🤔｜theories

[high talon]

Who knows at this point lol?

[daring spear]

That is a good theory gonna keep it in my brain for a while .

[high talon]

Ty lmao

[daring spear]

Dunno much but I always thought Harvey was a female becuz Harvey lays eggs .

" And we're back where it all began ,
Harvey's Egg "

[high talon]

True but again everyone theories are valid

[astral frost]

I think that being transgender is not an important theme for the characters in RL yet

Since you can switch your gender and personality when you reborn

For example, William becomes Laura

[late canyon]

Gender switching we've seen,but for personality there is no evidence

[astral frost]

Well, Laura isn't William at all

Even if it seems that she got some old memories in her mind

I must admit that we don't know so much about William

[late canyon]

True hence what I said

[astral frost]

Yep

[late canyon]

They could be very much alike

Only Aldous would know

[azure bay]

1. Grandpa is a well known drinker, so gin tonic recipe isn't something odd for him

2. He could just be the obly person cool enough to take the child seriously. Not hearing Dale telling family about Rabbit doesn't mean he didn't tell. Precedent: in Case 23 we don't herr Dale asking corrupted Bob for menories yet Bob in TWD recalls it.

The globe metaphorically depicts Dale's lifepath in ch2 & the one of Laura's in ch1

Gender is random on rebirth, according to samsara. Just saying.

[high talon]

My mind went to pokemon when u said that lmao

[azure bay]

Don't you have a YT channel?

[late canyon]

Not me, @azure bay

[azure bay]

Just a coincidence then, nevermind

[daring spear]

@azure bay , comes up with the best explanations in this channel .

And thnx for explaining

[azure bay]

np

[floral mauve]

Maybe they are in the same era and have the same taste for the music at that time？

Speaking of the gender, I don’t think Harvey shares the same case as Laura

Since Laura has been reincarnated through the samsara completely after death

Whereas Harvey, I bet he still has all of his memories as an employee in the hotel

So it is reasonable for William switching to Laura as a female since samsara resetting is random after death

Well Harvey is kinda unknown since we don’t know his human form

We can’t just interpret his asura form to get the conclusion that he was a male or female

Anyway, this transgender thing is not important tbh, just the context

[high talon]

Maybe who knows lmao either way gonna ask smth but in another chat bcs idk if it will go under "theories" really

[azure bay]

We don't know IF the memories were preserved.

Then I think it's more fair than not to judge Harvey by his suit. In 19th century gender roles were pretty strong

?

[high talon]

Oh wait nv i read that you @ me nv sorry lol

[floral mauve]

According to his human action I believe he does

[azure bay]

What exactly actions

[floral mauve]

Delivery letter

Watch Laura

However, there is something wrong

Because if I know what is it like to be an asura

I won’t let anyone trap me in a cage

All the time

[azure bay]

How exactly letter delivery is on topic?

[floral mauve]

Emma

[azure bay]

I know what you are talking about

I don't get how it proves anything

[floral mauve]

He understands a complex action

Which is beyond animal

[azure bay]

Some parrot species are smart

[floral mauve]

Well let’s do it reversely

Find some things that show that Harvey isn’t a usual parrot

[azure bay]

Only possible time travel

[floral mauve]

Yes

Then yes

Harvey is a regular parrot

Case closed

Induction complete

[azure bay]

Why wouldn't Harvey be trained by Owl & use Owl's magic without past memories?

[floral mauve]

I doubt he can use Owl magic

Mr Owl use it with him

For example, teleport him after 30 years

Idk

[azure bay]

I mean Owl could help Harvey time travel

[floral mauve]

Yes

That

So that’s more clear

Isn’t it

The conclusion: Harvey is a normal parrot trained by Mr Owl with no past since it got erased or forgotten so

[azure bay]

Is that you following my ideas? (no sarcasm, etc?)

[floral mauve]

Yes

It’s the conclusion

By getting all the induction together

[azure bay]

Then I need you to take another thing into consideration

[hexed bough]

but what about Harvey's "human" form?

[floral mauve]

Where

[hexed bough]

i mean

[floral mauve]

Did you see him in human form

[hexed bough]

nono i mean

w suit

parrot

[azure bay]

We know nothing

[floral mauve]

That’s asura form

[hexed bough]

yeah that

asura form

sorry i forgot the name asura uhm

[floral mauve]

He died as the theorists assumed

With previous discussions

[hexed bough]

oh okay

[floral mauve]

So basically

[hexed bough]

i didn't see it,, I'm new here so there's a lot on this channel

[floral mauve]

He got killed by the escaped corrupted guests

And then Mr Owl somehow revived him

But devolved

In animal form

[hexed bough]

i see

[floral mauve]

That’s two level down straight

[azure bay]

His body was vaguely seen for a fration of second

[floral mauve]

According to the previous examples of all enlightenment

He must be in human form to enlighten

So technically yes

Harvey has a human form

But we know nothing about it

[hexed bough]

wait so, technically he drank the elixir?- /gen

[floral mauve]

There are many ways to get enlightened

[hexed bough]

oh

[floral mauve]

Not necessarily elixir

[azure bay]

@floral mauve I'm not sure if all asuras have human forms

[floral mauve]

Some are also born as asura as well

After death

Go through samsara

[floral mauve]

So it is possible

I agree

But they should have all six forms since it’s a loop

Like everyone

[azure bay]

Returning to this

In my opinion you make a mistake

[floral mauve]

Erased might not be a proper word here

[azure bay]

Not that

[floral mauve]

Normal parrot

[azure bay]

You are taking my arguments & throw away the ones yours

While your previous conclusions are still possible

[floral mauve]

If I find contradictions, there is no point of having them

That’s called convinced

[azure bay]

I was there just to present an alternative.

Harvey COULD have his memories forgotten

Yet he still might have not

[floral mauve]

I suddenly realized that

[azure bay]

He could continue remembering past

[floral mauve]

I can’t find an evidence of Harvey in parrot form showing that He preserved memory of the the asura

That’s like proving yourself aren’t crazy in a asylum

[floral mauve]

He behaves just like a regular bird in Laura’s house except his sound

That’s abnormal

[vague imp]

Am I the only one who thinks that Harvey's human form...is actually a child's body??

I mean....he looks too innocent and so simple(??) in the story and that makes think that he is a child in human form. And the reason i think that is because of his action. There are not so bad as mr owl's or crow's. And after all....yes he killed the guests in hotel but he did because he took orders from Mr owl. So....for me..... Harvey is like a child who lost his way and mr owl just picked him up and made him his "puppet"

sorry for my English btw :<

[floral mauve]

A child brutally murdered five animal like human thing and take their organs for cooking

Yes

[azure bay]

parrots are known for mimicking sounds

[floral mauve]

_innocent _

[azure bay]

He wasn't childish, he's just short. Just like Bat

[floral mauve]

Yes that’s why it is still reasonable

[vague imp]

As i said....he took orders from mr owl and mr crow. Its like he couldn't do anything else but trust them because they aren the only people he knows and he can trust....

[hexed bough]

i mean, the asura form is based on his human form right? so his body technically needed to be a child body, i might be wrong tho

[floral mauve]

Fundamental morality still exists somehow

[azure bay]

Not necessarily

[hexed bough]

besides the theory of him being born in hid asura form

his

[floral mauve]

Not really

[vague imp]

Like....a father and child. A little child with no knowledge of bad or good or danger...will do anything his father tell him and he will follow his orders...

[hexed bough]

ok imma stop saying shit cuz now i think yall think I'm dumb.

[floral mauve]

As I mentioned sometimes you are born to be asura

[covert wyvern]

if anyones being hostile about other theories,

they can most definitely expect a mute.

no one is dumb here.

[vague imp]

Because he is the only person he knows and can trust

[floral mauve]

Then that’s not innocent, it’s just been manipulated

[hexed bough]

wait nono it's just because i don't know much things about rusty lake so I'll mostly say something wrong and trigger other people,,

[covert wyvern]

if they feel trigger that's their fault

[vague imp]

When i mean innocent i mean a child's innocence

[covert wyvern]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[floral mauve]

Samsara is funny, because you can be born in any stage of the six form depending on your karma

Of your previous life

[azure bay]

@vague imp I think a child wouldn't wear a suit. That would be more like a concierge uniform

[floral mauve]

So an asura is still possible to be born directly without promoting from the human form

[azure bay]

It makes Harvey a butler

Or how do they call that high post in hotel service?

[vague imp]

But....animal years of life and age aren't different from humans???

[azure bay]

These are not animals

[floral mauve]

That’s defined by humans

Don’t fall into logic traps

[azure bay]

They are very powerful magical creatures that just resemble animals

[vague imp]

Like elves?

[azure bay]

Maybe

At least I guess they are magical

As asuras in mythology are

[floral mauve]

But isn’t he or she talking about animal?

Then they aren’t mythical

[azure bay]

I thought it was about Harveys age & his right to take a high post

[floral mauve]

Oh

Nvm

[azure bay]

@vague imp was it?

[floral mauve]

But I doubt age would change the height in asura form

[vague imp]

Yep

[floral mauve]

It’s relatively fixed

[hexed bough]

they don't need to be born as a child do they?,, /gen

[floral mauve]

Exactly

[hexed bough]

oh okay

[vague imp]

Like if they are magical creatures... can't they change how they look like even in age???

[floral mauve]

According to Mr Owl

For years

His asura form didn’t change

[azure bay]

We know nothing about powers like that

[floral mauve]

Even when he is out of elixir and return it back to asura

[vague imp]

For example mr crow as human is like an 60+ year old man (as i see him) and in creature form he looks like he is 38+ (as i see him)

[floral mauve]

In asura form, age isn’t a thing tbh

[azure bay]

I'm not sure here. I guess, young owls & old ones could look pretty similar

[floral mauve]

They seem to maintain the physical form at its best

Climbing mountains or build a hotel

[vague imp]

Out of context comment. I just bought paradise. I hope its good :D

[azure bay]

Honestly, Boar looked pretty old

According to devs, he was 54

[vague imp]

And pretty scary as a corrupted soul

[azure bay]

They are all disturbing

[floral mauve]

That’s the problem, we haven’t seen a small asura before

Maybe all the guests were looking like this when they were reincarnated

[azure bay]

& we probably won't

[floral mauve]

Fixed looking

[hexed bough]

wait i have a question

[azure bay]

Damn... I really want a game about asuras

[floral mauve]

This is a completely clueless area

[azure bay]

hm?

[vague imp]

Rusty lake paradise isn't about the corrupted soul???

[hexed bough]

is the guests from rusty lake hotel related to eilander (i think that's how to write) family?

[azure bay]

There is one but mostly humans

[vague imp]

I haven't played it yet but for what i have read....i read something about a soul

[floral mauve]

It’s about another family

[floral mauve]

You missed loads of stuff

[hexed bough]

thx

[floral mauve]

And I recommend @vague imp not to see the stuff I am gonna say since it’s spoiler

[azure bay]

Use spoiler tags

|| ||

[floral mauve]

This channel is spoiler basically

[azure bay]

Just for Melon

[floral mauve]

Bruh

Ok

[hexed bough]

melon didn't play paradise

[vague imp]

Im ok with spoilers :D

[azure bay]

I'm not ok with you being ok with spoilers

[vague imp]

Why :(

[vague imp]

No i just bought it with the white door and Milo

[hexed bough]

o

[azure bay]

I'd prefer everyone having genuine experience °ω°

[vague imp]

Ok i will play it and then start the spoilers :D

[floral mauve]

||The Eilanders were all in masks in the end of Paradise and trying to sacrifice Jakob to receive enlightenment. Then, in hotel, we have seen five guests in Asura form and Mr Owl seems to know them. In addition, the enlightenment of the human form is Asura form for sure, which might give us a clear indication that the Eilanders have achieved their dreams of being enlightened by sacrificing Jakob.||

[hexed bough]

oh

[azure bay]

Imo revelations at the right moment are so freaking pleasant

[floral mauve]

||Plus, they have plenty of similarites, such as David Eilander is confirmed in Paradox as Mr Rabbit the magician in corrupted soul form||

so yeah

relatable

[hexed bough]

oooh

thx!

[azure bay]

||Rabbit being CS in Bday is just a theory. Some think that he's human wearing mask||

[floral mauve]

still possible yes

I agree

[azure bay]

But I prefer the former ))))))

[vague imp]

Btw i have a question about rabbit

[floral mauve]

but the mask is exactly the same though

[floral mauve]

stop reading spoilerssss

[azure bay]

Same as what?

[vague imp]

Why in hotel his skin was brown and white (he was colorful anyway) and in birthday and paradox his skin was white??

[azure bay]

These are different incarnations

Rabbit died & changed his form since then at least once

[floral mauve]

hotel white rabbit cs and rabbit in birthday

[hexed bough]

wait is laura a reincarnation?

[azure bay]

Everyone is constantly being reborn

[floral mauve]

have you played roots

[vague imp]

Laura is basically and old man, right??

[hexed bough]

yes thx

[floral mauve]

no

[azure bay]

Except for personality, yes

[floral mauve]

rebirth is different

its like resetting

and resetting

over and over again

[azure bay]

👆

[hexed bough]

huh

[azure bay]

At least most of the time

Owl remembers his past

So does Crow

[hexed bough]

funny how i played and watched someone playing but i still didn't understand

[azure bay]

Guests seem not

[floral mauve]

thats why I see elixir as an unnatural thing

[azure bay]

Laura seems not. Yet she has William's memories somewhere deep

[floral mauve]

its an artificial stuff to escape the rule of Samsara

or twist the setting of samsara

mostly, you can only switch forms after you die

in other life

||whereas Eilanders did it by reincarnation which is like death but an guranteed rebirth in Asura form||

no melon dont

[hexed bough]

melon pls don't

[vague imp]

Guests only know who they are and the reason they are there (I mean in hotel) but they don't remember how they started....?

For example, mr rabbit goes to hotel to show his magic tricks, mrs pheasant wants to show her acting skill, mr deer wants to study the lake etc....

[hexed bough]

.

who's- wait no nvm

[floral mauve]

||not reborn immediatly though since the guests are not the same age eventhough they tecnically died in the same time||

[hexed bough]

deer wanted to study the lake?

[vague imp]

Yeah i think

[floral mauve]

yes

[vague imp]

Let me check it a moment

[hexed bough]

oh

[vague imp]

I only remember rabbit and pheasant very well

[azure bay]

I don't think they went there because of recalling smth. Rather because Owl gathered them there

[floral mauve]

ambassador is on his vacation with drugs and bulimia

[azure bay]

Pigeon was researchin cube extraction

Deer was researching the lake

[vague imp]

Yeah he studies the lake

[floral mauve]

I actually havent done too much detailled research on Mr Deer

[vague imp]

That's why he has the bucket in his window

He takes water from the lake

[azure bay]

He was interested in the hotel & the lake

[floral mauve]

@azure bay did he research the lake just to see the construction of the builidng or water resource

something

idk

geography

related stuff

[azure bay]

I have no idea about his goals

[floral mauve]

shuuuuu

[hexed bough]

yeah i remembered

pls it was genuine

[covert wyvern]

sharing first languages is fine, talking in them, however, is what gets you intro trouble

[vague imp]

And mrs pigeon studies the cubes

[azure bay]

Most importantly ways to extract them

[vague imp]

That's also the reason of the moving circle thing with the cubes

[floral mauve]

by torturing animal

which is mainly perhaps black cube?

[azure bay]

By torturing... A thing?

I'm pretty confused about that birb

[floral mauve]

I think its a bird

[vague imp]

And mr boar is there for... mental issues????

[floral mauve]

almost certain

[floral mauve]

not mental

physical

as well

bulimia

[vague imp]

Oh...

[azure bay]

Addiction is rather mental

[floral mauve]

plus drug addition and pressure

[hexed bough]

i forgot what's bulimia

[floral mauve]

you eat a lot

[hexed bough]

let me check

.

oh yeah

[floral mauve]

then puke or feel terrible after

[hoary lichen]

Ok this isn’t a theory at all it’s just more of a thought I had but I have to share it

Ms Pheasant is the only guest that willingly dies

And her and Mr Rabbit are the only ones that appear in other games in their enlightened forms

She also references Laura’s suicide in Theater with her neck cutting open

And her gun appears in Birthday with it supposedly being important

So like

My idea

Is that her and Mr Rabbit are for some reason more important than the other guests

Oh and Mr Deer also appears in other games but his connection is already known to be with Albert and stuff

So idk I feel that something is up with her

Also does anyone know or have an idea of why she and Mr Rabbit had to be killed in Hotel?

That’s something I never understood

[hexed bough]

i mean,, everyone needs to be killed in hotel, i think

[floral mauve]

Apparently the thing they have in common is that they want to balance their past

I think both of them want to escape the corrupted form

[floral mauve]

Doubt

[azure bay]

1. Rabbit is unlikely to be still enlightened during Bday. If he were, he wouldn't kill anyone
2. Pheasant's gun in Bday is somehow connected to Rabbit. Apparently, it's a substance of his past life & his goal.
3. Albert & Mr. Deer are NOT related. They both lived at the same time.

[hoary lichen]

I mean related as in the whole deer thing

Lol

And I said enlighten because I didn’t know what word to say this whole reincarnation thing is hard

Also another thing that isn’t really a full on theory or a casual observation but I just realized that in Hotel in the route you take to get all of the stars you have to make Mr Boar eat last, coincidentally making him the guest that eats the most food

Idk if that was intentional but if it was that was neat

[floral mauve]

I assume you mean hotel?

[hoary lichen]

Oh yeah lmao

My bad

[daring spear]

Why the hell were we talking about Harvey's gender and form again ?

[daring spear]

In Cube Escape : The Birthday , when I put the code of 1894 in the snow globe , I saw Mr.Owl and Harvey and thought like Mr.Owl must be older than him simply because I thought he is more knowledgeable than Harvey . Harvey looked like he is just another Asura working under Mr.Owl but the best at his job falling second only to Mr.Crow . I don't know why but it was the kind of image I got after seeing that shot .

[daring spear]

I got to say David always liked to show magic to us right ? I mean he puked frogs into his pants , Elizabeth used makeup in one of the plagues ( makeup and acting are closely intertwined right guys (´；ω；｀) ? ) Nicholas was obsessed with the lake ( or so I think ) , meanwhile all kinds of experiments were done by Margaret and meanwhile the uncle ( forgot his name ) liked to eat .

So isn't it somewhat close connection .

[daring spear]

Idk but I first time playing hotel was after paradise and roots . So like I thought Mr.Boar and the uncle of Jacob were related . So I kind of like thought the uncle made Jacob prepare food for him and In the end of the day , he got his revenge on him by eating him . Something like that and it's cliché but I just kind of instinctively thought it . Or there was another theory that they could get one specific ingredient for one meal and Harvey would see the menu and go to guest's room where he could get the meal that suits the combination .

Also I can say 1 thing with full confidence to you all .
( Warning ⚠️ : You cannot refute fact )

|| Harvey is a friendly character that helps us players ||

[hexed bough]

i think someone pointed it here,, oh wait i think that was me

i think it started w me asking about Harvey's asura form then melon talking about they thought Harvey could be a child

[azure bay]

That does make sense yet we were talking about asuras not viually aging

[azure bay]

I'm strongly against Owl commiting revenge in any way

For me he seems too gentle/wise/conscious/macheavellian

For me he's the person that would kill for a greater good

Or at least a greater goal. But not for himself

While revenge is something pitiful

Plus, he has no rational reasons for revenge

1. Yes he was burnt, yet it lead him to a highest position possible

Above everyone else

2. Yes, Caroline was burnt as well, yet it was her choice & her plan to ascend Jacob

3. they seemingly neither remember killing Caroline nor being Eilanders. So technically these are different people therefore innocent

Like a son shoudn't be responsible for father's actions so reincarnations shouldn't be responsible for their past life actions

[high talon]

Actually on the last point past life actions (good n bad) follow ya thats karma

[naive sentinel]

Owl needed memories to feed the lake
so I think he (ordered Harvey to) killed the guests to extract their memories and take revenge at the same time

[azure bay]

No & no

His main goal was a prophecy

The ending was about a cube foretelling Dale reaching the hotel

&, once again, I DON'T THINK Owl was interested in revenge

[azure bay]

I don't really see karma in RL

[high talon]

Yes but that doesn't mean it isn't gonna happen bro

We dont have to see everything

[azure bay]

Well, karma can manifest in 2 ways

1. bad luck during life which is impossible to prove
2. lower forms after rebirth which doesn't seem to be systematically the case

[high talon]

Exactly and theres many lower forms in the RL universe past life stuff sticks around imho

[azure bay]

There are lower forms, yes. The thing is, they don't seem to be defined by karma

Rather by special conditions

[late canyon]

As I see it, Owl only needed Dale because the souls escaped

[high talon]

Laura?

[azure bay]

"We need him for our future, the full elixir"

"My time is limited, Dale, I need a successor"

[azure bay]

What about her?

[high talon]

She seems to get karma in a way at least

[azure bay]

In a way that's impossible to tell for sure.

While her rebirth as a preta wasn't because of her deeds but because of clumsiness of a certain feathered fool

[late canyon]

True, I forgot. The last thing I Played Was the Mill.

Anyhow, don't they only get around Karma because of the Elixir..

[azure bay]

What do you mean by getting around karma?

[late canyon]

The elixir cheats Karma as does the ritual of the Eilanders by granting rebirth as human, respectively Asura

[azure bay]

Well, that's a part of my point

Another part is cube extraction

That may corrupt

As well as Bob's depression

& he didn't even die

[late canyon]

Can you elaborate about Bob's Depression,Please?

[azure bay]

He's likely got corrupted both in Case 23 & in TWD due to his bad emotional state

so did van Gogh

[late canyon]

True. In Theater his corruption is caused by Extraktion of Bad memories though in I remember right?

[royal notch]

In the game, yes, but in reality, we don't know if this happened: Theathre was a modified memory.

[floral mauve]

Me2

I think Mr Owl has more than that reason to kill five asuras

[royal notch]

The Lake was again asking for memories, i guess.

[floral mauve]

But he didn’t give away those right?

Mr owl kelts the cubes in the cell to trap the cs

[royal notch]

We don't know if he throwt them after that night.

I once thought that the Lake preserves his consciousness even if phisically separated. Like every cell, having his water, IS the Lake.

And since it has the cubes, it's fine. So it probably would not be necessary throw them in the real Lake. But it's just a thought that i have abandoned.

[floral mauve]

????????

he kept them in the cell until they broke out

[royal notch]

I'm talking about the cubes.

[floral mauve]

watch it

in hotel

they are cubes

thats why I think its quite interesting

samsara still exists in memory

[floral mauve]

the corrupted souls are cubes

[royal notch]

I've still many doubts about this. I'm OK to the fact they are strictly related, but i'm not OK to the fact they're the same thing. Would you explain William's corrupted soul?

[floral mauve]

I didnt say they are the same thing

[royal notch]

...

[floral mauve]

I just think that they prove the memories are the true core of a living creature

[floral mauve]

in hotel

and paradise

in William's case

idk

[royal notch]

The cubes seems to be the goal of the majority or them.

[floral mauve]

?

[royal notch]

Laura went crazy for them.

And the guests are wondering the Lake with apparently no reason.

[floral mauve]

in my opinion, memories are the self identification thing we have

with memories being extracted

you are no long you

the cubes are you

this is getting philosophical

[floral mauve]

however, this is debatable

[royal notch]

OK, i got i now, i understand.

[floral mauve]

but in guests case

they are

since they dont even have a flesh body anymore

[royal notch]

But Laura seems to remember who she was. I don't see why then the other corrupted souls wouldn't remember. I mean, the corrupted souls can remember your past life, even with memories extracted from the body.

[floral mauve]

doubt

btw the memory extraction is not completely suck out your entire brain

so it must have some sort of left over

just like Bob

can remember everything again after therapy

[royal notch]

We don't know if this was an extraction, and i think the opposite.

Bob gradually remember because they gradually put his memories back.

I have to go. I'll be back, sorry. Lunch time.

[floral mauve]

???

We currently have no clue about why they did in the night to Bob

I don’t think their actions were to put the memories back to Bob

[royal notch]

Neither that they extracted them.

Nor put them back. 🤷‍♂️

The White Door is honestly the game i understood the less.

[floral mauve]

They did bruh

In theatre

His memories now belong to the lake

Said mr Owl

[royal notch]

Yeah, Dale literally entered in his brain and took them with bare hands. Sure!

[covert wyvern]

is this still a friendly conversation?

[royal notch]

Yep.

[floral mauve]

Always has been?

[covert wyvern]

alright carry on then!

just checking in pretend im not here

even though I read every word.

[royal notch]

Just doing your job.

[floral mauve]

That’s the mysterious part about it

[covert wyvern]

thats the idea!

[floral mauve]

I believe they simplified it

Somehow

Because Bob left with no wound neither

After the shot

[royal notch]

Theathre is a modified memory, it can be badly altered.

[floral mauve]

But white door isn’t

[royal notch]

Who knows.

[floral mauve]

It’s quite objective in twd

Since it’s Bob himself gets his memories back together

[royal notch]

We don't know about the "himself".

It COULD have been the Institute, with that machine.

[floral mauve]

Well

Maybe

This is getting cyberpunk

Machines and memories

[royal notch]

Lol.

[floral mauve]

But

I still think that’s not

What they tried to do in twd?

Orrr maybe

Actually

The theatre extraction failed

So they decided to let Bob remember again

And extract them again

In a more fresh way

This is good

[royal notch]

Hey, i like this idea!

Good though, really!

[floral mauve]

[royal notch]

But, wait.

[floral mauve]

His memories contain Laura that is important

If Mr Owl already had his memories back in the theatre

Then why he wants to get him back again?

So that might prove my point

[royal notch]

Surely, but why?

[floral mauve]

This pet is completely unknown

Maybe Mr Owl wants Laura to quit her cs form

By doing so he wants to make her Try to balance her past life

In order know the substance

Mr Owl decided to find someone that was close to her

Maybe this part makes sense?

[floral mauve]

Since Laura’s memories are….in the lake?

Which aren’t accessible?

[royal notch]

Doubt, in the winter of that year they used them for the golden cube.

After that, maybe yes.

[floral mauve]

That’s why

It’s not accessible

Since it’s golden cube

No longer a simple memory cube

[royal notch]

TWD is in summer.

[floral mauve]

Idk

[floral mauve]

Then the memories are still down in the water

Probably empty inside

Consumed by the lake?

I am making weird guesses

👀

[royal notch]

No, i don't think the Lake consume them. The Lake always has been full of cubes. I think he only need them inside.

[floral mauve]

Oh

Pollution

Filled with cubes

Then he must consume them?

Otherwise it’s full of cubes

Since the memories are no longer fresh

That’s like consumed?

[royal notch]

Maybe after some centuries.

[floral mauve]

Don’t think so

Maybe shorter

Decade

[royal notch]

Yep, It can be.

[floral mauve]

Otherwise the role of the Eilanders won’t be significant

To take care of the lake

Anyway, I am gonna let nowhere check the theories later, I gotta work now

I enjoy the conversation we had

[royal notch]

Me too. Good luck!

[hoary lichen]

Ok ok so I’ve thought about the Ms Pheasant thing and I think that basically her and Mr Rabbit both were trying to find the substances of their past lives to escape their forms and Ms Pheasant was able to find them

Which explains (?) why she has a new form in Theater and why her puzzle relates to balancing substances

[azure bay]

well, technically Pheasant was not. At least on screen
the 1st theater play may mean anything. We need more info

[hoary lichen]

I’ve also thought about the idea of her being the cs in Harvey’s box but that’s a kinda dum idea

Because then why would she use a pigeon and stuff

Idk

And also this doesn’t answer why she game overs herself in Hotel

But I still think something is up with her

[azure bay]

Some tend to think that it was Mrs. Pigeon. I'm personally not that sure.

[hoary lichen]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It’s weird

[azure bay]

what exactly is?

[hoary lichen]

The cs in Harvey’s Box

And trying to figure out who it is

[azure bay]

well

2 options I see

1. Pigeon because there was something similar with Deer: an animal then CS then redesign

2. a random CS

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

Although “a random cs” is unsatisfying it could be true

Maybe

Possibly

[azure bay]

for me everyone not being random is unsatisfying

that makes the world too small

that's mainly why I don't like grandpa=Crow theory

or Albert=Dale

[hoary lichen]

True

[azure bay]

returning to Pheasant, yeah, I tend to think that songstress is more than just actress

yet the timeline makes less sense with data we have

and "balancing substance of her past life" could be either desire of her role or the one of her own & even direct demand for Dale as the chosen one

[daring spear]

Uhh guys , so , in hotel Harvey ( players ) killed the guests . So how did their corrupted form come ? They should be all dead right ? This is seriously confusing me .

[high talon]

Im sorry maybe its the wording but i dont understand what youre asking?

[daring spear]

I mean Harvey killed the guests to get their meat correct ?

[covert wyvern]

Yes, and you're wondering how come they're corrupted souls? I'm assuming it's because you don't need a body for your soul to go corrupt

[high talon]

Yes and i mean the answers in the name "soul"

The soul n body are two different things

[azure bay]

Corruption may take place both with the dead & the living

Corruption may cover the body

Yet it may also cover the soul leaving that body

@daring spear

[late canyon]

William did also become a corrupted soul and left his body behind

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

Although his cs was weird

[azure bay]

So did Caroline

[hoary lichen]

It supposedly wasn’t visible and acted more like a ghost

Either that or Rose watched some completely black humanoid move her ouija toy

[late canyon]

Though Sie was ashes

She

[azure bay]

Bones*

[late canyon]

That too

[hoary lichen]

Bone dust

[late canyon]

Magical bone dust

[azure bay]

I assume there are many CS out there. Yet we don't see them.

And, considering samsara mythology, pretas are ghosts indeed

[daring spear]

So how did they extract the soul ?

Or the black cubes

[azure bay]

I don't get your question

Could you rephrase it?

[hoary lichen]

I think they simply did it before cooking them

[azure bay]

there are many options

from meat

from the rest of the corpse

from clean bones

not extracting them at all

if they are ghost they could manifest on their own

while they ARE the cubes

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

[daring spear]

I think the memories are the cube and you need the brain for that , so maybe he left the brain .

[azure bay]

there was no brain in Caroline's bones. Yet Jacob got a cube from them

William left his brain alongside his body

the clock could be a time fridge to preserve bodies from rotting

Laura died in 1971

& got corrupted in 1972

[hexed bough]

they took a long time to extract her memories

[azure bay]

or there was no time in The Mill

[hoary lichen]

Really?

Huh

[azure bay]

I'd rather think it would be the lake

[hoary lichen]

I always thought it happened the same year because it happens while Case 23 happens

[azure bay]

& case 23 takes place mostly in 1972 (unless it's retconned)

[hoary lichen]

Weird

Or not

The timeline confuses me lol

😅

[azure bay]

I think, "the time stopped"

just like in a story Dale found

That story was about old Aldous

there was the lake, the mill, the time stopping & numbers appearing over the lake

[hoary lichen]

O:

True

[azure bay]

while in The Mill the numbers indeed appeared there

[hoary lichen]

Wait time stopped in the story?

I thought the man stopped

I’m probably remembering wrong

[azure bay]

"the time stopped"

[hoary lichen]

Ohh

Yeah

[azure bay]

I also think it stopped in The Cave

Dale went underwater in summer 1972

while The Cave takes place in Winter 1972

& everything Dale did during that time span is reaching the bottom, walking into big white cube & getting connected to a machine

without having his beard regrown

[hoary lichen]

What if the same thing that happened to Harvey that turned them into a normal parrot happened to Ms Pigeon somehow turning her into a normal pigeon and that’s the pigeon that appears in Harvey’s Box

How?

Idk

She’s just built differently

[late canyon]

I Do believe it's her.

[azure bay]

Harvey was turned into parrot by Owl

[hoary lichen]

Ohhh

Hm

[azure bay]

there was no one to do so for the others

Owl would continue life in such a way for his servant

but not the guests

[hoary lichen]

🤔

The real question is why Pheasant’s gun counts as a substance of Mr Rabbit’s lives

Although that’s probably so you can shoot him lol

[azure bay]

they were at least working at the same theatre

they could have deeper relations

[hoary lichen]

True

[azure bay]

& pistol could be related to both of them

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

But why did Ms Pheasant kill herself that’s the real question

Maybe she was in Rusty Lake for the mental health part

And also where does her second human form come from

It’s not Elizabeth

[high talon]

I always assumed she died by accident the camera flash made her cringe n maybe move her finger n she shot herself on accident

[hoary lichen]

Eh

[high talon]

Heres a fun fact:Never place a gun under your chin for a photo shoot

[hoary lichen]

I think it was suicide because in Theater her neck cuts

Referencing Laura’s death

[high talon]

Maybe who knows

[hoary lichen]

And Laura committed suicide

So I assume it was suicide

[azure bay]

I agree with Neo about suicide

[hoary lichen]

And also who has a loaded gun lying around and decides to put it under their head

[azure bay]

for me

[hoary lichen]

Even Jakob’s uncle was aiming for the apple

[azure bay]

she was just an artistic yet miserable person

[hoary lichen]

Oh

Wait

Yeah if that’s true it would kinda prove the whole mental illness similitudes the game has

[high talon]

Thats your opinion n i respect that and tbh who knows, maybe she figured it was prop look all im saying it, we don't know what she had in mind

[hoary lichen]

Like how in Arles the cs seems to represent Van Gogh’s mental issues

[high talon]

None of us here are mental health professionals (i think) who knows motives at this point, we don't get many hints

[azure bay]

CS are more likely to be blobs of negativity in general

[hoary lichen]

But yeah I think it was suicide and that the human version in Theater could represent a possible new form like the one Mr Rabbit was trying to get

Yeah

[hexed bough]

maybe the gun was already her's-

[hoary lichen]

Don’t mess with Ms Pheasant

[high talon]

Who knows?Lmao, it's honestly a mystery where they kept their personal belongings lmao?Did we see a briefcase or anything in hotel, fr being honest my minds pulling out a big blank rn

[hoary lichen]

Lol

Also I think that the answer of why Mr Rabbit’s cs had a mask and was able to take a human-like form is that he is just magic

Like he was able to break space itself by using a hat

[azure bay]

I think it's just for design sake

I seem to have found the inspiration for that mask

[late canyon]

Where?

[azure bay]

An artist made it

Nymla

She also made a familiar boar

That likely inspired Gerard's mask

[floral mauve]

Just like the last conversation we had about it, I found this unconvincing

because if its just the design, why would it be in Rabbit's case only

why cant the devs put all the guests covered with the masks

[floral mauve]

you could say this for the paradise masks

not for the hotel CS figures though

[floral mauve]

In RL universe, the memories are no longer depending on the brain

But the brain can still regenerate memories though

(In Bob's case)

[azure bay]

They pretty much already had design for Deer. Then they were probably designing everyone else after him. At some point a creepy rabbit mask was discovered. It was so cool that they decided to use it with no consistency nor hidden message.

That story is pretty fine by me.

[floral mauve]

I mean I would agree with you if its in Paradise masks

in hotel, its just unnecessary

[azure bay]

Yet it could be the case

It's possible that someone likes something to an extent that nothing matters anymore

[late canyon]

This image has me convinced

[daring spear]

What is this ? 🧐

[azure bay]

It's a mask created by certain Nymla

The 1st mask like that was created in 2015 before Hotel

That makes it a possible inspiration for Mr. Rabbit's CS design

[daring spear]

Wow , this is definitely insane !

[astral frost]

Donnie Darko mask is very famous too

It could be another inspiration

[vapid portal]

there is a post on reddit that ive seen before and i think it makes a lot of sense but i wanna see what you all think of it

[azure bay]

I don't think Paradox is about testing Dale in that way

I rather tend to think that Dale will be reborn as Mr. Deer

like Aldous was reborn as Mr. Crow

notably, Dale is unlikely to be the same Deer as seen in Hotel

I don't think there has to be only one for all times

I don't even think there has to be only one at the time

@vapid portal

[vapid portal]

ty ty

[floral mauve]

I agree

The guests are just the figures I think

The five animals in the forest

[azure bay]

what do you mean by "just"?

what do you think the others think the guests are?

@floral mauve

[floral mauve]

I mean the shape they are in

The animal lookings are the figure I am referring to

Not have to do with the reincarnation here

[azure bay]

what are the figures then?

[floral mauve]

The animals

[azure bay]

I don't really get what you mean

what kind of figures?

[floral mauve]

Let’s change the word figures into images

The animals

They will keep appearing

In the series

[azure bay]

you mean symbols?

with some meaning

[floral mauve]

Not really

[azure bay]

or message

[floral mauve]

Only the appearance

[azure bay]

alright I thnk I get you now

[floral mauve]

[slow ridge]

Hey, weird question I got.. why Harvey doesn't has a generic name like the other animals (Mr. Parrot, for example)? And how Laura figured out his (or her¿¿¿) name?

[burnt grove]

If I had to say it's because she was the first named character in the series/had a main line game.

I mean it seems that the animal names are mode of a code named situation as Mr Owl and Mr Crow both have genuine names as well :)

[ebon aspen]

Well, the only time harvey could be a "mr" was in hotel, and there owl and crow knew him and just went by his name
And about laura, she is william reincarnated after all, we can presume that she felt that "harvey" was the parrots name (or, more likely, found a family stuff telling the name)

For sure harvey was called "mr parrot" sometime, we just didnt see it bc there was no need

[azure bay]

Harvey was not that familiar to William

It's likely to have nothing to do with feelings

[ebon aspen]

Thats why my guess is pending more to the "family-stuff-found-in-the-attic" thing than to a profound connection between will and harv

[azure bay]

What family stuff then?

[ebon aspen]

Dunno, but vanderbooms be vanderbooms
And also, william met harvey during his time as a cs, so it wouldnt be strange for laura just knowing his name from scratch

[azure bay]

I think William was watching there from behind backs of others. It was just Emma to send a letter & Frank to receive it. I doubt even them knowing parrot's name

Actually, I think Harvey was spying for Owl

First on Laura then on Bob

In my book Laura is more likely to discover the bird's name during its, let's say, infiltration

[burnt grove]

I thought Harvey was a she, as the the only time we see her refered to as anything its by Laura if I remember correctly? Also Harvey lays eggs-

[azure bay]

I tend to refer to the parrot as "he" for 2 reasons

1. Harvey is а male name

2. Before becoming a regular parrot he was likely a male hybrid

[slow ridge]

Don't confuse the "past lives", Aldous Vanderboom (Mr. Crow) and Jacob Eilander (Mr. Owl) are like "Past lives" of them.

I think

[slow ridge]

Yeah, you're right, but a lot of things happened before Hotel, so maybe he had another job like the other anthros

[azure bay]

Technically, yes. Yet they somehow preserved their past life personalities & even forms

[floral mauve]

A point often mistaken

Harvey is called harvey when he is in parrot animal form

so that indicates he is no longer....

you know

human or asura or possibly with human intelligence

Perhaps when he was an employee of the hotel

he is Mr Parrot

but we dont know

[ebon aspen]

iirc harvey was an animal before becoming an asura (unlikely owl or crow, who were humans), so somehow he was a pet bird that became enlightened

[floral mauve]

Doubt

according to the samsara

[ebon aspen]

its this or he could become a normal parrot way bf owl transformed him after hotel

[floral mauve]

there is no direct promotion path between animal and asura state

you gotta become human first

(Harvey: become human)

it is still possible to achieve a double promotion though

[floral mauve]

we can refer to the dog here

[ebon aspen]

but did the dog do smth else besides becoming immortal due to the elixir?

[floral mauve]

I had this convo before

[ebon aspen]

i mean, the dog and harvey are waaaaaaay different cases

[floral mauve]

we need to understand the function of elixir

1. longer life expectancy
2. enlighten human to asura

apparently the dog only has the first one

[high talon]

Maybe we will one day or maybe they will leave it open ended for the fandom to hiss hiss bite bite over

[floral mauve]

thats where the samsara stage comes

animals gotta be human

then asura

[ebon aspen]

dont even give the idea for the devs oh boy

[floral mauve]

since in the concept of samsara, animals are inferior than humans

[high talon]

I already have likely by just saying this lol lets be honest some things wont be answered thats the chaos of game devs

[ebon aspen]

so the possibility is: harvey died sometime between the events of paradise and hotel, reborn as a human and got enlightened so he could act as an employee at the hotel

[floral mauve]

yes

this is a possible interpretation

[high talon]

I might have a theory but its likely dumb

[floral mauve]

even though lack of evidence

but still

good

[ebon aspen]

theorizing is a dumb act, and here we are

just throw it here anyway

[floral mauve]

[high talon]

Lmao so you guys remember the mammoth teaser?

[floral mauve]

?

[ebon aspen]

of fuck harvey was a mammoth

[high talon]

Dfnjkifdbfdi no no XD but good theory so

[floral mauve]

I dont get it

[ebon aspen]

there was some posts about a game that would take place 10000 years bc, and there was a mammoth in it

[high talon]

What if Harvey was from that time and he/she/they/whatever were a human back then and somehow he/she/they/whatever found the potion n drank it likely being the "original" finder

[floral mauve]

thats actually a good one since everytime you die, you redistribute into samsara depending on your karma

[high talon]

So they were human back then and turned into a parrot then i remember the devs confirming Harvey was the oldest "person" at the lake in the QnA so

Idk it made sense in my 3 braincell brain

[ebon aspen]

the time i learnt about that game i started thinking about harvey relations (due to all his background and shit)

[floral mauve]

that is true if you mean the soul

[high talon]

Well yes pretty much lol

[ebon aspen]

but my guess the devs threw that idea out bc it would go way back in time (it was a nice idea tho, knowing the real roots of the lake)

[floral mauve]

for example, at first Harvey is a parrot, then he died naturally entered samsara redistribute and become human. Somehow later on, he got enlightened

[high talon]

So yeah Harvey is the (likely) og finder of the elixir or that's what i think this theory will likely be burned down to the ground w a future game but who knows, not me

[floral mauve]

this is also possible but I dont see the evidence

[high talon]

I sadly have none to give you rn.XD

[floral mauve]

it seems also very sus of Caroline as a village woman have such knowledge

[high talon]

But if i ever do find any proof that could actually give a foundation to that theory i will share it here

[floral mauve]

thats like homemade nuclear rocket

[ebon aspen]

my guess is that the last game (or one of the last ones) in the series will be about harvey and what the heck he actually is and whats his role in the lake stuff

[high talon]

Maybe

[floral mauve]

6 years at least I think

if not the one after the past within

[high talon]

Lmao unless they pull a twin peaks n wait 25 years

[floral mauve]

bruh

[ebon aspen]

carol and harvey seemed connected somehow in paradise (yes, its just an easter egg about flowers, but who knows)

[floral mauve]

I know

thats why its sus

[ebon aspen]

after playing paradise i started to think about this theory of harvey being the original elixir founder/maker

[floral mauve]

dont forget the egg in roots

even though its not the actual process of making elixir

it is still foreshadowing something

[ebon aspen]

!!!!

[high talon]

Wait you dont think Harvey is Caroline..XD

[floral mauve]

Harvey is Caroline's tutor

[ebon aspen]

the devs wouldnt just "ah fuck, elixir is a helluva omelette"

[floral mauve]

yes

[high talon]

Rti09fredujiheb omlette! I would eat that tbh

[floral mauve]

anyway

we made some progress

gg

[high talon]

Gg

[ebon aspen]

and tpw is coming to take us back to the start 🤡

[high talon]

Lmao it will surely burn all our theories to the ground w a flamethrower or a Molotov cocktail

[floral mauve]

who?

[high talon]

The past within

[floral mauve]

ah

dont worry

only if they try to link Eilander and Vanderboom

other than that, it just tiny context plus fine details

[high talon]

Tbh i feel like they are linked somehow, maybe idk how but somehow i feel they are related

[ebon aspen]

im sure we will see a lot about deer stuff, hope there will be some screen time for parrots too

[floral mauve]

😂

its albert

deer

But I am certain Harvey will show up

because thats the only thing he does

[floral mauve]

exactly, thats why I say its a big deal

[high talon]

Yeahhhh

[azure bay]

"And Harvey, I'm really glad you've brought me cigars"

[late canyon]

So what's going on with Hotel and the lake lighting up before the sky at dawn? Do any of y'all think it has significance?

[azure bay]

тоо little sunlight & interior gets dark

or no explanation whatsoever

[late canyon]

Ooooor the lake itself is messing with time... maybe

[high talon]

Actually it could be whats called a Zodiacal light

Also known as a false dawn/dusk.To quote google:
Zodiacal light, band of light in the night sky, thought to be sunlight reflected from cometary dust concentrated in the plane of the zodiac, or ecliptic. The light is seen in the west after twilight and in the east before dawn, being easily visible in the tropics where the ecliptic is approximately vertical.

[late canyon]

That's interesting but nothing the devs would include I think

[high talon]

You never know

[floral mauve]

[royal notch]

That's doesn't exclude the fact that in that time Harvey could still be called "Mr Parrot".

[azure bay]

More like assumption, not fact

[floral mauve]

true

[royal notch]

Of course.

[azure bay]

Yet it's all strange indeed

[floral mauve]

I admit that my random assumption isnt logical

[royal notch]

Why?

[azure bay]

Asuras refer to each in no other way but Mr's & Mrs'

Even on posters

And here we have Harvey

[floral mauve]

perhaps Harvey is special to all of them

Mr Owl doesnt even call Mr Crow Aldous

[azure bay]

He does in The Cave

[royal notch]

That's not true. Mr Owl called Mr Crow Aldous in Cave, and i don't think that would be so strange.

[floral mauve]

not in his business

[azure bay]

I have a debunking assumption

[royal notch]

We're listening.

[azure bay]

Calling Harvey by name had the only reason of establishing Hotel MC as a familiar character. Possibly with no further thoughts

[vapid hinge]

Maybe a mirror would be less confusing.

And a password of Johnsson

To....... something

[royal notch]

I honestly don't know why they shouldn't call each other by their names. Besides all their enlighteneds lives, we can say they're friends.

[vapid hinge]

Maybe professional courtesy?

Idk

[azure bay]

I assume, it's about asura culture

[onyx ruin]

This isn’t much of a theory, but it kind of fits in here? Has anyone tried to use the usernames and passwords from The White Door on the official website?

[floral mauve]

I think this should go below #the-white-door

[high talon]

Fdjkdf oop was aboutta ping the mods but GG you beat me to it guys

[azure bay]

That'd ruin ARG

[high talon]

I doubt (even if it would ruin it) does it even work anymore?The arg was a while ago

[azure bay]

Oh it does

What do ya doubt about? I don't understand

[high talon]

I doubted it worked anymore.

But alas i was wrong

[vapid portal]

idk if yall already discussed this before but does anyone have any theories about what happened to frank and leonard at the end of roots

[high talon]

Most ppl assumed they died

[floral mauve]

thats just sad

I mean Rose escaped from a clock where his grandfather's uncle's dead body was in it filled with roots

so perhaps Franks and Leonard survived

[high talon]

Perhaps i believe they just went into a coma like state for the ritual (but the roots kept em alive) but they remembered nothing just like an amnesiac state

[floral mauve]

The last part of your statement is unnecessary

since there is no indication of memory losses relates to the roots

but I do agree that they might be in a coma

I have no idea why ppl like Albert instead of Frank

this dude is like in a classic plot where he had his revenge

[high talon]

Lmao who knows how the roots work tbh, i just figured since they seemed rather outta it so what i mean by "amnesiac state" is them getting the amnesia juice during the ritual they remember everything up until that point but until the roots let go ig they just had their minds go "blank" per se, also i read "I have no idea why ppl like Albert inside of Frank" and i was really concerned/confused what you meant (like all i pictured was a possession of sorts) but then he reread it and was like "oh"

[floral mauve]

I mean I get u perhaps

just coma in the roots

[high talon]

Perhaps

[hoary lichen]

Maybe they just wake up after Roots

And help Rose raise Laura

[floral mauve]

Doubt

but not completely impossible

[azure bay]

I tend to agree with this

[floral mauve]

because we only see the sketch book of Rose

[floral mauve]

I agree with the possiblity of this

[azure bay]

in alchemist's papers it was told just about 10 sacrifices but not about 2 whole bodies

[floral mauve]

A PTSD uncle and a depressed nephew is not a always good combination

[azure bay]

that could be the reason for Laura's depression, couldn't it? :з

[floral mauve]

[daring spear]

So uhh , regarding the ending scene of the bonus last dream , " She's Not There " , at the end it showed Sarah and Bob together . Can it mean something like Bob ended up with Sarah ?

The whole reason I am asking this is because of a recent fan art by someone was posted in SECOND MAZE instagram account and it showed a drawing suggesting Bob ending up with Sarah or something like that. I don't know but what do you guys think ?

[azure bay]

if we think objectively, appreciating fanart is not a canonization

but talking about the ending itself, it's possible

yet there are several ways to see those endings

Laura's ending & the one of Sarah may take place either in series or in parallel

[azure bay]

@daring spear do I need to explain it?

[daring spear]

@azure bay , uhh no .

[azure bay]

(just in case)

[daring spear]

I understand.
I just want to know what others think about the ending .

[azure bay]

I guess, it will take a while

feel free to ping me when somebody answers

[daring spear]

Ohh okay .

[late canyon]

I do think Sarah came to care a lot for Bob but He only accepts her friendship, at least for a while

[azure bay]

I think it's harder to tell

could be wither way

[vapid hinge]

Parallel may involve a Blue Cube.

[azure bay]

or simply timeline split

quantum-like

cat is both dead & alive at the same time

[vapid hinge]

True, true.

However, do we see superpositions outside of Paradox/back end of Cave?

[azure bay]

can you elaborate a little so I'm sure I understood you correctly?

[vapid hinge]

Premise 1. In Paradox's blue/red endings, Dale is flickering between corrupted soul and himself
Premise 2. We see this happen at the end of Cave, when he and Laura are in the room at the bottom of the lake and they flicker between themselves and corrupted souls, two mutually exclusive states vying for dominance, the dead and alive cats.

Do we see this anywhere else?

[azure bay]

well, since I'm sure Paradox is taking place inside Dale's mind while he's chained to a machine from The Cave, that could be the only case. At least there's nothing depicted alike

[runic atlas]

Maybe at the end in "White Door", who knows

Not talking on the secret one, clearly

[azure bay]

you mean Bob was semi-human semi-corrupted?

@runic atlas

[runic atlas]

Who knows

[azure bay]

No, dude, leave being cryptic to developers. Here I want to know what exactly you are trying to say.

[floral mauve]

I mean the ending of TWD is actually depending on the ending of paradox I think

if Laura revives, then, Bob might be.....