new-recruit-barracks

[uncut jasper]

Now if we're talking AM cartridges like .50 BMG or 12.7x108, you may have a case for pen and dismemberment

Of which neither are in the game or ever will be, probs

Considering there's no bullet pen in HLL for players

well... at all, really

[mystic stump]

Yeah..

[drowsy kettle]

player contact detection is a must tho. you know how in battlefield games you can slide past your teammates, in hll its awkward, you just stop and stand still when you run into each other, and get killed. it really detracts from the experience in my opinion

[prime quartz]

pro-tip: avoid being near teammates

better for your health

[uncut jasper]

Wait, we now have the PTRS-41, which uses an even bigger cartridge

And it still barely kills people

[mystic stump]

que John Cena "Are you sure about that?"

I mean, it seems like a OHK. It also sends bodies flying usually lol.

[uncut jasper]

The sights are so bad, I have better luck with any other weapon in the game ngl

I also hate it as an anti-tank weapon

I'm just gonna go satchel it

[prime quartz]

there arent kill assists so it sorta sucks

[mystic stump]

Oh, sure. But if you do hit it's bye bye to mister Fritz.

[prime quartz]

i was using it to harass tanks since you can hit them from any distance for damage

[uncut jasper]

True, it has that use

[prime quartz]

but as far as I can tell you don't get any xp for it

so you end up just wasting your time

better to use a satchel

[uncut jasper]

I'm monkey brain and need explosions and big boom, so I can't use the PTRS

[drowsy kettle]

ptrs 41 needs a buff

[uncut jasper]

Doesn't activate my almonds

[drowsy kettle]

4-5 shot maximum for killing tanks

[prime quartz]

THere isnt damage drop off so you can lay down like 300 meters away or what have you and just beam shots into the tank

and most of the time they won'tbe able to spot you

[drowsy kettle]

on time i needed to shoot a german tank like 30 times lol

[mystic stump]

... Was it a Tiger?

[drowsy kettle]

nope panzer ii

or panzer iii

[mystic stump]

OK, that's a bruh moment.

The Luchs, you mean?

[drowsy kettle]

yeah, and it was from the side

[mystic stump]

I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I know what a PTRS41 could do to a Luchs, but from a game balance perspective that's probably a little bit over the top.

[drowsy kettle]

its more reasonable for the ptrs 41 to take way more for a tiger, but come on, a light tank needing 30 shots?????

[mystic stump]

Well, besides that you should be attacking the rear mostly.

[prime quartz]

The PTRS couild do good damage to the Lynx

especiually to the side/rear

[uncut jasper]

Technically speaking, the PTRS can pen 40mm of armor at 100m. The Luchs topped out at 35 front/20 side

[prime quartz]

yea

the PTRS is essentially designed to fight tanks like the Lynx

[mystic stump]

Sure. I don't know these things though, so as I say I won't say what it could and couldn't do.

[prime quartz]

once you get up to the Panzer IV/Panter/Tiger it becomes less useful

although, iirc, it could still penetrate the IV and Panther from the side at times

you would want to be relatively close

like less than 100 meters

depending on where you hit you could be farther away

iirc above the road wheels

[mystic stump]

Really, when we get talking up a storm about what could be added to game, we could think of a thousand things.

Me personally? I would like Tank crews to be actually simulated, so that they could be knocked. I'd like Tank destruction to be more varied than just a single explosion; maybe we could see fires onboard that render the tank inoperable. I'd like a destructible environment, so that powerful explosions from HE shells and satchels could do realistic forms of damage. The list goes on. The problem being, this game isn't Warthunder or BF, its purpose and its design are incomparable to those games. Maybe some of these things would work for HLL, but if all were implemented, it would require a change in the core gameplay loop across the board. What seem like minimal changes would require massive work-arounds to existing systems.

I doubt the core gameplay of this game will ever change as drastically as these suggestions would require. The core of HLL is firmly in place and we'll receive content expansions, but probably no ground-up redesigns of how the game plays.

And that's fine, to be clear. It's a great game at its core.

[drowsy kettle]

they should add a tank only game mode

[prime quartz]

HLL is pretty decent but i wouldn't call it great

there are some core problems to the game that haven't been addressed and have been around for ages

[uncut jasper]

I play to get many kills as well as teamkills

[prime quartz]

^

only way to do it

[uncut jasper]

Teamkills are satisfying

[prime quartz]

If they'd rework the resource system into something useful, try to iterate on the capture mechanics and the spawn system it might get there

a big problem with the game is that the capture system is, like the gunplay, very binary

There is also a huge issue, imo, with the game relying on a subset of experienced players to essentially make it operate smoothly for everyone else

[uncut jasper]

None of the devs or community people outside of the mods come in here and give advice lmao

[mystic stump]

That's not their job?..

There's community ambassadors and such for a reason, as the devs are.. Developing lol.

[uncut jasper]

There's literally nothing in the game that teaches players how to play the game

[mystic stump]

There's an in-game manual that decently covers the basics.

What specifically do you think is missing?

[uncut jasper]

Who reads

I don't

Literally not reading rn

[mystic stump]

Then there's your problem lol

I suppose to you, if the devs provide a manual, it's not good enough. Then there's really no way to please these kinds of demands if you're unsatisfied by the solutions already provided.

[prime quartz]

it should be provided in-game

both directly and though tool-tips

and death screen/downscreen tips

the death/downed tips could be tied directly to the class you are playing or what killed you

[mystic stump]

Sure, downscreen tips would be a nice touch. But I don't see what more they could do. There's really no room for people to just whip out an in-game manual during the game. Not sure what tool-tips would be for, either.

[prime quartz]

you could have visual tips if you approach an object in the game

[prime quartz]

i mean I just showed you what ore they could do

one of which you literally just agreed with

there is also room for people to bring up a manual in-game

there is one nested in the game already just inaccessible whileplaying

put that on one of the menus

[drowsy kettle]

i like the, "learn as you play" philosophy. makes the game infinitely more fun

[mystic stump]

No, I didn't say there's nothing more they could do. I was just asking what you thought was missing. Again, we've had this conversation.

[prime quartz]

angain there is literally more they could do

[mystic stump]

Right...

[prime quartz]

Would adding death screen tips be beneficial?

[mystic stump]

I didn't say there wasn't.

[prime quartz]

you did

[mystic stump]

Where?

[prime quartz]

But I don't see what more they could do.

and again

you could put the current manual in a menu that is accessible while in a match

and then dynamically open it up to a page based on the current class being played

which would be a huge step up from the current one that requires you to be out of game

out of match

[steep swallow]

late 20s dudes looking for some buddys to squad with. we drinkin some beers just trying to have fun

[mystic stump]

#pc-looking-for-unit

[prime quartz]

first time you play SL it has text pop up on screen:

"Press 6 to equip watch" -> '"right click to bring up placement menu' -> "hold left click to place"

games have been doing this for decades

[drowsy kettle]

the game needs pc optimization. i have beefy 2018 gb 8 graphics card, and it get really hot on low settings even though the game isn't demanding

[uncut jasper]

🤔

[prime quartz]

a bit part of HLL problem insofar as training goes is that the game allows players to not be involved in its community systems very easily

but doesn't then provide a mechanic to teach players

whereas you have something like Squad where the game is designed in such a way for the community to be forced to step up

but even then they have a tutorial

[mystic stump]

Death-tips are fine, and others suggestions are fine. But I fundamentally disagree with your suggestion that the in-game manual should be accessible in the match. That's the wrong kind of design approach. People should try their best in a match, and carry out diagnostics, attempt to learn what went wrong, what can be done better, etc. afterwards.

Plus, from my recollection the game starts with the manual. It's purpose is just to impart the basics of the gameplay loop, roles, and so on. I don't see how it would be considerably helpful in the middle of the battle, especially when it's good time that could be used fighting and learning through experience.

[prime quartz]

you are thinking abnout it from too a high a level

[mystic stump]

A tutorial would be fine as well.

[prime quartz]

carry out diagnostics, attempt to learn what went wrong, what can be done better, etc. afterwards.

that isnt how the average player will learn

[drowsy kettle]

you know what would be sick, if hll had a infographic cinematic for loading screens like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjPgilt-T_Q ... it would give off some dark gritty vibes

[mystic stump]

Right. The average player only really needs the basics and fundamentals of the gameplay and will learn by experience. Death-tips and other minor things could help in that, but I don't see how the in-game manual (which is designed just to impart the basics) could help in that much.

What level of information to new players are we aiming for? I suppose that might be something worth asking. To me, the devs do a good job at the getting the bare minimum to the players. They could slightly improve this by doing minor changes like you've suggested. But I don't think it's appropriate for there to be a whole lot more than what there is. The process of learning by experience is (for myself, for many others) a part of the fun.

[prime quartz]

again though for the average player that isn't getting htem anywhere

at least given the absolutely atrocious play that regularly happens in HLL

[grizzled jetty]

We used to have a joke for stuff like that in red orchestra 2 communities

If you see someone look out a window and get shot, go see what shot them

[prime quartz]

just by virtue of being on this discord you are part of a vanishingly small subset of players

[bronze sundial]

I think more scripted style tutorials for each class.

Rifleman/AutoRifle- Basic combat, capture zones, how to dismantle garries.
Assault - Grenades,
Machine Gunner - responding to pings and fire control.
Medic - Healing and revives
Supply - map awareness and use, and commander ping response.
Mechanic - Building nodes and reinforcements (tied to supply)
Anti-Tank - Learning how to flank a tank and where to hit it.

Squad lead - Responding to command pings, learning Garry and OP radar interactions. Building Garries.

Commander - learning abilities, and responding to squad pings.

[mystic stump]

Plenty of new people play and enjoy the game. The core gameplay isn't that complicated; like you say, it's "baby's first MilSim".
I do agree that there could be more explanations about specialist classes, how to specifically use them, etc. A short tutorial could do this.

[mint quarry]

I’m a new player and have a very difficult time getting up to speed

[bronze sundial]

Well not many know that Medics reduce suppression effects, and that you get an exp boost if a medic revives you

[mint quarry]

Being colorblind really doesn’t help my situation lol

Find the map impossible to read

[mystic stump]

Ah, that is true. You could give some feedback about the lack of accessibility settings.

Don't worry, even I sometimes have difficulty ( a lot sometimes, actually) seeing my squad mates on the map.

[mint quarry]

Luckily there seems to be no shortage of patient folks happy to do a bit of handholding

[bronze sundial]

consistancy in maps is def needed... one map a brown line is a road, and on another its a river -.-

[mystic stump]

Blue on green doesn't work very well for spotting your squadmates, got to say.

It's especially difficult to spot squad tanks. So much so that I don't bother trying to look for where my squad tank is deployed loading into a new squad, I just have to ask.

[dawn widget]

+1 for loading screen hints. One of the most uncontroversial, low effort, and high reward features we could make. I don’t think anyone has ever got angry at this feature

[bronze sundial]

Death screen hints.

[dawn widget]

“Next time consider shooting the enemy before they shoot you?”

[bronze sundial]

"You have died in the same place 3 times, consider going around the long way."

[dawn widget]

I like it. Also the commander should be able to drop leaflets over an entire square with tips for 50 munitions. But the enemy can read them too.

“Dog squad you cannot capture this point. Turn tf around”

[drowsy kettle]

add an option to toggle holdbreath

[dawn widget]

it was a week ago

[native furnace]

This ability would be completely useless if people bothered to use their goddamn mics

[dawn widget]

I was pretty surprised myself, could have been a bug who knows

I started off firing on the turret and a few shots penetrated

then I fired on the tracks and the side and it went down

[native furnace]

nahh, I dunno about that man

that doesnt sound legit to me, the luchs is dog shit, especially with the cannon it has

[dawn widget]

idk what to tell you

[native furnace]

even in a recon vehicle Id expect the only penn shot you could make would be to the rear

[dawn widget]

try spawn camping til you succeed at it

it happened, again it could have been a bug

[native furnace]

Realistically, if you did manage that then the countless youtubers and big names would have mentioned it through testing

[dawn widget]

I was pretty shocked by it

[native furnace]

if its a bug then thats perfectly fair 😁 but I dont think its legit, or at least meant to be

[dawn widget]

I had a pretty hilarious thing happen with the luchs earlier

a luchs bounced an AP shell from an IS1

from the front

I encounter a lot of bugs maybe

[median ivy]

@bronze sundial the anti-suppression goes SL>Medic>Squad>Team

[native furnace]

yeah, too many , its almost too good to be true

[dawn widget]

yesterday a tank turret was completely black until I died and did turret later

[median ivy]

The more squad members you are near, the more anti suppression you gain

SL and Medic giving you the most

[dawn widget]

yeah I didnt think it was possible for the luchs to bounce an is1 AP shell

it happened

again that could be a bug too

[median ivy]

Anything can bounce given an extreme angle

[dawn widget]

I was about 100 meters away

[median ivy]

Even bazooka rounds

Angle not distance

[dawn widget]

it was downhill from me

still cant explain that t34 penetration though

in that instance the t34 was above me about 40 meters away

btw both of these events occurred at the windmills

[mystic stump]

I'm not saying I haven't encountered strange tank kills, but I believe they're mostly bugs and not intentional. As such they are not consistently replicatable.

For a personal example, I've one-shot a Tiger with a 76mm once.

[tidal yarrow]

Do Halftracks die from one AT round?

[dawn widget]

lmao

[dawn widget]

they're not finished and in the game yet but i'd have to guess that the answer is yes under correct conditions like a recon tank

recon tank can die from a single AT round but it might not also

[mystic stump]

I'd bet that halftracks might even be destroyed with HE like trucks.

[dawn widget]

they definitely wont be any more durable than recon tanks anyway

[drowsy kettle]

imma say something that gonna make yall's panties knot up...

German tanks are bad, and overrated

[unkempt storm]

I’m not wearing any 😉

[meager mango]

Do you think Tank Customization will ever come to this game? Would be cool to see a Tiger with the classic dark grey paint job

Or maybe cosmetics, like supplies and stuff along the tanks. Or brush for added cover, like leaves and netting

[meager mango]

I agree

[native furnace]

while theyre not bad persay, its no secret that the Shermans certainly have an advantage, at least when it comes to the 76

[sudden patio]

anyone wanna play US east

anyone wanna play US east

[uncut jasper]

anyone wanna play US east

[sudden patio]

anyone wanna play US east

[tall orchid]

anyone wanna play US east

[dawn widget]

Anyone wanna play Asia or US west

[subtle lance]

anyoneenn us est

[dim pulsar]

🎈

[cloud vine]

@lean orchid smells funny.

[meager mango]

This god damn in game voice chat bug needs to be fixed. I’m tired of not being able to talk in game

[tribal sable]

German tanks are better armored and better armed, tho their transmission sucks

[torn prairie]

Hopefully its sorted Monday!

[mystic stump]

Unfortunately this is a problem on VIVOX's end, not HLL.

Not much devs can do.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide crane]

HELLO ALL

[torn prairie]

Eeeevening @wide crane!

[dawn widget]

How has nobody eaten Vivox’s lunch yet

[meager mango]

Oh ok

Also also

What’s the map rotation chances of getting anything other than Saint Mére, Utah and Omaha?

I swear out of all my hours of playing HLL, 90% of it is on Saint

[remote pilot]

Yes they can go to Mumble

i think a Lada is more reliable then vivox at this point

[cloud vine]

Guys why are people actually so stupid

I just got done talking with someone who literally could not understand the concept of learning a map in a video game. (Not HLL)

Like they couldn't understand that with enough play time in a game, you eventually learn the map.

[remote pilot]

i am confused

[cloud vine]

ok so you remember when you started HLL?

[remote pilot]

yeah

[cloud vine]

You probably know more about HLL maps than your first day, right?

[remote pilot]

True

[cloud vine]

That.

They couldnt understand the concept that people learn maps.

[remote pilot]

i thought you were talking about reading grids and orientation lol. Wel, GGs i would say

[cloud vine]

actually i see ur in the eft discord so thats exactly the game in question

Someone could not understand that after enough play times, you just know where extractions are

Like if I play 1k hours on Customs and I can't tell you where dorms is, we got a problem

[remote pilot]

[cloud vine]

yeah so like idk

im finding a lot of people like that lately and i think its parents buying games for their elementary age kids

or something

maybe it's the water.

[remote pilot]

i honestly dont know what to say lol

imagine getting lost in factory KEKW

[cloud vine]

Imagine thinking that all EFT players need mapgenie up on their 2nd monitor just to extract from factory.

[uneven spruce]

https://appstickers-cdn.appadvice.com/1183311071/820041982/6e7b1670cb38379178436c48cf410da0-2.gif

@lean orchid

[remote pilot]

LUL so i assume you already noticed this same fashion in HLL i take it ?

[cloud vine]

Ohoh yeah

[mystic stump]

Yeah, but transfering VOIP services would take a lot longer than just a few days. What I mean is there's not much devs could do in the meantime until VIVOX gets their servers fully operational.

[fossil basin]

Hey what weather improvements are currently in PTE?

[native furnace]

Theyre looking to add night maps if thats at all related to your question

[torn prairie]

None as far as the PTE notes say @fossil basin but as @native furnace mentions Night Maps are coming in the future as part of the roadmap

[drowsy kettle]

LEGO Indiana jones the original adventures is the best lego game

[mystic stump]

Star Wars Lego games better.

[shell needle]

hey guys

[strange mountain]

Yo

[forest fiber]

Hey I need help for some reason my voip is not working any ideas?

[strange mountain]

A lot of people are having trouble with it

[forest fiber]

so who I blame for that?

[strange mountain]

Talk to Voip

The devs who made it

[solid vale]

Do upgraded engineer structures give more support points?

[forest fiber]

well is shit I can't hear my team at all

[still vault]

Vivox backend failure is occurring across various server providers, but can also be affected by connection stability.

[deft yacht]

do bombing runs now hurt tanks?

[normal pike]

If the bombs are a direct hit, yes.

Splash damage can hurt tracks only

[verbal sigil]

it used to be much more generous, wasn't uncommon to knock out two tanks in one bombing run for a period of time

[deft yacht]

when did it change?

used to be able to take the hit and not get killed?

[normal pike]

U8, from memory, tanks could take splash damage to the hull from bombing runs. Prior to that, they were invincible. U9 reverted the change, so only direct bombing/artillery would destroy a tank. It is very rare.

[native furnace]

Bombing runs generally dont do shit to tanks now, as far as I can recall I've been more or less directly in the line of fire several times and the tanks come out fine

I think that may be because the actual impact craters are less of a direct straight line, and more like a curving S?

also spaced*

[warm knot]

Prior to that, they were invincible.
not true, a direct hit was required which was pretty rare

[open saddle]

Yep

[short quest]

Has the M1 been nerfed? It doesn't feel as punchy as it used to be

[warm knot]

no

[forest fiber]

We don't even have a "Bridge too far" for our voip to don't work properly.

[drowsy kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pJ_A0_9XBE i agree

[drowsy kettle]

anyone want to play lego starwars with me? i can send my steam remote play url

[mystic stump]

so true bestie

[dark topaz]

How do I see loadouts that I haven't unlocked yet

[native furnace]

best thing u can do is hover over them in the loadout tab and guess what you get lmao

[dark topaz]

what the hell? that's so terrible.

it seems like just putting this info on the HLL website is a 15 minute fix 😐

[native furnace]

yeah, it wouldnt be impossible to actually implement a fix either, Id do it by changing the hover to be permenant until switched, then you further hover over each item in the loadout to read the name

or rework the barracks menu UI entirely because its shit and finicky

[dark topaz]

that would be great. just having it be a message that says "role not unlocked"

[mystic stump]

That'd work.

If you hover over an unlocked loadout, it shows you the icons. But I do note that it's a bit difficult to keep the hover tool-tip activated. So this would be a great fix.

[dark topaz]

that would be completely satisfying to me

[mystic stump]

Is there any active wiki? If so this stuff should be mentioned there, as well.

[native furnace]

ahh, I dont quite remember - Ive heard that the official wiki is a bit shit, or at least annoying to navigate for classes

[dark topaz]

it's not a good one, it uses the FANDOM architecture so it doesn't load on many devices and runs slowly and poorly anyway

[native furnace]

there are steam guides, one particularly for 'alternative class loadouts'

[dark topaz]

ok, that's very helpful. i'll check those out.
...but that should be published somewhere obvious. on the HLL website or in the game

[mystic stump]

If the official wiki was maintained well, that'd be nice.

Don't feel like that type of info should be on the website itself, that stuff belongs in a wikia.

[dark topaz]

yes, if the official wiki was maintained, i would be ok even if it used FANDOM. But it doesn't seem to be very good

so I'd rather have just a boring looking text page on a website than inaccurate info on a wiki

[mystic stump]

Yes, I can agree. As a tanker, the wiki is useless to me. I use other resources like the Tankopedia/Tank Bible. It wouldn't be difficult to include basic information about the armament and armor profile of each tank, for example.

[native furnace]

yep, in every case I think third party info has been much more useful for me learning shit

especially regarding tanking

[dark topaz]

I trust third-party info to be good, but it is not always easy to find and it is not up to date. If Team17 has so many staff members, surely they can have someone spend one week updating the wiki?

[native furnace]

ehh, i dunno - I dont know whats going on in their offices so I dont like to make any judgement there personally

[mystic stump]

I'd assume it's mostly community members behind the wikia.

Similar to how mostly trusted community members are behind this discord, for example.

[tall orchid]

the wiki was initially stitched together by players but the early access iterations became pretty cumbersome to manage

even now post launch you'd have to go back in every patch and change the core gameplay articles pretty dramatically

[empty heron]

guuys why none speaks how the rifle men of us is op at lvl 3

4 nades two smokes and 1 semi auto gun

[burnt thistle]

• team killing someone for taking "their" truck, despite there being a passenger seat available that they could have used: okay
• griefing said person for being a team killer: banned
  you love to see it. 100% worth it.

funniest thing is, we were comfortably winning too, 10 minutes left on the map, no chance they would take the middle point.

[mystic stump]

unrelated, but nice pfp.

[uncut flame]

It is known.

I'm a person who often rolls engineer in the supply truck. Riflemen are most often the people who haul in with hammers once I lay barricade templates.

It means I can dump crates at a point. Run around setting up the green templates for barricades or nodes. And folks just smash in and get em made while I go get more boxes from HQ in my truck.

Teamwork, dreamwork, etc.

Which is to say. Thank you to the hard working Riflemen.

[torpid yew]

Damn makes me wanna play as rifleman now 😂

[dawn widget]

Well, I just got this game, played a bunch of Arma, Squad, Post Scriptum in the past, and I have no idea what I'm doing. Nobody is talking in any of the squads in any of the servers I've tried joining, and I don't think I've even managed to see a single enemy so far. I just die

[glad pasture]

Watch this it may help you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaY27yiOPPA

[uncut flame]

That's a common early experience.

I would strongly encourage you to introduce yourself when you join a squad and wait a few secs for a response. Try one more time. Then leave the squad if they don't talk.

Squad shopping isn't a bad move.

[native furnace]

If uve got the hang of squad or hell even arma! then youll do just fine in HLL

[dawn widget]

Yeah, I've tried joining multiple squads and no one is talking

Thats my main issue

[native furnace]

are you playing on PC?

[dawn widget]

Yeah

[native furnace]

ah, well thats a matter of bad luck then

as goat says - best thing u can do is just keep looking till u find guys

the best chance of finding communicating squad mates is in tanking as it requires good comms, but even regular infantry ull find talkative people eventually

[dawn widget]

I'll learn how all the classes work and how the movement and shooting works just by playing, but, I feel like I should be actively communicating with people

And I haven't heard a single other persons voice yet

[native furnace]

yeah comms are the key to teamwork - which in turn leads to wins

how many matches have u played so far?

[uncut flame]

If you are prepared to learn by being a bit more in the deep end, I'd suggest forming your own squad infantry squad.

When you do this, you can choose to set it up as a locked squad and play Squad Lead/Officer by yourself. This will mean you'll hear the Command chat which will have talkers. People who play Commander/Officer are there because they opt-in to talk.

[dawn widget]

3, but, nobody was talking and I had no idea what was happening so I just left for a different server

Also, its weirdly unoptimized

The game that is

Even on low settings the game keeps randomly hanging

[native furnace]

This is absolutely true, but id advise against playing Squad lead or command until uve got the hang of the game

[native furnace]

yeah I know what u mean, I play on relatively low end specs and its only just managable, Optimization is a pretty big drawback for HLL

[dawn widget]

I have some reasonably high end specs

[uncut flame]

Solo squad lead is basically an assault build that can set their own outposts, though. You can just tag along anywhere and you get to hear the other leaders call out locations and plays.

[dawn widget]

I can run games like Squad on high 1440p

But I can't even get 60 frames at low 1080p here

[native furnace]

yeahh I think that may be because Squad is quite a bit older than HLL

and has had far longer to optimize itself

[dawn widget]

Yeah, I guess its just unoptimized some still

I exceed the recommended specs

Yeah, I turned the graphics and resolution down even more, still getting around 40 fps

I guess I'll just turn them back up for now

[native furnace]

I play on 20-30 fps on pc 🥲 guess ull just have to take it how it goes

[still vault]

By how much, and what resolution is being played on?

[icy dust]

no shots fired, 110 kills

I was lucky enough to join a squad with a very experience artillery officer. All I had to do was press R when he fired and I got free kills. I just put on JCS Criminal Psychology and learned about Casey Anthony while leveling up.

[solid vale]

@icy dust thats what I do as engineer. I set my phone on my mouse and watch a show while I hammer away since upgrades take like 2 minutes lol

[shell needle]

hey guys

I am new to this server

and I really love the community that Hell let lose has

but where can I post some of my artwork/animations?

[sleek inlet]

#hll-artwork

[shell needle]

thx man!

[gusty salmon]

do i need to download the public testing game to?

[warm knot]

I wouldn't unless you plan on participating in an announced PTE

[tepid mist]

question, does the gewehr do the same dmg as kar 98? I noticed i didn't 1 tap someone with it, just got it for my riflemen

i 1tapped everyone else but a single person

[warm knot]

I believe so

you might have hit their arm

[tepid mist]

possible but i feel the kar98 1taps every place

ive never had someone survive my kar shots

[next oasis]

K98, Garand, G43, SVT, Mosins, all are one-hit downs up to 200m, so long as you are hitting the target anywhere above the knees

[tepid mist]

i think ive 1tapped someone in the foot with a kar before but idk i cud be insane

[native furnace]

also could have been low health

[tepid mist]

do the kar 98k/g43 have the same range / bullet drop / bullet effectiveness

the recoil seems fine for it tbh

[warm knot]

basically, yes

[marble charm]

Will you add more to the axis?-

Genuinely curious

As well as the US- They still used Bolt action bc the garands were limited lol-

[native furnace]

limited in what way?

I thought the garand was standard arms for every US soldier?

afaik Germany was the only major country going into WWII still using a bolt action rifle as a standard service weapon

[marble charm]

Hmm..

[warm knot]

not true

the US was the only one with a standard semi auto rifle before WW2

[marble charm]

Wut-

[tepid mist]

The lee enfield would like to say hello

[marble charm]

The bolt action Springfields were still passed to people, especially during early war

[native furnace]

ah, hold up I just googled the damn thing and found something stating that ALL major factions of the war entered it with a bolt action as standard

[marble charm]

h m

[warm knot]

garand was standardized and started production in 1936

[native furnace]

and fielded a year later apparently

[warm knot]

the army was pretty much fully equipped with the garand by the time they saw combat

the marines got equipped with the garand in decent numbers starting around 1943 or so

[marble charm]

I’d still say that the one of the base rifles should be an M1908 and the garand unlocked later, but that’s just me-

Me loving Bolt Actions

[alpine bough]

If anything they need to make bolt actions faster across the board.

[dim pulsar]

[tall orchid]

scoped SVT is def not a OHK at 200m

[next oasis]

Scoped weapons always seemed to work slightly different. Tbh I've never formally tested the scoped variants

[fallen orchid]

Playing for the first time (PC) UK player, looking for someone to show me the ropes if possible

[glad pasture]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaY27yiOPPA

[prime quartz]

the soviet snipers seem to do less damage than German/yankee

[mystic stump]

Yeah, that's a problem with them. Not sure if it's intentional or not, but their damage drop-off is considerable at further ranges.

[prime quartz]

it seems to be given that it doesnt make a ton of sense that they operate differently

[tall orchid]

i can understand the scoped SVT doing a bit less damage given its rate of fire

[prime quartz]

yea there isnt a comparison gun

but the 91/30 definitely does less

[modern rampart]

I will say it again: The.Mosins.are.bugged.

especially noticable on the scoped 91/30

[severe tusk]

I haven't played sniper in awhile does the reticule still stay up after leaving scope for a second or two?

Or pop up before the scope is actually to your "face"

[tall orchid]

yes to both. since the reticle is just a crosshair overlay on your screen that pops up when you ADS, scope movement and reticle movement are kinda disconnected

it bothered me at first but i've grown used to it

[noble citrus]

I think they are planning to change that

Hope they are atleast

[tall orchid]

gotta find a workaround for the scope jitter bug first i imagine

[gloomy grove]

That was the workaround. The scope now wobbles instead of the crosshair

Big improvement

Plus I think scope sway is now actually a factor. Used to be middle of the screen regardless of scope sway and now the scope sway moves the middle of the screen

[upper hound]

How do I change my uniform mid match? It feels weird to have a summer uniform on a winter map and vise versa.

[native furnace]

in the change role menu, at the top right will say Loadout/Appearance

its default showing loadout selection but u can change to appearance

[upper hound]

Thank you

[gusty salmon]

anyone be down to play and showing me the ropes?

[crisp lotus]

<@&365680483276816385> Hi, why I was striped of of my Veterans badge and kicked from channel? 🤔

also Why I cant see #supporters_mess_hall?

[delicate juniper]

Delirium? What the heck are you doing down there? 😮

[gloomy grove]

Banished to the shadow realm

[crisp lotus]

Dunno, got no info about kicking/banning

[delicate juniper]

Well, usually one doesn't get one I believe xD .

what did you do, confess maybe they will give you just a discord life sentence

[crisp lotus]

dunno some nut picking with some random here

probably reported his hurted feelings

[delicate juniper]

I see the last of your messages to be 6th of November "ALLOW FOR F*CK SAKE RESUPLY FROM ONE CREATE MORE THAN ONE TIME. 🤦‍♂️"

Not a capital offense though.

[crisp lotus]

no it was something else what I wrote last

[delicate juniper]

probably deleted then

[gloomy grove]

If you ask nicely they might let you back in

Wouldn't recommend it though

[crisp lotus]

No role/unban for me I will ferwell here for good

[delicate juniper]

How can a veteran backer get stripped of his rank?

consider I never asked xD

[crisp lotus]

😄 Thanks my silent saviour.

[delicate juniper]

thank you also

[gloomy grove]

Still a conscript though

[delicate juniper]

a conscripted veteran 😃

[gloomy grove]

Solved

My question is though... Delirium, do you have access to the 'other' mess hall still?

[prime quartz]

he doesn't have conscript role anymore

os he ought to

[delicate juniper]

he even got PC role... I don't have that one even today... was waiting if there will be a system for getting it but it seems I will have to ask for it.

[gloomy grove]

Yeah... I don't have it either yet I do see it 😅 No one else faces this problem with my set of roles

I don't have access to the rules either. I want to know why my account broke

[delicate juniper]

an error in the matrix

[gloomy grove]

The special account

Selling: One discord account with access to both mess halls

[drowsy kettle]

super edgy meme incoming, might get kicked lol

[marble charm]

Wut

[drowsy kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_LVmqQ7hfY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1jRGXPmEzI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqu68z4efaw

[quaint walrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/903296088679792741/907686524420751380/unknown.png

Shit

[clear horizon]

hey Guys so ive had this game for a while when it was early and it worked but the past few trys to join a game, It keep Telling me its disconnected from host. The game has worked before, but no mater what Quality level i put it at, it times me out.

Am i missing something that i need to put in Advanced setting on steam?

[atomic dawn]

console or pc?

do you instantly get kicked when you join a game, or does this happen mid game?

[unkempt storm]

Yeah, we really have NO idea why your account broke 👀 👀

[unkempt storm]

Shame on you to disgrace RO2 like that, hallowed be thy name 🙏

Back in ‘11 we’d have you thrown in jail

[clear horizon]

PC

[clear horizon]

It happens when i try to join any server

[atomic dawn]

check your firewall settings and make sure they are not interfering

[patent condor]

does hell let loose work in win11?

[dawn widget]

Yup, working great for me

As support, where do you drop the supply box exactly? Can you just drop it in a random field and the commander or SL get use out of it, or?

[atomic dawn]

supplies have a 50 metre radius. Engineers can use the supplies to build defences or nodes. AT players can use the supplies to build the AT cannon. And SL can use them to build garrisons.

Generally its good to drop them around the point you are defending, or 200m away from an existing garrison for another one

[dawn widget]

50 meter radius of what exactly?

[atomic dawn]

keep in mind, you can only have 1 supply crate active on the field. Placing another will remove the existing one. So its good to try to drop the box somewhere where they will be used before your next crate is ready

[dawn widget]

Also I just realized almost no one plays support, let alone engineer. So if I go support and there's no engineer, is there much point?

[atomic dawn]

a 50m radius around the box you drop

[dawn widget]

Oh, 50m to the SL? So the SL has to be within 50m to use the supplies to be able to build a garisson, got it

[atomic dawn]

if the SL is within 50m of the supplies, he can place a garrison. Same for the engineer and AT when building

[clear horizon]

checked Firewall and it says its letting HLL By Pass it, cause of the Anti cheat

[ebon quest]

i miss ro2 😔

[distant glen]

How do you get DLC content?

[slim fractal]

By purchasing.

[distant glen]

ah.. Is it on Steam? cant find it

[slim fractal]

Just go to HLL store page, those are linked there that are available.

[subtle abyss]

Is there still hitmarker sounds for non-headshot impacts?, and if so can they be disabled in the audio settings yet?.

[next oasis]

Up to 100m, and no.

[meager fable]

quick question, will the summer warfare pack ever be available again, i got the game took a break, came back and missed it 😦

[dawn widget]

Yeah it's a squishier sound than the tink of the helmet shot. Just curious why you'd want to disable it?

This game is so complex and deep, my poor mind feels it's about to blow up. Hard to absorb all the possibilities and roles and situations wow

can't wait till I get a microphone at the end of the week. I really want to play recon and tanks and some other classes but haven't due to the real need for mic comms on those classes

[dawn widget]

See the DLC here?

[native furnace]

limited time seasonal only, you'll be waiting a fair while I think but it should come back

[meager fable]

i hope so i really want the m1943's, i re-enact 82nd 505th myself and need to get myself a set in real life too 😄

[dawn widget]

what does PTENDA mean?

[atomic dawn]

next summer

[subtle abyss]

Idk I just like a more hardcore/realistic experience. I don't mind the helmet pings, I'm just not a big fan of the hitmarker sound for every impact. At least there is not COD style visual indicators I guess, lol.

[atomic dawn]

just turn up the volume and you will be deaf in no time, you wont hear them anymore

[dawn widget]

this game is what ive always wanted battlefield to be

but better

[wide valley]

This is for all you new players out there

[dawn widget]

i like that

especially rule

1

i see people try to take on the entire enemy line too often

[alpine bough]

that is gold

if the extremely arrogant ones knew rule 1

combat would be so much different in all kinds of games

[dawn widget]

true

too many people try to be the hero

whats the point when teamwork works better

[alpine bough]

I despise the kind of people that think they are just better than literally everyone

souly because they have a high KD which inevitably doesn't even matter

sure you can go 100 - 9 but if you loose the game

[dawn widget]

tactics matter

[alpine bough]

all those kills dont mean anything

[dawn widget]

KD doesnt

if you get 100 kills in one spot the rest has still been taken

so if good at combat use that to help

dont just try to single handedly win the game you know?

too many do

[marble charm]

Rule 4 specifically-

[native furnace]

arty players will be shocked

[alpine bough]

im just gonna say

you got me

lol

[slim fractal]

Achievement Kudos to BM.

[hushed chasm]

how come there isnt an LFG chat and voice channels in here like other fps game discords? i just want to find a team that has mics and this discord is lacking unlike other discords.

[slim fractal]

What are #pc-looking-for-unit & #console-looking-for-unit for? And probably there are no voice channels because the game should rely on in-game comms

🇱 🇫 🇬

[tawny swan]

How can you destroy enemy garrisons? I know you can dismantle them but how else?

Do grenades and bazookas work?

[dim pulsar]

Bombing run / katyshu strike or dismantle

@tawny swan

[native furnace]

satchels, shells and rockets

grenades I dont think so - at least one certainly wont

[dawn widget]

"Garrisons can be destroyed by explosives. Landing a grenade, rocket, artillery shell, or bombing run near a known garrison location can be an effective means of taking it out, even if you can’t safely get close to it. Squad outposts cannot be destroyed in this way; they need to have infantry take them out by walking close."

from some random guide I'm reading right now

[normal pike]

grenades no, they used to, not any more.

[atomic dawn]

Artillery doesnt destroy the garrison either

[chrome trellis]

yo

[gloomy grove]

Grenades do destroy airheads though

Go figure

[bronze sundial]

Grenades do take out Outposts now.

And rockets on Garrisons is kinda hit or miss from my experience

[gloomy grove]

No one said grenades don't take out OPs.

Rockets need to be a direct hit basically

[ember whale]

How do I get the hang of this game

[warm knot]

practice

[ember whale]

I played one game and we got our asses handed to us and I literally had like 0 clue what to do

I didn’t kill one person😂

Ik that doesn’t matter but shows how useless I was

[native furnace]

kills dont matter, if ur ass is on the objective then you're the MVP of the game in my eyes

but fr if ur lookin for some help on how to get started and figure things out then the best help there is can be found on the steam guides forum, and a certain youtuber

[ember whale]

Well we were trying but our team decided to ditch two tanks in a river

[native furnace]

ah yeah 😅 were u playing purple heart lane then?

[ember whale]

Yes

[native furnace]

yeah that one can be a real pain in the ass with the water

https://youtu.be/LaY27yiOPPA

hm, embeds hidden

this is Monospacial's ultimate new players guide to everything HLL

[ember whale]

Appreciate it🤝

[native furnace]

no worries

[prime quartz]

kills do matter

just fyi

Enemy cannot cap if they are dead

[mystic stump]

Preservation of your own forces and destruction of the enemies is the name of the game. That requires both holding OBJs and killing the enemy as they attempt to take it.

Obviously, if someone is just killing random enemies all around the map and not once positioning themselves to either attack or defend an OBJ, they are not doing much that is useful for their team.

The sole exception is recon, whose job is primarily to inform their team of enemy movement, positions, etc. and overall be a nuisance to the enemy's backline and flanks.

[prime quartz]

one of the key things to remember is that msot of the time most players will be at the objective

or nearby

so to get large kill counts you need to be at/near the objective

this isn't always true but is accurate from a generalization pov

[mystic stump]

Yup. The two are linked most of the time.

That being said, I've been on some teams where no one actually plays OBJ and just positions themselves around the strongpoint.

[hasty tinsel]

To get massive kills, you only have to be near a spawn point

It's a good thing destroying garrisons is so heavily incentivized

[native furnace]

this should also work quite effectively, area denial will work far better than trying to hold out just in the strong point

[north patio]

Hello everyone

How can I join

I’m currently level 19. Pretty decent shot. But I hate playing alone

[mystic stump]

I mean they're just all spread out not coordinating. No one's denying any area, they're just spawning in at the same place, moving 25m, hunkering down, and then dying.

[drowsy kettle]

hey, question to devs.... are you guys going to do the pacific theater at some point??? The frog skin got me curious

[glad pasture]

2 Unannounced Western Front Maps currently in development
British forces - including 2 Operation Market Garden Maps
Canadian forces - including 2 Falaise Pocket Maps
Japanese forces - including 2 Pacific Theatre Maps
Several NEW maps will be added to each of the above theatres and are in development now.

[drowsy kettle]

HELL YEAH

So is this a first statement? or is that old news??

[tall orchid]

old news

[slim fractal]

Like ancient old.

[drowsy kettle]

oh.

poop

Chinese faction?

[tall orchid]

though fwiw, i've never read anything from the devs about the canadians or japanese

just jaguar's copypasta

what i consider as confirmed upcoming content is the most recent roadmap

[native furnace]

I just noticed we're getting another sherman some time in the future lmao

any ideas what one it will be?

hopefully a flame version or something otherwise entirely unique

[drowsy kettle]

add flamethrower class please

[tall orchid]

yeah dunno. i'd assume they want each faction to have the same number of tanks available per size

with the panther swap to heavy, us and germany will both have 2 heavy tanks, 1 medium, 1 light, 1 recon

curious what they'll do with the m4 that makes it different from the current m4a1

soviets need another heavy and a light to balance it out

[stark leaf]

maybe utilizing a different version? a swap maybe?

[tall orchid]

possibly. the flakpanzer is on the roadmap too, so maybe it'll be an m4 with some sort of AA weaponry

idk if that was even a thing

[stark leaf]

Not that i ever heard of

[tall orchid]

it'd be amusing if it was a calliope

[stark leaf]

That's what I was thinking lmao

[tall orchid]

they could leverage the katyusha tech and make it work

[stark leaf]

Exactly

If those two drop at the same time then we'll know

I'd love to have a calliope that shit would be dope

[tall orchid]

and im sure eventually we'll get a churchill crocodile

[stark leaf]

Definitely, probably with the fire update

Wonder how they'll balance flame troops

[native furnace]

I saw a video the other day of some sort of rocket (maybe ground to ground) system attatched to the top of a sherman. I believe used in a similar manner to the Soveit Katuysha

certainly there should be plenty of interesting options to choose from if they want something wholly different

[tall orchid]

yeah, it'd be a neat addition

[stark leaf]

It'd def be more geared towards area denial

More vs-infantry than vs tank

[native furnace]

but then that leaves the notion that all other factions need their own 'unique' vehicle

[drowsy kettle]

devs, you should add dynamic gore, like -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHbnP5SAMzI

[torn prairie]

Regular M4 and a Sherman Firefly is my bet

Regular M4 could even be a russian tank (lend-lease)

[autumn rose]

M4A3

Standard Medium like 1943-early 1944

[autumn rose]

Firefly comes with the british faction

I think the portfolio for brits tank wise is the Sherman Firefly for the Medium, Churchill Mk7 for the heavy(I think), either a diamler or a staghound for recon, and idk for the light

If I remember right the British are getting added with Market garden theme, so mid 1944

Probably an Arnhem and Grave map

[dawn widget]

the copypasta reads very like the Kickstarter:

USD $500,000 - British forces - including 2 Operation Market Garden Maps
USD $600,000 - Canadian forces - including 2 Falaise Pocket Maps
USD $700,000 - Japanese forces - including 2 Pacific Theater Maps

[autumn rose]

its just post kickstarter comments

not confirmed mostly just dev and Q&A chatter

but most likely scenario for brits

I hope we get more Eastern maps before tho

Berlin, Kiev and Leningrad would be enough

Battle of cologne would be my HLL wet dream

crossing the river in a Pershing and cutting through bombed out city blocks making your way to the point sized cathedral and panthers guarding it while bombers fly overhead in the distant sky

[native furnace]

lmao, its already a pain in the ass to cross the rivers of PHL, just think how itd be in Cologne if they didnt change the swimming mechanics 😁

but you're right, some maps centred around the Rhineland would be great

[autumn rose]

you dont know what I mean for cologne do you

I'm talking like

the river

the big river

[native furnace]

ah...yeah fair bit bigger 😅

[autumn rose]

2 main huge bridges separating the major river and the destroyed city

[native furnace]

bridge warfare?

[autumn rose]

and the cathedral implemented as its full

Yes

maybe make areas to cross on foot seperate like a pontoon bridge or destroyed 3rd bridge

but make bottlenecks supplement the huge city sprawl with the cathedral near the center

like stalingrad but

Cologne

[mystic stump]

Yes, there is an incoming bridge map. Probably one in the Market Garden set of maps.

[prime quartz]

i think its Remagen

[alpine bough]

that would be cool

I forget the movie name, but theres one out there about the mad dash for the bridge

older one at that

[dreamy spruce]

I have a question about this community. I am new to it so I thought I’d ask. Is this community/server all about serious games, or more funny moments type of games?
Just wanted to check because I’m not too great at the game😂

[alpine bough]

kinda just for everything really

need a squad? theres a place for that, need tips? you can count on that

[prime quartz]

The Bridge at Remagen

[uncut jasper]

Bro, we’re literally playing HUDless Battlefield, we’re about memes

You want to know the funniest meme of all in this Discord? gunplay

[dreamy spruce]

Bro that’s great! ‘Cause I was playing with these guys that knew everything about the game😂

[dawn widget]

I think it's a more serious community. It's not hudless battlefield - if you play it as a run and gun you won't have a good time, you will quit the game within 30 minutes

[native furnace]

yeah man, HLL holds itself to a degree of seriousness but...at the same time we're not a bunch of weekend warriors playing soldier with sticks up our asses

[dreamy spruce]

Ah

[dawn widget]

it's a deep game that requires thinking and tactics, but you don't need to worry if you're good or not in terms of being ashamed, as there's no kill/death leaderboard or kill feed. your allies won't really know if you're dying all the time or not

so as long as you don't get frustrated at yourself if you are dying a lot, it's all ok

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah I was having a ton of fun and it felt like I was actually there on the field...

But it’s difficult to know what certain things mean.

[dawn widget]

try asking via voicechat in game if you have questions or aren't sure about something

if you're really interested, the best way would be to watch and read guides. it is a much deeper and complex game than your typical shooter

it has a lot of mechanics and different classes and stuff

[dreamy spruce]

Oh yeah I can see that for sure😂

Is there a way to set up custom games for people that don’t really know what they’re doing?😂

Like a private match?

[dawn widget]

not really. You just learn as you go. There is the "field manual" in the main menu, that explains things. I do think this game needs a playable tutorial with voiceovers and stuff

[dreamy spruce]

Yes I did notice that.

[dawn widget]

If you want to mess around and try things out, you could join an empty server by yourself

[dreamy spruce]

Ok cool.

[warm knot]

hudless hardcore battlefield without the AAA polish

[dawn widget]

to me battlefield = toxic 13 year olds who don't know what teamwork means or how to play their class aside from for selfish reasons (heal themselves only, resupply themselves only), that blindly run around looking for someone to kill, and cuss at each other over chat all match long every match and only care about k/d ratios 😂

[next oasis]

I see more deliberate teamwork in one match of BFV than I do in several games worth of HLL

[uncut jasper]

Anyone denying how casual this game is, I feel bad

[dawn widget]

what separates this as a casual fps vs a more serious/hardcore fps Yuri?

[dreamy spruce]

It can be casual if you want it to be from my standpoint 😂

Can’t really debate a game being optionally casual.

[dawn widget]

this game is built to be hardcore

you can play it casually just like you can play any shooter casually

but the fundamentals are those of a hardcore shooter

[next oasis]

i think the word people are meaning to say is "grounded [in reality]" rather than "hardcore".
HLL isn't a hardcore shooter. In most ways, it's less 'hardcore' than most other shooter games

[dawn widget]

can you elaborate?

how have you experienced more team work in BF5 for example? What makes BF5 or CSGO or most shooters more 'hardcore'? Maybe some examples of how they require more planning and thought and communication than HLL?

[next oasis]

well, you tell me. In what ways do you think HLL is a more 'hardcore' shooter

[dawn widget]

as I mentioned already, it requires a lot more communication between members, planning, strategy, flexibility, knowledge of different classes and how each works, timing, map reading, deeper tactics, etc

Most other shooters are a linear affair that most players don't even manage/bother to do the minimal amount of teamwork those games do incorporate

you can pick up BF5 and learn how to play it in minutes. HLL requires hours and days to understand past the basics of what point to rush

[dreamy spruce]

I have made my bed and I must sleep in it...

[dawn widget]

I suppose those are my points and what I picked up that make HLL more 'hardcore' and serious and require more dedication to master and comprehend than most shooters. What points did you have ie " In most ways, it's less 'hardcore' than most other shooter games"?

what makes most other shooter games more hardcore to you?

and in what ways did you notice more teamwork in BF5 than HLL?

[autumn rose]

I dont think I've seen any actual teamwork in battlefield at all since bf1

Idk what people are smoking but BFV did not have a normal teamwork environment

Battlefield does not require almost any teamwork, you could play battlefield 4 for 300 hours with no mic and headset and did just fine.

HLL requires at its core some teamwork which is non typical to other games like bf its compared to

[native furnace]

thats certainly true, but its not the hallmark to a 'hardcore/realistic' shooter

By that description it should be a teamshooter to the likes of CSGO, R6 etc etc

although that doesnt seem right either

[next oasis]

The extent of 'teamwork' that HLL requires is having one more body on an objective zone than the enemy team.
BF(V) is much more effective in designing its 'shooter' (as in FPS game) elements to be inherently teamwork oriented

[mystic stump]

There's much more to the tactical teamplay in this game than a run-and-gun like BF can achieve, simple as. They're two different experiences, to be clear. I'm not tearing one down, I don't mind BF. It's simply that it's not a primarily team-oriented game, and this is.

[native furnace]

I would specify there, BF is team oriented, but not reliant on communication, at least in my eyes. Everyone pretty much has a general sense of cohesion and can work together to achieve xyz without needing comms.

As opposed to HLL which is both team oriented, similarily to BF in that x body goes to y point = win, but requires a little more effective communcation to actually achieve more

If you're doing your own thing in HLL then ur not doing much use, but it just so happens that 'your own thing' usually coincides with the greater team objective anyway*. As is the case for BF series as far as I can tell

[next oasis]

In HLL, the objective capping gameplay (which is how you win/lose games) is based entirely on your teams spawn position.
Combined with the fact that objective zones are only contested via simple 'majority rules' logic , meaning that you only need one more "body" on an objective than the other team in order to have capping power.

Everything else other than what I stated above is just fluff in HLL. It's this façade of having several rather irrelevant aspects to it in order to lead to "just have one more body than them on the cap".

People often misconstrue the level of "tactics" of games simply by observing the general gameplay pace of the game. This is a very limited way of looking at it

[native furnace]

well the fluff ur referring to is mainly just the player spawn/garrison mechanics, which is supposedly the main driving uniqueness/signifigance of HLL anyway.
Its certainly a simple mechanic in practice, but that doesnt mean its pointless fluff

how would you define what constitutes as tactics then? I mean, ideally what would you consider to be a realistic team oriented shooter etc etc

[mystic stump]

This is how objective capping works in every game that has objective modes. Any game that has objectives requires a sense of cohesion, of course. This isn't what I'm talking about with 'tactical teamplay'.

The point is that there's far more behind a successful team in HLL than in BF. You have resources and nodes for resources, you have correctly and competently placed spawn points, you have to ensure denial of enemy spawn-points, and so on.. In any of the BF series, one good squad can carry the game by pure combat capability, because BF mostly focuses on individual plays. This simply isn't a possibility in HLL, you need a functioning team to win a match. Individual action can't win the day.

[next oasis]

HLL match outcomes are determined by a few players, not the "team"

[native furnace]

probably should note that as of U10 nodes are brainless now

[mystic stump]

Do I have to pull out the Bugs Bunny no picture again?

[dawn widget]

wdym? I'm not in the loop

[next oasis]

You just don't know then. That's ok.

[native furnace]

plop them in the starting HQ squares and you're good to go for the rest of the match

no need to place them in further sectors or any of that

and even the reworked fuel mechanics that are coming shouldnt impact nodes much afaik

[dawn widget]

They don't get more resources the farther away they are?

[native furnace]

nah dont think so, or maybe they do but its redundant - I dont remember the specific

[mystic stump]

Right... I've never seen a team get 'carried' by individual action in HLL since I've started playing. The only way I could conceive of that is if an artillery squad prevents any amount of map control for the enemy. But besides that, individual action cannot win a HLL match.

[next oasis]

The actions of a few, not the team.
HLL is all and only about spawn locations. Those locations are always determined by a few. The results that occur after that is just a trickledown effect

[dawn widget]

I am to poor for this game

I wish someone could just buy me the game :(

[thin linden]

Can’t afford it?

[dawn widget]

Yeh

[thin linden]

Very sad

[dawn widget]

Been begging my parents

For 3 months

I got nothing for my birthday

[thin linden]

Should of got it while it was on special

[mystic stump]

What are their reasons for not getting it? Not willing to pay or do they not think it's "good for you"?

[next lava]

No. They used to, but now it doesn't matter where they are; +10/min anywhere on the map.

So you could just drop a supply crate just outside the edge of your HQ sector, and place your nodes just inside HQ.

But if I'm playing recon, I'm also going to look there.

[next lava]

I understand what you're saying. People say HLL is hardcore because there's low TTK, subtle hitmarkers, no killcam, and HUD toggle... by default ...these are only optional in BFV, i.e. hardcore mode

[next lava]

Never played with a full tank crew and gotten 120+ infantry kills, ~8 vehicle kills and destroyed multiple garrisons?

[next lava]

Point of order: "simple" majority only in offensive mode, where only the defensive team can use artillery to deny the strongpoint. Otherwise in warfare mode the strongpoint acts as a force multiplier, where either team can deny with artillery, so it becomes about sector control, where you are absolutely correct about spawn placement. K/D only matters for temporarily denying effective manpower in those sectors, you have to take out their spawn points to neutralise the other team.

[dawn widget]

biggest part of what makes HLL hardcore is kill rate imo

one shot kills a large amount of the time

therefore you need to be somewhat tactical about it

makes it harder than other shootera

[native furnace]

nah id say thats subjective

[dim pulsar]

Tactical af

[native furnace]

cod warzone for example is a fucking bullet magnet, you can mag dump upwards of 3 times and not down someone

that shit hard af let me tell you

[dawn widget]

suppose so

its not so much more difficult as it is more difficult

different

i cant type

god damn

[native furnace]

low TTK is a feature thats usually tied to hardcore realisitc shooters, but as I said before with others - not the only hallmark of one

[dim pulsar]

Difficulty is in the eye of the beholder, its a quick draw game, there isnt any relief in terms of survivability

Youre either pointed at the target or youre ded

[dawn widget]

in this game it doesnt really matter how good you are, you will die

eventually

[dim pulsar]

Unless you play a chicken sht role like recon

[dawn widget]

recon has its own role tho

if you go to actual combat you will be shot

[dim pulsar]

I can combat someone at 300 + meters for a long while and rack up a lot of kills before i die

On that note. Free my boy Kyle!

Its not his fault he is pro and the rioters are noobs.

[thin linden]

Hey what's going on?

[timber herald]

How are we lads

[clever cargo]

hey guys I'm fairly new to the game and I was wondering if anyone would familiarize me with the game. It would be greatly appreciated

[thin linden]

Yeah good mate

[native furnace]

https://youtu.be/LaY27yiOPPA
Be all and end all

your one stop shop to learning the basics of HLL courtesy of Monospacial

[dawn widget]

Well they’ve got the judge from Idiocracy so it’s probably going to happen

[prime quartz]

Players who carry the team often aren't flashy but you usually have like ~5 guys per team who are.

I've definitely solo'd a game but again its not in a fashion that is flashy

The core of winning/losing HLL is about spawn points and you have a minority of players who are actively placing, defending, hunting, etc... those spawns

Playing Kursk recently we were pushed back to the last defense cap. I solo jumped into a supply truck and drove on a kilometer trip around the edge of the map and palced a garrison behind the enemy defense point. Our team spawn bombed them and capped it.

I then drove another road trip behind the center point and placed another garrison, and then drove up to the enemy garrison and popped it. My team then spawn bombed onto the garrison I placed . Again capturing the point.

So in that instance I carried my team from losing badly to winning on my own without any teamwork just by playing the spawn point game

`

Reiterating my original point players who carry the game aren't necessarily going to have huge scores or be particularly obvious. The core of carrying a team is placing and destroying garrisons and players who do that aren't naturally going to get huge scores or pointed out in the match. Instead you will just notice that your garrisons are particularly good or that suddenly there aren't anymore enemies and you are breaking through.

[dawn widget]

Definitely true when you land in a garbage team; If both teams are reasonably good then Grimm’s theory probably works out

[mystic stump]

No, I have. We couldn't win a game alone, though. Our infantry needs to follow us up.

I've played matches where we destroy structure after structure, get a 50 killstreak, destroy all defending enemy armor on a cap-point and still our infantry didn't push an inch forwards. Everything is a team effort. Advancing tanks don't do much without advancing infantry.

[prime quartz]

good teams, from my experience, still top at around 5-10% of the team being competent

[mystic stump]

Oh sure, if both teams are utterly incompetent I have no doubt one person simply placing friendly spawns and destroying enemy spawns will win a match. But that's not my experience.

[prime quartz]

Again I think it will be difficult to determine that unless you are spectating

[dim pulsar]

Good armor squads also make a bug difference

But this falls under the few ppl who carry

[prime quartz]

Armor, unlike spawn guys, are more obvious

I’m just not sold players will realize that they broke through not because of any fancy teamwork but because a solo guy wandered around back and took down a garry

[mystic stump]

As a tanker, even when we do well I can hardly say we win the match, the victory is ultimately up to the infantry to follow-up what we do.

Again, I've been in matches where we've ruined the enemy presence on a OBJ, killed all opposing armor that could threaten a friendly push, kept the field clear of enemies, and yet no progress was made nonetheless. It's because for the ~20 minutes we were doing this, not a single friendly squad advanced as a coherent force.

That's an extreme example, I know, but it demonstrates the idea that one good tank squad can't win a whole match if the rest of the team is failing to follow-up the tank's action.

[prime quartz]

Ye the core loop is spawn placement

Without that you are out of luck

[mystic stump]

That's certainly one of the most important factors, but I'd wager you can give a team the best arrangement of garrisons possible, but if they don't use them effectively and coordinate better than the enemies do, that won't go very far.

[prime quartz]

eh

use them effectively is literally just spawn bomb the enemy SP

All your team needs to do is clikc the spawn button and walk towards teh SP

[uncut jasper]

HLL isn't that deep. Couple of good spawnpoints and a well-placed bombing run can end the game

The groundwork for something deeper is there, but none of those features have been refined and are being gradually pushed away anyway.

[drowsy kettle]

im never buying from a AAA studio ever again.

Rockstar is dead to me

I cant get my refund because they de-listed their game, and i cant find my transaction number.

[solid vale]

Watch the trial and don't read headlines, don't read reddit.

[dawn widget]

not really my fight, it’s just the way you wield a dismissive emoji is impressive, like a complacent pensioner on Nextdoor

[tidal yarrow]

Political and/or religious discuss is against the rules here, lads. Let's move along.

[autumn rose]

image taken moments before the ability to speak was removed from the HLL discord

[remote pilot]

What if i told you, that the meta has never changed since Closed Alpha. We started off with 2000x2000 maps with 25 caps and then changed to what it is today. All attention thereafter have been changed to map developement and cosmetics

The only real change i can point out is, at some point garris were restricted to blue areas and recently nodes being buildable in base sectors + steady income of 30.

[dawn widget]

how do you play engineer? seems almost no one plays support so you lack supplies to ever build anything in the first place, and if there is one support anywhere, you use up those supplies by just building like one barb wire fence or two and then what?

am i missing something?

[gloomy grove]

Supply truck

[native furnace]

but never at the very start of rounds

[slim fractal]

Engineer meta (without teamwork) is this:

1. At the start of the round, place all three node bluebrints in your selected HQ
2. Redeploy and change class to support
3. Drop supplies next to your nodes
4. Hammer down manpower node first but before finishing it, hammer two other bluebrints 1-2 times to reset the timer of those (untouched bluebrint vanishes after 3min)
5. Wait 2,5min and drop another supply box
6. Hammer down munition node and remember to hammer the last bluebrint 1-2 times before finishing the 2nd node
7. Wait 2,5min and drop another supply box
8. Hammer the final node bluebrint
9. Redeploy as any class you want and never look back

Solo node & engineer meta, ladies and gentlemen. Your team & commander thanks you for your service

[gloomy grove]

Or just steal the supply truck at the start. SLs never take it anyway.

You can just hop in and shout at SLs over VoIP to get in too. That's my technique.

Drop supplies just over the line and build your nodes back over into the HQ sector. Way quicker

[slim fractal]

And get yelled by commander and/or SLs.

My commander meta is to make the first supply drop during warmup in the HQ just for the nodes.

Then I load a full transport truck and rush it into the strong point and have some SL with the supply trucks to work on the garrisons.

[gloomy grove]

That's an ideal start. I think you over estimate the quality of a regular game

That just doesn't happen

[slim fractal]

I dont overestimate when Im excecuting the start

[solid vale]

Engineer is my favorite role. I play it almost exclusively. Only when commander is a poo poo head do I play something else.

Take supply truck if commander doesn't.

Ask commander for supply drop at first locked point for fast nodes. If he does put down munitions and manpower. Then second point gets repair station and hide the oil.

If not take truck to second point and place Muni/manpower/oil/repair.

Nodes are useful for defending. They reduce cooldowns and resupply. Plus Munitions and Manpower can act as cover since satchel/dismantle is how they are destroyed.

Proceed to play Euro Truck Simulator: WW2 Edition as you run supplies to fortify the point. I recommend the 2nd point till you get good/fast enough to build as your team pushes.

As you get better you will get more ballsy/creative about building and pushing.

Always have a truck, ask your SL for a new one if yours is destroyed and type in chat for it asking commander directly.

[dawn widget]

thank you

I had my most awful match earlier 😦 I was building things as engie and this foreign officer from another unit kept coming up to me and just saying 'stop hey stopp stoppp hey stopp' as I was building and upgrading. I thought he was just a troll. Eventually someone said in chat '____ idiot engie we need garryes' and it dawned on me I was using up the supplies so the officers couldn't make garrys in the town and then we lost the point and had no garrisons to spawn in close to the town

my bad I suppose, I didn't realize. But that's such a scary turn off for me now from engie because I'll now forever be afraid to build fortifications in the towns we're defending

I guess maybe one way would be to wait and make sure there is one garrison in the town up before building fortifications, right? i don't need to wait for every offier to try and make a garrison since only one can be placed within 200m or so?

I kind of wish now resources weren't shared in this manner between the different classes

[mossy trench]

Ah yes, mr butt plug 4 kids, a respected member

[fresh harbor]

I simply cannot get into matches.

Always empty

Any region, playing from South America

Matchmaking is really wonky

Anyone else having problems?

[subtle lance]

ye

i join a english server to my surprise it only to be a different language

[tidal yarrow]

I typically steal supply truck as Engie at start and take it to build nodes behind our lines. I'll let commander know I'm doing this and ask if they want to tag along. Usually they're agreeable.

I'm doing them and the team a service so it usually goes fine

Once I'm done with my nodes they can take the truck

Or hell even before that since I only need 150

[trail canyon]

Greetings, looking for players for a quick game

[native furnace]

Seems to me your SL did a shit job of relaying that information to you. Hardly seems like your fault by intention, you didnt know

[granite cedar]

Can anyone explain to me the reasoning of forming a solo locked tank squad? Every game get 2 or 3 of these clowns doing nothing

[warm knot]

no reason really

[granite cedar]

Shit gets frustrating. Tanks are being operated at 1/3 of their potential efficiency. Takes them forever to get to the frontline, and they die immediately. Lmfao

[warm knot]

no other way to deal with it other than an admin

or not giving them tanks if you're a commander

[twin remnant]

@fresh harbor i faced the same issue on day 1, i had to change the settings on steam for the game to show servers with a lil bit higher ping cuz none of the servers are anywhere near to me.It might be the same for u but i do not know whether something like that happens on PS5 or not

[granite cedar]

Unfortunately no admins on console servers

[gloomy grove]

I'm better in a recon tank on my own than with a random who doesn't know how to kill tanks

Bad tankers = bad tankers

Good tankers = good tankers

A bad tanker in a three person squad will do poorly.

A good tanker in a solo squad will do well

[native furnace]

a good tanker in a solo squad will never do so well as a 2 or 3 man crew of anyone that isnt completely braindead

if ur a solo tanker ur always either lacking visibility, movement or immediate fire so ur basically fucked from the get go

locking solo tank squads is genuinely the stupidest thing you can do and you're playing the wrong class if you dont want to rely on others for teamwork

however, ill concede that if you know what ur doing you can solo a recon fairly well, and if you get the chance to find a good position in a tank, where you dont have to move - then you will be fine even in a solo tank

[gloomy grove]

95% of tank crews are brain-dead then 🤷‍♀️ It's not hard to solo a recon. Know the limitations, know how to move around the map, and you'll do fine.

You only need to kill one heavy to be a net positive on fuel.

Good tankers are good
Bad tankers are bad

It's not complicated

U11 kills the solo recon tank anyway so you'll all stop being upset about being killed by solo tankers so much

[native furnace]

damn really? They gonna make it even less viable, well I suppose thats a good thing cept we'll have even less people playing tanks than before

thing is, im never upset about being killed by a solo tanker, hell if they can manage that then theyve earnt it by all means

I am pissed when I see locked solo tank squads when there are people wanting to crew up

[mystic stump]

In all fairness, solo-tanking a recon isn't that bad. They cost almost nothing, it's fast to switch, and you can set up decent ambushes with them.

That being said, my real gripe is with people who try to take anything other than a recon to solo. That just wastes resources. I'm looking at the level 250's taking Tigers out on their lonesome and getting them killed way too early. In fairness, if you can set up in a good position to where you don't need to move the tank, there are a few scenarios where it could work. But they're few and far between, and it's almost always easier with a helping hand.

My personal experience is that most pub tank crews are at least capable of following orders. So if I load into a crew with green tankers, I take the commanding role and gun, and we work the rest out along the way. It's rare that they screw anything major up, unless the driver is just utterly incapable of handling a tank. The gunner is the crucial role. If you have a good gunner, you can usually excel even if the rest of the crew is green.

[mystic stump]

Yeah, locked solo tank squads should simply be disabled, IMO. I'd ask the same of any support squad, like recon. Failing that, servers should take it upon themselves to deal with people with locked support squads by harsh means; some already do.

To be clear, I have no problem with someone who is just on their lonesome in a support squad. If no one else is volunteering to join you, power to you, do as much as you can with what you have at hand. But if you're locking your squad so no others can join, constantly refusing to let others in, that's no good.

[fresh harbor]

I'm on console so I don't have access to a server browser

[mystic stump]

Hello, @snow anvil.
You asked i another channel about whether a 75mm "Medium" can penetrate a Tiger from the front. The short answer is no, not at all. A 75mm "Medium" should try to flank a Tiger from the side or the rear, as it will never win a head-to-head battle with a Tiger.

The longer answer is that I'd suggest you read up on the relative armor protection and penetrative powers of the tanks in this game using the following resources:
https://theline.gg/tankbible
https://icilia95.wixsite.com/tankopedia/tank-engagement-1

This is essentially all you'll ever need to know (for now) about tanks and specifically tank battles in HLL in an easy-to-digest format. Dig in! 😄

[atomic dawn]

perfect example - https://www.reddit.com/r/HellLetLoose/comments/lsn4hk/200_iq_flank_violence_speed_aggression/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

lots of people don’t think to flank out of bounds... especially considering you have the 30 seconds

recon tank is op af on some maps when using this method

[mystic stump]

Right. but this was before U10. And from what Critical is saying, switching will be even slower in the next update.

For right now, something like this is still possible, but the sweat switch would be quite slower.

[atomic dawn]

yeah my point was more about using the recon to flank out of bounds. As you said, a good tanker knows it’s all about positioning

but i agree, it will has become and will become harder with the switching speed nerf

[native furnace]

oh my god are you actually serious, fuck I already hate the switch timer as of U10

theyre tryna punnish solo tankers, but in the process everyone else suffers the same thing

[next oasis]

tankers doing mental gymnastics now lol

[merry whale]

Wtf

[merry whale]

That’s insane

So it’s going to be even less worth it to be in a tank when a at squad fucks you in the back (specifically American at with their retarded amount of rockets compared to Germans)

Absolutely lovely

I feel like there are two separate devs, one for super/average realism, and the other for pure arcade.

[mystic stump]

I don't personally see a problem. Switching between seats shouldn't be as fast as it was, for one. In a recon tank it was something like 2 seconds or a second and a half before U10. The changes are just reinforcing three man tank crews. It's a good design choice to me.

Full tank crews were the majority of the meta before these changes, they simply reinforced and encouraged it more. Two man crews aren't viable past light tanks because of the time to switch now.

Which is a good thing to me.

Also, here's me realizing that the U11 changelog is saying that the Panther will be removed from U11 for reworking. I thought it was just referring to the PTE. :/

[native furnace]

yes but the end result is people in general are put off tanking even more than before

the only people who arent affected by this change will be full 3 man tankj crews

and how many u think we get of those each pub match? 1...maybe 2?

[cinder sonnet]

one full tank crew, three 2-man crews

many such cases!

[empty heron]

how to increase the experience of soldiers quickly to unlock the different loadouts

[warm knot]

place nodes as engineer and swap to the role you want to level up
do supply runs in a supply truck

[abstract sun]

Hi, quick question: What does the icons next to the squadlist mean? Sometimes the Mic is lighted up, sometimes theres a thunderbolt and something i can't decipher

[torn prairie]

They can denote if the SL prefers microphone only players, if the squad is focused on attacking, defending or logistics et

etc*

[abstract sun]

ohh i see, thanks a lot!

[unkempt storm]

🧂

[mystic stump]

It's not that bad. Your gunner can partially spot for your crew, so in many cases (long range engagements), the spotter is auxiliary.

[dawn widget]

How about this for a low dev effort improvement for the rationed squads:

1. Allow them to be locked.
2. Check membership count once per minute. If count === 1, unlock the squad.

[mystic stump]

That could work. How the Devs would implement it is up to them, but I do think it's ridiculous that people are even able to lock support squads.

[old viper]

How do I find people to play with? Most of these battles look organized

[slim fractal]

Browse through #pc-divisions-recruitment and/or post your introduction in #pc-looking-for-unit.

[small warren]

Any updates on when eastern front will come to console?

[dim pulsar]

Never

[bitter niche]

We need radios in tanks

For those long drives where there’s nothing to do but drive and nothing to talk about

[native furnace]

what like...with music?

[bitter niche]

Yes

Just a thought though, it’s not realistic

[mystic stump]

Well, the radios on tanks were combat radios with limited range. The likelihood they'd have been able to pick up music stations is low. Moreover, why would they? It'd block command chat!

That being said, if memory serves me right German U-Boat could tune into radio stations which played music.

[native furnace]

Submarine DLC when

[dawn widget]

God I loved BF1942’s submarines

And U-Boat (where you can tune into two radio stations to raise morale)

[mystic stump]

Yes. I like U-Boat, but it's simulation is a little bit arcadesque sometimes. I much prefer SH, but SH has a lot of age on it.

[dawn widget]

Yep I don’t plot my own torpedo coords either. I’m so sorry

I remember playing Silent Service (had to look this up) as a child when parents visited some friends. It’s one of my primary childhood memories

Sub games ftw

[mystic stump]

No, I mean with U-Boat even with the 'realistic' settings, you have to warm torpedoes, the damage and sinking model is a bit strange, etc. All rather arcadesque additions.

The torpedo solutions are the main fun 😮

[dawn widget]

They do go down pretty easily

[mystic stump]

Yeah. In SH3, sometimes you have to stalk a ship for hours until it sinks.

But the damage model is altogether better in that game, as well. In U-Boat, sometimes you can sink a dozen shells into a ship and it keeps going like nothing has happened. Not the case in SH.

[dawn widget]

I’ll have to check it out again. I think I have 3 actually. But it was crashy if I remember correctly

[mystic stump]

There are some community patches you need, for sure.

[bitter niche]

I was thinking a toggle like maybe pressing R while in a tank would turn it off or something, idk just a dumb idea

[native furnace]

I reckon theres a fair few features that could, or should be added to tanks to make them just a touch bit more interesting

my personal requests is the ability to pop the hatch for the driver

and a top mounted MG for spotter

(possibly that comes with the removal of the front mounted driver MG)

[atomic dawn]

The official word, on the team17 website says Winter, so that probably means early 2022

[river terrace]

im guess December this year

Holiday season and what not

[cinder sonnet]

Jesus christ

Never had a larger disparity between A/D scores

[strange mountain]

So, I'm not very good at spotting things because of how bad my eyes are, since I wear glasses for gaming, but I was a spotter a couple of times in a tank crew. I could never spot anything around the tank. I could spot a few things but if its like Hurtgen forest or Hill 400. Its completely difficult to spot things. I'm usually the gunner and the Commander or the driver spots it for me and ping it.

I have the most difficult time to spot things especially when I am seen and shot at. I have seen a few videos from Monospacial about that.
I am not good at spotting and being a driver in a tank.
I had almost 70 kills for being the gunner yesterday. I was very proud of myself for that.

[native furnace]

good shit, yeah I dont trust myself to see everything when im acting as spotter in a tank crew

driving is annoying but not too difficult once u get the hang of the controls, only finnicky if anything

[strange mountain]

I was having a difficult time on driving. I was getting the hang of it yesterday night. But I am getting a lot better of being the Gunner than being the driver or the spotter.

[native furnace]

yeah gunners not too tricky, just gotta listen to your TC and point the gun where it needs to be

[strange mountain]

Exactly. Just gotta ping where the infantry is at or tank

[visual rivet]

How can I get the PC role?

[cinder sonnet]

the enemy team got a tank stuck upright in a tree

they brought along a troop transport truck to dislodge it, and then also a second tank crew in a recon vehicle

[dawn widget]

the wonders of teamwork

[cinder sonnet]

it didn't work. it's still there after 25 minutes

because they keep trying to loosen it

the tank crew was surprisingly chill with me spectating, until some rando ran by and shot me

[dawn widget]

serious question but what's the fun in playing artillery? :S

I tried it, it's so boring, just switch back and forth between the two seats and fire random shots around locations you think the enemy may be in, but of course never hit anything (I suppose if you had intel from your SL it would work better). I see the same people on arty entire matches

how do you not get bored after 3 minutes?

[native furnace]

combat score

they rack up mad kills if they know what theyre doing

otherwise yeah seems boring af

[dawn widget]

I even got hit with TK punishments a few times, when I was bombing the enemy's entrance to a point (where there's no blue dots anywhere near yet on the map). Some random teammate would run into my bombing spot, get killed by it, then punish me for it

[strange mountain]

I would if they added more players like 100 vs 100.
oh god just imagine

[dawn widget]

no that'd be really annoying, even 50v50 you get randomly killed out of the blue more than enough >.< 100 v 100 you'd never walk more than 2 ft before dying

[strange mountain]

I'm just saying

Usually there's not enough armor units. Just so many infantry units

[dawn widget]

which surprises me honestly. In Battlefield you can never get a tank because too many people try to spawn in one to play in it. But in this game there's not enough people who want to play it

[river terrace]

in my experience nobody wants to run infantry they just wanna play tanks

and tbh i hate tank game play

[strange mountain]

I like tanks

tanks go BOOM

[strange mountain]

opposite
a lot of players like to play as Recon

[river terrace]

for me its soooooo boring slowly driving across the map just to get blown up then spawning all the way at the HQ and waiting for a tank to spawn

[strange mountain]

The Panther is one of them

[native furnace]

correction, a lot of players like the scope that comes with playing sniper

[strange mountain]

Exactly

[merry whale]

You can pretty easily get 60-150 kills with arty, a simple calc, and listening/seeing what command/other sl’s ping out. It can be absolutely devastating when you can basically wipe out two or more squads with minimal amount of time.

[strange mountain]

Thank you

[native furnace]

I dont see people begging for a spotter roll lmao

[strange mountain]

I hate being the spotter tbh

[native furnace]

Personally I like tanking the best of all

[river terrace]

how is that fun just farming kills? lol

[native furnace]

I hate being subject to every stray bullet from bumfuck no where

[merry whale]

....your not understanding how important arty can be...

[native furnace]

at least with tanking uve got a good amount of protection, and can be absolutely devestating. Plus teamwork is usually a lot more cohesive in tank crews

[strange mountain]

I agree

[river terrace]

ik its important but how can someone enjoy it? its like being a plumber, its an important role but most people including me just dont want or have any interest being one

[strange mountain]

I think I saw a player had like 500 kills

[strange mountain]

Tank good

[merry whale]

It’s fun if your a sl listening/talking with command about where/when to fire and hearing the glorious hit pings and checking your kill count and seeing that you went from 15 ish kills to something like 35-50 with about 4-8 rounds and if you have played enough as infantry to know that the enemy team is basically being reduced to atoms because of precision fire.

[strange mountain]

I had almost 70 kills

[dawn widget]

if you're doing arty as SL though, then you're not being use to your squad as much though, can't build them OP or garrisons or use your binoculars in the field

[merry whale]

.....

[dawn widget]

or direct your squad otherwise

[merry whale]

......

[river terrace]

i like infantry because i really enjoy being the the midst of a huge battle running back and fourth with my morphine res'ing players and dodging gunfire as the team captures points i usually rank on the top of the score board with squad leaders and the commander just because of a needle

[merry whale]

You fucking lock your squad....

[dawn widget]

why you curse?

[native furnace]

I bet you love offensive mode then, medic can excel there!

[river terrace]

also in most games the arty team is just ass, killing teamates or hitting nothing at all

[snow anvil]

Hey thanks for the answer however I manage to use a 75 mm medium and penetrated a tiger from the front and I have video proof

[merry whale]

Lmao

[river terrace]

actually one of my best medic games was on the defensive side,we were defending the last objective and actually ran out of morphine and had to redeploy...we won that game

[native furnace]

man that mirrors my best game exactly! Same experience defending the last objective running back and forth healing + reviving teammates, and we won! This was on hill 400 too

Man that was such a fun match, got like a whole squads worth of commendations and 23k score

[river terrace]

my game was on Utah Beach defending Sainte Marie Approach the last objective

some guy called me desmond doss🤣

[zenith grail]

wow the tank treads actually warp?

that's- honestely kind of impressive

[native furnace]

the fact that, thats the impressive part of the picture, and not that the tigers on the roof is funny

[river terrace]

NO the impressive part of the picture is how that tin roof is supporting that 50 ton tank, whomever built that need a raise