mess-hall

[nova pivot]

My brother I accepted it long ago, but they said they were launching an update and I'm asking if they are doing it today

[hazy owl]

maybe when a billion people buy HLL:V we can see some resources being allocated for HLL

[arctic rampart]

🇳 🇴

[frail heath]

So much lag yesterday idk why

[midnight salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[midnight salmon]

it‘s the new update check the u19 feedback threads and reddit. game is even more broken now

[sturdy quarry]

do we know when the lukewarm fix is or is it coldfix again?

[prisma fiber]

Probably give up and shut down servers

[slate canopy]

🙄 so impatient. It's sometime this week. It's Tuesday. Chill.

[prisma fiber]

Yeah stop being impatient about the game being broken 6 years in

[slate canopy]

Game still works. Has issues yes, but still works.

[past veldt]

It's held together with hopes and prayers, but it does indeed launch

[prisma fiber]

I'd show you otherwise but I just lost connection to host

Also twice a match I'm getting "Heartbeat timed out" or something as a disconnect message

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/humpday-happybirthday-gif-22075999

[prisma fiber]

I'm aware polar bear is trolling, don't worry

[slate canopy]

Trolling? Nope. I know the game off my experience which never really have issues. I am not saying the game doesn't work for other people but I call the game "broke" if literally NO ONE can play which has happened previously.

[prisma fiber]

Good one

[slate canopy]

You do you, boo

[shy relic]

You aren’t the one who’s graphics looks like they gaming on a potato that’s why you ain’t in a rush

[nova pivot]

I think she is ragebaiting tbh

[cosmic pilot]

1 day without hll

https://tenor.com/view/kenjou-cat-500x-soup-slurp-gif-2518396184030093114

[dim snow]

How much are t17 paying you ?

[rocky bison]

does anyone else experience stutters in smolensk?

[ancient harness]

Only Smolensk?

Lmao

[rocky bison]

Yep

[bright crown]

https://tenor.com/view/gary-tay-you-so-funny-pointing-gif-11785707

[finite berry]

As much as T17 deserves the harsh criticism, it's funny how quickly you get accused of getting paid by T17 as soon as you don't fall in line with "T17 incompetent, why isn't it fixed yet, game is done for"

[broken shoal]

The voice chat bug it came with the chat? Sometimes some players sound like robots. Lagging really bad only on vc

[bright crown]

https://tenor.com/view/everything-is-fine-itsfine-burning-flame-my-life-going-so-far-gif-5182223

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx7kAsPcvzWlyy5LIU9GfLq8z6B9VJqAwW?si=Stt7wpP0Jh0p0UyI

[finite berry]

q.e.d.

[rocky bison]

I mean you play squad 44 bro

You cant talk about if hll is dead or not

[worthy charm]

Is she?

[rocky bison]

when you’re already playing a game which is dead

[worthy charm]

Thats my job

[broken shoal]

Of all the complainings hll can have people are crying over graphics? Lmao. Maybe put the game in high

[rocky bison]

Yup, i play everything on ultra and its pretty damn good

[cosmic pilot]

We've Stockholm syndromed you

[broken shoal]

Check squad player models in ue5 and check hll player models in ue4. Hll beats Squad by a mile

[finite berry]

In fact, I can very much. I'm used to much, much, MUCH lower player numbers, so I probably know better than any of you when a game is done for and when it isn't

[cosmic pilot]

They should add the Pacific to HLL

[finite berry]

T17 really isn't doing good overall with bug fixing and stuff, but believe me, HLL is still doing very good overall

[nova pivot]

Ban her

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/come-here-kitty-kitten-cat-cat-meme-gif-9842965060322201652

[finite berry]

That's the thing, it isn't. And when we with 200 to 400 players aren't dead, then why would HLL with ten times as much would be dead

[broken shoal]

For a game with such a small player base you are right. HLL doesnt have BF6 or Arc Raiders numbers and never had those kind of numbers.

[worthy charm]

I could never, literally. Not that I want to ban her.

[broken shoal]

And the gameplay even with is really arcade compared to other mislims doesnt aim to a casual playerbase.

[finite berry]

Of course not, it's still somewhat niche (although heavily appealing towards the mainstream). Still, HLL's player count is nowhere near for it to be critical or worrying

[finite berry]

"other milsims" HLL isn't a milsim, not even close to being one

It's a tactical shooter that's heavily leaning towards arcade

[broken shoal]

Oh boy here we go.

[cosmic pilot]

Eh, somewhat leaning

[finite berry]

I mean, even the HLL community is complaining that the game got too casual-friendly :D

[cosmic pilot]

I wouldn't say heavily
But then I'd have to resurrect my argument about what is arcade

[broken shoal]

It have to be casual friendly. Sht. People who want HLL to be Arma are dumb as hell

Who wants to run for two hours and shoot zero bullets

[finite berry]

You are exaggerating

[rocky bison]

i love the current gameplay tbh

[broken shoal]

But again the casual fanbase is not atracted by HLL.

[finite berry]

1. there is something in between Arma and HLL
2. if that's the case, why is Squad so successful

[broken shoal]

Modern setting is more atractive than WW2 in the current era

[finite berry]

Arma is modern

[broken shoal]

"Oh my god can i fly a helicopter????"

[finite berry]

You brought up Arma as a comparison, not me :D

[broken shoal]

Also that and TATATATATATTATA WORKSHOP

Workshop is the thing that kept Squad alive.

[finite berry]

It definitely helps, but it's not the main reason

[broken shoal]

Workshop is the thing that keeps Arma alive. HLL doesnt have that

[nova pivot]

Didn't you say it was dead?

[broken shoal]

Whenn i said that?

[nova pivot]

This guy said it

Wasn't you

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-attack-mad-gif-21589399

[broken shoal]

Squad 44 is ded. Squad is alive. T

[finite berry]

Wrong. Right. People have been calling Squad 44 dead since 2018, yet it isn't.

[broken shoal]

Workshop for HLL Vietnam and we import the maps from original HLL. TEAM 17 should pay me

It HLL Vietnam doesnt have workshop then is dead on arrival

[finite berry]

nonsense

[broken shoal]

"Wow modders want to work on the shop how you dare??? Nonsense!!"

[finite berry]

?

[broken shoal]

Bruh.

[finite berry]

I only said that HLLV's survival depends on modding support

It doesn't

I'm fairly certain HLLV will run significantly better than HLL (but probably will also come with higher system requirements because UE5)

[broken shoal]

Workshop makes the difference of a game having 2000 players to 20000.

[finite berry]

And even if it ran just as poorly as HLL does, people probably still would buy the living sh it out of it because it's new and it's Vietnam

[finite berry]

2,000 would be okayish lol

[broken shoal]

Yeah say that to game devs who bust their asses. They really are ok with having 2000 players.

[finite berry]

Why would the devs give a damn about the amount of players as long as you make enough money with sales and DLCs

[broken shoal]

Yeah im done. You are too stubborn with your arguments.

[finite berry]

🤷‍♂️ if you say so

Your arguments simply didn't convince me, so I brought up counter arguments 🤷‍♂️

[rocky bison]

Should i buy squad, is it worth it?

[broken shoal]

Yes. The learning curve is hard but totally worth it.

[finite berry]

I'd say yes, decent game. But you need a pretty decent PC for it

[main harness]

Squad sucks

[arctic rampart]

It's got it's ups and downs. It looks really nice, plays well, plenty of variety. But the ticket system imo isn't all that great

[rocky bison]

How much is it on steam rn

[pine hull]

@finite berry Genuine question, why do I see you here so often even though you don't even have the game? You just like discussions or what? :D

[arctic rampart]

No clue, I just buy stuff like that on key sites

[rocky bison]

well its affordable

on steam is 50 euro but key sites its 12

[arctic rampart]

It often gets sales

Considering winter sale is coming up REALLL soon

[rocky bison]

When,

[arctic rampart]

I'd say, if you want it super legit, then there's your chance

[nova pivot]

He loves me

[arctic rampart]

I mean the WINTER sale kind of gives it away no?

[finite berry]

Yes. :D I like the usual banter here and discussing about HLL (and Squad 44 if the topic comes up occasionally). And I love @nova pivot, obviously ❤️

[rocky bison]

i mean which games will even get winter sales

[arctic rampart]

Probably like 99% of games you'd be interested in

It's like 1 of 2 times per year when essentially all of steam is on sale

With very, very few exceptions

I should probably browse around myself and make a little wishlist

[rocky bison]

Then i will get squad for sure

[arctic rampart]

Watch some reviews, check some recent, actual gameplay w/o commentary over it and sit on it for 2 weeks

Then make a decision during the actual sale

Game's already been out for 10 years, make sure you know what you're getting into

[rocky bison]

i wanna buy the last of us part 2 but its too damn expensive

[arctic rampart]

Crack it tf

It's a single player game

[finite berry]

Also, thanks for being normal and simply asking me politely and genuinely instead of going "what the fu ck are you talking about look at this idi ot he doesnt even have the game" :D

[arctic rampart]

Literal bozo yapping in here w/o having the game

[finite berry]

Get The Last of Us 1 and pretend the sequel doesn't exist.

:(

[rocky bison]

Already finished the first game on my ps4 ages ago 😭

[arctic rampart]

Then just end the story off whilst it was still good and forget there even is a part 2

[rocky bison]

yes sir

[finite berry]

Then play it again :D

[rocky bison]

what about resident evil village boys

i was thinking to get it, is it good?

[arctic rampart]

Don't really play those types of games myself, but as I understood it, it was quite good. But again, it's a single player game, just sail the seas and save the cash

[gentle lintel]

but it does and ellie ruins everything

[finite berry]

No, it doesn't :)

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[fringe hollow]

really wish it did. The first one was so good. Maybe the second one would be just as good or better! unlike a certain upcoming sequal set in a jungle

[lucid gazelle]

mod tools?

[finite berry]

No

[finite berry]

Yep! Would be so nice!

[cosmic pilot]

You aren't allowed to have nice things

[livid verge]

tomorrow is vietnam?

[fringe hollow]

likely just some stream explaining things, could be wrong tho

def not the game though

[livid verge]

I should read the articals, shouldnt I?

[fringe hollow]

probably. It's funny how few people actually read the updates

[livid verge]

oh btw

why do you prefere rifleman?

[fringe hollow]

because I have a gun and can shoot people. Plus explo ammo so I can help AT but they don't need it now if they are any good. I don't need any special tools to defend, which is my go to

that and everything else is horded by other players, good or not

I am literally soldier 218791328

[livid verge]

you have good aim so you compare it with always 1shot and xtra AT for more fun?

[fringe hollow]

Not Super Steve, the army brat

Never said aim was good, I just don't hold W so I don't need grenades, satchel, smokes, a pocket watch, a bag of gummies, and a juice box in my loadout

[livid verge]

ohhhhh

[fringe hollow]

sit still and wait for the attackers to come to me. Usually doesn't work out because I'm one guy against 2 enemy squads while my team blindly walks across a field and complains that we aren't defending while no one redeploys or stays TO defend

[livid verge]

that would be the MG's job

[fringe hollow]

Every class can defend

it's not one single dude's job

[livid verge]

or sniper

[fringe hollow]

Sniper being anywhere but the enemy backline is a horrible sniper

[livid verge]

ye but those 2 just sit around and wait

[fringe hollow]

If I do play MG, I set up and spray at the enemy point so they can't peek and shoot my guys trying to get there

[livid verge]

but if there is action... Oh boy is it fun

[fringe hollow]

Defense is the same so yes MG would be easier defending but not for quick reactions when they get close

which they usually do but not from my angle. almost always the angle I say "they like to come from here" and then everyone ignores that spot

south of church mid point on utah I think?

nope, omaha

[livid verge]

i like AR cuz i am as moverabel as rifel man and still as deadly as MG. Maby not the best for open fields (rifelman time then) but I mostly play city

[fringe hollow]

south by southeast. buildings leading up is perfect for approach but everyone just ignores it

[livid verge]

I can easilly get multikill when a whole squad apporaches

[fringe hollow]

I get bored easily on city maps. They are only played a billion and three times every day. Desert maps are pretty fun but everyone hates needing to change their playstyle from run n gun corner clearing to actually reading the map

[finite berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/538055883075354637/1447978338743353394/1984.jpg?ex=6939966a&is=693844ea&hm=d25c4ec50501367910195bb1f59e6b8d8e8588b9954edcbe9bb4bca11f7e8dab&=&format=webp

[livid verge]

rifelman cant shoot 5 guys at once and MG is easy kill for flankers. AR is just bad at far range

so I try to avoide it

and if i cant, i still get some kills

every class is good in their own way

[fringe hollow]

Gewher my beloved

likely spelled wrong tho

[livid verge]

you mean Gewehr

[finite berry]

(means rifle)

[fringe hollow]

yeah having a weird H confuses the American in me. Too stupid

[livid verge]

ik

[livid verge]

it's spelled

just silence breathout

[fringe hollow]

doesnt mean I'm going to get it right the next time

[livid verge]

normally just spelled so fast that you cant hear it

[livid verge]

it's ok

gewher sounds english a bit

geuhrr

[fringe hollow]

yeah i hardly play rifleman actually. Just my favorite class because it's always available, no one expects a job from you, and it lets me just chill instead of tryharding

normally play whatever needs leveled, which includes rifleman right now

[livid verge]

i like playing or

but i dont

[fringe hollow]

I don't know anyone who actually likes squad lead

[livid verge]

i would love to play

[prisma fiber]

I always mock complainers that say there's no cover in El Alamein

"Brother there's whole rock formations 200ft tall you can hide behind"

[livid verge]

i have experience with those sprayerweapons and I can spam my own respawnpoint

[prisma fiber]

Where's the arty logos for #class-select

[fringe hollow]

it's either a massive rock or a small ditch, either way just read the map and use natural terrain like our ancestors

[livid verge]

i just cant play cuz i have no friends who paly HLL

[fringe hollow]

I don't like the idea of using OP as a personal spawn point. You are the squad leader, you should be working with command chat and your squad to form a plan instead of just rushing

[prisma fiber]

Set up a 2nd computer and get a 2nd steam account

[polar prism]

Played the update, nice job on finally adding bipods for the BAR and FG42. But still no select fire?

[fringe hollow]

no one actually plays those roles and you know it

[prisma fiber]

I have been almost exclusively since it was released - someone has to actually test the SPA and give feedback nobody is going to read

[livid verge]

nono, I play pretty tactical and i only go commander if nobody wants to AND no one comunicating anyways

[livid verge]

i cant play guner and driver at once

[prisma fiber]

IDK why they disabled the bipod on the sniper variant

[livid verge]

and commander

[prisma fiber]

I do it every day

[livid verge]

damn

[fringe hollow]

Feedback was given YEARS before, during and after the PTE. It all was "this is bad. mortars would have been better"

[polar prism]

FG42 should honestly just be removed from recon. Replace it with a G43 instead or something

[livid verge]

there should be the option to rename the squad

[fringe hollow]

before SPA was even thought of, mortars were suggested again and again and they just ignored it and said "oh, artillery needs to still be artillery"

and then they added not artillery

anyway I go to work

[livid verge]

whats the badest roll you can be?

[prisma fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1382781249319473265/1447981727795646555/email-count-icon.png?ex=69399992&is=69384812&hm=7448a6d463852e744b6a84de843a791a6cfe909e51d322f0f7602185f7e5b9e0&

[prisma fiber]

I think that's an even more rare variant

[fringe hollow]

a sniper sitting on the frontline. Or maybe a whole recon team pushing a main point like they were normal infantry

[livid verge]

i mean roll. not position

[prisma fiber]

Dinner roll

[livid verge]

like or

[prisma fiber]

He said sniper

But you mean role

[livid verge]

sniper is great

[livid verge]

oh ye

[prisma fiber]

badest as in worst? Medic - basically useless

[livid verge]

least fun

[fringe hollow]

According to comp, rifleman or medic. Rifleman has no specialty so it's useless. Medic is useless because there are no tickets and the player built spawns create a system to make dying and coming back simply easier and better

[prisma fiber]

My tank was destroyed while I was out of it and some medic revived me while I was holding F to give up

Really hard not to shoot him

[livid verge]

there is no medic if you need him and he is useless the whole other time

[fringe hollow]

they are seen as a waste of players which is why most squads are 3 man. SL, AT, assault. AT and assault usually have satchel so you have a bunch of bomb carriers to deal with tanks everywhere

[devout isle]

what do they mean when they said "the jungle awaits tomorrow"

[prisma fiber]

Add engi often

[fringe hollow]

again, because of the satchel. Satchel should be engi only and shouldn't one shot larger tanks but oh well

[prisma fiber]

Agree

[livid verge]

medic is a splited thing, either you die for the 100th time to save sb who just respawns or be the herore 1 time out of 100 deaths

[prisma fiber]

WE'RE TAKING A VIETCONG OP

[fresh night]

Finally, we will be shown the gameplay of Vietnam. It's been a long time since there have been realistic shooter games in this setting.

[fringe hollow]

if you die, it's easier to respawn instead of wasting time. Plus respawning gives you full ammo and all explosives back. Medic would be niche for an SL going down while on a flank.

[livid verge]

they NEED to add a dragg abilaty

[fringe hollow]

agreed

[livid verge]

and more smoke grenades

[prisma fiber]

No

[fringe hollow]

but without a ticket system, medic is still useless

[prisma fiber]

Delete medic entirely

[livid verge]

fr

[livid verge]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-hell-nahh-aww-hell-aww-hell-nahh-gif-9659330954843262630

[prisma fiber]

It's ok to wound friendly medics, they have infinite bandages and deserve to sit there and patch up while they consider their poor life choices

[livid verge]

medic role just existing makes the realisim 2x

[prisma fiber]

Like a roll of medical tape?

[livid verge]

sorry. I ment 'role

[prisma fiber]

Yeah when I think realism, I think of a soviet giving me a pat on the shoulder to patch up the 3 rounds of 8mm I just ate

[polar prism]

The scoped FG42 was extremely rare, while the scoped G43 was produced in the tens of thousands

[prisma fiber]

Wasnt sure

Both are dumb

[polar prism]

Not the scoped G43

[prisma fiber]

No thats extra dumb

[livid verge]

souviet medic should head with vodka

[polar prism]

It was mostly used on the Eastern Front

[livid verge]

why cant we pretend that there were gas weapons so we can add some

with gas attacks and traumatised soldiers

and gas masks

[polar prism]

A scoped G43 makes far more sense than a scope FG42

We don't even have an official fallschirmjäger division, so there's that

[prisma fiber]

Delete sniper entirely

[polar prism]

Honestly, the FG42 should be removed entirely imo

[livid verge]

lvl 6 AR

[prisma fiber]

Although one of my favorite HLL moments is watching some low level make and leave a recon squad over and over trying to get the sniper role

[polar prism]

Unless they change the Wehrmacht faction in Carentan to the Fallschirmjäger instead, like they did with the DAK on the North African maps

They could make it like the only map where the FG42 is available

[livid verge]

I enjoy playing medic

https://tenor.com/view/heaven-hell-homer-gif-8223857170335952479

[prisma fiber]

That'd be so cool that I know T17 would somehow break it

[haughty geode]

A subfaction would be cool

[pearl pond]

Anyone else think HLL is being deliberately sabotaged to encourage people to buy into VLL?

[haughty geode]

But the FG42 is just a "nice to have" weapon

[prisma fiber]

Smartest marketing ever "It can't be worse than our last attempt!"

[prisma fiber]

The AR version is just a meme anyways, it has almost zero redeeming qualities vs the STG-44

[haughty geode]

Tbh I like it, it feels more fun than the StG44 imo

[pearl pond]

Planned obsolecense, but for computer games.

[livid verge]

what weapon you get on lvl 6 AR?

[haughty geode]

FG42

[livid verge]

that weapon is good tho

[haughty geode]

Yea but kinda out of place

[prisma fiber]

Oh I agree, I actually use software that replaces my mouse click with a macro that makes it only register a single quick click so I can use it in semi-auto.

[prisma fiber]

It's a strictly worse STG-44

[livid verge]

it shoots faster

[prisma fiber]

Same damage, same ballistics, smaller mags, fewer mags - more recoil

[prisma fiber]

ok

[haughty geode]

Doesnt mean its better

Fire rate in this game is mostly irrelevant since most enemies are dead with one shot anyways

[dusk valley]

Hi. Don’t know if this is the right channel but is anybody having difficulty joining a server atm? It just keeps saying, “matchmaking error”.

[livid verge]

i get most kills because i shoot the enemy twice

[livid verge]

not with AR tho

I reload way to many times anyways

and its only 5 less bullets

[haughty geode]

Under I think 100 metres they are

[haughty geode]

FG has 10 fewer

[livid verge]

not 5?

[haughty geode]

So you are pretty fast out of ammo

[livid verge]

uh no

[haughty geode]

No, StG has 30, FG has 20

[haughty geode]

FG only has like 5 mags, so only 100 rounds total

[livid verge]

you can put the FG42 down!!!!!

[haughty geode]

StG has 6, so you have 180

[prisma fiber]

Plus the 20 rds in the spawn loadout

[haughty geode]

Doesnt matter in most cases

[livid verge]

well i could use it so dam good

[prisma fiber]

Plus the 30 rds in the spawn loadout

[haughty geode]

StG is the best gun in this game period

[haughty geode]

Same, I also like it. But its worse than the StG in almost any case

[livid verge]

uh.... same gun but less ammo

faster shooting

[prisma fiber]

MAYBE hip firing in a trench the FG is slightly better, but only if there's like 2 enemies

[haughty geode]

Its not the same gun

[livid verge]

and yu can put it down

[dusk valley]

@livid verge are you able to join a server atm?

[prisma fiber]

As far as damage/ballistics go they are

[livid verge]

why

[prisma fiber]

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN

😄

[livid verge]

the standing thing like every MG has

[prisma fiber]

Oh use a bipod lmao

[dusk valley]

Because it keeps saying “matchmaking error” for me, for the past 10mins. Curious to know if it’s an issue elsewhere

[livid verge]

lemme look

[prisma fiber]

BTW the BAR with the bipod is big poopoo

The sights are all F'd up and the recoil while deployed is basically unchanged from shoulder-firing

[livid verge]

nope, I can join

[dusk valley]

God damn. Thanks

[finite berry]

No.

[silk igloo]

I only tried it on the practice range and a burst felt accurate up to 300 or even 400 meters... you just need to have faith in where the target is because you cant see sh

[prisma fiber]

I dont believe you

The sights jump well over your initial point of aim

[livid verge]

maby I like the FG42 more cuz I only play Automatic rivle man

[silk igloo]

it's like the bren, feels inaccurate and cant see much, but the recoil is minimal

[haughty geode]

Fair, but thats the only thing they have in common

[prisma fiber]

Like comically so

[prisma fiber]

Bren has nowhere near the POA jump

I can absolutely decimate a squad at 200-300m in seconds with a Bren, the BAR is all over the place

[livid verge]

there are so many situations in citys where the FG42 is just better

[storm gale]

Is that announcement saying release is tomorrow?!

[prisma fiber]

I am happy to see light gun bipods though, tracers in this game (outside of tank drivers) are a detriment to the shooter, not a benefit

[haughty geode]

Objectively the StG is better there too

[prisma fiber]

Yep, game is done

They decided to just do it in Source

[silk igloo]

no

[livid verge]

my playstyle is made for the FG42

[prisma fiber]

I like the FG as well, but it's not good

It's just there

[haughty geode]

Then the FG42 is better for you

[livid verge]

i can be so much more stationary with the FG

[haughty geode]

Maybe try the MG42 there

[livid verge]

i do.... my whole experience now is just MG

[haughty geode]

FG42 is overrated, both in games and real life. The StG is so much better

[prisma fiber]

Prayers they remove tracers from infantry 🙏

[livid verge]

oh

[livid verge]

noooo

[haughty geode]

That thing is fun

[livid verge]

not that much stationary

[prisma fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-what-happened-what-wth-why-gif-14483670

[haughty geode]

Its a buzzsaw

[livid verge]

MG is always camping

Rifelman is always walking

[haughty geode]

Give me that thing, a Kursk offensive match and half of the attacking Russian team

[livid verge]

AR is half of both

[haughty geode]

Grandpa experience

https://tenor.com/view/monday-war-soldier-guns-gif-14030835

[prisma fiber]

Got my first tank kill with an SPA last night, 1-shot a medium with it

[haughty geode]

What, how?

[prisma fiber]

By shooting it

[haughty geode]

Direct fire?

[prisma fiber]

Yep

AP for arching fire is a joke

[haughty geode]

Indeed

Which SPA did you use?

[prisma fiber]

M4

Not that it matters a ton

[livid verge]

alr STG shoots less rpm and has 1 more (bigger) ammo box. But I've never experienced running out of ammo

[haughty geode]

If it was a KV2 I bet the crew knew that they would be doomed

[prisma fiber]

We were sitting behind a strong point on offensive mode and a pz4 tried to flank us. I was told he was coming so we turned the tank toward his approach, as soon as he came aound the corner he hit us once and then we hit him back, he exploded because the SPA AP is basically even better than heavy tanks

[prisma fiber]

Same damage profile

[haughty geode]

Ah right the Sherman can turn its turret

[prisma fiber]

We didnt do that

it was faster to just turn the vehicle

[haughty geode]

Yep, but KV2 has the KV2 effect

[cosmic pilot]

This is correct

[prisma fiber]

IDK what that means

[haughty geode]

But just because it can theoretically its so much better than every other SPA

[haughty geode]

German tankers were pretty afraid of the KV2

Since its just a Soviet death fridge with a 152mm cannon

[prisma fiber]

The Sherman and the PZ4 with the short barrel are the 2 best SPAs since both have 2 MGs and can tunr the turret

Minor advantages though

[haughty geode]

You mean the Panzer III?

[prisma fiber]

The Brumbaer is actually one of the better ones because it's so small

[prisma fiber]

There is no panzer 3 in HLL

[livid verge]

how do you get out of the car?

[haughty geode]

There is since the latest update. Though they completely butchered it

[haughty geode]

Press the same button you pressed when you entered it

[livid verge]

oh

[prisma fiber]

Excuse me im reading something while typing you are correct it's a 3

[livid verge]

I pressed every button but F

[cosmic pilot]

What are the Africa map SPGs then

Short barrel pz4?

[haughty geode]

Then press F

[livid verge]

would grenades destroy tank tracks IRL?

they would destroy wheels for sure

[finite berry]

You mean hand grenades?

[livid verge]

ye

[finite berry]

Don't think so

Bundled grenades or stuff like gammon bombs, most likely, yes

[finite berry]

Perhaps if you actually place it on top of a track

[livid verge]

below them? or below the tank 2?

[finite berry]

On top of the track

Like I already said

And even then it's a perhaps

[fervent dagger]

I haven’t seen many people talking about it but the new SPA HE shells obliterate tank treads if they land near. I’ve seen recon and light tank treads be instantly destroyed by a shell land around 15m away from them.

[livid verge]

well I know

[livid verge]

so handgrenades should at least damage tank tracks?

[fervent dagger]

Some of the British ones should as they were AP grenades

[prisma fiber]

lmao nah

[prisma fiber]

Yeah that's in game on one class

Gammon bombs

[fervent dagger]

Yee. Sadly I don’t get to play them much

[slender elk]

Eu só bebo de latinha

[livid verge]

I just hit a soldier-test-dummy with AT ammo and he didnt die

I shot with Artillery tank

serval rounds

[hollow bobcat]

wish we had Automatic Gain Control (AGC) for voip

[livid verge]

why should the medic lvl 3 be better than the standard version?

he doesnt even have a normal gun

just his secondary

[haughty geode]

He has more stuff vital for the medic role

[livid verge]

2 more smoke grenades

and a medic coffer

[haughty geode]

Which is pretty good

[livid verge]

no wonder why it's the worst role of em all

[haughty geode]

If you just want to heal and not kill

[haughty geode]

I wouldnt say its the worst

[livid verge]

wich role is worse than medic

[haughty geode]

You wont like that response but its Automatic rifleman

[finite berry]

Medic is so bad not due to his equipment but because it's completely pointless to play

[haughty geode]

It contributes nothing to the game and is just a selfish pick

[finite berry]

based take

[livid verge]

I played medic once

[livid verge]

ok tell me why

[haughty geode]

It contributes nothing to the game and team and is just a selfish pick

You have absolutely nothing to support your mates

[livid verge]

exept you gun

[haughty geode]

And you dont have an impact on the game

[livid verge]

exept some kills

[haughty geode]

Even the gun isnt that good for most factions

[haughty geode]

Kills dont matter that much in this game

[livid verge]

i know but defense and offense does

[finite berry]

Do they matter at all when it's territory that's winning matches, tho?

[haughty geode]

Even there, not really

[livid verge]

I just dont have any friends to play with and I panic a bit when I see enemys :(

[haughty geode]

Killing the enemy increases the chance to take territory away from them

[past vortex]

isnt trivial to do, you can use some fancy software to tweak around and make it work for you

[haughty geode]

But yes, map control matters, not kills

[finite berry]

Okay, fair

[livid verge]

exept you can supress the enemy great and make your own thing and get multikills more easilly

[haughty geode]

Youll make friends in this game

[haughty geode]

For suppression the MG is better. And even with multikills, there are other weapons that can do that too

And you dont have many multikill situations in this game

[livid verge]

well MG is boring and pretty much stationary

[prisma fiber]

If it werent for the ammo I'd claim the the FG42 > MG42 in a pro's hands - again, no tracers = harder to spot

[haughty geode]

If you play it right it isnt

[haughty geode]

Nah, if you do it right being spotted as an MG is pretty hard too

[prisma fiber]

But that aint the case so oh well

[prisma fiber]

Big colored lines

You cant hide that

Tracers so dumb in this game

[haughty geode]

Most people make the same mistake

Just dont line up on the window frame directly

[prisma fiber]

There's no accounting for blueberries

Im talking against good opponents

[haughty geode]

And switch your positions

[prisma fiber]

That makes the tracers disappear?

[haughty geode]

Nope, but you are harder to spot

Also burst fire the MG

[past vortex]

mostly only works if you are up against unaware people

[livid verge]

i can run around the map, get many kills pretty fast, can defend points pretty good, can offend points pretty good, I can play without my team, Im a solid allrounder. not the best in anything but not the worst in anything

[prisma fiber]

There's still tracers

I dont think you understand what im getting at

[hollow bobcat]

such as?

[past vortex]

idk, i would expect that to be really hard to get right

[haughty geode]

Playing without your team in this game isnt effective at all, youre on your own. Teamwork matters

[haughty geode]

I totally get it, but there are things you can do to make you less visible

[livid verge]

well it doesnt matter if the team itselfe doesnt wanna teamwork

[past vortex]

it would amplify background noise so you would need to filter that first
then it would be weird because people DO vary their level while speaking
sounds like you need a highly sophisticated system

[livid verge]

AR is only designed to kill

[haughty geode]

Guess why, because it consists of people that all wanna be at their own since we sadly have many players that dont understand what this game is about

[haughty geode]

And thats why it is the worst class

[livid verge]

so because of the players playing this class?

[livid verge]

relatable

[brisk oasis]

Guys I'm probably slow but is HLLV a different game entirely from HLL that I'll have to buy seperately?

[past vortex]

yes

[haughty geode]

Because a lot of (inexperienced) players see the gun and consider it the most important aspect of the class

[brisk oasis]

crazy. Do we know the price on release?

[prisma fiber]

Your feet are your weapon of victory

[hollow bobcat]

do you know what apps have agc?

[prisma fiber]

$299

[livid verge]

when I played the game for the first time, my team told me just to go and kill the enemy, so I took my enemykiller and killed the enemy

[past vortex]

naw not much known yet

[livid verge]

now im better and I understand the game

[prisma fiber]

Feet are for winning, weapons are for defending yourself on that journey

[livid verge]

Im strategically and tactically killing the enemy with my enemykiller

[brisk oasis]

lol

[brisk oasis]

ok thanks

[haughty geode]

Because new players often arent that reliable when it comes to playing more important roles such as support

[prisma fiber]

JK, it'll just cost you your pride

[livid verge]

just give em a gun and tell them ''kill enmys''

[haughty geode]

Yep, but thats not how you succeed in this game

[livid verge]

idk if im right but it feels like im supporting my team. even If I aint

[brisk oasis]

That and probably my life savings

[livid verge]

why is the AR role worse than rifleman?

[haughty geode]

Kills dont win games in HLL

[haughty geode]

The rifleman has ammo boxes

[prisma fiber]

You can have a little AR, as a treat

[livid verge]

i know, i just feel importand

[brisk oasis]

yeah you need to take obv and help your squad move up which is more important

[livid verge]

for other rifelmans to kill enemys?

[haughty geode]

Nope, also remember the explosive ammo

[livid verge]

on lvl 6, you're right

[prisma fiber]

Yes and the best way to get to lvl 6 is to play lvl 1-5

[haughty geode]

Still better than any automatic rifleman

[livid verge]

no, that wasnt agains your opinion, i just didnt saw it

[prisma fiber]

Need german MG loadout with FG42 and like 20 mags

https://tenor.com/view/fg42-bfv-reload-firearm-weapon-gif-21015330

[haughty geode]

Alr

[livid verge]

at least it's fun to walk around the city and get kill after kill with this AR

[haughty geode]

Automatic rifleman is a good class to get into the game or just to kill enemies, but for proper teamplay there are better options

[prisma fiber]

Thats fine just be in the circle

IDC what class or kit you are just be in the circle

[livid verge]

Rifelman = offense
AR = both a bit
MG = defense

right?

[prisma fiber]

No

[livid verge]

oh

[prisma fiber]

All classes are either

Except maybe arty

[livid verge]

but those classes are good at it

[haughty geode]

Not really

[haughty geode]

Not really

Officer is the best class, after that support

[livid verge]

ye

[prisma fiber]

New arty squads have some weird kits

The arty engi can build nodes, the arty SL can shoot flares and build garrisons

It's weird

In fact it's an armored blue-zone garrison machine, your arty support has 50 supps

[livid verge]

I can change the look of my soldier?!?!

didnt know that

[prisma fiber]

lmao

[livid verge]

but it doesnt affect how visibel you are cuz most of the time you are a black silluet anyways

ay?

[past veldt]

Some are a little better than others, like changing the US helmet to a beanie makes you like 0.001% smaller

Some of the German ones don't cover your arms, which makes you a little more visible

[livid verge]

white without backpack or bkack with backpack? and ''skirt'' -thing -jacket

[past vortex]

covering as much skin as possible helps with darker backgrounds

[livid verge]

ok it has gloves

but a backpack. that bad?

[past vortex]

things that make you larger, like coats, are kinda bad

but i feel the overall color is more important

[livid verge]

i got the free ones

coat with handgloves or non without

[past vortex]

hard to say

it works best when infront dark things anyway, so i prefer gloves

[spiral current]

I guess there's an argument for making an arty tank squad a "first job, protect the primary blue zone garry with your machine gun and rebuild it with your supplies. second job, fire shells at enemy" defensive zone squad

the only thing that's weird about that doctrine is that the spotter doesn't get to be used as spotter, since the spotter is tethered to the tank to build garries

[brittle iris]

Vou vou vou vou brather

Vou vou vou vou

I need translater man

[past vortex]

oh look, kedo doing his daily post

[brittle iris]

Nobody understand you

[brittle iris]

You better stfu or I am gonna send you 2-3 year dagestan and forget

[livid verge]

bro joined, bro spreaded hate, bro left

[finite berry]

hahahaha

[haughty geode]

Lol

[haughty geode]

Where is even Dagestan?

[brittle iris]

You german?

[haughty geode]

None of your business

[brittle iris]

FÜHRER

[haughty geode]

Lol

<@&365680483276816385>

[brittle iris]

None of your business

[haughty geode]

I dont care

[brittle iris]

You look you care so much about that

[haughty geode]

Lol

Mod will come in a few minutes

[brittle iris]

Lol lol lol

[haughty geode]

Lo

[brittle iris]

What lol bratha?

[livid verge]

bro joined, bro spreaded hate, bro left, bro joined again, bro spreaded more hate

[haughty geode]

What Bratha?

[brittle iris]

You just continue spamming lol man

[haughty geode]

what lol

[brittle iris]

There is nothing funny here

[haughty geode]

There indeed is

[livid verge]

there is

[brittle iris]

What is it?

[haughty geode]

You lol

[brittle iris]

If I am funny I am so glad I made you laugh

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/pointing-that-is-correct-thats-right-good-job-way-to-go-gif-18723702

[nova pivot]

Funny in a ridiculous cringe way

[haughty geode]

So when field trip to degastan?

[nova pivot]

You need to go 2-3 years and forget

[livid verge]

@brittle iris have you even said smth not hatefull today?

[brittle iris]

That's true man

[haughty geode]

I dont even know where that is

[livid verge]

maby start with that

[haughty geode]

Doesnt sound nice though

[brittle iris]

Y'all started everything

[haughty geode]

How?

[past vortex]

its a really famous sh*thole
russian occupied ofc

[haughty geode]

Ah

[brittle iris]

With typing lol neg

[livid verge]

your first message is ''Vou vou vou... I need translater man... Nobody understand you...''

[haughty geode]

lol

[brittle iris]

I did well

[cyan saddle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179085355681595474/1406844456912556052/attachment.gif

let me eat a giant spring roll in peace

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[livid verge]

abu that person over there is blaming his hate on all of us including me q~q

[nova pivot]

Do you want a hug?

[livid verge]

yes pwease >n<

[nova pivot]

🫂

[livid verge]

im scared of himmm

[nova pivot]

It's okay, he can't harm you anymore

You are safe now

[livid verge]

n< thank you

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/i-gotchu-gif-22729913

[cosmic pilot]

What in the beta male is going on

[valid talon]

Best servers on console?

[runic otter]

when is my sweet old vietnam coming out

[prisma fiber]

Oh, I thought everybody knew but it's already there. You can fly there any time with a passport

[runic otter]

nvm bro 😭

[devout isle]

whats goody my gang

[livid verge]

better to buy HLLV from steam or epic games store?

[finite berry]

Steam

EGS sucks

[livid verge]

why

[finite berry]

Allowe me to answer with a meme

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/538055883075354637/1448029233439051979/Chad_vs_virgin_Steam.jpg?ex=6939c5d0&is=69387450&hm=c944d8f36c294a18b8a44b893a809b2dd6bce2e033c689718efbd78e2807aa45&=&format=webp

[livid verge]

im convinced

[finite berry]

But yeah, EGS has pretty much nothing going for it aside from giving away free games from time to time

Plus, Steam's customer support is just insanely good, especially compared to EGS

[livid verge]

I got HLL for free

[finite berry]

q. e. d. 😄

[livid verge]

steam is great

[finite berry]

In any case, my personal recommendation, buy it on Steam

[livid verge]

there is no reason to switch to epic games

but there are some to switch to steam

there is only a reason to ALSO have epic games and thats, as you said, free games

[devout isle]

i love hot water vapor to play hell let loose

[livid verge]

some peopel say that HLL works better on steam than it does over epic games

[past vortex]

epic is impressive
idk how they do it
they have the prime example of steam with all functions gamers would want and they manage to be worse in literally every aspect
that takes some effort i tell you

[prisma fiber]

I love adding 1-2 games I'll never play every week to a library on a platform I'll never install

[finite berry]

Exactly lol

[finite berry]

I don't see how that would even work aside from respective services in the background possibly being affected; but that's super rare

[livid verge]

how do I change my roles?

[past vortex]

for me epic had a bug recently
it did run a core at 100% all times
i found out it was the geforce now integration

[devout isle]

is hll vietnam gonna have helimachoppers

[prisma fiber]

No, only chopsticks

[past vortex]

well yes, but im not too sure those wont just be fancy spawnpoints

same for tunnels

[devout isle]

i wanna pull a charles from henry stickman on some unfortunate cluster of vietcong

[past vortex]

i kinda doubt it will be that good

[prisma fiber]

The boats thing is either never goping to happen or be utterly pointless

It'll have a river on part of the map and you can use the boat only there and not the rest of the map, also they will be easy targets because this is a video game

Whatever game they produce will likely be far less quality than Rising Storm 2

[lucid tusk]

Or it'll bug out and drive on land like a truck

[livid verge]

is it even possible to change roles?

[past vortex]

roles? 🧻

[livid verge]

roll

[devout isle]

class select?

[livid verge]

ye

DC server specific

[prisma fiber]

Role

[devout isle]

roke

[livid verge]

ye

i got to many of em

[prisma fiber]

Yeah just redeploy and pick it in your squad menu

[livid verge]

Discord specific rolls

[devout isle]

at the very very top of discord

[prisma fiber]

Like bread?

[devout isle]

it said channels and roles

[livid verge]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-crying-meme-gif-21719496

[devout isle]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-12766496468767213818

is this how guns work in hll

[livid verge]

yes

[devout isle]

i thought so

i remember i put a mag in too hard and i heard a little scream

[prisma fiber]

The SPA implementation was 10/10 btw

I love how the gunner's rifle barrel sticks out the top

[devout isle]

what is spa 😭

[past vortex]

an asv

[devout isle]

a wat

[past vortex]

aef in german

[devout isle]

im not a military person 😭

[past vortex]

neighter are the devs :}

[livid verge]

I updated my roles

it didnt update my roles

[prisma fiber]

Place to get pampered and cleaned

[devout isle]

brotha wat

[prisma fiber]

a location where mineral-rich spring water (sometimes seawater) is used to give medicinal baths

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/manly-bachelorette-spa-day-cheers-gif-5672994

[devout isle]

ah yes a spa

[prisma fiber]

What did you think it was?

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[devout isle]

something military idk 😭

[faint portal]

self propelled artillery

[prisma fiber]

Soldiers deserve a nice dip too

DANGIT RAZ

[faint portal]

https://hll-armor-hub.com/#tanks you can see them all listed here- sort by SPA in filter

[river rover]

ℹ️ MICROSOFT PATCH TUESDAYℹ️
Get those PC's updated. Today is a double duty day with Steam Maintenance Tuesday coming in hours. 😉

[faint portal]

hehehee

[prisma fiber]

GO MAKE A VIDEO, VIDEO BOY

[faint portal]

😉

legit exactly what I'm working on rn HAHAHHAAH
releasing dis puppy tomorrowwww

[prisma fiber]

Are you and fresh ditching tanks full time for SPAs now?

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/wagging-tail-wagging-dog-wagging-tail-tail-tail-wag-gif-18089219379209593433

[faint portal]

how do i put this without getting in trouble ... hmmm lets just say no hahahha

[prisma fiber]

Coward!

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/green-goblin-gif-14141276552966470862

SPA's calling me like ^

[devout isle]

DO NOT SEARCH "hit by artillery" IN DISCORD GIFS AND LOOK AT THE 2ND ONE DOWN

😭

[nova pivot]

I don't see anything weird

[faint portal]

?

[thin lotus]

Wow SPAs really are a much needed change to hlls stale gameplay loops. This is amazing

I hope you are all as excited as I am in anticipation of where this game is headed next

I cannot WAIT to play

[nova pivot]

Exactly is an enormous change, huge even

[fervent dagger]

Sorry for the ping but have you seen how much damage the SPA HE shells do to tank treads? I haven't seen anyone talk about it but it obliterates them if the shell lands anywhere near them.

[thin lotus]

Gigantic, perhaps

[nova pivot]

Humongous one could say

[devout isle]

discord gifs

[thin lotus]

Gargantuan, if you may

[prisma fiber]

tank crews can drop 100 supps in the red zone now

[devout isle]

do yall not see that minecraft steve looking guy when you search "hit by artillery" in discord gifs 😭

[prisma fiber]

Use that tactic

[nova pivot]

🤝

[nova pivot]

No

[prisma fiber]

Salvaging an SPA creates 28 fuel even though they cost munitions to spawn

[nova pivot]

Send it

[faint portal]

all good bro, happy to answer anything i can

I dont have the exact analytics JUST yet I've pinged devs a few times and awaiting it

however- tanks dont do any different damage to any part of the tank. Their damage is flat based off where they hit. The SPA's also shoot "Heavy" rounds and the HE can "kill light and recon tanks" That would put the HE damage somewhere around 630 or higher is my hypothesis. The AP rounds are heavy tank rounds so i would see them being consistant with the current heavy tank dmg as well

edit when i get the data it will be updated to https://hll-armor-hub.com/#tanks

[devout isle]

then why am i getting it

lemme send you it floppa

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/no-clue-scrubs-not-impressed-big-deal-tja-gif-16738064

[nova pivot]

Okay

[prisma fiber]

More actually, we were able to 1-shot a pz4

ymmv

[fervent dagger]

Oh no I mean specifically if the shell doesn't hit the tank. The HE explosion radius seems to have armour pen so if it lands anywhere near a recon tank their treads are going up in flames.

I only experienced it in game and haven't tested it but the explosion wasn't doing damage to any other part of the tank

[faint portal]

it doesnt state that you can 1 shot medium tanks however they have "light tank" equivelent rounds. So the tank must have been damaged and you hit it where a bazooka/stuart could penetrate

[fervent dagger]

Oh you can defo one shot a medium with an SPA

Pretty sure you can do it from the front.

[prisma fiber]

It's a chance but it looked undamaged

Again, YMMV - I dont trust the patch notes at all

[faint portal]

hmm, then the dev brief is wrong. I havent personally done testing myself because they stated "this is phase 1" so i just asked them for the data instead of testing it all just for it to change hahaha
but based on dev brief the dmg should be around

for HE

[prisma fiber]

big badda boom

[faint portal]

100% agreed with this

I'm just going off some of what I have tested, as well as what the data i've requestd from devs

I asked them to create an excel in which they can better balance armor with hence where that one matrix came from that they shared at one of the dev briefs

[prisma fiber]

I sit in 2 of the 3 tank spots with 2 accounts so my dedicated gunner has been practicing getting into a defensive posture against creeping AT or backline tanks. Spinning on a dime and stopping to fire a shell has been a harder skill to learn than I thought - especially since he has to do "curving shell" math on the mills

[fervent dagger]

Just to double check I'm not crazy I checked the U19 changelog and saw this "Their AP rounds have very high armor penetration values and do incredibly high damage (950), capable of destroying any non heavy tank in a single shot (assuming your aim is good enough)"

[fading ore]

Fixing game breaking visual graphics for an entire console: ❌

Give free helmets: ✅

[prisma fiber]

It just rarely works when arching - it's not super accurate AND tanks dont hold still

Direct fire though

[faint portal]

that SS i shared is just grabbing an AP round from a stuart to baseline what their HE dmg should be

but you are correct AP dmg should be around that dmg 950 ish in line with other heavies

[fervent dagger]

Oh yeah it's super hard to do. Not pulling that off most of the time. Which is fair I guess. Don't think they are indended tank destroyers

[prisma fiber]

the HE radius is big enough that we were able to last over an hour with 125 kills (and like 30 OPs lol) by swatting the flies off of us

Being able to build an OP to my left and garrison to my right helps

[fervent dagger]

Also just saw this "Similarly, their HE rounds have a larger explosion radius than any other weapon (31m) and have light armor penetration on the explosion allowing them to do very high damage to lightly armored vehicles and damage tank treads near to the blast". Probably explains why the treads on my light tank broke instantly when a shell landed about 15m away from us

[faint portal]

31m is a very welcome change imo

[faint portal]

@fervent dagger

[fervent dagger]

Guess that's how you are supposed to deal with recon tanks in an SPA then. Just blast the ground near them with a HE shell and watch them drop to a snails pace as their wheels explode lol.

[prisma fiber]

the british SPA for the desert maps is by far the worst

Huge target, less side to side movement than the brunbaer

[fervent dagger]

Lore accurate bishop tank

[prisma fiber]

It's ironically the most accurate depiction of actual SPA vehicles lmao

[faint portal]

i think the problem is imo how long it takes for you to be able to shoot. reduce that and i think it'll be more fitting to defend itself

[prisma fiber]

Being able to shoot while moving and having a bit better turret/gun movement speed would help

Not to be "that guy" but we're probably one of the better tank crews still playing and even then it was fatiguing trying to defend ourselves

[fervent dagger]

True but I think it depends. A recon isn't going to one hit kill you and if you can destroy their wheels by simply shooting near them, it's going to cripple them and make it easier to follow up with an AP round

[faint portal]

agreed- some sort of buff to that would be better

also, the direct fire should be more consistent within min rangge of 200m as stated by its targeting sheet

it shouldnt drop within 200m that's insane

[prisma fiber]

The whole curving shots thing is so stupid

Even at point blank the shell goes above the target then crashed down at a 90-deg angle

[faint portal]

we shot a greyhound w/ HE and the dude nonpenned lol

[faint portal]

My understanding is this is going to SPECIFICALLY be targeted by this next patch

[fervent dagger]

Oh yeah I saw that in your video lol. It's strange how HLL handles HE rounds, especially with the SPA. If they hit the tank they just kinda get eaten by it and don't explode. But if they hit the ground next to it they actually did so much damage they broke our treads and damaged our turret.

[faint portal]

i've seen a video where they shoot it off the driel bridge and it curves so much it wraps back around under them HAHAHA

[prisma fiber]

They really should have just made mortars and HE SPGs

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-9403556598434283568

[faint portal]

I agree, but i dont think it was possible in HLL 1 i believe..

dont quote me on that though
I assume bc they did that with HLL V

[prisma fiber]

I'd imagine it's possible, but not for this team

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-kanye-ye-shrug-meme-gif-5673972712848832740

[prisma fiber]

I am openly hostile to T17

[faint portal]

I cannot comment lol

[prisma fiber]

i know 🙂

[faint portal]

I will say i've made great friends from T17 🙂

Wombat/ben etc are all amazing ppl

[prisma fiber]

Community people dont count

😛

[faint portal]

I was speaking w/ wombat the other day actually via VC. She's doing really well over at larian studios!

[prisma fiber]

I dont blame Ben for anything

[faint portal]

those are the only ppl i know HAHAHHA

i just like playing HLL, i'm very interested in HLL V as well and what happens when you move past the HLL WWII code base

https://tenor.com/view/spaghetti-gif-24457079

[fervent dagger]

HLL code base being some silly string and wet sand.

[faint portal]

HLL WWII code like ^^

[finite berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/538055883075354637/1448041062034833509/4ii1x8.png?ex=6939d0d4&is=69387f54&hm=416a7724cdc47b121eff9030e29b0fa52b3a49a8ba411171415ef6c78b9b624c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[faint portal]

dude in all seriousness- i know there's like a major internet meme of people saying "eff UE5" but i genuinely dont buy that hype.

Like Arc raiders is a perfect example of a game on UE5 that is FULLLLLLY optimized. That and the Finals (also same company) So it truly is the devs that determine how well/poorly a game runs

really hoping HLL V runs well! The good thing is LODS will be a thing of the past

[arctic rampart]

Then again, didn't they strip out a good portion of UE5 for Arc?
Like I read somewhere they didn't even use nanite or lumen which are the two big flagship things about UE5.

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/wombat-moment-gif-17950728288530672465

[icy panther]

yes, the issue with UE5 is that it ships default with a lot of performance heavy features, that aren't necessarily fully developed yet such as nanite/lumen, and if devs don't disable them or make a significant effort to optimize them, we end up with titles like Borderlands 4 and Stalker 2

[faint portal]

correct- but again it goes to show that it's really on the developer to "make it work"

[faint portal]

i love borderlands 4 but it runs like crap

[arctic rampart]

Yeah most games don't need like 50% at least of what UE5 offers

[icy panther]

I have played Stalker 2 with a config to disable Lumen, and it runs like a dream, but it looks awful because they didn't add any baked in lighting to their environments

[prisma fiber]

You play games outside of HLL?

[prisma fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1382781249319473265/1448053363878002801/ABS2GSl0tG57o98aFCXVbO__lDpxkD5ANI-e9URdecPCDQqR7F-oPo1gteCgFVeQcTRS5Z7j5E9dlNpEKS4JJDI5U8u6kvL3h2hWjly_B7dcjGR0E7zLSaV0KUJ1hMnrBEqU9hKSa6twEqVpZ08FX8KCsDOc4pBhxm9E8b_0vdSkJJ9C1_9_s1024-rj.png?ex=6939dc49&is=69388ac9&hm=49247f782cb5031808221e85533b2c680ae662b296a0b9a39381d192b46bd34b&

[nova pivot]

Yeah

CK3

[real parrot]

I play ARC Raiders

[idle pollen]

Grey zone warfare is a good example of this. Started off with terrible optimization and now is almost unrecognizable gameplay/Visually.

Game handles real smooth for me although I do have a 50 series card. Not sure how the 30s handle it

I think HLLV will be fine. I’m being optimistic because I love HLL and I love Vietnam. It’s my favorite time period to play in. T17 has the money and resources to make a good game using UE5. Let’s wait till a gameplay trailer and we’ll see how the foliage and frames run. That Jungle is gonna be the real test

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/where-are-you-getting-this-from-mark-phillips-rdcworld1-how-did-you-come-upon-this-rdcworld-gif-10425477791911033190

[finite berry]

?

I made it

[worthy charm]

Ok...

https://tenor.com/view/james-dexter-i-see-i-jus-gif-286690400796600169

[prisma fiber]

If there's no global proximity voice I am not interested

[warped geyser]

I’m sure all of us here are thankful for our troops. Checkout the PurpleBagProject, and send some troops a free care package! 😊

[idle pollen]

that would be peak

[worthy charm]

Highly unlikely... but I heard elise sells hopium if you are in need of some.

[prisma fiber]

If I can't scream at the enemy in the worst possible fake vietnamese accent then why even bother?

[idle pollen]

I have to agree

[worthy charm]

#pc-seeding-help

No ads in here please

[nocturne birch]

@tropic light

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE** ❕
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Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Some players may experience the following issues during Steam's routine maintenance:

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
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[cosmic pilot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558719334130647051/1448067838320443463/st4m67t85k6d1.webp?ex=6939e9c4&is=69389844&hm=b3a96524fd429f0ddaeef105890a0cc4ecb57ef97b51e07a8c8f2d17b954ae93&

[glossy echo]

Oh no 😭

[potent plume]

Hello everyone, looking for the hell let loose logo vector if anyone knows where to download it from or any link I would appreciate a lot (.ai, .svg, .eps). Thank you! ✨

[halcyon talon]

Still no update for ps5?

[finite berry]

Nope

[tropic light]

@worthy charm what are we yapping about during this current hour?

[worthy charm]

#mess-hall message

[winged wraith]

I have been silenced

[tropic light]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-williams-good-morning-vietnam-announce-gif-13819820

Plays Fortunate Son

and

summons Glow
@dusty bolt

https://tenor.com/view/planet-of-the-apes-oh-no-oh-no-meme-bad-monkey-gif-5746364871571609816

[vagrant thorn]

anyone know what news they are sharing tomorrow?

[novel geyser]

horse update

[slate canopy]

Probably just another trailer for the new HLL: Vietnam

[cosmic pilot]

live chum reaction: 🥱

[prisma fiber]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1382781249319473265/1448053363878002801/ABS2GSl0tG57o98aFCXVbO__lDpxkD5ANI-e9URdecPCDQqR7F-oPo1gteCgFVeQcTRS5Z7j5E9dlNpEKS4JJDI5U8u6kvL3h2hWjly_B7dcjGR0E7zLSaV0KUJ1hMnrBEqU9hKSa6twEqVpZ08FX8KCsDOc4pBhxm9E8b_0vdSkJJ9C1_9_s1024-rj.png?ex=6939dc49&is=69388ac9&hm=49247f782cb5031808221e85533b2c680ae662b296a0b9a39381d192b46bd34b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1608&height=1250

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-to-the-rice-fields-mad-angry-rice-fields-gif-14301223055509066033

[glass kernel]

Who's eligible for testing for Vietnam and how do you apply?

[slate canopy]

We don't know yet.

[tropic light]

Do you know now?

[slate canopy]

hmmmm

no

[tropic light]

Damn. Ill try again later

[slate canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-mystery-ball-yes-or-no-try-again-answer-gif-24573743

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/howboutnow-howaboutnow-how-bout-about-gif-18337227

[nocturne birch]

@tropic light thoughts?

[tropic light]

@maiden thunder is authorized to give my thoughts

[nocturne birch]

@ogtripleog???

[tropic light]

Triple og is definitely banned from this discord

mods, does that name ring a bell?

[nocturne birch]

Banning my bestie like that #freeog

[faint portal]

Same question @slate canopy , asking for a friend

[slate canopy]

Thanks for reaching out... I'll have to look into it. Gimme a few minutes, k?

[faint portal]

This is my favorite new sticker.
Mods we need this (I already sent to Ben lmfaooooo)

[faint portal]

🫡 Ty modzzz ❤️🙏 hehe

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

I want this to be me^

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE NOW ENDING** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Steam maintenance has now ended but some issues may still remain until a game restart

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[slate canopy]

Thanks your patience. We don't know yet.

[prisma fiber]

Hahaha

[prisma fiber]

Lmao enjoy

If you ever want to just gun in a tank while somebody else takes care of spotter and driver, especially on offensive servers, hit me up anytime brother

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/howlers-den-gasp-shock-star-trek-gif-498338148729931701

[faint portal]

I'm down bruv
Fresh is going to be pre occupied for a good long while so I'll be all alone 😭
Shoot me a dm so I don't forget (leaving out of town tomorrow morning so I may be slow to respond)

[prisma fiber]

Will do

80% of this is in the box

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1382781249319473265/1448119793097113630/image0.jpg?ex=693a1a27&is=6938c8a7&hm=9eb2f6bdda4711f766d5f19c227952e45c83fdabba18209a511b2de669f1c55d&

[faint portal]

Niocee
I got like 3.4k? Idk I been falling off lately 😭

[slate canopy]

What a buuuum #ignoremynoteven1khours

[modest agate]

Wait so is Vietnam dropping tmrw or just more info?

[trail zealot]

more info

not supposed to be out till 2026 with no date yet

[modest agate]

Bro they need to stop teasing drop the game post winter so it’s not rushed

But drop the game 💀

I swear they are gonna give up on HLL if veit gets the hype it’s going to get or they need to take 6 months to work through and clean the legacy code

If not HLL is gone die they keep slapping new updates on a spaghetti f of code

I hope we get a release date tmrw

[slate canopy]

It's 2026... and games always tease stuff many months ahead of time.

[modest agate]

I’m saying like march April would be nice 🤷🏽‍♂️

[slate canopy]

Also, it's 2 separate teams. and HLL:V will be in UE5, while HLL:WW2 is in UE4.

[modest agate]

I know I’m just voicing opinions

I like the updates but they need to worry abt the bugs

[solar drum]

@fluid pawn you hit level 20 yet?

[past vortex]

in apex

[wind shore]

Have they fixed the game yet

Or are there any plans to? I don’t want to play until the hit reg and the lag is fixed

[modest agate]

What I been saying

[slate canopy]

#telegrams message

[modest agate]

We were suppose to get hotfix this week buts it’s definitely gonna be next week

[slate canopy]

It's only Tuesday. Still have 3 days left for the work week 😉

[fringe hollow]

I have a feeling Ben is secretly the dev and he's just trying his best

[velvet sleet]

2026 release. 2027 to be playable

[tacit elm]

Are waffen SS field gray uniform symbols censored in HLL?

[ocean sage]

I don't personally recall SS insignia being in HLL

[main harness]

Bro stop asking for SS stuff. It's weird

[finite berry]

He didn't even ask for it

At least not in that question

[glass bronze]

It’s weird all the same…

[novel geyser]

Yes they are censored
No they aren't going to uncensor them
No they're not going to add an option yo uncensor them

[brave plaza]

Why is it weird? It’s historical. Like the rest of the game.

[ancient harness]

Lmao hi Patriot

[brave plaza]

Yo wassup lol

[glass bronze]

It’s weird.

[brave plaza]

Why

[glass bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-undisputed-nope-funny-face-gif-536487951695337499

[brave plaza]

You’re weird lmao

[dull lily]

Who removed my post :c

[ancient harness]

Yes

All SS insignia is censored in the game except for the belt buckles

[tacit elm]

Why is that

[ancient harness]

Probably because of what they represent

[tacit elm]

Yeah but there is a swastika on the belt buckle is there not

[ancient harness]

Swastikas are censored

[tacit elm]

I remember faintly seeing them

[ancient harness]

It's so subtle it's hard to notice unless you pay attention purposely

[tacit elm]

Huh, that is weird

[ancient harness]

They're not fully removed. Sometimes they erase part of the symbol in a way that looks like worn out. I believe the new DLC comes with a German ushanka whose swastika is a square

[tacit elm]

Whats up with this censorship, is it requirement by law?

[ancient harness]

I don't know

I don't have a problem with the Swastika censorship they've done. It's not noticeable on the battlefield. Although I think we should've gotten at least the rank insignia for the SS. No need for the runes

[full sky]

Hello

[faint portal]

I believe this game has a pretty major audience in European countries where laws vary significantly (especially obviously Germany) thus it's easier to just not have the symbols to prevent having different versions.

[novel geyser]

its just a general thing most multiplayer games do and have done for a long time, sometimes its laws and other times its just more to avoid depicting players explicitly as nazis, though the rest of the imagery is there. HLL does a good job of censoring it where it can, rather than changing the symbol or completely leaving it out its usually obscured or worn down in some way so that its more implied.

[verbal vessel]

so aRE they just testing HLLV or what

[glossy echo]

what was the announcement

[dull lily]

#hll-videos go run up the support for the kittens and cats

[oak current]

Remove Germany from that thought. You can do the naughty symbol in video games over here for quite a few years now.

[faint portal]

Oooo then yeah, I'm sure it's some countries laws just not sure which ones

[lament iris]

Can’t wait for them to move to a new engine this game is so unoptimised lol

[dim snow]

Unreal engine 5 is terrible as well lol

[fresh night]

The squad screwed up with Unreal 5

[midnight salmon]

UE5 doesn't fix fundamental issues in the game code, it just increases them during the migration and requires even more clean up and optimization afterwards

i dont understand how HLL still has mostly positive reviews on steam in the current state

[hazy owl]

Because it feels wrong for so many people writing a negative review after hundreds hours of gameplay... I might be projecting tho

[dull lily]

games beautiful wdym

[midnight salmon]

idk it's comically unplayable right now

[lament iris]

A lot of stuttering and fps drops even on a 5080

[dull lily]

never get that on a 4080

[lament iris]

Lucky you lol

[hazy owl]

That's why they build it from the ground up. It would probably take so much time to fully understand every aspect of the codebase and even more while doing any fundamental changes they probably decided to start over which makes sense... I only wish they decided to work on HLL 2 as a successor of HLL and not a completely different game

[halcyon talon]

3 day of waiting for fix update

[lament iris]

DX12 do people use or 11?

[hazy owl]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pablo-lonely-alone-gif-12928789

[dull lily]

11

always 11

[lament iris]

Okay will try that after this game cos o shouldn’t have issues on a 13700kf + 5080 + 32gb ddr5 lol

I know it’s Intel but come on lol

[finite berry]

Yesn't. Only in very limited cases.

[finite berry]

Still German laws. Altberg is only partially right.

[midnight salmon]

brother, they're reusing the existing code base. they explicitly are talking about an "upgrade to ue5"

and i'm pretty sure the devs of hll:v also dont play hll so it will have similar great choices as the team is making in classic hll. mark my words

[oak current]

Elaborate

[hazy owl]

As Hell Let Loose: Vietnamis a brand-new standalone entry in the Hell Let Loose franchise, it has allowed us to upgrade and overhaul many core systems that are challenging to change when supporting a live service title.

This includes a full upgrade to Unreal Engine 5, bringing significant improvements in performance, visuals, and gameplay systems. Much of the codebase has been reworked from the ground up to support fresh mechanics, features, visual and audio enhancements. These foundational updates are a major reason why Hell Let Loose: Vietnamstands as its own experience.
source

They could be lying 😄

[midnight salmon]

"This includes a full upgrade to Unreal Engine 5" - Upgrade is an upgrade from ue4 to ue5

"Much of the codebase has been reworked" means they refactored existing code

Big difference to rewrite from scratch, very big difference.

[dusty bolt]

Not telling the truth ? No way !!!

[hazy owl]

That article strongly supports that ever since T17 acquired HLL they started working towards HLL: V and dedicated only a few developers(mainly juniors based on the ingame credentials) to maintain HLL. It was either their plan from the very beginning or they decided to rewrite the whole thing after getting lost in the codebase...

[finite berry]

"Sozialadäquanzklausel" now allows swastikas etc in video games since video games can be considered as art BUT they are only allowed if the piece of art (in this case a game) is either educational or depicts a clear enmity/hostility towards national socialism.
In other words, Wolfenstein probably would be allowed to display Nazi symbols in video games because it makes the player fight the Nazis and thus shows a clear hostility towards national socialism.
Hell Let Loose would not be allowed because it lets the player play as German soldiers.

Back then, the devs of Post Scriptum actually asked for permission from the German authorities to make use of that rule to display Nazi symbols (because naturally they are historically accurate and belong in such a game). Their request got denied because - guess what - you can play as German soldiers.

It is an utterly idiotic and braindead rule because of course a swastika or SS rune doesn't get any better or worse depending on whether you can play as German soldiers in a video game, but yeah, unfortunately that's what the legal position is at the moment.

[hazy owl]

I mean if you going to design a bike do you need to go through a wheel discovery first?

[midnight salmon]

That's not how software engineering works, the wheel is the engine my brother 😉

but i dont want to bring too much negativity, we'll see and wait how the game is but as long as the hll:v devs arent showing up in discord talking to the players i see little hope

[hazy owl]

it has allowed us to upgrade and overhaul many core systems that are challenging to change when supporting a live service title.

[finite berry]

WW2 multiplayer games are a different story anyway because they are usually lacking a plot which could display enmity towards national socialism. And if a game allows you to play as WW2 German soldiers, it's joever anyway.

[past veldt]

I'm looking forward to the optimisations they can make because they're on UE5

[broken shoal]

are we getting the HLL Vietnam date trailer soon?

[smoky surge]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[broken shoal]

there isnt any excuse for Vietnam TO NOT HAVE A WORKSHOP.

[past veldt]

I'm sure HLL V won't be just be unoptimised but semi-playable with DLSS on top

[past veldt]

I'm sure they can just say 'consistent player experience ' again

[broken shoal]

i have an old pc with an old rx580 that can play arc raiders at 60fps. My main PC with a 5060 get lag spikes on Smolensk. Wonder how badly unoptimized Vietnam is gonna be

[past veldt]

Some of the assets in HLL are hilarious

4million vertices for a boulder or something on El Al

I'm sure they optimised the buildings on Smolensk and caused the hitboxes on them to be 9 miles wide

[dull lily]

Where can I post twitch links

[hazy owl]

#hll-videos ?

[main lance]

I think it’s pretty obvious what’s going to occur

[hazy owl]

we're already disappointed they can only surprise us

[hard whale]

Road map ?