so the dream sequence about Bob shooting himself in the Rusty Lake Threatre that takes place in TWD confuses me
#🤔｜theories
open mirage
bright parrot
If that statement is for game characters reality.
Then this statement questions reality more than it supports existence of memory
open mirage
Like how is he alive after shooting himself
azure bay
If that statement is for game characters reality.
Then this statement questions...
there are just no cubes IRL, I'm speaking of the game characters and it seems absolute for them
game characters have their game reality
and it's as real and as unreal as the reality inside memories
bright parrot
I can understand but this statement makes me feel like questioning reality
Like reality is as real as memory
azure bay
memory creates a timeline branch
bright parrot
Multiverse things
azure bay
the only way to keep all the games canon
The devs say that Laura changes the past
via her notes
one of few ways to communicate their messages
if Laura changes the past then Dale's arc doesn't matter
because Laura destroys it
all these adventures and challenges for nothing
bright parrot
The devs say that Laura changes the past
But she's dead
azure bay
But she's dead
before she changes the past
azure bay
That could be one of the worst way to end his arc
that's why we need to branch her changes out
also a valid way to resolve grandfather's paradox
bright parrot
Where is grandfather paradox in series
azure bay
Where is grandfather paradox in series
in any change
azure bay
Multiverse and branching kills the mood
"all the effort for nothing" kills it as well
bright parrot
And more than that
bright parrot
"all the effort for nothing" kills it as well
This can and will happen again
azure bay
what can?
bright parrot
All that effort for nothing
Pressing the reset button thing
In marvel and DC after the intro of Multiverse
Thats what creators did
azure bay
depends on limitations you put on it
bright parrot
Multiverse provides a new limits to your limitations
But everything feels repeated
azure bay
I don't understand
bright parrot
Multiverse makes you limitless
You can do whatever you want
But whatever new the old character do for almost the same objective
It feels same
Best way is to end it like breaking bad and making a spin off
New universe provides new options
azure bay
Multiverse makes you limitless
if you have access to the multiverse
otherwise and in case of Rusty Lake you just go back in time (which is a task on its own) and form a new timeline based on your changes
your effort is acknowledged
and the effort of others isn't devalued
bright parrot
if you have access to the multiverse
Best way to utilise multiverse is by creating something different.
What most creators do is just a role reversal
Or gender reverse
But outline remains same
azure bay
Or gender reverse
gender reverse is too big of a change to keep everything else the same. unless you're unrealistically lucky or can choose your universe
so that's not Rusty Lake
it's mostly about preventing grandfather paradox
bright parrot
Multiverse is an absurd and anticlimatic way to change a series
azure bay
if Laura prevents her death, she doesn't die and has no reasons to change the past, so she doesn't prevents her death, so she's dead and has to prevent her death but if she does she doesn't prevent her death because he didn't die in the 1st place and etc. etc.
azure bay
Multiverse is an absurd and anticlimatic way to change a series
if misused
it's not in Rusty Lake
bright parrot
if Laura prevents her death, she doesn't die and has no reasons to change the pa...
How will laura save herself
Will she travel in future
bright parrot
it's not in Rusty Lake
My recommendation is to expand the universe rather than creating its copies and assigning each a roll no. Like Earth XA112WG
covert wyvern
Okay well a suggestion can be send to #💭｜suggestions-and-feedback
and is not a theory.
azure bay
How will laura save herself
Will she travel in future
She goes back in time, she changes the past. In the ending we see her back in the future alive and happy.
azure bay
How will she know she is gonna die before her death
she goes back in time with knowledge
her ghost does
corrupted soul
bright parrot
That can do
azure bay
it's like you didn't play
azure bay
Or maybe like a loop
what kind of loop?
bright parrot
CS killed laura
Maybe CS was already from future
To save her
And a little plot creators will add
azure bay
Maybe CS was already from future
in that case it's not her CS
bright parrot
My mind is actually blank on this
Multiverse and branching
Whenever I want to complex things
I make someone related to other😆
azure bay
In my book if that wasn't suicide (and in The Cave it looks like suicide) that's Dale's CS Paradox-style
bright parrot
The problem is
We don't know enough about anything
azure bay
we know a lot already
azure bay
we can favorize certain possibilities over others
azure bay
Idk about the samsara concept
what about it?
azure bay
we can derive how it works based on certain cases
ebon aspen
There are minor/mysterious characters like van gogh, cezanne and the lady of the lake, but ig the main ones are all there
You can map the twd fellows too
wind axle
There are minor/mysterious characters like van gogh, cezanne and the lady of the...
who is cezanne-
carmine elk
Same question
ebon aspen
Gauguin***
carmine elk
ebon aspen
Too many pauls oh my 
chilly hemlock
There are minor/mysterious characters like van gogh, cezanne and the lady of the...
thx
chilly hemlock
better check on wiki
thx I will
azure geode
Is Deer Dale the version of him that drank the blue or red vial?
astral frost
Deer Dale is one of the infinite versions of Dale facing the Paradox loop, so I wouldn't say it is connected to a specific vial
Some people think that the Deer will be his next form (as a Deva)
stone bramble
y’all have any theories on why dale’s animal is a deer?
ebon aspen
Mainly pure symbolism like the other animal ppl (owl is wise, crow is chaotic, boar is messy, pheasant is elegant, and so on), but tbh i cant really find dale's reasons for the deer neither why albert and nick also are like that (i do have some theories but for now we lack so much info that i dont see it being worth of sharing)
stone bramble
yee same here
analog yacht
From my experience, Deer are often symbolism for peace and purity. However... All three of these are far from peaceful or pure.
However, Deer skulls are associated with the devil, with bonds, with bad habits.... And Sacrifice
This may also be worth noting, yoinked from a quick Google search
Further googling suggests that deer skulls also symbolise "regrowth, rebirth, protection, strength, balance, cycle"
stone bramble
oohhh the skull makes sense
ebon aspen
My parallel was about the 3 being very important to the lake in some sense, nick had a leading role in the island, albert was a science genius and dale is about to bring an end to all this stuff
And yeah, they all have heavy psychological issues
analog yacht
That does make sense
azure bay
My parallel was about the 3 being very important to the lake in some sense, nick...
It seems to me, Dale will only bring a beginning
ebon aspen
So we will have rusty lake 2: electric bugaloo?
As much as i want the series to go on, i think there wont be much to see after dale takes owl's place, either if it ends badly or not
And yeah, if things go the intended way, its not like the world will come to an end, just the shitshow from the lake
ebon aspen
Itll be the beginning of a peace era with nothing much to talk about
ebon aspen
It better be a single ending
Ehhh i doubt we will have more than one ending
Not that a multiroute game wouldnt be of my liking 
bright parrot
The thing I hate about multiple endings is you always feel like missing something
Its best to end it like money heist or breaking bad
An ending no one can hate
And something out of box
If dale becomes Owl that will be predictable
ebon aspen
He wont become owl, only take his place
How that will happen and what comes until that, thats what im interested
bright parrot
What do you think about Dale's relation to aldous
@azure bay
Remember how you said that aldous' body's age changes in each game.
I think that his real skin after he became a hybrid works like snake like snake sheds its old skin and gets a new skin. Maybe its something like that
azure bay
<@351360215268196373>
Remember how you said that aldous' body's age changes in...
It doesn't in The Cave
bright parrot
Jakobs brother became
Moth/mosquito/fly in game
Is that is hybrid
Maybe no coz his hybrid is rabbit
Then how he became an insect
Also why
carmine elk
He shifted to a fly cause at times they suck blood (cause the plague at the time was flies) and he did it cause of low blood sugar ??? If he can even control that no idea why or how
He just
Did
He’s an enigma
azure bay
Is that is hybrid
Acts like an animal
bright parrot
The truth is we think we know a lot about samsara hybrids etc.
But we don't We know surface knowledge but not the deep info
azure bay
We've seen enough to know that hybrids mean enlightenment and enlightenment means effort
And this case was dirt cheap
azure bay
The truth is we think we know a lot about samsara hybrids etc.
But we don't We ...
So we can theorize based on evidence.
We're long past the mark of everything falling either under complete ignorance or complete interpretation
covert wyvern
@high talon so what about the theory here? haha
high talon
gloomy scarab
Bob has a lot of emotions unlike the rest of the rusty lake. ❤️😱😦
🤯
azure bay
Bob has a lot of emotions unlike the rest of the rusty lake. ❤️😱😦<:LauraLove:8...
That's due to TWD format
gloomy scarab
That's due to TWD format
But except the corrupted part and stuff he looks like the most realistic mf in the whole story
Dreams ^
azure bay
But except the corrupted part and stuff he looks like the most realistic mf in t...
I think that was also true for Dale before Case 23.
Mr. Owl sure knows how to make your life interesting
gloomy scarab
Depressing* 
gloomy scarab
I think that was also true for Dale before Case 23.
Mr. Owl sure knows how to m...
Well the thing is
We saw Bobs start and didn't see Dale's
Because case23 is start of his "lake journey"
Meanwhile Bob has a past we know of in which he... Dream 123?
Which is also same for Laura
azure bay
Dale's start is his Birthday except for the machine and the letter.
That was weird but since then I don't expect anything interesting happening to him.
Bob was interesting. because despite his normalcy period we witnessed he was still connected to the lake by association with Laura.
Bob's normalcy is a thing only because he wasn't affiliated too much
azure bay
Depressing* <:TrollLaura:827205600999768065>
Actually, Owl cures both depressed characters
gloomy scarab
Actually, Owl cures both depressed characters
Ah
gloomy scarab
Dale's start is his Birthday except for the machine and the letter.
That was w...
Isn't Birthday a changed part of his past which he changed after being in rusty lake?
"Deal with your past Dale"
azure bay
Isn't Birthday a changed part of his past which he changed after being in rusty ...
Yes, that's why I said "except for the machine and the letter"
These are changes
Alterations
azure bay
The right question is "why the massacre?"
gloomy scarab
Then why is it the rabbit and why is Dale the deer when rabbit has more relations with Dale?
bright parrot
The right question is "why the massacre?"
Sometime ago you said
Coz rabbit needed the gun or smth
azure bay
*Then why is it the rabbit and why is Dale the deer when rabbit has more relatio...
He has no relations to Dale. He came for the pistol
azure bay
"this substance from my past life is my only chance to escape this state"
gloomy scarab
Ohhhh
gloomy scarab
We don't know about his past too 😭
azure bay
We know enough to make some guesses
azure bay
He used to be a magician performing at Rusty Lake Theatre with Ms. Pheasant who shot herself with this very pistol
gloomy scarab
He used to be a magician performing at Rusty Lake Theatre with Ms. Pheasant who ...
Is this from the pictures in hotel(the advertisements?)
azure bay
Exactly
gloomy scarab
: Ooo
bitter siren
What happened to the corrupted soul when Harvey released 3 fireflies on it?
And what do these dolls represent?
azure bay
What happened to the corrupted soul when Harvey released 3 fireflies on it?
Either ran away or hid inside the cube
covert wyvern
And what do these dolls represent?
Looking at these I wonder if they modelled the "mother doll" after Rose or if they named Rose after the mother doll 
azure bay
And what do these dolls represent?
(arguably) The Lady of The Lake
Harvey
Laura
A fish
A corrupted soul
bitter siren
Who is the lady of the lake?
azure bay
Who is the lady of the lake?
Caroline, according to the painting. (Laura is also one, according to the devs)
I can't help thinking of Caroline holding a rose in one of her memories
bitter siren
How's that?
astral frost
(arguably) The Lady of The Lake
Harvey
Laura
A fish
A corrupted soul
the first one looks like the typical matryoshka
while the other ones are related to RL, as you said
azure bay
that's a good point
bright parrot
Looking at these I wonder if they modelled the "mother doll" after Rose or if th...
I thought they named her rose after her hair
azure bay
I thought they named her rose after her hair
who they?
bright parrot
(arguably) The Lady of The Lake
Harvey
Laura
A fish
A corrupted soul
Mother of jakob (her name was Claire maybe) is the lady of the lake
azure bay
Mother of jakob (her name was Claire maybe) is the lady of the lake
It's Caroline and I was referring exactly to her. So you don't have to tell me that
bright parrot
It's Caroline and I was referring exactly to her. So you don't have to tell me t...
Yup
Maybe we talked about that too
bitter siren
Who is Caroline? And Laura is supposed to be the deceased woman in Case 23, right?
bright parrot
Calorine is mother
Of jakob
Or Mr. Owl
Have you played RL paradise
Yup she's laura
bitter siren
I haven't played paradise yet 😅
azure bay
I haven't played paradise yet 😅
what games have you played?
bitter siren
I'm playing according to #📚｜resources
bright parrot
I suggest you to play by order
bitter siren
I had to restart playing everything since I am hooked into Rusty Lake universe ❤️✨
bright parrot
You can find order on reddit and google
bright parrot
I had to restart playing everything since I am hooked into Rusty Lake universe ❤...
Oh we all are
bitter siren
Case 23 😀
azure bay
prepare for you mind being blown in The Mill
covert wyvern
ah ye I probanly should've warned you, that's my bad.
bitter siren
It all started when I played Past Within first, then I realized Vanderboom family dated back to Rusty Lake: ROOTS, which I later played. After a while, I thought the timeline was weird, then I started googling everything and it led to what I'm doing now 😁
covert wyvern
haha that's really cool though! have fun:D
bitter siren
Open theory channel carefully you may see some spoilers
Thanks for the reminder, although I have played a mix of them, dated back a few years ago
Escape room enthusiast here ✌️✨
bright parrot
Same
bitter siren
Does 1421 ring any bell?
azure bay
it was Case 23
bright parrot
1421 or snowglobe
azure bay
Snowglobe was 1894 and 1966
azure bay
Does 1421 ring any bell?
in early games codes usually start with 14
I have no idea why
individually these years don't seem to mean anything
bitter siren
individually these years don't seem to mean anything
Yet 😉
azure bay
I mean we tried looking into them on wikipedia
not too deeply, I admit
found nothing significant
bitter siren
Hoping the devs can save us some despair 🥴
azure bay
Hoping the devs can save us some despair 🥴
or we can ignore it
it doesn't seem that relevant
covert wyvern
its good to something distinguish from gameplay and lore elements I reckon
azure bay
its good to something distinguish from gameplay and lore elements I reckon <:cro...
the pattern was still peculiar
bitter siren
I resent ignoring any clue I found, I always have a mindset that every little piece of clues are pointing toward something huge
I like mysteries ❤️
azure bay
I resent ignoring any clue I found, I always have a mindset that every little pi...
no, no. Of course, do that, evaluate
just be ready to drop things which stay fruitless for too long
not everything has to be meaningful or connected
bitter siren
What if this chapel records the history of Rusty Lake? Every weird thing we encountered in the Rusty Lake universe could be started from, here...
azure bay
What if this chapel records the history of Rusty Lake? Every weird thing we enco...
these are biblical sroties
bitter siren
Based on real life?
bitter siren
What are the paintings in real life called?
azure bay
check out the wiki
Case 23 trivia
it's there for sure
one is about Jesus being born
the other is about the king trying to kill him by killing hoards of infants that may happen to be him
bitter siren
Based on the story told from Rusty Lake's Roots, William died as an adult when drinking elixir potion
azure bay
That doesn't stop him from being her child
children tend to grow up
and eventually die
that's about what happened to him next
corruption
and a heart
bitter siren
These theories are just what I need to go back to my sleep 🥹
azure bay
These theories are just what I need to go back to my sleep 🥹
oh I definitely have something that will put you asleep
bright parrot
You giving a paradox or smth.
bitter siren
that's about what happened to him next
Oh, were you meant to say that the fetus in a jar symbolizes William's journey in ROOTS?
azure bay
Oh, were you meant to say that the fetus in a jar symbolizes William's journey i...
rather before but sure
bitter siren
Yes, I agree with you. I missed out the word"symbolizes" 😅
Sorry about the misunderstanding
azure bay
about the thing putting you asleep
bitter siren
Yes?
azure bay
I made 2 videos about Seasons, The Lake and Harvey Box reviewed as a continuous story
1 is a detailed recap
2 is a detailed interpretation and theory digest
bitter siren
Yes please!!! ❤️
azure bay
2 is a detailed interpretation and theory digest
I admit, this one's structured rather poorly so get ready to get lost or bored or both
bright parrot
RL hotel incident was before Roots
Right?
hollow igloo
During roots, correct. Roots takes a very long time span. Even Arles fits in that time period.
Roots time period is roughly 1860-1935
Arles is in 1888, Hotel in 1893, the relative incident is in 1894
bright parrot
Why harvey became a parrot permanent.
He should be human.
Plus harvey is whose reincarnation
Over
Something new
This is from RL theatre
Which occurred after bday
And these are Dale's words
So which means Bday memory is altered
And grandpa is not real
And who is deva (देव)
azure bay
Why harvey became a parrot permanent.
He should be human.
Harvey died in the secret scene. Was resurrecred by Owl
azure bay
So which means Bday memory is altered
Bday memory altered - yes. Grandpa not real - not necessarily. You're making one step too much
azure bay
But you sure he ded
He was overwhelmed by agressive CS. Then he lay by Owl's feet. Then he's an animal according to all samsara depictions
azure bay
What bout deva
Dale. One day. We see his reflection in the frame. Owl plays him in the respecrive play
bright parrot
Dale. One day. We see his reflection in the frame. Owl plays him in the respecri...
Then the end's pre decided
bright parrot
They escaped
Then where are they after now.
azure bay
Then where are they after now.
Wandering around the lake nowhere to go. Attack dale
bright parrot
And who is deva (देव)
According to this Crow is the bad guy
azure bay
Then the end's pre decided
As I was saying since the beginning
azure bay
According to this Crow is the bad guy
How so?
bright parrot
So hybrid is asura
azure bay
Yes
bright parrot
There is a slim chance harvey may become human again
bright parrot
It won't affect much
Just a side character
azure bay
Very prominent one
azure bay
Don't even compare them
bright parrot
Sure
Just sayin if there would be a game of harvey
It will affect the game like TWD
azure bay
Not necessarily
bright parrot
If we look at the importance of harvey till now
Harvey is considered more like a fan service or easter egg till now
Atleast by me
azure bay
The devs called him a guide
lost thorn
What if ||what Bob was seeing in the dream levels of the game were all made up because everything he sees is related to rusty lake?||
||And the mental health asylum he is in only feeds more into his dreams by making made up streets appear real to subconsciously convince him that he is a part of rusty lake.||
covert wyvern
no need to use spoiler tags in #🤔｜theories btw @lost thorn
you're free to do so, just a heads up that you dont need to.
lost thorn
Ah okay!
I thought I should have to because The White Door isn't free.
Thank you for the info!
covert wyvern
haha no our server policy is spoiler tag the latest release
(in this case the past within)
lost thorn
Gotcha 👍
bright parrot
What if ||what Bob was seeing in the dream levels of the game were all made up b...
We don't know what are they doing with bob.
Bob's memories are altered.
Maybe they are just taking his memories to feed the lake
The white door is sister branch of RL mental and fishing
The white door seemed more like a spin off to me
The adventures of BOB
The guy who survived his headshot
(Ends with Bob walking in sunset)
lost thorn
We don't know what are they doing with bob.
Bob's memories are altered.
Maybe th...
What if you needed time to prepare a memory to make it appropriate to be fed to the lake?
Perhaps you need to believe you are a part of rusty lake in order to have memories that feed the lake properly?
bright parrot
That is not revealed till now
But is a good chance
Coz they are not picking random citizens
lost thorn
That is not revealed till now
Had it been revealed, I would be discussing this in a different channel I suppose..
bright parrot
Is it in TPW
lost thorn
It is not.
lost thorn
But I am proposing an idea... A theory if you will.
bright parrot
That's why we all here
lost thorn
Then its just a theory
Ya
lost thorn
Thank you!
bright parrot
But I consider it a minor detail
Look at the bigger picture
How do they feed lake
What is lake
bright parrot
Thank you!
There is a theory that if lake is not fed enough memories the plaques will start
bitter siren
Hey theorist, any ideas what these Hindi-like letters translate to?
It appears most of the time when timepieces are around
analog yacht
they're stages of samsara, no?
bitter siren
@lost thorn I like your new nickname, exactly describing my mood right now 😂
Beside stages, it appeared in Birthday's gun box
floral mauve
yes
bitter siren
On the cover to be exact*
analog yacht
deva, asura, manusa, tiryak, preta, naraka
bitter siren
?
analog yacht
That's the stages
or rather, the realms
aka "the gods" (deva), "demi-gods" (asura), "humans" (manusa), "animals" (tiryak), "hungry ghosts" (preta) and "the hell denizens" (naraka)
I'm sure you can guess which are which XD
bitter siren
Where can I find more information about this?
bitter siren
aka "the gods" (deva), "demi-gods" (asura), "humans" (manusa), "animals" (tiryak...
Thanks for telling me👍
Like the origin of these languages etc.
analog yacht
Np, np
I just uh
googled it XD
But if you look up samsara I'm sure you'll find something
bitter siren
Thanks again 😁
analog yacht
np!
bright parrot
aka "the gods" (deva), "demi-gods" (asura), "humans" (manusa), "animals" (tiryak...
Preta is just ghost/soul
And narka is hell
analog yacht
I just copied from google tbh
bright parrot
I know
But yeah almost same thinga
@analog yacht
What do you think about narka
Is Rusty lake the narka
Then there must be a swarg (heaven) too
bright parrot
being enlightened is what you could call heaven in rl
That would be
Moksha (enlightenment)
If we go according to hindi
ebon aspen
Welp you dont call the corrupted souls "hungry ghosts" nor the anthros "asuras"
They wont translate literally
azure bay
Then there must be a swarg (heaven) too
Are we speaking Hinduism or Buddhism?
bitter siren
Hey people, I'm back!
I recently found out this, "The Story Continues" achievement in Cube Escape: The Cave
These seem to be good clues to something
Can I say the room 6 key belongs to Dale?
That golden cube seems to be a ticket or an invitation or a letter
And what is that broken pocket watch?
real lantern
Yeah, thats a secret achivement that has been discussed... thorougly in this channel (i think)
bitter siren
I recently found out this, "The Story Continues" achievement in Cube Escape: The...
Is there anything else I can do from here?
real lantern
Nope, thats the easter egg
bitter siren
😕
real lantern
And i dont think that we've done anything with any of the pieces as of yet
bitter siren
real lantern
But i could be wrong
bitter siren
Thanks for telling me 👍
It's best to get @covert wyvern and @azure bay on this ❤️
I suppose they know more about this
bright parrot
Are we speaking Hinduism or Buddhism?
Buddhism or Jainism
(Both are almost same)
azure bay
It's best to get <@178138301432070145> and <@351360215268196373> on this ❤️
That's a teaser of an upcoming game
Obviously it will be about Laura's childhood
Something will happen to the timepiece. I reckon, that will be a cause for a conflicr between Rose and Laura
bright parrot
Its an obvious teaser
azure bay
The key is a hotel key
bright parrot
Mr. Owl room
stone bramble
I so badly want content of rose and laura
I refuse to believe frank and leonard are dead throw them in there too
bright parrot
You so badly will get the content of rose and laura
bright parrot
I refuse to believe frank and leonard are dead throw them in there too
They are presumed to be
azure bay
Mr. Owl room
I wouldn't be so sure. Giving a number to a private room seems counter intuitive
bright parrot
There were no other room
Atleast till now
Maybe a secret room
Btw have you noticed the relation of grandfather clock and william
His body came out of it many time
azure bay
There were no other room
Hotel is a big place. While the devs never insert elements the player won't use
bright parrot
Rose went there and came with laura
bright parrot
Hotel is a big place. While the devs never insert elements the player won't use
Maybe they will update the RL Hotel and we will see a fan service or achivement
azure bay
Maybe they will update the RL Hotel and we will see a fan service or achivement
They won't. That's just not what they do
bright parrot
azure bay
Could be a localized time tool
bright parrot
That's what a clock is
azure bay
I mean
Not showing time but controlling it on a local scale
Make Laura born faster
Preserve her bodies from decaying
bright parrot
Laura can't be considered born
Rose was never pregnant
Or she was and it's not shown
azure bay
Rose was never pregnant
I'm sure she was. Just like Emma
bright parrot
I'm sure she was. Just like Emma
Like frank
Or emma
Frank's father is unknown
And maybe ida's son (forgot the name)
Is also not a vanderboom
Maybe son from previous marriage
azure bay
And maybe ida's son (forgot the name)
Is also not a vanderboom
Nonesense. He belongs to the tree. He was just born while she was on the road
She left Rusty Lake
bright parrot
Ida
bright parrot
The whose daughter is she
azure bay
Here we go again
azure bay
And how do you know about tree
The family tree in the level menu, or in The Cave book. The Vanderboom family tree
bright parrot
No
Like how did she get pregnant from tree
azure bay
That's not what I meant
bright parrot
Then
azure bay
I mean he's blood and flesh of Vanderbooms
He inherited so many traits from his grandfather James
bright parrot
Here are my questions
- Grandfather clock's relation to william
- Ida's son's biological father
And her past before marriage
azure bay
- just a tool
- Samuel
- Wandering fortune teller
azure bay
Magical tool at most
bright parrot
Most of the time in the clock
Its either laura or William
azure bay
It can't be the same clock every time
bright parrot
Its a time capsule maybe or smth
bright parrot
It can't be the same clock every time
William in many clocks then
Roots
Samsara room
And maybe cave too
azure bay
Vanderboom's clock went either to Seasons or to The Mill
azure bay
Samsara room
Don't take this clock too seriously. It was there before William was a thing
It was there before Rusty Lake was a thing
bright parrot
I just checked dates
And Samuel saw ida in
1899
And their wedding photograph scene was in 1990
Which had leonard
Which doesn't looks like an year old
And leonard went to war in 1914.
Min age to go as a solider is 18
So this proves Ida had leonard
Before marrying to samuel
Maybe samuel had an affair with her but its chances are slim
bright parrot
Where
azure bay
1889+1=1890
1900-1889=11
The screnshot you made is from the older version
There was a mistake
bright parrot
I wrote by mistake maybe
Nope I wrote what was written
And yes there seems a error now
bright parrot
So leonard is legitimate child then
Samuel lived a normal life then
Had milk at birth
Marriage
Kids
Death
azure bay
I think it's impossible to raise a child without feeding them milk
Speaking of Albert and Emma
azure bay
Raising at all. That's the only food available in infancy. Even if the mother had no milk, people had to find a nurse that had it.
bright parrot
We speaking game logic here
The logic of game is
That feed you child wine if you want it to be a psychopath with awesome fanbase
Or feed your child water (distilled of rain) if you want it to get pregnant by flower.
With little to no fanbase
stone bramble
Raising a child "normal"
I dont think normal is apart of rusty lake's vocab
im emma's fanbase 🫡
Im still obbessing over how all the people who are conntected to deers have some conntection to drinking
nicholas with the 1st plague
mr deer's entire section just making him a poison alcoholic drink
dale with his alcoholism
albert being given wine when he was like 10 seconds old
bright parrot
Yeah that doesn't sound like a coincidence
But I find that that person drinking alcohol because he is related to deer is not true
But the opposite
Like the guy drinks so he is a deer maybe true
azure bay
That feed you child wine if you want it to be a psychopath with awesome fanbase
it was a single episode from their infancy full of symbolism at most. But you need to consider IRL logic when thinking of mundane stuff
azure bay
nicholas with the 1st plague
mr deer's entire section just making him a poison ...
I'd rather say that Nicolas drinking blood is a big reference to himself drinking bloody Mary in Hotel
azure bay
Yeah that doesn't sound like a coincidence
so it could be a coincidence
you can't connect Albert to Nicolas because it wasn't wine
and you can't connect Dale to the rest of them because he's not evil
bright parrot
He said that
People who are the active drinker in each era
Are somehow
Putting a deer mask
bright parrot
how do you know Albert and Nicolas are active drinkers?
And albert was fed wine at birth
So thats +1 on him
bright parrot
what?
Nicolas asks jakob to get him a drink.
Nicolas was the only guy that had a drink
azure bay
Nicolas asks jakob to get him a drink.
he was thirsty and the only water they had turned into blood
bright parrot
Can't argue
azure bay
We've never even seen Nicolas consuming alcohol
bright parrot
But maybe animals are some sort of traits
Like boar - sloth & gluttony
But we've never seen an animal hybrid return as different humans
Other than deer
azure bay
look
where do I even start
there are totemic traits
that may pass to the next life
there are non-totemic traits
that also may pass to the next life
Here I'm speaking of Eilanders and the guests
Dale may be Deer for the same traits Nicolas was
bright parrot
there are totemic traits
So thats mayan mythology
azure bay
but they still may be different. And they are
azure bay
So thats mayan mythology
any paganism would do, I think
now Albert
some symbols may be in common for different systems and mean different things
for Albert deer isn't totemic
it's devilish
bright parrot
Animals are taken from which mythology
Animals and their hybrids do signify something
About the person's nature maybe
azure bay
Paradise cult looks pagan, that's all I can say
bright parrot
Do you know about them
azure bay
for example?
bright parrot
Do know what those animal mean in that mythology
ebon aspen
Its general animal association, no specific mythology
bright parrot
Yes
bright parrot
Like the plaques were bible plaques
azure bay
Like the plaques were bible plaques
no, it's a reference, not symbol
bright parrot
Oh yeah
azure bay
the problem with symbols is, they are very hard to decipher
multiple meanings coming from different cultures
bright parrot
Coz we don't know what to decipher it from
azure bay
exactly
bright parrot
Damn we came to an agreement after a long time
Nothing
Animal mythology can be from
Vikings too
Coz they do rituals
And asked gods of nature to bestow power of nature on them
But maybe that's unrelated
Coz there is no hint to that
azure bay
So, uniting Albert, Nicolas, Deer and Dale because they all drink at some point is irrational. This trait isn't a reliable evidence to distinguish deer people in a crowd.
We have other active drinkers in these games but they definitely aren't deers.
bright parrot
Like who
bright parrot
Bob was less of a drinker than dale
But if deer theory is true
Then there must be a deer in williams time too
azure bay
But if deer theory is true
can you state it?
azure bay
this logic is flawed
real lantern
Occams razor tells us that it makes much more sense to ignore a theory if it comes with more questions than it does awnsers, and i think that theory is leading
bright parrot
Yup
azure bay
there may or may not be another Deer before Nicolas no matter if deers are drinkers or not
bright parrot
Btw whats occams razor
azure bay
these 2 assumptions aren't connected
real lantern
Occam's razor says that the simplest solution is most often correct
azure bay
Occam's razor says that the simplest solution is most often correct
I respect Occam's razor but in fiction it's much less reliable than in the reality. Also contradicts the notion of postmodernism
real lantern
Basicaly in this case, for this "deer =drunk" theory to be true about 3 other things also need to be true, so its most likely not correct, it coukd still be correct, dont get me wrong
real lantern
I respect Occam's razor but in fiction it's much less reliable than in the reali...
Thats an understandable take on it, but at the point where for one theory to be true you need to create more, out of loose connections i do believe it applies
azure bay
the biggest problem of the original statement, the criteria aren't solid. Who can be considered an active drinker?
An alcoholic? Nicolas and Albert aren't visibly alcoholics.
Someone who drinks alcohol? Nicolas doesn't on screen.
Someone who drinks whatever on screen? Dale drinks offscreen.
Someone who drinks? Everyone drinks.
ebon aspen
I think the point here is being an alcoholic isnt a relevant trait to be considered when it comes to asuras
bright parrot
Deer asura is an interesting character
ebon aspen
Could be the devs going haha, but it would be so plain
bright parrot
As it has appeared in many games
And played by different people
Just like batman
azure bay
As it has appeared in many games
I see no reasons for that not being true for any other asuras
realistically we have only 2 Deers
Nicolas and Dale
Albert is a different case
bright parrot
Albert is wannabe deer
azure bay
Albert is wannabe deer
nah, just a sorcerer
bright parrot
realistically we have only 2 Deers
And thats what makes deer unique
analog yacht
Albert has a deer skull, which typically symbolises occult, sacrifice and the Devil
bright parrot
Which mythology
analog yacht
*as in the tarot card
though also in pagan mythos etc
similarly it's a goat in christianity
A living deer, however, tends to symbolise purity, leadership and.... another thing I forgot about
ah yes, spiritual authority
azure bay
And thats what makes deer unique
Samsara is about infinite past and future lives. And every single soul used to occupy most if not all realms at least once.
So do you think there was only 1 Rabbit or only 1 Crow across the infinite history?
analog yacht
As well as regeneration, now that I'm looking for it
A stag specifically can symbolise things like grace, instinct, spiritual enlightenment and maturity
"A stag is exalted among other deer. He is mature and experienced, having endured life's challenges, and he has a massive crown of antlers to show for it." according to uniguide.com
other websites seem to generally agree on that symbolism
bitter siren
And how do you know about tree
Cube Escape: The Cave, Rusty Lake: Roots to be accurate
bright parrot
Samsara is about infinite past and future lives. And every single soul used to o...
Of course not
But we have never seen them
azure bay
Of course not
But we have never seen them
So it's like meeting 2 persons who won a lottery. I don't see reasons to be hyped about it
bitter siren
William in many clocks then
Because a lot of the game we played in cube escape exists as memories.
Plus, ||William died (The ROOTS said so), and Aldous (William brother) hid his body in that "Magical Time Capsule Clock"||
azure bay
Because a lot of the game we played in cube escape exists as memories.
Plus, |...
these games are old, you don't have to spoiler tag them
do that only with The Past Within for the time being
analog yacht
most people don't come here unless they already played anyways
azure bay
most people don't come here unless they already played anyways
Maera didn't finish them all by the time she came here
analog yacht
Maera isn't most people 
bitter siren
I dont think normal is apart of rusty lake's vocab
100%, most of the logic in this universe can't be determined from our mindset.
If the devs want everything creepy, it will be. 🙂
azure bay
100%, most of the logic in this universe can't be determined from our mindset. ...
they still modeled a lot of their world after the real one
there is "normalcy"
Dale lives in it initially
analog yacht
Well, that's where the surreal part comes in! But yes they clearly drew a lot of irl inspiration
They just kinda
Dialed up the freaky
bitter siren
Other than deer
Did you mean Mr Deer turned into something else beside his true form in past life?
azure bay
Did you mean Mr Deer turned into something else beside his true form in past lif...
no he means we have multiple Mr. Deers
and he's the only such case
azure bay
But we've never seen an animal hybrid return as different humans
also, Nicolas is not Dale
so we have no hybrid return as a different human
bitter siren
We have other active drinkers in these games but they definitely aren't deers.
Eg: Robert Hill (Laura's ex-boyfriend, made appearanceS in CASE 23 & THEATRE)
azure bay
yeah
bitter siren
nah, just a sorcerer
Alchemist?
bright parrot
also, Nicolas is not Dale
Yup that's a no brainer
bitter siren
Samsara is about infinite past and future lives. And every single soul used to o...
Did you mean corrupted souls exist throughout the time?
bright parrot
So it's like meeting 2 persons who won a lottery. I don't see reasons to be hype...
That's a little different
But I decide to go with it
azure bay
Did you mean corrupted souls exist throughout the time?
just souls. They corrupt only under certain conditions
bitter siren
One of which is good and bad memories being extracted out of their body, right? ( Bob as an example)
azure bay
or Laura
Laura is more clear here
Bob's extraction was done within an altered memory and may or may not be real
bitter siren
I've played too many cube escapes, do you mind reminding which episode of CE where Laura's memories are extracted?
From what I remember, it's more than once
azure bay
Laura's memories were extracted in The Mill
that's the game where she became corrupted
bitter siren
Bob's extraction was done within an altered memory and may or may not be real
I agree with altered memory, the THEATRE scene is built from Dale's past memory
azure bay
I agree with altered memory, the THEATRE scene is built from Dale's past memory
yeah, but on the other hand Bob was there
and The Lost Soul dream has further potential parallels with Theatre
bitter siren
Does the theatre event happen before case 23? Which Rob has been arrested after theatre?
azure bay
Does the theatre event happen before case 23? Which Rob has been arrested after ...
in between
bitter siren
and The Lost Soul dream has further potential parallels with Theatre
What's the Lost Soul dream?
bitter siren
Oops
I haven't played it yet 🤭
Just finished the cave, going to play paradise soon
bitter siren
the club sequence
From #📚｜resources ?
azure bay
it's just 1 of The White Door levels
actually
I think you're safe to play The White Door already
bitter siren
The PARADISE is irrelevant?
azure bay
it is but not for Bob's story
azure bay
Paradox could be somewhat relevant but, honestly, I see nothing mind-blowing that would require a specific order
bitter siren
Is there a reason for the skip button? My theory is hidden clues or Easter eggs
real lantern
Could you elaborate?
azure bay
Is there a reason for the skip button? My theory is hidden clues or Easter eggs
there's nothing hidden
it's just a button
real lantern
Its just a press to start
floral mauve
idk, its quite common to skip the initial screen
azure bay
idk, its quite common to skip the initial screen
not that common in RL games recently
the recent logos lack them
floral mauve
then I have no idea
azure bay
and early games republished have a new logo
azure bay
then I have no idea
they used to be common. that's what I'm saying
floral mauve
RL studio be like: u have to stare at our logo for 5 secs
real lantern
Its a pretty logo, so i dont mind
floral mauve
me neither
also is it me or the tpw initial RL animation is sort of better
a revamp?
bitter siren
RL studio be like: u have to stare at our logo for 5 secs
Exactly what I did 😂
Is it true that the meaning behind Rusty lake is because the lake is full of hydrated iron oxide deposits from excessive blood contamination?
azure bay
Is it true that the meaning behind Rusty lake is because the lake is full of hyd...
no idea
floral mauve
Is it true that the meaning behind Rusty lake is because the lake is full of hyd...
....maybe? But I dont think science is that strict in RL
bright parrot
it's just a button
The new logo in TPW has some new details
bitter siren
What does this image shows?
azure bay
The new logo in TPW has some new details
I'm telling you, it's not new
it's 4 years old
bright parrot
it's 4 years old
Which game
azure bay
Paradox short film
azure bay
Still its the latest logo
nope, the latest was made for The White Door
and used in every Flash project ever since
azure bay
I don't doubt the existence of the hotel, if that's what you are implying
bright parrot
Neither do I
All I was saying is that new (TPW Logo) has something new
That's it
No hidden meaning
You wre just confusing yourself
azure bay
well it was in the theories channel
bright parrot
well it was in the theories channel
But
Logo is Logo
Nothing more
covert wyvern
Alright i'm shutting you up
bright parrot
Thanks
covert wyvern
You can't just bring something up yourself and then accuse someone else when they wish to discuss it in specifically theories.
Don't do that, it's mean.
covert wyvern
I'm not muting you but I'm suggesting you stay out of theories for a bit before I do.
azure bay
well, if he has theories to discuss, I'd welcome him
bright parrot
My apologies
Nowherecrow
azure bay
My apologies
Nowherecrow
there was no grudge in the 1st place
covert wyvern
That's fair then! but this was worth calling out.
bright parrot
Yup it was
How will the new game
About rose and laura may benifit to plot
Coz game based in past only fill the loopholes or introduce some characters
The point is maybe the plot may not advance in game (in timeline)
azure bay
How will the new game
About rose and laura may benifit to plot
It will likely answer how they left the lake, how they parted ways, how the timepiece was broken
It also has some chance of answering why the hell Owl took Laura to the lake in 1969
for me it's a huge gap in understanding
bright parrot
It will likely answer how they left the lake, how they parted ways, how the time...
If I am not wrong by 1969 incident you mean the mill incedent
azure bay
If I am not wrong by 1969 incident you mean the mill incedent
The Lake
and consequentially Harvey's Box
bright parrot
What do you think about time peice
azure bay
a clock necessary to open the brothers' altar
bright parrot
Then its just a key
azure bay
it seems so
bright parrot
Maybe there is more to it
Somehow its related to grandfather's clock maybe
Or smth
Coz devs could have just made a key instead of time peice
azure bay
a key would be blend on the other hand
covert wyvern
i think a fancy timepiece as a key is a fun idea:)
bright parrot
Imagine having 5-10 timepiece for each different lock at home
LOL
covert wyvern
well no but you could definitely see the timepiece as an extra security measure. Relatively "normal" item to have but maybe it has a mechanism where itll only open the altar when set to a specific time
sort of like an external vault key?
bitter siren
It will likely answer how they left the lake, how they parted ways, how the time...
I'm sorry that I keep losing track of progress😅 (I have short term memory) but, when did Mr Owl takes Laura to the Lake again?
ebon aspen
When "rusty lake: rust"?
bitter siren
When blood contaminates the lake, I guess 😀
And overtime, the iron in the thick blood lake had a chemical reaction with air and water, which caused the rusting process, which leads to the latter
azure bay
And overtime, the iron in the thick blood lake had a chemical reaction with air ...
we're not sure how often the lake bleeds
floral mauve
night time
bitter siren
Why did the person in red disappear?
bitter siren
we're not sure how often the lake bleeds
Since the beginning 😂, and it was never purified ever since
ebon aspen
thats the lice/gnats plague?
bright parrot
Why did the person in red disappear?
Person in red depicts the lice plaque
ebon aspen
it seems the person in red is being haunted by the little fellows
bright parrot
we're not sure how often the lake bleeds
We've only seen the lake rusty/red once.
Maybe the name itself signifies an event
The plaque event
bitter siren
Who made Ms Eilendeer blind? 🥹
Why is Grandma Eilendeer cooking herself?
I'm just going to question everything from now on 😂
wind axle
i personally think that elizabeth was born blind but that's just me
she was hiding from a certain somebody
bright parrot
i personally think that elizabeth was born blind but that's just me
She is blind like daredevil from marvel LOL
bright parrot
Why is Grandma Eilendeer cooking herself?
Grandma sitting in pot is a refrence to RL Hotel
Where her Hybrid form (Pigeon) is in a bath tub
azure bay
We've only seen the lake rusty/red once.
Maybe the name itself signifies an even...
The well indicates that the cult knew about the plagues. David even has his favorite one
azure bay
i personally think that elizabeth was born blind but that's just me
Some theorize that it was Caroline's death
bright parrot
Some theorize that it was Caroline's death
If it was due to Caroline's death
Then she is not blind its more of a mental shock and she may see again if it was cured.
Which also answers questions like how did she knew about the look of things and as I said earlier "Daredevil" blind
And yes she may have had mental shock watching how and why they are killing caroline
azure bay
Mind spoliers for Maera
south imp
Maybe a spoiler
but My biggest theory about Cube escape
|| Laura killed her self and I have the proof
1 in the cave we see her kill herself in the memory of the black cube
2 When we play the character of Laura for example from the season and see her being strangled by a corrupt soul it could refer to black ideas that she had
3 In The White Door in one of Robert's dreams we saw her at the cafe with him saying that she no longer prefers him to see himself then some time later she is declared dead in the news I don't think since she loved him that she would have decided to simply abandon him she might have decided to move away from him to make him less suffer because she already intended to end ||
azure bay
1 is valid
2 is kinda valid. It was always about cutting throat and never about strangulation
a CS representing her ideas or depression is a valid viewpoint but not the only one
3 is mostly speculations
We don't know if Laura truly loved him
and the reason she left was the lake where she felt better
south imp
(I forgot to say it’s been like 2 months I’m training to finally have this theory close )
azure bay
what do u mean?
south imp
It’s like 2 months I was trying to get all the proof about my theory
I just got the last one this morning when I was looking an editing video of Robert and Laura
azure bay
I understand, rationality doesn't go well with fiction theorizing but IRL we'd better gather the evidence 1st and only then come to a conclusion
bright parrot
I believe that accusation of Laura's murder narrow down to two identities
- Laura's Corrupted soul
- Dale's corrupted soul
But both of them can be tackled as
How can Laura's soul kill her body if soul originates from and after body
And apperantly Dale didn't knew Laura before the case.
So how could he kill her
azure bay
How can Laura's soul kill her body if soul originates from and after body
branching timelines time travel
or
(as I like it more)
bright parrot
So she's not dead
Maybe she committed suicide
She was a drug addict
Of prozac
Which I consider a hallucinogen
azure bay
her dosage of prozac was lower than recommended
analog yacht
prozac was to deal with her depression my dude
bright parrot
But is it a suicide or not
bright parrot
prozac was to deal with her depression my dude
Prozac seems SUS
azure bay
prozac was to deal with her depression my dude
it has suicidal tendencies as a side effect
bright parrot
Antidepressants are addictive
analog yacht
They add "suicidal tendencies" as a side effect to all depression medication
because they can't tell if it's the medication or just more depression
azure bay
They add "suicidal tendencies" as a side effect to *all* depression medication
would the devs dive so deep if they've mesed up the dates?
bright parrot
And maybe that will ans if she committed a suicide
analog yacht
again, what I mean is that medication can't necessarily stop suicidal tendencies
but since you still have those tendencies, often while taking medication, it's added as a side effect
bright parrot
But dude uts rusty lake
azure bay
And maybe that will ans if she committed a suicide
we know almost nothing about her yet. Only that she's reborn. But come on, everyone is reborn
analog yacht
whether the devs knew about that is irrelevant
And thanks to paradox, it's even less clear if it was murder or suicide because we don't know what's memory and what's tampering
azure bay
And thanks to paradox, it's even less clear if it was murder or suicide because ...
Paradox is unreal. But it can be symbolic.
so yeah
unclear
analog yacht
in seasons, it's implied that the corrupted soul is hers.
in paradox, it could both be hers, and then secondly dale's
covert wyvern
Paradoxes ending was clearly dale 'beating' Laura and ascending wdym that wasn't about murder at all
azure bay
in seasons, it's *implied* that the corrupted soul is hers.
in paradox, it could...
could be both
analog yacht
it could also be both, yes
covert wyvern
I personally like the idea of her corrupted soul killing her:)
analog yacht
it makes most sense, yes
azure bay
it could also be both, yes
Dale's CS harassing her and her own CS depicting the resulting depression
azure bay
I personally like the idea of her corrupted soul killing her:)
and then "fuck go back". Plus, we've seen Laura doing it herself
bright parrot
we know almost nothing about her yet. Only that she's reborn. But come on, every...
We don't know why she was depressed Fine
So my conclusion is
Prozac splitted her mind in two
The human and the CS the CS took over the body and killed laura
azure bay
So I that's a no no
every time travel is timeline branching depending on the time travel system
analog yacht
we don't know why the cs splits from the body, and I kind of doubt that it's prozac causing it
bright parrot
Same happened to dale
azure bay
Same happened to dale
nope, that IS actually timeline branching
bright parrot
every time travel is timeline branching depending on the time travel system
We've not seen time travel in RL
analog yacht
we have tho
azure bay
Its a memory
dude, just play The Past Within
analog yacht
that too
bright parrot
dude, just play The Past Within
Waiting for my friend to finish the whole series
May take another century
bright parrot
I'm a man of my words
-Its me a mario
azure bay
or ||watch my video about Albert||
bright parrot
I could suggest making them play Roots
He playing all games in series
What do you say about
That pr9zac theory
Dale also saw hallucinations
And his CS became clearer after the dosage of prozac
And his mind started to split into two
Which finnally led to RL paradox
Which is all in his mind
analog yacht
prozac doesn't typically cause hallucinations though. Weird dreams maybe but even those are rare
azure bay
we have nothing suggesting Dale taking prozac
bright parrot
we have nothing suggesting Dale taking prozac
I have a blur memory of dale taking prozac.
It was maybe in case 23
bright parrot
but yes, prozac is not a hallucinogenic.
I object.
Laura saw eye instead of a ceiling lamp after taking prozac
analog yacht
that's... not because of prozac
azure bay
I have a blur memory of dale taking prozac.
It was maybe in case 23
I think you confuse him with Bob
analog yacht
I looked up the symptoms and I know how antidepressants work cause I was on them
prozac is not a hallucinogenic
bright parrot
I think you confuse him with Bob
He took them in TWD
But that'll do
bright parrot
I looked up the symptoms and I know how antidepressants work cause I was on them
Sorry to hear that
I hope you're fine now.
But this is rusty lake things aren't normal
analog yacht
yes, but that also means that it could be the lake or the game's logic that causes it, not the pills
bright parrot
You gotta agree that
Laura's CS became active after prozac
And same for Bob
The main question was
"Did Laura's CS took over her body"
analog yacht
causation vs correlation
prozac was a popular drug some time ago, the fact that they both took it might be coincidence.
However
the CS likely showed up because of declining mental health, which is symbolised by prozac, for instance
it's not because of prozac. It's symbolised by prozac
bright parrot
prozac was a popular drug some time ago, the fact that they both took it might b...
They didn't take it by choice
It was given