🤔｜theories

[floral mauve]

It’s still a mystery of how Harvey devolve (procedure)

We only know Mr Owl is involved in Harveys rebirth and devolution

[royal notch]

I think that Samsara is a "law" of the universe, inescapable. But the Lake is able to resurrect someone without breaking it, since Harvey is still Harvey.

[azure bay]

Maybe not

We did not see his memories

& memories contain personality

[floral mauve]

btw could u explain the state of Mr Owl

I personally think he is gonna perish or become a fish then perish

death is always an option in RL

you cant avoid it eternally

[azure bay]

Souls are eternal

They wander through lives & deaths for ages

[floral mauve]

soul is eternal but death is as well

thats also included in buddhism

everything can still die

and wait for the next reincarnation

in RL, Mr Owl avoided death and directly changed his state by using spiritual Elixir

which is not natural

ppl gotta die to receive natural reincarnation

[floral mauve]

the time you dont reincarnation, you stay in samsara room for example

when you exit it, its the time you start your next life

thats what I thought

[royal notch]

True, but we see him being at the right place in the right moment: as Laura's pet, to control her, at Mr Crow's mill, and in Theathre is even in Mr Owl's shoulder! And he also helped in driving the Vanderbooms' fate, with Emma's letter! I think that's enough to confirm that Harvey knows who he is.

[floral mauve]

Well Hervey is definitely some sort of exception

I doubt he remains his complete memory in animal form

Think about it, as an animal with human mind, would you willing to get trapped in a cage and behaves like a normal bird and spend most of your time with a depressed woman without being depressed

[azure bay]

The souls that are unable to be reborn are pretas

[floral mauve]

Well I think they can still perish

One way or another

[azure bay]

That doesn't mean it still was the same person

[floral mauve]

Caroline

The six forms are still life forms

So they still and should have some sort of death boundary

[azure bay]

Not really

Pretas are literally ghosts with delayed rebirth

Souls in hell are also techncally dead

Living means having a body

[floral mauve]

Actually no

I got confused

Sorry

Preta is a form of ghost

Yes

That’s it

They are suffering and greedy and looking for an exist of their form while luring others

That’s it

[floral mauve]

Maybe if you emmm destroy one cs, make them kinda die, they may fall back in samsara

Shoot Mr rabbit for example

[azure bay]

In buddhism pretas were invented in order to explain former ghosts believes in new universe concept

The soul perishing means being liberated from samsara

That means enlightenment

[floral mauve]

They are suffering as a punishment by deva

[azure bay]

Devas donvt punish

[floral mauve]

Nothing can liberate from samsara

[floral mauve]

They do because they are god

What kinda Buddhism did you read

[azure bay]

By reading wikipedia I understood that gods are also trapped in the samsara & also suffer in their own way. Only Yama judges the dead

[floral mauve]

Yes

Yama is kinda naraka

Right?

[azure bay]

Nirvana is a state outside samsara

Liberation from suffering, from body & mind

[floral mauve]

How???

Nirvana is ligit reborn

Like phonix

[azure bay]

No, nirvana is existance outside samsara.

If it's can be called existence

[floral mauve]

That’s epic

Because if you fall into nirvana

You are like unconscious and become emmmm

Air?

LoL

[cerulean crypt]

You stop existing?

[floral mauve]

Kinda

Perish completely

No more samsara for u I guess

[azure bay]

No, you can return as bodhisattva & help others reach enlightenment & nirvana

That can be weird

[floral mauve]

????

I am super confused

But sure

[azure bay]

But that's the final goal of buddhism

Existing without suffering

Feelings

[floral mauve]

Bruh

[azure bay]

Just clear & calm mind

[floral mauve]

Yes

That’s human words

[floral mauve]

This isn’t

[azure bay]

Bidhisattva is just a term

A soul that willingly returned into samsara

[floral mauve]

I get it

Thx

Maybe if RL has sort of ending and then restart

We may see all current characters as bidhisattva

[azure bay]

In RL enlightenment was redefined

[floral mauve]

I never get it but see it as promoting into a higher form

[azure bay]

That's how it works exclusively in RL universe.

I don't think there's nirvana & bodhisattvas

Unless the wisest ones have misenterpreted something

I mean Caroline, alchemists & Owl

But I find that unlikely

It's hard to say what happened to Caroline or Rabbit because the rules seem twisted from the start

Maybe there is weirdly working soul fusion

Or transformation into trees

But I have no idea how to justify those

Mythology would be a great source of ideas

If it was copied more strictly

[vapid portal]

i have a dumb question but yall know that part in paradox where we have to rearrange dale's memories? why is one of his memories the mill if he wasn't physically there

[ebon aspen]

in theatre the mill was explained to him

and iirc thats how it was "remembered" in paradox, not like how we see it in the other game

[royal notch]

I think that's just a reference of all the previous cube escape games.

[azure bay]

<@&844233128523464805> it would be great to prohibit simple users pinging everyone. Is it possible?

[royal notch]

There still isn't anyone online! I already called them in #🩸｜general-chat .

[grizzled bluff]

I'm online. The issue should be handled now, thank you for pinging us

[grizzled bluff]

Users already can't at everyone. There is simply an individual user with that name.

[inland zealot]

not really discord still shows the message as a ping but it does nothing

[covert wyvern]

Yes, so even though it shows as a "ping" in the message, it does not actually send out a notification to all of our members

thus they cannot ping everyone.

That's all on this matter.

It's been solved, there's really no use to bring that up 12 hours after it happened.

If anyone else has any complaints or suggestions about our server or its role permissions; feel free to use #💭｜suggestions-and-feedback we read every message!

[azure bay]

@humble coral I've posted my essay on RL subreddit. It's easy to find while it's fresh

[covert wyvern]

Feel free to link the post if you want to, Crafter.

[humble coral]

Thanks

[azure bay]

Have you read it?

[covert wyvern]

Not at all; I'm just saying if you feel like sharing it you're more than welcome too, if it doesn't contain anything datamined or illegal ;)

[azure bay]

One little clue taken from my collegue is datamined

So I won't

[covert wyvern]

Smart move!

[manic cedar]

I know it ultimately doesn’t change much for the post, but one big piece of evidence in support of Great Britain may be Leonard’s uniform

Which seems to be British

[high talon]

I actually lowkey theorize Rusty Lake is in it own "bubble" of sorts like separate from the other places that exist in the RL universe (which i assume logically is on earth) ((this is smth ppl who played FFX through like a 100 times will only get but oh well i will give context to that in the cabin)) but its like a separate realm like hold on lemme to a visual i cant explain it that well

as for how people go in and out of the "bubble" maybe its like world hopping or its a floating island in the sky

[covert wyvern]

Hey that's my theory

Smg

Smh*

[high talon]

lmao

[floral mauve]

That’s technically too abstract

I personally think there is a village next to the lake

Otherwise where did Mary and the profet come from

The vanderboom family seems to be a normal family lives next to a lake while raised a serial killer

Or multiple ones

[high talon]

Valid too lmao

[floral mauve]

In those mountainous areas, there should be serval villages distributed in the valley or a small town with basic communication

[high talon]

whom knows ¯_(ツ)_/¯

im not big brain enough for that so i shall not get into it that much lol no need to waste my remaining 3 braincells

[floral mauve]

Otherwise it’s rediculous building a hotel from a witched island

Must have some sort of construction service nearby

Or transportation

[floral mauve]

Imagine Mr Owl using his asura power only to build

[high talon]

dunno what they had back in the day for transport other than horses, boats and maybe cars i dunno i didnt exist yet

[floral mauve]

Still better than nothing

Carts

[covert wyvern]

If a subspace bubble like the Lake would exist, and it does not adhere to our perception of space, it's very likely it simply has multiple access points.

There being a village next to the lake is true, in the sense that any village on the planet could have a road leading there.

[high talon]

or a bridge?

[covert wyvern]

A passageway.

[floral mauve]

We see no bridge apparently

[high talon]

uhh...XD

[floral mauve]

Depressed Mr crow noises

[high talon]

near the mill?

[covert wyvern]

I know it's a boring answer, but it's the one I like the most

[floral mauve]

If there is a bridge easily access to the hotel

Mr Crow would have less wage for his family

[high talon]

not to the hotel but still a bridge, lmao n i mean you could always ride the lake monster thing (btw was it described ever)

((like what it is i mean))

[floral mauve]

Yes

[azure bay]

I have adressed it. His uniform looks either british, american or canadian

[daring spear]

Can anyone tell me what the golden cubes do ? ʕ´• ᴥ•̥`ʔ

[floral mauve]

I think its the product of a clear mind after Dale´s elevator Journey where he became more and more emmmmmmm, pure?

plus I think golden cube is the key of deva

or it is the proof of being deva

[azure bay]

I'm pretty sure it's another form of elixir

It bears its insignia in the book from The Cave

The same insignia on other cubes may indicate them being ingredients for that elixir

[floral mauve]

I thought its a physical item

which anyone can hold it

(but I doubt they can use it)

only Dale

[daring spear]

In one of the game it said it's the key to the future

[floral mauve]

it is

[azure bay]

It's metaphorical

[daring spear]

I see

Thnx

[floral mauve]

the future of the lake

the future of Dale

all about the golden cube

[floral mauve]

if he wants to obtain it, Laura must die

a soul for a soul

[daring spear]

The more I see things realated to rusty lake , the more I understand the amount of effort given to create this masterpiece .

[floral mauve]

it is complicated

thats why I am slightly worried that the devs may not be able to cover every details

[daring spear]

Have faith in them . They might work it out .

[azure bay]

Otherwise theorirts will

[daring spear]

( ╹▽╹ )

[floral mauve]

yes

also I asked the devs today, they said that they will lurk at the discord

(Which I highly doubt so)

[daring spear]

What ?

[floral mauve]

but lets dont go off the topic

[daring spear]

Alright

[floral mauve]

otherwise damy will be here in any minute

[azure bay]

You mean peek at this channel in order to canonize thing or 2?

[floral mauve]

idk

they just said lurk

one sentence

no further info

[daring spear]

Wow .

[azure bay]

Then let's not get overhyped

[floral mauve]

read the rl announcement channel

[floral mauve]

exactly

I doubt they will follow what we think

[daring spear]

So the black cubes are negetive memories ?

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

Usually theories are a free source of content & plot hole feeiling

[daring spear]

The white ones are positive ?

[floral mauve]

emmmm sure?

[daring spear]

And the blue ones ?

[azure bay]

They are connected to time

I assume they are meant to manipulate its flow

[floral mauve]

questionable of its existence and functions

[high talon]

tiem travel

[floral mauve]

doubt

[azure bay]

They do exist. Crow took one from the lake. & assuming that they work only in memories doesn't justify their existence

[daring spear]

Did the blue cube take Detective Dale Vandermeer to his birthday ?

[floral mauve]

yes

sorry I was wrong

the blue one has to do with paradox

hear me out

[high talon]

lol all jokes aside i think the blue cubes are some sort of metaphor for moving on from past traumas (in Dales case his 9th bday)

[daring spear]

I think they make alternative timelines .

[floral mauve]

If Dale chose to save Laura, then the blue cube in Laura´s case (winter) will change the past

so

[floral mauve]

yes

however, personally I think Blue cube only give you some sort of review of your memory

[azure bay]

I don't think Seasons takes place during Paradix

[floral mauve]

winter

only

[azure bay]

Especially winter

[daring spear]

One thing I don't understand . Who is this Laura . I mean I know her character but what is her connection to rusty lake ?

[floral mauve]

william vanderboom

[azure bay]

Since it's dated long after Paradox

[floral mauve]

laura vanderboom

[floral mauve]

thats why Laura can revive after paradox

perhaps lets say

[daring spear]

Is it a character from the premium games ?

[floral mauve]

no

[high talon]

Yes technically

[floral mauve]

The woman

the premium games are about context tbh

[daring spear]

I haven't played the premium

[floral mauve]

but Laura is everywhere

[high talon]

i suggest you look up a play through of Roots then

[daring spear]

Gonna download tomoy

*Tomorrow

[azure bay]

William was mentioned in The Cave. His story was briefly depicted on the mural

[daring spear]

@floral mauve , yes she is always .

@azure bay , yes in the family tree .

[azure bay]

And his lives were on the mural

[floral mauve]

this channel contains too much spoiler, thats why pls play all of the RL games possible

[daring spear]

@floral mauve , I will .

[floral mauve]

can someone specify this in the channel discription otherwise it is too traumatizing for the new player

[azure bay]

(Vader is Luke's father btw)

[daring spear]

@azure bay , where does Luke come from?

[floral mauve]

?

[daring spear]

And Vader tio

[azure bay]

That's just a joke about spoilers

[daring spear]

@azure bay

[covert wyvern]

please do stick to RL in here, than kyou.

[naive sentinel]

so is Laura alive now
like did she really change the past

[royal notch]

One of the biggest question about this story. We don't really know. Everyone has and want different option of that part.

Personally, i WOULD PREFERE that it didn't happen, but nobody has enough evidences to corfirm or deny anything of that winter 1981.

[naive sentinel]

so if this is the case Laura should be one of the corrupted souls in the lake

[royal notch]

What case are you talking about?

[naive sentinel]

^

uh if Laura is dead in this timeline

[daring spear]

So , the corrupted soul that follows Laura , whose is it ?

[floral mauve]

this is not confirmed

[daring spear]

It isn't ❓

[floral mauve]

it could be William, Laura herself, Dale? Laura's own illusion

[daring spear]

Dale sounds more plausible .

[floral mauve]

the least possible case

[daring spear]

But why ?

In Cube Escape : Paradox , it showed his corrupted soul killing Laura

[floral mauve]

I think its either herself committed suicide due to depression or Laura becomes corrupted somehow

[floral mauve]

this is not even happened in real life

[high talon]

I think its just depression maybe a "imaginary """friend"""

[floral mauve]

paradox happened in Dale's mind

[daring spear]

@floral mauve , ohh . I really am dumb .

[floral mauve]

the beginning of the elevator Journey

follows by Birthday and Theatre

[daring spear]

@floral mauve , so it was his journey through his mind .

[floral mauve]

yes

[daring spear]

There will be blood -

And what about the corrupted soul that was staring at Dale at the very end when he got on the elevator again in Threatre .

[high talon]

what about it?Or well him

[daring spear]

@high talon , who was he ?

Where did he come from ?

[high talon]

i assume Bob likely

[daring spear]

Who ?

[high talon]

Robert HIll he was Lauras ||boyfriend||

[daring spear]

@high talon , oh .

What was he doing there ?

[high talon]

Getting drunk he was/got depression after Laura's death/maybe murder

how do i know figure it's him he becomes a ||corrupted soul in theater as seen here||

[daring spear]

@high talon , but it was his journey through his mind

How did he know him .

Oh wait ,

He was in Case 23

Wasn't he ?

[high talon]

Yep

[daring spear]

So that was her boyfriend

[high talon]

Yep

[daring spear]

I thought it was random character

[high talon]

was bcs they ||broke up|| or well she ||broke up|| with him

[covert wyvern]

have you played the white door? @daring spear

worth your time!

[daring spear]

No . I will download all the premiums tomorrow

(✿^‿^)

[covert wyvern]

ahhh you'll find some answers there!

[high talon]

oh heck i should shut my mouth then or i will spoil half the stuff

[daring spear]

Don't worry , I don't mind spoilers that much

[high talon]

mmm still would spoil it rather hard n i dont wanna ruin ur fun lol

[daring spear]

Considered how my sister always spoiled all my stories , this is no big deal .

[high talon]

yeahh but i dont wanna be that guy

[daring spear]

😂😂

[azure bay]

Don't listen to him to full extent. That's just an opinion.

Another opinion you should consider yet not follow completely: Paradox partly reflects the reality. Dale killing Laura scene could also be like that.

[high talon]

tbh everyones welcome to have a theory, lmao who knows we all are likely wrong since the devs could razzle dazzle us

[azure bay]

I can tell more

According to postmodernism, author's ideas are not more important than the reader's ones

Some things author adds unconsciously

Some of his messages change meaning with different circomstances

[high talon]

maybe i dunno tbh im just more of the "whatever theory you have is valid, until the devs say otherwise" long story short:
i cant wait for the past within to burn my headcanons to the ground

[azure bay]

I partly agree with you

[high talon]

good enough for me

[azure bay]

Yet it's often difficult to completely ruin one's headcanon. Since confirmation bias is operating. E.g. people tend to see things that confirm their previous assumptions

[floral mauve]

I am sorry for telling him what I think

[high talon]

huh?no no lmao i hardly care what you think as long as u dont force it onto ppl lmao this wasnt aimed at u

[azure bay]

I don't think you are necessarily wrong. I just think you are a bit unfair.

[floral mauve]

You mean biased

[azure bay]

Yeah, that's a better word indeed

[floral mauve]

But that part should be right isn’t it?

About elevator

[azure bay]

Which part exactly? I was talking exclusively about Dale as a suspect

[floral mauve]

I was saying that paradox is the beginning of the elevator journey and then birthday plus theatre

[azure bay]

That's a pov we share

[floral mauve]

Then why the hell do you say this

[azure bay]

For me Dale killing Laura is as legit as Laura killing herself

[floral mauve]

Oh that part

Bruh

[grizzled bluff]

Keep it polite

[floral mauve]

This is very vague

This part no one has the true answer

[floral mauve]

Sorry Sammy

[grizzled bluff]

👍

[azure bay]

Believe me, he is. We're frieds to some extent

[floral mauve]

Yey

It’s rare to see Sammy here in this channel

[grizzled bluff]

Regardless of personal relationship, there's a certain standard expected in the server. This isn't an invitation to start yelling at each other in DMs, but that is a better place for ''friendly'' angry behavior

Oh, I'm here quite often. I just lurk

[floral mauve]

Spooky

[grizzled bluff]

🙂

[azure bay]

(watching from shadows)

[grizzled bluff]

Anyway, my own theory is that Paradox Dale is a part of an in-universe timesplit and that certain events were rewritten multiple times.

[floral mauve]

Yes

The multiple ending is the start

[azure bay]

Can you explain in more details? I like this kind of themes

[floral mauve]

Hopefully more branches

[grizzled bluff]

We know Paradox has multiple endings. They can't all be true at the same time in the same timeline, so that opens the door for different timelines or for rewrites of one timeline. We also know that some events like Laura's death have been shown in contradictory ways.

So something either allowed for a split of the timeline in 3 (or more) distinct ways, or some mechanism allows for continuous rewrites of the ''main'' timeline
That could even allow for a more literal interpretation of Birthday's events

[floral mauve]

In my opinion, green vial will rewrite Laura’s death and replace it with winter of the seasons

(How can you type that fast bruh)

[grizzled bluff]

I'm a writer 🙂

[floral mauve]

However, the main timeline is kinda fixed since we already see Dale with golden cube

If he decided to sacrifice, there will be no more elevator journey for him

[grizzled bluff]

The chronology is fluid, though. For all we know that's the result of an unseen rewrite or it will be rewritten again (unlikely, but still)

[high talon]

my dyslexia made me read "Dale" as "David" and i was really confused for a second

[grizzled bluff]

It could also just be one timeline out of many.

[floral mauve]

Possibly

[grizzled bluff]

Maybe David's the protagonist in the elevator in those other timelines! XD

[floral mauve]

Multiverse lol

At least the devs already committed that multi timelines exist

[grizzled bluff]

Ayep

[floral mauve]

So I am satisfied

[azure bay]

I see the most of Paradox as a recursion. Dale enters & reenters the same cube deeper & deeper & each time he may act differently. Yet he preserves some physical attributes like a wound.

I'm not really sure what gets rewritten there, according to you.

Can you explain a little bit?

Or do you disagree with smth from above?

[grizzled bluff]

The endings can't all take place in the same world, at the least. So something has got to give

[azure bay]

Do you mean the secret endings?

[grizzled bluff]

All of the endings

Basically, the second not all endings can be achieved in a single playthrough, it means they're not all equally real in the main timeline

[floral mauve]

The physical wound part seems to be a little overread in my opinion

[grizzled bluff]

Could be multiverse, rewrites etc
The reason I'm leaning towards rewrites is The Many Deaths of Laura Vanderboom

[high talon]

that sounds like a really weird novel

[grizzled bluff]

I'm just expecting it to be like Happy Death Day tbh

[floral mauve]

What multiple death

[grizzled bluff]

Lori even kinda looks like her

[high talon]

oh gosh ur right lol

[floral mauve]

I think 2 is kinda garbage but 1 is good

[grizzled bluff]

I don't have them all written down obv, but if you look at the different ways her death is depicted in all of the games
they're not all identicsl

[grizzled bluff]

Off topic, but 2 was too over reliant on the sci fi aspect, I agree. Don't explain the magic. Did like the emotional core

[azure bay]

I think that regular endings are the same & depict the paradox itself: Dale watches other Dale killing Laura no matter the player's perspective. And that repeats constantly until, in my opinion, Dale reaches one of secret endings

[grizzled bluff]

What is a Paradox if not a failed rewrite of the past

Which is never dead

[azure bay]

What exactly gets rewritten?

[grizzled bluff]

That's a ~mystery

[azure bay]

Let's just speak about 2 regular endings for now

[floral mauve]

It is also possible that the entire paradox is just Mr Owl’s manipulation, Dale doesn’t have an actual choice

[grizzled bluff]

But more seriously, you only end up in a Paradox by time traveling to the past to begin with

[high talon]

Mr.Owl gets cancelled 2021

[grizzled bluff]

I don't actually think Dale made a conscious choice, I agree

[floral mauve]

I bet he can’t even live that long if devs don’t do anything

[high talon]

So can we say Mr.Owl gaslights people?

[floral mauve]

?

[grizzled bluff]

Not really. I can't think of any times where he attempts to make people feel insane through prolonged subtle manipulat- actually nvm yeah

[azure bay]

@grizzled bluff Does your theory provide an answer to what is paradox for?

[floral mauve]

The ultimate brainwash

[azure bay]

I really want to hear Sammy's opinion rn

[floral mauve]

Ok

Sorry

[azure bay]

Np

[grizzled bluff]

1. An incidental occurrence related to either the Gold Cube or the Elevator
2. A deliberate manipulation by You Know Who
3. An attempt by Dale to change something, which he promptly forgot after loop 100000000 (if we assume it went on much longer than it appears to us)
4. An attempt by Dale to change something, which he promptly forgot as a consequence of traveling
5. Laura calling out

I am very bad at sticking to one theory, there's a reason I usually just lurk XD

[azure bay]

I actually respect not sticking to 1 option

Well

[floral mauve]

Do we agree that paradox happened in cave right?

[azure bay]

Considering that the room is "a place of relaxation, a place to emty the mind, reflect on the past, the future" & it's filled with Owl's & Crow's guidence I tend to further develop option

2*

[grizzled bluff]

That's currently the likeliest position to me, if we assume everything is as it appears

[floral mauve]

Yes

[grizzled bluff]

Which, I mean
Things rarely are what they appear to be XD

[floral mauve]

If it’s not 2 the golden cube would not appear

[azure bay]

I usually tend to believe what characters say since it's the most reliable source of info we have

[high talon]

The real question is if the past within will:
1)Answer our questions
2)Confuse us more
3)Confuse us more+give us extra questions that confuse us
i go with option 3

[floral mauve]

This is irrelevant to paradox

It’s about the context of the vanderboom

[high talon]

Which Laura is ...XD?

[grizzled bluff]

Maybe not. I certainly didn't expect the latest end credits scene, for example

[azure bay]

That is?

[grizzled bluff]

THe Past Within could very well clarify somet hings, although I'm personally guessing 3

[high talon]

Laura is a Vanderboom, if i recall so...

[grizzled bluff]

||Laura||

[azure bay]

I still donvt get what you mean

[floral mauve]

We are talking about future but you bring up the past

BRUH

[grizzled bluff]

||Samsara||

[azure bay]

Ah

[grizzled bluff]

The Past Within

[azure bay]

Well

[grizzled bluff]

Paradox

[high talon]

But the past is never past, havent you learned?

[azure bay]

Even these phrases have multiple interpretations

[floral mauve]

Even Mr Crow doesn’t have an answer

[grizzled bluff]

Exactl

[high talon]

Nobody does

The biggest twist:Even the devs dont know fully, they just make it up as they go (likely)

[grizzled bluff]

I mean, it's a fairly well known quote. There's plenty of clear interpretations

[azure bay]

Sammy, I'm really interested in your interpretation of Paradox. Unfortunately, the discussion carries us away from it. Don't you mind me DMing you later?

[floral mauve]

I am sorry for being here

Good night

[high talon]

Ah the pain of a large server..XD

[azure bay]

That's not like that

[grizzled bluff]

I'm actually about to go to bed now (23:15), but next time you see me online it's fine. If I don't respond I don't see it

[floral mauve]

I know, no worries

[grizzled bluff]

Black Jesus, you don't need to apologize for being here. You can be forceful, but if you were too much of an issue we'd have you already

The goal is to keep the server friendly, that includes for you

[floral mauve]

I was joking but sure

[grizzled bluff]

Tone can be hard over text XD
I mean it tho

So good night and happy theorizing for whoever continues

[high talon]

Goode nite

[azure bay]

Gn

[daring spear]

I think that someone tried to make an elixir , however for it to be fully formed , he had to take a person but they also have to take its memory . But the elixir not only gave them life but also life to their true self . Like if your character is like a rabbit inside than you turn into a rabbit or something like that . This may explain why the dog never changed . Also if a person's good memory wears off the effect of the elixir wears off , they will become corrupted soul . Which is why there is a white cube too . It can be said that the white cube can work on anyone and the black cube only turns the person it comes from to corrupted soul . ( Something like the thing that is hell for you isn't as much hell to another ) . The combination of these two can give the blue cube which Is why it is really hard to come by because if the black cube comes first , the person is corrupted and forgets all their good memories . The blue cube gives them a chance to undo the past ( which might say the past is never dead , it's not even the past - meaning it alone is never your past , it can become your present with the blue cube which is why there are multiple timelines according to everyone's theory . ) The golden cube might give them a chance of rebirth which is why it is the most rarest .

I don't know if I could explain but pls bear with me.

[covert wyvern]

It's interesting take, that's for sure

[daring spear]

@covert wyvern , thnx (｡•̀ᴗ-)✧

[azure bay]

I have a different set of explanations

[floral mauve]

1. the elixir is never fully formed currently
2. Blue cube is not the combination of black and white cubes
3. Currently, blue cube hasn't changed the past yet (it only lets you to see another possible approach in your memory)
4. How is golden cube related to rebirth, thats what sacrifice do.

but the explaination of Asura form I quite like it

[daring spear]

Oh well atleast one inside it was acceptable .

[floral mauve]

In order to know sacrifice, you gotta play roots and paradise

[daring spear]

Can you read sanskrit ?

[floral mauve]

nope

[daring spear]

I can

[floral mauve]

but we do background story research

BRUH

[daring spear]

I am Indian

[floral mauve]

Then its easy for you to understand samsara

[daring spear]

I know .

[floral mauve]

its just slightly different in RL universe

[covert wyvern]

while I think there is merit in being able to read Sanskrit, do keep in mind the devs are Dutch so I doubt they have a native understanding

translations r always gr8 though

[daring spear]

the cycle of rebirth doesn't really have a fish 😬

[floral mauve]

animal

fish is an animal

[daring spear]

Worm ?

[floral mauve]

CS is preta

[floral mauve]

animal

I am not talking about samsara's room only

its the concept of samsara that exists in the entire series

[daring spear]

The wheel of life

[azure bay]

Rather the inner circles

That may be overlooked by the developers

[daring spear]

indefinitely repeated cycles of birth, misery, and death caused by karma

Is Samsara

[azure bay]

In RL some concepts were altered

[floral mauve]

this is the one we currently using

[azure bay]

There is no literal karma

[daring spear]

Doesn't this bird in the inner Circle look like Harvey ?

[floral mauve]

no, its more like Mr Crow

but sure

[daring spear]

True

[azure bay]

He meant the peacock, didn't he?

[floral mauve]

since its in theatre

[daring spear]

What does the tree show

[floral mauve]

[floral mauve]

if you played seasons and early rusty lake games

red trees

naraka

hell

[daring spear]

Naraka

Hell

I thought of the misty trees

In Dale's memory

[floral mauve]

well it is interesting

since there are two version of trees

normal one and red one

and they are found under the lake

[azure bay]

I assume they may look red because of rusty water

[daring spear]

Actually the karma theory suggests that if you made some one and that can be anyone suffer pain , you will go to hell , get put in a life where you suffer the same and if you were a good person , you could go to heaven and have enternal peace and never again suffer mortal pain .

[daring spear]

Interesting

[azure bay]

1st of all, elixir gives a prolonged life + spiritual boost that may turn you into asura. The thing is, so-called hybrids are more humans than animals. E.g. they are animals mostly by appearance yet they are conscious &, according to the original concept of samsara, don't suffer because of constant hunger & fear like animals do. Yet their appearance may have some totemic meaning.

The boost provided by elixir is likely to depend on consumer's level of consciousness. Humans are conscious, therefore they become asuras. Animals are unconscious, therefore no enlightenment, just prolonged life. And finally Dale with help of Owl becomes super conscious during his elevator adventures, therefore he's to become a deva, as teased in Theatre.

The form of elixir may also differ. Vanderboom bros have created it as a liquid using materialistic ingredients. Caroline took her ingredients from her memories & created some kind of idealistic elixir that boosted Jacob's soul in the afterlife. And Owl himself uses memories of William hidden in Laura's cubes to do mostly the same - just in a vessel that takes form of a golden cube.
Notably, Caroline's elixir formula, according her book, is also meant to result into a cube.

And yeah, black cubes & white ones are memories that may be changed & turn one into another depending on those changes. While the blue one it to rollback & probably fastforwarrd the flow of time

[daring spear]

How did you write so fast dude . Literally ヽ((◎д◎))ゝ

[azure bay]

I was writing it for several menutes.

Just was taking it to a clipboard to write something shorter

[daring spear]

This was a real shocker

[daring spear]

Your theories make sense

[azure bay]

I'd prefer you turning a skeptic mode on & ask sone questions. But, I guess, it's only fair if I do first since your wall of text predates mine

[daring spear]

The concept of Deva is true I think .

As in past of Sanskrit many humans who received enlightenment became god and goddess

[azure bay]

I'm not sure if enlightenment is the same as in Indian mythology

It doesn't mean liberation of samsara

[floral mauve]

I like your second paragraph about consciousness

Reasonable

[azure bay]

It rather gives a more preferable form yet keeps inside the wheel

[daring spear]

all supernatural beings are eitherreferred to Asura a higher being who is like god but not god and deva to someone enlightened . Preta is a ghost with lingering attachment to the mortal world due to negetive feelings towards someone alive .

In Hinduism .

It's not necessarily that

But it is most likely .

[floral mauve]

You need to play all the games in order to follow him

[daring spear]

Preta is also in sanskrit hungry ghost who has greater pains and sufferings than a human

@floral mauve , whom ?

[floral mauve]

Nowhere

His theory

[daring spear]

I see .

[floral mauve]

The last couple paragraphs are very complexed

[daring spear]

I will try to complete all games as soon as possible .

@floral mauve , it sure was

[covert wyvern]

its definitely fine to theorise, but more games played is more knowledge right

[azure bay]

well, the elixir is mostly featured in Roots & Paradise

There's an asura connection between Paradise & Hotel

[daring spear]

Thank you , it's nice to talk to you all but I gotta go and study . Bye (•‿•)

[floral mauve]

Bye

[azure bay]

Good luck out there

[daring spear]

Why do I always see things in other places multiple times after I see them somewhere else ?

Also sorry for posting this here if it is considered wrong to post it here.

[covert wyvern]

it feels a bit off topic

but there IS a term for that^

I just forgot it.

[crude horizon]

isn't that Samsara?

Circle of life and all that?

[real lantern]

Deja vu?

[azure bay]

The right term is samsara wheel

Samsara is the set of rules

The wheel depicts their structure

[daring spear]

@vague imp , that is out of nowhere , but why do you think so ?

In Samsara room you play as William Vanderboom .

😂

That old man wasn't William .

[vapid portal]

i thought it was william's body

[daring spear]

The body was never William's

I was shoked to find out .

[vapid portal]

whose was it then

[daring spear]

Well the whole point of Samsara room was to help William be rebirth as Laura Vanderboom.

Uhh no , it was William .

Wait a sec .

[floral mauve]

？？？？？

what are you guys talking about

[floral mauve]

it was

this guy hasnt played the premium games, so he doesnt understand the context in many cases

[daring spear]

@floral mauve , but wait so who do we play as ?

[floral mauve]

Wiliam

before reincarnation

as Laura

so it was still William

[daring spear]

Ohh I see the thing now

[floral mauve]

tecnically

It is hard to understand Samsara's room if you havent played roots

[daring spear]

So roots has every answer ? Since it's technically say Rusty Lake Roots ?

[floral mauve]

yes

mostly

for Mr Crow and Laura

For Mr Owl, you need to play paradise

[daring spear]

Who is Mr.Owl ?

[floral mauve]

tbh I dont want to make spoiler

go play it

[daring spear]

Ok

Still wanna ask about why would someone shove a body as big as Mr. William's in a grandfather clock . Like bro why ?

[floral mauve]

Ask Mr Crow

I have no idea what he thinks

He knows what to do

[daring spear]

👀

[floral mauve]

tbh all of the vanderbooms like to go to the closet

even Laura

in Mill

[daring spear]

They must like the comfort of closets and closed spaces as that .

[floral mauve]

btw they are all dead in the closet

except Rose I believe

Spoiler

yes

[daring spear]

So the natural borns think closet as their grave ?

[floral mauve]

apparently dead ppl cant put themselves in the closet

[daring spear]

So someone likes putting them in such a grave ?

[floral mauve]

duuno

go play it instead of asking random questions

[daring spear]

This game has hands coming out of nowhere , people feeding each other something and getting something from their mouth in return . And literally kill their families and their lovers . But it will be one of my all time favourite games .

[nocturne yarrow]

I’m just waiting for it to be revealed that Mr. Crow has zero idea what’s actually going to happen and is just doing random stuff he thinks might work

[daring spear]

Mr.Crow has a wife .

@vague imp , well ....... True

[floral mauve]

cant live without them

[daring spear]

I know . Maybe he wanted to say men can really not live with woman like us . 😂

[floral mauve]

but you know what to do

[daring spear]

I do think he is ordered by Mr.Owl .

[floral mauve]

He is, in the Mill

[daring spear]

But he doesn't listen to him and extracts a black cube from Laura .

[floral mauve]

but Mr Owl said balance the lake

he did

so tecnically he listened

Mr Owl just told him to be careful

he didnt say not to extract the black cube

yes

only fresh memory can balance the lake

no matter black or white

[daring spear]

But what was wrong with the cow . Why wasn't he dead ?

His head was rolling in the ground .

[high talon]

nerves sometimes still "live" after you or someone else is beheaded

but you can only do it once

[daring spear]

Ahh so logic is still there.

I thought he was cursed or something

[high talon]

i assume so, i mean (she) could be i dunno about cows but i dont think a male cow would like being ahem, milked

[floral mauve]

I mean its rusty lake duh

everything is cursed more or less

[daring spear]

So I get the elixir , cubes , vanderbooms and eilanders fair enough but what is wrong with that lake . Does it have some supernatural power?

[high talon]

Maybe?

[azure bay]

The Lake is hell or a small diety

Or both

[vague imp]

Arguments?

[azure bay]

The forest on the bottom was defined as naraka in Theatre

Naraka is technically a hell

Yet it doesn't look like hell

Talking about diety, it has power, it has will, Eilanders worshiped it

[royal notch]

In Theathre there's the well. And then there's Naraka, like every other stage.

Yes.

[daring spear]

So then , is Aldous Vanderboom known as Mr.Crow , the father of James Vanderboom ? I think he is because he had a wife . William Vanderboom was his brother and died drinking the elixir , so technically James' uncle died as said in the start of the game.

[shadow yarrow]

I think William Vanderboom is James' uncle, which would make Aldous James' father

[shadow yarrow]

right and then a couple scenes later, James finds William Vanderboom's corpse in the clock

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume William is probably the uncle who died

[royal notch]

This is debatable. Aldous can still be another uncle for James. And this is also more likely, since it's strange that a father send a letter to his son telling him to come to live in his house without even meet him. This is a behaviour used with distant parents, not like father and son.

[daring spear]

Can be distant relationship with his father .

[royal notch]

Still, i would wondering where is him.

And James doesn't seem so worried.

[shadow yarrow]

well if William is dead, Aldous would have already transformed into Mr. Crow, since it's the elixir that killed William, right? if I were suddenly a literal birdbrain halfway to immortality, I'd probably avoid seeing my son in person too lmao

[royal notch]

He can go back in human form. And again, James doesn't seem interested.

I'm only saying that it isn't sure if Aldous is James' dad.

[shadow yarrow]

no yeah I get what you're saying. I just don't think it can be totally ruled out as an impossibility is all

[royal notch]

No, no, i didn't meant that, i'm sorry if i seemed to be rude!

[shadow yarrow]

oh not at all!! and also same, I can come off kinda aggressive sometimes without meaning too oops 😅

[manic cedar]

You could also think that Aldous probably faked his death after becoming an Asura and he’s the owner of the house being passed down to James

We know William isn’t the father of James, so there’d have to be a third brother, but it wouldn’t be impossible

[azure bay]

Bith versions have their problems

"Aldous is father" complicates their relathionship;
"Aldous is uncle" introduces a character with no mentions whatsoever.

For some reason, I don't think that the answer is important. It has no influence on the further plot

[manic cedar]

You think Aldous is actually Theo VanGogh?

[daring spear]

@manic cedar , I think it's highly unlikely .

[floral mauve]

Exactly，If Aldous is the father of James, why would he invite his own son in the name of an uncle

Actually, it is not possible for Aldous to predict whether James is gonna be enlightened or no

what if, he was intended to invite James to join his Asura league LOL

[floral mauve]

(at least the dog joined in the end)

[daring spear]

The dog is the true winner of the whole game .

He didn't get chased by corrupted soul , he didn't need to be reborn , he didn't change his form and also didn't have to go search cubes to change his past . He is simply immortal.

(he didn't need to kill anyone too ! )

[naive sentinel]

but he's not "conscious"
so I wouldn't say he's been benefited if he can't feel happy from living longer

[naive sentinel]

does Aldous has a wife? Is the woman in the mill his wife? If yes, then how could she live so long? (Aldous is 173 years old in the mill so...)

[floral mauve]

exactly

I doubt the dog is happy for living that long

(and his poop is being observed by two weird dudes constantly)

[royal notch]

I think the woman of the mill has always been unaware of the fact that his husband is an immortal being. She just married a man who needed a wife to seem even more normal to the rest of the world.

[floral mauve]

agree

but I think they are getting old

Aldous

in a slower but constant basis

[royal notch]

In any case, James wouldn't have become an enlightened.

[floral mauve]

?

[royal notch]

If his dog would live, he would drink it and then die. This is what happened. If his dog would die, he wouldn't drink it at all, thinking at it as dangerous.

[naive sentinel]

kinda make sense
though the age is still a problem
and I'm suspicious of her identity
she even stitched Aldous' mouth

[royal notch]

The woman is old, but can be way more young compared to him. Also, if he wants to seem a normal man, he can't say he's born in 1799!

[royal notch]

1972-1799=173. Yes, this old.

[floral mauve]

fair enough, but I am saying what Aldous thinks rather than James based

[royal notch]

I think he knows James isn't stupid, and that he would tried it with a "lab rat" first. And so, there wouldn't have been problems. But that's my thought.

I tend to overestimate enlighteneds' preparations, strategies and plans, like if they always had a backup plan for every backup plan.

[shadow yarrow]

Aldous extracts the elixir from the dog sh*t because the dog drank the elixir back in Roots

dog sh*t isn't actually an ingredient

[astral frost]

Exactly

What's more, Aldous needed the elixir periodically

So neither William created the final one

Even if it was powerful enough to let Aldous ascend

Probably

Even if his oldness could be "different" from ours

Since he drank the elixir

[shadow yarrow]

I think so. those occur after the events of Roots, chronologically. and with the elixir not being perfect, he probably does still age

the dog was grown when he drank the elixir though, right?

[astral frost]

Btw the dog didn't die

So he got at least a long life

[shadow yarrow]

I can pull up the game real quick and check

[vapid portal]

im pretty sure the dog physically stayed in the same shape ever since he drank the elixir

[naive sentinel]

it didn't age

[nocturne yarrow]

I like how Mr. Owl needs to drink the elixir repeatedly to sustain himself but the dog just propagates it inside his digestive tract and truly lives forever, absolute madlad

he deserves to be the new ruler of the lake

[azure bay]

I'm sure the elixir would be infinite no matter what. If it would stay inside one's body. But it leaves via defecation.
What's more, it continues giving its effects after reconsumtion. Otherwise the exctract from The Cave would be impossible.

[azure bay]

What would make the elixir final if it stops working only on living one's body by natural means?

[astral frost]

What do you mean?

[azure bay]

You talk about William's elixir as not final one

@astral frost

[astral frost]

Yep

[azure bay]

What do u mean?

[astral frost]

I mean that Aldous and Mr Owl always looked for the final one

And so they hoped that William's one would have been the final one

But it wasn't, since they periodically need it

[azure bay]

I think I know the reason why they periodically need it

& that reason is only natural

For this reason the extract from The Cave is possible in the 1st place

[astral frost]

So why looking for the "final" elixir?

I would say to preserve their life, at least

[azure bay]

The thing is, I'm pretty sure they are looking for AN elixir since they have none

They never called it final

They called it "full"

There's a difference

& this difference allows another interpretation

All they have is literally a shitty extract

It's much less concentrated than a newly brewed drink

Therefore, not full

[astral frost]

Right

This would mean they got the full one when William created it

But they've never replied it

[azure bay]

I assume they've lost the formula

[astral frost]

• they are unable to create it

Caroline and William experimented many time, I think

Owl and Crow seem unable to do something similar

You're right!

[azure bay]

I hope so

There's a little problem

Aldous was also referred to as an alchemist

I expect him to help William

[astral frost]

I always thought of Aldous as a profiteer

[azure bay]

Not sure

I always thought that there was no predetermined destiny about which of them dies

Maybe I'm wrong

But if so they are expected to be somehow equal

Either performing each his own research since "alchemists work alone", according to IRL rumors

Or he was working on something else

For example, a mean to revive the unlucky one

[astral frost]

That wouldn't be an important reason to avoid researching on the elixir, in my opinion

If you're interested in the full elixir, but you don't know how to make it, you would start experimenting

Aldous just accompanied William's rebirth, then he started working on Mr Owl's plan

[azure bay]

I assume he helped Owl since his ascention

He was just helping William on his free time

[daring spear]

Can anyone tell me who is actually the lady of the lake . She appeared in Cube Escape : Threatre , Rusty Lake Hotel and The White Door .

Who is she ?

[ebon aspen]

Theres no 100% true answer, but considering those 3 games, we can say that she at least has a connection with ms pheasant

[daring spear]

I too think so .

What are the odds ?

[ebon aspen]

I usually work with plausible/non plausible, mathematizing the odds is kinda hard when we are talking about rl

But its a plausible thing

[azure bay]

She shares a ton of vibes with Ms. Pheasant. So I see 3 options:

1. It's her human form (or mask) from the past.
2. It's her reincarnation from the future
3. It's just an actress who plays either Pheasant or one of her former roles

[daring spear]

I have a question which animal mask did Elizabeth ( is that what Jacob's sister's name is ? ) wear ?

[azure bay]

It was pheasant indeed, why?

@daring spear

[daring spear]

I thought the lady of the lake from Threatre , Ms. Pheasant in hotel were the other forms of Elizabeth.

I know I am dumb just thought a "what if? " kind of question.

I also thought that David had other forms of Mr.Rabbit from Birthday and the Magician Rabbit from Rusty Lake Hotel .

Mrs. Pigeon is Margaret ( grandmama )

Mr.Boar is Herald .

(or something was his name I don't remember )

And Mr.Deer is Nicholas .

If going with your theory that Jacob and Caroline fused together to become Mr.Owl , well it would be understandable why he would kill them by Harvey right ? Or I am idiot to think so .

[floral mauve]

You are thinking more or less correct

But they aren’t exactly the same

You can see it from their personalities

Elizabeth is different

So it’s like reincarnation

Resetting memory

[daring spear]

I see.

[floral mauve]

I tend to think Mr Owl killed them due to other reasons

Since Mr Owl doesn’t seem to care much about his own past or show any significant emotion about it

Maybe he wants to do some experiment with black cube or CS?

[daring spear]

CS?

[cerulean crypt]

Corrupted soul

[daring spear]

I think he just wants to reach the final stage of Samsara .

I mean if I remember correctly there was 1 picture that just had a question mark

He wants Dale to take that role .

As a higher state of consciousness .

[naive sentinel]

in paradox chapter 2 if you give Mr. Owl the future brain, he'll be turned to a fish
so I assume that he can't reach the final stage by his own, maybe he wants to help Dale to do so and then blend their souls together like Caroline's soul blended into his

[floral mauve]

not really since he is getting weaker and possibly unable to possess the golden cube

[floral mauve]

btw if you observe it later own, this will have a gold colour on the glass

which I believe is referring to the golden cube

[daring spear]

Lol is it this one ?😂

[floral mauve]

I think so.....

that might be Mr Owl

[daring spear]

This is definitely cursed

[floral mauve]

Mr fish

since he likes cigar

[daring spear]

Ohh , btw remember in rusty lake hotel he loved the cigar

[floral mauve]

Thats what I am trying to say

[daring spear]

There is a connection somewhere

[floral mauve]

paradox

[daring spear]

Also I recently played White Door . In day 6 , you can see the recreation box has a miniature him and was staring at him . And In Harvey's box the fruit led to somewhere like that. Does this have connection somewhere ?

[floral mauve]

what?

I dont understand what you are talking about

[daring spear]

Uhhh give me a minute .

Can you understand ?

[floral mauve]

I dont remember that detail about Harvey's box but I dont think so

since the time doesnt match

[astral frost]

This scene represents the time skip in Harvey's box

You can notice different walls through the holes in the box, before and after the "travel through the fruit"

Harvey was in Laura's room at first, then he went to the Cabin

[vapid portal]

im late in the lady of the lake discussion but doesnt it say in case 23 that its caroline

[astral frost]

It was a ret-con

[astral frost]

That wasn't meant to be an actual character in the lore in Case 23

it was just a reference to a real painting

after many games that character became real in RL lore

Marked as a spoiler since there's the head of John the Baptist cut away (replacing the cube) 😬

[azure bay]

I assume they set in stone The Lady of The Lake character as a historical figure without setting in stone her background before inventing Caroline

[leaden moss]

Honestly, it looks better with a black cube

[burnt grove]

So like

Are all the games connected or?

[azure bay]

They at least take place in the same universe

some games are origin stories for certain characters

TWD is a personal story of a background character

[burnt grove]

I know

It's Rob's story correct?

[azure bay]

yeah

notably the one we may've witnessed in CE series

[burnt grove]

So like... ||Is Laura the baby at the end of Samsara room?||

[azure bay]

yes, and that was known long before Samsara Room

[burnt grove]

Bc it lines up with the ending of roots/cave

[azure bay]

yes

[burnt grove]

I didn't know so I'm asking

[azure bay]

SR deepens the Roots ending

[burnt grove]

I see

So the timeline would be "theoretically"

Paradise
↓
Roots/Hotel
↓
Samsara room
↓
Cube escape/white door
↓
Paradox

[azure bay]

I'm quite sure Paradox takes place alongside The Cave before Bday & Theatre

[burnt grove]

Paradox is confusing

[azure bay]

heck it is

That makes it one of the best games imho

not only that ofc

[shadow yarrow]

I think Paradox is right after The Cave. I think maybe the ending of Cave, with Mr. Crow sending Dale up the elevator with the golden cube, is what leads to Dale waking up in Paradox. lots of the achievements in both games seem to point to that

[azure bay]

no, Paradox takes place while Dale being connected to the machinery

the secret ending of ch2 repeats the ending of The Cave during which Dale was still sleeping

e.g. his mind adapted the events taking place around him to fit his so-called dream

[floral mauve]

The one ending that Dale obtains the golden cube is the time when he starts his elevator ride in the Cave

Just want to clarify

[burnt grove]

So like

Is Albert the deer or is it the father from Paradise? Is it both of them?

[ebon aspen]

at least connected with nicholas, and some may say albert is the reincarnation of the former

[nocturne yarrow]

the symbol/role has been connected to those two independently, and also seems like it's being connected to Dale as well. The role doesn't seem to be able to be used by two people at once.

not to mention Mr. Deer himself

[burnt grove]

Judging by that information it seems the Deer is the second most important roll next to Owl, but there only ever seems to be one owl.

It seems the Deer is the mover of Fate, the pusher of events it seems

[royal notch]

It's opposite at the owl's stage, is it dev or i'm wrong?

[azure bay]

I don't think it's possible

[azure bay]

Nicolas is likely to be reborn as Mr. Deer since he predated him unlike Albert

Horisontal scale measures time, vertical - RL releases

The left part of the graph is mostly about RL premium games

You can clearly see that Hotel takes place during Roots after Albert grown up

& Paradise takes place looong before both of them

[azure bay]

Devs, I assume, are not defined by their look but their abilities

Another thung, devs & asurs are not opposite, they are pretty close

I think they look alike

Since Dale is foretold to become one & has already an established deer look, while Deer isn't more powerfull than Owl

[royal notch]

No, no, i meant they're opposite on the whell.

[azure bay]

That's not the case for 2/3 wheel depictions

The 3гd one is just confusing

The one you are referring to

It's either wrong or means something different

[royal notch]

3D? What whell in 3D? And i was talking about the one in Paradise.

[ebon aspen]

I think crafter meant the 3rd wheel

[azure bay]

👆

[daring spear]

Trying to explain and understand Time Changing or Looping universes can make people's brain some crazy shit .

Like mine

[azure bay]

There are just points in time people return to either by entering cubes or dreaming

[daring spear]

All the more reason for both the people from that universe and us to get confused whether this is reality/alternate reality/dreams .

[azure bay]

This scheme is not for thinking what's real & what's not. It's about time reference

It helps to understand when certain events take place in relation to the others

[floral mauve]

Imagine the vanderboom family can visit the hotel every month for a nice family dinner and probably Christmas dinner as well

That might explain the room 6 key

[real lantern]

Or... ya know, it could just be a room for when the hotel is working as an actual hotel, not for mr.owl's murder plans

We dont see it because there aren't enought eilanders

[high talon]

or its the room where the staff sleeps

[real lantern]

I think if it was that it wouldnt have a number, it would just have like a "staff only" sign

[high talon]

lmao true unless they are too lazy to change it

[floral mauve]

I just realised that tecnically the giant white cube is at the -1 floor of the hotel right?

or maybe the hotel has more than one elevator

[floral mauve]

that seems way more deeper than -1

[nocturne yarrow]

I like this theory, that seems like it could be what that button refers to, even if it’s unlikely due to depth.

[normal ravine]

Hello

would anyone like to chat about theories

[naive grove]

What kind of theories?

[covert wyvern]

Good morning tis I

The moderator

Or well one of em

@normal ravine you okay?

[azure bay]

Seems to be a bot. Or at least a very confused person

[azure bay]

1. I'm pretty sure that the elevator used by Harvey & the one used by Dale are the same

2. If the elevator can be evoked from the white cube then it has to have its own button & a number.

3. -1 is usually a designation for the closest floor under the ground one no matter the actual distance.

Conclusion: The big cube IS -1st floor. Therefore, it's the CLOSEST floor under the ground one even tho the whole lake separates them. Therefore, there is NO other floors between them, at least for exactly that elevator.

[floral mauve]

Good morning 🥱

Thanks for the confirmation

[daring spear]

Is this true ? 👀

[covert wyvern]

Lmao I hope not

[high talon]

Tbh unless the devs confirm it i call them all fanmade HC's

[daring spear]

I hope it's not true too 😬

[high talon]

Doubt they would go down that line esp in the modern day

[covert wyvern]

Honestly it was all a dream would be a terrible conclusion to this all

[high talon]

Yeahh sounds too easy to explain everything imho, n i feel ppl would be mad

[azure bay]

I'd like to read what this person thinks of Roots & Paradise

What about Bob's story?

About the arc of Sarah's rebellion?

The universe is too profound already to be a product of a single insane mind

[floral mauve]

exactly

there are so many objective evidences rather than an insane mind made everything up

[daring spear]

This fits more as a universe of something really deep .

[daring spear]

Isn't the sheet the same as Laura's dress design ?

[high talon]

Indeed

[daring spear]

Well I was having a question , is Aldous Vanderboom also Dale's grandpa ? They both look a lot alike and the family name , "Vanderboom" and "Vandermeer" sound a lot alike.

So maybe he started another family ?

😕

[covert wyvern]

I believe they're different people.

But that's just a personal thino.

[daring spear]

And also the birthday song , "the lake suite" is the one played in roots during the final dance of Rose and Frank

[covert wyvern]

Thing***

Name wise, though, of course, maybe dale's mother is a Vanderboom

[daring spear]

True I guess , can't jump to conclusions .

[grizzled bluff]

Their surnames have the same root, like how a lot of English surnames have ''son'' at the end. They're respectively from the tree and from the lake

So no inherent connection, but who knows?
👀

[covert wyvern]

A very solid point too, I reckon.

[daring spear]

Wow I saw just now someone say,

Vanderboom means of the tree.
Vandermeer means of the lake.

[grizzled bluff]

Yep, it's Dutch!

[daring spear]

Hi then .

Shall we continue

[ivory girder]

dale's grandpa also has the gin tonic recipe in his pocket in birthday

[daring spear]

Wait a sec forgot it fully 😞

I mean what are the odds .

[covert wyvern]

He could be a regular at the theatre,

But I admit they're some interesting connections

[ivory girder]

i always think that what happened in birthday is planned because as u see when mr. rabbit shot the whole family, dale's grandpa is still rocking his chair and when dale turned back time dale's grandpa already know what will happen which could mean he's faking his death so that dale could be a homicide detective

[daring spear]

Was there any map anywhere in paradox that pointed to Dale's house or something ? I mean there in the globe I remember seeing a place marked Laura's land .

And Harvey Island

[covert wyvern]

The map in paradox is not really believable, if you ask me.

It's an amalgamation of Dale's thoughts, not something geographical.

[daring spear]

Ahh makes sense

Why it would show a journey .

Possibly the journeys he did to reach Rusty Lake

[covert wyvern]

Possibly because the games needed a puzzle

And I'd argue traversing the mind is its own journey.

[daring spear]

Good one

[ivory girder]

u see when we reach to the end of the journey we always stop at rl hotel and it's on land not in the middle of the lake

so i think the map in there is just a puzzle

[daring spear]

My dreams of dark town existing shattered 🥲

[ivory girder]

i mean the places might be canon tho because it's his memories

[daring spear]

I hope so too 🥲

[covert wyvern]

A dark town can also be any town, at night.

Perhaps during a blackout

Maybe dale had a case in a particularly dark neighborhood one day.

[high talon]

Unrelated to the convo going on but:

So about Harvey being trans, i think the metaphor is more of him (i believe Harvey is FtM) transitioning maybe while you get enlightened it also fulfills your wishes sometimes or maybe Harvey (anyone) can choose their gender upon doing so.Like i said i dunno if this is self reflection kicking in for me but i believe it just happened for Harvey to be born in a female body but with a male brain (from what i heard it can happen) but due to the times, it just happened that they kept it under wraps.

Not gonna force it down ppls throats tho maybe you all see it differently n that's valid

[ivory girder]

idk i think the whole gender thing is because of the elixir