆

Well, there goes all my creative juice for today

[floral mauve]

I dont know if this has to do with art style of the initial game, but Harvey in Seasons looks a little bird

But apparently, after the hotel escape, it is a full grown parrot

[covert wyvern]

id 100% blame that on art style tbh? personally.

[floral mauve]

oh

k

[covert wyvern]

haha no no like

the green grey color scheme was already present?

if we are to go off harvey being an african grey in the 1900s theyd definitely b full grown right

[floral mauve]

I mean Harvey has been around near the lake most of the time as a full grown bird

why when Laura took care of it

it is a little bird

time travel sus

[covert wyvern]

haha maybe

I mean I could usher in the ability to shapeshift ?

but I doubt that's worth any merit

like it seems unlikely harvey shrank down to BABY FORM

so Laura will pick them instead?

[floral mauve]

I will see this as inherited tbh

Parrot has been in the Vanderboom family for generations

[covert wyvern]

ooh ye maybe.

perhaps we'll find harveys origins in the young laura game

yknow if that ever rolls around

[azure bay]

I wouldn't be so sure about it

In The Stars chapter of Roots Harvey leaves

[floral mauve]

me2

I am just saying it as a sort of passing

then

how did Laura get Harvey

wait

Where is Harvey

after Frank summoned it

my memory is not very clear

about that part

did Harvey stay in the mansion after Frank summoned it?

[azure bay]

.

[floral mauve]

oh

I didnt remember clearly

my bad

so it went to the Mill?

[azure bay]

It's actually a secret

[floral mauve]

or we are completely unknown

[floral mauve]

thats what the author of my translation work thought

[azure bay]

Harvey's timeline is messy

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

As messy as the one of Laura

[floral mauve]

but somehow

it becomes a baby bird

and stayed with Laura

[azure bay]

It was clearly a redesign. Laura's memories about her lake trip in newer games feature the bird we know and love

[floral mauve]

ah

okay

because I think it was featured in the Cave?

right?

[azure bay]

Exactly

[floral mauve]

then fuck

I guess

its simply art styple

[azure bay]

Why tho?

I mean why are u dissapointed?

[floral mauve]

because it would be a new thing

if Harvey can become young

that means its not a normal creature

and perhaps related to lake power and Elixir

I can come up with loads of new shit with this new approach

[azure bay]

Is delivering flowers and letters through decades not normal enough for you?

[floral mauve]

flowers?

well delivering letter can be explained by Aldous and Mill

[azure bay]

Seasons. The tree had no way to bloom in winter.

[floral mauve]

if Harvey normally stays with Aldous in the Mill

[floral mauve]

ah

that is outta control

winter in Seasons cannot be explained normally

[azure bay]

That's debatable tho

[azure bay]

What exactly does confuse you?

[floral mauve]

basically

ppl, especially you

saying that winter is a memory and it must be real

I wonder

if one person is delusional and seeing things (who cant differentiate reality and imagination), does that thing be apart of the memory?

I think the answer is certain

it will

[azure bay]

I disagree

Plus, builiding a machine by some complicated blueprints is far from seeing things

[floral mauve]

yes

but its in her mind

she thought

she built a machine

its like a dream

she can do anything

[azure bay]

I don't think so

[floral mauve]

the only objective proof for the seasons room

is Dale´s vision in Case 23

[azure bay]

You need to understand 1 thing

Memories are expected more or less reliable unless they are altered

And there is no reason to think that Laura's memory of the winter was altered before she entered it

I think she constructed the machine for real

Then entered one of her earlier memories

[floral mauve]

I am saying

if a person with mental diseases

what he thinks

what he was doing

[azure bay]

And relieved all of themto the moment of her journey starded

[floral mauve]

will be a part of the memories

especially

for a CS

[azure bay]

Your assumptions have no evidence to support them inside the games

Especially for a cs

[floral mauve]

it is

since

CS is mostly irrational

especially Laura´s CS

[azure bay]

The winter shows otherwise

[floral mauve]

hold up

DOES that

mean

Winter is CS´s memory

But CS itself is a black cube memory accord to RL universe

and samsara stage

I think we are on something

[azure bay]

That's oversimplified imo

[floral mauve]

but it is accurate

from Hotel and Paradise

[azure bay]

How does Paradise indicate that?

[floral mauve]

I always think

Caroline

CS

is a memory cube creature

she is not a walking corpse like Laura

[azure bay]

She's a ghost but it was never shown that she was made of memories

What's more even the guests can exist without their cubes

According to The Cave mural

[floral mauve]

it might be inside them

[azure bay]

In The Cave they were floating separately

[floral mauve]

em

ah

but they are still linked

if Mr Owl turned the black cube white

the guests can no longer attack

it actually proved

that

the black cube is the core

of CS

[azure bay]

Ok but how exactly does that contradict CS being able to enter cubes like Dale?

[floral mauve]

wha

what are you saying?

[azure bay]

Why can't CLaura enter her cubes like any other creature?

How would her link to them prevent it?

[floral mauve]

oh

Laura´s case is different

is much comlicated

I had several hypothesis linked with that

which i think you heard all of them before

(And rejected them mostly)

but I just want to say

Laura is different

[azure bay]

"because she's corrupted corpse" thing?

[floral mauve]

yes

it has to do with her CS

actually

that also supported

because

she was triggered when Aldous tries to fuck with the black cube

[azure bay]

I'm sure, she's not different. CS are so diverse and they all act mostly similarly

[floral mauve]

but none of them wants to go back to the corpse

not even William

or Laura

[azure bay]

That's not what she wants

[floral mauve]

thats why Laura CS is acting differently

[azure bay]

She wants to change the past

That's why

[floral mauve]

and her corpse is needed?

because she needs physical form?

its legit

flesh

[azure bay]

It's not like that

[floral mauve]

William is still able to steal body parts

[azure bay]

Flesh or no flesh, she messes with a different matter

She affects her state by altering events

[floral mauve]

also

does that mean

She used the corpse to create winter memory

[azure bay]

How?

[floral mauve]

idk how

memory

just you know

[azure bay]

Listen

[floral mauve]

witness somehting

then its in your head

she is in the corpse

Then she kinda made memories using the corpse so it can be in cube?

[azure bay]

I don't get your logic

Please start over

[floral mauve]

I assume CS cant form memories

[azure bay]

And act like you are talking to an idiot

[floral mauve]

it can only look back

like I said above

[floral mauve]

this

[azure bay]

A question

[floral mauve]

because how can a memory forms memory

[azure bay]

Why CS can't create their own memories?

And store them in themselves

[floral mauve]

where can they store them?

[azure bay]

Like any living crrature does

[floral mauve]

brain? or mind?

[floral mauve]

thats what I think of William and Caroline

they knew what they wanted

[azure bay]

Actually, CS have something like a brain

[floral mauve]

wha

[azure bay]

Otherwise Hoorn's book about their neuroimaging wouldn't make any sense

[floral mauve]

bruh

I dont know the twd lores very well

was it in tpw trailer

about CS´s neuroimaging?

[azure bay]

The book was in the gameplay trailer

It gave clues for the advent calendar

I guess I can explain

[floral mauve]

what if the book is about CS´s behaviour is focusing on the past and no memories been formed

you know

that book doesnt necessarily means CS has a brain, it might be explaining the behaviour

[azure bay]

What are memories IRL?

[floral mauve]

brain things

[azure bay]

They are physical, y'know

Neurons and electricity

Why can't CS emulate it?

The thing is, without forming new memories, CS wouldn't be able to adapt to anew situation.

[floral mauve]

did it adapt?

[azure bay]

William wouldn't be able to tie the grandchildren into his plan and act accordingly

[floral mauve]

and new situation?

its his mansion

he just remember the task

collect body parts

[azure bay]

Populated by new faces

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

@floral mauve new faces he communicated with

Speaking of Rose

another example of adaptivity is saving Leonard

and most importantly he recognizes Crow as his brother

who became asura after William became a CS

but if you want to hear my opinion

all I said is garbage

because it's overcomplicating things rather natural to assume

just like your "CS don't form memories" thing

everyone has memories

everyone makes a part of the same samsara system

everyone should produce new memories

I think the only reason why Laura decided to make a machine and start hopping the memories is that it was the only way to achieve her goals she was able to find

Returning to Harvey's timeline

she was killed by Laura in 1971

but was almost killed by Laura in the mill in 1972

If Harvey was alive in The Mill because of Laura releasing her in Seasons then she'd return to RL in 1964

If Harvey's death in Seasons wasn't real in the 1st place, she was likely released in 1971

Answering the question how Harvey got into Laura's possession, I reckon it was during childhood childhood by the lake

but the bird could be infiltrated into Laura's house much later

either gifted or adopted

[floral mauve]

Agree

I also see my idea too limited

and extreme

because I always see corruption and insane behaviour of CS is related to the pain that caused by memory corruption

but thats just my stereotype

ignore it

[azure bay]

I think memory doesn't get corrupted

It may be either bright or painful

[floral mauve]

but they are suffering

the CS

from what though

that is debatable

[azure bay]

I pretty much agree
The reason of that suffering is a different question tho

[floral mauve]

I originally thought its due to memories, maybe its because they dont have a complete memory, or they are unable to form new memory, or they are simply tortured by the universal law

all interpretations

exactly

[floral mauve]

it is also debatable

Laura's house thing

[azure bay]

I'm not arguing

I presented it as an alternative to a version I'd rather prefer

E.g. Harvey was adopted in Laura's childhood near the lake

However we don't really know if she grew there up

[floral mauve]

I think its related to Rose

or even hotel

during her stay

[floral mauve]

(Harvey be like, ah shit here we go again)

[azure bay]

What exactly stay?

[floral mauve]

idk

Room 6

Childhood Laura box

[azure bay]

Not sure if it's only about her childhood

Room 6 could be her room in 1969

Her exploring that room earlier is possible but less likely

Also that room could indeed belong to Owl (despite it being stupid)

[azure bay]

Can you elaborate?

[floral mauve]

oh

Damn

[floral mauve]

Idk my mind went randomly

[digital oriole]

speaking of Harvey, someone suggested that Frank might be the child of Emma and Harvey because Frank is apparently associated with the orange flower and (according to the person who suggested it) Harvey appeared next to an orange flower in Paradise, and in the episode Fertility the fence behind Emma was broken, possibly hinting that someone from Rusty Lake Hotel got through?

that's quite an interesting theory and it does explain how Emma got impregnated

[azure bay]

Theory is interesting yet far-fetched. Flowers are quite unobvious as hints.
Does it explain Emma's pregnancy? It's hard to tell. A parrot being a father is no less weird than a flower taking this role.

It's fair to admit that Harvey was likely an asura at the time but neither that confirms that kind of inbreeding possible

[digital oriole]

true, Emma's pregnancy remains a mystery then 😅

[marsh hemlock]

for now Harvey remains but a messanger

[covert wyvern]

Also Harvey being quite ancient

[marsh hemlock]

yes

Bro was chillin with mr owl in the 1800's

i also like to believe Emma getting pregnant from a flower foreshadows that Frank is special

[azure bay]

It's not enough for me to qualify as ancient. I'm voting for since 20k BC

[marsh hemlock]

or when the first cubes were made

maybe the first white cube is Harvey's birth

[azure bay]

we need someone to bring the black egg she hatched from

[marsh hemlock]

Thought he was male since his name

but that isn't relevant

[covert wyvern]

Harvey gender is yes

[marsh hemlock]

Its up to the viewer

[covert wyvern]

But you're right, it's not quite relevant

[marsh hemlock]

Harvey is Hange

😳😳

GUN!

I AM READY!

I love these quotes

from Mr Crow😭

[covert wyvern]

quotes aren't exactly theories though!

[azure bay]

For me, Harvey was male as an asura and female as an animal. I call Harvey in Paradise "she" by association

[covert wyvern]

but if you're on twitter t here's a bot that tweets RL text bits.

I think, however, to get back to theories, it would b cool to see the birth of harvey and it would b cool for them to just b floating around in 20K BC lmao.

[marsh hemlock]

sorry i forgot this the theory section

[marsh hemlock]

a premium game dedicated to harvey would be insane

for the plot

[covert wyvern]

I don't think I haven't really seen you around right! Be sure to go over the #✅｜rules if you got the time

[marsh hemlock]

yeah i just joined😭

[high talon]

Welcome to the server in this case [[hope the mods dont mind me posting a greeting here i dont feel like changing rooms rn]]

[covert wyvern]

nah nah, just make sure we don't stray off the beaten path any further!

[azure bay]

@marsh hemlock the only thing that makes me think that Harvey is a female bird since 1894 is her laying eggs.

I felt I had to elaborate further.

[floral mauve]

I call Harvey

it

Which is suitable in my opinion for most cases

[azure bay]

Not when you have to repeat it several times in the same paragraph

[marsh hemlock]

forgot about that

[floral mauve]

then dont repeat itBut, yeah its just my personal preference since it avoids controversy

plus, it is not really that an important matter which does not worth time arguing on it

only if someone comes up with an complete theory about Harvey's gender influences the entire universe

bruh

[azure bay]

Please don't tease

[floral mauve]

wha

[floral mauve]

so

Albert

knows his death

somehow

[ebon aspen]

Holy crap guys, already? XD

[floral mauve]

obviously

[floral mauve]

yes

bruh

I played it with nowhere

[covert wyvern]

the theory printer does not stop.

[floral mauve]

not knowing Frank killed him

but yes

[azure bay]

well, ||communication through time|| is confirmed. Thx TPW

[floral mauve]

what if

its like Assassin's creed style

[ebon aspen]

Considering the pc is a cube, could be a reference to all the memories shenanigans
But the "game" says its a dream

[floral mauve]

dive into memories

[floral mauve]

I dont know certain about that

[azure bay]

the computer side made it clear

[floral mauve]

but did we change anything though

if communication is effective

[ebon aspen]

It clearly was in diff times

[floral mauve]

did he avoid to be in the coffin

lmao

[ebon aspen]

Ig thats gonna be shown in the final game

[floral mauve]

hopefully

[ebon aspen]

Imagine dropping the whole lore in the demo

[floral mauve]

yes

thats what we are doing

also

hold up

wait

[ebon aspen]

And rose was inside that computer

[floral mauve]

who is the one controlling the computer

yes

[ebon aspen]

That puzzled me more

[floral mauve]

I thought its Albert

but then

I was

like

[ebon aspen]

Everything leads to albert

[floral mauve]

maybe Owl or Crow?

[covert wyvern]

SPoiler tags apply to theories to, today.

[floral mauve]

BRUH

thats too late

are you serious

[covert wyvern]

starting now.

[ebon aspen]

Aaah soorry

[floral mauve]

okay

[covert wyvern]

might work up a solution!

[floral mauve]

start deleting history messages

[azure bay]

I think ||the beta program on the cube computer is the experiment Albert asks Rose to help with in his letter||

[outer osprey]

Muting this channel!

[floral mauve]

||does that mean Rose knows prophecy just like Ida?||

[ebon aspen]

Yeah theres no much else that it could be

Wait a minute guys

The Past Within

[floral mauve]

smart

does that mean

we can spoiler discuss there?

[covert wyvern]

I uh

Okay so

mhm

it seems we've just

yes.

[static frost]

I play Cube Escape and I think Dale, Harvey and Bob at the theatre are the same person. Dale was in love with that dead woman. His mind create a character called 'Bob' for those times. (Because at the theatre, Bob went to bathroom and then that dark character appeared inside him.) Then he killed her and he regret it or hated himself and his mind created a new, dark personality, so he thought that someone else killed her. His trauma or mental illness is the reason for forgetting all of this. Then he started to therapy and his mind consider him as a detective researching this murder case. Mr. Owl is the therapist. He is not happy with remembering all of his past, so his mind shaped the therapist as a mysterious, dark character. And also the crow a.k.a 'time' is the same. I do not know about the rabbit but I guess lost of his family was his first trauma and the rabbit is probably someone he knew. Also there was a letter from 'Harvey' at his birthday, so I thought Harvey was really his friend at the past. Maybe Harvey had a relationship with that girl but Dale was in live with her, too. He could not handle it and he killed the girl and deeply blame his friend for her dead. So his mind made-up this.

[ebon aspen]

So, dale was a suspect in the murder himself was investigating?

[static frost]

I think it is not an investigation. All of it was a part of his therapy.

Investigation thing is made up by his mind during recovery because his mind is divided due to trauma. I am not sure if 'divide' is the best fit for the meaning, I'm sorry.

[azure bay]

How do Roots, Paradise, Hotel, Samsara Room fit into this?

[floral mauve]

Ah yes, the old multi personality theory, I haven’t seen it for almost a year

[upper crag]

Mr Owl t pose saving Harvey?

[outer osprey]

The dominant pose. Love to see it! XD

[ebon aspen]

yeah he does this to summon light beams, happens all the time

[high talon]

He's so extra

[floral mauve]

But apart from the first personality part, I do agree the possibility that Harvey might be Dale’s friend. However, it should be kept in mind that the memory of Birthday is biased, most of the RL related item may not be there before

[azure bay]

Altered*

Or Dale is biased

Memories can not be biased

[azure bay]

And even then I'd call him delusional

[floral mauve]

yes altered

sure

Its not my native language which I often think that they have the same meaning

but yes

[static frost]

I've just finished Cube series. Now I'm playing Hotel. Cube series made me think that Dale is the killer and has mental issues. I don't know the story in other games. I will update after I finish. For now, I still believe Dale is the killer and he is in a therapy.

[sage token]

I ❤️ Dale

[azure bay]

I may agree on Dale being the murderer. Not in the way you think him to be and with some further overcomplications.

The most he could do is pushing Laura towards suicide. After all, it was confirmed to be one in The Cave.

What I can't agree on, is Dale being Bob or at least everything being unreal.

Do you have evidence to back your beliefs?

[outer osprey]

#dale_deserved_better

[azure bay]

Hey! Let's not be harsh. It's postmodernism after all

The message intended by the author isn't more important than the one the reader actually gets

[floral mauve]

well everything is possible, Dale being the murder is totally viable, as long as there is no contradiction!
Enjoy the rest of the games!

[azure bay]

What do you call contradictions?

[floral mauve]

i am trying to be nice for a new person in the theory channel and preventing him/her/they away from the conventional mainstream idea so there are more interesting things to be formed

Like my old crappy flying fish god theory

[floral mauve]

logical reasoning

[azure bay]

Contradictions are logical reasoning?

[floral mauve]

no

if its not logical

its because its contradicting

Statement: Dale is Mr Rabbit
Dale is not Mr Rabbit since they both appeared in the same place and Mr Rabbit is D Eilander not D Vandermeer

simple demostration

hopefully we are still staying in the range of theories

[azure bay]

The thing is, the guy's vision isn't contradicting on its own

[floral mauve]

which is a good thing

let he/she/they carry on

[azure bay]

The next thing is not really related but demonstrative

2 Dales in the same place is not weird

Paradox's a good example

[floral mauve]

Because it contains logics behind it as well

its all in his head

[azure bay]

The logic created by some context

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

But the thing is, the context is usually a construct of our minds

[floral mauve]

yea

[azure bay]

I can imagine someone creating uncontradicting picture where Paradox and Bday are the same

It may be just over-complecated

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

And, who knows, may be not

[floral mauve]

but I know, we know

we dont like complicated thing

since that is a signal of overread

I managed to form a completely logical monster

flying fish god theory

it is logical

but obviously not correct and very traumatising

[sage token]

There's some kind of monster in The Lake right? I'm pretty sure there is...? Well yknow how The Lake might be sentient? What if it's not? What if it's the monster? The sacrifices and memories that are given to "The Lake" are actually consumed by the monster. The sentience, intelligence, and supernatural powers belong to the monster. It is the true mastermind.
I'm just throwing out an idea. :P

[floral mauve]

wha

I am confused

[floral mauve]

its full of monsters

[covert wyvern]

No I think Lynn makes a good point what if "the lake" isn't the lake, but the monster within

Haha do we know of more than one?

[floral mauve]

the monster within

[covert wyvern]

O GOD NEW GAME CONFIRMED

[floral mauve]

The giant bugs around the lake, giant oceanic creatures below the lake, Forest, CS

its full of monsters

[azure bay]

The memories are confirmed to stay

Laura's cubes, Caroline's cubes, the guests'cubes

[floral mauve]

which surprises me

And I had a theory about it before

full of interpretations

I thought that maybe each memory cube had way more content, but lake consumed most of it, so it becomes only a scene left

I know its full of flaws

but that explains why Lake still have left overs

for Crow to retrive them

[sage token]

I have the same question

[sage token]

I mean the physical cubes stay but there's a purpose for tossing them into to the lake. Maybe the essence get absorbed or something. Idk

[static frost]

The investigation make Dale go back to his past. Mr. Owl was directing him while he was remembering his past. Bob appeared as the dark person, we know that dark image was the killer in the first game. So I think Bob is the killer and also he is Harvey.
Harvey sent a birthday letter to Dale, so they were friends. Dale seems to feel so related to this murder. That is one of the reason I think Dale is the killer. So all these three people are the same person.
I believe Mr. Crow is the time. He is the symbol for his dark and unknown past (unknown, because he does not remember). Returning back to those times doesn't make him comfortable so also Mr. Owl is a mysterious image at the first but he is becoming a more trustable image during the time (he appears with Dale mask after a time).
I believe all of these is a therapy because there are unrealistic images (symbols for the other things) and also someone who directing him (Mr. Owl).
He thinks he is a detective because this is a symbol for looking for the pieces of his lost memories and getting all of them together. That is basically why I believe that investigation thing is not a real thing.
And yes, of course Dale deserved better but he is recovering as per my therapy. That is a good thing 😁

[azure bay]

How exactly Bob is Harvey?

What exactly depicts Dale being related to the murder?

According to consensus, Dale is about to become a great being. That's a lot better than being delusional and recovering after this.

Did you play all Cube Escape games? Notably, Arles and The Mill

[floral mauve]

“So all three people are the same person”
This is not a logical statement since the argument above didn’t provide any link between each other as far as I am concerned

[floral mauve]

Plz play roots and paradise if you can

[azure bay]

it's better to ask once more before coming with some conclusions

for example, I get his logic behind Dale & Bob

he thinks, CS is a single antagonist or something

[floral mauve]

ahhh I see

Its just

he didnt provide any path of interpretation of how all three are the same person

[sacred kindle]

Does being a corrupted soul mean you're dead, or does sudden and/or violent death lead to corruption?

[ebon aspen]

Neither
Youre no longer alive in the fullest if youre a cs, but you dont need to die in a bad manner to be one

Samsara stages be like

[sacred kindle]

hm, ok ok

it's just that Hotel led me to believe the latter option

[covert wyvern]

I wouldn't b surprised if a uh

Violent death would aid corruption of the soul?

Considering that that's a pretty shitty memory to have haha

[sacred kindle]

certainly

and it's also just unfair, made worse because they can't do anything about it. That would easily lead to malice and eventual corruption

[covert wyvern]

ye I suppose it probbly comes down to ur personality on the moment of murder, maybe

lmao

[sacred kindle]

but I'm also just a bit confused about that area of the lore. I understand Mr Crow and Mr Owl, but why are there just anthropomorphic animals? Is it symbolic? Why is there just a boar in Paradise? Why does Mr Rabbit actually appear in that game?

sorry, I just have so many questions

[ebon aspen]

Theyre on another samsara stage, asura

[sacred kindle]

ohhhh

of course

so the Boar was him before reincarnating. But what about Mr Rabbit's hand? I can buy into the white rabbit being him as well, but then you have the hand.

[ebon aspen]

The rabbits are a complicated matter
It prolly involves time travel and stuff, but maybe there are more than one mr rabbit, so no one really knows

Personally i gave up for now on this topic bc time travel is yet to be better explained, so im waiting for the next games to find more details

[sacred kindle]

I was thinking that his magician motif was actually real, so he kinda exists outside of logic

[floral mauve]

I would say something else about it

The hotel guests didnt turn into CS right after their death right?

they only turned into CS when Mr Owl messed with the memory cubes

black cubes

same case applies to Laura

However, for the living beings like Bob and Dale, and possibly Laura before her death

perhaps extreme mental disorder might trigger it

[azure bay]

The boar was who?

[azure bay]

I disagree on the guests sharing Laura's fate. Her CS existed with the cube separated while they were the one

[sacred kindle]

There was a Boar in Paradise. Fifth plague. I though it made sense that it was Mr Boar before reincarnating

[azure bay]

According to the consensus, the Eilanders were reborn as the guests.

David is confirmed, the rest is expected to share his fate

[sacred kindle]

Huh.... I guess that makes sense, although it's really odd that they'd include it

[azure bay]

There might be a ton of reasons. I choose to see it as a hint

[sacred kindle]

A hint?

[azure bay]

The boar appears during the plague where Gerard is the central character

Mr. Rabbit does so when the plot is built around David

[sacred kindle]

That's interesting, but if I can add to that, both of those chapters have them out of commission in one way or another

[floral mauve]

agree

[sacred kindle]

Gerard's heart literally stopped, and he woke up screaming "Boar." So maybe Gerard was in the process of reincarnation, hence it being feral

[floral mauve]

wha

[azure bay]

If I'm not mistaken the boar is seen before Gerard ate that burger

[floral mauve]

Machine will probably not make you enter another stage of samsara

[floral mauve]

according to the in logic, I think its saying that he needs machine to help him stay alive

[sacred kindle]

Huh. How'd I screw that up?

[azure bay]

Or it's me who remembers thing wrong

[floral mauve]

My grandfather has that on his heart as well but obviously not that big chunk of clock thing

[sacred kindle]

No, you're right. I don't know how I mixed it up

So maybe it was more of an omen

Either way, the connection is still there

I think the strongest connection is David and Mr Rabbit. Both do magic and do terrible things to their own bodies

[floral mauve]

frog in the pants?

[sacred kindle]

Yeh

Also the whole ice thing

[floral mauve]

thats not that terrible compares to self harm stabbing

[sacred kindle]

Nonono

I'm talking about the whole fly incident

[floral mauve]

oh

[sacred kindle]

Also freezing himself

[floral mauve]

I think there is no doubt

that David reincarnated into Mr Rabbit

[sacred kindle]

Yeah

The only thing I can think of for Ms Pheaant is the idea of sight

[floral mauve]

the thing is

reincarnation does not necessarily mean that they are the same

there is a theory

[sacred kindle]

I know I know

[floral mauve]

saying that they lost their memories after they reincarnated

only Mr Rabbit remembered later on

or managed to recover

[sacred kindle]

He's definitely the odd one out, especially with his CS design

[floral mauve]

otherwise why would they act like strangers to each other in Hotel

[floral mauve]

agree

dunno if you notice

he got his CS out before everyone else did

[sacred kindle]

Oh yeah

[floral mauve]

did you know the birthday easter egg

[sacred kindle]

Yeah, but I thought they got out around the same time

[floral mauve]

there is no Rabbit among the escaped guest

if you rewatch it

[sacred kindle]

Lemme go check

Hmm

But was it confirmed to be before? Maybe it was after

[floral mauve]

wdym

what confirmed

oh

I dont think so

since later on

the Rabbit also appeared below the lake

in Cave

[sacred kindle]

True

[floral mauve]

you can have your own thought as well

what do you think

[sacred kindle]

He was absorbed into a tree, so how is he in the lake bottom?

[floral mauve]

good question

nowhere had a theory about that

[sacred kindle]

Hm

[floral mauve]

but I personally dont have any explaination

however

we have some valuable points

why Mr Rabbit

as a CS

[sacred kindle]

Why did he murder?

[floral mauve]

uses gun rather than his hands

and why he got hurt by a single bullet

[sacred kindle]

Tbf, rabbits got weak lil paws

[floral mauve]

also I remembered this

the memory is altered

in reality

Dale's parents are dead

[sacred kindle]

Ohhhh

[floral mauve]

not being saved

[sacred kindle]

But still, why did he kill them?

[floral mauve]

so basically we should cut off the blue cube time change part

[floral mauve]

I believe Mr Rabbit's apology letter is true

He is sorry and he wanted to escape his current state by finding his past life substance

which most likely

to be the pistol

the part I told you above

is just my personal thought

many ppl have different views

some said that it might be other items since we dont know whats inside the box according to the real memory

not the blue cube altered one

[sacred kindle]

I can't see it as a gun.

[floral mauve]

?

[sacred kindle]

Even if he did take a gun, it'd probably just be for practical reasons. Mr Rabbit had no realtions to guns. The only one that does is Ms Pheasant

[floral mauve]

how do we know that

[sacred kindle]

Fair

[floral mauve]

Hotel doesnt mean its his entire life

it might be the end of Mr Rabbit's life

[sacred kindle]

That can't be. We saw how Harvey killed him

[floral mauve]

yes

but

if he managed to return to the human stage

[sacred kindle]

Ah

[floral mauve]

is he still considered to be dead?

like

the idea of death

is not very clear

[sacred kindle]

Hard to say.

[floral mauve]

I cant even tell whether Laura is dead

I can only say

Laura's personal or human form is dead

[sacred kindle]

And here's another question:

[floral mauve]

the thing that is unchanged

is soul

[sacred kindle]

HOW does Harvey fit into all of this? They existed way before the hotel did, as a bird. I assume that the light returns one to a previous stage, but how do they still exist as a bird?

[floral mauve]

Ah

[sacred kindle]

I know parrots live for a long time, but not over a century

[floral mauve]

mystery bird

we know very little of Harvey

ah nowhere

pls take over

[sacred kindle]

Yet they're the most recurring character

Lol

[floral mauve]

I gotta study

[sacred kindle]

Good luck

[floral mauve]

sorry

[sacred kindle]

Don't be sorry for being smart

[azure bay]

in late august, the devs announced the bird to hatch from a black egg, to be ancient and fulfil role of a guide

[sacred kindle]

Huh.

[azure bay]

The only guess based on any evidence that justifies the "ancient" title is about 22000yo

[sacred kindle]

What about their anthro form?

[azure bay]

during the same event RL said that Bat and Toad used to be humans before working on Owl

[sacred kindle]

I figured that because of Mr Owl and Crow

[azure bay]

I assume, Harvey would be enlightened with them but it's controversial

the most certain way to enlightenment is the elixir but elixir didn't work with an animal

so it's quite uncertain

[sacred kindle]

It doesn't help that I can't, for the life of me, figure out anyone's motives

[azure bay]

whose motives are you interested in?

I may say out loud some guesses

[sacred kindle]

Definitely Owl's. Mr Crow is more of an observer, and Harvey is just too much

[azure bay]

most of the time Crow and Harvey either work for Owl or do their own things

[sacred kindle]

Yeah

[azure bay]

some theorize Crow to secretely revolt against Owl but their evidence isn't compelling enough for me

[sacred kindle]

I don't really see him as having any loyalties. He just goes to those whose goals line up with his

[azure bay]

and for me Crow and Owl share the same problem

to a degree that they seem to be close friends in The Cave

The major motivation of Owl is finding a successor

to take his place of ruler of the lake

That was the core reason for murdering the guests

and for the whole Dale's arc

why the lake needs a ruler?

we can only guess

It needs memories

maybe without them it will do something as horrible as the plagues of Egypt

[floral mauve]

well thats not that horrible since it only influenced on the Eilanders

therefore, it should be something worse

otherwise its a joke

[vague imp]

I have not thought about this game that much to create theories but woah

[floral mauve]

dont worry it requires accumulation

if you want to discuss the plot, me and nowhere are usually around

[vague imp]

thats cool, I would but I am more of a VC talker than a text talker because I'm bad at saying things over text

you know with how tone can't be perceived and all that

[vague imp]

but that would be kind of cool to do at some point

[floral mauve]

ah dont worry about that

we are not here arguing and fighting

we try to be neutral and simply narrating

[vague imp]

oh sick

[vague imp]

yeah I get that I'm just really bad at text stuff

I don't really know why I've been trying to get better at it

but I'm going to guess that most people in this server don't typically like to VC so it's kind of off the table which sucks

[floral mauve]

yeah but think of the bright side

it can record our historical thoughts and can be traced back

sometimes I wrote something interesting in this channel and a few weeks later I can recall it here

[vague imp]

truee

[candid holly]

Hi fellow theorists!

You may remember our mind map project we revealed several months ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/rustylake/comments/ruxxyo/grand_rl_analysis_mind_map/

We're currently making the same for The Lake and really want to discuss here the lore behind it.
The things we hopefully discover today will be saved under our recent reddit post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/rustylake/comments/t19yxj/the_lake_grand_analysis_your_questions_and/

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What did really happen to Laura during her fishing trip on the lake?

[azure bay]

1969. Laura Vanderboom, a young depressed woman wins a trip to a mental institute on Rusty Lake. Some time during it she finds an abandoned fishing cabin on an isolated (not sure here, it changed its location on newer maps) island and gets to fishing.
      She caught out a fish which the ritual tree grew from. She caught out a drowned person (likely male) and for some reason stabbed them with a knife causing their corrupted soul to manifest. She performed a ritual seen on a note, summoned a corrupted soul and likely died.

However, she's somehow able to change her fate. Supposedly, her CS goes back in time (or memory) and takes another gem for the ritual. In that way Laura lives to see the lake flashbacks in the summer of Seasons.

What I can't understand:

• Why the heck did Laura stab the drowned?
• Why the heck she performed that damn ritual?
• Who could leave the note and why?

And most importantly

• For what reason did Mr. Owl let Laura win the contest?
• Why was changing the fate way easier than in Seasons? No machine , no fuel, no blue cube, nothing.

[ivory girder]

• Why was changing the fate way easier than in Seasons? No machine , no fuel, no blue cube, nothing.
  maybe it's because of the ritual? idk that's just an assumption

[covert wyvern]

I'm inclined to agree here; Magic is just easy

[azure bay]

The ritual seems to be the very object of changing

[ivory girder]

also after she manifested the corrupted soul, how the hell she didn't die there? the corrupted soul just uhh went away????

[azure bay]

You are talking about the drowned one?

[ivory girder]

yeah

[azure bay]

I guess, Laura's actions were not that extreme to completely wake up the soul

oh BTW!

some theorize that 2 CS are the same

[ivory girder]

hmmm it's possible

[azure bay]

like it took time for the drowned one to wake up

[ivory girder]

but there's also another corrupted soul in the acheivements right, is it related to the story or is it just a random corrupted soul wandering around the lake lmao

[azure bay]

no idea

Mr. Rabbit which I believe to be a CS did the same in Bday

but in The Lake it appeared as an easter egg

it could be the sole purpose

[ivory girder]

i mean a lot of stuff in this series appeared as an easter egg like harvey in paradise, the hotel in arles but yeah it maybe can also be just an easter egg

there's a lot of stuff that got added when the achievements are added like that suitcase in cave and as i mentioned hotel in arles sooooo it is kinda possible for that to be a hint at upcoming games i think

[azure bay]

for me CS and "The Story Continues" have different vibes

[ivory girder]

oh yeah it totally does

[azure bay]

but y'know what?

"Young Laura" is more similar to "Corrupted Soul" and no doubts it does tease an upcoming game

[ivory girder]

stuff that are possible to be hints at upcoming games from each cube escape's achievement i think:
seasons - young laura
lake - the cs
arles - hotel
case 23 - mugshot????
mill - the old crow
birthday - a drink at the theatre
cave - the story continues

hmmmmmmm

idk which acheivements in theatre and harvey's box can be hints so i don't add them on the list

[azure bay]

Not sure about Arles and The Mill. Case 23 and BD unlikely

[floral mauve]

Wait Mr rabbit appeared in The lake?

[azure bay]

I spoke about Bday

[floral mauve]

Ah okay

[azure bay]

Rabbit was watching from a distance before entering

[floral mauve]

Ah, That’s what you mean

Okay

[floral mauve]

Also Mr Deer in case 23

[azure bay]

that was different

[floral mauve]

Wha

[azure bay]

Mr. Deer was aggressive right away

[floral mauve]

Bruh

As if gun is not violent

Should I say Mr rabbit is less aggressive because he rang the door?

Politeness changes

[azure bay]

more intelligent, I'd say

[floral mauve]

Bruh

[azure bay]

Does anyone else have something to say about this?

[floral mauve]

It is also notable that the concept in The lake rarely appear in the later on game

except same elements obviously

but not the ritual

the later on ritual is mostly related to Elixir and sacrifice ritual

here, the sacrifice is....fish?

[worn viper]

• For what reason did Mr. Owl let Laura win the contest?
  I think that MAYBE this has something to do with fact that Laura was a re-incarnation of William and that she was suffering from depression, which why she chose to spend some time alone near the lake and filled up the form to win tickets to Rusty lake.
  William had died after drinking the elixir while his brother, Aldous survived.
  Yk how Mr. Owl and some other characters who've elevated to a higher form of being often say, "Your memories belong to the lake." to various characters throughout the series?
  Maybe, it's just that in the race of gaining immortality by elevating to a higher form of being, those who are left behind (like William and Frank) and are not able to transform to that state are supposed to be used for their memories which have to be extracted in form of cubes in order to prevent the lake from giving rise to plagues.

2nd reason: Laura Vanderboom was suffering from depression, which means that she had many NEGATIVE memories hat could be extracted from her in the form of black cubes and then be given to the lake

[floral mauve]

I dont think gaining immortality is the current goal of Owl

[worn viper]

William had dies but re incarnated
so he kinda tried to escape his fate

[floral mauve]

even though he mentioned the full Elixir

[worn viper]

I think the immortality is granted for a purpose
it's given to those people whom the lake chooses to provide it with memories

[floral mauve]

the soul does, but not William

the soul is no longer William

its Laura

now, its CS

[worn viper]

Soul remains the same
only the body changes

[floral mauve]

yes

but the soul is no longer behaving like William

since revival doesnt seem to be a reliable thing in RL

[azure bay]

1. Well, everyone is someone's reincarnation yet not everyone is depressed.

2. I think any memories would do. Humans could be just more numerous and weak.

[worn viper]

I just added a 2nd reason in the above text I had typed

can you guys maybe read it and tell me what you think?

[floral mauve]

agree

The lake wants any fresh memory

the white is the best memory

since the black might cause corruption

[azure bay]

Yet they waited for another 2-3 years before finally taking her memories

[floral mauve]

also, its hard to say what do they mean by fresh

fresh since its extraction?

[worn viper]

maybe they were just waiting for her to commit suicide, so that they don't have to kill her themselves?

[floral mauve]

well well here we go again

her suicide or murder

[azure bay]

and what is the reason behind her trip?

[floral mauve]

mental health and free trip

[azure bay]

for Owl

[floral mauve]

in Laura's perspective its very simple

but in Owl's perspective

Also

He referred Laura as

The woman

[worn viper]

she was just depressed and wanted to be alone for some while
there are tons of theory vids on yt about that
she went there to cure her depression but instead returned feeling more depressed than before and finally committed suicide

[floral mauve]

I love seeing nowhere been educated

[floral mauve]

does that mean he pick the woman randomly

[azure bay]

1. can you share the vids?

2. That's the result. Was it the reason behind Owl's actions?

[floral mauve]

which sounds wrong but its interesting

a sets of coincidence made those two characters linked together, Dale and Laura

and Bob perhaps

[azure bay]

The old looking book implies they knew who she is for a long time

[floral mauve]

yea

but did it mark Laura

and Dale

its simply two ppl which can be vague prophecy

thats very RL

Fate

[azure bay]

Not sure about Dale but they kept an eye on Laura's lineage

[floral mauve]

Rabbit goes blasting

also

I had a new thought

very new that I am scared of

should I share this

since it is no longer focusing on The lake

[azure bay]

we are speaking of Laura. There was her family tree.

[azure bay]

We kinda do

[floral mauve]

I know

I will send it to you in the other way

continue

[worn viper]

well idk bout the others but I believe that the Mr. Crow and Mr. Owl had been planning to extract her memories because she had many negative memories and was suffering from depression. They knew that William had re-incarnated himself with the help of rose and they just didn't want him to escape his fate. (Because srsly, it's like everyone who visits the lake is either blessed with a higher form of being to care for the lake by providing it with memories or dies and is used for the extraction of memories. You're trapped and are bound to serve the lake once you visit there.)

So, they let Laura win the trip and during that trip she performed some ritual and had an encounter with a corrupted soul while fishing and began having negative visions including those of corrupted souls killing her. These affected her deeply and when she felt like she was just done with the world, she commited suicide. So it was kinda like Mr.Owl and crow had provoked her to commit suicide so as to extract her memories for the lake.

aight

[worn viper]

I'll try and search them up again. It's been quite a while since I watched them and haven't saved them anywhere lol.

[azure bay]

they needed her memories to make the elixir

[worn viper]

that also brings me to the question,
Why did Mr. owl choose Dale Vandermeer as the guardian of the lake in Paradox? Like everything he does with dale is so confusing. It's somewhat like a loop and you can't find out where it begins from.

Did Mr. Owl decide that dale was THE ONE after he met him through him investigating Laura's case and then changed his memories and made traumatic incidences happen in his past as per his needs or Dale was always meant to be the new the guardian from the moment he was born and Mr. Owl could perceive it through some supernatural ability he might've gotten when he elevated to his higher form?

[azure bay]

I'll answer in DM. For now let's rather stick to The Lake

[worn viper]

when did they show that the've used Laura's memories to create the elixir rather than giving em to the lake

[azure bay]

The Cave

Laura's cubes just like the golden one bare elixir insignia

in the book that is

[worn viper]

didn't they extract the remains of the elixir from Frank's dog's waste?

[floral mauve]

also, who dropped the blue cube in the cave

[floral mauve]

thats probably not enough for eternal

[azure bay]

it was an extract for them. The golden cube was for Dale

[floral mauve]

yep

[worn viper]

but whyyyyyy

why does dale need a golden cube

[floral mauve]

As a sign of the deva in my opinion

[azure bay]

Ows saw a prophecy in Hotel

[worn viper]

like I remember that dale walked to the elevator with a golden cube in his hand

[floral mauve]

it is debatable whether golden cube is the Full Elixir nor deva

[floral mauve]

yes

In his mind

in Cave

Aldous passed it to him

[azure bay]

I'm pretty sure about the cube being some form of elixir. It's created mostly in the same way Caroline did

[floral mauve]

while Dale still seem to be in his mind and start sleep walking

[azure bay]

and elixir insignia

[floral mauve]

also

I doubt Dale's physical form is deva

I think his physical strength is no differ than asura

deer head

[worn viper]

welllllll
deva is actually the highest immortal form of being (form of a god or demigod) one can achieve in the cycle of life
it's a word from my native language lol
the golden cubes are created by combining rest of the 3 cubes and are a key to the past and the future as per the games. Not objects that grant a longer life

[floral mauve]

deva doesnt necessarily mean longer life in RL

It might mean more strength to do something

like with more power

[floral mauve]

Elixir in Asura form can do the same

just consistantly drinking it

[worn viper]

aight
deva is a sanskrit word
Hindi is my native language and it's a combination of urdu, sanskrit and a few other rarely used words from other languages
One of the synonyms of deva you'll come across is "Amar"
amar means immortal
the word deva itself is used very often in my language to refer to gods

[floral mauve]

well the devs dont adopt every thing

they are dutch

[worn viper]

Asuras, in Indian mythology and my native language are basically devas who turned into bad guys because they began lying or priding themselves too much on the powers granted to them

[floral mauve]

yes

thats why I say physical strength they might be the same

but in certain magical way

idk

they might be different

[worn viper]

welllll
I don't think someone who's an asura would be chosen as the new guardian of the lake

[floral mauve]

Caroline, Owl

next probably be Dale

The Lake granted them Elixir I believe

[worn viper]

because as per various stories in Hindu mythology, asuras have often ended up being killed or cursed by the devas

[floral mauve]

which enlightened

[floral mauve]

as I said, the devs only adopt the idea of six stages and not necessairly every thing that deva against asura stuff

or CS is hungry like ghost

preta

naraka is not Forest neither

in Hindi

but in RL

it is

[worn viper]

Actually
Caroline was a pret प्रेत
the corrupted souls are often referred to as pret in the series

[floral mauve]

no

she was human

as guardian of the lake

then she died and the ten plagues

[worn viper]

but she'd become a corrupted soul who combined with jakob to elevate to the form of Mr.Owl

[floral mauve]

yes

thats after her death

it is likely

that

her absense triggered the ten plagues

but it requires more evidence

The dev didnt answer this question

I asked Robin last time

[worn viper]

I'm just tryna say that corrupted souls are pretas

phantoms

[floral mauve]

yes

[worn viper]

hungry ghosts

[floral mauve]

I think I stated it clear enough

[floral mauve]

.

[worn viper]

you said no to it

[floral mauve]

they arent always hungry

they are suffering

probably

but not hungry and greedy

I said no because she was in human form when she studies about the cubes and Elixir

and probably the lake

likely feeding the memories

to the lake

[errant comet]

If Mr Owl and Mr crow turned into anthropomorphic, shouldnt the dog do the same aswell

[azure bay]

I think animals aren't conscious enough to be enlightened

humans are

[outer osprey]

I think it was just a normal dog. Well, until it became immortal.

[errant comet]

hmm possible but it became immortal?

[azure bay]

I guess. it's the minimal effect of the elixir

[errant comet]

but it drank the elixir?

[azure bay]

no doubt it did

[errant comet]

wdym

[azure bay]

otherwise Crow wouldn't be extracting elixir from its body

[errant comet]

but we saw it drink it in roots?

[outer osprey]

It DID drink it, there is no doubt about it!

the question is if it became enlightened, or just immortal.

[azure bay]

I'm sure it's just immortal

[outer osprey]

Me too, unless a game comes out that proves the opposite.

[errant comet]

does everything that is enlightened turn anthropomorphic? If so mr boar and others would also be enlightened

[azure bay]

have you played Paradise?

[errant comet]

yeah

I played all games

[azure bay]

according to the consensus, Eilanders got enlightened and reborn as the guests

[errant comet]

but dont you need the elixir to become enlightened? were they the original creators of the elixir than?

[azure bay]

They asked the Lake for enlightenment

and maybe it provided some form of elixir

[errant comet]

so the sacrifises enlightened thhem?

[azure bay]

in some way. Not sure if directly

[outer osprey]

They did get enlightened, but their son was truly enlightened when he became Mr. Owl.

If I remember right.

[azure bay]

I see no difference between him and the guests besides him remembering his past

[outer osprey]

Well, I think Mr. Owl got to control the lake or something?

[azure bay]

I don't think enlightenment is about it

[errant comet]

So than why did he, jacob become mr owl and get enlighened? Did his mom give him the enlightment?

couse he was a secrifese-ee not a sacrife-er

[azure bay]

His mom actually created the elixir

[errant comet]

but than she died

and jacob didnt drink it

[azure bay]

there was 2 separate rituals

Eilanders sacrificed Jacob and were supposedly enlightened

But Caroline's CS caught Jacob's soul, created a conceptual elixir and performed another ritual sacrificing herself in some way

[errant comet]

so jacob and his mom combined to create the elixir and turned him into mr owl?

[azure bay]

pretty much yeah

[outer osprey]

Now that I think about it, everyone who has drunk the elixir and became immortal and/or enlightened were humans first, except the dog...

Aldus became Mr. Crow, Jacob became Mr. Owl... They were both humans.

[errant comet]

And the ellienders to guestd

[outer osprey]

Yep!

I guess only entities who were humans first become enlightened.

[errant comet]

Yes

[outer osprey]

I do have another question that came up. William died and became a corrupted soul, right? Why didn't James become a corrupted soul too? I think he just died.

[errant comet]

So do every death by elixir turn into a corrupt soul

[azure bay]

corrupted*