#🤔|theories
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Yeah
Its very easy to theorize that they went to UB
But then how or when Laura stops at the Big White Cube would be even more confusing
ALRIGHT
in case 23 dale gets to the lake
and in cave he is there with corrupted laura
laura gets corrupted in the mill
while dale is still at the chappel
they prob made it there at the same time
assuming dale didn't die 240 times at chapter 4
But theres also no time inside the Lake 😔
We know that Chapter 2 takes place in August
Because of TWD
But Cave is in Winter
So some months have passed
has dave been 6 onths in paradox????
If i was crow i would be done
2 - double rabbit
3 - why did pheasant khs
4 - crow showing up in boar room (probs harvey halucinating)
czuses dramatic ✨
Also
The hand appears twice
And Harvey hurts it twice
😭
-Hi Harve- 🔪👋 YO HARVEY WHAT THE HELL
can I just point something I noticed?
"I THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS"
mr crow is the one bringing them to their death, and crows, are associated with it
Mr. Rabbit and Ms. Pheasant were both going to present at shows
Birthday and Theatre..
Mr. Rabbit steals the gun..
They were brothers..
Either coincidences or Rusty Lake was secretly cooking something
Mr. Deer was the only one that could be some kind of menace to the Hotel
While Mrs. Pigeon seemed to be experimenting Memory extraction with Young Bird
ms. pigeon was looking for ways of acessing cubes, and that could lead her to figuring stuff before owl
every info is important
And Mr. Deer was researching about the Lake and its depths
Guess he found the answer lol
and he would sooner or later find the elevator and white cave
Ignoring the White Cube, Mr. Bat and Mr. Frog, I guess there are no mysteries left in Hotel
how did bat shift back to... a bat?
He
Is Batman
Cube Escape Birthday
Why Mr. Rabbit wasnt at the 1894 outbreak?
And whats the deal with 1966?
my idea is that he was the one that set the others free
tbh - if I cant have crow, rabbit it is
Deer: What do we do now!?
Boar: Im hungry
Pigeon: They stole my inventions!!
Pheasant: We are trapped here, forever!
Rabbit: Um, guys..
Deer: Shut up, David! We are trying to think how we can escape!!
Pheasant: Trapped! Forever! Foreveeer!!
Rabbit: I could use my magic..
Boar: Im hungry
Pheasant: FOREVEEEERR
Deer: This is all Caroline's fault, I hate your mother!
Boar: Im hungry
Rabbit: ...
Pigeon: I can make you some corrupted food, sweetie
Pheasant: FOREEEEVEEERRRR
LMAO
And thats why Mr. Rabbit escaped
you're so funny, please don't die
⬜
Soo.. if they escaped
But are also at the Lake
And Mr. Rabbit stole the gun to balance..
Why is his corrupted soul still in the Lake in the other games?
Nowhere speculated that Bday Rabbit is also timetravelling
But dang
Bro just timetravel to get the gun and 💥 a grandpa shoots you
That would create 3 timelines
- No Mr. Rabbit
- Mr Rabbit
- Mr Rabbit killed
Mmm
Ig we can go to Theatre now
A game about the 6 realms
1 - who left their baby in a toilet?
Ms. Pheasant did not wanted children
which were the realms? my minds fuzzy
Corrupted Soul - Theatre Lady
Naraka - The red Forest
Animals - Harvey and Fish
Human - Laura
Asura - Mr. Crow
Deva (Dale)
The play of Deva is just the Mill with all 6 stages
Maybe..
Dale will become a place..
Cuz
If you remember in The Mill
That game has a timeskip
It starts in 1971
And ends in 1972
As if it was timeless just like the Lake
In Case 23, in the typewriter story, it also says that when the man went to the Mill
Time stopped
Buuut
Nowhere said that the Devs said
That we havent seen a Deva yet
Unless they were lying 🤫🤫
Roots
Big game
What was Mr. Crow doing inside our house at the beggining of the game
how did noone hear frank
Who is that corrupted soul
WHO IS THE CROWLIKE CORRUPTED FIGURE
Why Harvey appears as a Parrot in 1891??
the moon death scene strikes again
and what the hell is it
why did Ida marry samuel if she knew she was going to die
How did they lost William's journal..
My headcanon is that 100% of the gameplay is by William
And the Vanderboom are all lazy ass people
except Rose
If Corrupted Albert is his body
And he needed to go to the Lab
What did they buried??
And where was Corrupted Albert after 1926?
Would he stalk Frank?
And most important
whose bloody handprints were those?
Would he be bff with Corrupted William or the Corrupted Unknown birb?
And how James didnt noticed 😭
Did the triplets saw Mr. Crow?
the bigest mystery will always be the last puzzle
William did it
Hes the actual pro of Rusty Lake
He literally
Completed puzzles for over 70 years
Just to be reborn
Bros a legend
as a blonde? seriously?
i do be feeling like a blonde sometimes
I hope you didnt lost your timepiece
Speaking of it
What happened to the Vanderbom house after 1935?
Did it shambled or something?
How did Rose got the timepiece back?
And are Frank and Leonard alive?
I thought she lived in NY
nah... dont sweat it they good
Bro won the war
But lost to a tree
Also
Did Rose completely abandoned the dog?? 😭
Or did Mr. Crow kidnapped it?

Maybe she did that so Laura wouldnt question why the dog never dies
Instead, she has a parrot that never dies
William after james dies: Hey bro
crow: Whats upppp? everything good?
william: yeah yeah, I'm good, but yo nephew not so much
crow: nah be fr
william: I'm telling you bro! he dead! anyways... you want his dog?
Mary seeing her husband in the floor and their dog sleeping:
"5 years"
Omg
Imagine
William: Yo, you wont believe it!
Mr. Crow: What?
William: James, he managed to create the elixir too!
Mr. Crow: Yo fr?? Where he at?
William: Ah, he dead bro
Mr. Crow: What? Mary's enlightened?
William: Nuh uh
Mr. Crow: Who's then?
William: The dog, bro
Mr. Crow: Ah hell nah the dog??
William: Yeah, I never thought Id be so jealous of a dog
Mr. Crow: Wheres the elixir tho? Did you got some?
William: Nah the dog drank everything
Mr. Crow: Everything?? Did you atleast got your jounal back?
William: Nah bro the dog ate it
Mr. Crow: THE DOG WHAT!?
William: THE DOG ATE IT BRO. THE DOG ATE MY HOMEWORK
Mr. Crow: WILLIAM, YOU HAD ONE JOB!! IM GONNA KILL THAT DOG!!!
William: YO CHILL HE JUST A DOG BRO
its 2:40 am here so yeah better if i do too
Bye bye 👋
byee
Recap so far:
Seasons
•Where/when it takes place?
•What was so bad about Harvey's Egg?
•Was Harvey originally killed?
•What were the blueprints for?
•How did Laura created an Elixir?
The Lake + Harvey's Box
•Were the CSs important people? Is Mrs. Pigeon related?
•Is the Tree relevant?
•Was Mr. Crow really there?
Case 23
•Does the Beetle matter?
•Are all convenient inconveniencies part of Mr. Owl's test?
The Mill
•Where did Harvey and Laura really went to?
Hotel
•Young Bird, Mr. Bat and Mr. Frog
•Corrupted Mr. Rabbit
•Was the smoke Lake scene real?
•White Cube
Birthday
•What exactly happens to Mr. Rabbit in the original timeline?
•1966
•Why Mr. Rabbit wasnt at the 1894 outbreak?
Roots
•When did the Brothers met Mr. Owl?
•Seed, Clock
•What was Mr. Crow doing inside the house at the beggining?
•How did they lost the journal?
•Unknown CS
•Parrot Harvey in 1891
•How does TPW Past affects 1926+ of Roots?
•What happened in Frank's and Leonard's povs?
•How did Rose got the Timepiece back?
•Did Rose abandoned the Dog?
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Random speculation:
James will be revealed to not have parents. He was actually an experiment made using the dnas of the Alchemist Brothers, with William's possibly being the "main" one as James is the closest Vanderboom to be just like William
Why did they mixed their dna?
Dont ask why!!
for the rabbit one there is a simple explanation actually
he just didn't went with his family - they were going against harvey and he said "fuck it, I'm out!"
he knew what he had to do
and was focused on it
that or mr, owl instructed him to

the rest of the family are a bunch of twats aimlessly walking around
mr rabbit, on the other hand, knew what he had to do
- why was owl using a diving suit? harvey could breath down dere just fine
and so could dale in paradpx
laura
and rose
I think the directly jumped into the water
Or the diving suit ignores the physics of the Lake and is able to float if you want to
Or it was just for protection
The rock in the dephts of the Lake could count as a mystery
Or how did they know about everything that was in the Book
It even shows that William would be reborn as Laura
So it was either written recently
Or a very old prophecy
Which William might or not have known
Also, does that Blue Cube belongs to someone?
Are are the Black and White from Laura the same that were extracted in the Mill?
Rusty Lake Paradise
Does the DayotLake really needs have the Plagues?
Are the appearences of Harvey and Mr. Rabbit really canon?
How much time did it took for the family to be enlightened?
What about the construction of the Hotel?
Were Caroline's memories extracted just like in her Book or did they appeared when she was burnt?
Or were they never extracted, but randomly popped into existence through the island?
Why Nicholas wanted it?
And why Caroline said to not let them use them?
#🩸|general-chat message I thought about it too
Were they conscient that her cubes could remove the plagues?
my idea is that the ingredients to the elixir are the objects pictured in her memories, the ones she drew on the underground of the island
Dale is gonna build a Rusty Lake Police Department
by sacrificing the cubes, they were removing the essence of said objects
and with the last one, jakob completed the elixir
what Nicholas was doing in the FlyDavid plague, was visiting one of Carolines memories, trying to figure out what object, hidden in there, was an ingredient
How does the paralel of Jakob and Dale really work in the DayotLake? Doesnt it have to be a sacrifice? The death of the firstborn? Or does it change in every situation?
I never saw it as a paralel
tbh
times change, things evolve
cults in island become victorian hotels
nothing is ever the same
and, in turn, that makes them... equal in a way
everyone has their own experiences, and that will shape the path one takes
When did Caroline got sacrificed?
What Dale will do is not set in stone, he will not mimic owl. Dale has become something more, but we can't know if there's only one version of that more
when she sent jakob away probs
How much time it takes between each plague?
In the memory, Elizabeth and David are already grown up when she is sacrificed
And considering the time between 1781 and 1796, I think it would be time enough to find all her memories
wild guess: they wanted to kill her so she started looking for the elixer, they found out what she was doing, she said nu-uh and they burned her at the stake
- does laura know about what she said in chapter2? or was that just owl gimmicks?
Ive played Paradox a couple of times, but I never really have a whole view of what happens in the game
It was Future Laura, so she probably does
but isnt the whole cube ordeal a fake simulation or sum
I don't think so
so... dave was catfished?
neat
then this is kinda wrong - or at least it can be. since there is no confirmation that laura knows about the risk
it would make sense, what nowhere, suggested, if she knew about the risk, but we have no confirmation she does
She knows about it because she died
Its supposed to be after the DayotLake
It might have not known before
we don't even know if she knows about the DaleVsLaura showdown at hotel
she had her eyes closed in Cave the whole time
But she would do in the Future after it
but after dying in hotel2 (and somehow comming back) she would have no chance of being choosen as MotL
of course she would not accept the offer
because there would be any
We still dont know if being a ruler of lady of the Lake means something
Just like "The memories belong to the Lake"
I assume its whatever position Caroline/Nicholas had and then Owl took over
I mean, they can acess any cube dissolved in the lake and affect its interiors, the people inside, their perception of reality... It looks powerful to me
Yeah
Harvey in Future Chapter 2 also appears as a parrot, which could be used as a clue that either he didnt got enlightened during the DayotLake 72 or they will retcon Future Harvey
Theres nothing important in Chapter 1, right?
Gotta wait for another Harvey game
wait
if the elixir was being made out of the dissolved cubes, doesn't mean that the well is a giant brewing pot?
and by extension, the whole laker?
In Paradox, you can call the Mill number and it will be the same voice from Case 23 instead of Mr. Crow's new voice
Maybe, but in both cases that the Elixir is made with the help of cubes, is because they contain the elements for the Elixir
but the well's water is connected to the lake
i'm sorry, but what does that have to do with harvey?
Thought we were talking about the elixir
no, I'm talking about the elixir, as means to explain Harvey being a furry
If we consider the one in Seasons, the 4 juices could also be it
But which Elixir?
the fruit, flower and mushroom would have grown with elixir-mixed water, but then the fuck was in that prozac?
Laura's depression
flower - birth - renewal, blooming
fruit - growth, maturing - development
mushroom - death, decay - decomposition
prozac - winter - still ness, sickness
makes sense
They could represent Laura's substances
And maybe it wasnt an Elixir of Life and Death
Cuz
It needs two people
Right..?
she killed emo laura
She killed William
It would be so meta if Seasons was the last chronological Game
Anyway, she doesnt become an Asura which is usually what happens to humans
Laura = Dog?
what if the elixir just moves you up the life ladder
Hottie Asura
Boring ass Human
Skibidi Corrupted Soul
hmm nah
Could be
otherwise the eilanders would have been resurected once they entered the lake
Maaaaaybee
Harvey was Asura
And he drank it
And become an animal
While CS Laura went back to human
so human is the peak?
Atleast is better than being corrupted
but better than asura?
oh wait!
what if he drank it after being corrupted by the hotel guests?
Weve never seen corrupted Harvey
nah, that doesnt explain the light beam
i like bob
Mr. Owl revived Harvey

The emoji is called Harvey's Egg!!!!
has there ever been a normal egg ever appear in the series that isnt harveys
Yes
which one was it?
The egg in School Street, or the one in Roots
well, I need to make lunch
idk its such a mandela effect since you see harveys so much
But my conclusion is as follows:
The recipe for the original elixir was known by, and only by, Caroline. Although she noted it in her journal, no one had access to it, so it was a secret only she knew. The ingredients were in her memory but after being burned at the stake, only her cubes had them. This is what Nicholas was searching for (before David performed and unsolicited lobotomy)
When Jakob sacrifices her cubes to the lake, in the well, the Lake's water dissolves the cubes, from which the ingredient's essence or physical matter can be removed. After dipping the last cube, the recipe for the elixir is complete. Slowly consuming him, the fire kills Jakob, granting enlightenment to the Eilanders. But the elixir allows someone else to live. A sacrifice had been performed (Jakob), allowing a soul to be enlightened (Jakob, as well).
What isn't so obvious is that the well is connected to the lake, and by extension, its water. Thus the elixir slowly, after many years, dissolved completely within the water. This explains TRT's notice: dipping a brain in water (since this is in RL, Lake's water) bleaches said brain. It washes away, dissolves, the memories in it contained.
Harvey was alive during the plagues, we see him in a secret easter egg, and he might have ended up drinking water infused with a big-enough elixir portion. The same applies to Mr. Toad, (frogs are seen during the 2nd plague) and for Mr. Bat too (The Cave is very near, and its possible a bat wandered around too
This is pretty much what I thought about Harvey as well
if anyone still has doubts: illustration - the elixir contaminating the lake from the well
TW: BAD ILLUSTRATION
frogs and toads are completely different, though its not impossible for a nearby toad be present and effected
my gran wouldve hung me if i didnt make that distinction
i love that rusty lake is a series where you can play with an old mans nipples
if i had a nickel
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There was an ingredient missing in the book
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Memory extraction via brain drowning isn't a thing
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The elixir wasn't in the water. Caroline was manipulating it in spiritual form in a purgatory
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Harvey drinking the well water is just another unjustified stretch
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The devs said that Mr. Toad and Mr. Bat used to be humans
Only a gay childhood crush so far
i honestly dont know what hes getting at
Who?
It's fiction. They want a magical world inspired by IRL cultures and other esoteric sruff
its really apart of the narrative to explore transformative ritual through memory and material, while theres religous references, religion isnt a factor
Both Mr. Toad and Bat are confirmwd to be humans
its a hard series to base beliefs in, the idea is ridiculous to even consider that anyone let alone a child would create these beliefs
The well is not in the Chapel tho
so?
@frosty birch I have no solid idea what the devs actually believe but they did make a game inspired by the biblical plagues and there's also an old flash game before Rusty Lake with Christianity references through and through.
Fall From Grace. Adam is the protagonist in search of Eve
Tbh, there's no explicit straight sex either
i dont think theres even any reference to straight sex let alone gay sex at all in the series
theres literally a lady that becomes pregnant through flowers
thats the closest thing
Its just used as a puzzle hint
Nothing suggestive or incitive
The Rusty Lake series was never made for children
The first game literally has depression/suicide
you feel? your criticising based on a feeling?
Theres nothing wrong with supporting communities, they deserve support just like any other human being
in a vague sense yes
If you dont like, email them or tell it on #💭|suggestions-and-feedback
You're just scared that a puzzle game, mind you, will make your son gay ans a way from "god"?
Man, they aren't teaching anything. They just tell a story and sometimes real world phenomena are being mashed up with a ton of magical stuff. The authors don't tell whether it's good or bad
Rule 4 of the server tells you to respect others and to not be sexist
I think you're just homophobic. Emphasis on Phobia
Among other things
Nobody thinks that
Do you think you can do magic if you read HP books 😭🙏?
It's fiction. Period
... What?
i think hes saying theres only one type of "sex" in his definition and its straight sex
Bro must be terrified of holding hands with someone of the same gender
And there you have it, people
Yes, he's good as gone
F
Gaydar doesn't miss
isnt gaydar for detecting gays and not homophobes?
May I ask you how old you are?
It works in reverse too
Ok, thx
it must be a cultural bias
It's a premium feature of Lgbt PLUS! 6$ per month is a pretty sweet deal
damn thats a steep price
Hummm, should we ping mod or?
I think they will eventually wake up
Anyways
Nowhere, could you explain better the psurgatory thing? I would like to understand it better, if you could
And why not?
Seriously, I want to have a giggle out of this
<@&358613639554400258> 🐈
Here we go
also i have a theory most rooms in the world of rusty lake have a 5th wall where they keep the door, such as case 23, the cave, the mill, ect
we just cant see them
behold, Dale
Seriously, everyone says this but I can't underatand it
There's some space where souls end up in between incarnations.
We've seen William being brought there by the roots and we've seen Jakob, Caroline and her cubes there
It's there where the elixir was created
Oh! The amber space?
You mean, that image of the sky with the stars layered on that red fire image thing?
I believe, there was no official name for it
Yep
That looked like Ambar so I thought it hapened inside the tree or sum
its almost womb like, with the weird fleshy tone of it, like the inside of an eye
Either way, it's starry indeed so I think it's a different plain of existence.
What did the end of samsara look like?
Could it be connected to stars from Seasons?
When we put the cubes in the phots
And the "hub" area with all 4 cubes
And the stars from Case 23 chapter 2 too
Samsara Room? Another starry space but violet and it stransitions into the lake. If I were to speculate, just visually
Ok, I'm starting to get it, the amber shows up after the fire which means that jakob died. And so he is being reborn. But the only rebirth we see is William's, does that mean that Jakob got corrupted when he died?
Strange how Rose was inside the clock
And then went to the Lake
As if she got teleported
I dont think so
His body appears normal in the screen
Could Caroline be reborn? And her CS was the catalyst to allow Jakob to be reborn too?
I think she either died for real, became a tree or something else
Why do you think so?
It's uncertain
Cuz we never see her again besides Paradox
We don't see William either
And she would possibly still have knowledge of the Elixir
not much
The game just shows her desintegrating or become some black circles
While for William, its shown that he is reborn
As Laura
Why would the soul need the cubes? Didn't caroline remember the ingredients? And if she didn't, how would she know what to look for in the memories?
i think it was more for her son rather than herself
also its the cubes themselves that form to create the elixar in paradise
If so, then what was nicholas searching for?
Its even possible that Mr. Owl and Mr. Crow already know how to do the Elixir
the ingredients in the memories
But the ingredients can only be found in William's memories
or just the memory of how to make the elixir
Then the memory is not an ingredient, the hidden item inside it
Maybe the item has to be inside the cube for it to work
The missing ingredient, I think
i dont think you can extract the ingredient from the memory
But you can learn what it is and get more
Like, for the Lake
point is good ol nick didnt really know what he was looking for thats why he couldnt find it
Unless you cant get more
What ingredients could apply to that position? Jakob's hair?
The missing ingredient was depicted as Caroline's mask
But what it actually means is beyond me
maybe its the concepts combining that makes the elixir
An essence of the old Ms. owl?
The missing ingredient is the plot
Guys please
the missing ingredient is family
It's obviously harveys egg
I'd say it's hard worldbuilding that's missing
only when the entire family gets together is when it finally works
Ans rules we still don't know about
jk im just imagining that one guy from fast and furious in rusty lake
Ok
Perhaps its objects extracted from memories?
And only she would be able to extract them?
maybe its a conceptual equation, balencing the conceptual weights to equal an elixir
Maybe more specifically owl?
What does "conceptual weight" mean?
in the same way that "balence the substances of your past lives", perhaps balencing substances representative of life and death would balence out like a chemical valence balencing of electrons to equal the substance of reincarnation into a physical substance
conceptual weight = substances representative
@floral veldt I think that whatever Caroline did in Paradise was a little deviation from the method beacuse she was dead, Jakob was dead and she conviniently had the right memories.
And the brothers didn't need it becasue they were alive and could get the ingredients in a physical form.
So instead of conceptual elixir made of ingredient memories they made a liquid elixir made from actual ingredients
okay... then, how would she have done it if she was alive?
What if the next game is a small free one like Samsara Room
I like free games
I guess, more or less like the brothers
Maybe something similar to what William and Aldous did with the alchemy?
We have Rusty Lake Escape but it could be anythingg
So if its launching in the 10th anniverdary, it could be a small game
Samsara Room was for the 5th anniversary after all
for the 10th anniversary they get added to fortnite
were getting a crow game soon
said the mr crow fanboy
Deleted the gif. You can keep that terrifying one in memes, though.
Not Harvey, of course. That gif is fine (although, do be wary of image spam in general)
ok
he has a key
where do you see that?
Oh, I made it
you GIF maker
And still havent made James gifs
who doesnt need a key?
Do you guys think Leonard's dream was just gameplay or Mr. Crow appeared in the war?
Gardengap's video talked about it
I think its a neat idea
who do you think took out franz ferdinand
Would be funny to have William and Mr. Crow at the war
i love gramps, he taught me how to make a gin and tonic
I wonder what they are gonna do in the next april fools
They already did nfts and ai
bring grandpa back from the dead and give him a twitter account
Gramps gets into Twitter beef in real time.
Honestly, it'd be neat if the character showed up again as Dale reflects
Dale casually commits a crime
crowl.
Rusty Lake death compilation
We stopped the recap at Paradox
I think the next one is The White Door, right?
yep
Soo
technically only 1-2 people die and bob technically lives and laura has died previously
The game ends but we dont really know what happens to Bob
also dont forget that one guy from the lab
or the other people in the basement
All the families die too
in underground blossom
does vincent van gogh technically count?
Corrupted Caroline could count as 2nd death
The entire Vanderboom except for Rose and Aldous
Laura dies twice
james gets poisoned
emma gets shocked
samuel and ida get impaled and burned
emma hangs herself
albert gets strangled
Samuel and frank get absorved by a tree
william gets poisoned too ig
the 2 police officers from 23
The Vandermeer parents died
it was just one, the other was bob
oh
Theatre Lady
also that random bird in 23
the Lady in Blue gets her throat slit
and the beetle in 23
Fish dies multiples times
fish and shrimp
dale if he fails at the end in 23
*Leonard
Dale ♾️
laura at the end of the cabin (CE Lake)
Harvey in HB
other cow
The goat
The Butterfly
All the fish
the hermit crabs
god knows how many nameless arms
The worm from UB lol
The bird from the 4th plague
johny's dignity at UB
All Samsara Room animals
UB pigeon
TWD mouse gets poisoned
the fish from cave
unnexpecified Deer's skull in mr deer's room
those flies in the spider web if you fail the spider minigame from cave
the fly from birthday
the fish from bday
vanderbloom brothers
Harvey in Seasons
said already
the duck, from the mill
said it too
movie dale from paradox the game
technically
caroline's parents
Margaret's husband??
bobs sex life
Dale's brother
the gin tonic recipe
Dale's son
the reflection
Jimmy Vandermeer
whoever that corrupted soul in roots was
lauras drawing skills
the robin
The Cubical Device
the janitor
mr owls lungs (smoking habbit)
william's nipples
Could Gerard be considered dead when we remove his heart?
Maybe
temporary
isn't medically dead when you heart stops beating?
Jakob was also dead for like ten seconds
im sure hes divorced
does the baby in the theatre toilet count?
yes
also bobs asshole (theatre)
Laura's plant from Seasons
The dead body from CE: The Lake?
damn yeah
already said it
wha
The innocents in "Massacre of Inocents" by Ludovico Mazzolino.
The fish that we break using a crowbar for some reason in Soul Street
lauras body in case 23
the fish in paradox's chapter 2
lauras sex life (technically)
the moth from the cave
All the rats that were fed to Albert in the Lab
The moth from Cave
said that
Dr Hoorn
the bug from that one hexagon puzzle
the sea cucumber we rip in half (in samsara room)
the butterfly caught in roots
I only remember the worst ones what
ida's marriage
The fish in Laura's fishbowl
the flies we feed him
And the firefly that killed him
franz ferdinand by association to ww1
All the people that Leonard killed during it
hitler by association to ww2 associated with ww1
the flowers we pluck in paradise
the flower in theatre
the flower of opium
the flower of deer poison
the rose mary smels
mr boars drug habbit
The fireflies the owl eats in the 8th plague
the deer skull that eats grass
So..
the sea urchins agonizing outside of water
There are no mysteries in TWD?
the egg that harvey laid we cooked
the crow egg we throw in the campfire
whatever was happening to the moon
not really, pretty open and shut
and whatever was happening in the moon
A mystery that Id like very much to be cleared is the chronology
Of when Bob meets Laura
we use dale's beard here, ok?
whats the difference?
I guess there's why Mr. Owl had "particular interest in his memories of The Woman"
TWD shows them meeting for the first time, UB shows they meeting again
Both wearing different clothes
mm ok
I think we can skip Samsara Room
Only cool details I remember are Rose's name in a book
And the Eilander island in one of the photos
And the secret ending with Young Laura and Rose with the timepiece
You know what would be good?
If you got another code in Roots after beating the alchemy level
And this code could be used as a substitute way of getting the symbols for Samsara Room
"Code" = the 4 symbols
All Deaths:
humans:
- William
- James
- Mary
- Emma
- Samuel
- Ida
- Albert
- Leonard
- Frank
- Ms. Vandermeer
- Mr. Vandermeer
- Dale (♾️)
- Movie version of Dale
- Grandpa
- Caroline
- Jakob
- Nicholas / Mr. Deer
- Gerard / Mr. Boar
- Margret / Ms. Pigeon
- Elizabeth / Ms. Pheasant
- David / Mr. Rabbit
- Mr. Rabbit in Birthday
- Theatre Lady
- Laura in the moon scene
- Laura in the theatre
- Laura in Case 23
- Laura in CE: The Lake
- Laura in Underground Blossom
- Policeman in Case 23
- Vincent Van Gogh
- Old Woman at the Mill
- Janitor at the Lab
- Corrupted Caroline
- Unspecified Corrupted soul in CE: The Lake
- Unspecified Corrupted soul in Roots
- Unspecified Corrupted soul in Harvey's Box
- Woman in Crib-Station Poster
- Franz Ferdinand in association to The Great War
Animals
- Harvey in CE: Seasons
- Harvey in Harvey's Box (♾️)
- fish, over and over and over again
- Shrimp
- Cow in The Mill
- Cow in Paradox
- Duck in The Mill
- The Goat
- The chick fed to the Owl
- The Butterfly Fed to the Owl
- The Butterfly killed by Albert
- The Hermit Crab, by Fly-David
- The Bird, by Jakob
- The Rabbit, by Fly-David
- The Squirel, by Jakob
- The Sea Cucumber
- The Sea Urchins
- The Worm in Underground Blossom
- The Pigeon in Underground Blossom
- The leeches
- Samsara Room Animals
- Mouse in The White Door
- Fish in the Submarine Segment
- Deer Skull in Mr. Deer's Room
- Flies in the Spider Web in CE: The Cave
- Fireflies fed to the fish in CE: Case 23
- Singular Fly in CE: Birthday
- 4 frogs cooked in Paradise
- Oyster open by Crab in CE: The Cave
- Goat Skull that eats grass
- Harvey's Egg in CE: Seasons
- Shell in many games
Plants
- The three flowers pluck in Paradise
- The Rose smelled by Mary
- The rose held up by Caroline
- Laura's Fruit Plant in CE: Seasons
- The Flower Harvey plucks in CE: Seasons
- The Mushroom used to make fuel
- The Tree cut down in Paradise
- The Flower of Deer Poison
- The Flower of Opium
- The Flower in Theatre
- Algae in Well
Case 23 chapter 4
ah
k
by the same logic Harvey dies every time he doesn't throw the fireflies in time
in Harvey's Box
Collection brings some new stuff teasing UB, like the Room 6 key which was just used like a random key in Soul Street 😭 We didnt got to see a Golden Cube in UB tho
But we did in TPW
And thats the biggest "mystery" of the game I think
73 diferent deaths I could recall
- 2 infiinities
- how many flies you wish to feed to the fish
3 if you count Laura in Lake too
forgot to include toilet baby
And whoever the severed hands belong to
discord doesnt let me write anylonger
Achieved the limit
And the Rose Tree too
So
Underground Blossom
Is Harvey Asura a real thing or not
How does Laura remember the Tree and Butterbee?
Why didnt Rose simply told Laura that she had to go away with her grandfather
There’s also the young crow eaten by the cat in Case 23
Either a plot hole or a genius plan
How Laura managed to paint her mom in the Lake..
Or hallucinations too
I tend to take it as gameplay
nightmares were confirmed, hallucinations were not
why does the Lab bathroom uses Sorrow Cross wall tiles
When does Soul Street take place
And why is the Thief there
And where
"Where"
Why did the Timepiece shattered 😔
Did Laura saw her mom or not
What is Albert gonna do
Is the flash with open eyes Albert relevant
Is RHR real
Ok we are done 🐈
my predictions
TWD/Second Maze was revealed in March 2019
The game got its title in May
And released in 2020
Samsara Room was basically developed in secret
It was also when The Past Within got its first video teaser
Another one in 2021 and finally released in 2022
But not at the beggining of 2019 I think..
Maybe at the ending
They said they were working in 3 games at the time
I presume the 3rd was UB
But Im not sure
I think if..
The game is released in the 10th anniversary, it will probably be "small"
But if the Trailer is released instead, it will have more time to be something bigger
If its a paid game, it could also have a demo
UB was title-announced in April and had the devlogs 1-3 basically some days before release
Both TPW and UB were big games
With years of work
Closest clue that the next game was being worked on for a year is the RLU Vanderboom campaign
And we could also just get the campaign in the anniversary
this image hurts my brain
How could AB past conclude Mr. Crow tho?
||it won't||

gotta set up 10 different spin-offs
I hope they atleast give a small personality to the brothers
is the bar this low
😔
"who needs personality when you have red hair" -someone at rusty lake, always
The only way I can see this game progressing the DayotLake is by explaining something about the Elixir/Golden Cube, showing another part of Owl's plan or introducin another element to the plot
Like how Cave introduced the Golden Cube
If not, the game will just a prequel story 💥💥 or "something else" like TWD
maybe... but cave was also like 8 years ago. If there is some super essential plot point, then they should have introduced it earlier
And it even has chances of bringing more unsolved stuff than solving stuff from the the previous games
Dont forget that each one of the prequels slightly progressed Dale's journey
Hotel -> Birthday
Roots -> Cave
Paradise -> Paradox
And atleast UB showed Laura rising too
Craziest Possibility:
In the 10th anniversary, the small Alchemy game is released and the Day of the Lake game is confirmed to be the next/being worked on
Best case scenario
well yeah
but like
idk i'm just very annoyed by another spin-off game
this time its worse because its the 10 year anniversary
A Mr. Rabbit game at th 9th anniversary would be peak
9th anniversary of what? Birthday?
Either Birthday or just RL in general
birthday's 9th anniversary is in, like, 2 months
rusty lake's 9th anniversary was back in june or smth
April
Posting games on anniversaries sounds cool
But I think they would prefer to have different dates for each game
"10 years of Rusty Lake" sounds cool and epic, but it doesnt need to be
I will wait for the New Year image
It can have a clue about their actual plans
Unless its just another box with a questionmark 💥
well its less about the date and more that it taking 10 years already is frankly speaking ludicrous, so them missing the anniversary means it's gonna take even longer
anyways this chat isn't the place for this stuff
I hope the vanderboom game is a first half of the year game and not a second half of the year game
not optimistic, though
Me too
"And we have some exciting plans for after the Underground Blossom release, which might be bigger than anything we have done so far at Rusty Lake!"
Is that.. is that the Day of the Lake? 👽👽👽👽
The Vanderboom game could really be just like Roots was to Cave
Last stop before The Day of the Lake
Atleast its not rushed
has rusty lake ever rushed a game?
Maybe behind the scenes but I don't think a game has ever felt rushed
Yeah
but also I think its perfectly valid to feel exhausted after 10 years of waiting
Ive seen some of the interviews from different years
They have lots of ideas and do a lots of brainstorming, and sometimes its hard to decide which idea to do next
Roots wasnt planned at first
I think its interesting how before Roots, Laura wasn't actually important
there are zero clues that Laura is actually imporant in any game pre-roots
she's just a random woman
Watching the first Roots made me think that Roots was just to make Laura important
pretty much
And didnt had Mr. Crow origin
Cuz James was named William
imagine James being Laura
Maybe the old plot was that you would play as James, then die with the Elixir and now you would play the rest of the game as his corrupted soul trying to revive by convicing the family
There didnt seemed to be a "Your uncle died" at first
you mean like an old version of roots? I don't think i'm aware of that
Yeah
Maybe even with Jimmy Vandermeer
And Oscar
I think Albert also had a different name
man, when roots came out
that was the hypest shit ever
I was refreshing the steam page like crazy
Rip Oscar
Quick theory:
Ida could have "helped" Albert to have future visions/dreams
His letters and notes in TPW have a lot of stuff that he would know if he had future visions
If we ever get a game about the Reiziger, it could be a good oportunity to show stuff about the future
I don't think Ida would do that
She married Samuel knowing all the bad stuff, so I can easily see her helping her murderer
Intentionally or not
we are talking about the universe in which time travel can be done with funny looking hexagons and where everybody can like reincarnate into everybody at some point and they all kill each other but actually kill themselves too or something I can't keep up, **right ?
**
nah, time travel is a crappy explanation on its own
oh no I offended the rusty theorists I'm sorry
yeah true
wait why
bro was stuck in a clock for like half the games I feel like if anybody should get a time pass it's him no?
For 1, you need evidence to justify its usage for every separate case
For 2, it can become a curiosity killer
wdym ?
"huh, it's time travel. Explains everything, I don't understand but still I'm no longer looking for an answer"
ooh yeah
All that aside, I think it was never meant to represent the guests. It doesn't make sense
I mean, in universe
it's a reference and a puzzle
probably yeah, people dont usually build a room with clues to escape it hahah
I don't mind though barely anything slips from the devs they've done so many details in everything !
OH YEAH i forgot I need to replay roots
The actual problem, nobody would tie up the secret combination with seemingly random placement of magical creatures across the lake. Especially considering that people normally don't see them
Your sentence will be: Get stuck in a time loop!!
Just posted my very last theories of the year!
Cool theory
but do we need to know James' origin?
I feel like he's the most unremarkable Vanderboom
No, but they have the oportunity and if they dont do it now
They will do it later
I dont think an explanation is needed 
why even have an ongoing narrative at that point, then
I just think itd be cooler to have more things than just the "main" thing of the game
You can still do stuff after you finish the main story
imagine if they made star wars movie 1 and 2 and then instead of finishing the story, they spent the next 30 years doing spin-offs and prequels
is this just what this chat is gonna devolve into every time?
me shitting on the franchise's schedule?
Yes
urgh what else is there
Rusty Lake 3
Before Day of the Lake
(It explains why Emma killed herself but now with more context)
yay
I wouldn't even mind these spin-offs if they added anything of value really
like show us where the guests come from?
Are they from places where its just animal people?
Like that'd be cool
if just like you get randomly born as an animal or a person, you can also just be randomly born as an asura (but without all the cool powers)
show us stuff like that
But instead we get Bob 😔
pretty much
getting more insight on these characters is nice but its not adding that much
and we've been doing this for 5 years
actually white door 5 year anniversary in like a week
I would like more TWD if it added more stuff and wasnt not just about Bob
I mean, I think its fine? It's his game
I don't think we needed a game about him
but fine
actually, the idea that people can just get (re)born as asuras makes a lot of sense to me. It would explain people like Toad and Bat and I could even believe that the guests are the Eilanders, just naturally reborn as asuras instead of magically reborn (keeping their memories, getting cool powers, etc)
Paradise 2
back when paradise came out, I kinda disliked it because it wasn't as good as Roots
but now its like
at least that game introduces a bunch of new concepts to us
new characters, locations, etc
I wish Rusty Lake had better world building
like I wish we had actual location names
yeah, that's another thing I dislike. Everything we see about the world of RL is so heavily... rusty lake themed
How is rusty lake this mysterious unknown place when Mr. Owl is on the fucking money
We are finally getting a game between Paradise and Roots
It has a lot of potential
But I can see they not showing Mr. Owl at all and just putting a letter by him
I can see the game simply having no date (year) just like UB
well
unless it's metaphorical bullshittery like UB, placing this new game on a timeline should be a lot easier
I can see the game being just a bunch of random puzzles that only in the end has something actually relevant
if that's the case i'm leaving this franchise for good
😭
The only "confirmed" content are the brothers atleast existing and it being inside the house
that's good, that's good
I hope their ideas get insane this time
So insane that Nowhere will take 4 years to make a deep dive about it
the way I see it
the game will be good if it proves my theories right and his wrong
Risky nickname
There

There usually is a Corrupted Soul in every game
Wonder who's gonna be in this one
They would not repeat William's death a 4th time.. right..?
Nah its gonna be bird soul
Hear me out:
The next game begins with Dale still in the elevator, he looks at the Golden Cube.. and the game begins
🗣🗣
Bold
And then it ends with (hopefully) the last "The Day of the Lake" aah cliffhanger

Unless this is the big project they said in the interview
And the game is bigger than Roots
And the Alchemy past is just the first chapter
But I doubt cuz the game is mainly Alchemy for now
Unless!!
They were lying or purpose to surprise us

Was wondering about the current conflict within Rusty Lakes
Right now the main focus seems to be the two birds telling Dale to sacrifice himself to save Laura, and that he doesn't have a choice, with Dale being conflicted
Maybe this conflict seems to have taken way longer than I'm good at judging, just because the
There's several games that have built up to it. Case 23, the cave, theatre, birthday and of course PARADOX all come to mind. We even had a short film and all kinds of weird easter eggs and hidden messages about it!!
I appreciate the devs not hiding essential lore in the series behind easter eggs
Because even without them, you can sort of still piece together the story
idk I'm just musing
happy new year btw
I mean, some of the achievements do reveal quite a bit
achievement: fine dining
And then some of them are just random stuff like that
yeah lol otherwise I'd be concerned
I'd say the main focus is Albert and Rose
But we could be indirectly going back to Dale in the next game
I have Albert and Rose comeback in my bingo
It's kind of the opposite. He has a choice or at least as much as any elixir duo has. The way I see it, its not yet decided whether or not Dale or Laura will be the winner (unless you view Seasons and UB taking place after their finale, which would imply that Laura loses the draw)
What do you think will happen once the results become clear?
Since Dale is the most likely to be enlightened, he will become Deva and Laura will be corrupted
Somehow, Dale might "stop" the corrupted guests
And maybe later or in the same moment, Mr. Owl may die, change realms or reincarnate
With Mr. Crow having a unknown fate in the moment
Same for Harvey
pretty much
But thats all the expected since Cube Escape The Mill
I think the devs know that and they would make either alternate endings or pull out different outcomes/a plotwist
