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How to learn the game? Maybe by choosing the servers that are not LVL capped.
The LVL capped servers are community hosted and they always have also servers that are not LVL capped.
I just want squad members 💀
Need people who play regularly pleaseee help
Sup
there are literally servers for noobs bro
Did I ask for a noob server no 🖕🏻
Thanks tho

Monkey
bro im not giving u attention troller xd
feels unnecessary
I couldn’t care less about attention 😅🤘
I’m just here for a good laugh
i started 6 days ago and this have never happened to me unlucky i guess
chat do i need epic online services to play the game or can i uninstall that
What are some differences between panther and tiger?
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Panther has a far better driver viewport
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Panther faster forward, but Tiger is faster backwards
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I feel like the Tiger can turn better
Could be just my personal bias tho
alr thx
#1284762788488544266 message
Look here for more infos about tanking
sums it up pretty well imo
I would imagine you do to access servers.
Does anyone know or have a link or the polish clan?
you have to convert the timing in ns to compare
cl 18 at 4600 is faster than cl17 at 3600
Có ai Việt Nam k, lập đội chơi chung nè
Can someone help me, every time I enter the game, sometimes immediately, sometimes after about 20 seconds, a notification comes up and kicks me out of the game, authentication timed out (1/2) or something that the anti-cheat is not active or something similar, I did what it said on the internet, I verified the data and nothing works, what should I do
try turning all the RGB light programs off.
looking for people to play wiht im 18 NA'
thank you
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im already level 28 and i never got kiced
:😭
I havent been able to find a server with comms activated
its getting annoying
like im starting to think there are only no comm servers
You should join a unit or community, that's only real way of getting comms all the time.
Try out 2nd Armoured they are american.
its just aggrivating that all four of the servers I joined were no comms and I had to wait in a que just to find out
If you are PC #pc-looking-for-unit will be best.
cool welcome to the bullshoot
Every server has comms enabled. If no one is talking it’s a local issue on your machine, or nobody is choosing to talk
Playing as SL is a good way to check because command chat ALWAYS has yappers on community servers
And even if others don't talk, I still make call outs, so others can get information.
looking for clan, brand new steam
#pc-divisions-recruitment You can find clans here 🙂
ty
Sometimes i just use my speakers and not my headset. I still listen just rather play while still hearing the outside world. Specially on those really hot days.
Any console players on?
new to the game any console players on
I didn’t know this game was on console 💀
"i picked SL now hear me yap"
I think im enjoying tanking. Had a moment where i screamed in abject horror for the driver to get us out as I watch a sherman emerge from a bush looking at our luchs
We did not live
😆 I love when I play tank and suddenly the group realizes... we're dead. "Well, that was a good run... let's get a heavy!"
Begging the commander for another tank
Beg? Nah, usually commanders are pretty willing to give as long plenty of fuel. If they don't have enough? Fine I'll take what naturally spawns.
"Is that a tiger?"
Looking for a group to join have a some time played
Hey does anyone want to play? i like being medic or rifleman, played for a few hours now, still hugely knew to the game, PC im playing on
#console-looking-for-unit or for a Clan if you are interessted #console-divisions-recruitment
sorry looking for the pc side of it not console
No problem👍 , the Server for some reason doesnt show everyone all the channels sometimes.
yeah noticed
the fact you made it so obvious youre PC, n he still wrote console bs to you😂
Wait did you change it?
I could have sworn you were X-Box.
Sorry none the less
I need new glasses
i want what 💊 you have
Dude i which i would take drugs
Anyone on PC down to play?
Would make my life better in an instant
Tho i dont even drink alkohol or take any meds😅
good for you honestly
not many ppl can say they can do that
#pc-looking-for-unit this should be the right one🥲
that doesnt show for me ty lol
Question, is there a point to playing machine gunner while your on the offensive team? Youll just be killed when you set up by the defenders who are already set up
Machine gun is a beast for suppressing fire that your team can use to advance on the point.
Set up further away and trust pings from your squadmates.
Ill give that a try!
Positioning's key.
Also lots of times deffenders run trucks of various kinds to create back line garries or bring supplies to some specific point to build stuff with.
Setting up correctly as MG gives you free real estate to blow up those trucks using the machine gun you're given, thus racking up a lot of score and helping quite a bit as well.
Wait so do i go to the frontline or not?
You can do a bunch of stuff.
You can attack from the front and just get kills or do supression through smokes, you can flank around and destroy trucks from the back and lock it down so they can't get to the point or out-flank your flank garrison (which you should always have as an attacker in offensive), lock down entire sectors (squares I mean) of the map from a good vantage point.
It's all map, gamemode and situation dependant
Ah, well as someone with only like 16 hours in game im still clueless about good vs bad positions
Then don't worry about stuff like that.
Right now your top goal is picking any class that isn't squad lead and just asking as many questions as you can whilst killing the enemy.
Ive tried a good few classes so far, rifleman/auto dont interest me since i wanna feel like im benefiting the team other than being rank&file. So far my "main" classes are support and machine gunner
how are two garrisons this close to eachother? i thought they have to have 200M between them
The garrisons that spawn in offensive dont count towards the limit nor have a distance limitation.
okay ty
I think my main source of dying has to be people somehow behind us. Yet their garrison is nowhere to be found when i go over to the area they came from
I am also like NEVER on the winning team, we always get steamrolled
can satchels not be placed ON tanks?
They can
i was at a stationary tank in teh enemy hq
i looked at it's whole backside and couldn't place it
said "can't place here"
idk why i wasn't able to that's why i came to ask
Yeah I assumed so
You cannot place explosives (satchels and mines) in the HQ sectors (the two rows closest to HQ)
I believe when you try to place mines it explicitly says so
For satchels apparently not then, just a generic "nuh-uh" message
Only when the enemy last point is active can you build & place things in their HQs. However, even when it is active there's also an invisible protective box in the spot that vehicles spawn to prevent building & placing things inside that would otherwise block them from spawning
So you'd have to place the satchel or mines on the ground in front of or next to the vehicle as close as it will let you
does getting the differnet sniper loudouts change anything to the primary gun?
Depends on the faction
in US no
In Germany you get a FG42 with less zoom
The Soviets have a semi auto as well
Not sure about the brits
Imo FG42 sucks on more open maps cause the damage drop-off, but on Carentan, Stalingrad and night maps, totally kicks bum
Yes the 100m seems short but god is this thing disgusting
This is the reason why I never want to see console and pc crossplay
Yeah, it absolutely rips in short to medium range.
Stuff like Foy and PHL imo isn't great for it, but I guess if you're playing in the actual Foy point then it can be used.
Lol
he is LARPing for Das Reich 😔
You can't satchel HQ vehicles.
You can satchel the ground next to a HQ tank but it reduces damage.
hello guys
Play skirmish, those matchers are only 30 minutes
nah i mean if theres a feature if u want to not select the server browser just quickly go into a random game
don't believe there is one
yea rifleman is simple and good, the m1 grand is prob the best gun in the game
you can try medic and support too, both great roles
No, there's no quickplay, we don't have dogwater features like that.
You either go pick an official server and suffer through whatever dogwater 0 braincells crap you have there, or you go play consistantly on one or few community servers, build up a group of people you know and like to play with and do it that way
anyone wanna play with me im a complete begginer i started playing like yeaterday. just need help to learn the game tbh
I would be more than happy to die with you. This is my first time playing and all I've done is die. 🤣 But I have gotten a few kills.
anyone wanna play together?
gotta love it when kids love TKing their commander multiple times, in middle of the offensive game, and making excuses and annoying others and getting commander votekicked and losing the game in the process
Votekick wont work, if they keep teamkilling? Votes always end at 15/20
Might be a skill issue
Yeah, I was trying to coordinate with our recon unit who are actually competent, I got teamkilled 6-8 times since start for no reason, though I didn't abuse officers closest to supplies for asking them to place garrison and them ignoring lol
@pliant socket
I placed garrisons and supplies all over and I have a strong record as commander who doesn't even use mic lmfao, love Fortnite kids who get triggered cuz they suck at officer role
Christ man, you should probably go get checked at the VA
Damn... bloody respect for that
Perhaps not the best idea to make the game free on epic games ngl, it's great and I got it for free , though if it was on good discount I would've purchased instead, my European friend gave good reviews on it
Eh, I think otherwise. Just let the game simmer and all those impurities shall be cleaned from our world! And such.
But I understand your argument.
Yeah, still waiting for a TTS feature so that officers can pay more attention,in #1325523658365468763
That's obviously fantastic, but the odds of me getting cycling around the world in one go, is higher than that getting added
Let's see, @surreal berry can present the case to dev team on this discord if needed
Indeed, but don't get your hopes up, as hope is a road to disappointment...
I already got external software for ingame vc so my coordination is better as commander, though I still have good tactics
Ooh!
We are group of 6 players that want to play in a HLL match. Any advice on what to do to make this happen?
Find a server that ain't full, but is filling up, with empty queue
Was thinking about a sign up match. Not just a regular server
U meant party system or something?
I dont think he can do that.😅
Hes a voluntary mod for the Discord server and not even an employee of T17.
T17 is in this discord tho they can read the forums
how to get roles
@deep quest you too from 🇮🇳?
Yeh
Cool
They could, but they currently dont or have you seen one of the devs or even greg ever in the suggestion channels?
Thats one reason why they should have given HLL a new CM who only works on this game. Greg is the CM for multiple game at the moment.
Let's ping Greg lol
😅 😂 im all in for it.
I dont do that because the Man surely has better things to do than being here.
Is there a LFG feature in this discord or am I missing it?
Why isnt that on my screen?
You need to check a box in the servers settings to see all channels.
Dont sure where tho...
Cant find it on my Phone 😅
Make sure you go to the top left to the down arrow and select "Show All Channels"
i know the direction mostly, but i never see them
Usually standing still and watching the bullets wiz’s past and kill your ally shows the enemy location
You just gotta be patient and let them walk into your sights
I would always recommend setting Foliage to low in video settings. You are just handicapping yourself by rendering extra foliage the enemy likely won't see.
but my graphics
Other than that, you can try fiddling with anti aliasing presets and possibly apply some screen sharpening using external tools (like Nvidia Control Panel) but at that point you start entering territory where you're implicitly making your game look worse.
Your graphics will look the same as potato pc if you are in the spawn screen most of the game
Look, if you crank your graphics to max, turn on motion blur, etc it's no surprise you can't see anyone.
The game will still look fine if you reduce foliage quality.
Try to find your own balance between fidelity and visibility.
what settings are the best for max performance
I’m just teasing, Ty Ty
Not playing the game at all
hey peeps why is it the servers are full or sitting que for 5 minutes
Because servers can only handle a finite number of players at once?
gotcha didn't realize game was very popular to play
Yeah, only a few tens of thousands of players
Hey i'm a new player looking for a team with mic, who's gonna help me understand (i'm french btw so oui oui baguette Napoleon)
playing with a controller
when you start a game and commander doesnt spawn supply truck for nodes:
lmao
Had a game where i killed the commander :D
I just got killed by a commander i couldnt even understand lol
If only I knew every language or smth 😆
who tryna fuckk aroundd on hll
any uk or eu discord here
when I was new guy, I logged onto community server
There was one rule that prohibited certain abuse of commander's power
So shortly after I joined official and did it once because there is no such rule on official servers
😃
I mean, why would you write the rule, that is basically an instruction
welcome 
Because most "rules" like that have an "incident" that proceeded them even if "don't be a troll CO" does seem like it would be self evident 😛
How do these guys offer vip for seeding? Is it automated?
Oh boy, I just came out of my best game yet. A defensive win that went down to the last point. I have to tell you, joining a squad that communicates and had a good SL is what makes this game so good. Pick yourself a squad and if they don't talk, get out of there! Find a squad that talks and has a strategy. We found spawns, flanked enemies as they came in, camped the point when needed, pushed out to find garrys and OPs when needed - this game is infinitely better when you work in a squad that communicates. I got 24 kills which is my best yet, some headshots. And flanking is just the best, look at the map and figure out where the enemies are coming in from and hit them from the side, pick them off while they run from left to right. I got promoted to level 4 rifleman and rank 34 now, and this game is really starting to click for me.
yo got a place in ur squad for one more ?
Hey dude, I tend to just play with randoms, as I play late at night after the family have gone to bed so the timing is not always good for having a regular squad
I meant "why would you formulate a rule the way it becomes detailed instruction, rather than overall description" :)
i'm not looking for a regular squad
just to play rn
Gotcha - I just logged off, midnight here in the UK, I'll drop you a message when I am next on!
Hell let loose should add a cancel server load cuz at times i get stuck at connection lost to host for no reason at all
so i gotta wait 10 mins
When you load the map?
https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1300297593032671292
yea and i did do the whole guide and it is my router. when i restart it it's fixed.
That's good you fixed it
any vets mind a noob tagging along? i have a mic and headphones and a thirst for blood
to any game vets 18+ with a mic, dm me if u don't mind a little mentoring. i'm decent at fps, just a lot of unknown mechanics in HLL that I'm not used to.
im new to the game just got it a few days ago and could use all the help i can get
#1273828697941606450 and don't be afraid to ask questions
reading a guide is one thing, practical application is another. guess we can just join some randoms and leave the discord since the community is so standoffish?
not tryin to be melodramatic but us garbo noobs joined the server to get some help and see what experienced players would do on the fly, something a guide won't really be good for. I get that the community groans when the game goes free because all the smoothbrains that join and just fumble about like they're playing CoD but jeez help me grasp the advanced nuance and some fun is bound to be had
I'd have you tag along, but I'm already in a group. There were a couple groups earlier, maybe now is just an unlucky time.
I'm sorry that it isn't going as well as you'd hope, but I recommend just talking in game and trying to play and learn. Play as assault or rifleman or automatic rifleman. Say you're new and want to learn. Try to join a higher level squad lead.
exactly what i'm about to do rn. tbh i just want a higher level of play than bf4 has to offer, although getting a squad to coordinate in bf4 is super dope, it's not as encouraged as in hll i feel like. good luck w your matches.
You can get a squad to coordinate, it's just we don't have a party system. I recommend community servers if you can do that.
anyone have an opening for me to tag along
Would gladly help you but I don't even speak fluent english (
) But If you have some doubts over text I may be able to help
where should i play as a new player
In the game preferably and a infantry squad. Any role except squad lead
start with support and give your supplies every 5 minutes to any officer that might need it for a garry. if your own SL doesn't talk, you should bug another officer in local. then observe the map and how the garries you helped build affect everything. it might even be a negative effect if people flock to your far-away garrison when they should be going to defend instead, but this is an important lesson for everyone too.
Tons of great information over in #1273828697941606450
Yo ive downloaded the game but im stuck at a screen where i need to press a button to continue?
It wont continue when i press something
any1 help?
ty i linked my epic account but still at the same screen
i launched hll via the folder and click the button menu works but now im stuck in a screen of a guy staring at the field?
Hdym?
like when i launch it normally yh it says i need permission i got it then i cant go farther than click any button to continue im just stuck there so i launched it via the folder then it works but then im stuck at a screen where a guys looking at a field
I mean Stuck at the picture with the soldier in the Forest ?
nah its like a picture of a soldier looking into a field and it zooms out
reinstalled it already once but it just dont launch
idk why
May contact epic Or t17
probably i wanna play it but refuses to launch
never had a issue like this w other games
There are more steps to try than linking the account. I’m not very smart myself, but the solution should be there
i need a spotter i can guide u if u dont know how to play it any lvl cool
ill try them i did the 2nd one but 3rd one is for time syncing?
Please advertise clans in #pc-divisions-recruitment 🙂 Thanks.
Just joined the game. Want to join a discord group/server to help me get my wings and play with some decent players
To find just randoms to play with #pc-looking-for-unit or you can find clans in #pc-divisions-recruitment
is it possible for someone, to kill a driver, in a full speed vehicle, from atleast 200m away, in just one shot? seems like autoaim, considering that it wasnt even straight line towards the infantry
Lack of kill feed or even server replay/reporting mechanism is going to let cheaters bypass easily, since EAC is proven useless
I’ve done it before. It was a hell of a shot
Kill feed would ruin this game. Kill someone and now you're finding a new spot because they know where you're at now
Same, and I play console. I expect much easier to aim and lead nicely on PC with a mouse.
Its not impossible also with how little visual feedback bullets seem to have you might have had a company firing at you and just not know. But most of the rifles are pinpoint out to about 300m so its well within what the sights are capable of and people can just get lucky
I went 33 and 3 and won that round last night. My average shot was around 200m and 9 of the 33 kills were headshots. I was using the M1 while on Xbox. I wish this was K&m compatible because I'd do even better
Play on PC with your gamepass? 😉
I'm not able to afford a high end PC. I won't go cheap on one because it'll just crap out on me in a year like the last one did
Yes, done it many times before.
Sometimes lucky, like /really/ lucky, but sometimes I do really calculate ahead and the drop and everything
US East Noob lookin for some vets to help me escape this pop up mole/camping simulator experience thus far
Good evening gentlemen
Anyone wanna link up on ps5? New to game but need someone with a mic who knows how to play
You may have better luck in #console-looking-for-unit
Anyone looking to play? UK
I have a compilation somewhere of supply truck driver shooting.. and I've hit some lucky long shots but some I didn't record. So yes it's possible.
look to try to learn this how to play
Played 10 hours. Just looking for a group that actually plays together lol
If you are worried about cheaters play community. All the big servers share a player blacklist with active admins
Any tips to level up anti tank faster?
You could always play engineer and build nodes then switch to anti tank after to get passive XP from the nodes.
I’ll try it out thanks!
does anywone have trouble loading game? the window says waiting gor game and just closes
waiting for game*
On Xbox?
xbox game pass on pc
Has it worked before?
https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1271327082713976933 is PC GP specific
& https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1271343245636538380
Actually been curious for a while and never tried, but can a recon squad use recon tanks? Or do you still need to be armor squad
They can be passengers, but not drive/use no 🫤
Only armor can use it
Hate for you to post again but best place to find people to play with is #pc-looking-for-unit
looking for a team to play regularly eu time and servers preferbly dm me fairly knew to the game level 17 i think
hello hello, new player here. i was gonna try to grind assault enough to get a shotgun but frontline combat is just abhorrently unfun for me and led to dropping the game for a while. i've just learned of artillery, and have decided to commit myself to learning it. naturally, i have questions.
i've figured out how to ping for distance and eyeball the mills, but the traversal is what's tripping me up; how on earth do i know if i have an appropriate fire angle?
https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1312935316906049587
Essentially the angle is part of the mils to meters thing. You can tell because longer distances force the gun to aim lower visually. Not sure it that makes sense lol
And it's 24 seconds for it to land, at a random dispersion
i meant left to right, sorry
Oh just align it with the ping
just learned that loader can move whole gun, so
ok!
Yeah there's a line going through the center vertically, and I usually just ping or mark a spot to shoot and line it up to the center or that
or marker
I hate how tiny a lot of the text is lol
Is the number under the crossed bullets how many enemies you've killed, or is it some kind of score attached to it?
I believe you're talking about combat effectiveness.
It shows score corresponding to certain amount of enemies killed, vehicles destroyed, outposts destroyed, garrisons destroyed and nodes destroyed.
damn, wish i woulda looked at personal stats
just played my first game after i learned how to move the whole artillery gun, nobody talked to me so i was kinda playin blind, and i got a trophy for 5 kills without dying -- don't even know what jingle im supposed to be listening for -- so i guess i was doin somethin right >.>
Found more detailed info from @gritty plaza: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eN4f7J_4jXreYCdaU082kOdaYTFAsPp7tZvMY7vgKrM/edit?gid=0#gid=0
You hear hitmarker sounds just like if you were to perform a body shot with a normal weapon of any kind.
But in any case, in the bottom left of the scoreboard you can check personal stats as well to see stuff like kills and deaths. They're not super important, but it's useful to know if you got a(or any) kill(s) as arty.
Or to know if your bombing run as commander took out any garries (if you happened to miss the message on screen).
Idk what the playstation button to access it is though
Yeah, i didn't manage to look at the personal stats at end of game board and idk if you can access previous match results
Sadly by default in a vanilla server you are unable to access any kind if match history.
Not sure about consoles, but many pc servers run a sort of plugin (if you can call it that, no clue) that saves match histories and you can later view it online or via a discord bot.
There it has a full breakdown of games and some other nice things to see like a kill/death/assist etc. leaderboard and what not.
Some community servers have stats pages to look at previous matches.. Most likely find it in their Discords or ask them
@rigid wadi Do console servers also have stat pages like that?
I guess, but really any console andie can say if they've seen it or not
But who knows, maybe ninja's a normie and plays on official servers only kekw
i'm asking the server of the... server i was on
Yeah, then chances are, that you won't see your match history.
Sometimes I mix up the PS5 and steam icons if I'm not really paying attention 😅
The server i was in does have that, i got exactly 5 kills and 39 score
According to sir Abu, should be possible on console community servers
looking for people who can help me to learn to play armour dm me eu servers
I wanna get better can anyonew help me?
Hey, quick question, been playing on the official servers past couple days, and I have to ask, is the constant teamkilling just a side effect of new players or is it always that bad? I'm not gonna say that every death was because of TKing, but every three deaths it seems one of them must be caused by friendly arty
Official servers altogether are a side effect of new players.
If it weren't for the massive wave of new players, practically not a single server would have been populated.
Our voice channels is a side effect of that side effect
Yup, most non-dented in the head people play on community servers. Where there are rules, staff and statistically better games. @fresh tree
Official servers seem less nice
any recommendation server-wise?
Ultimately doesn't matter much
i'd say 13SNC
Yeah, most of them have very similar rulesets.
Circle
ExD
82AD
PBS
Tea & Country
Just a few I remember off the top of my head
not really at all
most of the time it's a great time, the guys are nice in there and they help out newbies
but if you bugger up a lot you will get bummed
Quite RNG. Some nights and some servers can get more serious, but realistically it won't be bad at all as long as: You don't play SL if you don't know what you're doing and you join and active squad and just ask questions
Yeah and a lot of them try to balance teams among their members too
So just join any squad where you're not gonna be the leader of it and talk with people. You'll fit right in
tea and country are bril (im defo not biased at all)
Hello new here should i get Hell Let Loose?
This is one of the few communities in EU region I'd actually actively avoid, unless you are a fan of D jokes.
yes
not at all Ive never played a game like this and Im not getting fully destroyed Im still getting some kills and having fun
on 13snc
How do i get into these servers nobody talks in the normal servers
Just like any server, except the admins got a bit salty when I cleaned up stupid squads w/o leads a few times.
damn
These are PC servers, not console servers
If your on console, it would be the servers in the Enlist menu (which are different from PC)
YES 13SNC
ur the guy who told me to play it lmfao this morning
i love 13snc sm i will always glaze them icl 😭
OH YEAH ITS YOU
Well you're an xbox bozo. So whatever I say, take it with a grain of salt.
But just like the others are saying, just check out the server browser. Find one with at least like 70 peeps on and decent ping and jump right in
hahahaha
Im trying to join the clan of it rn
sick
the servers r great people actually speak
told you
oh i didn't realize
My fault
Right, thank you all for the advice
You'll be gucci my dude. Same stuff as the others:
Join a server with decent ping
Don't take leader positions
Ask questions via your mic
Rinse and repeat for like 100 hours, then start considering taking lead positions as well
One more question, I'm currently just leveling Rifleman until I get semi-autos, any Dos and Don'ts I should know about? Even for other classes
If you get more specific questions like what does X do, or why do people do Y, just ask here and we'll airdrop the info. Either that or check out: #1316881335306027078 message
Everytime you move and shoot, expect enemy players to look your direction
Especially shooting, since it's easy to triangulate shots
dont bugger around as SL
right, seems like the usual stuff for the genre
Speaking of, as a Squad player, I'm kinda dragging along that mentality as I play, are there any bad habits I should break from it?
DO pick any class, especially AT and Support if it's not filled.
DO try to shoot tanks only in the bum as much as possible, the only exception are the tanks with wheels, shoot those anywhere except the wheels.
idk squad so idk, what sort of habits did you pick up from it
I'm not too big of a SQUAD guy myself, but the biggest one I could point out right away is, unless there's really specific circumstances.
YOUR LIFE MEANS ABSOLUTE JACK IN THIS GAME. SPAWN -> RUN -> KILL -> DIE AND GOD DAMN REPEAT IT.
Don't be scared to push the point cause uwu there's someone shooting. Just shoot back and run.
i see
Way too many times I say "Push x" and these guys are slow walking in there like it's their highschool ball of '09
HLL isn't as nuanced with the gameplay systems (more immersive than tactical like Squad imo), so you'd be overprepared tbh
Neat
Can someone help me
Optional, it's for early testing of updates as they are available
Ok thanks!
#telegrams message example
Maybe include some tactics and not just push frontal to the position, but besides that you are right 😉
Yeah, I am a bit of a new squad leader.
how do you get that
cheers
If my name appears on the bottom left does that mean everyone can hear me?
Depends what color is it
green
Blue = local, so only friendlies nearby
Green = everyone in your squad, no matter where they are
Orange = You're in a squad lead position of some sort and you're talking to all other squad leads on the team
im not even holding anything tho
dk if thats broken or
js spawn in and it should get fixed
that's normally what i do or something just press c incase the keys stuck or something
or make sure in settings you have push to talk on (if that's even a setting i wouldn't know)
Rarely I have it happen when swapping between menus and yapping. Usually just tapping it to activate and instantly de-activate fixes it.
yh or spawning in
Should i just spawn in as anything or ?
Join a infantry squad that has a squad lead and then just ask what they need
id recommend rifleman
but im a D1 rifleman glazer
How can i tell if it has a squad lead?
In any case, you should be vocal with everyone in the squad, as in, asking if you don't know something, but usually priority follows something like:
AT
Support
Assault or MG
Engie (good for nodes and having the extra satchel)
Auto rifle
Rifleman
Medic
... I think I didn't miss any?
The role. It has like a chevron role
If you're looking at infantry squad specifically. Or you can join the squad and see if the SQUAD LEADER kit has been taken at 1/1
yh
that's anti tank i think
ah alr.
That's AT
officer/squad lead is like a horizontal line then like 2 or 3 downwards arrows beneath it
Ye, that's SL
that
alright
so i just join their thing and ask what they need, but what if i dont know how to do what they need.
In any case...
Talk, talk, talk. Ask questions about anything you need to. If your SL doesn't speak, tell him to go f himself and swap squads till you get one that does.
since rn i can only shoot basically
that sounds fun
don't be scared to ask questions
If you don't know what X is, ask about it.
If you don't know what Y is, ask about it.
If there's absolutely no squads in your team with a talking SL, then you can join one that's not talking and ask the questions here.
so swearing at others is very allowed im guessing?
absolutely
Depends on context
well that too
Is there a boundary that i shouldnt cross before i get banned?
Just like /irl/
but most if the time it is
slurs or really excessive swearing like every sentence
makes sense alr
Don't be a annoying modern gaming little bum and you'll be fine. Everything else is just the norm on the modern internet.
or if ur SL gets butthurt really easy then u might be cooked first thing
i love watching drama unfold in the squad
Alright ill go try and learn smth ig
go for it mate
have a fun time and if you want a good server to play on, go to 13SNC
Or community servers in general
dk i joined a server called smth like UKLL
ahh UK let loose
Then you'll most likely be fine
i just saw UK thought theyd speak english on there yk
just pray they don't sound like me (a midlander)
In #1273828697941606450 is a lot of usefull stuff, like what planes do what, how which Drops look like or the tanks of the each Nation.
I find it to be helpfull
if they have a heavy accent then ill teach you british
i dont really care tbh lol, ill sound worse since english isnt my native language
it can't get worse than midlander grumble trust me
And ive already encountered a problem i think, all of the units that have a squad lead are either full or locked and wont accept me
aw man
there is one unit but its only one guy as a squad lead?
Screw it, join and talk to the guy
probs someone who couldn't get in a squad himself so he js made one
ight ill give it a shot
go for it matey
yeah he aint talking
aw man that sucks
go for it
whats the one u said
aigh ill give it a shot
really friendly and accepting to new guys
go for it matey you'll have some good fun in there
East EU
That one kind of a ping.
oh cold what part
croatia
sick
yeah.
grrr a croat
they aren't all bad
jokes dw
ive met some and they were questionable but i like them
all good lmao
Better than poland for sure
ill always be biased to poles tho lol
xD
im like 50/50 my dads austrian but moms croatian, live in croatia tho
no shot
nice
Nah i am biased, dont worry
always wanted to go there, it looks really nice
alrighty
Depends where you go yk
Alright time to find a server
yh i int gonna go Dubrovnik
There is sometimes a chance that the squads get made in a way where you have some people left over and unable to join anything, but it's not a big deal.
You don't need to swap servers each time you don't have a squad to join.
It's just that under ideal circumstances you want to be in a already-led squad with someone who's not an idiot and then freely explore whilst shooting and asking questions inbetween.
At a later point you can pick up SL yourself, so you can do at least the basic stuff if it happens to be the case that there's nothing else to join.
dont touch dubrovnik like that man 😭
i was thinking Zagreb would be a safe bet
powerbits is a good eu one, or 82AD
bro ive seen the amount of geezers that go there i int going NEAR it
true
Mostly english?
yea
like all english
i play on those
Alright bet ill give it a shot
if it doesn't have another language in the name, assume it's english
just got refused from 82AD, bc of an unwritten rule
82AD Is >500 ping aswell 😭
BROTHER WHATT
i think its ur internet
powerbits is fine 20-40
i get 40 from belgrade
man tf im getting >500 in rijeka
again powerbits is good ping so ig ill go there
Dude'
well rijeka is weird
You're not playing from mcdonalds, you're legit playing from a japanese isekai
wtf
i swear if i see some balkan nationalism im gonna love it
hey, it was a nasty breakup
ngl.
yh shits crazy 😭
tf u mean it aint a bad thing
icl every single croat ive met irl is autistic asf and so brainrotted
i feel you.
idk what ur talking about, most ive met wanted to kill me
that balkan nationalism be strong
one of them asked me what my fav country was, i said Poland (i hate England PASSIONATELY) and he for mad at me for not saying Croatia
Alright so im going in im talking and im dieing correct?
they both looked like zukerberg
hell yeah brother
ight bet ill go try
go for it matey
what did u join?
powerbits
uh the one with like 90 people
the first one that popped up
yous seem like fun guys to play w icl yous are chill as
ight so either people cant hear me or i cant hear them or they just dont want to speak
yea most of the times new ppl dont want to speak
is ur name showing up at the bottom left
yh
u should also go to audio and set up your input
they can hear u and they just aren't replying
Oh yh i did that
sometimes it messes up
well thats just dumb.
yep
but it's just part of the game
yeah ig
that's why it's good to get a good group of people to play with so you won't get aired in game chat
is there like an LF channel or smth
there's a looking for unit channel
yea, and u can find ppl on here or in divisions
where tf is that im blind af
none rn left since no one was talking now im just in the thing to select a unit
USA or Germany?
usa
aigh ill join you
are u speaking? since i see your name down there but dont hear you
yes
check ur audio settings?
idk there might be sum in there
i hear you
dk its all good i think
damn
its set to the right device
idk then
dk ill restart game wait
ill join back in a min
dk i mean i hear the game perfectly just dont hear you at all
we joined a loosing game so
idk id say restart your game atp
yh i did im loading back into the server
cold
fr?
yea it just ended
can it restart or do we have to go to a different server
its restarting
germany
k i switched to ussr
lol
i cant switch team for 9min
well good luck!
aigh you 2
Alr i just realised i dont even hear myself when i do the microphone check
does ur microphone wire have a mute button on it?
yeah it does but its not muted
i mean i think its just i cant hear since he said he could hear me
just i cant hear him or others
how strange
very strange.
honestly idk, look on YouTube is what id do
aight ill try
yeah idk how to fix it, i cant hear others neither on my headphones or speakers
Do you have more than one audio input and output on windows?
yes
Thats broken anyway dw about it
alr i still cant hear others tho..
Fair enough are you getting the voip sever connection ?
yeah it says "connected"
cool you should be good if your mic works for other stuff you might need to fiddle with the mic volume and vc volume stuff
Do you see like 3 lighting bolts in blue when you hold down V or C?
mic works @gloomy crown said he can hear me but i couldnt hear him or anybody ellse
can you get a screen shot of your audio settings like so ?
yeah one sec
but yeah assuming you dont have you audio zerod out you offically have a weird onre
maybe unplug/erplug your headset if your using a usb connection (i'm scraping the barrel at this point) i assume you get normal game audio coming though just fine
yeah im getting normal audio fine ive tried replugging my speakers and headphones none works.
yep i did
Disable all other windows inputs/outputs besides the ones you wanna use.
alr wait
yeah hll only wants one of each
picky sod that it is
do i need to restart game?
would be a good idea anyway
Probably.
might wanna throw a full restart of the pc into the mix as well
dang i got my first kill and its time to restart
verify the files too just in case its software issue as well
and clear the catch i'll get you the guide in a sec
" 1.) Exit the Epic Games Launcher
2.) Press Windows key + R and type %localappdata%
3.) Open the Epic Games Launcher folder
4.) Open the Saved folder
5.) Click the webcache folder and delete it
6.) Restart your computer and open the Epic Games Launcher "
ive got 2 webcache folders do i delete both?
ones 3 years old 😭 unmodified
yeah that might be something to do with it
might not but its good practice to clear out the old stuff
alright im launching hll again
still cant hear others
im gonna go insane man 😭
😦 thats mad
try stero mono settings maybe
are you using some kind of surround sound 5.1 headphone thingy ?
my headphones are barely working rn at all dk im atleast trying to get my speakers to work
theyre all surround 4.1
See if this helps at all https://support.unity.com/hc/en-us/articles/7942576778388-Vivox-Player-Troubleshooting-Guide
Scenario
Experiencing connection issues or audio issues while using a voice integration, such as a released video game or mobile application.
Resolution
Contact the Application Developers
Unity doe...
nope
still doesnt work

looking for a group that works together
I just found a commander with no mic and no map trying to bunny hop on offense as if he was playing valorant, please tell me this isn't normal 😢
It's not. Are you on official servers?
Yes, the guy had the game on steam, he paid to do that...
I'd suggest joining community servers. More likely to know what they're doing and use a mic 😉
Hey guys, idk if this is the channel for it but I'm fairly new to the game. Played one match so far and had NO CLUE what was going on and nobody had mics 😂😂 would somebody be willing to squad up and teach me the ropes?
#console-looking-for-unit You may have better luck here 🙂 I wish you luck and have fun! 
Thank you!
@arctic otter this is what I see on steam (with Show Official and Show Community only. All empty and full and password are not showing)
Epic shows just 200 first apparently. If you put the filter to show community, you should see just those
ohhh rly now i checked
yeah i can count around 15k people now
i guess it is accurate
Lots of those are epic and gamepass, especially with the free on epic, so 🤷♀️
epic had the same issue of only showing 200 servers with squad too
sorry i had a brain fart didnt mean to put these here
All good. It seems like you had a good sniper game, I didn't understand the 2nd screen shot lol
yeah i got a good teammate who actually spoke and played his spotter role like he was supposed to
Nice! I try to do that - play Spotter, give folks a chance to play Sniper. 🙂
Hello everyone
pls somebody help me my game keeps getting fps stuttering whenever i shoot my gun
And if you have it installed on an HDD, consider moving it to an SSD
im a new player and would love to play with yall and learn how to play!
Any new players on PC wanna linkup?
Just downloaded the game yesterday, anybody know any good mandatory mic servers? The mic vs no mic experience in this game is night and day 🤣
If you're on xbox console, the Enlist menu has community servers - which a lot can be found https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/901308012575199262 & https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1278304805089181698
(the communities behind the servers)
does anyone know of a HLL server in Asia? I saw some on battlemetrics on hong kong but when I copy and paste the address into the server browser it says "unable to add"
It says "didnt find server at that address" but I'm copying the exact IP from battlemetrics
@surreal berry
Same
May be too many atm to populate
But check History.. it should show previous ones
If you have joined that server in the past, you may be able to find it there as a workaround
Hey guys Im new to the game, would anyone be down to play together??
Hey I'm new too wanna play?
Hello everyone! I'm a newcommer to this game. Want to play in squad. Find mates for game session on 20:00 ECT. Feel free to communicate
dude the AT can be used as artillery?
No
It's trajectory is too straight. There's not enough drop. It just goes out of the map till it hits the borders and gets removed.
you can hit targets 600 meters away though.
hello guys
i am new, i wanna play in a squad, im from eastern europe. hmu im down to play
Hey lads, i'm kinda new to the game and i like to play it more serious then running around on my own.
im sad
anyone trynna play im kinda new
@brave marsh ?
Is the console division recruitment chat just console players? That's all I'm seeing and I'm on PC
Probably don't have the channel selected to be added in the left for whatever reason. Just go to "Channels & Roles" in the top left of the channel list and find the #pc-divisions-recruitment, make sure there's a checkbox next to it.
Alternatively you can do Ctrl+T and look for the channel name to travel directly to it
Awesome thank you very much!
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I play PC and very new to the game, need a squad to show me the ropes.
It can be used as arty , but for 600-700m
For anyone new. The default controls are pretty terrible on console. A veteran helped me with the settings and then I tweaked it to something where I can get somewhat consistent headshots. Give it a try.
Can I forward this into https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1270189497719586908?
Sure
Of course it all comes down to preference but it's quick enough to look around fairly fast but steady enough on the ads to hit shots.
#1319067265311969342 message thanks @untold ravine!
hopefully it helps some folks out!
No problem glad to help
how do i identify the smaller grid
like if i want to say G6 then a smaller grid in there
G6, numpad 7 (I got this pic from https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1316881335306027078 so definitely check out their Discord server)
I'm on PC, and I've always used what it lists as "Console"
Why are they different???
Saying A-3-7 is bottom left in the first one and top left in the second
Yea but why are they different
Because numbers
thanks
is there any group that plays hell let loose keep getting tk'd by team mates looking for a squad to join
thanks man
In PC games historically people have used the numpad on their keyboards as a reference. On console I suppose people intuitively think about their phone's keypad instead of a keyboard's keypad.
guys, do you have any tip for leveling up as assault? (besides building nodes)
also, either I'm goin crazy or throwing grenades increases your score
Nope
hi, is there a way to report toxic players?
yes
how do i do that if they already left the game?
so you just
what?
and then you
ahhh right, ty for extraordinary help
no report button for players outside of the game youd both be currently in : /
hopefully they adding a social tab n a recently played with screen would be a w
Go engineer everytime, build nodes, everything you do after will gain more points , due to this act.
Hi, quick question:
Are there RP servers for HLL?
Thats it....nothing else 🤷
If I am looking to find people to play with, whats the best option? Use the looking for unit section or barracks?
I’ll play with you. I work a lot but I tend to have time
Exp servers. Getting assault 9 is cringe for how long it takes vs how good it is.
Not really
Is it possible to make one?
Like for example GTA has Fivem
I mean define RP. Like what type of roleplay
Well yes, but to make it role-play it whould be quite a challange. First you need to rent a server then you whould have to get administrators to help moderate. But the hardest part is to get players that want to roleplay
No. Not like fivem. Modding capabilities are non existent. Private server admins can’t even spawn vehicles, that’s where the custom side of things are at.
why do some recruitment posts mention deployments
is there some mode i dont know about?
hmm ok, thought it looked off
What? I use 10 keyless keyboards.. Idk what the numpad looks like anymore lol
and people know what you mean?
Maybe I've been giving bad callouts for 4 years 🤷♂️
how i get inn a game
Click on enlist then wait in queue for a server
i waited 10 min how long it take
HLL is a slow game, it depends on what server you choose, if the queue is full, etc.
Slow paced game I mean
Saaame xD
lö
hi, i can get banned by playing some rounds in those building servers?
No
didnt found any rule saying thats against the rules
It's not, it's just pathetic
pathetic grinding levels for different virtual guns. you log on after your 50 hour work week and PLAY PROPERLY!!!
Don't grind, just play the game. They'll come over time.
Yeah just a couple hundred hours until you get that flamethrower
Abu you know it ain't that bad
Is there a way that steam and epic players can play together (by being in the same game/team)?
Sorry, one and a half hundred hours.
So literally just find the same server and play together
Yup everyone on pc is in the same pool of severs epic and steam
Well if both were on steam you could use "friend - - > join game.
That's why I'm asking.
You can on steam... With steam people and if the server has space. Not always able to.
Steam players can "link" their Epic account ingame, to accept and receive invites from Epic friends to a server
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Does building nodes go towards your class XP? Like say I build up 3 nodes, then switch to machine gunner, will that give me class XP or just level XP?
Class XP.
Node build and switch is a method often used to grind up assault class, AT class etc. a bit quicker
Both
It'll contribute to your Support score which will give you level XP, and the passive XP gained from the nodes also goes to the class XP
Just downloaded the game, have almost no idea what I’m doing besides pulling the trigger lol
Welcome! I recommend this video #telegrams message as a quick basic guide
& plenty more in https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1273828697941606450 as well, but feel free to ask if you have any questions about anything 🙂
Thanks man! Are there any groups/squads to join, no one I’ve been playing with has a mic lol
There's a bunch of communities (who often have their own servers in-game) - https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/334495387484291083
& a LFG channel - https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/600902429520822303
Community servers > Official servers 👍
is there an option to change the ingame language?
wtf, I was sure there was the option... for a time I was playing with German language in the further past, just to know the correct GER names for the objectives and stuff. But now I can't find that option anywhere either. Am I blind as well, did I forget or did they remove it?
If you'd like to change the language from English to another supported language when playing the game via the Epic store but don't know how
Give it time. You’ll get it.
These launch args work on
I believe as well @delicate juniper
wasn't there an in-game language setting in the far past though?
I am rly puzzled now
I'm not sure 😔
Not sure if it's based on what is set for the OS default language, or if it's platform, or game-dependent
Yeah, it's a little bit of a sacrifice at the start of each round. But that passive xp goes a long way!
There is a way to make solo nodes in about 5 minutes - even without a supply truck. It's good to have this under your sleeve
7.5 minutes at minimum when doing it alone
+some seconds to get into a good position first
It can be done flat 5 - #1316881335306027078 message
it takes 2.5 minutes to refresh the Support's box next to a manpower node = 7.5 minutes
I also hammer up to 99% meanwhile and deploy the boxes as soon as they are ready but it never takes 5 minutes
ever
Follow the guide and see for yourself
if you show me a full 5m long non-edited video with all 3 nodes built at the end by yourself, I will believe you
1st
It's around 5min 25s
Has to be very efficient
The steps are there - up to you to follow or not
I don't believe you man, nope
it takes 2.5m for a box to refresh so how could you possibly get it faster?
All good man, other players can try for themselves then. 7.5min is way too long for me at the start of every match
So I found a way to do it faster
Is this for 1 person to build all 3 nodes switching b/w support and engineer?
yes and he claims he can do it in 5m25s which is BS
EDIT: It was me who was telling BS xD
Well idk, I'm sure the comp people have it dialed in
the is not way terchnically - if the man is alone he can't get a supply box faster than in 2.5 minutes
3 boxes needed for 3 nodes = 7.5 minutes at the very least
Sorry, it's just wrong
You drop the supply box as soon as you spawn in
That's the general trick that most people don't think of
still takes 2.5 minutes to refres the same as other 2 boxes
Regardless, it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things 😅
This is a waste of time - simple math to me
As far as new players are concerned, min maxxing is a comp thing
You get a free box from the start
Then the other 2 boxes are 5 minutes
So whatever time it takes you to put the first box down. That is just added on
That's true, you don't wait for the initial box
I am actually wrong 😄
forgot to take that into consideration, should have thought before typing 🥶
It's like getting complimentary breakfast at a hotel
It's alright man, try the video steps. I think the steps are in the description also
The best I've ever done it is in about 5m10s
no need to, I am doing it almost the same way, I just got the timing math wrong
But public matches are hard because someone might take engineer or support
Then you have to find another squad quickly
however there can be another problem with doing it with Support 1st, Engineer after - sometimes when there are like-minded people, they build the blueprints first because they place them after getting Engi role 1st
Yeah, I added 15 seconds to allow for that
But yeah, 5m10s is about the mark
Quick nodes, switch out to assault or MG (whatever)
If you do it every match. Every second counts
Plus, getting your blueprints down first to beat the other engineers in trucks
Not always an issue though
I run a discord that has various resources on the game - we just try to help people out since it's a very difficult game to start playing
HLL E-tool?
Ye
so you are the runner of it... since I have you here - do you have any table with data of how many AT rifle rear hits it takes to take out each tank's type engine?
I was trying to search for the info but didn't find it anywhere and I can't get the numbers without help of at least 1 another player
The only place I know of good sources is videos and the Tank Bible. I'm slowly working on a resource like this thiugh
AT rifles are great at taking out engines
I could help you with this specific one if you wanted to, I would be recording it too so we could all see the amount of damage to the engine real time as it happens
I think heavy tanks have specific areas where you need to target to take out the engine in two shots
There is also achilles heel shots
You'll find some info out there, but it's all on the OG tanks mostly
yeah, I heard there are weakspots on the tanks but I never cared to look for them... I am usually using the satchel anyway
Yeah cool, create a ticket in etool and we can slowly put something together
This is golden.
Works great. Thank you very much.
hey guys, did they fix the mic test feature not working yet?
Not being able to check what my mic sounds like while tweaking settings has been really annoying!
Make sure your game is updated. They sent out a VOIP update so see if that fixes it.
how do i actully like geinto a community for this game
Go to the console or pc divisions recruit channels. It’s advertising for private communities.
Just ask to join one you like the look of. They all want recruits.
If you really want to join a big one look at seasonal or apl tournament discords for clan lists.
Hello! We're a group of 3, relatively new to the game (since it was free on Epic), looking for other players to complete our squad, ppl who speak and are noob friendly to help us learn the game better 🙂 What's the best way to find potential squad mates?
#pc-looking-for-unit for some people to fill the squad or #pc-divisions-recruitment for something for permanent
That sounds weird but you get what i mean.
Hello I am looking for a aquad
#pc-looking-for-unit that what youre looking for.
Awesome thanks! 🙂
Hi I'm looking for a squad, and I just play one game so I don't know a lot about the game
ops I'm sorry
There seriously needs to be level capped new player servers
question. Are there groups to join and play with consistently? Similar to a Company or Guild w/e
You can find a clan who would have people who play all the time. #pc-divisions-recruitment has ads and you can find a place you fit.
what does that camera symbol mean?
Admin camera. They can fly and observe the game.
The game is not crossplay between consoles and pc
is there any good server for engineers?
lfg
is the game save file stored locally or online? im playing from epic
theres a new update requiring downloading same size as the current game size, im afraid if i uninstall n reinstall (since i got no space) i might lose my progress
you wont
How come some servers don't show for me on the server list but show for my friend? I even type the exact name on my server filter and it doesn't show. We're trying to find servers with decent ping for both because I'm in NY and he's in China
Settings are stored locally. Your progress etc. is stored online
Do you play through epic?
steam
Does he?
yes
Epic serverbrowser only loads in about 200 servers at a time, while steam loads all. It doesn't mean you cant play together
Can’t you just type the same name and refresh? Save the ones you like to favourites?
Anyone wanna play
#console-looking-for-unit or #console-divisions-recruitment for a Clan/community
Rahhh get in there boys give em hell
Oh man. I hate it when people spawn kill arty position. (but I guess me and my team mate were quite good if they came to hunt us down)
Man, I cannot see a damn thing with these iron sights lol
Thank god M1 Garand was 30-06
If your on arty....your a legitimate target.
anyone down to play?
Like about half the actually useful recon players just go and mess with arty and pull down nodes like its some kinda benny hill skit
Correct
Anyone looking to play?
Hello, new to this game from the epicgames gift. My microphones gives no sound to other player, nobody hear me. It work in EVERY game, just not this one. No VPN, VOIP disconnected/reconnected, reset windows audio settings... I don't know what to do, I'm getting banned from servers for having no microphone while my microphone worth the price of a car... wtf
Should of used all that "worth the price of a car" money to hire a dev at T17 to fix this
🙌
Hold on, is the microphone disabled in the audio settings of the game or does it say "CONNECTED"
the game always defaults to a weird sound driver, so i have to manualy switch to my headset, then it works
thats really weird
for me it worked okay out of the box, actually no at first i did have to mess around a bit but it worked eventually