🤔｜theories

[royal notch]

I agree with place and importance, but i'm unsure about all the rest. I may agree with Aldous being present, but the plan execution associated is persistent like him, making me doubt of them both.

[rancid slate]

Maybe he needs some money and Mr. Owl doesnt pay him

So hes doing all sidejobs

[azure bay]

I may have been like Paradox. When a person sleeps and sees these people's projections in their dream

but since we have another perspective it's definitely not that

It's an illusion at most

[rancid slate]

Whats the problem of Aldous being there?

[azure bay]

as far as I get, "No shot, no need for Aldous"

but it's not just about the shot

I tend to think that memories where extracted back then

and Bob did turn corrupted

[rancid slate]

He actually got corrupted because there was no toilet paper

If they say that the memories belong to the Lake and UB Laura says that the Lake belongs to her, so that means she also has control of the memories?

[vivid bridge]

rusty lake powerscaling

[azure bay]

I'm not sure the devs know themselves what they meant by the lake belonging to Laura

[rancid slate]

She wrote her name there

So now it's hers

What if the White Cube actually belongs to a character that we did not see in Hotel?

And was in Room 6

[azure bay]

it came from the kitchen

after we brought the final meal

all 5 guests are present inside the cube

I'd rather bet on a collective memory

[rancid slate]

Who let them cook

[azure bay]

wdym?

[rancid slate]

Just joking

[rancid slate]

Like Caroline 💀💀💀💀 or an actually new character

[azure bay]

I think I need to abandon my hopes

[rancid slate]

Nah it couldnt be Caroline

[vivid bridge]

crack theory: the white cube from hotel is the white cube paradox house. So it's not showing the future as much as just bringing you to the bottom of the lake, where time is all fucky anyways

[azure bay]

I believe something like that was said recently

[vivid bridge]

maybe, I don't read everything thats said in here

sometimes you people talk a lot

[azure bay]

Not that I mind. Just different people independently coming to the same conclusion is a good thing

[vivid bridge]

well I don't really believe it myself. I don't think that's how cubes work

man

I wish they would show us what happens if a person enters an unrelated memory

we've only ever seen people enter memories where they can take their past-self's spot

[azure bay]

I think Harey did that ritght then right there

[rancid slate]

Could be Dale's grandpa

But clearly Mr. Crow wasnt in the elevator with Dale

Unless they have some mental powers that can access people's memories from far away

[vivid bridge]

there could be multiple cubes that lead to the same memory

or its just maaaagic

[rancid slate]

Could be a cube that was already altered

Or the Lake really does change the memories

[vivid bridge]

yeah

[rancid slate]

Theatre cube is more likely to be the first option ofc

[vivid bridge]

theatre is the most altered cube we've seen so far

it barely resembles the original event

[rancid slate]

We need a 3rd game showing Theatre but now Aldous's pov

Rusty Lake make drinks simulator

[rancid slate]

Enhanced version of the drinks we make in CE Theatre

[remote remnant]

what about theatre from the fish' perspective

[rancid slate]

Exactly!!

[rancid slate]

What about Theatre from the lady's perpective

Rusty Lake Rhythm game

Rusty Lake Karaoke

[royal notch]

I think it was me. I tried to make fall that cube in the "past category" by suggesting it could have been extracted from someone staying at the Lake's bottom and witnessing future scenes. Sorry for disappearing anyway, that bus brought me to school!

[royal notch]

Let's start a discussion: why do you think Mr Deer's corrupted soul didn't physically attack Dale?

[honest brook]

Maybe he would have, that might be why it's timed

[royal notch]

I tend to disagree because he actually attacks Dale psycally, making gory vision and distorcing his view like Laura's corrupted soul did in the mill. But while she also actually attacked Harvey and would probably try the same on Aldous, Mr Deer's one seems kind of... overconfident?

[honest brook]

I thought you said in your previous message that "Mr Deer's corrupted soul didn't physically attack Dale"

[royal notch]

That's what i wrote, yes.

[remote remnant]

dale has plot armor

And according to his feats, dale scales above corrupted deer

[royal notch]

:-You can't kill me, i'm the main character!-.

[visual coral]

Deer CS does attack Dale and kills him, that's why the Lake gives us the second chance

[royal notch]

But i wonder why not physically and just trying to break his brain.

[visual coral]

I think he did eventually attack him physically and that what killed him
Deer CS did took it's time killing that poor deer

I think that vision thing it just a visual sign of a rampaging CS
Cause Laura's CS does physically attack the cow and Harvey and Deer CS does kill the deer

[royal notch]

Was that real? It seemed more a vision as well, that deer had no way to get there.

[remote remnant]

Are CS stronger than uncorrupted humans or is everyone just too scared to fight back

[visual coral]

Just like the fish had no way to get to the mouse trap, but it does happen often in RL games

[royal notch]

Mr Crow didn't seem that scared in the mill, so i suppose they're actually stronger.

[royal notch]

That's something out of the ordinary that is used for puzzles, but that deer has some specific values about it, and in fact it reappears in Paradox.

[visual coral]

Well, we did see Bob's CS hang a policeman
I think he would have fought back

[azure bay]

https://tenor.com/bRcfa.gif

[visual coral]

The deer is connected to Dale from the beginning cause we know he'll become a deer Deva so I see no issue of it appearing out of simbolism

[royal notch]

What do you mean? Being symbolically connected with deers shouldn't give you the ability to make it spawn whenever.

[azure bay]

ok so, I tend to think the deer specifically is somehow Mr. Deer himself.

But on the other hand we've never seen CS killing somebody in a non-physical way

[royal notch]

Right, this is the only case.

[azure bay]

nope

we can't say that for sure

I'd rather assume that Rusty Lake just didn't want to go graphic with that

we don't really know what happened but we don't have a precedent to assume an exception

[visual coral]

Ok, I just checked - even though it says in Case 23 that the Cabin is on a small island from Roots on forward they depict it as beeing connected to the landmass. So they might have retconed the Cabin's location now and it makes logical sense that the deer could be next to it
Or it could be just simbolism and what I mean by that is more of a gameplay element ment to emphasize Dale's connection to the said animal

[royal notch]

I agree with that, meaning that at least back then that was meant to be a foreshadowing disturbing hallucination.

[azure bay]

there's no reason for a hallucination

an illusion... maybe

a weird scary deer for a weird and scary sake... maybe

But Dale wasn't supposed to be an unreliable narrator in that game

[royal notch]

What do you mean by distinguish "hallucination" and "illusion"?

[azure bay]

illusion is someone's deception

hallucination is someone being high or crazy

Bob is crazy on Day 5 in TWD

Paradox is Mr. Owl's illusion

illusion is external, hallucination is internal

[royal notch]

Okay. Then i think that's some Mr Deer's corrupted soul's illusions.

Used to weak his mind and killing him, whithout moving and inch for some reason.

[azure bay]

us not seeing him moving doesn't mean he didn't move

actually he did in the original version

#💭｜suggestions-and-feedback message

#makemrdeerspookyagain

[royal notch]

It seemed more he just projected himself, to incentivate the sense of dread. For instance he can't fit in the box. #makemrdeerspookyagain as well!

[honest brook]

Corrupted souls seem to be more fluid

[azure bay]

projections seem like another baseless assumption

[azure bay]

I think that depends. The devs shared an idea that there are degrees of corruption.

Like cs with a skirt are more "pure" probably meaning more corrupted

Laura being a blob in UB could mean her especially miserable state until Harvey pokes her

[remote remnant]

ngl, My interpretation is that CS with skirts are female & with legs are male

[honest brook]

What about Laura in UB?

[azure bay]

and Mr. Deer and Mr. Boar after Hotel

[royal notch]

She was a complete blob in Soul station, until she catches the insect.

[honest brook]

But after that, she doesn't have the skirt, so it can't be completely gender related

[remote remnant]

maybe shes trans

?

[azure bay]

according to the devs (which they generally said may or may not change), it's definitely not gender related

[royal notch]

No, i suppose is because she got a sparkle of hope.

[remote remnant]

There definitely are stages

the half corrupted guy in The Lake

the regular soul with 2 legs

[azure bay]

it's not that

[remote remnant]

?'

[azure bay]

it's a regular fleshy corpse with a CS dormant inside

[remote remnant]

oh woah

wdym "dormant inside it"

[azure bay]

like Laura in The Mill. A body that's covered with corruption if provoked

If Laura's soul was reborn, if it wasn't there in some form, there wouldn't be memories nor corruption

[limpid galleon]

Holaa

Sé que parece tonto, pero ese mamut es importante o aparecera de forma oficial en algun juego?

[prime raft]

Hi, I am playing the past within and I am stuck on the lens part. Does anyone know what they’re talking about when you communicate the time to the person in the past and it says unlock the lens?

[rancid slate]

It is for an upcoming game

[limpid galleon]

La historia de RL se extiende hasta la prehistoria??

[azure bay]

Is it supposed to be a lore question?

I'm a bit confused

[frosty wolf]

i dont think so because they seem to be stuck in the game and are asking for help (?)

[prime raft]

Sorry never used discord before and it’s pretty confusing. The game said to ask questions in discord but no further instructions on where to go to ask once here

[covert wyvern]

Normally Onboarding should take care of that, haha. either way for help with The Past Within you can ask in #tpw-help sorry for the confusion:)

[remote remnant]

Its time for us to start asking the real questions

Did Dale have a beard when he was nine?

[strange raft]

Probably

[azure bay]

actually no, he never had a beard

it was a parasite living on his face until he finally decided to kill it using a razor. He didn't even care about risking his own life in the process how done he was

doctors advised against such radical measures pushing him towards an expensive long-term treatment

[remote remnant]

But he refused.

[thorn chasm]

Say what now?

Which game do we learn this (gonna go play/ watch walkthru/ read wiki)

[visual coral]

the Mammoth game

Dale's beard is the mammoth actually

he was with us all along

[rancid slate]

Yup

[thorn chasm]

Whats the mamoth game

Where am I? What year is this?

[rancid slate]

20000 BC

[thorn chasm]

Oh thank oog

[rancid slate]

Its a game that Rusty Lake teased some years ago

[thorn chasm]

Thought id lost it

[thorn chasm]

Oh?

[rancid slate]

The teaser was a just a 🦣 and the year of 20000 BC

So thats all we know

[stoic minnow]

Wow, nice to see you there!
It's a pity that it's also a moderator's duty.

[covert wyvern]

For obvious reasons I try to stay out of actively theorising these days;)

[remote remnant]

You ascended to a higher state of conscientious?

[cosmic iris]

(not sure what thread to put this in)
Do you think Mr. Crow & Owl would get angry if someone didn't do what they wanted them to?
I had a dream of Mr. Crow and Owl || straight up trying to kill Dale for refusing to do what they wanted. And I mean using telekinesis too. It was animated like a dark cartoon.||

[floral veldt]

Lmao, probs... they didn't feel any remorse in... ummm... cooking dinner so...

[honest brook]

I wouldn't think so, they don't seem to be driven by emotion

[rancid slate]

Yeah

[cosmic iris]

Now that I think about it, if the above was true, they probably wouldn't have given Dale that Morpheus-grade choice in Paradox

|| even if the whole thing was just a simulation on its own ||

[azure bay]

we don't know for sure what the choice was in Paradox

it's not simply about the vials

and apparently it's not about "kill or die"

[floral veldt]

So, @honest brook, first I need to ask: what are cubes?

[azure bay]

I'm insulted

[floral veldt]

Why so?

[azure bay]

just ironically pretending to have a superiority complex

[azure bay]

I think if we speak of cubes in general, they tend to be containers and in most cases doorways

Black and white cubes are usually considered memories

I assume that's because they are supposedly always extracted from people's heads

but they go far beyond that

[floral veldt]

Indeed they do!

Memories are key

They keep the past alive

The past is not dead, it hasn't even passed

And they are what makes the past true or false

If everyones memories of titanic get altered to an idea of it sunking by a building defect. Then it happened. Does a tree fall if no-one is there to hear it?

[azure bay]

the phrase is actually "The past is never dead, it's not even past"

but its interpretations are another can of worms I'd prefer not to open yet

[floral veldt]

So cubes shape the past, and how we interact with it

Take for example, the two roses. If they are just memories, how could try alter the other's time? Well, they think, therefore they are. Everytime someone remembers the past, it comes to life again

[azure bay]

and that's the topic I like. I think black and white cubes are able to change not THE past but A past

For me, The Past Within has revealed a lot

[floral veldt]

And made Albert a chad

[azure bay]

other theorists may disagree but it gave a handful of evidence that broke the debate "memories vs reality"

[floral veldt]

The thing is.. Memories are reality

[azure bay]

yes but it's not that straightforward

[floral veldt]

So, I ponder now, how could mr. Rabbit show up outside his room... While he was still alive?

[azure bay]

the idea that cubes change nothing but a person's perspective has a lot of followers

[azure bay]

let's deal with cube mechanics 1st and then see if Rabbit is able to fit

[floral veldt]

Ok then, lets ask, where do cubes come from? How do we gain access to them?

Are they manifestations of one's consciousness?

[azure bay]

if we take this statement simply like that we end up canceling most of the games some of which are yet to come out

The contradiction started with Seasons

if Laura never died then there was never case 23 and everything it resulted in

[floral veldt]

Then we need to ask what dale hasn't solved yet... How did she die?

[azure bay]

that's simple

depression and suicide, the evidence is solid. We know how and we know why

we've seen her memory in The Cave

and we've seen the reason in Underground Blossom

[floral veldt]

The soul we see slicing her throat in paradox is nothing but a metaphor? I love metaphors

[azure bay]

apparently

back to the cubes and back to The Past Within. Because it does almost everything that other in-cube games do and even more

for 1, it gives us another additional perspective

Rose both inside and outside is a separate thinking person

[floral veldt]

they think, therefore they are! OMG RENE DECARTES

[azure bay]

yep, the one inside is able to react on external stimulus

but what's more, so is Past Albert

[floral veldt]

Not only that... she can rationalize entirely! she has agency over her thoughts!

[azure bay]

and so does Past Albert

and he even knows things Past Rose doesn't

making cubes more objective then "just memories"

[floral veldt]

it helps separate mind and soul. A soul does not need the mind, but the opposite must be true. therefore Past Rose is a completely new entity

[floral veldt]

they are gateways to a past

our interpretation of it, our perspective

and it exists as long as our mind does

[azure bay]

not sure about the mind part but yes, it's a gateway to a past indeed because what comes next is even crazier

we get a confirmation that it's materialistic

we literally get Albert's matter that we use to recreate his body

but it's not the biggest part

[floral veldt]

what is?!

[azure bay]

it's the fact that the cubes switch places

[floral veldt]

how so?

[azure bay]

they created a cube with The Future

a moment

[floral veldt]

also, I find fascinating how rose puts her mind in the cube, in which the cube version of her put her mind in the cube, so they switch minds, at the same time they do. and you can see what happens right after. They exit the cubes

[honest brook]

So what were you going to say about Mr. Rabbit then?

[azure bay]

yeah. And it's a shame many miss this part

anyway

the fact that both the cubes act the same and that both Roses escape to the lake where cubes supposedly float makes me think that all reality cubes are equally real and all realities are cubes

but they are still different realities

or rather separate

[rancid slate]

Your brain tricks you into thinking the cubes arent real

[azure bay]

if they were led to the same world at different times Past Rose's escape would undo even more than Seasons

[rancid slate]

(Im just waiting for Max to talk about Mr. Rabbit too

[azure bay]

so they have to be mutually isolated

speaking of other cubes however is even less straightforward.

Blue cubes are tools to manipulate time. Not sure if they actually contain it.

Golden cubes are a mess. In The Cave it's supposed to be William's elixir. In TPW it's just another world

[rancid slate]

Rose's Past Cube has Rose in it

If Future Rose acessed it, would she take place of Past Rose?

[floral veldt]

I'm sorry. I'm not good now. Sorry

[rancid slate]

It's ok, dont need to hurry 👍

[azure bay]

I think she would temporarily merge with her. Forget everything about the world outside and go with the flow

like Laura in Seasons and Dale in Birthday

they don't act like time travelers until they actually time travel with a blue cube

btw @rancid slate
why australium so suddenly?

[rancid slate]

TF2 7th comic released yesterday

[azure bay]

really?

[rancid slate]

Yeah 🗣

[azure bay]

k, I know what I'm doing next hour

[rancid slate]

It does take a hour to read

[floral veldt]

Reality is an illusion created by the prespective of an individual

This, experiemces the world through his memories

For which reality is imprisioned in tjose 6 squares

Enlightenment

Get out of that limited view

Escape

Cube escape

[azure bay]

If it were purely a matter of perspective it would all be limited to Rose with Albert having no clue what to do next

it's not that you rewrite what you remember and some reality change

Laura is still dead outside her cube

and Dale started case 23

Rose didn't escape from 1926 originally and had a chance to create Laura

but inside the respective cubes they did change things

and these cubes are basically at the same level as their home realities

all cubes floating in the lake

[azure bay]

and enlightenment was never clearly stated to be about that

more often than not it's about becoming a furry

[honest brook]

The cubes are a bit like gateways to alternate timelines, aren't they? That are all equally real

[azure bay]

yeah, you could say so

[stoic minnow]

What about Past Albert? Why do his CS know about everything? How he can have knowledge about Future?

[vivid bridge]

plot convenience

[azure bay]

I see no problem in Rose contacting him beforehand

[royal notch]

I say he's sure about what is happening: he planned for Rose to resurrect him with a cubical device in the future, so what he is witnessing is for him the actualization of his goal.

[floral veldt]

Question: paradox happens while dale is in the -1 level of the hotel right?
couldn't that also be seasons for laura?

[royal notch]

Many tend to disagree because of their differences: while Dale is in a virtual test, achieving the knowledge the enlighteneds teach him, Laura seems to navigate between her 4 different memories, overcoming her traumas.

[floral veldt]

when you press the lever on the machine dale goes from normal to corrupted. Laura does the opposite (corrupted soul to normal), like she does in seasons at the end, using the phone to clear her soul or wtr that was

[royal notch]

I'd say it could be more a foreshadowing for UB's secret.

In the end of Seasons Laura lives happily, why would she get to die once again to grant Dale enlightenment?

[floral veldt]

didn't you said it was a virtual test?

[royal notch]

Paradox.

Seasons' memory travels seems more real than that.

[floral veldt]

what leads you to think that?

[royal notch]

While Dale has a greater goal planned by others, Laura is following a personal one. Plus, she actually travels between her own memories and in the end she gets an happy ending, even if in a memory that as we know it's just another reality.

[rancid slate]

With UB now released, I think people agree more that UB/Seasons ending is after Paradox and not during it

Nowhere pointed out that qhen you get to Big White Cube in UB, Laura's voice echoes "Where did go?" representing the fact that 1972 Laura still does not know where is Rose

In Paradox, Future Laura also tells us about the Day of the Lake, about one of us dying and the the other finding enlightenment. The games always have been hinted Dale enlightening, so Laura will probably die again and then Seasons/UB will happen

[floral veldt]

but at the end of UB she gets up through the elevator

she could be going after dave gets enlighted and say "this is all mine gtfo" but we travel in the secret train to hotel and mr.owl is saying that the day of the lake is comming. So noone has yet been choosen

[azure bay]

He still knows too much for sure. There's no way he'd know that Rose will survive till specifically 1984 and have knowledge and technology to set his plans in motion.

[honest brook]

The Hotel station seems to take place at around the same time as Crib Station, probably the 1930s, if the train map is supposed to be some kind of timeline

[floral veldt]

oh yeah... thats true too...

[royal notch]

Absolutely, his prior knowledge is still unknown, i was answering on why he didn't seem unsure about his sourrondings.

[azure bay]

@floral veldt the thing is, Seasons look more like Birthday and Theatre than Paradox. Normal memory cubes and not a constructed dreamscape.

Then, as Sp pointed out, Seasons look like Laura's personal adventure with no confirmed presence of Mr. Owl's team.

Finally, the latest date of Seasons is 1981. Hypothetically it's possible to have a future inside a cube but more likely than not these are normal past memories and therefore Seasons take place long after The Cave, Paradox and upcoming "Hotel 2"

[narrow ridge]

Hey what is the full formula of the elixir of life that Caroline did? And if the Vanderboom brothers create the elixir through alchemy how does that alchemy work? Does the ingredients have correlation to Caroline first recipe? If not does that mean you can get the elixir by different ways? Would it be possible to create an elixir that doesn't require one creature to die to get immortality on the other?

And why do Mr owl need a successor when the dog and Harvey don't need any "refill" on the formula? Harvey is older than Mr. Owl as it appears on the island so how is it able to still live? Could that be related to the fact we see (her?him?) change forms so much?

[floral veldt]

My theory is that the ingredients were somehow embedded in carolines memories, we see it during Jakob's inceneration.

when we return the cubes to the well the ingredients were being somehow mixed and when Jakob finishes it (the same time the family comes to burn him) the elixir is complete and Jakob becomes immortal

[azure bay]

The more or less exact formula was highlighted in the end of Paradise. It's the closest thing to certainty we'll ever have. Most of elements are straightforward like chalk, wood and copper but some are less clear and may symbolize something more abstract. The most questionable ingredient is the secret final one. The mask which doesn't really make sense at face value.

Either way I think it was originally alchemical, only produced in a spiritual form due to circumstances, and the Vanderboom brothers just recreated it physically as intended. In Paradox film specifically Caroline's book features both her formula and their initials on the same page.

The devs said that the enlightenment requires elixir which has many forms and probably many ways of creation and probably different effects. Because they also said that there somehow was some form of elixir even in Seasons. If I were to speculate, I'd say that Laura used it to fight corruption and nobody else died as far as we know. But I'm not at all sure it could be used to prevent William's death, for example.

Speaking of the dog, by all logic it does need a refill eventually. We clearly see that it poops out elixir particles so Crow and Owl are able to reconsume them. I think the dog is still alive simply because it had its elixir relatively recently and its effects are still in order.

And Harvey shouldn't even be an asura, all evidence considered. His death and resurrection by Owl (easy to miss) in Birthday's secret, being unable to easily escape a mere cardboard box, being marked as an animal in samsara wheels. I hope his look in Underground Blossom is just another metaphor and not a retcon. Otherwise the devs are crippling their own story and canon.

[azure bay]

I'll say more, Caroline deliberately extracted the elixir elements after catching Jakob's soul in the purgatory

[narrow ridge]

Yeah Harvey is the true paradox of the RL games.

[narrow ridge]

So the elements have a part of memory in them in the case of the elixir Caroline made?

[floral veldt]

we see how they are embeded in each of carolines memories (cubes) like the heart being held over jakob that she witnessed

its as if the ingredients are being removed from her memories

thats why they wanted her cubes, the ingredients were hidden in them

[narrow ridge]

And Caroline was the only one who could access them but she needed Jakob to sacrifice the cubes that way she could get out the ingredients?

[floral veldt]

he's a menacing murder bird and we love him

[narrow ridge]

#weloveharveyoursillybird

[azure bay]

What she did was taking her cubes featuring them, extracting the elements (or their ideas idk) and making them react together.

As I think about it, the golden cube was created more or less in the same way in The Cave. They took Laura's cubes still containing William's memories and the machine made an elixir-related cube out of them

[azure bay]

she wasn't per se

she was worried that Nicolas could do that if he knew better what and where to look for

[narrow ridge]

That's other thing I had to ask, The golden cube, what does it do?

[floral veldt]

maybe its because that way the eilanders would have no way of accessing them. we see during the fly-david plague that Nicholas was trying to access it so yeah hes dangerous

[azure bay]

currently it's a mess

[floral veldt]

not to say that during hotel he keeps investigating the lake

which is something owl doesnt want

[narrow ridge]

I can't comprehend how someone that drink leech blood can be that smart truly

But we have our good old Harvey to take care of him

[floral veldt]

everything is safe in paradise

except for livestock

and flies

and families

and locusts

[narrow ridge]

and the giant mantis

[floral veldt]

#ripgoat

[narrow ridge]

#ripgoat

[floral veldt]

Nah he just wanted to take Margret for a date

[azure bay]

in The Cave it's heavily implied to be another form of the elixir. But in The Past Within it's like a completely different thing. Just another cube world likely created in a completely different way.

You can't even say that it's strictly a "future cube" because in Hotel a white cube did the same thing just fine

[narrow ridge]

Yeah they went to kill some flies

[floral veldt]

I dare to say that time isn't really a thing anymore

[azure bay]

if it ever was

[narrow ridge]

Maybe it can do all of that

Maybe that's why they make it and give it to Dale

He and Laura were supposed to become the successor of mr.owl

[floral veldt]

I refuse to acknowledge that white cube. It should have been golden. really

[narrow ridge]

So maybe it is like the control tool for the lake?

[azure bay]

no, it shouldn't. Mr. Owl wasn't supposed to have it back then from the narrative pov

[floral veldt]

doubt it. Albert made one in PW... and he wasn't trying to control the lake or anything

[narrow ridge]

This is paradoxical [see what I did there?]

[azure bay]

maybe but it's weird and requires further explanation. We'll definitely see it in "Hotel 2" and I hope it will address this confusion and not enhance it

[floral veldt]

I just want to get to the Roots of this mess [I DID IT TOO!]

[floral veldt]

It should be called Rusty Lake Day or sum

[narrow ridge]

We are so fun [Mr.owl energy]

[azure bay]

There was Rusty Lake Escape sneakily teased a while ago. No clue if it's THE thing but still

[floral veldt]

I'll ask Harvey to bake a cake, hope no needles are in this time

[floral veldt]

where can I see that?!

[azure bay]

8 years anniversary "roadmap"

a "where's Waldo" type of things featuring references to past games, current events of the time and some future teasers and you don't always know which is which

[floral veldt]

I can't find the 8th anni one :(

[azure bay]

a moment

[honest brook]

I think it was this? But it says 7th https://blog.rustylake.com/7-years-of-rusty-lake/

[azure bay]

sorry

I misremembered that

it was 7 years actually

[floral veldt]

omg owl wheres your husband?????????

oh I see it in the corner

but could it be like "Rusty Lake; Escape Rooms" or sum?

[azure bay]

don't think so. It's as if the lines are centered and the only thing cut out is the "ke" of the "lake"

plus the color palette of RL subseries

also

MAMMOTH LIIIIIVES!!!!111!!!11!!!!

[floral veldt]

I NEED HIM

Were these letters something important?

[azure bay]

the past is never dead

TPIND

[floral veldt]

oh ic

[narrow ridge]

Important question. I am trying to get a hold of what the elixir does.

So it's an exchange offer where you need two individuals. One will die and the other will become enlightened. But, does that mean the one who dies becomes a corrupted soul? [As we saw that William became corrupted, one of Laura or Dale will become corrupted and technically Coraline was corrupted before fusing with Jakob]

[rancid slate]

@narrow ridge it says that one person dies, so death is one of the outcomes

The corruption is result of his death

Not the Elixir

[azure bay]

possibly

[rancid slate]

Caroline died too when she consumed the Elixir and did not fused with Jakob

[azure bay]

we can't be sure

[rancid slate]

Yeah

[azure bay]

I think they knew William would go currupted so they researched the rebirth ritual in advance

[rancid slate]

But as people can be corrupted and alive, its safer to assume the corruption was more related to the death than the elixir itself

[azure bay]

I don't think it's safer

it could be elevating one for lowering the other

[narrow ridge]

Then what triggers the corruption? And how would they know?

[rancid slate]

Lets drink and find out

You drink first, brother

[narrow ridge]

That makes more sense I think

[narrow ridge]

sure

[azure bay]

I don't think it means anything

[narrow ridge]

I want to become a corrupted soul and do silly poses

[azure bay]

it doesn't matter who drinks 1st

[rancid slate]

Just quoting

[azure bay]

ON THE OTHER HAND the rebirth ritual could be set in motion just IN CASE of corruption. Otherwise I'd expect a natural rebirth

[rancid slate]

So this imply the possibility of an asura going back to human if they drink the Elixir?

A non-elixir asura

[azure bay]

maybe. maybe not. we need more references

[narrow ridge]

That would also give a possibility of higher elevation

You know you get lucky two times now what are you?

[azure bay]

it's already the thing but it's unlikely about asura going even higher. I expect Dale becoming a deva right away

[rancid slate]

He takes two sips

[narrow ridge]

Most probable it wouldn't have effect on an elevated being

Or lowered

Because if not why not just drink the elixir again and keep trying until you become human once again?

[rancid slate]

I assume it only does an effect once

[narrow ridge]

It could also get us the even bigger nerf on Corrupted souls

they become black puty

[rancid slate]

As both Aldous and Jakob keep drinking it on Cave

[narrow ridge]

I FORGOT ABOUT THAT

But wait

they just have the positive effect

[azure bay]

I guess the form does matter

[narrow ridge]

So it only affects once but if you get lucky CONGRATULATIONS NOW YOU CAN DRINK IT FOREVER

[rancid slate]

Poop elixir moment

[narrow ridge]

Wait for the hardcores to create a machine of infinite elixir of life

[azure bay]

I think their physiologies were altered by the elixir

I assume so was for William when he was corrupted

at least the form of elixir they brewed probably wouldn't work on him

[narrow ridge]

Na Albert was that fucked up before becoming corrupted [I love albert]

[narrow ridge]

Sorry I read psychology

God

Dislexia moment ig

[azure bay]

no worries

[narrow ridge]

That makes more sense than psychology

So would that also work for everyone that becomes corrupted? they just immediatly got the debuff?

Or just for the people who drink the elixir

[azure bay]

I guess, anyone corrupted

[rancid slate]

Caroline evaporated

[azure bay]

visually. But that doesn't make sense from samsara pov

[rancid slate]

Turrned into atoms

[narrow ridge]

Like my mind when I saw a fish get legs

[narrow ridge]

True

[rancid slate]

She turned into Hotel

[azure bay]

THE 7TH STAGE OF THE WHEEEL!!!!111!!

[narrow ridge]

Wait what

[narrow ridge]

DON'T BE RACIST I AM A BUILDING

sorry I couldn't help myself-

[azure bay]

I'm not. We just know only of 6 existing

til now that is

[rancid slate]

The 8th stage is the Lake

[narrow ridge]

And the ninth is Harvey

I don't take no by answer

[rancid slate]

The 10th are the devs

[narrow ridge]

Harvey might be god by this point with the way he or she is defying all rules

[narrow ridge]

Shhh they don't want us knowing that

They are going to extract your memories

[stone bramble]

what’s y’all’s thoughts on this

https://x.com/rustylakecom/status/1871333241774592396?s=46

Rusty Lake 🚣‍♂️ Untold: The Lab 📝 (@rustylakecom) on X

🥚 🍽️ 👀

Twitter · Dec 23, 2024, 11:13 PM

[rancid slate]

Black Egg

Reminds me of Seasons if its unrelated to the next game

If its related, Id say Crow's egg

The h letter could be part of a puzzle

[vivid bridge]

its gonna spell "house" is my guess

if its a teaser for Untold

could also be "hotel" if its a teaser for the next game

[rancid slate]

Or Harvey

Harvey laid the egg 🗣

[vivid bridge]

yeah but what kinda teaser would that be

[rancid slate]

Well, if it is a puzzle, I wouldnt expect 5 cups

Could be different objects with the initials of something

Like a clock with the letter L for Laura

Something like that

But thats too much to ask :)

The real question is

Are they gonna eat that egg after recording?

[rancid slate]

More chances of just being random letters for a word instead of letter with different meanings that also make a word

It could even be Holiday!

[vivid bridge]

maybe

I find it strange that its so late in the month?

Its not even a real christmas countdown

maybe they really wanted to wait til Milo is out for mobile

[rancid slate]

The Lake be gettin unpredictable

[stone bramble]

seems like it

meant to reply to the untold teaser

[visual coral]

First thoughts - Harvey's egg, teaser for the new tabletop game

It's not a Crow's egg cause it's full black

I'm really hoping for some elixir making shenanigans

Guess we'll find out tomorrow

[azure bay]

To be fair, Harvey's egg isn't always all-black either.

And I can imagine a world where they just made it black IRL with no second thought

[rancid slate]

What letter is that 😭

[rancid slate]

Could be a C?

[civic valley]

yeah

[rancid slate]

C

[civic valley]

maybe an i but it could also be a smudge

[rancid slate]

There is no K so theres no Lake lol

[narrow ridge]

ye

[rancid slate]

No V too

[narrow ridge]

I have gathered
a t h m s p e l

I think a y

but I'll look at it again

[civic valley]

A y t m h s e p L C
the string of letters i found, there is a difference between upper and lower case
there is a good chance its a youtube url

[narrow ridge]

Doesn't seem to be

[civic valley]

a youtube shorts have 11 letters url, so there might be one missing from my findings

[rancid slate]

Where is t?

[civic valley]

on the light

one sec

[rancid slate]

What if the hand is 5

Like AytmhsepL5C

[narrow ridge]

Nope

[rancid slate]

🖐

[azure bay]

Tried that as a YT short ID. Didn't work but for a regualer video it did. Maybe it will be available tomorrow?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AytmhsepLC

[civic valley]

Damn, didnt think that would work, those links tend to be 14 letters

Great find

[azure bay]

could be a coincidence. Imagine them sharing the sequence of items we're to correcpond the letters with to get the right order

[rancid slate]

Cant even form words with these letters

As the Lym Csph 💀

If its a word, maybe the capital letters dont matter

[azure bay]

AytmhsepLC ?

[rancid slate]

Yeah

[rancid slate]

Like in the Remember the Lake

[civic valley]

The "Tomorrow" highly surgests upper case first

[rancid slate]

Probabaly doesnt matter, but the m can still be seen just before C

[civic valley]

Now its w

Jk

[vagrant roost]

I don't know if y'all have tried this yet but maybe the order is found when you look at the table wideshot

Like you put the letters and numbers you found in the corresponding place of where it was found

[rancid slate]

Typing any nonexisting links the same message tho

[azure bay]

good call

[civic valley]

The order might be given tomorrow or we could brute force the 10! Combinations

But there is also a high chance we dont have all the letters to make a url

[rancid slate]

A could also be 1

[vivid bridge]

Ping me when you guys have solved it

[rancid slate]

I already tried it on the links, none worked

I dont think the video is avaiable

If its a link

[rancid slate]

Gotta wait 🐈🐈

[civic valley]

Tomorrow

[rancid slate]

Plot twist: The 3rd Vanderboom brother's name is AytmhsepLC 😱😱😱

[azure bay]

AAAaAAaAAAaaAaaa

[vivid bridge]

Hm?

I think nowhere died

[stone bramble]

omg it’s james’ father

[gleaming zephyr]

What do y'all think the letters In the video mean?

Where did the T come from?

I got
Aymhsepld

And In the end is that a C or D?

[azure bay]

We'll find out later today. Hopefully a new game announcement. t comes from the lamp, it's obscured in a shadow. It's C as far as I can judge by the font sheet

[gleaming zephyr]

It looked like a mirrored d for me and I thought because the plate was opposite of us it's a D

My bad

😭

[honest brook]

I think that there’ll be more letters today, and it’s going to be a game title with the word “alchemy”. I don’t think the puzzle itself will be that difficult this time, I’m guessing he’ll just put the items back in a different order, and that’s the order to put the letters in.

[azure bay]

but what practical use would you expect?

ok, the Vanderbooms

ok, the sacrifices

what's next?

[honest brook]

So something like "What letter does each game get for Christmas?"

[honest brook]

But then there are items like the silver ball, which seem unrelated to any game, person, or sacrifice

Maybe

I just thought the items would be more recognizable if what they are were important, like nowhere said. But you could be right

It's a cool theory!

[vivid bridge]

We'll never see the end of the dale/laura storyline

💀

[rancid slate]

Roots prequel 🗣🗣🗣🗣

Maybe we will finally know how they met Mr. Owl

But they already look at the edge of being old in the image

Why is the image called kerstnieuwkaarkaart2024 😭😭😭

[visual coral]

I wonder who we gonna be playing as

[rancid slate]

Oh right

[rancid slate]

We are gonna be playing as the thrid Vanderboom brother

[visual coral]

Teaser for the new game game

[visual coral]

Ah yes, good old AytmhsepLC

[rancid slate]

We dont know the third one cuz they used him in a experiment

And we will see his terrible fate

[vivid bridge]

Maybe we'll be harvey again

[rancid slate]

https://tenor.com/view/rusty-lake-cube-escape-harvey-gif-6021326505756309583

[vivid bridge]

Hate this guy so much

[rancid slate]

#NoMoreHarvey

[azure bay]

What if we'll be playing as the servant?

[rancid slate]

As long as his name is AytmhsepLC

[vivid bridge]

I doubt it

[rancid slate]

We will be playing as Mill lady

[vivid bridge]

Would be peak

Which is why it won't happen

[rancid slate]

💥

"Aldous, I need to give birth"
"I'm gonna call him.. James"
*rolls credits *

https://tenor.com/view/get-up-stand-up-clapping-angelina-jolie-brad-pitt-gif-14805296

[vivid bridge]

Nah he would say some real vague shit that contradicts other stuff we know

[rancid slate]

If we get a elixir scene again

I hope one of them says "Aldous/William, we need to cook"

"We wonder what the brothers may be up to in the coming year 🤔 Please visit the form below if you have an answer" makes it look like its gonna be another game with Elixir scene

Or atleast alchemy in general

I was going to say the place of where they are doesnt matter cuz its just an xmas image (And I still think it doesnt)

But

At first I thought they were in the Hotel

But the Hotel can be seen in the window lol

I guess the Vanderboom Mansion now also has white walls like that place in UB

[vivid bridge]

They don't make sprites of younger william and aldous for nothing

So there's gonna be some game with them

And it doesn't look like this is going to lead to the laura dale finale game

10 years into the franchise and they keep stalling

[azure bay]

It has to. Somehow. It's unlikely they were in The Hotel station for nothing

either alchemy, or the day of the lake, or some character's mindset

[royal notch]

To be fair, the Brothers' portraits were in that station after all.

[rancid slate]

I think my Golden Cube/Elixir theory of something that needs to be explained before that will make sense in the Day of the Lake cab still be true

[vivid bridge]

yeah but I don't see how "game about vanderboom brothers in the early 1800s" can seemlessly transition into "laura and dale at the hotel in 1972"

these games don't really do that stuff

they're all pretty simply with their premise

[azure bay]

you could say the same about Roots and Paradise and yet here we are

[vivid bridge]

No, those games are also about one thing each

Roots doesn't suddenly cut to Harvey in 1971

[jovial merlin]

Maybe show something about how the curse or whatever started? Like why they were after the elixir and all besides neverending life

Idk tho

I think it’ll probably be something more recent

[azure bay]

but they both cut to Dale in 1972

[vivid bridge]

what

no they don't

[azure bay]

how not?

it's literally what's going on

[vivid bridge]

I meant like in the game itself

the game keeps its setting and premise

[azure bay]

in that way, no

[vivid bridge]

but thats what you're saying this game could be

look, I get the narrative parallel between the original elixir duo and the modern one. But I can't see how that translates into gameplay

we've never had a game that has two completely different settings like this

[rancid slate]

Hotel -> Birthday
Roots -> Cave
Paradise -> Paradox
Mammoth -> The Day of the Lake

[vivid bridge]

no I don't mean narratively like that. I mean inside the same game

[rancid slate]

TPW?

[vivid bridge]

tpw is the closest

but its a special case

also not really since physically speaking, they're in the same space

since Past is physically inside Future

[rancid slate]

Well, Roots goes from 1859 to 1935 and UV from 1935 to 198+

[azure bay]

What I'm consistently saying, now and previously, is that these games give context. Roots segway into The Cave via William/Laura and the elixir. Paradise segways into Paradox with Dale walking the same way Jakob did.

In the moment these connections are never obvious until the next game comes out and suddenly they are

[vivid bridge]

Yes

Elixir-bros game could totally lead into dale-laura-game

sure

but my point of frustration is that the elixir-bros game isn't the dale-laura-game

[rancid slate]

What if this Vanderboom game is more focused on the Elixir side and then the Mammoth is more focused on the Lake side

Their info still end with Dale and Laura

[rancid slate]

Try playing Rusty Lake but without Roots or Paradise

[vivid bridge]

you're missing the point

[azure bay]

I guess. I can only say that this was not a sudden decision and they planned on making that game for quite a while

[vivid bridge]

sure but then why the "the day of the lake is coming" thing in UB

that to me sounded like "hey, finale to the dale-laura plotline is coming"

second

ITS BEEN 10 YEARS

[rancid slate]

I dont think the next game should the Day

Does feel like it

[vivid bridge]

But that's clearly what the UB hotel-ending was teasing

[azure bay]

My guess is that the day of the lake is coming right after. They do share the teaser after all

[rancid slate]

And so does Albert's return in BKM

[azure bay]

BKM isn't as relevant

[vivid bridge]

awful teaser then

like

you have the perfect timing rn

the 10 year anniversary

[rancid slate]

I mean, they showed us the Mammoth long time ago

It didnt meant he was going to be the next game

[vivid bridge]

well

the original plan was original 2D-TPW, then Mammoth

this could be mammoth

since UB wasn't really planned

[azure bay]

I can only say that things don't go according to plans. I suppose they wished they could make the anniversary special as much as possible but many things happened

[vivid bridge]

but then why tease it like this

[rancid slate]

To tease

[vivid bridge]

like, this screams "next game is the big one"

[azure bay]

I don't mind (given that it's the 2nd next game)

[rancid slate]

As someone who also has a story, when I do a teaser it doesnt necessarilly mean its gonna the next thing

[azure bay]

I can also speculate that the game about brothers will somehow feature the day of the lake too

[vivid bridge]

sure

but thats misleading the audience

since UB clearly leads Laura (and the player) to the 70s day of the lake

[rancid slate]

Atleast we can expect no more Laura major game

[azure bay]

I wouldn't be so adamant about Laura. The secret scene was given as a CEC sequel

[vivid bridge]

I suppose

[rancid slate]

Both Collection and Samsara Room teased UB, but UB wasnt the next game too

After the Vanderboom, the next game is actually going to be about the Reiziger

[vivid bridge]

sure might as well

I kinda hate the way this franchise has decided to tell the story. Literally nothing of value has happened to the Laura/Dale story since 2018 and we're still not done with it

[jovial merlin]

Omg are we finally gonna receive that day of the lake email

[rancid slate]

They will still show another pic for 2025, right? At the end of the year

[jovial merlin]

Yeah it’s pretty confusing

[vivid bridge]

its not confusing, its just annoying

[azure bay]

I think in a year or 2

[jovial merlin]

Aw man

[rancid slate]

Id would expect just the Vanderboom game and RLU campaign

[azure bay]

I value Rose's abduction and return quite highly

[vivid bridge]

I suppose so

[azure bay]

it directly affects Laura

[vivid bridge]

wow, one game in the last 5-6 years

great additions to the story

[rancid slate]

It might be frustating to have non-linear stories, but I like it soooo

[vivid bridge]

its fine having a spin-off here and there

but its been nothing but spin-offs for longer than the actual story has been going on

[rancid slate]

Honestly, Dale's story is the least interesting for me

[azure bay]

I wouldn't blame them for CEC and a long TPW development though

[vivid bridge]

no but I can blame them for UB and this game

and Untold

and maybe even White Door if i'm feeling especially like a hater

[azure bay]

their involvement in RLU is minimal. They are likely commissioning them exactly to reduce the time of wait

[rancid slate]

I dont think the Day of the Lake would feel the same if it released in 2019

[vivid bridge]

still, that's one year for, what, the UB update?

[rancid slate]

Ok, it ended thats it guys

[vivid bridge]

I think I would have felt way better

cause now i'm angry and jaded

[jovial merlin]

I love the roots paradise and hotel stories

[covert wyvern]

Alright gamers

[azure bay]

Ellesian if frustrated for the number of spin-offs

[covert wyvern]

This isn't about theories anymore.

You can leave suggestions and feedback in the appropriate channel

[vivid bridge]

alright, sorry

[covert wyvern]

(that is to say you're more than welcome to share it, we do read it! Just trying to keep this channel about theorising!)

Happy holidays:)

[rancid slate]

Aldous having black hair makes James closer to him

[vivid bridge]

I think William having red hair is more interesting

like I don't think the devs really care about real life genetics and stuff

but its interesting to think about

like did both James and Albert have the recessive red hair genes and only through Ida's red hair genes were they finally able to come out in Rose?

that's it

I don't really have more to say about this teaser

see you in 3 months

[rancid slate]

Is this a new sprite?

I thought it could be like a prototype of the Elixir

But it's too green

The Elixir is a little closer to yellow

Also, William is using his head from Samsara Room

Not from RLU 💥

[azure bay]

A HORRIBLE RETCON!!!11!!!!

WORSe THAN HARVEY THE ASURA IN UB!1!!!1!!

[azure bay]

RLU is drawn by a different person making their own artistic choices

[rancid slate]

😔

[wet willow]

what is RLU

[azure bay]

Rusty Lake Untold

a tabletop game

[wet willow]

i c

thx

[wet willow]

talking about this, i thought we are going to recive the files

arnt we?

[azure bay]

We have

[wet willow]

where ?

[azure bay]

you subscribe via their website and recieve an e-mail

[wet willow]

i signed the email it said that i will reicive soon

but idk how many time soon means

[azure bay]

when did you do that?

[wet willow]

let me check

i did on day 21

and i did it again 10 min ago

[azure bay]

not sure how they operate but I suspect it's done manually

[wet willow]

do you have the files?

[azure bay]

I do

[wet willow]

HM

you recived it via email?

[azure bay]

yep

[wet willow]

strange

ill subscrive again

[rancid slate]

They should just let you download it in the website, its just a download link 😭

[wet willow]

can you send me the link?

[azure bay]

what I'm saying, they probably send them by hand. There's no bot who does that. Give them time, nobody would send you anything on Christmas

[wet willow]

oh ok

sadly i understand

[floral veldt]

I don't remember this in samsara room...

[rancid slate]

Its in the shrimp room

[floral veldt]

shrimp? this is the paid version right?

[rancid slate]

Nk

No

Its a secret room

[floral veldt]

how do I access it?

[rancid slate]

You need to put some symbols in the same place you get the egg

I will dm you

[azure bay]

actually

maybe they prefer a hint

I'm sure I would

[rancid slate]

Same

[azure bay]

you need to check out the blogposts they were making around the game's release

[rancid slate]

Almost 5 years ago

[azure bay]

an extra challenge!

[rancid slate]

Naturally getting harder every day

[wet willow]

is james vanderboom son of mr crow or a third sibling?

[azure bay]

yes

not the reaction I expected

[carmine field]

Aldous' mustache reminds me of James

[azure bay]

grandparent genes are passed to all grandchildren and may be dormant in the parents

I do strikingly resemble my uncle

[carmine field]

yeah, appearances don't mean anything to that question

Albert, Samuel and Emma are triplets

but they are totally different from each other

[rancid slate]

Doesnt Frank's hair color also changes when he grows?

[wet willow]

i dont get what u said ahaha

i ask one or two and you answer me with yes 😭😭😭 gosh

[rancid slate]

Yes to "or"

As theres no confirmation

[wet willow]

damn

[azure bay]

Usually they darken but that's beyond the point.

William looks nothing like any of the stages we see in that sequence

[wet willow]

you r to smart for me

[azure bay]

thx

[rancid slate]

Yeah but he gettin old so it gets closer to white

Like 60s Rose

But yeah, Aldous still has a very dark black hair

[rancid slate]

Why he staring at me

[azure bay]

hungry for your soul

[wet willow]

your cute, thats it

jk

[rancid slate]

The animation is so fast they probably just forgot that it showed William's hair

[azure bay]

most likely

I was dramatizing

[rancid slate]

But I will never forgive them

For changing Bob's hair color

🐱

[azure bay]

or not. it was fast only for the player, I know that Maarten had to draw every painful frame by his own hand

[wet willow]

so you mean that its fast propositally?

[rancid slate]

Or in better words, reverting to original

I like the orange-brown hair in Theatre

[rancid slate]

Actually, it was made by a third party company

Third Maze

[azure bay]

and it's an NFT

[alpine hollow]

im confused, what actually happened

[azure bay]

the right is a real event

the left is a simulation

although I wouldn't be surprised if Dale were to give the cube via some astral projections and Mr. Bat will give it back at the hotel

[alpine hollow]

so is this also a simulation?

[azure bay]

this is a puzzle with some exposition in the end

[alpine hollow]

what do you mean

[azure bay]

pure gameplay with some story explanation in the end

[alpine hollow]

so did dale killed mr.crow?

or killed himself to stop the paradox

[azure bay]

Dale drank the green poison

he died, never reached the lake, never entered the cube, never restarted Paradox

+never became corrupted and never came back to kill Laura

BUT

somehow both Laura and Dale are alive and take the elevator to the hotel

[alpine hollow]

as you said, he never came back to kill laura, that could be the reason she is alive

[azure bay]

yes, probably

but at the same time he somehow reached the other ending. Which wouldn't normally be possible

[alpine hollow]

can you remind me how did he became corrupted?

[azure bay]

blue vial

[alpine hollow]

so he was investigating a case where he himself was guilty??

[azure bay]

no

what I said is exclusive for the dream/simulation of Paradox

[alpine hollow]

hmm

so never happend exacly

[vivid bridge]

nothing in paradox really happens

its all metaphorical

[azure bay]

that's not a correct word

UB is metaphorical

Paradox happens but inside a mind

[vivid bridge]

yeah but the things it shows are metaphors

[alpine hollow]

thats a great answer, because i finished the lab and i though about the paradox

[azure bay]

I wouldn't be so sure. I'm almost sure it has real effects on Dale and probably even Laura

[vivid bridge]

Well, based on Cave, Dale seems to be like half-corrupted post-paradox?

same with laura

[ruby ledge]

yo is this paradox? i played chapter 1 and 2 and don't remember this

[alpine hollow]

on the paradox, when dale is corruped one of his versions says: Embrasse the corruption

[azure bay]

check out achievements to unlock secret endings

[alpine hollow]

the right one is the cabe, the left is kinda a secret ending

[vivid bridge]

well why would I listen to corrupted dale. of course he would say that

[alpine hollow]

if they are half corrupted it could mean that

but since paradox isnt canon, im not sure anymore

[azure bay]

it's stupid not to call it canon

it is

it's what Dale sees

[alpine hollow]

.

[ebon sun]

paradox is canon

it`s just a dream

[azure bay]

it's what Owl wants him to see

[vivid bridge]

Paradox happens inside Dale's mind, yeah

he's hooked up to the matrix

[alpine hollow]

now i can understand more the difference between the two pictures

nice nice

[azure bay]

I'll say more

[alpine hollow]

tell me more

[azure bay]

you can see that Dale is still asleep in the elevator

Dale in the right picture is dreaming about the picture to the left

[vivid bridge]

pretty much

[alpine hollow]

NEVER NOTICED THAT WHAT

it makes so much scence now

can this mean that the "players" in the lab are also dreaming?

[vivid bridge]

hm

I guess

[azure bay]

I doubt that

[alpine hollow]

because thats what started my search today

[azure bay]

The Lab is a real location, Paradox is an artificial dream

there's a design behind everything in Paradox

The Lab is just a place with no apparent mastermind and a lot of info leaked

[vivid bridge]

that damn lab

[alpine hollow]

like what

[vivid bridge]

did rose trap the untold players inside the loop to study the recursive nature of cubes inside cubes?

what an asshole

[azure bay]

Rose's journals

[alpine hollow]

probably

[alpine hollow]

lemme see that i dont remember

[azure bay]

the message on the computer

[azure bay]

yes

[alpine hollow]

idt thats usfull information

[azure bay]

I'd say it's sensitive

I wouldn't want the outsiders to read it if I were Rose

[alpine hollow]

let me search for a picture wait

[ruby ledge]

damn where do u guys get all this info and lore? (talking about the paradox thing) cus i never even knew paradox was dale dreaming 😭 i thought it was "canon" and everything actually happened ??

ima try to get the secret endings today

[vivid bridge]

if we're going with my idea of the untold-loop being a controlled environment designed to test a recursive loop, then that text was specifically written by Rose to be found by the group

aka Rose being an overly dramatic goth

[azure bay]

I don't feel like it

[vivid bridge]

yeah its a bit confusing at first

but paradox happens when Dale is connected to that machine at the end of The Cave

[alpine hollow]

"harvey, you have finally found me, i have been working here all these years, i had to leave her behind for her own sake, the cubes the ressurection the sacrifice, its all for her"

this is for sure relateble to The Lab

[vivid bridge]

its more about TPW

[azure bay]

Dale writes "maybe case 23 is the key to escape my mind"

Mr. Crow in the movie: "You can't escape the boundaries of your mind"

Dale in ch2: changes minds, the room changes with them

Ch1: the memory sorting puzzle has the moth wallaper inside the head

[azure bay]

thx for the image, I coincidentally needed it for the video

[alpine hollow]

[alpine hollow]

but here she extracts her memories into a black cube, im saying this because in the The Lab this machine is probably the same

[azure bay]

it likely is

[vivid bridge]

Untold is in the same location (or more specifically a memory version of the same location)

but the lab dlc is specifically about creating the The Past cube

[alpine hollow]

and lots of scenarios in The Lab are really alike to UB

[alpine hollow]

hmm

so in the end, what is The Lab telling us for the lore exacly?

[vivid bridge]

the lab as in untold?

not much, really

[alpine hollow]

yes

[azure bay]

Collective memories are canon

[vivid bridge]

I guess

[azure bay]

Cubes contain more than a single room

[vivid bridge]

mmmmm

[alpine hollow]

its a memory ofc

[vivid bridge]

maybe the untold cube has multiple rooms because it was extracted from multiple people

[alpine hollow]

paradox?

[azure bay]

TPW makes me seriously think that there's not much difference between memories and the reality

[alpine hollow]

and heres the thing, i think you can kinda interact with the cube, because you talked those words and the people inside the cube heard it

[azure bay]

unlikely. I can't imagine why it would work like that

[vivid bridge]

🤷‍♂️

cubes are weird

[alpine hollow]

a memory is part of our reality that passed, so its everything in the same layer

[vivid bridge]

what do you mean "the same layer"

[alpine hollow]

this all saga is wierd 😭

[alpine hollow]

theres no different universes or timelines, its all in one

[vivid bridge]

mmm not sure about that one

[alpine hollow]

in this case, memories and rl

[azure bay]

it's not the case. Rose escaping the cube in 1926 before Laura was born would cancel a loooooooot of games including The Future part of TPW itself

[alpine hollow]

remind me when or where she did that pls, i dont remember

[azure bay]

the ending of TPW

Roses escape the cubes into the lake

[alpine hollow]

TPW still makes a mess in my head

[azure bay]

I have a video explaining it

at least trying

[alpine hollow]

?

ah lol

thats another game 😭

[azure bay]

this one:
https://youtu.be/B5PpTlsH9Ms?si=2K_PCPymOMN9lcFs

[vivid bridge]

tpw is pretty simple

I don't remember what nowhere says in that video but i'm sure its mighty complicated

[alpine hollow]

ill watch after this conversasion

[azure bay]

just that everything is cubes

and that cubes are everything

[vivid bridge]

yeah

that does sound like you

[alpine hollow]

It's crazy how one moment we're talking about one topic and in the end we end up talking about much more

this lore is insane

ill not die until everything is answered

now ill watch the video

[azure bay]

you've just found the secret of immortality

[alpine hollow]

good quality video btw

[azure bay]

thx, trying my best

[alpine hollow]

[frosty birch]

i follow your channel it's amazing

@azure bay i wait your video like i wait new game from rusty lake

[alpine hollow]

i would cry fr thats such a complemen😭

[alpine hollow]

let me just say that i love the fact that you explain slowly, because this topic its not that easy to get so easily

[frosty birch]

yes i love his channel a lot

[vivid bridge]

that fucking bird that I hate

[frosty birch]

ik you doing hard i don't say i wait so long your video i mean i like your video like i love rusty lake games

[azure bay]

that image is a token of my gratitude

I'm editing like right now

[alpine hollow]

"adobe premiere as crashed"

i have nightmares with premiere

[frosty birch]

oh thanks , it's your next video ?

[azure bay]

the next big one. I have a fresh script about the recent teaser

couldn't record it today because my neighbors have a party

[alpine hollow]

plot twist, we are inside the cubes

[rancid slate]

Always have been

[vivid bridge]

debatable

[azure bay]

Always have been retroactively

:з

[vivid bridge]

I forgot, why do you believe that the main reality also a cube?

[rancid slate]

I believe every moment can be a cube

[azure bay]

because it is in TPW and copying it/tearing from "the reality" is more debatable than the alternative

and we have both causes and consequences in UB

Rose was kidnapped for real

Albert was resurrected for real

Roses are a tree for real

[rancid slate]

And then theres Paradox where they somehow are not inside a cube but a simulation

[vivid bridge]

I don't see what those things have to do with the main reality being a cube

[azure bay]

inside a simulation inside a cube

[alpine hollow]

"and the only thing that exist outside all the cubes is the lake"
-Nowherenest 2023

[rancid slate]

Wait, you think UB and TPW are not part of Cube Escapes?

[vivid bridge]

I don't know who that "nowherenest" guy is but i'm sure he's wrong

[azure bay]

Roses escape the cubes into the lake. Cubes float in the lake. The Future is a cube