#🤔｜theories | Rusty Lake | Page 106

cerulean crypt Apr 20, 2021, 1:04 PM

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Also what a forest stage means?

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:04 PM

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Ok ok I understand what you are saying

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:04 PM

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hell

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:05 PM

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The wheel doesn't mean you have to be reborn into an adjacent stage

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:05 PM

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ah

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so is it a karma thing then

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:05 PM

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There are specific conditions to be reborn in a particular stage

cerulean crypt Apr 20, 2021, 1:06 PM

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Maybe '?' is where Dale is in PAradox?

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:06 PM

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according to buddhism and the sanskirt in theatre

cerulean crypt Apr 20, 2021, 1:06 PM

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What will make some sense

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:06 PM

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? is deva

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:06 PM

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stable wigeon so is it a karma thing then

In the real Samsara yes, while Rusty Lake's one is different

cerulean crypt Apr 20, 2021, 1:06 PM

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So on what stage is Dale?

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:07 PM

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ok ok

cerulean crypt Apr 20, 2021, 1:07 PM

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He isn't human right now

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and he isn't a animal person

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:07 PM

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that was my confusion i dont know what parts are real in RL universie or not

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but that makes more sense cause it seems to be more about taking care of the lake than about karma

cerulean crypt Apr 20, 2021, 1:08 PM

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Dale is on that questin mark

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:08 PM

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yeah its implied

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dale is to reach enlightenment

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:09 PM

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stable wigeon but that makes more sense cause it seems to be more about taking care of the lak...

Well, for example Humans who have a severe memory loss, sometimes associated with a trauma, become CS

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Humans who reach enlightenment become Demigods

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I mean this

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It's not everything about karma

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:09 PM

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yeah i get that

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but its interesting considering how william "cheated" and as a reault her life as laura was pure hell

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but thats probably speculation

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:10 PM

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Maybe the karma influences the "normal cycle of life and death"(aka when you die and you'll become an Animal for your bad behavior)

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:10 PM

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stable wigeon but thats probably speculation

Yes, mine too

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:11 PM

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well the black and white cubes

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:11 PM

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stable wigeon but its interesting considering how william "cheated" and as a reault her life a...

IN FACT, William is the only one who doesn't fit in the "memory loss" theory

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:11 PM

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i was wondering if the white cube was from william and the black one was from laura

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wait really

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laura knows?

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:11 PM

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stable wigeon laura knows?

About what?

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:12 PM

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her past life as william?

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:12 PM

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Oh

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:12 PM

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BEFORE she was corrupted?

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:12 PM

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I don't think so

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I think that her mind contained some old memories

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But she wasn't aware of that

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:12 PM

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well that seems to be triggered by the egg

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:13 PM

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stable wigeon well that seems to be triggered by the egg

Whatever the egg is

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But yes

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:13 PM

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well

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i have an idea

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the black cube came from the egg

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an identical egg to the one thaf caused William's death

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what's more

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Harvey was found by laura at the lake

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:14 PM

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stable wigeon Harvey was found by laura at the lake

We don't know that info

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:14 PM

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oh

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:14 PM

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Where Laura and Harvey met

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:14 PM

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still

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a bad memory from an egg

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same egg william died to

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:15 PM

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A resemblance to the moment of William's death

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:15 PM

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seems to have triggered it

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:15 PM

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Yes

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It's cool

royal notch Apr 20, 2021, 1:16 PM

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"We're finally back to where all started: Harvey's egg."!

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:16 PM

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Where all started = Laura starting to remember something

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And this led finally to her death

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:28 PM

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something else i dont quite get

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why does dale find his memories in the lake

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they are still supposedly in his head right lol

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itd make sense if they are memories of a previous life

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but they are his current memories right?

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also the blue cube im confused whose cube that is cuz he didnt change his memory until after he was on the way back up from the lake; yet in the cave you use a blue cube while he was down there to make the gold one

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and laura didnt get hers until 81 or something right

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also obv if she did dale wouldnt be there so it cant be hers

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:37 PM

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We suppose Dale's memories are extracted in Cave's ending

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Blue cube's origin wasn't explaines yet, btw it just looks like a tool to "change the past" (whatever it means)

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And we don't know what really happened in 1981

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The only infos we have are from Seasons

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Which isn't so reliable/literal in its meanings

cerulean crypt Apr 20, 2021, 1:42 PM

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But Blue cube littelary changes the past
Dale use it to prevent "birthday masaacre"
Laura use it to travel to past in sesons and take "substance of her past lifes"

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:48 PM

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see i thought laura GOT the cube after changing the past

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also is the whole balancing the substance is that to reach enlightenment or to escape hell

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:49 PM

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stable wigeon see i thought laura GOT the cube after changing the past

She didn't change the past untile she found the blue cube

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:49 PM

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oh

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:49 PM

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If I'm not wrong you get the blue cube the first time you reach 1981

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:50 PM

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hmm

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:50 PM

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cerulean crypt But Blue cube littelary changes the past Dale use it to prevent "birthday masaac...

Someone, like me, think that you can't literally change the past and fixing traumas, but only changing your memories about it

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Creating something like a "what if"

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:51 PM

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well

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:51 PM

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I think that Laura won't prevent her suicide, but only modify her memories about it

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:51 PM

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i dont agree totally

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isnt that what paradox is about

cerulean crypt Apr 20, 2021, 1:51 PM

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This is what Dale do in elevator ride

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:51 PM

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if she changed her past she would never meet dale

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or

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:52 PM

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Exactly

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:52 PM

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hed never meet her corpse

real lantern Apr 20, 2021, 1:52 PM

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What do you mean by "the egg that killed william"?

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:52 PM

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kekw

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:52 PM

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That's what I say

cerulean crypt Apr 20, 2021, 1:52 PM

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She never met dale

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:52 PM

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in RL roots

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:52 PM

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If you can really change the past, your relationships with other people would change

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:52 PM

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the elixir you make is with the egg

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:53 PM

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So, no one would remember Laura's suicide or Dale's family massacre

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:53 PM

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astral frost If you can really change the past, your relationships with other people would ch...

yea so thats why theres the paradox

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:53 PM

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But that's it

real lantern Apr 20, 2021, 1:53 PM

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Didnt we agree that the secret level in roots is more simbolic?

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:53 PM

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well

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i dont understand the symbolism of the egg

real lantern Apr 20, 2021, 1:53 PM

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After my joke anwser at the question "what do you think the elixir tastes like" "egg"

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:53 PM

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lol

cerulean crypt Apr 20, 2021, 1:53 PM

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But we don't know is that a really suicide

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:54 PM

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stable wigeon yea so thats why theres the paradox

And this is the reason why I don't believe in time travel in Rusty Lake series

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:54 PM

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cerulean crypt But we don't know is that a really suicide

in the cave you witness her slitting her throat

real lantern Apr 20, 2021, 1:54 PM

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Not realy simbolism, but just a way to show the alchemy part of the alchemist brothers

cerulean crypt Apr 20, 2021, 1:54 PM

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I don't remember that

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:54 PM

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astral frost And this is the reason why I don't believe in time travel in Rusty Lake series

But I come to the opposite conclusion somehow lol

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:55 PM

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real lantern Not realy simbolism, but just a way to show the alchemy part of the alchemist br...

yea i was just connecting 2 dots cuz other than that I have no explanation for the egg in seasons

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:56 PM

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stable wigeon But I come to the opposite conclusion somehow lol

Can you explain your pov?

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:56 PM

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i should be sleeping

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but i give up

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ok

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:56 PM

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Ok no no ahahah

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:56 PM

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nah its cool

real lantern Apr 20, 2021, 1:56 PM

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I think we should pull a page from FNAF's book and start disregarding info from the older games

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 1:56 PM

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Take some rest

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:57 PM

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real lantern I think we should pull a page from FNAF's book and start disregarding info from ...

doesnt mean u should completely disregard it

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so basically what is the point of paradox if nothing physically changes her changing her past

real lantern Apr 20, 2021, 1:58 PM

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Maybe disregarding isnt the right word, more like "if we get conflicting theorys or things that dont make sense we shouldnt use the very first game as a solution to a huge theory"

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:59 PM

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real lantern Maybe disregarding isnt the right word, more like "if we get conflicting theorys...

but im not resolving conflicts of any sort like i said

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connecting 2 dots

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 1:59 PM

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stable wigeon so basically what is the point of paradox if nothing physically changes her chan...

if she remembers it differently why does it matter if she changed her past memories

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it matters if she ACTUALLY changed her past

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 2:00 PM

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No no I was saying another thing

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Let me explain

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If you really change an event in the past, it will change also for other people.
If you change your memory about that event, it will change just for you

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 2:02 PM

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with you on that

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 2:04 PM

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Usually time travels theories come with timelines splits

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Right now, we would have already 4 timelines

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 2:04 PM

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well it kinda is seen that way by some of the fandom

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 2:04 PM

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2 generated when Laura changed her past, 2 generated when Dale changed it

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So mainly it's because I think it would be over -complicated

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 2:05 PM

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stable wigeon well it kinda is seen that way by some of the fandom

Well, we are part of the fandom and we are still discussing about a non-ended series

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So there's nothing certain

cerulean crypt Apr 20, 2021, 2:06 PM

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But game follow only one timeline

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 2:06 PM

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Neither my theories

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What's more, I think that Dale's Birthday will reach a good ending only in his memories

cerulean crypt Apr 20, 2021, 2:08 PM

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There is paper abot massacre in one game

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 2:08 PM

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For the rest of the world, it will remain a made in the news

azure bay Apr 20, 2021, 3:59 PM

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If Dale changes just his memories, doesn't it mean that he lives in delusions from then on & his actions are unimportant?

ebon aspen Apr 20, 2021, 5:25 PM

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~~its just a fever dream of dale's after the case23 investigation~~

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 7:10 PM

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Dale changes his memories in order to fix his traumas

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In my opinion

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The goal of CS is not to live in a mental illusion where traumas never happened

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They only want to fix them

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To DEFEAT them

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Face your demons

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The point is not to forget

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Is to overcome

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That's what happen with Laura, Dale, Bob

azure bay Apr 20, 2021, 8:37 PM

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Bob's case was different because he just had to remember one key lesson. There was no entering the cubes, no blue cube usage

azure bay Apr 20, 2021, 8:43 PM

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astral frost Dale changes his memories in order to fix his traumas

the fact is that all the memories are expected to be reformed one by one, as it was clearly indicated in Seasons. Therefore, those memories are false, considering no real changes

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therefore, his life becomes a big delusion

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Laura's case seems to be even more weird here

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did her throat heal because she convinced herself that she never died?

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or is she still a ghost that sees herself alive?

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 9:03 PM

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Laura should theoretically become something else, since she died

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Even if we saw her Human form in 1981

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But this is a too long shot

azure bay Apr 20, 2021, 9:04 PM

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what is?

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 9:05 PM

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Something we won't be sure until that game which will come in years

azure bay Apr 20, 2021, 9:06 PM

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why again do you ignore the notes that directly cry to change the past in Seasons?

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 9:07 PM

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Because it's Seasons dude

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I'm just still a bit skeptical about its role in the saga

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And about what it shows us

azure bay Apr 20, 2021, 9:08 PM

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any idea why else would they be placed there?

astral frost Apr 20, 2021, 9:16 PM

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I'm just sure that it tells Laura's story

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But, since Case 23, we already know that it isn't so reliable

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That's the only reason why I'm careful in talking about time travels

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But I didn't exclude them

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 11:22 PM

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sorry my phone died lol

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then i crashed

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but nowherecaw p much summed up my arguments so nm

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just was gonna mention how Bob supposedly shot himself in two different locations; hence potentially 2 different timelines. It wouldnt make much sense otherwiese

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and i dont believe his death in theatre was metaphorical since extracting the memories turned him into a CS

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i dont remember about his death in TWD as much i gotta go thru that again

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it seems like in theatre Dale helped induce his suicide (when he revisited that memory)

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and i dont recall Dale being present in the suicide scene in TWD but this also raises the possibility that the suicide in theatre wasnt "real" but idk I still think it is

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if it is then there must be 2 timelines

stable wigeon Apr 20, 2021, 11:31 PM

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astral frost 2 generated when Laura changed her past, 2 generated when Dale changed it

Also I am not considering Laura's changes because her changes happened after p much after all the other events; and her changes got reversed in paradox for this very reason of creating a timeline where dale doesnt find the lake

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so her changes didnt rlly happen imo since they were reversed

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so to me the time travel in this game is linear in that

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the event of changing a timeline overwrites the previous one hence a linear occurrence of these changing timeline events

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 5:53 AM

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Most of Dale's actions and visions in Theatre could be alterations of the original event.

I doubt that Mr. Owl taught him that samsara lesson when he was just a random guy

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Then, Bob doesn't have to die. The shots like that are pretty possible to survive. Alternatively, it could even be an illusion since we don't see any scar left

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In TWD Dale is present in a secret scene tho. No idea what he was doing after the shot tho

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If Laura's changes canceled Dale's story, Paradox has no chance to happen

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I prefer not to use "plastic history" time travel theory that heavily relies on the butterfly effect

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One of the reasons - grandfather paradox that may take different forms in RL

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:04 AM

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azure bay Most of Dale's actions and visions in Theatre could be alterations of the origin...

yea thats what i mean

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it seems like dale is a factor in pushing bob to suicide before he would have later in his life

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:05 AM

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It was not the case in TWD

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:06 AM

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thats what i mean

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if dale didnt go back he would of ended up going to TWD

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but if he killed himself in 72

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he wouldnt have ever been to twd

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:07 AM

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Bare in mind that in TWD the shot took place as well

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:07 AM

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ik but again i believe timeline has changed

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:07 AM

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It was Mr. Crow who offered a "solution"

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:08 AM

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it makes the most sense to me that dale replaced that timeline when he caused him to kill himself in theatre

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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I have 2 questions

What exactly did Dale do to make Bob shoot hinself?
Why the shot caused by Dale would kill Bob & the one caused by Crow wouldn't?

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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it would

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he died both times

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but the second timeline i believe replaced that

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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But he's clearly alive

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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when

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didnt theatre take place before twd

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:11 AM

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The thing is that Bob in TWD gets a flashback of that shot. E.g. it was a legit memory

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:11 AM

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right right

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oh so it was all a flashback?

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oh fudge

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forget i said anything

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:12 AM

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There are 2 possibilities of how Bob survived

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:12 AM

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it seems he just became a cs

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 6:14 AM

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Shot miss?

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:14 AM

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uh

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you put your finger

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in the hole

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lol

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 6:15 AM

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Shot don't reach the brain?

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:15 AM

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in theatre

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you go inside his brain

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kekw

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you go inside the hole to take the memories from the brain

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:15 AM

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the shots like that are not that lethal. It could also be a reason for his amnesia due to braindamage.
Owl used some magic either to heal him or the shot was an illusion from the start.

It's confirmed that Owl was interested in Bob, so killing him would bring a ton of harm. What's more, a "solution" Crow offered to Bob eventually lead him to the real solution presented by the institute

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:16 AM

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he was interested in Bob's memories though right

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:16 AM

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stable wigeon you put your finger

The Lost Soul is Bob's fever dream

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:17 AM

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he would need to be dead to have his memories extracted

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:17 AM

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azure bay The Lost Soul is Bob's fever dream

yeah ik that was just a dream but i think that still shows him remembering getting shot

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:18 AM

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stable wigeon he would need to be dead to have his memories extracted

Nah, memory extraction from lively bodies seems to be the case

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:18 AM

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stable wigeon he would need to be dead to have his memories extracted

which is what happens in theatre dale takes his memories

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 6:18 AM

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But this is what TWD do to Bob

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They extract his memoreies when he is sleeping

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:18 AM

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but again

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:18 AM

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cerulean crypt But this is what TWD do to Bob

TWD did the opposite they were placing memories back

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:18 AM

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in theatre you take them from him as dale

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and i refuse to believe theatre was metaphorical

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it is portrayed as an actual event

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an actual cube

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 6:20 AM

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Welcome to the theatre of your mind

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no clue that this is methafore

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:20 AM

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fair point

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lol

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but the entirity of taking bob's memories away

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and then immediately following he turns into a cs

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:21 AM

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The cubes Dale return to seem to be heavily altered by Owl.
In BD there is no way the machine would be present. In Theatre there are seemingly 5 more plays then it was announced on the poster in TWD

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:22 AM

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stable wigeon and then immediately following he turns into a cs

why would that be part of his mind

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idk the corrupting of the body just seems too important

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:22 AM

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What exactly?

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:22 AM

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especially Bob's cs watching dale

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go up the elevator

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:23 AM

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azure bay What exactly?

Bob's soul gets corrupted after dale extracts his memories

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maybe it didnt happen all like portrayed

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but I definitely believe the player removing the memories is an actual event

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:24 AM

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I guess, Dale wouldn't witness that during his original theater visit

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:24 AM

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yea ik

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thats for sure

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:24 AM

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I want to underline one thing

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The events of The Lost Soul have some parallels with Theatre

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it seems to take place inside his head while he was still sitting in the bar
"memories drifting by" looks a lot like memry extraction (not necessarily performed by Dale)
eventual but not instant corruption

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:28 AM

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ok makes sense

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i guess it boils down to

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who did it

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which I can't say for certain it was dale because there is little proof of that

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:29 AM

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May I make something clear for myself?

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 6:29 AM

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Who exstract most memories?

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and is also shown in theatre

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:29 AM

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true

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crow is a likely candidate

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:30 AM

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It could be Crow, it could be Owl. That's not important I guess

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:30 AM

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its interesting though

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:30 AM

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azure bay May I make something clear for myself?

@stable wigeon

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:30 AM

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what yea

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lol im waiting u to finish typing

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:32 AM

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So you do believe that there's a single timeline that gets changed each time someone decides to enter the cube, am I right?

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:32 AM

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p much

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unless

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you don't make changes

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like seasons the first time up until the last level

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you just experience them again

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:33 AM

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That's called "plastic history theory of time travel" and it has a big flaw

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:33 AM

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ouch

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all fictional time travels have flaws

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except

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the one that is completely circular

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but that was is really boring

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most realistic also most boring imo

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:34 AM

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The one with chronoclasms?

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:34 AM

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idk wym by thaat

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i dont know lingo

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but im saying the most realistic time travel in fiction

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is like all the paradoxes already happened

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basically the time travel theory that sticks to a single predetermined fate

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i think that one is hard to make interesting though

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despite it being the most logical imo

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:37 AM

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stable wigeon basically the time travel theory that sticks to a single predetermined fate

like traveling in time doesnt change anything because it already happened it just shows how you got to where you are

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:37 AM

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A good example of chronoclasm: Titanic drowned because many time travellers wanted to witness the event & caused an overload.

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:38 AM

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yeah yeah

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that

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but purely due to

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paradox

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I dont think that is the one that we see in this universe

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there wouldn't be a decision

vague imp Apr 21, 2021, 6:38 AM

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azure bay A good example of chronoclasm: Titanic drowned because many time travellers want...

Lmao thats the biggest "fuck you" ever

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:38 AM

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because it is already predetermined

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:39 AM

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What's your problem with creating alternate timelines during time travel? That completely resolves the grandfatger paradox

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:40 AM

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well

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for one

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really lol

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just paradox

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i mean the game

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paradox the game

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there is a decision to be made

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that will determine both the future and the past

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so the most likely form of time travel we are talking imo is whatever u called it

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plastic history theory

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do you think its chronoclasm?

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:42 AM

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First I'd like you to explain in what way it would change the past

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I've got an impression that we see Paradox very differently

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:42 AM

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you mean cube escape paradox

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yeah i guess

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i thought it was Dale deciding whether to save Laura's life or not

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and Ive read things similar to what I believe but i guess i prob didnt research enough

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still

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isnt it about Dale deciding whether to prevent Laura from killing herself; for if she doesn

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then Dale would never be where he is

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in that moment

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he would never reach deva

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because he would never find the lake

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if Laura didnt die

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:45 AM

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So you are currently explaining the game title?

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:45 AM

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p much xd

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:45 AM

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I have another explanation

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Even 2

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We clearly see the paradox in both chapter endings: Dale sees another Dale killing Laura

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That's one of them

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The other takes & it further

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:48 AM

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probably his future self

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securing his fate

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:48 AM

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What future self?

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:49 AM

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i dunno maybe not

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ig when i see 2 of the same people

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my mind immediately thinks time travel

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but ig that may be far fetched

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maybe it is a split consciousness thing

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:50 AM

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Paradox takes place in Dale's mind

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:50 AM

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either way that part of him wants to secure his fate of reaching enlightenment

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in his mind?

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 6:50 AM

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Maybe that not coruppted part of Dale rivalize with CS of dale

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:50 AM

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isnt all of his memories in the lake at that point?

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:51 AM

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I'm pretty sure that Paradox takes place while Dale is connected to the machine in The Cave while being unconscious

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:51 AM

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ohhhhhhhhhh that would make sense

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:51 AM

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The main indication is the golden cube

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But there are some more

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But that's not the thing that defined it taking place inside his head

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In ch1 Dale has typed "maybe Case 23 is the way to escape my mind"

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In the movie Crow says that Dale is unable to escape boundaries of his mind

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Even tho he escaped the room

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:55 AM

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stable wigeon either way that part of him wants to secure his fate of reaching enlightenment

I don't think that was the case because Dale that got corrupted probably did not keep enlightenment in his mind.

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He did not come from the future, as we understand it

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He comes from another Paradox iteration

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For Paradox is a loop

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 6:57 AM

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Dale is in the same time in Chapter 1 chapter 2 and film?

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:58 AM

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I think it's a bit more complicated

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After finishing an iteration, Dale enters the cube & goes back to the start

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 6:59 AM

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indeed

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that is a paradox

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lol

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 6:59 AM

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For some reason he intersects with another his iteration

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That's where I see the paradox

stable wigeon Apr 21, 2021, 7:00 AM

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so you are implying

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he never reaches deva?

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and is stuck in the paradox?

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 7:00 AM

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Oh gosh no

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 7:00 AM

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Not in goldcube ending

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 7:01 AM

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cerulean crypt Not in goldcube ending

I'd like to comment on that as well but a bit later. May I try to give a possible explanation for this paradox?

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 7:02 AM

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go on

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What actualy is that paradox?

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 7:02 AM

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Once again it's just 2 Dales meeting each other.

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 7:03 AM

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And this is all paradoxal part?

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 7:04 AM

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It may also extend onto reality

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As Paradox game has some depictions of the real items & events, the paradox event may also be real in a way

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It makes Dale another suspect for case 23 in my book

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While corrupted Dale killed Laura, the alive one started his investigation

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But some see this theory far-fetched & I understand them

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 7:07 AM

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So this is Suicide or Dale kill her?

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 7:08 AM

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cerulean crypt So this is Suicide or Dale kill her?

There are tons of ifs, so we don't have a definitive answer for now. It mostly depends on your set of believes

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 7:08 AM

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And is Laura atcualy dead?

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We see her in Paradox

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 7:09 AM

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Depends on what you mean by "dead"

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 7:09 AM

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Body dead

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like Willam

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Soul is alive but body is dead

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 7:11 AM

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Laura's body was dead. However, the body also became a CS unlike William's soul that has left its previous body behind.
That's probably important

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 7:12 AM

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But in sesons we see CS destroying itself

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 7:13 AM

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It happens long after

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About 10 years

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 7:14 AM

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Laura died fall 68?

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 7:14 AM

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71*

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 7:14 AM

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And soul was destroyed winter 82?

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 7:14 AM

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81*

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 7:14 AM

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So this is one of latest events in series

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 7:15 AM

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It's the latest one if we completely ignore the ARG

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 7:16 AM

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ARG?

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 7:16 AM

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Are you familiar to the basement ending of TWD?

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 7:16 AM

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I don't buy it yet

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i am waitng for sale

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 7:17 AM

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There was an Alternate Reality Game

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The real cubes were hidden all across the world

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& in order to get a secret ending the players needed to work together & find all of them

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 7:18 AM

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And from that what i heard on reddit people did it

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 7:18 AM

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Yeah

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You are still able to solve the internet part

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The codes needed to get the ending are also there

cerulean crypt Apr 21, 2021, 7:20 AM

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i need to buy it 1st

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So ARG is cannon to Rusty lake?

azure bay Apr 21, 2021, 7:21 AM

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I think so but it's seemingly irrelevant for Dale's arc

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The one that must've been ended 30 years before the 1st event of ARG took place & 50 years before the rest of them

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 7:33 AM

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There is riddle in Paradox where we have little dale and 9 cubes in mind

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that part with soundtrack called the mind game

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9 cubes represent 9 games, every cube has somthing to indetyfy it with one game

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but Dale is only in 3 of that games

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how it is possible

covert wyvern Apr 23, 2021, 7:36 AM

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considering the fact that Dale is a detective, I assume he has simply done a lot of research into the lake

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and knows all about the locations where the games take place.

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 7:37 AM

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And he said that he need to arrange his memories

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But what about Van Gogh?

covert wyvern Apr 23, 2021, 7:38 AM

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wellvan Gogh is a famous painter

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maybe Dale's memory is just him seeing the painting of arles

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 7:38 AM

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maybe that is why in Paradox room there is bedrom in arles

covert wyvern Apr 23, 2021, 7:39 AM

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it's likely.

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 7:39 AM

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But the mill takes place after dale investigacion

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and there is memory about mill

covert wyvern Apr 23, 2021, 7:40 AM

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while that is true, isn't there a file on the mill in case23?

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if these are just "memories" Dale doesn't need to have physically lived through them

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 7:40 AM

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There is

covert wyvern Apr 23, 2021, 7:41 AM

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reading a file on the mill could create "a memory"

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like, I'm not van gogh, but I've seen a collection of van gogh paintings in a museum, so I have memories OF van goghs.

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 7:42 AM

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And what about harvey box?

covert wyvern Apr 23, 2021, 7:42 AM

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that's a good question, actually.

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 7:42 AM

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I forgot there is box in cabin

covert wyvern Apr 23, 2021, 7:42 AM

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my only hypothesis is he saw the box in case23

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yes.

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and just noted it as "important enough to remember"

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 7:44 AM

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But when he saw the box he was in hurry

covert wyvern Apr 23, 2021, 7:44 AM

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ye but just a mental note of "huh a box"

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could be enough to create a memory.

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 7:48 AM

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sems good for me

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 8:29 AM

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Actualy there is stil one problem

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the cave

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Dale don't know about cave

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and he has no chance of knowing about submarine

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There is no possible explanacion for that

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unless crow do something with his memories

covert wyvern Apr 23, 2021, 8:44 AM

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assuming paradox takes place while Dale is stuck under water

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it's not weird to think he'd have memories of the cave and or submarine

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but w/e

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 8:47 AM

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But he got here using elevator

covert wyvern Apr 23, 2021, 8:48 AM

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excellent point.

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is the cave on the board on the in case23?

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I stand by my point that Dale would just know about all the RL locations solely based on his investigations.

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 8:51 AM

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But this still not eplain submarine

covert wyvern Apr 23, 2021, 8:52 AM

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why not? the submarine is in the cave

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maybe his investigations found that there was a submarine hidden in there, we don't know lmao.

royal notch Apr 23, 2021, 10:18 AM

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In the Paradox room, Dale is without memories, since he lost them at the incident in the cabin. I think the cubes in his mind are memories put by the room itself, because that Is the purpose of this prove.

azure bay Apr 23, 2021, 11:15 AM

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He remembers both Laura & case 23

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He even remembers for some extent the previous paradox iterations

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But not how he got inside the room

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 11:43 AM

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But without Mr.Crow manipulacion he wouldyn't know about submarine

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He actual know about cave

azure bay Apr 23, 2021, 11:44 AM

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I tend to think that those memories are just a big reference to CE series. Or alternatively, these are the player's memories

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 11:45 AM

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Actualy only submarine is somethink that dale don't know about

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He saw seasons room, he saw bedroom in arles, he saw box in cabin

azure bay Apr 23, 2021, 11:46 AM

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He is also less likely to see both the box & Arles from inside

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 11:46 AM

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he interact with box

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he take something from it

azure bay Apr 23, 2021, 11:46 AM

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Not that much

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 11:46 AM

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But he can remember it

azure bay Apr 23, 2021, 11:47 AM

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This seems to be too far-fetched to my liking

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 11:47 AM

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Actualy the box was one of last things he saw in "real world"

azure bay Apr 23, 2021, 11:48 AM

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If these are Dale's memories I expect to see more locations of Case 23 but we get just an equal represantation of previous CE games

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 11:49 AM

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But Dale said "I need to arrange my memories"

azure bay Apr 23, 2021, 11:51 AM

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That what happens by the plot, but it doesn't mean that we see that accurately

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 11:51 AM

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WDYM?

azure bay Apr 23, 2021, 11:52 AM

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In videogames gameplay may heavily affect the narration

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In the movie we see all 3 vials at once and Dale's choice is more comprehensive.

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But in the game we never see more than one

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Because the game needs us to see a certain ending

cerulean crypt Apr 23, 2021, 11:53 AM

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But film is other part of Paradox

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Maybe he don't remember last time

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and by preferences he everytime pick the same

azure bay Apr 23, 2021, 11:54 AM

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True, but that doesn't mean the movie being so different from ch1

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The choice is more obvious if we assume that all 3 vials are equally accessible each time

vague imp Apr 23, 2021, 11:59 AM

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Will watching the video teach you how to get the accomplishments in paradox

azure bay Apr 23, 2021, 12:02 PM

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vague imp Will watching the video teach you how to get the accomplishments in paradox

What do you mean?

vague imp Apr 23, 2021, 12:18 PM

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the achievements

azure bay Apr 23, 2021, 12:19 PM

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You'd better ask you quetion here #cube-escape-series-help

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It's not lore-related

red wave Apr 24, 2021, 12:47 AM

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what parameter do you use to define what is gameplay and what is narrative?

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Like,what is canon?

ebon aspen Apr 24, 2021, 1:11 AM

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Its kinda intuitive, overally (at least for me) the in-game facts are all canon, the only things that i exclude when trying to understand the lore are the achievements from steam

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And sometimes even the achievements can lead to cluea for the story, so yeah its basically instinct and discussing with other players to reach a common sense

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 1:13 AM

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I usually define everything but stuff like UI elements and such as canon, no matter how weird it is.

ebon aspen Apr 24, 2021, 1:32 AM

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I think the only difficult thing to choose if i accept as canon or not are the puzzle-related stuff, bc sometimes its just the devs putting a cool mechanics for puzzle sake and sometimes those things have a really big impact on the lore, but after playing the games a lot of times you kinda get used to figure things out

stable wigeon Apr 24, 2021, 5:06 AM

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^this

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but tbh first playing through the games

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i thought most of it was puzzle related more than anything else

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which it kinda is but

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like for example in seasons it didnt occur to me that you are actually physically going through your past memories

mighty ravine Apr 24, 2021, 12:32 PM

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Oh yeah, like your life flashing before your eyes

main yoke Apr 24, 2021, 7:03 PM

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I wanted to ask whats the recipe for a golden cube and how do you corrupt soul?

ebon aspen Apr 24, 2021, 7:23 PM

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the corruption is explained on the mill (dunno/dont remember if its the only way, but memory extraction can cause it if done uncarefully)

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and about the golden cube, its kinda a mystery how it works exactly, but it seems to enable you to visit/change both past and future

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 7:25 PM

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We have at least 3 ways of corruption

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sometimes it also happens on death

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sometimes just when you feel strong negative emotions

vague imp Apr 24, 2021, 7:26 PM

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When did Laura/william’s soul get corrupted

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 7:26 PM

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vague imp When did Laura/william’s soul get corrupted

the soul was corrupted 2 times on different occasions

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between that it seemingly regained its purity

vague imp Apr 24, 2021, 7:27 PM

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Oh

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Some time before Laura died, then again in the mill after death?

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 7:28 PM

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the 1st 100% confirmed time was on William's death

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the 2nd on Laura's memory extraction

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she also may go temporarily corrupted during her life

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but those times it was either incomplete or reversable

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Returning to 3 ways one turns corrupted, I see a way to unite these into 1

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Strong negative feelings that is

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All the deaths that created CS may be regarded as painful either physically or mentally

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& extraction of memories may make a soul relive all of them at once

ebon aspen Apr 24, 2021, 7:57 PM

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azure bay sometimes just when you feel strong negative emotions

Oh yeah, forgot about bobby

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 8:07 PM

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azure bay the 1st 100% confirmed time was on William's death

Something that should be clarified is that William was corrupted due to dying by drinking the elixir. Maybe normal deaths can result in corruption, but considering both William and Caroline died as "sacrifices", it seems like a death connected to production of the eilixir or cubes is needed for corruption.

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:09 PM

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nocturne yarrow Something that should be clarified is that William was corrupted due to dying by...

It's a bit debatable if Caroline was objectively considered as a sacrifice a the time she was burnt. It's more likely that Eilanders didn't achieve their goal, as they had to sacrifice Jacob as well

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the real moment of Caroline's sacrifice was in the ending

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to turn Jacob into Owl

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I'm not sure if it's connectable to her being burnt before

royal notch Apr 24, 2021, 8:11 PM

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I think so, since her nineth memory shows the cubes floating in the air whole she's burning.

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:12 PM

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royal notch I think so, since her nineth memory shows the cubes floating in the air whole sh...

what exactly was the reason of her corruption, according to ya?

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 8:12 PM

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azure bay It's a bit debatable if Caroline was objectively considered as a sacrifice a the...

ok, idea. Maybe corruption is caused by a failed attempt at creating elixir, or achieving enlightenment. Think about it- Laura is corrupted due to a flaw in the memory extraction process, Caroline was sacrificed but it didn't do what it was supposed to do, and William drank the elixir hoping for eternal life but instead dying. Corruption may be caused by failure.

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It might also be connected to negative emotions- everyone who gets corrupted has reason to be deeply scornful of their situation.

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:16 PM

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I rather see their deaths being extra painful for them (& also them being weak enough to be affected by that). Caroline was burnt alive & William seems to have brought the most of effort in creating the elixir yet failing to exploit it. The very moment of understanding his failure before death could bring him great suffering

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 8:17 PM

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So you're thinking it's a typical "vengeful spirit" situation, which I agree with for the most part. However, I think the death needs to be connected to the Lake or some other mystical thing for corruption to happen, otherwise the entire RL world would be swarming with the corrupted souls of everyone who died painfully.

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:18 PM

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I think the world is, not the lake

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I suspect that the lake is not as old as the universe

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 8:19 PM

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I'm sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean.

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:21 PM

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I think that the lake is inhabited exclusively by those spirits that died somewhere nearby. Plus, I tend to believe that there were CS long before that lake was formed (assuming that its early days will be depicted in the 20k b.c. game).

royal notch Apr 24, 2021, 8:21 PM

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azure bay what exactly was the reason of her corruption, according to ya?

You already know, i think everyone has his corrupted soul.

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:22 PM

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royal notch You already know, i think everyone has his corrupted soul.

everyone has a soul. It may or may not be corrupted

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at least visibly

royal notch Apr 24, 2021, 8:23 PM

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azure bay I think that the lake is inhabited exclusively by those spirits that died somewh...

I agree, i've always thought that the corrupted soul can be not related to the Lake.

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 8:24 PM

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Paradox and the White Door made it seem like a corrupted soul- symbolic of your "negative aspects"- is just a thing everyone has. Physically manifesting that corruption is what seems to take some doing.

royal notch Apr 24, 2021, 8:25 PM

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azure bay everyone has a soul. It may or may not be corrupted

It's strange that everyone we see After death is a corrupted soul. If that's the Samsara cicle, then there's no need ti someone to have negative emotions.

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:25 PM

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nocturne yarrow Paradox and the White Door made it seem like a corrupted soul- symbolic of your ...

Bob was corrupting not only during TWD

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 8:26 PM

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azure bay Bob was corrupting not only during TWD

aye, but I mentioned TWD because it really nailed in the whole philosophy around it

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:26 PM

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royal notch It's strange that everyone we see After death is a corrupted soul. If that's the...

not everyone. Jacob wasn't corrupted & we have no info on every dead Vanderboom

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 8:26 PM

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also, jacob didn't exactly die per se

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:27 PM

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nocturne yarrow aye, but I mentioned TWD because it really nailed in the whole philosophy around...

if that doesn't mean all his corruptions being metaphorical, I may agree

royal notch Apr 24, 2021, 8:27 PM

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azure bay not everyone. Jacob wasn't corrupted & we have no info on every dead Vanderboom

Jakob is Mr Owl now, so he doesn't count.

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:27 PM

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nocturne yarrow also, jacob didn't exactly die per se

his body was burnt

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he was saved by Caroline at the last moment

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 8:27 PM

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Not really

royal notch Apr 24, 2021, 8:27 PM

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azure bay his body was burnt

We're not sure.

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 8:28 PM

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The final moments of Paradise are... frustratingly vague, especially when it comes to the fate of the people involved.

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The only thing we can be sure of is that Mr. Owl walked out of there.

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:29 PM

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royal notch We're not sure.

We've seen the fire covering the screen, we've seen the purgatory visited by William in Roots

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 8:29 PM

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azure bay We've seen the fire covering the screen, we've seen the purgatory visited by Wil...

Purgatory?

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:29 PM

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Jacob was prepared to be sacrificed since young age

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sacrifices are meant to die

royal notch Apr 24, 2021, 8:30 PM

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I know, but we don't really know if Jakob's body really burnt.

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 8:30 PM

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So are you saying he had to fulfill that destiny, and therefore died?

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:31 PM

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nocturne yarrow So are you saying he had to fulfill that destiny, and therefore died?

Yes. They asked enlightenment in exchange of sacrifice. Jacob wasn't meant to have one but Caroline has intervened with her memories of the elixir formula & performed another ritual

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About purgatory

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royal notch Apr 24, 2021, 8:33 PM

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azure bay Yes. They asked enlightenment in exchange of sacrifice. Jacob wasn't meant to ha...

I agree, but Jakob's body can have been burnt! If so, how can he be alive now?

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 8:33 PM

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Yeah, no matter what happens, it doesn't seem like Jakob died.

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:33 PM

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royal notch I agree, but Jakob's body can have been burnt! If so, how can he be alive now?

His soul was reborn in a higher form

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he also happened to preserve his personality

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so technically he did not die

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but his body did

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 8:34 PM

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I don't think it's that complicated. I think he just combined with Caroline's soul to become an enlightened being.

royal notch Apr 24, 2021, 8:35 PM

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azure bay His soul was reborn in a higher form

Exactly, only his soul! But how it can have a body then?

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 8:35 PM

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But whatever, this is a pretty tiny point anyway. The end result is the same.

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:35 PM

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nocturne yarrow I don't think it's that complicated. I think he just combined with Caroline's so...

you forgot the elixir. It was created right before their souls merged together

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the long scene of repeating memories

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 8:36 PM

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azure bay you forgot the elixir. It was created right before their souls merged together

Nah, the elixir is what allowed the combination

royal notch Apr 24, 2021, 8:36 PM

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Can i say what i get of that scene?

nocturne yarrow Apr 24, 2021, 8:37 PM

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Go ahead.

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:37 PM

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nocturne yarrow Nah, the elixir is what allowed the combination

technically, it was almost the same ritual the alchemists brothers performed: the elixir + sacrifice = enlightenment

royal notch Apr 24, 2021, 8:57 PM

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royal notch Can i say what i get of that scene?

OK, here what i think. In some of the Caroline's memories we see her writing the elixir formula in a cave. The same cave will be discovered later by William with that formula, but that's another story. In the ending we see the flames wrap Jakob (that, for me, doesn't die). In those milliseconds, the 10 Caroline's memories gave their little elements to create the elixir (the memories are the last ingredient, if you look the cave!), but that's not a CONCRETE elixir, since the ingredient are only part of memories, and not concrete! Now, that elixir Is useless for a human body, but maybe can be used by something not concrete too, like a corrupted soul. Always in the ending, in fact, we see the 10 ingredients being aborbed by Caroline's corrupted soul and we see her glowing, and i think she reach the enlightement. But she's only a corrupted soul, and her enlightement Is useless for her, so she united with Jakob (which body is still OK, because everything i wrote happen in few milliseconds).

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 8:59 PM

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If Jacob was also a soul, he wouldn't require the concrete elixir.

royal notch Apr 24, 2021, 9:00 PM

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Jakob, in fact, doesn't die.

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 9:07 PM

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Dying doesn't mean perishing in RL. Souls are eternal they even preserve their past life memories. All they need to preserve personality contained in these is to gain or not to lose access.

Talking about your assumption of everything happening in the last moment before he would die, I see it being impossible under circumstances given. The fire spreads unevenly. Jacob would have his body parts burnt separately before him actually dying. It's not like an atomic bomb when your body completely disintegrates in a second.

royal notch Apr 24, 2021, 9:08 PM

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OK, but how can be that he has a body then?

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An entire one!

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 9:09 PM

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I think it wasn't a body. It was his soul, formed by his own vision of himself contained in his recent memories.

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that's why non concrete elixir with non concrete sacrifice is more likely to work

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everything wasn't concrete him included

royal notch Apr 24, 2021, 9:11 PM

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I'm not saying that. I mean, how he has a body in the rest of the games!

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 9:11 PM

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he was reborn

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he's got a new Owl body

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like all the guests did

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their profiles are really different than Eilanders'

royal notch Apr 24, 2021, 9:15 PM

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I don't agree on that point. Also, Paradise has been released some time later hotel, and maybe the devs didn't had the profiles wery well in mind, but maybe you're right.

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Anyway, it's time to sleep for me. Good night! 👋

azure bay Apr 24, 2021, 9:16 PM

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what about Mr. Rabbit who has a completely different look in Hotel & Birthday, the two games released closely to each other?

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different life, different body

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that how samsara works

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good night

stable wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 7:29 AM

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hold up

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is van gogh a past life of dale

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:31 AM

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is that ever implied?

stable wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 7:57 AM

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not explicitly but its a thought

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:57 AM

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fair enough.

stable wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 7:57 AM

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was wondering if anyone else thought that was a possibilty

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mainly due to paradox

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:57 AM

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I've honestly always seen arles as a one off kind of deal

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"yes you see Gogh was corrupted, which implies everyone can be corrupted!!" but that's all

stable wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 7:58 AM

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i find it interesting you use van gogh's ear to balance

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:58 AM

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in my thoughts, anyway.

stable wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 7:58 AM

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yea but that seems more like youd expect van gogh to be corrupted

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he was extremely depressed and had massive anxiety issues

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 7:59 AM

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O ye definitely.

stable wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 7:59 AM

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just the balancing of the jars

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made me think again of balancing past lives

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and you use his ear to do that

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:00 AM

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O maybe, I just saw it as gogh having a drinking problem lmao

stable wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 8:00 AM

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no i mean in paradox lol

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the jars with organs

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:00 AM

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ahhh

stable wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 8:00 AM

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you need them to be the right level

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:01 AM

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yes you're right

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I suppose i never paid it much attention

prisma monolith Apr 25, 2021, 8:01 AM

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Having researched Van Gogh's life, he would've DEFINITELY been corrupted

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:01 AM

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yes but thats just fact

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even within the RL games

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LMAO

vague imp Apr 25, 2021, 8:01 AM

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He would've did you see the buzzfeed unsolved vid about him?

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:02 AM

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No Im dutch

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we're spoonfed his life history

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yeet

vague imp Apr 25, 2021, 8:02 AM

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XD ah ig thats a normal thing over there

prisma monolith Apr 25, 2021, 8:02 AM

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Yep, also went through a virtual tour of the museum

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:02 AM

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(im being dramatic but ye I'm very familiar)

stable wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 8:02 AM

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mentally tortured are always artistically talented

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:02 AM

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you say that.

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yet here i am

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without talent

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pcrowGiggle

prisma monolith Apr 25, 2021, 8:03 AM

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I also find that period of art (post-impressionism) to be fascinating

stable wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 8:03 AM

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have you tried everything

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:03 AM

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anyway that isn't an RL theory

stable wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 8:03 AM

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yea

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offtopic

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:03 AM

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and I suppose gogh could be a past life of Dale

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but I doubt it.

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it's not something I personally find likely.

stable wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 8:03 AM

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its just strange

vague imp Apr 25, 2021, 8:03 AM

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How so? XD

stable wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 8:04 AM

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i can't find any other importance of van gogh lol

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u use his ear in paradox

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i was like MAYBE HE ISNT USELESS

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:04 AM

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there isnt, that's why I think it's a one off

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"lmao he can be corrupted so everyone can be corrupted"

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admittedly he's a good subject for a game about corruption made by dutch people

stable wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 8:04 AM

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then theres the whole thing about the 9 cubes in dales head

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that was recently discussed in here

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and if he was van gogh he would have to also be harvey following that train of logic

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the head puzzle was so peculiar tho but then again

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he would also have to be laura lol

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new theory dale is everyone and everyone is dale

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:06 AM

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Good idea

stable wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 8:07 AM

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xd

vague imp Apr 25, 2021, 8:07 AM

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So are we all Dale?

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 8:07 AM

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No just the RL characters

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 8:36 AM

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Admitting non-tolerated history doesn't make me less tolerated.
I'm quite sure that non binary & genderfluid people existed back then. They just were not accepted by the culture so they had to hide or otherwise they would've been taken to asylums or just force-fed drugs & I wouldn't wish that to anyone.

It's great that nowadays people are way less percecuited for being themselves but rewriting history may make us forget & repeat mistakes of the past.

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I meant it was ok for the majority of people that lived back then. It's the majority that dictates the norms.

stable wigeon Apr 25, 2021, 8:55 AM

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vague imp So are we all Dale?

yes it's best we accept it

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 9:35 AM

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azure bay what about Mr. Rabbit who has a completely different look in Hotel & Birthday, t...

For that point, i've always thought that the white Mr Rabbit is another person, since we see him in hotel, at the same time with the brown one (David). I know it's hard, because we still don't know who he really is, but also for some points in other games (in Paradise, David's mask is white; in Paradox, Dale's mum asks to call David).

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:02 AM

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In Paradise David's mask was gray. So no color connection to any of his future forms

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however, there is no reason for Mr. Rabbit not being David in Hotel since every other guest is Eilander

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the latter is a community consensus & I'm even able to kinda prove it with tons of evidence. There is even a piece of evidence exclusive for David being brown Rabbit

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the reason for Rabbit's different look in Birthday is his another rebirth

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heck, he's even likely to still be a CS

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:16 AM

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I always question the link between Eilanders and Hotel guests

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I dont think they are the same group of ppl

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even though in birthday D E showed up

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:17 AM

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what are your reasons?

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:17 AM

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the rabbit

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before you kill Mr Rabbit

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the David Eilander rabbit shows up outside of the window

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which is the corrupted form of Mr Rabbit as well?

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thats a true paradox

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:19 AM

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Please, explain why you don't connect Eilanders & the guests

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:19 AM

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ok lets change to ms pheasant

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she has a link to lady in the Blue

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rather than Eilanders

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:21 AM

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The Lady of The Lake, as she was called in Theatre, is either the next Pheasant's incarnation or just plays Pheasant's role for the play sake

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:21 AM

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azure bay The Lady of The Lake, as she was called in Theatre, is either the next Pheasant'...

so why is she a member of the Eilander

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she killed herself

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and it makes sense

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according to the play

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:22 AM

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she did not kill herself. Her throat got cut by itself & guessing its meaning is useless

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:22 AM

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oh?

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I thought she shot herself

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in the hotel

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:23 AM

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ah

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that

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:23 AM

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thats the paradox

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The guests and Eilanders dont match up

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:23 AM

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I'm a bit confused. Could you please explain your logic in more details?

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why does Pheasant shooting herself disprove her being Eilander in the past?

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:25 AM

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no same dress

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not blind

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and not depressed

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Ms phesasant in both theatre and hotel are depressed as f

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and I have heard Rusty Lake studio published the official identity of each guest

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even though i cant find it

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its in Fandom

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:26 AM

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floral mauve and I have heard Rusty Lake studio published the official identity of each guest

not really

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just heights & ages

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:27 AM

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surely if RL published that it wouldnt be a point of discussion

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yeet

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:27 AM

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and jobs

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Eilanders are uneducated I suppose

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how can they be a psychologist chemist and a eating turd ambassador

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:29 AM

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floral mauve and jobs

I want you to understand 1 major thing. Samsara & rebirths are canon in Rusty Lake. Being reborn in a new body doesn't mean that you'll preserve traits of your previous one nor that you'll even remember your past life

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:29 AM

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past is never dead

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:30 AM

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floral mauve past is never dead

this phrase has many interpretations. What's yours?

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:30 AM

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souls do exist in this universe i guess

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LauraFingerguns

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However I think Mr Rabbit is an exception

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:31 AM

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floral mauve souls do exist in this universe i guess

well, yes. How does that contradict Eilanders being reborn as the hotel guests?

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:31 AM

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not really, I think I am defeated

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samsara is the only answer to this paradox

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btw its my first day on this server lol

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:33 AM

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floral mauve btw its my first day on this server lol

welcome to the community

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:34 AM

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I dont have a single friend near me who plays Rusty Lake dogroots

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 10:34 AM

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well good thing this server exists then 😉

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be sure to read the #✅｜rules if you have the time.

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:35 AM

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ok

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:35 AM

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floral mauve I dont have a single friend near me who plays Rusty Lake<:dogroots:6684150426430...

I've found all of mine on the internet

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 10:35 AM

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I agree with Black Jesus 321 in one point: we still see both Mr Rabbit in the same time.

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:35 AM

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Maybe its an literature way of performing Mr rabbit's fate

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he is gonna become corrupted

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:36 AM

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royal notch I agree with Black Jesus 321 in one point: we still see both Mr Rabbit in the sa...

I don't deny that

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:36 AM

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foreshadow

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:36 AM

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but this fact may be interpreted in dozens of ways

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:36 AM

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also

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I found very little ppl noticed

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in the easter egf of the birthday

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Mr Rabbit wasnt in the cage

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so he made an agreement with Mr owl??

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to screw Dale in corrupted form?

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thats too much interpretation

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:38 AM

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floral mauve Mr Rabbit wasnt in the cage

it'd be more correct to say that we don't see his cage there. As well as 2 others.

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 10:39 AM

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Yeah.

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:39 AM

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azure bay it'd be more correct to say that we *don't see* his cage there. As well as 2 oth...

they break free

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but Mr Rabbit wasnt there

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:39 AM

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floral mauve but Mr Rabbit wasnt there

wasn't seen there

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:39 AM

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bruh MrRabbit

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:40 AM

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honestly, that could mean that he wasn't there

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:40 AM

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just interpretation

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:40 AM

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but it has no affection over my theory of Rabbit's adventures

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:40 AM

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what theory

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:42 AM

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his possible return to the hotel when we see him outside Rabbit's room & his appearance in Birthday

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I tend to think that he has a redemption journey pretty similar to Dale's one

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:42 AM

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thats a paradox though

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did he go back to the past to see himself being stabbed?

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:43 AM

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floral mauve thats a paradox though

they are pretty common, don't you think? Corrupted souls especially are often seen out of place or time

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 10:44 AM

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OK, so you think that Mr Rabbit misteriously revived, got the pistol in 1939 and with that, he gone back in 1893?

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:44 AM

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royal notch OK, so you think that Mr Rabbit misteriously revived, got the pistol in 1939 and...

vise versa

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:44 AM

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bruh

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I think he killed Dales fanily in corrupted form

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:45 AM

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floral mauve I think he killed Dales fanily in corrupted form

I support

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:45 AM

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but that doesnt make sense since he is corrupted

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how can a corrupted wear clothes and using gun

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bruh

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:45 AM

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floral mauve but that doesnt make sense since he is corrupted

I have a way to explain it

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:46 AM

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he could have slice dales family apart directly

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 10:46 AM

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floral mauve I think he killed Dales fanily in corrupted form

He has a body, he is dressed, we haven't seen any corrupted soul doing that.

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:46 AM

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exactly

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:46 AM

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royal notch He has a body, he is dressed, we haven't seen any corrupted soul doing that.

Rabbit's soul was dressed all along

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:46 AM

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thats the part I dont get it

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:47 AM

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it's a white rabbit covered in black sheets

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:47 AM

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azure bay Rabbit's soul was dressed all along

thats true because he is the only corrupted with a face

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Corrupted among us

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:47 AM

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may I try to explain my vision on Rabbit's journey?

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:48 AM

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ok

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:49 AM

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after he's got corrupted he either escaped first (as he's not seen in 1894) or some time after 1972. It doesn't matter since corrupted souls seem to be kinda free to travel through time

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:50 AM

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but why tompson

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:50 AM

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floral mauve but why tompson

that's a part of another theory

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:50 AM

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corrupted is fast and strong

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:51 AM

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That's how Rabbit looked at the beginning

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:51 AM

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Mr Crow and Harvey nearly got fucled by his own brother lol

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:51 AM

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that's his return to the hotel. Do you see a difference in their look?

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:52 AM

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azure bay That's how Rabbit looked at the beginning

beard?

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:52 AM

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whiskers

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:52 AM

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bruh

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sorry for my terrible English

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:53 AM

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As we know from Birthday, his goal was escaping his state

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:53 AM

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yes

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:53 AM

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most likely a corrupted one

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:53 AM

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but how can a corrupted write

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:53 AM

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let me continue please

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:54 AM

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I thought they are just souls that obsessed with certain things

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:54 AM

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we'll get there

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:54 AM

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ok

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countinue sorry

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:54 AM

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so I assume that escaping his corrupted state was his ultimate goal

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I assume that his journey was pretty long

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and while proceeding he was becoming more & more alive

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1st he's got whiskers

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then something else

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& eventually he's got almost a living body with blood & mind

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:56 AM

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so he is partly corrupted??? Like Bob and Dale before??

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:56 AM

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floral mauve so he is partly corrupted??? Like Bob and Dale before??

can't say for sure

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I think he was being purified bit by bit

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:56 AM

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but that doesnt explain how he travels time

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and how he got hurt by a bullet and become a tree

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if the more alive rabbit appears outside Hotel

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that means he travels back

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in time

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:58 AM

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floral mauve and how he got hurt by a bullet and become a tree

as I was saying, along his journey he could become more & more alive. Even getting blood & flesh. And he did not become a tree, his lively powers made it blossom as his body has perished

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:58 AM

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so he is dead??

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:59 AM

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floral mauve so he is dead??

if he escaped before all the others, he's seemingly returned to the lake as a regular CS

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 10:59 AM

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you just said he returned with a nore lively form

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 10:59 AM

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if he started the journey long after, I have no idea wht happened to him next

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:00 AM

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floral mauve you just said he returned with a nore lively form

but he lost it as he failed to continue

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:00 AM

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but his appearance outside the window

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that doesnt make sense

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:00 AM

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floral mauve so he is dead??

No, Birthday Is a memory modified by the Lake for Dale's journey.

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:00 AM

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ah new approach

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:01 AM

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royal notch No, Birthday Is a memory modified by the Lake for Dale's journey.

IF the memories don't affect the reality

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:01 AM

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i like that

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:01 AM

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floral mauve but his appearance outside the window

we have many CS traveling through time all across the series

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at least we can interpret them in that way

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:02 AM

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azure bay IF the memories don't affect the reality

Bruh, you called me a overcomplicator, and now you think that Memories affect reality?

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:02 AM

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azure bay we have many CS traveling through time all across the series

well Caroline has not being executed by all the CSs when she invent the exlir

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:02 AM

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royal notch Bruh, you called me a overcomplicator, and now you think that Memories affect re...

"The past is never dead" "All that you touch you change" "Change the past"

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:02 AM

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that doesnt make snese

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:03 AM

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floral mauve well Caroline has not being executed by all the CSs when she invent the exlir

Caroline dies in 1796, the other in 1893.

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:03 AM

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but you need a blue dube to do it

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:03 AM

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royal notch Caroline dies in 1796, the other in 1893.

he said corrupted can travel through time

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:03 AM

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In fact, i don't agree.

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:04 AM

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me neither

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there are many flaws

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:04 AM

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floral mauve there are many flaws

name a few please

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:04 AM

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I mean, William could have simply avoid ti wait more than 60 years!

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:04 AM

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Your thepry doesnt exlain Mr Rabbit travels time

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and die twice

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and appears outside hotel as a more alive form

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:05 AM

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floral mauve Your thepry doesnt exlain Mr Rabbit travels time

this is not explained almost everywhere but it happens often

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:05 AM

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floral mauve and appears outside hotel as a more alive form

"more" doesn't mean "completely"

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:06 AM

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azure bay this is not explained almost everywhere but it happens often

If they're the same Mr Rabbit.

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:06 AM

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azure bay "more" doesn't mean "completely"

but then you said that Mr rabbit die and become a regular CS

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thats so confused

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:07 AM

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azure bay "more" doesn't mean "completely"

name one

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maybe Laura

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but william

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:07 AM

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William saves Leonard through his war flashbacks

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:07 AM

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memories change the reality?!

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:07 AM

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William sees his future life in the secret scene in Samsara Room

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:07 AM

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azure bay William sees his future life in the secret scene in Samsara Room

Ida did the same

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future seer

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:08 AM

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floral mauve Ida did the same

Ida didn't get a response

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William did

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:08 AM

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true

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but thats still weird

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memorises are not true

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sometimes

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can be manipulated

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:10 AM

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By the Lake, yes.

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:10 AM

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I believe that on certain conditions they may affect a reality. Some time travel theories put the changes in different timelines

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some make them happen retroactively

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it's another bunch of perspectives

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:12 AM

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If we assume that memories doesn't affect reality, all the time travel happened IN memories, and then nothing changes the past.

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:12 AM

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I will return this conversation in an hour

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gonna stidy for a bit

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:12 AM

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OK, bye.

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:12 AM

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you guys can continue

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 11:12 AM

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you don't owe this server a presence, @floral mauve

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if you're too busy you're too busy lol

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:12 AM

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bruh

covert wyvern Apr 25, 2021, 11:13 AM

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life always comes first, just so you know 😉

floral mauve Apr 25, 2021, 11:13 AM

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LauraFingerguns

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:13 AM

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royal notch If we assume that memories doesn't affect reality, all the time travel happened ...

and then all the struggle of our beloved characters is in vein

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:17 AM

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No. Because anything changes the past. If we assume that the time travel in seasons happen IN a Laura's memory, It doesn't affect the reality, so she dies anyways, Dale starts the case 23 etc., as well in Birthday: Dale doesn't change REALLY the past, because that Memory is modified by the Lake.

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:18 AM

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but that DOES mean that Laura is still dead & Dale hasn't accomplished anything & they both live in delusions from then on

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the past is actually dead

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they do change nothing they touch

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:23 AM

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Exactly, why Laura should have done that? If She really changed the past, She never died, and the entire Plan of the enlightened Is putted in the WC. That change can't have been happened, and i could have a theory ti explain that.

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:23 AM

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royal notch Exactly, why Laura should have done that? If She really changed the past, She ne...

unless she created a different timeline

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or retroactively changed just her own state

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:25 AM

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Yeah, but that's an overcomplication. I'll assume for now that there's only space-time continuum.

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:25 AM

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royal notch Yeah, but that's an overcomplication. I'll assume for now that there's only spac...

there are more of examples of different timelines

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even in The Lake

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:26 AM

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Can i go on?

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:26 AM

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I'd rather finish my thought on the timelines, may I?

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:27 AM

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Yeah, give me other examples except seasons and Birthday.

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:28 AM

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What is that theory about?

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:28 AM

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That the corrupted souls can travel trhough time or not.

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:29 AM

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They can , but they need blue cube

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:29 AM

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cerulean crypt They can , but they need blue cube

Exactly, like anyone else.

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But that's not one of their ability, if they need that.

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:30 AM

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They actualy need blue cube, like laura

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:31 AM

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The Lake is not a memory, yet it has different endings. Both in Harvey's box & Case 23 there's a way for us to die & repeat from the start (it's even reflected either by achievements or by text). In Paradox there are 2 real endings that contradict each other. In TWD these can be perceived in the same way

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:31 AM

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cerulean crypt They actualy need blue cube, like laura

the blue cube is just to roll back the actual time. But entering the past cube & doing something is still a thing

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:31 AM

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There are multiple timelines in that game?

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:32 AM

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azure bay the blue cube is just to roll back the actual time. But entering the past cube &...

But that change only a memory

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:32 AM

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cerulean crypt There are multiple timelines in that game?

I don't think so.

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:32 AM

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azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:32 AM

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the blue cubes exist outside the memories so the statement "the blue cubes work" is less complicated that "the blue cubes work inside memories only"

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:33 AM

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This is what each cube do

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:33 AM

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cerulean crypt This is what each cube do

nah, these text are metaphorical as hell

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:33 AM

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But we see what blue cube do

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:34 AM

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cerulean crypt But we see what blue cube do

they make clocks go backwards

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:34 AM

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The balck cube is some kind of bad memories

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White cubes are good memories

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:34 AM

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azure bay the blue cubes exist outside the memories so the statement "the blue cubes work"...

I'm not saying that the Blue cubes exists only IN memories, but that they had been used only in memories for now.

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:34 AM

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the statement "the blue cubes work" is less complicated than "the blue cubes work inside memories only"

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:35 AM

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WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING. 😂

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:35 AM

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Is seasons memory?

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:35 AM

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cerulean crypt Is seasons memory?

yes

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:35 AM

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So all game is just a memory

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:35 AM

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That's what we think.

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:35 AM

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yes

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:36 AM

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royal notch That's what we think.

that's what written by the devs

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:36 AM

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Winter 1982 is a last thing that happendin thes games

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:36 AM

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azure bay that's what written by the devs

Where

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:36 AM

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cerulean crypt Winter 1982 is a last thing that happendin thes games

"Pick your memory"

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"what do I remember"

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:36 AM

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Exactly.

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:36 AM

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but

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:37 AM

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But we see laura destroying CS in seasons so what is she now?

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:37 AM

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that doesn't mean that changing the memories doesn't affetct the reality

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:37 AM

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A human or an animal?

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:37 AM

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cerulean crypt But we see laura destroying CS in seasons so what is she now?

we've seen her as herself in 1981 in the ending

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:37 AM

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azure bay that doesn't mean that changing the memories doesn't affetct the reality

Make some examples then.

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:38 AM

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royal notch Make some examples then.

a cactus

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in Case 23 it's present

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but we know that she planted it while changing her memories

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Harvey is also alive

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:39 AM

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Maybe she don't remember planting catus?

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:39 AM

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but she killed the bird before she started changing memories

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:39 AM

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and she just corretc her memories?

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To be more accurate

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to reality

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:41 AM

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we also have statements "all that you touch you change" "the past is never dead" "change the past"

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:41 AM

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azure bay a cactus

That cactus is in another room, Laura can't have moved It since it's still in the seasons room when he changed the past, so that Is another cactus. Harvey has never really been killed, since she was already dead and can't have been that before (the knife Is already dirty with Blood).

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:42 AM

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azure bay we also have statements "all that you touch you change" "the past is never dead"...

In my theory i can explain those messages.

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:43 AM

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royal notch In my theory i can explain those messages.

ok, we'll return to them soon

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:43 AM

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So actually all games are just a memories?

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:43 AM

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cerulean crypt So actually all games are just a memories?

unlikely

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:43 AM

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Not all the games.

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:43 AM

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just several of them

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:44 AM

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Which one isn't

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and which one likely is

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B day is a memory

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:45 AM

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cerulean crypt Which one isn't

Case 23, the mill, the cave, Paradox.

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:45 AM

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theatre also

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So dale infestigacion is real

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:45 AM

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Of course.

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:45 AM

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royal notch That cactus is in another room, Laura can't have moved It since it's still in th...

the depiction of rooms is inaccurate due to the games format. Otherwise we'd have seen a door of a sort. There's also no door in Dale's office, but there are doors in Arles & Birthday so we can't limit this evidence just to the memories.

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so the cactus could "travel"

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:49 AM

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YES, BUT NOT ALONE. Laura must have moved that, but in seasons She doesn't, so that's another cactus. I perfectly know that room aren't real because must be a cube.

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:49 AM

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you don't listen

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developers could move it

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just in order to connect the games

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& even Laura could move it back & forth in between her depicted memories

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:51 AM

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azure bay developers could move it

If that Is a point, the time i use to play those games Is wasted.

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:51 AM

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You can move a plant beetwen roome

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:52 AM

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royal notch If that Is a point, the time i use to play those games Is wasted.

why so?

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:52 AM

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Avtualy what is the role of Van Gogh in games?

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Reson why him is prodably just netherland

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But what is his role ?

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:53 AM

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cerulean crypt Avtualy what is the role of Van Gogh in games?

paying dev's respect to the compatriot artist & projecting RL universe onto the reality

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:53 AM

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I know reason

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But most of charaters have some role or are just here to be killed

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:53 AM

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azure bay why so?

Because the devs can do anything they want, obviousoly, and so it's a waste of time triyng ti understand anything.

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:54 AM

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Cube escape has only a few charaters

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5 of them are just to be killde

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rest of them has a role

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:55 AM

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royal notch Because the devs can do anything they want, obviousoly, and so it's a waste of t...

sadly, the reality doesn't care about our feelings...
you can still adopt more positive attitude & research different ways for interpreting these games, as I do

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:55 AM

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In fact, i have a theory... 🙄

vague imp Apr 25, 2021, 11:56 AM

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a game the-

royal notch Apr 25, 2021, 11:56 AM

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Yes.

azure bay Apr 25, 2021, 11:56 AM

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royal notch In fact, i have a theory... 🙄

could you start with the one on your interpretation of the phrases?

cerulean crypt Apr 25, 2021, 11:57 AM

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Actualy how many charaters is in game?

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only a few

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and 5 of them are to kill one only occurs for a while

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rest has some role

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and what is role of Van Gohg