mess-hall

[finite berry]

nope :D

[analog apex]

something we tested with @slate canopy just now

[covert elbow]

We just have dollar store mortars because the devs can’t add new models and animations for some reason

How does T17 dissapoint in everything

They saw little Timmy’s suggestions and said “yea that’ll work great!”

[finite berry]

It unironically would be so much better if it were actual mortars instead of just artillery guns xDD

[fervent dagger]

Probably worth assuming these features aren’t final. If they were they would have mentioned them.

[silk igloo]

im sure they could change it with one button as soon as they wished, it's just a model, animation, turn speed, etc

or a purple box that does thing

[covert elbow]

It would solve the issue immediately

[finite berry]

I don't know who said it, but someone in VC said that T17 might have accidentally added this artillery change too early to the experimental branch

[covert elbow]

We’ve learned that if it’s in the experimental branch it’s almost always final

Unless it’s like slight numbers tweaking

This is simply what’s been proven over the past what… 4 years?

[silk igloo]

or they sneakily added it to see the reactions of the very few who actually notice it

[finite berry]

It's crazy because this change is literally a big chunk of what we asked for. But because it's using the wrong model, it just looks utterly ridiculous. Like, how do they mess it up that hard xD

[novel geyser]

The art changes were intended for a future test so...... please be mortars and they just havent added everything properly yet

[past veldt]

"we"

[covert elbow]

Nope

[novel geyser]

sobbing

[finite berry]

Yes, we

[covert elbow]

They had a green outline for the arty guns

It’s definitely just them keeping arty

[finite berry]

I have repeatedly argued in favour of arty removing and adding mortars, so I count myself in

[silk igloo]

ahh, the ridiculous part of an arty gun is semantics, they just want to test it out

[finite berry]

That, on the other hand, would be extremely based and

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-welcome-one-sure-gif-13921142

[covert elbow]

I swear it’s the monkeys paw

“Hey can we have this thing”

“Sure but we’re going to do it in one of the worst ways possible”

And people are excited for Vietnam????

[finite berry]

I mean, people are even excited for Yarnhub's generic nonsense ww2 shooter, so why wouldn't they be excited for HLLV xD

[slate canopy]

Because Vietnam will have mortar 👀

[silk igloo]

you're just negative, ninja. people keep harassing t17 despite them shaking up things, like with the obj mode test where they had blue zone extend around the middle red

[finite berry]

Stationary mortars in HQ and artillery that you can freely place in the jungle

T17 should hire me for my genius suggestion

[slate canopy]

I dont know the extent of it buuuut It lists: ...choose from one of 19 specialised roles within a 50-strong team made up of multiple squads. Join or lead infantry, recon, armour, mortar squads and helicopter units....

[silk igloo]

we've been left in the dark for so long that we're supposing things as a hardcoded limitation that nobody can do anything about. need an angry dev like jambax to tell us whats what

[thin lotus]

at this point, any functional experiments that are being tested in HLL can be safely assumed is for the true implementation into HLLV

[silk igloo]

no, that's just the thing i mean, you cant assume that

[thin lotus]

map 'refreshes' is literal drip feed for this game. Especially if its for maps that players didnt play before, nor will after it's "refresh"

[thin lotus]

if they'd have wanted player set-up mortars in HLL, they'd have already said so.
But as pointed out, they're directly marketing mortars inclusion as part of the next game. It's the same thing to an extent as showing bayonet being a thing in their first trailer.

[arctic rampart]

I mean idk, seeing how much will be "refreshed" in Remagen, I would call it like a Friday update, not some big thing

Don't even see why it's worth doing some test on it. It legit just adds 2 bridges

[thin lotus]

I dont think V's mortars will be physical explosive projectiles flying through the air, so this mucking around with 'stationary' arty in HLL's test branch is them trying to figure out how the hell they are going to implement mortars in Vietnam

[silk igloo]

They're not a monolith though. The obj test was done by one guy, they said, and it's not like they will change the game as they will just to suit their wants. If anything they've been careful in "maintaining the core of HLL" because they dont want to upset Chum

[thin lotus]

thats because it's performative development

[slate canopy]

@analog apex I think that should have been in #1479100453147906078 😬 Not #1445732994269712505

[thin lotus]

It wouldn't upset me in the slightest if they deviated from "core HLL".
"Core HLL" is awful

[analog apex]

ddaaaaamn
I misread

gonna fix it

[finite berry]

Don't you think it's a bit late for that? I'd assume they have done that already considering a bigger team is working on HLLV

[slate canopy]

I'll delete the one once you repost lol

[mellow knoll]

How to say fook you to your previous playerbase in a nutshell ig xD

You want mortars? Here, we'll put it in the next game instead of the one you're interested in.

[analog apex]

I reposted, thanks for the headsup and for the deletion!

[finite berry]

Take my :D

[slate canopy]

Thank you

[thin lotus]

BIgger team? 5 devs instead of 4

[silk igloo]

Well, me neither, but everyone is so grump and hostile to any byte of change its no wonder we're here

[finite berry]

🤷‍♂️ Don't you think V's team is a bit bigger?

[thin lotus]

yes 25% bigger

[arctic rampart]

I like peppermint icecream

[covert elbow]

Because it’s usually 70% bad change with some good ideas sprinkled in

[arctic rampart]

Conquest will save hll /s

[covert elbow]

Like they can make something good, but they keep mucking it up somehow

[arctic rampart]

I like the new squad creation UI

and the invite-only squads. They're quite nice

[covert elbow]

Only issue is that the photos should be faction related, no have each squad type be of one faction

[obtuse dragon]

people used to say the same about the objectives gamemode

1 entire year ago...

[arctic rampart]

No, that's not an issue at all actually

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/all-quiet-on-the-western-front-paul-baumer-paul-bäumer-live-reaction-gif-27135472

[silk igloo]

you guys are just so bloody negative

[arctic rampart]

It's an improvement if someone gets bored on a friday afternoon

[arctic rampart]

Ey, I wasn't being sarcastic. It's actually not bad

[covert elbow]

No that had some great elements that should have been transferred over to offensive. It’s a genuine shame that it’s seemingly been scrapped

[analog apex]

I believe he meant it as sarcasm :/

[obtuse dragon]

ik ik

[arctic rampart]

Also, I feel a bit weird, but also enjoy the changes they've done to Carentan and PHL

For me... it somehow still feels new, even though I'm pretty sure it's been ages ago since those were made, especially the Carentan stuff

Oh! and

Can't forget about picking back up supplies.

Maybe it's a basic af feature, but we were missing it for ages.
And, maybe late, but at least it's in now.

Very, very good thing to have around new players and experienced, but painfully thoughtless boomers

[worthy charm]

Its the HLL discord

thats how its gotta be

[arctic rampart]

I mean, rather be that, then some normie infested fakery that is the helldivers discord

[slate canopy]

Negative 👏 Negative 👏 Negative 👏 WE LOVE IT.

[obtuse dragon]

Nothing ever happens

[arctic rampart]

I mean shet. I just tried being positive. Didn't see any of you f'ers chiming in

[silk igloo]

Well I'm not. You shouldn't be either. I'm just one man, what, should I instil courage and faith to all of you here so you should face everything in life with more positivity?

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-gif-4408076016540863651

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/iDRRvQuzzSy.gif

[slate canopy]

https://giphy.com/gifs/GDgLCrDf3s5Ko

[arctic rampart]

If I send the same gif again is it considered spam? Cause that's what I really want to do

Also wtf is this? #1479518196343242917 message

[silk igloo]

im going to adopt you and beat you with fatherly love

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/zjP1fuOnPO.gif

[silk igloo]

not like that

[thick stream]

Hey y'all how're ya...

.nvmnd

[arctic rampart]

But yeah, lil' bro is stating that no one has ever asked for more more bridge crossings...

10/10 people complain that you get into an infinite stalemate at the bridge, whilst being camped by arty and the only way to get out of it being an airhead.
This mfer states that it's not the case...

[novel geyser]

it certainly gets hard to believe what is what when all these limitations seem to change
BM saying a shooting range wasnt possible for security reasons or something like that
They cant make the bridge on remagen the only strong point because its hard coded
and yet T17 has managed to do both of those

[covert elbow]

Oh BM absolutely just used that as an excuse to not do more work

Like I’m not giving any hopes to the HUNGER players with how HLL was treated

[arctic rampart]

if map == "Remagen" then
cap.mid = 2
end

[novel geyser]

that game looks like total dookie man its funny

[novel geyser]

funny how thats probably what T17 did lmao
the other two points do exist it just always defaults to the bridge unless specifically chosen before the map loads

[arctic rampart]

Like the point choosing thing ain't that complicated

This isn't some low level OS type shii

But none the less, it'll be cool if it'll always be mid.

But I don't get the biching about the two extra crossings.

[covert elbow]

I still don’t get why their making the bridge the hard point if we have multiple crossings now

[analog apex]

or just save it into the Map's entity object as another parameter - the limit setup of the sectors

[covert elbow]

Like the bridge should absolutely not always be the hardpoint now

[arctic rampart]

Because every other historical andy is crying that that's the whole point of the map

[gray lagoon]

The other points are pretty cramped along the river

[covert elbow]

It is but that’s besides the point

We asked for the bridge to always be the hardpoint because that was the only way to cross and having the map be won by the roll of the dice was stupid design

But now that we have multiple crossings the bridge doesn’t all ways need to be the point

[covert elbow]

That’s because of HLL’s dog water grid system which also needs to go

[arctic rampart]

I also have a feeling that the way the zones are going to be sctructured, if the points were either side it would be really hard to flank and cap since garry spots would be HELLA limited

[silk igloo]

it'd be a bit more interesting to have the side caps on either side, sure, but even in their internal testing it's probably unfair to the one who gets mid on their side.

that one pic of conquest mode having 2 sub objectives per one capture point was pretty interesting

[covert elbow]

I’d love to see that in other gamemodes

[gray lagoon]

Is conquest mode on remagen going to use the two side objectives?

[silk igloo]

its not like it would work out, but i'm glad to see that they're willing to experiment with wild things

[silk igloo]

No word. Maybe they'll just make it 3 caps along the middle, or 5 zones in an X shape instead of an +

[arctic rampart]

Smells like chaos brewing

[analog apex]

the consequences of the constraints of the bad sector system, that has used the grid and squareShaped sectors only, and limited to 15 no matter what 🙁

[cosmic pilot]

Argh

No, bad

More points gooder

[silk igloo]

if the sector system was gone, what's the best win condition that doesnt let the enemy team to just cheese and bypass your team

[analog apex]

the sector system doesn't need to be gone, just overhauled to use different sizes and counts for each map

[cosmic pilot]

Conquest should have 5 strong points but allow some randomness in their placement

[cosmic pilot]

They said they tried this for conquest

[analog apex]

randomness... I already see the circle generated in the river 😄
with these devs one never knows

[cosmic pilot]

But thought it was too much so they went back to 4x4 grids

[analog apex]

then it will never ever work well

[cosmic pilot]

Conquest doesn't need to work "well" it just needs it to be so it's constantly moving

[silk igloo]

For me, it's either copying the frontline system from the Wargame series, or having the game decided by who can get their garry snake pushed into enemy HQ

[analog apex]

in its current form I don't think any many peeps will play it

[cosmic pilot]

If you have too many strong points too close together you can actually end up in a situation where you feel obligated to protect one strong point that your squad just captured

[cosmic pilot]

Sad hyrum noises

[novel geyser]

naval warfare

[analog apex]

so no matter if the sector system works well or bad in it, the gamemode itself will probably die... like SKIRMISH

[silk igloo]

If they only run it on open maps, it'll be far better. Like Foy, Kursk, El alamein, Elsenborn. Tobruk and Kharkov even.

[analog apex]

yeah, maybe

but still, I think its overall play will kill it

[obtuse dragon]

please god don't let them rework the other soviet maps please god please

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[analog apex]

"rework" is becoming another word for "ruining" here

the only overhaul/rework they did well so far, was the MG bipodding, but still needs some small fixes they seem to refuse to do

[silk igloo]

On the open maps, where you can have a frontline, you can stay alive wounded much longer because the enemy is that much farther away. It makes little difference to wait, the enemy wont run over the wide field so easily. Not when both teams are spread over the whole map. On Foy conquest made so much more sense than on Carentan

[obtuse dragon]

They made stalingrad historically inaccurate and run worse than before but added bipods for 2 weapons

10/10 update

Now they messed up carentan and... messed up carentan

[nova pivot]

They messed up carentan?

[obtuse dragon]

wait no

i forgot the name

[nova pivot]

The bridge map

[obtuse dragon]

Yes, the bridge map that i barely play because literally no one plays it

[honest pecan]

Remagen is one of the more fun maps tbh

[obtuse dragon]

i've played like 6 games on that map

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/why-is-he-lying-wong-gif-5558347777370316415

[honest pecan]

filtered..

no, like, unironically, it has a fun gimmick

[worthy charm]

Its not that bad

Enough people wanted more bridges

it is the obvous thing to do

[honest pecan]

i think more crossings ruins the map

[obtuse dragon]

most games i had on that map there was a shthead spamming explosives from that hill that we can't reach with the AT

[honest pecan]

they should have just moved the cap to the middle (which i didnt like either), the worst outcome would have been more crossings + moving the cap to the middle

[novel geyser]

the obvious thing but I dont think it was the best thing to do

most suggestions I saw to help the map would be player involved, so buildable bridges or boats/amphibious vehicles rather than just pre placed extra bridges

[arctic rampart]

That's just beyond a stupid opinion. There's not a single world in which adding more bridges was worse than having just one.
Sure, by some still untested imaginary thought process, it's not the perfect solution, but saying it actively makes it worse is just braindead

[novel geyser]

I personally think all it needed gameplay wise was making the bridge the only mid point

[worthy charm]

More crossings maybe arent the best thing, but better than the map staying as airhead heavy as it is currently.

Airheads are such a boring thing...

[novel geyser]

true
I dont doubt that the extra crossings will make the map flow better
but really it just needed the capture point change... which they did

[worthy charm]

Only thing worse would be a recon tank with 100 supplies

oh wait...

:}

[oak current]

eh, I still think you'll get mowed down on the side bridges

no cover, long traversal time and people from across the map see you

[cedar ore]

I was saying earlier, it would be great for the new gamemode, but not for the current gamemodes

[arctic rampart]

It was legit trash cause of 3 reasons:

• Airhead heavy gameplay, since it was 1 of 2 ways to get across, one that's easily countered btw
• Tanks sniping from the mountain
• Only 1 crossing that was too easy to hold

[honest pecan]

i think this is one of those things you generally should expect because theyre logical but in practice no one bothers

[arctic rampart]

If they fix or at least partially resolve 2 out of 3 of these, we're in a better state than we were before in

[oak current]

Remagen would be a lovely map for Company of Heroes or other Strategy Games, but in an FPS...it'll be hard

[worthy charm]

Now I might actually play the map with tanks

[arctic rampart]

1 mg gunner, 3 AT's. Brilliant RTS map

[worthy charm]

usually I just sat on the hill and shat down onto people with SPAs

[cedar ore]

Did I miss this? Are they adding that??

[oak current]

for people who want to go through their tech tree a bit first and then send a trickle of units over the bridge every so often

[worthy charm]

There is a "new" addition to the blowtorch class of the crewman.

[oak current]

think there was actually a map like Remagen in CoH or MoH....Adler Bridge? something like that

[arctic rampart]

Red Ball Express >>>>
if you know, you know

[worthy charm]

THe addition is a crate

:}

[cedar ore]

Ohhh right yeah

I mean I don’t find that terrible

It’s not really utilised, at least from what I’ve seen

[worthy charm]

People in pubs are kinda bad tho

[cedar ore]

True

[worthy charm]

With one spotter that has a brain and a fully crewed recon tank are so strong in the enemy backline

Free redzone garrisions basicly

[analog apex]

yep and since it takes even 3 rockets to take out now, they can do a lot of damage

[cedar ore]

I can see this being really useful damn

[silk igloo]

its funny, it feels like all the games that came long before, games that had maps the sizes of shoeboxes like Day of Defeat, were more realistic than all the games these days that have huge maps but only a platoon facing a platoon, where there ought to be an entire battalion

[arctic rampart]

Yup.
So in otherwords, we should make Planetside 2 popular again

[worthy charm]

Its 2

except your bad

:}

[analog apex]

I never use rockets, I say only what I saw

I use satchels always and hop on the scout cars when I can and plant while the vehicle is moving

[cedar ore]

Yeah it’s 2, it’s just because the wheels are pretty easy to accidentally hit

[analog apex]

I use rockets only very rarely

[arctic rampart]

Ye it's 2 rockets, which is strong as hell 😄

But rocket >>> satchel?

[cedar ore]

I’m pretty sure wheels are very easy to destroy actually

From when I’ve been in a recon at least

[arctic rampart]

Oh yeah they are. I think it's 1 rocket and they're gone. But it's just the fact that they eat it up

[analog apex]

useless, the ycan still run away and repair as it doesn't immobilize them

[arctic rampart]

It's 2 shots in the body now unless it's from the back

[cedar ore]

It’s possible but a lot more difficult

[arctic rampart]

Which is very strong. Can dive into hardcaps even more now

[analog apex]

you can't immobilize the vehicles by killing their wheels/tracks

[cedar ore]

and because there’s now 3 different infantry types which can take out any tank it’s even more difficult

[cedar ore]

Not in a recon

You can still go about 5-8 kmh

[arctic rampart]

They just get forced to 1st gear right?

[cedar ore]

Yeah

For some reason tracks don’t immobilise, just stick to 1st

Engine immobilises

[arctic rampart]

But recon 1 shotting lights with HE in the butt is still the best piece of knowledge you can have

[cedar ore]

But at that point you’re also gonna destroy the tank

[analog apex]

it's how it's been developed, intentionally by the devs - stupidly though

[cedar ore]

All we need is a different section for each track, would be much more interesting

The thing is, you just need to repair the track a tiny bit and you can instantly go full speed again

So damaging tracks is almost completely useless

[analog apex]

would still require systme where the tank is capable of driving +considering one of the tracks is gone - I think it's beyond the capabilities of these devs

but otherwise, yep

[cedar ore]

Yeahhhh

I mean if I want a more complicated tank battle, I’ll go to post scriptum

But I still enjoy HLL tank battles, even if they are majorly simplified

[arctic rampart]

Tanks: HEAT?
nvm

[analog apex]

maybe, but it doesn't need to be SQ44 deep for the tanks to be immobilized when we kill their tracks/wheels

[cedar ore]

The only problem is what would be the point of the engine if the tracks do the same thing

Only difference is engine also damages hull

[analog apex]

engine could also cause fire

and force the crew to go out or slowly die inside

[cedar ore]

I’d like that but also I don’t think it would work in HLL

you’d get shot immediately if you tried to put it out

Post scriptum usually doesn’t have that problem as much

[analog apex]

could be doable inside the vehicle too, but would take one crewman to do it

and only 1x

[cedar ore]

It would be interesting if one of the crewmen would become unable to do their job if they did it

for the period of time that they do it

But then it could just be the spotter

Idk it just kinda feels like it would be very difficult to implement a good system which would make sense for the tanks

I would LOVE if the tanks worked the same as post scriptum, but at the same time, the hell let loose tanks are unique because they are different

[finite berry]

If you lose only one track, you can still at least move in circles (which can help tremenduously with aiming and keeping infantry at bay)

[finite berry]

That would force tankers to either cooperate with infantry or suffer. I see that as a positive outcome

[forest loom]

I am having issues installing this game with epic launcher, every time finish downloading the game, it starts the verify process and then download the whole game again. Any solutions?

[cedar ore]

True

[past vortex]

thats not normal at all
how exactly?
is your ram stable ?

[thick stream]

~kinda random question, but are there any HLL in-game servers that exist that aren't run by misogynistic fragile men? or is this just expected in most war games(?) leme know, if not, then my loss 🤌

[past veldt]

@dusty bolt

Glow is only fragile

[novel geyser]

it may just be the case for most games unfortunately 😔

especially war games

[slate canopy]

I'd say most servers are fine, I just don't take their crap.

[thick stream]

ye, most of the time i just push on by cuz im just here to have a good time whilst kickin butt with some folks 🌸

[slate canopy]

I mean, I've had game on Hill 400 and a commander said "Maybe moan for your support player to drop supplies" 🙃 I immediate told him off.

[thorny forum]

Wild work...

[slate canopy]

yup! lol

I've been TK'd because I'm a woman... I've been vote kicked from command role because I'm a woman (despite we were winning)

but I'd say that 49/50 games, no issues.

[real trench]

do they not have the clan recruitment thing anymore or am i blind?

[slate canopy]

In here? #1343089641489961001

[thick stream]

yikes

[viscid cobalt]

cant you just use a voicechanger

[slate canopy]

Why? I'm not ashamed of being female 🤔 I've played PC games and online games for over 20 years.

[viscid cobalt]

if you use a voicechanger people wont tk you

[slate canopy]

Or maybe people shouldn't tk because it's rude?

[viscid cobalt]

you cant make people not tk you

[slate canopy]

Correct, but doesn't change it's rude and unneccesary.

[viscid cobalt]

hll without tk wouldnt be hll

[cyan saddle]

crazy discussion ngl

[past vortex]

some dont act on it that much :}

[slate canopy]

Hiiii Abuuuuu~

[past vortex]

admins do

hey gobbo

[cyan saddle]

Heeeyyyy~

[covert elbow]

We should just immediately ban any and all people who say a single swear

That would solve all the issues

[thick stream]

https://tenor.com/view/he-looks-strange-stunned-look-surprise-strange-gif-38708524106387845

[viscid cobalt]

unfunny gif

[thick stream]

incorrect

tis a great gif

[slate canopy]

Classic 🤌

[real parrot]

Me after entering the internet, seeing how is, infact, as toxic as ever:

Is toxic to everyone lol

[real parrot]

wym I help you redeploy so you can switch to support

[forest loom]

Yes, my ram is stable I can play other games and download other games through Epic Launcher. HLL is around 33Gs, after 33Gs is fully downloaded and verify process is finished then the pak file on the hard drive is removed, and then the download progress bar increase to 66G and continue to download. Epic Launcher show an error and stop downloading when it reached downloading around 120Gs.

[real parrot]

Does this only happens with this game? Do you have another drive where you can install the game?

It may be a faulty drive

[past vortex]

naw, people like gobbo are not the majority, not at all

[real parrot]

Wtf is gobbo

I keep hearing that

[past vortex]

the newly resident troll who made his home here after being banned by jorviktus
drops by daily

[forest loom]

It happened to other games with large size, at least as large as HLL. I tried to install on both HDD and SSD, both are having the same issue

[real parrot]

Have you tried insatalling games on another platform or another programs?

[past vortex]

that really sounds like ram errors tho

[forest loom]

I just installed Detroit: Become Human from steam and played it, which is close to 60Gs

[past vortex]

(or pcie/sata errors, but more unlikely)

[real parrot]

I'll recommend uninstalling Epic games and installing it again on another drive if you can, just to be sure

[real parrot]

I'm by no means an expert, but can't you do a memory test to the RAM in case you think its failing?

If that the case, I suppose that would also help narrowing down the problem

[past vortex]

yea you can, unfortunatly its not guaranteed to detect all kinds of errors
some ram erros only occur with very specific usage patterns

but yea i would totally do a ram test

windows has even one built in

[forest loom]

thanks I am gonna try that

[lusty viper]

Vet opinion of game now vs back then

Game is much smoother. Tanks don't rubber band and drive smoother. Artillery feels better if not same just mobile option.

Trolls will die off as the vets come back. They finally removed it from gamepass in what I think is expectation of releasing Vietnam and that could potentially drive sales of HLL but not if it's on gamepass

Honest opinion I want Vietnam to be good but keeping my reservations because it will be solely t17 no black matter. I think tbh 70% chance it sucks but even if it sucks or is good it will drive people into hell let loose

[analog blade]

no rubber banding?😅 The slightly smoother driving only applies to traversing steep objects, and definitly excludes the stuart

[lusty viper]

Might Wana check ur wifi then

Because I airplay on an s25 with a controller Bluetooth to it playing on euro servers and 0 lag and rarely any rubber banding if any since I came back

Dunno if ur year 1 console or not I was

[analog blade]

i dont use wifi, direct cable connection 1gbs fibre optics

[lusty viper]

Day 1 actually

[analog blade]

but maybe someone else in the tank can cause it

your on xbox btw

[lusty viper]

I dunno how ur getting rubber banding then if im playing off Verizon data on euro servers with no lag

[analog blade]

its a different build

[lusty viper]

Ahh so pc rubber banding still a thing?

[analog blade]

yes definitly

[lusty viper]

Xbox version feels 1000% better (coming back from a 2 year break)

Only reason I came back was i heard they finally took it off gamepass

[past veldt]

Rubberbanding has absolutely nothing to do with your internet connection. It's a server performance issue

[lusty viper]

Completely ignored the point just to nit pic me? Point is game is much healthier on consoles now

[analog blade]

yeah thats what i heard too

[lusty viper]

And just to inform you since it seems u think rubber banding is only from servers

Rubber banding is primarily caused by a synchronization failure between the game client and the server, resulting from either a poor user internet connection (high latency/packet loss) or overloaded game servers

It can be both

Ya know the thing they call research and the phone ur typing messages on. Try it sometime

[analog apex]

Even on the test dev branch server, I managed to get the temporary high ping bug, despite my internet was fine. It happens on live servers too, a day or two ago it made half of a server population kicked due high ping setting - everything was fine for at least an hour, then jsut before the match end it happened.

During those temporary ping spikes it's rubberbanding as hell.

...and teleporting

[past veldt]

It's okay, I believe you

🫂

Oh wait no, I'll believe my thousands of hours across hundreds of servers in HLL

It's a server performance issue. I can have no rubberbanding at 300 ping and have it at 30 ping, across 30 to 100 players, and see rubberbanding increase as player count increases and as more vehicles are spawned

How come the game has a system to tell you about high ping and packet loss, yet it doesn't seem to pop up during rubberbanding 🤝

[storm stratus]

Just come back after along break. Whats the go with Arty needing sups now? I literally can’t build it without redeploying? None of the team cares or listens about requests. And i mean so they shouldn’t. Start of the match everyone should be focusing the front line. Why was it changed to this exactly? Was it to delay arty or make it more work to do 1 thing. Or another objective for recon to take out?

[past veldt]

Artillery can now be dismantled by recon and it will remain offline for 5 minutes.

The requirement to drop supplies and hammer it to build is to facilitate that, but also to ensure the new artillery squad is used fully.

I'd recommend the U19 patch notes

#telegrams message

[obtuse dragon]

They made recon more annoying and arty less fun

but tbh it wasn't THAT fun before because it was literally just spamming R and click

yet somehow they managed to make it less fun

[past veldt]

It's a really small detail, but I find it sad that they removed switching seats and reloading at the same time

It's not really something you can skill gap the opposition on by a lot, but it was a very small improvement you make once you knew it was possible

Same with that you can drive tanks up to max speed from Gear 4, albeit slowly. It's another crutch for bad players which wasn't necessary

[obtuse dragon]

and i wonder

who th asked for them to remove things like that

Who wakes up one day and says "yeah, we should get rid of this thing that doesn't do anything harmful to our game besides improve the player experience"

"meanwhile, we should leave bugs that have been for years in our game"

[past veldt]

I think (know) they're all terrible players. Like I'd be amazed if they'd ever played another FPS game before, which is absolutely fine, except I think a lot of their ideas come from the struggles they themselves have as players

Rather than getting into dialogue with a variety of players and skill levels, they just yap amongst themselves and figure out what they fancy doing

[frosty hamlet]

hsve u ever survived a whole game in hll

[obtuse dragon]

Well, tbh, that's something surprisingly common in a lot of game devs

[lusty viper]

Bro acts like he the only day 1 console player like they ain't thousands of us

Bro is also assuming his rubber banding was only caus of servers. Grant it yes that may be ur case but not everyone else's

[obtuse dragon]

a lot of them don't play too much or straight up don't play games because they're too busy working or with their lives

[lusty viper]

Bro replied with an auto biography 🤣

I didn't ask for ur life story bro

[past veldt]

Never played HLL on console mate.

I was playing HLL before it came out on console 🫂

[past veldt]

I hope you get the hugs you deserve 🫂

[lusty viper]

Again nit picking me when ur issues are diff from console

[obtuse dragon]

which explains why there are bugs like a purchased dlc not being given to you or the "incident" on consoles during the last update

[past veldt]

As artillery, sure. As commander, 1hr26 minutes.

[lusty viper]

Get a life literally says xbox next to my name

So no need for u to trip over rubber banding console talk smdh

[past veldt]

Hope you get some help 🫂

First time arguing on the internet?

[lusty viper]

Looks like yours lmao

🤣

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1479866694829867040/attachment.gif

Got one yesterday from here

This could be you

[lusty viper]

This is light work 🤣 and nah I don't waste my time dm people that don't care

Public chat eh im a little inclined when it's public😉

[past veldt]

My guy, do you not have any hobbies outside of being weird?

I hope your mum texts you back today

[thin scarab]

These fanboys nowadays

[lusty viper]

Considering I haven't typed a messaged before this in here for over 8 hours id say yes lol

Let me see bout u lol

[past veldt]

You're still yapping

I hope you're enjoying the attention

🫂

[lusty viper]

Damn mf u live in this server 😭

Where the house at?

[past veldt]

🫂

[lusty viper]

Really not just figured u were funny for a bit. Bout to hop in game actually lmao

[past veldt]

About to drop a huge 5 kills and then scream at the wife I'd imagine

Get some help 🫂

[lusty viper]

Tbh we prob the only 2 really in here talking bout "attention" js

[lusty viper]

Prob

5 kills funny tho lol

@past veldt ^ please do

Let me just block this guy real quick matter of fact since he Wana play the emoji game 🙄🤣

[past veldt]

🫂

[sharp nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-eating-gif-10104807991349274331

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-look-confused-face-funny-funny-look-gif-4850532509577233362

[real parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372160503224209438/1430298963684229240/makesweet-s5h46y.gif

[lusty viper]

Is this a representation of you irl? 😂

[real parrot]

nah atp just mute him so he can read us but not write

[lusty viper]

Just had a whole squad under 50 lvl and tbh they didn't do bad

[lusty viper]

Umm sir I could care less for one

For 2 there is a reason this hll discord is dead now js

[real parrot]

more alive than SQ44

[lusty viper]

Bro that's s44 even back when this server was banging we knew squad44 was never gona make it

[real parrot]

They would do a great sim, just not a great game

They also lacked the initial playerbase, and the marketing

Marketing is half of the job after all

[lusty viper]

S44 and hll are gameplay wise damn near the same game just hll is smaller

And obviously graphics are different plus some commander abilities and air drop troops all that

Reason squad 44 died is tbh the graphics u can say were better but tbh it's kinda like arc vs marathon. Squad44 is just to bright. Plus the lack of support

Hll offer faster pace while still being border line sim only thing not sim is garrys and Op spawns

[real parrot]

S44 is far less accesible than Hll, hll is pretty straightforward, you will known when you are losing or winning, in S44 if you are new you may even not understand whos team is winning

[lusty viper]

Fair

[real parrot]

Hll is far less sim than S44

[lusty viper]

The learning curve is alot more

[real parrot]

Both in infantry weapons and in combat vehicles

Lol halftracks are spawn points and cost 2 times a medium tank

[lusty viper]

In terms of just say comparing games that say can compete or are on the same genre it's hll and squad 44 and squad44 died so now it's just HLL

For console anyways

[real parrot]

They do compete for similar playerbase true

but now the real hardcore sim playerbase I would suppose they either got to Squad or some Arma

[lusty viper]

The fact they took hll off game pass will be the blessing this game needs

It's caus upcoming Vietnam will drive hll sales but not if it's on gamepass

[real parrot]

I never disliked the newbies on free weekends and such

The time Hll got free on Gamepass we saw the biggest influx on players ever

That were good times when I would farm 150 kd

[lusty viper]

I didn't either but it was the sheer amount of people

We said it back in the day we can train 5 or 10 maybe 20 a match. Cant train 40 under level 50s

Bro artillery games oof

[real parrot]

Nah

Tank

[lusty viper]

I had some with 200 plus 🤣 tank to

[real parrot]

I would only let 1 new player on the squad

Ofensives are the best to farm kills

You find a base garry and just farm

[lusty viper]

None of the servers play offensive or defensive anymore only warfare. Might change with vets coming back slowly but we will see

[real parrot]

There were a few offensives in the servers I play one from time to time

But I understand why people doesnt like them so they don't get voted

[lusty viper]

Bro tbh they even more fun the warfare IMO

[gentle lintel]

Most of the time, yes

[lusty viper]

Offensive and defensive takes more skill as a commander to me then warfare

[lusty viper]

Bro put all his stats into smithing

Forgot about charisma 🤣

[gentle lintel]

No need to talk to people when I can make cool swords instead

[lusty viper]

https://tenor.com/view/smith-giant-blacksmith-dark-souls-fantasy-gif-20346439

This guy^

🤣

Glad to see ww2 history is still just people arguing Stalin vs mustache man atrocities

[round breach]

Moloch or Baal ahh arguments

[finite berry]

The playerbase is unironically there, even now, but yeah, marketing is a big point of why Squad 44 is where it's now. HLL's marketing was better in every imaginable way.

[finite berry]

Nothing about HLL is sim.

[novel geyser]

time moves on, nothing changes

[gentle lintel]

Good choice of words for daylight savings

[pine ember]

One day HLLs marketing wont be that effective anymore

[mellow knoll]

Wish it was the other way around tbh

[silk igloo]

If its not replaced by anything, HLL could keep on kicking forever just like Warthunder has to this point, for 13 years. Every year there's a new generation of kids picking it up, if you think of it that way.

[real parrot]

God I hate war thunder

[nova pivot]

And that is going to be the case at least for consoles, I can't see any similar game to hll being launched

[silk igloo]

console kids are going to fund PC development for years, bless them

[finite berry]

To achieve what? Even now with HLLV on the horizon, HLL is still successful

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[finite berry]

Exactly

HLL is in a golden spot

[nova pivot]

Your welcome 🤗❤️

[worthy dome]

Question, WHat is the idea of the 2 added bridges on Remagen? I mean, THE Bridge on Remagen is what the map is all about, why would they make it easier?

[royal crypt]

bc it always sucked since the first release

[worthy dome]

Thats skill issue

[royal crypt]

once you cap it, it´s extremely hard to cross the river

[worthy dome]

How you think real war was lol

[royal crypt]

there´s plenty of ways around in real war

do you really think in real war they grind lifes on a bridge xD?

[worthy dome]

Right now there is yea, back then, not so many, they wouldve used boats probably, but the people bitching about it being "impossible" just need to work on their tactical skill lol

[worthy dome]

They did multiple times here in the netherlands.

[royal crypt]

there´s still plenty of ways around

[fathom cosmos]

Grow a set

[royal crypt]

what´s there to grow

it´s just boring

[worthy dome]

Not really, here in Arnhem, Nijmegen and several other bridges, they did not really have a choice

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/bowling-keilaus-keilaaminen-keilapallo-bowling-ball-gif-9633443692303390494

[royal crypt]

it is still boring, i havent played in a whbile dunno if they reworked airdrops, but it was tedious and good defense basically won

creating ways to cross at least the sides adds pletny of value

[nova pivot]

Erm? Literally every hll map?

[royal crypt]

doesnt need to be a bridge but more possibilities for airdrops

[worthy dome]

See, so good tactics win the game. It is not just a shooter, you need to use your brain to play it

[nova pivot]

Tanks are getting sniped from the mountain anyway

[royal crypt]

erm no? if you dont see the diff on this map i beg you to check your eyees

[nova pivot]

Are you an ophthalmologist?

Could you check me?

[worthy dome]

I love it how people think it was just easy as one two three back in the days, and when they can't win in HLL, they blame the map instead of their own brain

[royal crypt]

no need to go there i think you know what i mean

who says i dont win lol it´s just boring

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669

[royal crypt]

if my team gets the bridge i can literally just sit back and do nothing

[novel geyser]

generally in real life the idea is to capture the bridge before the enemy can mount any real defenses
paratroopers were used to secure bridges a lot
in the case of remagen the germans didnt have as strong of a force at the bridge as seen in HLL so it was taken with relative ease

[royal crypt]

yes but in this game you both start at 0

whoever gets the bridge first and with a half decent team it´s just too easy

i literally let airdrops suceed to create somekind of tension

[novel geyser]

I think the maps issue was more where the point spawns
if the point was on your side of the bridge you'd have to have a terrible team to lose

[royal crypt]

yeah

point on the bridge was the most fair

[novel geyser]

but they solved that with the rework by making the bridge the middle point unless selected manually by a server owner

[royal crypt]

anthing else is just ridiculous

[novel geyser]

so they didnt really need to add the extra crossings

[royal crypt]

i think it still adds plenty of depth without even having tried it. Im not saying it needed to be bridages

but somekind of other atlernatives

[worthy dome]

I mean, if they would have added some small boats to do a crossing, it would be nice, but bridges, nah

[royal crypt]

for example

[novel geyser]

I'd just rather the map design stick to more historical accuracy, the pontoon bridges were only built after the bridge was captured by the US and there were no german counter attacks

[worthy dome]

Same here, like it historical accurate, but if so many moan about it either being to hard or whatsoever, then at least make it some what difficult by adding a small boat that takes a while, instead of just adding 2 bridges and make crossing ridiculous easy.

[novel geyser]

it will be good for gameplay no doubt but that little bit of authenticity is lost with the rework which is a shame

[royal crypt]

it´s not really a historically game overall though. i mean sure you can keep the map accurate but real life war expands with plenty of teactical possibilities on the whole country

all that isnt represented on a map based scenario

[novel geyser]

I agree the game isnt very historically accurate but that doesnt mean it should never strive to be
Im all for improving the accuracy to a degree

[royal crypt]

yeah but that means you still need to offer enough "workarounds" to simulate big scale warfare realism

[novel geyser]

especially when it has had a reputation of historical accuracy in the past

[royal crypt]

so sure maybe the bridge idea sucks but something needed to be added

[novel geyser]

I mean HLL is big in scale but its only like big as a small part of a larger battle is big if you get my meaning
A match of HLL isnt representitive of an entire miliatry operation, just one small part of one

[royal crypt]

yes but it´s still a game with a lot of gamified mechanics

so the realism is already "suffering"

like endless spawns

[novel geyser]

a game will have gamey mechanics

[royal crypt]

not saying that´s bad but it means you have to add further stuff to eliminate situations that occur bc of those mechanics

[novel geyser]

I am also very critical of things like the resource mechanics an gamemodes because I dont think they are refined enough

[royal crypt]

e.g. endless spawns with 0 repurcussions from deaths. So you create the meatgrinder meta that is just moreso visible on remagen

stuff like airdrops allow for more flexibiltiy but the mecahinc suffers with the very little possibilities and easy to defend problem on remagen as well

[novel geyser]

I find remagen is only really easy to defend when the point isnt the bridge
theres a lot more even footing when the point is the bridge, if you're team cant secure your side of the bridge then thats on your team being bad

[royal crypt]

yes but this is a public

there´s always bad teams so we need more "chaos" mechanics to allow for some sort of play

basically i can influecene the otucome to some degree on any other map but remagen

bc here it´s all about winning the meat grinder IF the checkpoint is on the bridge, if not it´s auto decided anyway

[worthy charm]

Not really

Because of the dark magic that airheads are

[sonic ibex]

Im in a hll game and theres a hacker and hes got hacks to increasing to the time until he can be votekicked, any admins online? its the germans vs soviets on official servers

[royal crypt]

i just explained that ability is severly limited on remagen

unless they updated something i have nt played in a while

[worthy charm]

Not really

People are blind either way

[royal crypt]

ty for your contribution to this convo

[worthy charm]

np

[royal crypt]

bro i defend airheads in my sleep

as i said before i let them actually succeed to creat more tension

[sonic ibex]

can you do anything like ping a game admin?

[worthy charm]

not really

dont play on official servers

[sonic ibex]

arent you helpful, is there anyone else I can ping who could help?

[worthy charm]

no

There is no moderation on official servers

play on community ones

(sorry for the short replys, im playing BG3 with friends)

[royal crypt]

community is certainly much better in that regard

[real parrot]

The humble bombing on your only garrison because no one mounts garries + airhead at the same time done by some random level 80 commander in a casual:

[sullen kindle]

Hello

[slate canopy]

Welcome

[native plover]

Been a lot of fun matches today in hll

[analog apex]

me too, sadly my game crashed to UE4 crash a couple of times :/

[novel geyser]

@rough birch the problem with your weird money analogy is that what you're saying and however you phrase it, isnt relivant to a military context or in the game
your money, your car whatever is your property
The artillery isnt the property of the artilleryman, its the property of the army it belongs to. The artilleryman is following orders given to him by a higher rank, in this case the commander and has to follow those orders or he would be disobeying.
It makes less sense for the artillery to be able to shoot where ever he wants willy nilly than the commander call in

[thick stream]

https://tenor.com/view/he-died-cat-falling-over-cat-oof-rip-gif-25901051

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gold-ship-gold-ship-golshi-gold-ship-uma-musume-goku-prowler-gif-877742140786639460

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-react-thanos-meme-gif-26303208

[thick stream]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-you-have-alerted-the-horse-alert-alert-horse-horse-alert-gif-10675569724654458517

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/umamusume-horse-true-yeah-clap-gif-940139680819670471

[novel geyser]

🐴

[dim imp]

Are yugo partisans being added to 2026 since one of new maps involved with them

Lake balaton

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/haha-gumichan

[dim imp]

whats so bad abt it would be a good DLC

[lusty viper]

Prob why u lose games lol. The only thing not sim is garrys and ops. If not for that ur running from spawn every time u die.

If u can't wrap ur head around borderline sim while still having garrys and ops so it's not slow af I can't help u

[finite berry]

I lose games?

And yes, nothing about HLL is a sim

[lusty viper]

Ignored the point i made chose to nit pick my insult

Nuff said

[finite berry]

No, I mean, you are just wrong

I never lose a game, factually

[lusty viper]

Ima just let u believe whatever u want bud

[finite berry]

Good, because I know I'm right anyway

[lusty viper]

Yeah ur ignorant lol blocked

[finite berry]

(he doesn't know 😏)

[lusty viper]

For everyone if someone on discord ever says and I quote

"Good, because I know I'm right anyway"

They are most likely wrong lmao

[worthy charm]

I heard your Winrate in HLL is 0%

[finite berry]

Bold words for someone being wrong 🙃

[finite berry]

It's 100% and 0% simultaneously :D

[worthy charm]

Schrödingers winrate

[finite berry]

But yeah, to get back to the point, gunplay in HLL is very simple, dying doesn't matter, armour is barebones and it's often just a meatgrind

[round breach]

I feel like im tripping but did HLL had at any point knives instead of shovels?

[finite berry]

Arma is a sim

HLL is not, not even close

[lusty viper]

They been had knives

[worthy charm]

Depends on the nation

[finite berry]

Even Squad isn't a milsim in my eyes, only comes close to it

[worthy charm]

Britian for example has a knife, whilst the soviets and germans got shovels

[lusty viper]

Is this blocked guy still tryna argue with me 🤣

Still lmao

[round breach]

Ah thanks, thought I was trippin for a sec, i remember getting a knife kill at some point

[wintry thistle]

yeah dude he's seething rn

[covert elbow]

Lmao this guy

[lusty viper]

Let me hit my penjamin first before I see more "blocked user lol"

[wintry thistle]

like hes actually crying

[slate canopy]

😒 Don't antagonize. You're not that special.

[lusty viper]

I'm crying wym lmao 🤣

[covert elbow]

Back again with the “HLL is a MilSim with arcade elements”

[covert elbow]

He’s just a master baiter polar bear, nothing you can do

[lusty viper]

Never said I was i blocked dude and I just happened to check and he still going on about hll not sim arma blablabla

Bro gona die on that hill I guess

Not a good hill to die on

[covert elbow]

Can’t have a conversation so he blocks people instead

Oh and he’s a vaper lmao

[lusty viper]

Na just the ignorant or chirlish ones

[covert elbow]

Oh I thought I was blocked, guess I won you over with my charms

[lusty viper]

😘

[covert elbow]

Oh no I’m still blocked

Gonna need to make up your mind eventually Dej

[lusty viper]

Tbh I just block people when they get annoying and if they stop being annoying and can add to a convo I'll unblock them

But if they just being like one bro above yeah I'll just block em

[covert elbow]

I don’t really want to be unblocked so you might as well stop talking to me

[finite berry]

I like how he blocked me but is still reading everything I say :D

Already living free of rent in his head

[lusty viper]

Unfortunately discord is owned and operated in the US. U know the part that has to do with free speech ? Or did u miss that part in school?

[covert elbow]

It’s hilarious lmao

[covert elbow]

I mean if your just gonna keep annoying me then I’ll just block you. Later loser

[lusty viper]

Ive been waiting lmao

[slate canopy]

Freedom of Speech doesn't mean Freedom from Punishment.

[covert elbow]

Yea, guy thought he could master bait me. HA! What a simpleton

[zealous granite]

I just figured out I can uncock my m1 garand without dry firing it🤦‍♂️

[covert elbow]

He deserves it

Guys just a complete and utter a hole

[covert elbow]

You can????

How?

[zealous granite]

You hold the trigger while closing the bolt slowly

About halfway when it touches the hammer when hold the trigger and slowly close the bolt

Then you should be able to see the hammer behind the bolt

[fringe acorn]

Looking for a resource on custom Server.ini commands. How to set respawn timers, switch team cool downs, afk kick, things like this.

[honest pecan]

In the game?

[zealous granite]

No in real life

To put less tension on the springs

[zealous granite]

https://youtu.be/KVyFHGMFwHw?si=vvl_wZJTuR1G__dY

[honest pecan]

It actually does

The word you're looking for is consequences

[zealous granite]

I have a 1942 dated springfield M1 Garand

[abstract lichen]

damn

thats cool

i'll buy it for a packet of mentos (facebook marketplace strat)

[zealous granite]

Lol

I paid $1,500 so I think ill pass

[abstract lichen]

fair enuf lol

(also holy moly thats expensive)

[covert elbow]

Trade you me 1943

Need a 42 for my Aluetian campaign impression

[zealous granite]

Ill pass on that its worth more sentimental wise now

I sold a lot of stuff to get that money including my first rifle I bought

Plus I had a friend who was giving me sh$t because he was expecting me to get a korean war era one and I ended up with a earlier one than him

[covert elbow]

Darn

[covert elbow]

Awh that’s the entire reason to keep it lmao

[zealous granite]

One of them

Its a 6 digit serial number made late October to early November

Still has the same stock on it with the same serial still though it has been beat up a bit but I would imagine a war would do that

You should see my nagant revolver my uncle gave me

Well when he gave me it that is

It looks better now

[zealous granite]

I just traded a camera for a new rifle lol

I paid $10 for the camera

[covert elbow]

Oh I remember that! What’s the rifle again?

[zealous granite]

I didnt mention that yet but its a h and r SB2 chambered in 223

Wood stock

[covert elbow]

No clue what that is

[past vortex]

looks like a rat shooter

[zealous granite]

That i paid $10 for

Ill get anything that shoots lead for $10

Especially when it looks mint with a scope and sling

Atleast 17x my money

And if the scope is a good brand more

[fading citrus]

Hello question how many set of nodes can a team have in one match simultaneously?

[slate canopy]

3 sets of nodes

so 3 munition, 3 fuel, 3 manpower.

[fading citrus]

So like 9 for everything?

[slate canopy]

A set would be 1 munition, 1 fuel, 1 fuel.

so yes, 9 total

[fading citrus]

Oh I mean like if 3 of each Fuel, Manpower, and fuel could be 9?

At max?

[slate canopy]

9 total nodes, 3 of each.

You'd need 3 different engineer players to build them. One engineer can build 1 of eacch.

[fading citrus]

Alright 9 at max excluding the repair station?

[slate canopy]

Repair stations aren't nodes.

[fading citrus]

Oh okay got it I see 9 at max then thank you.

[slate canopy]

Sure thing

[past vortex]

3 mal 3 is neune... ihr wisst schon wie ichs meine

[nova pivot]

#german

I can't put a link to the channel

[oak current]

#german

got you floppa

[gray chasm]

@tropic light

[covert elbow]

That says no access

[oak current]

probably gotta get the role

[slate canopy]

It's the German chat lol

[covert elbow]

We have that?

Well… guess I gotta take care of that

https://tenor.com/view/ping-gif-19478462

[slate canopy]

Nope, you don't have the german role.

#enlist_language Gotta get it there.

[covert elbow]

I won’t need one when I’m done

[slate canopy]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Bounce-TV-bounce-bouncetv-5wFkE3utjSOEFRW9re

[crimson vine]

what’s the ptt button? It says I’m openmicing.

[slate canopy]

ppt button?

[crimson vine]

push to talk

[slate canopy]

In game, X is command chat (lead roles like commmander, tank commander, squad lead, spotter(recon))

C is squad, V is proximity.

X is red, C is green, V is blue.

(default)

[crimson vine]

it says I’m always green tho

like without pressing the button it says I’m talking

[slate canopy]

Click it again. It happens randomly sometimes.

Uusually with dying or the game switching and you're chatting on VC.

[crimson vine]

it’s not a random occurrence, it’s been saying that ever since I first started joining servers

(I’m new)

[past vortex]

longstanding bug they dont care about, channel closes when you press the key again

its even worse at gamestart because you wont even see it, happens to guys in discord calls alot

(i have seen a guy being banned for openmicing at gamestart :D)

[crimson vine]

it’s only happened mid-game :d

[past vortex]

yea thats normal, the channel sometimes doesnt close

[crimson vine]

so just to go over it again (sorry 😬 ), I just press C or V and it’s gone?

[past vortex]

yea just the key for the channel that is stuck again

[crimson vine]

thanks!

[spring tulip]

I've only had this happen once on PC last time i was playing actually. i pressed C and it stopped. Must be an every now and then thing because its not like arma where you can double tap the same key to keep a constant open mic on.

[spring lodge]

Are you using a controller or MnK? I have that issue with controller when driving.. I use MnK while on infantry but controller is easier to drive lol

[young basin]

Uh

[analog apex]

where I was playing yesterday, peeps voteKicked such openMiccer out xD

just because the devs don't do their job properly

[ocean sage]

Anyone recommend a good SPA calculator?

[covert elbow]

It’s called “your brain”

[honest pecan]

Trvke

Just use a slide rule

Like they did in WWII

[ocean sage]

I'm too thick for that

[analog apex]

that one lags too much 😵

[elder crane]

just look it up online

[ocean sage]

that's what I was doing before i asked here

the ones I found were just for the howitzers

not SPAs

[worthy charm]

There should be some in #1273828697941606450?

I believe...

[silk igloo]

did they at least try to type to him about it in chat first?

20-30 people voting a guy out just because the people are anti-social or too lazy to mute the guy from the scoreboard, damn i love democracy

[analog apex]

nope 😄

but he wasn't probably even looking at the screen, we heard his kid sometimes very close then they went further, but we still heard everything from the room

Which is however quite a security concern... how can the devs not fixing such a bug that may potentially give away a sensitive personal information into the public, just because the game keeps picking up the microphone even while it shouldn't?

Honestly I think peeps could even succeed in court of law in my honest (amateur) opinion if such an information was shared, while the mic should have been closed.

[past veldt]

Vivox matter, not game devs

[analog apex]

we can't know that for sure

in any case

it started happening with one of the HLL updates

they could have updated VIVOX in it, but then again they may have broken something themselves too

a customer however doesn't need to care - the devs should be motivated to fix it ASAP

the devs are just as responsible as VIVOX, for as long as the devs keep __knowingly __using a broken VIVOX version even after reports from the bottom

so no matter if it's just VIVOX's fault or if some of the devs' have broken it, the devs are still responsible

It's not VIVOX, but Team17 that runs & manages the game and its features.

And we all know security concerns and personal information leakage are taken pretty seriously no matter where they happen.

[silk igloo]

wouldnt surprise me if it was vivox's business model to gather what people say, whether they push to talk or not since that clearly isn't required, and sell it to data brokers

[analog apex]

if that was true, then the customer (in this case the T17 devs) would need to sever all contact with them and stop using their product(s), and find or develop a replacement

not to mention they could be sued

[analog apex]

And for this one I will use the occasion to ping @fluid pawn - how is the openMic bug regarded among the devs?

Isn't it considered a security concern since people may share their personal information without their knowledge? Because the mic in HLL very often keeps picking up their voice/sound despite PTT button isn't being pressed and especially when it happens after the loading of next map, the people usually talk outside the game with the people in their physical room (we were able to hear many of such instances already over time).

I created a thread for that bug as well:
https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1480508228440952862

[worthy charm]

Release the SPA list ben

Give me hell

[fluid pawn]

I've checked the Jira and can confirm this is with the team and is a priority for them to resolve as soon as possible. Hopefully can give you a positive update soon once they get to the bottom of it

[analog apex]

Thanks Ben. 🙂

[sturdy quarry]

https://broomdouglas0-tech.github.io/HLL-SPG-PWA/

[analog apex]

I still don't get it why arty calculators don't count as a 3rd party software that gives an advantage. Especially if even redeployment keyboard/mouse macros are considered cheating already these days. Why are arty calculators still an exception?

[novel geyser]

Because its just a website
Can't really moderate the use of that

[analog apex]

The same as usage of redeployment macros can't be moderated...

:/

[worthy charm]

A calculator is fine imo

Filters or crosshairs are worse.

[analog apex]

If we wanted to be fully fair, an arty calculator saves the time of the player to calculate the mils, the same as the redeployment marco may save time for getting mouse to the redeployment button and YES confirmation.

Yet one is considered OK, while the other is considered cheating. I don't understand this general consensus.

Feels like selective justice tbh.

[worthy charm]

There is only one things truly unfair

[solemn junco]

How would you intend to catch someone using an external website?

[analog apex]

It's not a 3rd party SW/web though, so legitly, it's clean and only devs' fault.

[worthy charm]

shhhh

Let me troll

Let us maybe not talk about this further and instead go to a more fun topic

||Like arty||

:}

[past veldt]

We should discuss the reinforce tooltip

[analog apex]

Ok, let's look at it another way...

For instance I have a scoreboard/personalServerLog app I wrote for HLL, that takes public data out of C-rcon of a server and I save all my matches scoreboards and killLog to offline files. It also renders just as a website as it is HTML based. I use my killLog UI to be rendered only on top of my YT video stream (to see whom I killed and who killed me on the video), not on top of my game, but had I wanted to, I could set it to show me whom I kill even via Steam overlay directly on top of the game's picture.

Objectively for the viewer there is no way of knowing, if the killLog UI on the video was a part of the UI right on top of my game or not. Yet, such conduct is considered cheating, despite not possible to determine that.

What makes it different from arty calculator if in that specific regard you mentioned it's the same?

[past veldt]

I think we should tackle the big issues, like the bombing run not fitting into the aiming rectangle

[solemn junco]

In that they could probably make it so that you couldn't pull that data out of the c-rcon? Not sure what data it provides and who has access (public or server owners), but it seems like an easy thing to prevent compared to monitoring someone a calculator

[analog apex]

in case of which the whole public C-rcon wouldn't exist and sharing statistics would get problematic if impossible

[solemn junco]

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that it will give an unfair advantage someone using a calculator vs someone who doesn't, but it's impossible to police apart from making the arty random 😄

[analog apex]

but that's not the point, the point is that regardless if detectable or not, the arty calculator is not even considered cheating

[past veldt]

Because it's small fry

Like, it's really not a big deal to use a calculator to do maths in 2026

If I pulled out a cheat sheet of every distance and elevation, would that be cheating?

[worthy charm]

yes

cause its you

[past veldt]

Probably not. So a calculator which does the exact same thing shouldn't be classed the same

[past veldt]

Sorry, can't hear you from under this pile of commander bugs you IGNORE

[worthy charm]

Ok fair enough

that point goes to you

[past veldt]

Btw, did I ever complain about the teleporting supplies? Smh

[analog apex]

If not, then again - why redeployment macro is considered a cheating (at least in comp)?

If one doesn't record his full gameplay, it's not detectable either and it's not directly helping a man in aiming/killing and even if it could help him to save the time to catch a spawnwave in one case, it still makes him to not to catch a spawnwave elsewhere in another case, the whole actionsInTime just get shifted. Nobody can ever notice any difference between the time when he used it vs the tiem when he didn't use it.

All I am saying is... if one is cheating then the other is inevitably as well.

[past veldt]

A macro isn't a 1:1 action, anything which changes the clicks required by using third party software is banned in almost every competitive setting

So while yes, it's true it's hard / impossible to police, there's a standard used for these things which is generally agreed

So using a macro to fire 5 shots from the artillery gun is banned.

It's still used by some players, I'm sure, but it's banned

[analog apex]

right, how convenient, especially for the arty players who in comp are not just protected by the comp rules from being killed, they can even use the arty calculator kind of stuff freely 😄

[solemn junco]

So is it cheating if they print out the values and not use the website?

[past veldt]

It's not a 'how convenient' thing

We don't have unkillable artillery because we care about the artillery players

[analog apex]

I would say so, the same as glueing a paper crosshair on the middle of the screen - it's something that's not there in vanilla

it doesn't need to be a virtual/SW thing to cheat

[solemn junco]

So maths is cheating?

[worthy charm]

That reminds me of the new MSI Screens 😅

The ones that neutralise flashes etc

[worthy charm]

Math is terrible, so its bad either way.

[analog apex]

for as long as you are calculating it by yourself without any 3rd party thing - why do you think calculator is banned during a math test on primary school?

because it would be a cheating in that case too

[solemn junco]

Seems like a silly thing to get worked up on, and again, impossible to do anything about

[analog apex]

exactly... and despite the macros are also impossible to do anything about, they are strictly considered cheating

[solemn junco]

I don't care much about the macros either, they should probably just make it easier to redeploy without them, if anything

Would be nice if they could declunkify more parts of the game while we are at it 😄

[analog apex]

"without them"... a vocal commands or something? actually an interesting idea 😄

[solemn junco]

And add one for the squadleader to force redeploy all the squadmates 🙂

[analog apex]

anyway, it's the comp that does care and even comp considers one free, while the other not
it's selective and stupid imo.

[analog apex]

this would be honestly great heh

with so many casual dummies all around who don't listen, it could get useful

[solemn junco]

exactly, no more blueberries getting stuck on the last point when we are pushed back to the hq

[sturdy quarry]

russian commander should have unique ability to kill blueberries in a radius to force redeploy

[solemn junco]

send them to the gulags

[cosmic pilot]

BS

[analog apex]

About this, I was playing with this older suggestion of mine in my head - to give SL some small usable abilities similar to the CMD ones, just on a much smaller scale.

• For instance a** "CHEER UP!"** or whatever we would call it, would make the squad members within some distance immune to the suppression effects** for 30s**. Cooldown 5m. Base suppression effects would need to be made stronger ofc because currently they are almost negligible.
• a "CHARGE" command would make his squad members within some distance to have a faster sprint for 30s and would give them a bit more health, allowing them survive 1-2 more hit(s) than usual. Cooldown 15m.
• "RELOCATE" would force all squad members to redeploy and spawn on the spawnpoint that the SL has selected while he was activating the command. Cooldown 10m. If the spawnpoint would get destroyed meanwhile, they all would need to select one manually.
• COVERING FIRE - would cause outgoing suppression against the enemy 4x as strong** for 10s**. Cooldown 1m.

best if they would spend also local spawn and ammo tickets as well (if they existed)

actually I could make this a thread xD

[solemn junco]

imagine all the bugs they would introduce, not sure if it'd be worth it 😄

[analog apex]

right, but as an addition it could be nice imo.

[past veldt]

To be fair, you can just press Y once you've done ESC - Redeploy for speed

Can't make it that much quicker really

[solemn junco]

not a huge fan of those kinds of "buffs" or "perks" personally, just makes the game harder to predict, hides bad hitreg and cheaters while not really adding that much

[analog apex]

I know. But the time required to reach the redeploy button with the mosue may be an issue.

[solemn junco]

1000 hours in and I didn't know this 😄

[past veldt]

I personally use aimlabs to speed up using commander abilities

[past veldt]

Honestly there's 100s of these small things that most people miss 😅

[analog apex]

yep 😄

[past veldt]

My favourite is rebinding artillery fire and reload to the same key so I can play artillery one handed

[elder crane]

i have a guide for spa’s on direct fire but no long range fire

since i main artillery and mastered that art fairly quickly

[finite berry]

That sounds way too arcadey, tho

[analog apex]

not really, depends how you look at it - it would be there to simulate the effect of the leadership on the characters we play as. We may be able to talk in VOIP but that has no effect on how the characters we play as, take it. No matter what SL's plan is and no matter that the players are expecting to charge no matter if they will get under fire or not, their characters are oblivious to that and so they act the same like they always act. They are suppressed the same, they have no courage or fear simulated, nor disorganization due lack of leadership.

With SL leadership orders, this could get simulated.

[novel geyser]

Something i want them to do is to have dynamic suppression strength, you already get less suppression when a sl or medic is near but i think that should somewhat extend to squad mates in general. So if youre on your own you get suppressed more and even more if in enemy territory with no friendlies around.
Suppression would in this case cause actual aim flinch too depending on the severity

Would hopefully punish players for splitting off on their own or soloing behind enemy lines

[honest pecan]

Most suggestions that I see in this server treat HLL too much as an arcade game

And too little as a milsim

[pine ember]

HLL isnt a milsim either

[analog apex]

and could help a bit in certain situations

[honest pecan]

Missed my point but ok

[past veldt]

That doesn't really punish solo players or anything to be honest.

If I'm in the enemy backline being suppressed, I've already lost as I don't have the stealth/surprise element. So giving me more screenshake just doesn't matter

[pine ember]

Its still not a milsim

[analog apex]

I think it does.

[novel geyser]

It just makes it easier to deal with people running solo behind your lines

[analog apex]

If a player is good, doesn't matter if he has been spotted. He can still outgun even a whole enemy squad. Been there, done that. Didn't work like that in reality though.

[novel geyser]

Enough so if you do get a fighting chance you get an advantage over the backliner but not enough to make backlining completely impossible

[past veldt]

It doesn't though... The behind lines solo plays are best done quietly. If you're suppressing me, then you're just missing. Hell, I've been suppressed and just hit redeploy so I can find a different route through

Suppression just isn't going to affect that player in any meaningful way while playing solo

[novel geyser]

Countering backline players is just one part of it though
It's to encourage people to attack as a squad and not individually

[past veldt]

You're either fighting 1v1 at a disadvantage, or they can quickly out number you and you'll quickly lose out on the position anyway

Or you pull in enough numbers to deal with the issue and suddenly your dynamic suppression isn't kicking in

And that's the exact same choices you're making now without some additional mechanics being introduced

Suppression really only affects people who play like every spawn / life in HLL is important

And they're not usually the ones who are making good solo plays. So you're just kinda punishing the wrong people 😅

[novel geyser]

Thats why I said suppression would cause aim flinch
The sake itself can certainly make it harder to fight back but aim flinch means suppression is more valuable in actually stopping people from fighting back

Yeah the idea is built off of an improved version of HLL gunplay but I want that too

[past veldt]

I mean, aliens would be a great addition to the game if it was a different genre

Dynamic suppression is only important if a life means something, and the gunplay is complex/deep/completely different. And neither of those are true

[silk igloo]

Depends how you look at it. If every life is like a torpedo that you set loose with hopes of doing great damage, then running and dying makes sense. But if you just want to keep one place denied from the enemy, then staying alive means something. Even if you respawn back in 10-50 seconds, by that time you might not be able to get back to your position anymore, and you didn't stall the enemy either. It's the same in both defending and attacking.

[novel geyser]

It's not just about preserving a life its about combat effectiveness
If someone is suppressed they won't be able to fight back as well
Weather a team can get rid of other players is still a part of a successful attack or defense

[past veldt]

If you're holding a contested zone, you really are never going to succeed as a solo. At minimum you need two people to allow trades

Even if I'm just on an off angle farming the frontline, which a lot would consider playing solo, I'm still relying on some team mates being around to take some heat, even if I'm stealing most of the kills

If I'm just travelling to try and work some redzone play, then it's better solo. And if I'm ever at all suppressed, all thoughts of an effective play are gone because you've lost the stealth element

And what's the limit for dynamic suppression? Like, what if I'm anchoring my outpost as SL to allow my squad to push elsewhere. Might be 100-200m between us. Should I be punished with dynamic suppression because of my team play? 😅

These ideas which punish solo play are always awful ideas when put into actual real scenarios as they don't punish what you're trying to actually hurt

[silk igloo]

I don't believe in stealth. If you can manage to have only 1 guy in your softcap, stealth goes out of the window as soon as an enemy enters it anywhere. Then it's easy to figure out where the enemy has to have come from, and how many they are, and you have time to redeploy on all the defensive garries you have.

[past veldt]

Then you're not being stealthy

Either you're contesting softcap elsewhere allowing you to be in the softcap for a stealth play, or you're staying out of softcap for the garrison build

[deft peak]

I can attest to the stealthyness of Crital, man is solid snake incarnate

[analog apex]

You seem to keeping saying stuff based on YOUR gameplay style. There are still some people that like to be together and they could be given some boost in this form.

[past veldt]

There's no boost in this idea, only punishment

You're not promoting, you're reducing

It's why I'm against these ideas all the time

[analog apex]

There are some wolves who can deal with most of the things by themselves, but then there are groups of sheep who can be good enough to counter only if combined.

[past veldt]

To finish my favourite topic... If you're on the outside of softcap in the red, you can and should push back into the frontline to disrupt it, rather than rush to the strongpoint

[analog apex]

again, you are talking about lone wolfing

[past veldt]

Wolf mentioned. Summon WTH

[analog apex]

which is the exact opposite of what the suggestion is behind at

[deft peak]

Xf

My god

[past veldt]

Awoooo

[silk igloo]

Right. That's what I often say too, attack the enemy and leave the strongpoint for last, if it has any resistance. It's more like a Last Stand, none of the SPs are defensible if they're surrounded. Except some odd ones like West Bend that are in a corner

[past veldt]

My point of anchoring my OP to allow my squad to push... Is not lone wolfing

That's actual team play

[analog apex]

if you are talking about OP of YOUR solo-locked squad, then I can't rly approve

[cosmic pilot]

Is critical arguing against suppression

[past veldt]

I just said to allow my squad to push

How is that playing solo locked

[analog apex]

if you have a squad then nothing of what you said does apply against the suggestion system

[deft peak]

Best suppression is killing imo

[past veldt]

These arguments devolve into irrelevance once you stop reading

[past veldt]

I'm arguing against pointless mechanics designed to reduce gameplay rather than promote

[past veldt]

If I'm anchoring my OP, I can be nowhere near my OP or squad, thereby being affected by these mechanics

[cosmic pilot]

Having meaningful suppression is about two things, immersion and as a tool to accomplish a specific outcome

[deft peak]

The need of a force redeploy mechanic is only needed when you have a bunch of blue berries in your squad

[past veldt]

Yet I'm performing a perfect example of teamplay... And being punished for doing so

[cosmic pilot]

Suppression is a gameplay enabling mechanic

[past veldt]

Hyrum you've missed the entire conversation

[silk igloo]

if suppression of lone wolves, ~>300m away from any of their spawns, lead to them surrendering, it'd definitely promote squadplay.

[cosmic pilot]

I did 😭

[past veldt]

I mean so has Sam and he was here, but you've missed the original point of it legitimately

[deft peak]

Lone wolves are important, not alway, nut if they know what they are doing its VERY effective

[cosmic pilot]

Gib

[past veldt]

Eh, scroll my guy. I've just finished my lunch break

[silk igloo]

yeah and it has never been the intention of the game to be like that. the harsher suppression on separated players proves that

[past veldt]

In the words of a wise man "I just wasted my effing lunch break on this"

[deft peak]

The amount of times i have seen a game won because of 1 lone wolf flanking around the entire map, place a garry and win of that are rather substancial

[past veldt]

If it has never been the intention, why has it always been vital and viable

Almost like... Maybe.... Your idea of what HLL is and what it actually is are different

[past veldt]

I once built 4 redzone spawn bombs to win a WTH sweaty event 4-1, and my team got outshot by like 500 kills or something

[deft peak]

This

[past veldt]

Felt bad we won but like, I'm just playing the game yknow

[deft peak]

And even if they dont get a cap, they will force a lot of attackers back from the frontline to defend,getting value

[analog apex]

again, that's YOU

doesn't have to be someone else

[silk igloo]

because it'd require taking freedom away from the players in an irritating fashion, like having their soldier surrender or forcing them to turn back after going too far from their officer, or something like that. the frontline mechanic from the wargame series would fix it, then any non-recon lone wolves would show their presence on the map

[deft peak]

But it can be!

[analog apex]

yeah, no dispute about that

[past veldt]

I don't think I'm the only person to ever anchor an OP

[analog apex]

of course not, but then there are a lot of peopel who want to play as a squad

[past veldt]

So my point isn't about me 😅

[cosmic pilot]

Alright fine I scrolled

[analog apex]

so you can't use your personal likings/style as an argument, you need to consider the other side as well

[past veldt]

I'm literally trying to suggest you find a way that doesn't punish good teamplay

[cosmic pilot]

Being solo behind lines getting more suppressed serves an immersion purpose even if the "gameplay" impact is... minimal

[past veldt]

And only servers to punish, rather than promote

And also isn't actually ever going to stop a rat from sneaking behind solo

[cosmic pilot]

That's fine

[past veldt]

Or stop player who doesn't care that they're soloing from soloing

[cosmic pilot]

It doesn't have to physically stop someone

[past veldt]

It's only going to punish people trying to help their squad by anchoring/chasing a tank/dropping supplies somewhere

Promote>punish

all these RP milsim anti-HLL ideas just punish the players rather than promote

[cosmic pilot]

Suppression promotes people to shoot their guns more 🙂

That's the main benefit

[analog apex]

something they are not using can't punish them...

[novel geyser]

"Anti-HLL"
Thats a first

[analog apex]

if what you said about anchoring is helping the team so much, it levels out with those SL orders I proposed, or doesn't it? But if it doesn't, then obviously sticking together is better than soloing.

And btw. HLL is a squad based game 😄 .

Telling us about being punished for anchoring... well, that tactic shouldn't exist to begin with. It does, but that doesn't make it valid nor team spirit oriented.

[past veldt]

That'll be why my favourite role doesn't have a squad 🙃

Jesus okay, if you're against defending your outpost, we're done

[analog apex]

huh?

[past veldt]

You just said anchoring as a tactic shouldn't exist

[analog apex]

One would think the outpost is not that far from your squad.

[past veldt]

What is anchoring if not defending and replacing my OP

[analog apex]

Then it's diferent kind of anchoring I had in mind 😄

Regardless of what you are saying, surely you wouldn't want to be benefiting from some SL order buffs if you are not anywhere near your squad even remotely.

that would be against any kind of logic possible

leadership bonuses for the squad members with SL on the other side of the galaxy... yeah definitely xD

[thin lotus]

HLL 😐

[analog apex]

I just don't get what is so wrong with promoting squad-play as a group and such SL orders could just help it quite a bit.

[frozen basin]

Hello

[silk igloo]

Reducing the width of a map by 400 meters would solve everything.

[analog apex]

meh :/

[thin lotus]

it would solve a damn near lot of HLLs issues

maps are too wide. Players can too easily sneak around, which then cascades to other issues

[cosmic pilot]

Is it though.
Basically been used to describe conquest

[novel geyser]

sounds like a ridiculous phrase to me

[faint portal]

Has anyone seen/played "over the top" yet?

Playing that (albeit janky af) makes me appreciate how important audio is to immersion... I pray HLL gets an audio improvement rework. Make those guns/planes/tanks more chunky

[novel geyser]

I've not seen much of it but I would like some audio improvements for HLL

still mad they changed the MG42 bullet sounds to what they are now

[faint portal]

Dude the planes diving/gun shots/explosions are dope af
Even tho the game is jank it's just so immersive

[trim fjord]

The problem is that all "squad" based gameplay is copied or inspired from project reality, that's the case with most "milsim" games like Squad or Squad44. And It's a dumb and boring gameplay style in which PR is the pioneer (although actually they simply made the vanilla Bf2 more slower and dumb basically), especially for infantry, since it relies on mandatory mic use, long punish respawn times, and dependence on having a "medic" nearby, a guy with magical powers to resurrect anyone even after a headshot. All of that ruins any game and makes it boring, even the project reality itself, which has good hardcore gunplay, but that it can't really shine because being a walking simulator with huge maps, it's hard to find enemies and anything to shoot at

I think if you brought all that to HLL you'd ruin the game

[analog apex]

and dependence on having a "medic" nearby, a guy with magical powers to resurrect anyone even after a headshot.
Not in HLL, nor in SQ44...

I believe not in Squad either but unsure there

mic usage becomes pretty important in all multiplayer genres, regardless if milsim or not

[trim fjord]

Instead of all that bs it would be much better to bring something like the ICO squad update to gunplay. That would actually be a good change instead of silly punishments or mandatory mic use

[analog apex]

I agree HLL has been in dire need of gunplay overhaul and deepening.

it's been so simple... point and click

[novel geyser]

yeah that we can agree on
though an ICO style change might be a bit much
RS2s gunplay for HLL would be great

[analog apex]

also the guns in HLL are lacking basic functionalities like sights zeroing or firing modes (where possible)

and bracing on the assets/walls

[trim fjord]

But not in a WWII realistic game where walkie-talkies didn't exist (and that they even had to use carrier pigeons), It's quite unrealistic that you can talk in real time in a war game like people do in CS or Fortnite

[analog apex]

that's where I would use the Radioman class I would suggest, but that would move HLL far away from what it has become and from what it won't likely change

if HLL was a milsim, I would make need of Radioman to be able to talk to other squads

or possibility of global proxy chat hearable by the enemies too

or not being able to see anybody on the tacMap if far from the SL
...but all of that is far away from what HLL is

[novel geyser]

I think there are certain levels to how hardcore/realistic a mechanic is and weather it would fit in a game or not so you do have to make compromises
I think not being able to talk with teammates through a magic radio would be a bit too much for most games unless it was a true milsim like arma

[analog apex]

we have to make compromises only where we can and where they are not too far

[novel geyser]

it can seem a bit silly when people pick and choose what they want for realism
theres the constant argument that annoys me whenever someone asks for more realism where someone would say "Oh so you want one life, and you have to go poop in the woods" because its far more complex than that and people miss the point