🤔｜theories

[slow ridge]

Maybe yes or no, but who knows? Even angry bird and Warcraft have their movies

[carmine elk]

LMAOO

God no tho

I’d read RL in a comic tbh

[azure bay]

Warcraft is a AAA product developed by giant teams

[azure bay]

such a shame they don't print Paradox comic books anymore

[floral mauve]

remember my project? And the reason why I stopped it

[astral frost]

last-minute theories without any foundation (but I want to tell it there anyway): what if Albert someway "converged" with William in the sacrifice for Laura's birth?

(just a sudden idea, thinking about Albert's love for violence and Laura's death)

[carmine elk]

I don’t think William and Albert converged BUT I do think that Laura has some intrusive thoughts relating to thing albert would do cause of the brain thing

[floral mauve]

I dont think Albert will get involved with Laura.
However, I read a theory about Albert trying to revive using Rose's body, basically replace Rose's soul with his

its cursed

dont like it

[covert wyvern]

I suppose thats one good reason to have childrenm

[floral mauve]

OOF

[south imp]

I don’t if someone gonna be interested about my theories but I have theories about Albert

I think Albert is Schizophrenic like I was reading a fiction and it was the moment after Albert kill Ida and Samuel he say to the OC "please don’t leave me I swear I do that to protect them the deer they reserved an even more terrible spell for them" and I think about that
Or second theory he just want to have revenge for his siblings play with he’s life ‘cause he’s allergic to bee

[floral mauve]

Well, if it’s the first one he won’t kill them in the first place

Simply torture

[brittle dune]

ok wait albert in the promo art has white hair an shit, yet when (roots spoilers) ||frank killed him|| wasnt he not at that stage of age yet? or am i misremembering

[carmine elk]

Probably just wanted to update his appearance im guessing

[fallen linden]

I mean hair colour can change after death?

[covert wyvern]

Holy shit my hair is gonna look so good when I'm dead

(this is cool I didn't know that!)

[fallen linden]

I had to look it up lmao

[covert wyvern]

Still fair!!

[hollow igloo]

At the end of Roots, Albert has indeed white hair, I’m pretty sure about it

I should check to confirm it

[azure bay]

you shouldnùt

I confirm

also you see a line of the brain cut

[hollow igloo]

I was going to say that, it’s a pretty neat detail

Btw I just watched a gameplay and yes, white hair.

[bright parrot]

Sry was offline for a while

RL hotel came on Jan 29 2016
And RL birthday came on Feb 15 2016.

So maybe it was a hint of next game

I still can't figure out if there was a plot or not in samsara room

[high talon]

Unrelated but

Tbh I feel if the dog has died in Roots people would've rioted

[floral mauve]

there is a plot I believe

connecting Roots

[bright parrot]

And in RL cave ending Detective is trapped in the Rusty lake mental asylum and the Rusty lake paradox is inside is mind while being in the faculty

[bright parrot]

Tell me what you understand

Btw do you work for RL

[floral mauve]

no?

[bright parrot]

You are online a lot soooo

[floral mauve]

I dont have Red names

[floral mauve]

I wish

[high talon]

I never touch grass

[bright parrot]

Me tooo

[floral mauve]

is grass real?

[bright parrot]

What is grass

[high talon]

Yes

[floral mauve]

have u played roots

[bright parrot]

Yeah

[covert wyvern]

Fot reference; red names- rusty lake blue names - snr mods yellow names - regular mods

[bright parrot]

What is grass

[floral mauve]

then tell me what do you think of the ending

of Roots

[bright parrot]

The end is

All three siblings go their way

And RL will explore them now

Like they are doing with rose

[floral mauve]

I am slightly confused of what you mean by that

[azure bay]

Too many perspectives from different eras to be covered by a single mind

[high talon]

They aren't sibling's except Rose n Leo

Who are half siblings

[floral mauve]

[bright parrot]

In RL roots rose and 2 others idk who are left

Rose is shown now

[floral mauve]

yes

I do get what you mean

[bright parrot]

And acc to me
Rl roots was history

[floral mauve]

so do you remember the baby?

[bright parrot]

Just a tale

[floral mauve]

who is the baby

at the end

[bright parrot]

It was albert maybe

[floral mauve]

what was William's plan

[floral mauve]

wha

[high talon]

No

[floral mauve]

thats was unexpected

[high talon]

It wasn't Albert

[rigid silo]

plot twist

[floral mauve]

funny enough, I heard of Albert - Laura theory but I used The cave booklet to counter it

[high talon]

Several people are typing

[bright parrot]

Sry william got confused in names

[carmine elk]

This whole channel rn feels like plane lag

[bright parrot]

Cave booklet

[floral mauve]

tbh, not really

[bright parrot]

What

[floral mauve]

its reincarnated William yes

but she is Laura

[bright parrot]

English is not my native lang I got confused

[bright parrot]

Yes she is

That I know

[azure bay]

If you go "Rusty Lake is all Dale's hallucination" that is

[high talon]

Lmao that gave me the funniest idea

[bright parrot]

Not all
Some are real and some are hallucinations and altered memories

[bright parrot]

Shoot

[floral mauve]

it is an approachable path

[azure bay]

The Cave isn't even Dale's perspective

[bright parrot]

You tell what you were saying roots ending etc.

[high talon]

Dales just ...on those special candies

[floral mauve]

so try to connect roots ending and Samsara's room

[high talon]

If you know you know

[bright parrot]

It is being fed in Dave's mind by RL faculty

[floral mauve]

what do you think

[bright parrot]

So are we laura in samsara room
Kinda forgot the game played it long time ago

[azure bay]

No, it's Mr. Crow and Mr. Owl preparing his pretty much real elevator journey alongside the elixir ritual

[floral mauve]

maybe we are her soul but I think its William's perspective since he received a letter from Crow

[bright parrot]

So why is dave there is this a glimpse to future
Or a look in the past

[bright parrot]

The journey of william to laura

[floral mauve]

I think you got it!

sussy baka

[azure bay]

Dale is just there. In Case 23 he went down the lake and then, according to murals, took a walk to that big white cube Crow found him in

[covert wyvern]

That's irrelevant and Also sharing prive information on a very public Discord is a big no.

[bright parrot]

Case 23 is reality
Cabin is altered memory of Cabin in case 23

[floral mauve]

em

[azure bay]

Is The Mill real?

[bright parrot]

It may have occurred but no as horrendous as it was in game
The game was altered memory

[azure bay]

Altered memory of who?

[bright parrot]

Dave maybe

And its a strong maybe

It may be anyone else's being fed into dave

[rigid silo]

wait whos dave

[azure bay]

Dale has next to nothing to do with The Mill

It's about Mr. Crow extracting Laura's memories

[bright parrot]

He may have we just don't know till now

Plus in RL Bday the grandpa is not real and he looks like sry forgot who but he looks like someone from game

[bright parrot]

Laura's or Williams'

[azure bay]

Mr. Crow is canonically the protagonist of The Mill

[azure bay]

Both

[bright parrot]

Maybe its dave in alberts shoes

[azure bay]

The devs said themselves it's Mr. Crow

[bright parrot]

Just remembered
Grandpa looks like boatman from case 23

[bright parrot]

Then maybe its a filler game
A memory fragment we may need later

[azure bay]

It's not a filler. The Mill is a very important episode

It shows what happened behind the scenes of Case 23 and explains how Laura became corrupted.

ALL Case 23

Including the part you call Dale's fever dream

[bright parrot]

Damn never saw it like that

[rigid silo]

(whos dave)

[bright parrot]

Will you reply me if i dm you

I will take no for an answer

[bright parrot]

Its ok boi

[rigid silo]

huh

no thats not an answer

[floral mauve]

for christ sake, why would I answer your dm, u could ask me in the cabin

[bright parrot]

Sry if I have irritated or annoyed you

[floral mauve]

its fine

[azure bay]

They call Dale Dave

[rigid silo]

ohhhh

[bright parrot]

Dn was it dale

They were like dave

And then I also said

Yeah dave

[bright parrot]

Bruv you look interesting AF

Listen from today each day we will discuss a game or two in RL universe

Capeesh

[covert wyvern]

Well theories is always available lmao

[bright parrot]

Wut
I didn't get that
Was that for me

[covert wyvern]

Yes.

[rigid silo]

yeah the channel is always open to talk in they mean

so you can talk abt games in here any day, thats what its for

[covert wyvern]

Sam nails it!

[bright parrot]

I was gonna talk on grp only.

I don't DM this type of things people will boycott me

[rigid silo]

not to minimod but we might want to take this conversation to #🛖｜the-cabin its getting a bit off topic

[covert wyvern]

It's slowly getting there

[bright parrot]

This place is better than cabin

Only ultrageeks come here lol

[covert wyvern]

Don't worry if it goes too far I'm on it

[floral mauve]

I am not sure what you mean

[rigid silo]

thats what the cabin is for tho, so ima stop talking here lol

[bright parrot]

Cabin got a lot of people

I checked in a few weeks ago here there wre only you and the crow guy.

Which are still there

[floral mauve]

me and nowhere are here most of the time

[bright parrot]

Thats what I said

[floral mauve]

well not really, some ppl from cabin do join the convo sometimes

[bright parrot]

You passed the vibe check

[carmine elk]

I love stalking the channel and seeing how other people processes thrn gamrs

[bright parrot]

So what It aint smth private

[carmine elk]

TGE GAMES

[azure bay]

If you want to go offtopic with me, just ping me in the appropriate channel

[bright parrot]

I stop here

[floral mauve]

use

actually

#✅｜rules 1

[bright parrot]

capeesh

[covert wyvern]

Ye I do think we should wrap up here, anything off topic can head to #🛖｜the-cabin , if more theories are to be shared; pop off! Otherwise: have a nice evening y'all:)

[bright parrot]

Its 2:30 AM here so
Good morning
Goodnight
Adios
Over and out

[floral mauve]

Guys

I have a big brain thought

what if the cabin's function is to trigger your inner CS

So its not Mr Deer who attacked Dale but his own CS (a bit sneaky explanation but still valid)

[floral mauve]

same for Laura

Harvey?

idk

just my thought

face your corrupted soul does exist in RL

though in paradox

[floral mauve]

in fact even in twd

[bright parrot]

Acc to me"the cabin"(game)is altered memory of the cabin part from case 23

Or vice-versa

[bright parrot]

Laura was triggered in mills
Maybe you said it earlier

[floral mauve]

Memory of whom?

[bright parrot]

Dale

Dale is in RL faculty

And his memories are being altered

Now the thing is idk which of the two cabin is real

Comeon say smth

[floral mauve]

Never said that, I meant 1969

[bright parrot]

Incedent name

[bright parrot]

Then someone else said

11 hrs ago

I am that guy who asked which country you live in

Remember

@floral mauve you there

[floral mauve]

The lake game

[bright parrot]

Maybe thats an altered memory

Or that is a begining or a part of Dale's journey

Listen

Dale is introduced in case 23

And then it is shown he goes in a lift

Which has 3 buttons

Each for a floor (memory)

[floral mauve]

I dont get what you mean

I meant Laura

not a single word of Dale

[bright parrot]

Idk much about laura

Would like to know your views on her

From starting

From her birth at the end of roots

@floral mauve

And then I will tell all I know about dale

Capeesh

[floral mauve]

pls dont ping me constantly

once is enough

I will reply when I have time

[bright parrot]

K

[floral mauve]

First, how is the lake a altered memory if there is no indication of us being inside of a memory like seasons or Arles

[bright parrot]

Dale goes in the lift

[floral mauve]

I am talking about The Lake

[bright parrot]

Which is the same like it was in RL Bday

[floral mauve]

not Case 23

[bright parrot]

Wait lemme check

So case 23 is the altered memory

Maybe

And RL the lake is the real incedent

And we don't know what happened to dale after the lake

Coz all the games that came after it are running in Dale's mind

[floral mauve]

Case 23 is in fact not an altered memory either since we arent in a memory

or u could say it is altered but elaborate

use ur own evidence

[covert wyvern]

Consider the following; multiple people visit the same place.

[floral mauve]

I dont get what you mean here but sure

[bright parrot]

Yes
This one

Like he is being brainwashed

The games that came after Rusty lake THE LAKE with dale as protagonist are set in past (in his memory) there is no hint what happened to him after THE LAKE incedent

[floral mauve]

I wonder if u realise The Lake is about Laura

not Dale

[ebon aspen]

He got thru his memory trip and now is finishing being prepared to be the lake master (or whatever you like to call what mr owl is)
After the cave we see him in that room at the bottom of the lake, and in paradox the bird fellows talk about whts to happen

And yeah, the lake doesnt feature dale at all

Ig youre talking about the mill/case 23

[bright parrot]

Laura is a bit tough nut to crack for me

I want to know whatever you know about her
Down to every minute detail

[floral mauve]

you should say what you think of her first

[bright parrot]

That's the RL mental hospital faculty where dale is kept with laura and his memories are altered with her memories

[floral mauve]

maybe

[bright parrot]

She is daughter of Rose
Reincarnation of william
She had a boyfriend bob
Thats it

[bright parrot]

Exactly maybe now they will conclude his storyline from past and will move it in future

[floral mauve]

whats Seasons about

[bright parrot]

Soooo
Are we playing as laura

[bright parrot]

Its about Laura's daily life through seasons maybe

[ebon aspen]

Imma be honest, i cant really picture a game about dale with events after the cave besides the final one
Maybe we can get smth where he goes really deep into the lake lore so we get some great revelations bf the series final, but thats me having wishful thoughts bc i would love a game carried by detective action (hey devs, im talking to you guys)

[ebon aspen]

Yes, she goes to the cabin after she dumped bob and started to look for mental health help (the cabin was part of MH&F)

[covert wyvern]

I think a concluding game with dale as new ruler could work?

It would depend on the setup ig!

But that's not a theory haha, carry on!

[bright parrot]

Dale as the new MR. OWL
Thats what mr. Owl want

[floral mauve]

neither do devs xd

they are like nah, not gonna trigger fans, gonna do some prequels

[ebon aspen]

Dale fails to defeat the lake and needs to find an apprentice just like jakob did with him
We proceed to another series of 30+ games, 🅱️ale: rusty lake next generations

[bright parrot]

@ebon aspen

From case 23

[ebon aspen]

The prequels could feature dale as a memory traveler going brrrrr on sherlock holmes mode

[bright parrot]

Maybe dave and laura are trapped

Somehow

[covert wyvern]

Basically this

[ebon aspen]

He could pet the mammoth!

[covert wyvern]

A doctor who esque series of games where dale deep dives could b a lot of fun honestly

[real lantern]

He could ride the mammoth!

[floral mauve]

thats the plan atm

[ebon aspen]

Reaching the lake here doesnt mean the game

[bright parrot]

Mammoth go brrrr

[covert wyvern]

This is why we picked you as a mod

[real lantern]

Imagine dale atop his mighty steed, cube in hand, shouting for freedom from the lake's grasp

[bright parrot]

Then it will take another century to complete the new generation judging from the speed of development

(Yes devs I am targeting you make game quickly plzzzzz)

[floral mauve]

its fine, a game a year for me is enough, two would be harmony but cant be expecting much. Time polishes the games

[bright parrot]

Dale the almighty rises from the ashes of Mr. Owl soars like a phoenix to the end of the world

[floral mauve]

I would rather wait a while to get nice decent game.
not damn cyberpunk 2077

anyway

off topic

[bright parrot]

You were telling me about laura

Then I will tell you about dale

[floral mauve]

tell me what do you think of Laura or Dale

[bright parrot]

What do you know about him

Dale is a detective with traumatic past.

[floral mauve]

He reached another level after conquering all trauma and tests

[bright parrot]

He is chosen by jakob to be his successor

[floral mauve]

eventually becoming a powerful being superior than Owl and Crow in terms of samsara

[bright parrot]

And he is trapped in RL faculty where he is being brainwashed

Where his memories are filled with THE LAKE which may not be real

[bright parrot]

What is samsara

[bright parrot]

Laura as I told you earlier
Lemme add smth

She is like a pendrive or smth which is transferring the memories of lake in dale

I am going offline now maybe for a couple of hours just type everything I will read it later

Thankyou

[vague imp]

Hi🥲

I dont have anohtet Player to Play the Game 🥲

[real lantern]

Ope, you can go ahead and ask in #🔎｜find-lite-partner ! Soon enought someone is gonna show up!

[vague imp]

Ok ty

[bright parrot]

I have some questions can I dm you

[real lantern]

Go right ahead, cant promise i'l be able to answer if its theory related tho lmao

[floral mauve]

....

did u copy paste it somewhere

if u want to discuss

free to share some of your thoughts

[bright parrot]

Reddit

[floral mauve]

@covert wyvern I cant, help

[bright parrot]

Read it

Will you read it

I am sending link

[floral mauve]

nope

I am quite serious on it now, I like this channel clean and tidy

even though I am not a mod

[bright parrot]

Did I do smth wrong

[floral mauve]

but pls

[covert wyvern]

Honestly I think they're doing fine

[bright parrot]

I will fix it asap

[floral mauve]

u could share a link

not spam

[bright parrot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/rustylake/comments/9q7rp5/the_full_story_of_rusty_lake_all_of_the_spoilers/

I don't spam

It ain't no promotion

[floral mauve]

thats better

and I wanted you to discuss about ur own thought rather than copy pasting answers but whatever

why would I bother

[covert wyvern]

But ye if you're borrowing others theories please just drop anlink

Crediting is important

[bright parrot]

I wrote the source

[bright parrot]

And yeah
Your point is duly noted

I may not even read it now

[covert wyvern]

@bright parrot if people want to respond to your memes, they will.

Also Stray specifically requested you'd stop pinging them, so please stop doing so.

Consider this a warning

[azure bay]

so you think he's a regular madman in a mental institute and Owl and Crow are conducting unethical experiments on him for science?

[bright parrot]

No
He is fine
Mr owl wants him to be his successor.
And that's why they have kept him prisoner

And he is filling him with memories of lake from Laura

So he may not differentiate which are his true memories and which are fed to him

[azure bay]

what evidence do you have?

[bright parrot]

RL the cave Ending

Its all just a strong guess

But if you follow my steps you will feel the same

[azure bay]

exactly, that's a guess

no better than any other guess until backed with evidence

[bright parrot]

If you have an evidence then

Tell your theory

On the cube ending
Where is dale
Why is he sitting with laura in that white room

[azure bay]

I see 2 purposes

1. The Cave ending is the outside perspective on Paradox. The secret ending of ch2 is what Dale sees while entering the elevator still unconscious

[bright parrot]

So like dale is sitting and its all going in his mind in white cube room

Whats the 2nd loint

[azure bay]

2. Dale and Laura participate in another elixir ritual.

[bright parrot]

Why dale and laura

Why not mr crow

[azure bay]

Mr. Crow already had his ritual

I reckon it's no use for him anymore

I can't give you an answer why Laura tho

why recapturing her after she fled The Mill

[bright parrot]

Coz laura is william

She is the major part of lake

But why dale
We don't know anything about dales family or how is he connected to lake

[azure bay]

I'm almost sure any other person would do as well

[bright parrot]

My question to you is
Where is dale after case 23

[azure bay]

William's value is his past life elixir knowledge. But Laura lost this knowledge with memories extracted

[azure bay]

literally at the lake bottom in that big white cube

[bright parrot]

But william/laura is part of lake

[azure bay]

what part?

[bright parrot]

Is that the rusty lake mental facility

[azure bay]

yes and no

[bright parrot]

Not part part
But a peice part

[bright parrot]

Elaborate

[azure bay]

I think hotel is the institute site. And the cube is connected to it via the elevator

like a secret basement

[bright parrot]

Yes thats true

But hotel is diff
And maybe the basement is called rusty lake mental facility

Coz many time it is told to dale to join RL mental asylum

And there are many flyers

[azure bay]

not entirely true

why I think hotel is the place:

1. Owl mentions fishing facilities that would cure Mr. Boar from his addictions
2. The flyer in Paradox is about the hotel

the one in Dale's medical files

[bright parrot]

Yeah so both mental facility and hotel are connected

Which confirms

That basement is mental facility

[azure bay]

it doesn't confirm that, really

the flyer speaks of the hotel being that facility

[bright parrot]

But as you saw in RL hotel

[azure bay]

and the cube was there long before the hotel

[bright parrot]

There is no mental patient in it

[bright parrot]

It may be

[azure bay]

Mr. Boar is

[bright parrot]

Mr boar is reincarnation of jakobs uncle

[azure bay]

there is a giant cube at the lake bottom in the ending of Paradise

[azure bay]

and he was invited as a patient

[bright parrot]

They all were

[azure bay]

nope, only Boar

[bright parrot]

Ok

Yeah

[azure bay]

the others had different reasons to be there

[bright parrot]

Tell the reasons

If you know

[azure bay]

Rabbit and Pheasant had their shows at RL Theatre owned by Owl

Pigeon and Deer researched topics Owl was interested in

[bright parrot]

Now you say that

They do have

Blueprints of

Secret Basement in their room

[azure bay]

not really

[bright parrot]

Its lift smth

Which is underground

[azure bay]

there was no elevator on any of the blueprints

only a question what's underneath the surface

damn, like I can't type anymore

[bright parrot]

There in frame

On wall

[azure bay]

and no elevator

[fallen linden]

do you know what topics?

[bright parrot]

Secret basement and lift

[azure bay]

they have no lift there

[bright parrot]

Check that paper on wall for once

[azure bay]

I know these games

[bright parrot]

It screams "SECRET BASEMENT PLAN"

[azure bay]

there's no elevator

[bright parrot]

There is no

[azure bay]

no "secret" word

[bright parrot]

They are planning one

[azure bay]

you don't know that

[bright parrot]

Secret basement beneath the hotel

[azure bay]

you know it's there, you don't know if Deer is related to it. He's a damn chemist

[bright parrot]

There is no
There will be one
And they have blueprints here
The are smart

[azure bay]

Deer is just a chemist

he was researching the lake water

[bright parrot]

For what purpose

[azure bay]

I don't know. Maybe he was personally curious about the lake itself. Maybe Owl didn't know enough about the lake

I bet on 2 because there's a stamp

but Deer is no engineer

[bright parrot]

There is almost no plot revelation till now

All we can do is guess

[bright parrot]

Maybe he is doing it for secret basement

[azure bay]

maybe, but that means that there's no secret basement yet and RLMH&F is the hotel

[bright parrot]

What is MH&F

Btw RL paradise is the hotel

[azure bay]

mental health & fishing

[azure bay]

I'd rather say hotel was built upon Paradise island

[bright parrot]

Yes

[azure bay]

Another reason why I don't think the cube is THE institute, Laura wasn't kept there during her trip in 1969

[bright parrot]

The LAKE one

[azure bay]

Yes, if you speak about a Cube Escape game

[bright parrot]

Damn man you confusing me

After discussing with you

All I know is they have revealed little to no plot

There are many characters

[azure bay]

We have almost 16 games. I think we can be sure about SOME topics

[bright parrot]

Arels was a filler (according to me)

[azure bay]

Ok, 15 games

[bright parrot]

And many protagonist

We have jakob

Harvey

William

Laura

Dale

Some have their backstory covered

Like laura

Jakob

Other don't

[azure bay]

Those who matter for the main arc are mostly Laura and Dale. Maybe Crow in bts games

[bright parrot]

Can't say
Maybe all lines will meet at the end

Dale must have some secrets buried deep

He is somehow related to Owl like Laura is related to william

[azure bay]

Dale is already exposed a lot

[bright parrot]

There is no backstory

Except the bday incedent

[azure bay]

That's enough to create multiple theories

[bright parrot]

Do we know about vandermeer family

Like we know about vanderbooms

Or eilanders

Maybe a full fledged game will come on Dale's family too

[azure bay]

1st question

[bright parrot]

Like Rl roots or paradise

[azure bay]

Why do Vandermeers have to be as important as the others?

[bright parrot]

Cant say now

As they are not explored now

But they must be imp

As no one comes in lake alone

[azure bay]

I can say now, they don't have to be important for the story to roll out

There is a theory why they are

But it's just a theory

A bit debatable one

[bright parrot]

Shoot

[azure bay]

Grandpa looks a lot like Crow. So either Crow IS Dale's grandpa or, yeah, he pretends to be one exclusively inside altered memories

[bright parrot]

2nd one

As in rl paradox there is no grandpa

Btw I am going for now
But I will reply to all of your theory asap

[azure bay]

There's a way to counter that

Paradox literally didn't have any more sitting places

Paradox didn't need comic relief of his

[bright parrot]

The newspaper article in RL paradox reads that both parents dead
There is no word about grandpa.
Neither his parents are alive if grandpa shot rabbit

[fallen linden]

I think the article in roots also mentions parents dead but nothing about grandpa

in the bird flying puzzle

[bright parrot]

And in RL theatre
The alterations are

1. aldous (mr crow) being the bartender
2. Bob (laura ex) on the bar

Maybe RL theatre is not his memory
Maybe its Laura's

[floral mauve]

Why it’s Laura’s, pls give more explanations

[azure bay]

we literally have Bob's perspective on the theatre and Dale is secretely there

[bright parrot]

It was just a guess
But now if you look into it Yeah RL theatre is more of Laura than of dale

If you see in RL paradox you can only see the bartender in theatre and maybe that too is not aldous

Whereas in the RL theatre game the character Bob,Aldous etc. Are connected to Laura more than Bob

So my new conclusion is maybe it is Dale's memory but it is a lot more altered

[bright parrot]

And the mill may be about laura but its protagonist is Dale

That too can be confirmed in paradox

[ebon aspen]

mill's protag is crow

[bright parrot]

Then why is mill the memory of dale

[ebon aspen]

it isnt

dale was taking care of the case 23

[bright parrot]

Then why is mill his memory

[ebon aspen]

and if youre referring to the theatre section in which mr owl uses a mill, then its just him explaining the samsara concept

[bright parrot]

Not that
Rusty Lake
The Mills

And Brain puzzle in Paradox

[ebon aspen]

im afraid i dont know which game is that

[bright parrot]

Look the A2 block

[ebon aspen]

dale never set foot on the mill, at least not in the games

[bright parrot]

If dale wasn't there

Why is there a memory

And Harvey's box memory is also there

Why

[ebon aspen]

tbh it doesnt resemble the mill besides it being a set of pipes and gears

feels way more alike to c23 chap 4

[bright parrot]

Look at the wallpaper of room

Case 23 is B3

[ebon aspen]

and last of all, paradox has a bunch of altered memories courtesy of crow and owl (unless dale met laura when she was alive and such)

[bright parrot]

And there are some memories that are not Dale's
So my ans is We are dale and the other games (which have other protagonists) are going inside mind of dale.

[covert wyvern]

I'm inclined to see the mind puzzle as a nod to the cube escape games

[bright parrot]

But why in Dale's game

[ebon aspen]

you could say dale visited the memories from other ppl so he could learn stuff about the lake and its inhabitants, but he surely wasnt at the mill or inside harvey's box
and yeah, for me its more like what damy said

[bright parrot]

It could be incorporated in any other game

[covert wyvern]

However there's a very easy explanation; Dale probably knows the layout of the lake so he probably knows a mill exists, at least.

[bright parrot]

Atleast thats true

[ebon aspen]

bc theres arles there too and welp, dale wasnt alive and kicking by then

[bright parrot]

Yes exactly
These memories are being fed to him

Acc to me there will be a RL CUBE ESCAPE Chapel

[covert wyvern]

Exactly during a qna hosted last year they mentioned there's currently no plans to revisit the chapel

[bright parrot]

But there will be

Chapel is a plain canvas

With little to no plot

They can make anything and that's why they aren't

[ebon aspen]

actually it points to lots of things that couldve happen bf even the events of paradise

[bright parrot]

Like

[ebon aspen]

but using it in a game set in the present time would be useless, unless its just a little section in some final game

and since we have good chances to see the origins of the lake at some point, maybe we will have a peek in early chapels and stuff like that

[bright parrot]

That stuff is too big for chapel

[ebon aspen]

what stuff?

[bright parrot]

All that

History of lake

Fre games are generally 6 min long

[ebon aspen]

i really think the lake's past wont be thrown into a short game

[bright parrot]

Yes

[bright parrot]

@floral mauve
Sup stray
I came to a new theory today

We are playing as Dale and Dale is playing as all the other protagonists.
Like dale is Harvey in Harvey's box and RL Hotel
Dale is Van Gogh in RL Arels

Just ping me I will explain more of it

[azure bay]

Listen, the devs CONFIRMED that The Mill is about Crow. Dale is only watched from a side there.

The memory puzzle doesn't make sense this way because there are many places Dale never been to. The Mill isn't the only example, we also have The Cave, Harvey's Box and even Arles. Therefore, these aren't necessarily things Dale remembers but rather a huge reference to the CE series

[azure bay]

Because Paradox is the final CE game. The devs were planning only 10 of them

[bright parrot]

I came up with a new theory

We are Dale

And the games like mill and Harvey's box

Are with different protagonist but with mind of dale

Dale is seeing the memories of protagonists

[azure bay]

Why would he see all that?

When would he see all that?

[bright parrot]

When he is in RL mental and fishing faculty

[azure bay]

Don't call it that

Please

[bright parrot]

And this answers the question of him having these memories

[azure bay]

If he's not patient, he isn't in their faculty

[bright parrot]

He is kept captive

Prisoner

They will fill his brain with

Memories of lake

And make him new owl

[azure bay]

He won't be new Owl

He will be a new ruler

[bright parrot]

Time will decide that

[azure bay]

But he'll still be Dale

[azure bay]

We have his deva look

[bright parrot]

He will either be Owl or will bring end to it

[bright parrot]

What deva look

[azure bay]

Owl is Jacob's asura look

[bright parrot]

We saw his owl look in RL paradox secret ending

[bright parrot]

And what is deva look

[azure bay]

Dale won't be asura, he'll be deva and his deva look is deer

[bright parrot]

How do you know that

[azure bay]

We saw him in the forest.

"I know you've made your choice. Please embrace your corrupted soul"

We saw him in TWD

[bright parrot]

Ohh

Yeah

Corrupted deer soul

[azure bay]

Nope, that's Nicolas

[bright parrot]

Maybe there will be 2 endings

[bright parrot]

Then where is dale deer

[azure bay]

Paradox and TWD

[bright parrot]

One he becomes deva
Second he becomes asura

[bright parrot]

Screenshot plz

[azure bay]

Theatre tells he'll be deva

Because Owl plays Dale in the deva play

[bright parrot]

But in Paradox secret ending

[azure bay]

And because we see Dale's reflection in the deva "?" picture

[bright parrot]

It shows him wearing owl mask

[high talon]

Unrelated but i imagined Dale using modern slang and i find that funny

[azure bay]

Let me explain how I see that

[bright parrot]

Which slang

[high talon]

modern slang you know

[bright parrot]

Which

[azure bay]

"hey, man. Do you have a light?"

[bright parrot]

This shit go bussin
No cap

Sheesh

[azure bay]

So

The mask

[bright parrot]

Yeah

[azure bay]

It all starts in Paradise

[bright parrot]

Yes

Jakob becomes owl

[azure bay]

Not that

The scene

[bright parrot]

Then

[azure bay]

Let me speak please

[bright parrot]

Yes

[azure bay]

I'm talking about the secret scene of Paradise

You find the owl mask

You give it to Caroline

And you see Laura, Dale and a secret code

You get the same mask only after you enter this code in Paradox

And Dale sees Jacob and Caroline

Reviewing these 2 scenes separately is a big mistake

They are tightly connected

And only together they bring their true message

It's about the history repeating itself through different generations

Jacob sees his successors

Dale sees his predesessors

Both Dale and Jacob are considered the chosen ones

Both are led to their positions by someone who knows how the things work

Both perform the elixir ritual with a corrupted soul

[bright parrot]

Ohk then

Dale will bring balance

Like Neo in matrix

[azure bay]

What balance?

[bright parrot]

Destroying the lake

And giving every soul freedom

From the loop

[azure bay]

What loop?

[bright parrot]

Everyone who is part of lake

Be it laura

Jakob

Anyone

Everyone

Is stuck in loop of reincarnation
For the lake

Like eilanders they reincarnated

Same

[azure bay]

I don't get where you got the idea of anyone being connected to the lake

[bright parrot]

Then why is all the fuss about the lake

Like all memories must return to lake

And on Rusty Lake fandom
If you read about crow

His work is to return memories to lake

[azure bay]

The lake just wants memories

[bright parrot]

For whom

For what

[covert wyvern]

We don't know

[bright parrot]

Sup Damy

[azure bay]

All we know it just wants fresh memories.

[bright parrot]

What is fresh memory

[covert wyvern]

O you don't need to greet me I'm always watching

[bright parrot]

Is there something like New past

[azure bay]

I read it as a steady flow of memories

[covert wyvern]

I think this is a fair take^

[bright parrot]

Mr. Owl please come from real ID

[azure bay]

And Crow can't physically provide all the memories of the world

[bright parrot]

As there are some hindi words

[azure bay]

Neither Eilanders did that before him

[bright parrot]

I am thinking it may also be related to some hindu

Mythology

As in hindu mythology

Crows are mediators between

Alive and dead

[bright parrot]

So like they farming or smth

[azure bay]

RL were inspired by it but didn't copy-paste it in their universe.

Even if they considered that role of crows, it's just a reference, not Crow's ultimate position. He's Owl's man doing some dirty and crucial jobs for him.

Not even omnipotent

[bright parrot]

Just sayin there is possibility

[azure bay]

I consider it so small that irrelevant

[bright parrot]

Ok

Coming back

What about the memories

[azure bay]

"the lake needs memories and memories need the lake to be preserved"

Whatever that "preserved" means

[bright parrot]

And what happened to frank and leonard

[bright parrot]

Maybe lake is like a harddrive

[azure bay]

No idea. The ritual notes didn't speak of 2 more deaths

[bright parrot]

We don't know much

Plus they have revealed less plot

Like white door was much of a filler but had some info

[azure bay]

Actually we do know much. We have a ton of games already. Our knowledge just has holes of different sizes in different spheres

I think we know enough about Dale and his journey to make reliable predictions

We know much about Laura, Owl and Crow

[bright parrot]

All we know about dale is

He is detective

Had a traumatic past

We don't know where he is

How is he related to lake

[azure bay]

Wdym?

[bright parrot]

He is trapped in a white cube beneath the hotel
Acc ro me

Like the explored vanderbooms in roots

And eilanders in paradise

Maybe we will get a full fledged game

About vandermeers

[azure bay]

Here's the thing.

Vandermeers are irrelevant. Except for Dale. And we know his complete journey.

He left that big cube and I see no reason to consider his elevator journey fake (only the memories he revisits during it).

Owl saw a prophecy about it in Hotel. And Dale's destination is said hotel.

[bright parrot]

Then why is dave related to lake

We didn't knew anything abou laura before Roots

[azure bay]

I think nobody is related to the lake from the start. (Except for maybe the ladies of the lake but it's a different matter)

Owl was lucky enough to be born there

[high talon]

dont you mean unlucky?

[azure bay]

He's the true winner of Paradise after all

[azure bay]

And the sole thing enough to make Dale relevant for Owl is the prophecy of him taking that elevator ride

[high talon]

tbh if i were killed in a ritual sacrifice

i would consider myself unlucky

[bright parrot]

And then becoming an Owl

[azure bay]

@bright parrot do you get what I mean?

[bright parrot]

Yes
But every prophecy have something related to past

There ain't no random prophecy
Like
Bipity bobity boo
Dale the detective
I choose you

[azure bay]

//_-

Ok

We'll ignore a trope of self fulfilling prophecies

I'll give you THE REASON why Dale is the guy

[bright parrot]

Lets assume your theory is right

[bright parrot]

Sure

[azure bay]

A moment pls

[bright parrot]

No hurry mate

[azure bay]

Do you know what's the globe in Paradox?

[bright parrot]

Its a map of rusty lake

[azure bay]

No, there's no such continents in the reality and the geography is different in chapters

It's the lifepath

[bright parrot]

Lifepath or gamepath

[azure bay]

In ch1 it's about Laura starting at the Roots island

And event by event going to the hotel

In ch2 it's about Dale starting at Birthday island with the Rabbit Peak on it and making his own journey to the hotel

[bright parrot]

What is dark town

[azure bay]

I think it's New York

[bright parrot]

So Dale's journey is over as he reached the destination

[azure bay]

Almost

[bright parrot]

Almost

Why

And how it tells that why dale is chosen one

[azure bay]

That's just the beginning

[bright parrot]

Continue

[azure bay]

It's fair to expect a game where he finally reaches the hotel and gets enlightened

So

[bright parrot]

So where is he now

[azure bay]

He's reaching the hotel

Very likely Theatre was his last stop on this journey

So, why I spoke of the globe

Dale's journey started in Birthday

So I seek the reasons there

Now I'll speak of the elixir

[bright parrot]

Sure

[azure bay]

It's what makes people enlightened

I'll start with different forms of elixir

1st chronological encounter was Paradise

Caroline invented it and hid the formula in 10 of her memories

Hid from Nicolas and for Jacob

In the end, after Jacob was burnt to death Caroline cought his soul before it could be reborn and united her memories to create the elixir and perform the ritual

She died and Jacob was enlightened

That's how Mr. Owl was born

Then we have the alchemist bros

According to Paradox film, their elixir research is based on Caroline's works

Their initials are written above her formula

You know the drill about what happened next

To them and to their descendants

And finally we have Dale, Laura and the golden cube

The Cave says that Laura's memories still contain William's elixir formula

Just like Caroline's memories contained hers

This was also reflected in the book

Her memories bare the elixir insignia

So does the golden cube

The golden cube is the elixir created from William's memories about elixir

And it doesn't contradict Caroline

Because her elixir is meant to result into a cube too

So we have 3 elixirs

Caroline's conceptual memory elixir

William's liquid

And Owl's golden cube

Which also are likely the same elixir in different forms, considering every next creator using predesessor's knowledge

But here's the problem

The same elixir has different effects in different cases

[bright parrot]

Elixir gave rebirth to jakob

And did same to william

And aldous

The question arises why william didn't become a hybrid

[azure bay]

You need to sacrifice 1 person. It's consistent across all the cases

Caroline was sacrificed for Jacob

William was sacrificed for Aldous

James was sacrificed for the dog

Laura is to be sacrificed for Dale

[bright parrot]

Or vice versa

[azure bay]

Or vice versa if he choses the green vial ending

[bright parrot]

But

In RL hotel

There were hybrids

Who were reincarnation of eilanders

How did they reincarnate

[azure bay]

No elixir, they just sacrificed Jacob's life to the lake during a very special day

The devs may consider it a form of elixir but for now I struggle to fit it into the established pattern

Caroline, on the other hand, was working with Jacob already dead

[bright parrot]

It was her soul

[azure bay]

He also was a soul

[bright parrot]

Jakob was alive till he was burned

[azure bay]

And Caroline manipulated her memories after

So

Back to the point

Caroline's elixir made him Asura.
William's elixir made Aldous asura and did next to nothing the the dog.
And the cube is to make Dale a deva

Why is the effect so different?

And also why the heck Dale has his elevator journey unlike everyone else?

My answer is consciousness

The dog was an animal

No sapience and therefore no consciousness. So no enlightenment, only a prolonged life

Jacob and Aldous were humans

Sapient beings

With basic consciousness, so they actually get their samsara boost

And finally Dale

In Theatre Owl said he's reaching a higher state of consciousness

I think it's the reason for extra boost he's about to get

All the journey is the reason

In Birthday he faces his fears

In Theatre he learns samsara

[bright parrot]

The word samsara

Is made out of hindi word

Sansar

Which means the world

[azure bay]

This meaning is metaphorical

[bright parrot]

Purely metaphorical

Like the deva preta and asura

[azure bay]

Samsara is basically about the neverending cycle of rebirths in different forms. It's as natural as death itself

[bright parrot]

That too

Is a part of sansar

The concept of word samsara is as true or false as the word asura pret in game

[azure bay]

No reasons not to trust samsara, owl or devs

So

The conclusion

Birthday is Dale's starting point

It created the demons and fears he was to face one day

His potential

[bright parrot]

That was character building arc

And this is final arc

Dattebayo

[azure bay]

Also Dale was able to find the lake and fulfil his potential. That could also define him as the chosen one

[red yew]

Hold on hold on hold on hold on, so i just finished roots, is rose lauras mother?

[covert wyvern]

Ye

[red yew]

Thats so messed up!

[bright parrot]

Not the Mother mother

But the mother

[azure bay]

No idea what you mean here but I think she's pretty much biological mother

[bright parrot]

She does not fit the definition of mother.
But yeah she is somewhat her biological mother.

[azure bay]

I'm pretty sure she was impregnated Emma style while sitting in the clock

[covert wyvern]

Gotta agree with nowhere here

[bright parrot]

That's why I don't consider emma a mother either.

Coz their impregnation are sus.

Albert giving birth to rose is also a bit same only exception is that her birth is explainable

Damn these vanderboom birth and death are sus as hell

[covert wyvern]

we're dealing with what's basically the supernatural i don't have too many question marks about the birth ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Besides laura is a pivotal character in the franchise would you not call her a child bc of the events surrounding her birth?

[bright parrot]

Like devs be sittin and one of them goes like "Ever seen flower impregnating a woman"
Others-No
That guy -You will

[bright parrot]

She is a child but can't say with a childs brain
We never got a glimpse of her childhood

[covert wyvern]

Actually you could argue it's a homage to the demonic tree in the evil dead

[bright parrot]

Not a gamer

So can't say

[covert wyvern]

That argument is completely irrelevant when you consider the twin peaks inspiration lmao

[azure bay]

Normally you don't recall your past life

[bright parrot]

Normally I do 🙃

But they could have shown a little of laura

[azure bay]

They will

[bright parrot]

In Past within

[azure bay]

No

[bright parrot]

Then

[covert wyvern]

In the game after.

[bright parrot]

The past within may also be related to laura

As there is rose

So there can be laura

[azure bay]

You need to consider the time period

TPW takes place in 1926 when Albert died

[bright parrot]

This one's from the cave

[bright parrot]

There is stroller with rose

[azure bay]

That's a huge teaser implying some story

Behind the items

[bright parrot]

Zoom near rose see the stroller

[azure bay]

It's not related to TPW. They speak of another game coming this year

Like TPW comes out late

[bright parrot]

This year

[azure bay]

But there's a new train coming in time

[bright parrot]

Like in these last 2 months

Yeah saw that on community post

Thought that was TPW

[azure bay]

You can reread that more attentively

[bright parrot]

That train sentance

Yeah the game will be in train

[astral frost]

I would say Rose is more like an adoptive mother for Laura

[floral mauve]

so u believe Laura is dropped from the tree like a fruit?

[astral frost]

idk

since that scene is similar to Mr Owl's birth

idk what other people around could have seen during that moment

I'm sure Laura someway originated from William (CS)

[astral frost]

I like it unironically haha

Laura is a fruit coming from Vanderboom's tree

[floral mauve]

that part for sure

most ppl believe Rose got impregnated in the clock and gave birth during that time

perhaps the time got accelerated

the clock function

we dont know much

[astral frost]

yeah yeah, I wouldn't discuss much about that event, it's something strange/magic

such as Jakob's rebirth

[bright parrot]

Frank's birth not less stange

[astral frost]

yeah, but remember it's substantially a different birth

Frank was born in a "normal" way, while Laura and Jakob faced a rebirth (transformation to another Samsara stage)

[bright parrot]

"normal" ????

Impregnation from flower is normal

[astral frost]

no no hahaha

[bright parrot]

Sup stray
Long time no see

[astral frost]

it's more like "Frank was born, Laura and Jakob were reborn"

it's RL after all

[bright parrot]

Laura is not reborn

Its william who is reborn

[floral mauve]

I mean physically speaking, everyone is reborn from the soul

[astral frost]

correct

[bright parrot]

And jakob is reborn

In asura form

More like he

Transformed

[astral frost]

so you exist as a CS before your birth as a Human?

[bright parrot]

What about you

Do you

[astral frost]

I am a parrot

[covert wyvern]

thats not exactly how it works, though, is it

[floral mauve]

depends, I mean, the soul is constant, but physical form is different

[astral frost]

got it

[bright parrot]

What parrot part or something else

[floral mauve]

corrupted soul is also a physical form

its technically not a soul soul xd

[bright parrot]

Actually soul is not physical

Soul is like smoke

Neither solid

Nor liquid

[floral mauve]

in terms of six stages

I am sure Edd u get what I mean

[astral frost]

so we could say there is a pre-Samsara phase where you are a Soul

[floral mauve]

in the roommmmm

yea

[astral frost]

and then you are someway thrown into existence

and Samsara begins

[floral mauve]

correct

[floral mauve]

not really

we are always in samsara

samsara is constant existing of the soul

[bright parrot]

If you connect RL games to hindu mythology it makes a lot sense

[floral mauve]

when we switch stages, we go through the room

however

RL changed the concept or modified a bit between CS and human

[bright parrot]

Samsara sort of stage for all 6 forms to play

[floral mauve]

usually no previous memory left

but

they made some CS remain with past memories

so does some asuras

thats the debatable part

[astral frost]

got it

RL version of Pretas is strictly connected to the memories btw

[floral mauve]

indeed

the black cubes

[bright parrot]

Stray
What what fo you think is happening in Rusty lake
Coz I don't have a clue

[azure bay]

Everyone is someone's rebirth

[floral mauve]

I said it first 😤

U are Late Mr Hill

[azure bay]

👍

[bright parrot]

Who do you think frank is rebirth of

[covert wyvern]

It's probably irrelevant tbh

If a rebirth is worth showing they'd show us in game

[bright parrot]

It is irrelevant until it is relevant

[covert wyvern]

Yes but then we'll know

[bright parrot]

Agreed

Damy
What do you think is happening at Rusty lake

[covert wyvern]

Like if we get an Ice Age Rusty lake game and frank happene to be the reincarnated mammoth

Sure then it's cool

[covert wyvern]

That's a good question

[bright parrot]

Dale riding frank the mammoth

[covert wyvern]

I've got no idea.

[bright parrot]

Anything

Like even a fraction of what is happening

[covert wyvern]

What do you want me to say lmao? I've only played the games I don't think I've got any revolutionary theories

Except that I believe the games happen in different timelines

[bright parrot]

Just askin man chill

[covert wyvern]

And alternative endings imply branches in timelines

[bright parrot]

They are building suspense about lake

[covert wyvern]

Ie the in one ending of the lake Laura dies there and then, in another she lives and gets to finish seasons

[bright parrot]

Like in series

They get one strong ass villian

Only heard name

And boom

He enter is last season

[bright parrot]

We still don't know who or what killed laura in her room

The reason for which

Dale came

[covert wyvern]

Hes a detective, there was a dead body

[bright parrot]

Dale came to find the killer

[covert wyvern]

Yes lmao

[bright parrot]

And he is doing everything else