mess-hall

[livid verge]

Genereal Manat

You fool!

I've been trained in your satisfy arts by Count-erstrike

[finite berry]

finally 😄

[livid verge]

starts blade spinning attack on soap for maximum satisfaction

[empty steppe]

uses force to rip open chest cavity and then shoots vital organs

[livid verge]

execruciating pain and scream

eats cheesecake

[ancient harness]

The recon-artillery cycle hasn't really been solved

[empty steppe]

Hey! Flaming corpses can’t eat me

[livid verge]

general clanker scream

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/hhXJaxHI9Ow.gif

[livid verge]

gets burned brutally while not abel to do anything because clanker machine not working

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-obi-wan-obi-wan-kenobi-prequel-general-grievous-gif-15208521242359859731

[cosmic pilot]

That's because the core of the issue is the proximity to the HQ

[lime haven]

hi i havent played in i think half a year has pc optimization gotten better?

[cyan saddle]

No real changes on that front if that's what you were hoping for

[lime haven]

rip

[devout isle]

i was playing hll and i swear i just saw a tank do like 4 flips and get sent into the stratosphere

[silk igloo]

Take him to the infirmary, he's delusional

[echo karma]

That was the lockNess Sherman

[past vortex]

so they didnt fix the smoke grenades after all ? :}

[past vortex]

it got a bit worse

[drifting egret]

Anyone have any good tips on getting the 150 kills as quickly as possible in the SPA vehicle?

[echo karma]

Camp. Camp everywhere. And spam mid point

Did I say, camp?

[devout isle]

it was a german tank

[echo karma]

You act like Germany didn't capture shermans

[devout isle]

:/

im talking about hll

[viscid cobalt]

chat did they nerf the m1a1 thompson in update 19

[slate canopy]

I don't see an obvious weapon damage change.

[viscid cobalt]

for me it keeps not wounding people after i shoot them in the torso at point blank range

[devout isle]

what if you could pick up weapons off dead people

[finite berry]

Please no

[valid talon]

Are any other console players constantly lagging out when playing Smolensk?

[past vortex]

smolensk is just not ok for weak hardware
especially the night mode

you could say the whole game isnt ok for such hardware :}

[devout isle]

i feel like low graphics makes me see enemies better

[past vortex]

tex epic, rest low/medium

[devout isle]

i just booted up hll and was gonna play and my mom completely ruined the mood

ughhh

[umbral osprey]

Really been loving Smolensk

It's fantastic

Really cool at night

[umbral osprey]

One thing I'm starting to notice though is that the map is really vulnerable to steamrolling because it's so easy to flank and get anywhere largely unnoticed. Takes more effort and preparation from teams to create nice matches.

[waxen viper]

Anyone wanna run a squad?

I got PC

[slate canopy]

Try in #pc-looking-for-unit 😉

[waxen viper]

Thank you

[ivory trellis]

Hey does anyone know how accurate or inaccurate the new SPAs are?

[fair chasm]

This game has one of the worst new player experiences ive ever had

[lucid rapids]

all I can say is start looking at the map a lot when you get 5 seconds to zoom in on the points. the hud cannot be trusted

[devout isle]

i swear i just found a youtube comment saying flechette isnt real 😭

[grand trout]

@fluid pawn so does the dev team actually listen to the community? We've literally requested no more updates and to just fix the broken issues.

[empty quiver]

They should add the BM-21 Grad to the Vietnam faction in Vietnam Let Loose.

[mellow knoll]

No. The developers aren't in this Discord so they don't. Idek who of the team looks at all the suggestions and relays it to them. Evidently it isn't the CM's because we'd be able to see it.

[grand trout]

Exactly. I'm curious how feedback is relayed

[deft shale]

Game sucks now. Idk how to explain it but every match feels quiet and dystopian. Gave too much power to commander and fail to realize he’s the issue in most (console) matches.

Cant shoot arty at all. Recon still at HQ no matter what. Then you don’t even get enough ammo and cool down is a real long time.

SPA is whatever. Don’t really serve a purpose.

Tanks are inconsistent and AT is broken. Ruined the specialness of the German rockets by allowing Americans to pen.

[obtuse dragon]

This Is why they need to Buff AT rifles and nerf Rocket launchers

[glossy echo]

At rockets do too little damage now

But buff at rifles is ok

[mellow knoll]

Think you got that mixed up lol

Rockets need buffing, the AT Rifles are fine. Rifles were pretty dog in WW2 against the tanks in the game atm aside from the P4.

[past veldt]

Why do they need to buff rockets? They just received a buff?

[mellow knoll]

Oh they did? I haven't played since the update so I wouldn't know lol

[past veldt]

Bazooka now has the same pen values as Panzershreck and PIAT, and each AT carries three rockets

[torn flume]

Can you please provide a source for the pen capabilities? Do you mean that the bazooka can now hit the front of a PZ-4 Medium and the side of a Tiger?

[past veldt]

It's in the dev brief...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1447181750034763787/attachment.gif

And yes, exactly that. Bazooka now front pens P4 and side pens Tiger / Panther

[torn flume]

Yeah I see, just confirming that it's 100% guaranteed and not buggy

[past veldt]

It works

[torn flume]

Yeah awesome

How about the effective distance?

Would it be 950m? Or still 740?

[past veldt]

Afaik, still 740. We had some guys on testing stuff Wednesday night and no one complained about their ranging being incorrect

But I'm not a rocket boy

[torn flume]

Hmmm I see, a good thing I guess

Lots of re-learning otherwise

[past veldt]

Still required for snipes as all the speeds have changed

[torn flume]

Wait really, so bazooka is 740m still? But the Panzerschreck and Piat may be lower than 950m?

Or higher?

[past veldt]

No, vehicle speed

[torn flume]

Oh got you

[past veldt]

Distances are the same afaik

[torn flume]

Neutral territory snipes

[past veldt]

But my personal effective rocket range is about 25m

Some interesting meta changes at least. Better than 2022->2025 with zero meta changes

[torn flume]

Hmmm, it's interesting. But so is anything once you change 20 things at once

Feels arcadey now

Which is better for meta, balancing teams and such

Just not my thing

[past veldt]

The asymmetrical 'balance' didn't exist previously

Better to have an actual balance rather than Axis win every game

[torn flume]

That could be done in other ways

Panther was a solid medium tank

[past veldt]

How long ago? 2021?

[torn flume]

Give the Russians and Brits actual MGs

[torn flume]

It was early 2022 when they made the Panther a heavy I believe

Do you think mortars would have been better than SPA's?

[past veldt]

I don't think there is an appreciable difference between them in reality

SPAs can move around. Mortars would be able to teleport around

[torn flume]

Recon teams are still going to rock up to HQs to dismantle nodes - they'll annoy arty the whole time while they are there

[past veldt]

At least there is a cost for SPAs in that moving around takes a little bit of time

[torn flume]

Yeah, I mean it can be done through some sort of mortar mechanic

Where the SL needs to place OP near mortar

For it to be more effective

That risks the whole unit if they get swamped

[past veldt]

Doesn't solve the free teleportation that mortar squads would be able to have

They'd just spawn on another garrison and do it from there

[torn flume]

Yeah true, for me it's just a lot of time and effort for the SPA - sorry I mean to code and balance

Will they actually be used?

[past veldt]

I've seen them used in every pub game so far, but that's just because they're new.

Artillery hasn't been used in every pub game

Arty was never used in every game though

[torn flume]

Yeah, newbies don't like dropping supplies! We all know this

[past veldt]

Exactly, exactly

So hard to say whether they'll be used long term

[torn flume]

I'm a PS5 player - game is currently unplayable

[past veldt]

I'd love to see some comp games utilising them instead of arty, but the quad flares will ruin this idea

[torn flume]

So I'll try to sink my teeth into things once a hotfix is done

[past veldt]

Potato graphics?

Fwiw, the game plays nicely on PC, aside from some server instability, so hopefully they fix this for you

[torn flume]

Damn flares man - July 4th every match lol

[past veldt]

As someone who plays red zone logi in comp, flares are my nightmare

[torn flume]

There is some issue that affects all PS5 players. Feels like the graphics are set to between 360-480p

[past veldt]

Probably LOD issues

[torn flume]

Kills your eyes in about 5 mins of playing

[torn flume]

Yep, only HLL

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hi-hello-floppa-hey-rat-of-the-woods-gif-21745606

[cosmic pilot]

You don't think moving physically and teleporting are an appreciable difference?

🫢

[livid verge]

playing officer is fun

[tropic haven]

Hey there, How can I do the setting for Dead Bodies Despawn Rate on my ps5? Thanks a lot!

[novel geyser]

If it's not in the settings im not sure you can change it

Should just be called like "body despawn delay" or something, it'll be a slider probably at the lowest by default

[ancient harness]

Can you actually change that?

[umbral osprey]

Yes

[ancient harness]

News to me lol

[umbral osprey]

You can make it anything between 0,5 minutes and 5 minutes

It's in the gameplay tab in the settings

[ancient harness]

What's the default

[umbral osprey]

0,5 minutes

[fresh night]

When will they show Vietnam gameplay and announce the release date?

[tame elk]

anyone know how to get the tank skins to show up in game?

[umbral osprey]

You have to apply them with the wrench when you're the tank commander

[tame elk]

Ahh thanks man

[worthy charm]

We dont know anything specific yet

[cerulean cape]

SPA is not ready: https://medal.tv/games/hell-let-loose/clips/lEXkFWJBE4rsaNYyr?invite=cr-MSxWWVMsMjUxMjUxMDM4&v=17

[past vortex]

seems ready enough for the current mandatory public beta test

[cerulean cape]

It simply calculates the horizontal distance till it Javelin™'s down in relation to 0° elevation, so shooting anything higher or lower than the player breaks down. Why not just give the rounds parabolic arches similar to how tanks have?

[finite berry]

I think the shell got attracted by the Earth's magnetic field yeeted straight down

[dusty bolt]

Good morning chat

[torn flume]

Damn, Aussie morning or other morning?

[dusty bolt]

US morning lol

[torn flume]

Haha

I can't even play the game atm, but have been checking out what's been happening with the update

[torn flume]

SPA's treating you well?

[dusty bolt]

I love going to the spa

[desert ledge]

What did they do to Hill 400? The terrain is now completely flat and there is no vegetation. I hope this is a bug.

[past vortex]

that would require math

[nova pivot]

They reworked the map because people complained there was no visibility

[desert ledge]

Did they really say that? sad

[past vortex]

naw itsa joke, sad thing is they would really do that if it wasnt much work :}
but i guess you mean the current LOD bug on PS5, fix promised for next week

[desert ledge]

lol. I wouldn't have been surprised if they did that though. I'm on PC and just noticed it.

[tropic light]

Q3

[past vortex]

q5

[tropic light]

As long as its not Q4

Do NOT compete with GTA VI

I wont be suprised if GTA VI is pushed back once again

[cosmic pilot]

it's now q20 of the year 2020

[past vortex]

yea

[devout isle]

rifleman for the US is fun

[haughty geode]

Rifleman for every faction is fun

[devout isle]

im not good with the bolt actions

[haughty geode]

Once you master them they are really fun

But for the Germans you get the G43

[devout isle]

do yall listen to music while playing

[haughty geode]

Not whilst playing HLL

[pine ember]

Yep, German Marschmusik

[devout isle]

idk what that is

[finite berry]

German military marches

[pine ember]

Something like the Defiliermarsch by Carl Faust

[devout isle]

i love getting spawn killed

[keen bronze]

No entiendo el juego, acabo de comenzar

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/sprich-deutsch-du-hurensohn-deutsch-sprich-deutsch-german-handwriting-gif-16118555

[slate canopy]

You may want to go to #enlist_language and select the flag for your language. It will open up a chat with similar language. It's English in here 😅

Otherwise, go watch some youtube. Lots of information out there!

[pine ember]

This

[devout isle]

im in a hll match

and im on the point defending

no enemies just guarding

and this tank crew guy comes into my building and just shoots me 😭

he did it again 😭

[slate canopy]

Report them on the server.

We don't allow witch hunts here 😬

[devout isle]

i dont know how

[slate canopy]

I hope you're playing on a community server 😬

[devout isle]

i see people in the chat saying "!admin someone tk"

but i tried that and it gave me like a message top right saying something in german

and idk what it means

[slate canopy]

What server you on?

[devout isle]

how to i find out

[slate canopy]

Tab? Usually shows at the top somewhere.

[devout isle]

i just see warfare st marie du mont

[slate canopy]

🤔 Lemme try something...

How much time lefT?

[devout isle]

52 mins

[slate canopy]

And it's a German server?

3-2 score?

[devout isle]

yes

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/ddr-germany-east-germany-socialism-socialist-gif-16447527023304761606

[slate canopy]

Looks like you're in 100.Jager? which is.... a German server.

[devout isle]

i guess

yea

[slate canopy]

So then you'd need to go onto that server's discord or do the !admin. That message after the !admin may have said "report receieved" or something. I don't know German 😅 @worthy charm would be better help there lol

[worthy charm]

Ich weiß nichts, ich seh nichts und ich hör nichts...

[devout isle]

it was like a squad of 3 guys going around just teamkilling

and 2 of them have gotten kicked

and idk what happened to the one that tk me

[worthy charm]

!admin usually works on german servers.

But I havent played a while on this server.

[devout isle]

nobody is defending 😭

idk why i get tk so often

[slate canopy]

Sometimes games happen like that 😢 It sucks

Although I probably wouldn't play on that server, since I don't speak German lol

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

-# im kidding

[devout isle]

its hard to find english servers

[slate canopy]

I know SOME german. Just very little lol Despite a semester in highschool and a semester in college.

[slate canopy]

I feel there are lots 🤔

[devout isle]

i took german for 2 years

and it went in my brain and then straight out

[static merlin]

@fluid pawn why does my game look like I’m playing on the Wii

[slate canopy]

#telegrams message

[static merlin]

How long this boutta take ?

[slate canopy]

Read the post 😎 👉 👉 I don't work at Team17.

[static merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/master-got-me-working-jimmy-gif-6654032614473382254

[devout isle]

now i just teamkilled 😭

i have this teammate infront of me

and his head gets blown off

i then see a brown figure running at me cuz i hear footsteps and a very close gunshot

and i just shoot out of panic and it was a friendly 😭

[worthy charm]

Its fine, we got free healthcare in germany

[devout isle]

it turns out

an american got really close to us and shot the guy infront of me

and the teammate behind shot the american and so everything was fine

but i shot the teammate cuz i thought he was the enemy 😭

[empty steppe]

I love the name bro

[empty steppe]

Russia they just hand you a bag of dirt to rub on it and vodka

[past vortex]

free?

[worthy charm]

Shhhhh

Dont kill the joke

[wind shore]

Because you have to kill everything but the joke? ✨

Also hello, I'm new here.

[devout isle]

naw they just dap you up and give you a kiss on the forehead and you're good to go

[harsh egret]

It happens. I've turned many friends into a mushy puddle upon rounding a corner with the shotgun.

[devout isle]

they will be tonights stew......

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/i6cBhlDa5r7.gif

[devout isle]

do arty people get to feel like thanos after wiping half of the lobby

also i keep seeing these rocket things that fall from the sky

what is that ive never seen it before

[slate canopy]

Depends...

Could be:

• Bombing run
• Precision strike (1-2 big bombs on specific spot)
• Katyusha strike (comes from HQ at an angle to a set circle area)
• artillery /SPA?

I haven't played yet with SPAs so I don't know much on that

[devout isle]

its not the bombing run or artillery or the katyusha strike

it looks like if someone fired like the anti tank gun from the sky

so im assuming precision strike?

one directly hit me one time sooo

[slate canopy]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Pajbe6kcGis?si=gP_vjhHKmQvXuTxZ

Looks like that? (I say 1-2 because I believe depending on the team some have 2 bombers)

[devout isle]

it doesnt look like that

it has like a smoke trail behind it

[worthy charm]

*SPAs

I wouldnt recommend playing them currently

[devout isle]

what is spa

[worthy charm]

Its where glow goes after seeding for 8h

[devout isle]

wha

[worthy charm]

Self Propelled Artillery

-# Anyone saying they arent SPAs now will get a highly toxic lump of coal.

[devout isle]

https://tenor.com/view/cummins-gif-12535975135255283466

[past vortex]

its affordable

[past vortex]

ASV

AEF in german

[latent ruin]

Anybody know the new updated score system. Specifically for medium tanks?

[lean creek]

does anyone know how to change tank skins with the wrench?

[rigid tusk]

I was originally against the SPGs being added in the form that they are but after rolling around in a KV-2 and arcing a round into a widow, turning two squads into hamburger I'm coming around to them.

[echo karma]

Disabled

[rigid tusk]

Also, is it just me or does the AVRE uniquely suck

Like, the other three SPGs feel identical but the AVRE doesn't seem like it hits as hard

[fervent dagger]

Kinda ironic that lol. Don't think they mentioned any stat differences for it in the changelog.

[cosmic pilot]

SPG

[worthy charm]

To your luck youre already on the naughty list.

[cosmic pilot]

Release the naughty list

[worthy charm]

There is a list of lists that has to be released before that.

Now lets move one from that part of the naughty topics

[umbral osprey]

It's not, is it?

[smoky surge]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-gif-25799821

[little otter]

Delete SPAs

[somber knot]

WHY team17 every single patch destroying hell ??????

[halcyon talon]

Another good day waiting for a fix on a ps5 version

[somber knot]

Hm ?

[halcyon talon]

Cause they make the update but dont check it out

Too focused on Vietnam

[somber knot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1060164672239697970/1447319733702758451/Hell_Let_Loose_12-07-2025_21-11-18-936.mp4?ex=6937310a&is=6935df8a&hm=c05d81e83eff97b4a1f22daaba8c007b21cc94f9798ab1bb2d7f49f74c859f1f&

I have that in ** like every single time they want to kill hell

New map yeh ? Teleporting all servers we pay and they are trash

Every thing is trash

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1060164672239697970/1447320217498943642/Hell_Let_Loose_12-07-2025_21-13-35-8.mp4?ex=6937317d&is=6935dffd&hm=6e59e441dfa0d625d61c840f4481ec102126e1d6174adc1f1d2c4f8e12f87830&

I done

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/q0WNC9BA9Cr.gif

[devout isle]

OMG 67 😱 😱

[empty steppe]

Predicted it

[somber knot]

… losers

[empty steppe]

Wait lemme watch the clip first

[empty steppe]

Yeah so basically the game sucks 👍

[past vortex]

id say first one, the guy disconnected and 2nd one there was an enemy close

2nd one is obvious

[slate canopy]

post in #1445732994269712505 if you haven't. Otherwise this will just be missed later.

[devout isle]

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-shisui-gif-19020545

[umbral osprey]

If it got destroyed by an enemy being close there would've been more smoke

[past vortex]

there was smoke

[polar belfry]

Does anyone want to make a fortress

[tulip pebble]

Why are all the most recent #1098158460463480842 for turks??…..

[modest agate]

So is the new update good or is it glitchy asf

[faint portal]

Bad for PS5
Decent for everyone else
New map is good
SPA's are bad

[modest agate]

I just want to know

I knew the spa’s would be weird I wasn’t a fan of the concept rather have more arty or mortar squads

Loved the preview of the new map

[faint portal]

Overall a stronger update imo

[past vortex]

raised min HW reqs even more

[cosmic pilot]

to fix SPGs:
get rid of the operational limit
use "realistic" ballistics
individualize the vehicles

[modest agate]

There not listening to the audience

They kinda did this update but then did wtv tf they wanted

[past vortex]

or are they listening to certain audiences too much?

[modest agate]

I miss Tobruk update it was solid not even just the map but the gameplay felt great

People hate on Tobruk but it’s a great map other than the performance issues but im on console and its never horrible up until u18

[fringe hollow]

people hate anything that isn't the same thing with a new skin. Needing to change your whole playstyle because the environment changes is great

but people somehow can't adapt when humans are literally known for adapting

[brittle iris]

you have to be maaaan first

https://tenor.com/view/merab-dvalishvili-ufc-mma-flex-gif-16887458289351671589

[finite berry]

It was literally weekend.

[ocean sage]

After playing for 400 hrs I purchased HLL on my personal steam account

[analog apex]

After so many butchered updates we can likely say one thing with clean conscience: they don't seem to be competent enough to take care of a game like HLL and all the rants of the "T17 go back to Worms" kind, are turning out to be actually legit 🙁 .

The devs have been doing a lot of good, no question about it... but the lot of bad always puts the good into a very dark shadow and makes the good stuff almost irrelevant.

[winter sandal]

Any info about hotfix? Today? Tommorow?

[analog apex]

Toyota. xD

[finite berry]

Some day this week

[winter sandal]

Simply clever

[analog apex]

that's for another different car brand though, isn't it? ... or is it? 😏

[analog apex]

I doubt this one hotfix will fix all the problems (especially after the previous empty U18 hotfixes). And if it would really not fix it, then I guess HLL will stay in a broken state even during the whole Christmas :/.
They have last 2 weeks before the Christmas/New Year to do something.

[winter sandal]

Skoda 😂

[rapid delta]

Where can i post our clan recruitment? Because i cant post in #1343089641489961001

[finite berry]

It will fix the LOD issues on PS5 and some major bugs from U19

Sam, say goodbye to the idea they'll fix long-standing bugs 😂

[analog apex]

yes, that are the expectations but I honestly wouldn't bet on it, considering the previous hotfix experiences

[finite berry]

It will stay in that state and people will still like and play it

[analog apex]

not all U18 problems were fixed even to this date

[analog apex]

many will, many won't

[finite berry]

The majority of average players (who are not active here by the way) will still play and like it. And the majority of the people who are here will also still play (despite being upset with T17)

[finite berry]

And they never will

[analog apex]

yeah, the most sad truth

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-to-do-list-long-list-gif-5580267

[mellow knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/list-amazinggrace-court-watching-scroll-gif-13488308

[grizzled kiln]

Tbf people were upset with BM as well. Game's always been an unoptimized mess

[hazy owl]

How could I describe that?.... imagine you buy a 3-ply toilet paper and with each update they make it longer but in order to do that they take the paper from the extra layers and here we are at the end of 2025 holding 1-ply shite roll nobody would buy in the first place

[finite berry]

And yet people still buy it lol

[novel geyser]

Yeah im tired of the BM revisionism tbh they were not good at evolving the game meaningfully, they just knew not to mess with it because it would break and people would complain

I appreciate T17 atleast trying to make some changes even though they tend to keep going in strange directions

[finite berry]

Won't happen

Surely it would be, but that's just dreaming

[hazy owl]

That's what HLL:V is basically except Europe is not the targeted audience

They think they need to create something new. Find some hole in the market and fill it with some new bs. The hole is there for a reason. If they decided to work on HLL 2 and do or fix things they are not able to do with HLL and basically copy pasted all the maps and weapons I would still buy it... would you?

I believe Frostpunk is a great example. The first game is unique, it's simple yet not easy, it is immersive as hell... Tremendous success.. So they thought Frostpunk 2 must be something more, something new and guess what it's nothing like the first game it's a completely different game. There is more people playing the original game over and over again then the new slop.

[finite berry]

Not a rebuild, it's a completely new game

@lime umbra dunno what you clown me for, it is a completely new game, even the setting is new

And since it's a different engine, they can't just copy-paste the code

For what? The different engine?

[cosmic pilot]

The dev blogs

[finite berry]

It'll be on UE5

[cyan saddle]

Not sure if they said the game is being rebuilt from the ground up or "only" many core systems.

Either way a substantial amount is being rebuilt

[hazy owl]

This includes a full upgrade to Unreal Engine 5, bringing significant improvements in performance, visuals, and gameplay systems. Much of the codebase has been reworked from the ground up to support fresh mechanics, features, visual and audio enhancements. These foundational updates are a major reason why Hell Let Loose: Vietnamstands as its own experience.
Source

[cyan saddle]

my goat

[hazy owl]

And based on the fact Team17 spent £30 million on HLL (Team17 website), I believe they really need HLL:V to be a success selling at least 1 million copies just to cover their investment. I also believe many people here wish them success despite all the criticism they rightfully deserve for the past 2-3 years of HLL development which naturally brings the question whether or not T17 can deliver.

This risk is worrying for the HLL community because if HLL:V fails to deliver the whole franchise dies with it... that's my opinion anyways

It's also quite obvious they put way more effort into HLL:V and HLL is left aside for a small team of devs and it seems to explain the lack of development of HLL since HLL:V was announced. It all made sense. They just don't have to lie about it.

Our World War Two-based Hell Let Loose is incredibly important to us and our players. We can reassure you all that Team17 remains fully committed to the franchise.To bring Hell Let Loose: Vietnam to life, Expression have built a second team in order to support both titles simultaneously. One game will never come at the expense of the other. Our focus remains on growing and improving both experiences for our players.

[somber knot]

New map good ?

XD

tanks on that map flying

Infantry teleporting

And you asking why game is dying

Good question yeh ?

[finite berry]

It's not

[somber knot]

It’s not ?

[finite berry]

No

Player count is decreasing slowly, but that does not mean it's dying

Doesn't mean the game is doing good either, tho

[somber knot]

Yeh of course ..

[delicate mortar]

We had that discussion 2 weeks ago

The lack of new players that keep playing after the first 2 hours is a sign of a dying game.

[somber knot]

WOW some one see that

Big W

[lime umbra]

"I don't have HLL, but I'm still here to talk about it. 🙂 I'm a Squad 44 player." But this guy is talkin about current state of Hell Let Loose XDDD Wtf

[sudden carbon]

Any LOD bug updates?

[finite berry]

Yes. Says more about you than about me that I understand the state better. Also, congrats for being one of the few persons here who actually read my about me.

[finite berry]

I dunno, "dying" makes it sound like it's over soon which it isn't.

[somber knot]

How many hours you have in hell

Hm?

[somber knot]

2 Polaków w teame XD

https://tenor.com/view/kingvon-von-durkio-gif-19383721

[lime umbra]

On też chyba Polak XD

[somber knot]

Raczej anty

[thin scarab]

Before Update 20 the dev team really needs to focus on a console performance update.

Right now everything stutters:
Walk = stutter
Run = stutter
Aim = stutter
Shoot = stutter
Mantle = stutter

This just isn’t acceptable anymore.

UI bugs from 3 years ago are still in the game. Half the time you can’t even move up and down the scoreboard properly.

We’ve reported all this so many times — performance issues, small bugs — and nothing happens.

The game runs so bad on console that I honestly can’t believe any dev is playing HLL on a console at home and thinks this is fine.

There are newer games out there running 100x better with way more FPS.

I’m actually really worried for HLL V…
Every update the console version just gets worse.

[somber knot]

Need to or they do that ?

Like how many times its happened?

[finite berry]

In hell, zero. In Hell Let Loose, also zero, but you already know that. Why would that matter tho when the numbers I'm drawing are from Steam charts etc and not from in-game?

[finite berry]

With significantly more developer power behind it (and on a new engine and thus most likely built up from the ground in many aspects), HLLV obviously will be in a better state than HLL.
The important question is how much UE5 will affect the hardware of many players.

Also, even if HLLV indeed turned out to be as poorly optimised as HLL is, people would still buy it.

[somber knot]

so why you say something I have 2 k @lime umbra how many you have ?

[finite berry]

Because the amount of hours is completely irrelevant when talking about something like player count :)

And the longevity of this game

Of course, you'll deny that now, because you've made up your mind that I must be wrong, which is why you'll interpret everything I say in such a way that it leads to the conclusion you had already decided on from the outset :)

[somber knot]

I won't argue with a person who knows nothing about this game

[finite berry]

I probably know more about this game than the average joe without even playing it lol

[novel geyser]

I feel its too early to say HLL is dying, there are games still playable with an even lower playercount

[finite berry]

And again, I don't even have to do that when all I have to do is look at Steam charts :)

[finite berry]

Precisely

[novel geyser]

shooters like HLL have never usually had huge playerbases

[finite berry]

Not saying HLL's player count isn't decreasing, but saying the game is "dying" makes it sound like its servers will shut down in a year or two or so

[grizzled kiln]

2,681
players right now
7,915
24-hour peak

Steamdb. Def not dying

[finite berry]

And that simply isn't the case, by far not

[novel geyser]

yep and thats just the steam numbers

[worthy charm]

Please refrain from spamming this.

[grizzled kiln]

Player count is actually increasing right now 😄 last 30 days +16% so there's that

[worthy charm]

At least on PC

[grizzled kiln]

All I care about tbh

[worthy charm]

The Steam sale does some crazy work

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-master-race-gaming-the-feels-gtx1080-gif-7941212

[finite berry]

At least short-term, yes

[novel geyser]

the game literally got its all time peak this year its just lowering back down close to its more average player count

[finite berry]

Exactly

Going free on Epic Games artificially inflated the player count to absurdly high numbers

[thin scarab]

Spamming really ? LOL

[worthy charm]

2 times the same message is one to much.

Sooooooooo lets not please.

[lime umbra]

In fact it does matter because what u probably dont know, the player count includes seeding bots 🙂 So the numbers in steamcharts are not accurate

[finite berry]

And how many would that be? We talking about thousands of bots now, or what?

[lime umbra]

Probably like 1 - 1,5k but idk. I know it exists, I dont know the numbers

[finite berry]

I see your point, but you also have to take into consideration that it's not always the same amount of them (prime time etc)

Because 1.5k seeding bots would be more than 50% of active players as of now

Which seems a bit high to me

[somber knot]

And it’s a lot competitive hour

[worthy charm]

Im pretty sure those are mostly on epic

[vale garnet]

We had botted seeding long long before epic

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[vale garnet]

It’s one of the major reasons so many clans die now

Because they can’t seed their server over the botted ones

So they don’t get any public recruits

Especially in comp, most players just cycle around the established teams, a brand new recruit is a rare luxury

[cosmic pilot]

Admittedly, on steam, it's dropped to it's average from 2020.

[novel geyser]

even so 7000 is nothing to scoff at

[finite berry]

That makes seeding bots sound like not a very good idea overall

[vale garnet]

They’re awful

But nothing we can do about them

[finite berry]

And do those bots really count as players according to Steam db?

I can't really believe that

[vale garnet]

Yes they’re all steam accounts

You join a server and see that the 70 people in the server is actually just a bunch of AFK bots, one disconnects as soon as a person joins

[finite berry]

wtf

[vale garnet]

Tbh at this point I think most of the popular PC servers are using them

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-huh-gif-5026055331259108593

the f

[halcyon talon]

Team17 drop tha f fix patch

[cyan saddle]

I don't know about NA and CN. But in EU all the big servers are. Together they maybe have 150 accounts total? Not including German communities.

Could well be more than 150 though

[tough ridge]

Oh yea this is true

[finite berry]

Okay, 150 bots out of almost 2.7k still isn't too bad

[tough ridge]

this has been a thing for a while

[grizzled kiln]

so now we need captchas when joining a server 😄

[cyan saddle]

Yeah it's def nowhere near dead internet theory levels

[cyan saddle]

Some communities have been using bots since 2020 😄

[finite berry]

Which is exactly my point when I'm saying this game isn't dying ^^

[cyan saddle]

And I agree with you

[vale garnet]

It’s one of the biggest reasons certain communities always have their servers seeded and others can never get over 30

[cyan saddle]

But I am just a biased T17 simp clearly

[tough ridge]

You only notice it when you just join them when they start seeding

nobody does something

[grizzled kiln]

So @past veldt was a bot all along ?? 😬 Knew something was off

[past veldt]

Bro I'm right here

No need to hurt me like this

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/wassup-sup-jamesharden-gif-9060721280798263545

[tough ridge]

bot behaviour

[vale garnet]

Crit is a bot but we let him go

[past veldt]

Noticed you only got your first ever revive last month btw

Scrub

[vale garnet]

Me?

I don’t even remember doing that my medic is still level 1 I think

[grizzled kiln]

What's a revive ?? 😄

[finite berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1165369525231947946/1446845156757078076/Cat_handshake.jpg?ex=69381a0e&is=6936c88e&hm=50da39c0f40eb6bed23d08a207fad6f67ef6bb77062a7a594bec129dcb29fee2&=&format=webp

[cosmic pilot]

Have 30 bots in a server not playing the game in order to seed it will never not be stupid.

[vale garnet]

I’m more likely to TK a medic than play the class

[finite berry]

Even better, mfs said I get paid for being a T17 simp 🥲 I wish

[past veldt]

Nah, Lestat

[vale garnet]

Stupid but effective

[past veldt]

Saw the trophy pop up for him on steam

[cosmic pilot]

I sincerely doubt it

[vale garnet]

Considering all the big servers right now are botted, you can doubt all you want but it’s true

[past veldt]

AVG Hyrum opinion

[vale garnet]

You can also doubt gravity

[past veldt]

Honestly he is the flat earther of HLL

I wouldn't bother replying to him

[vale garnet]

It’s fine I’m bored in the office I have time

[cosmic pilot]

What makes people stick around after they realize they're the only live person in a server with 30 "people"

[grizzled kiln]

Flat earth society has members all around the globe..,oh snap

[past veldt]

I've been sat on lunch for long enough the light just turned off

@grizzled kiln where are you playing nowadays?

[silk igloo]

seems to work as a business model

[vale garnet]

Servers seed fast after 60, enough people will join quick enough that it feels like the game is picking up and then as bots leave and people join before you know it you’re on 70-80 real players

Once you get over 60 you’re golden

Just need a few real seeders mixed in to make it feel alive

[cosmic pilot]

Consider, you have 30 bots, you run the server live at 50 population.
That means you only need 20 people in the server, if you can immediately replace the bots with live clan members.

[vale garnet]

Like I said, you can doubt it all you want but it absolutely works

[grizzled kiln]

You guys recruiting ?? 😄

[vale garnet]

Insert wth link here

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/hletter-gif-4356103

I only tonk 🙂 but can prob bring a full crew and all 😎

[vale garnet]

Finally we can bench desper

[past veldt]

Was hoping to go the other way for a couple scrims

[vale garnet]

Crit is joining circle with me

[cosmic pilot]

How

[past veldt]

That's too high for me

[vale garnet]

Because people are dumb?

I have VIP on every server I play on I’m not seeding brother not my problem

[past veldt]

I'd look like an average Fragger on Circle

[vale garnet]

Tbf they actually have some cracked shooters

And a dude using smoke filters but we ignore that part

[cosmic pilot]

Okay, then my point is that it "works" if you have a particular definition of "works"

[vale garnet]

Their servers are seeded before anyone else, they have full real player counts through prime time, their seeding means legit servers are rarely ever seeded.

If that’s not effective I don’t know what is

[cosmic pilot]

Your brain on comp

[vale garnet]

This sentence makes no sense but sure

If botting gets your server seeded every single day without fail it works

Even 2-3 servers for one clan in some cases

Bots have killed teams off because they can’t recruit though pubs anymore

In fact if WTH didn’t have the rep we do in comp, we would be dead probably 2 years ago

[cosmic pilot]

Let me put it this way. You're threshold of live players to be considered popped is going to be the same as a server that doesn't use bots.
The only thing I can think of, is if your threshold is 40 live players, having 20 bots will boost your uptick in joins for a short while once you've hit the 60-70 "total player" count.

[arctic rampart]

UPVOTE FOR THE TURKISH LANGUAGE@!11 https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1447235021344608488

[cosmic pilot]

In other words, your time to get 40 live players is probably the same as anything else.

You'd just get a boost after reaching criticality

[vale garnet]

No I don’t like turkey

[arctic rampart]

Then upvote for the Windows magnifier toool!!11

[vale garnet]

I literally don’t care about the analysis of it, it is effective and they do it

And it screws over a lot of other communities

[midnight salmon]

https://youtu.be/bW6flmv3V8I

so much fun playing this trainwreck game is dead anyways

[vale garnet]

It’s not dead it’s just not the same anymore

[arctic rampart]

"Current state of HLL"

Literally starts the video with a bozo abusing nvidia filters for a visual advantage

Pepega

[vale garnet]

I think tbh all the tier 1 teams will die out soon and then people hopefully spread through the lower levels

[midnight salmon]

not the same as in unplayable glitchfest?

[cosmic pilot]

We agree

[cosmic pilot]

Your brain on comp

[arctic rampart]

How come me and the boys don't have teleporting people?

[vale garnet]

Filters don’t make you a better player

[midnight salmon]

most cringe comment i‘ve read in a long time

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/are-we-blind-deploy-the-garrison-director-krennic-krennic-orson-krennic-gif-85241884938120830

[midnight salmon]

defend this trashfest it‘s dead anyways. public has a lot of glitching too. just the jump out of the air while vaulting bugs we had for over a year

or ragdolls flying over half the map

[vale garnet]

Bushete is going off damn

[arctic rampart]

Okay, I watched the vid.
So it's a compilation of a single match where stuff is teleporting around.. and?

I mean the game isn't golden in any way, but how is this meaningful? It's an isolated event off 1 or max 2 people during a single match?

[vale garnet]

All the matches are like this 😂

Ours sucked the weekend before

[midnight salmon]

nah brother all matches are like this

[arctic rampart]

If everyone was tp'ing around all the time, then how come we don't have a gazillion posts of this already?

[vale garnet]

The GHN on Thursday was horrible too

[arctic rampart]

Cause this is legit the first time I see it coming in here. I'd expect like 50+ posts in #1445732994269712505 about it

[midnight salmon]

pub matches lack concentration of players on map. public 1/3 of team is in redeploy screen / not on map. comp everyone fighting cap. that‘s why it‘s not as prevalent in public

[arctic rampart]

Also I'm pretty sure increasing visibility of enemies does make you directly better.

[midnight salmon]

failed ragebait

[grizzled kiln]

The smoke grenade bug is fun tho 😄 flipping tanks over

[vale garnet]

Most of the best players in the game aren’t using them, pure skill issue

[midnight salmon]

DONT CHANGE THE SUBJECT

[grizzled kiln]

Wonder how long that's going to be there 😄

[vale garnet]

The smoke glitches have always been in the game

[arctic rampart]

I mean sure, you'd have like a higher average of being alive, but I would still expect A LOT of posts about it. In offensive matches or something where they are.
Cause let's say we have our 100 players and you need X amount for it to start dropping position packets to the clients, you'd still have many occasions of it happening in pub games too.

[grizzled kiln]

also for flipping tanks ?? Not seen that until recently

[worthy charm]

Did you know that Lebkuchen with apricot filling are amazing?

[vale garnet]

I was flipping tanks with smokes in like 2021

[arctic rampart]

Yeah, you could do it back then as well

[grizzled kiln]

wow 😄 haha

[arctic rampart]

I remember there was also a tree on Hurtgen that let you launch trucks in the sky, but I forgot which one it was

[midnight salmon]

Bro the thread has 70 upvotes what are you smoking?

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1447327266064306279

[worthy charm]

It could have 700 and it wouldnt matter

[arctic rampart]

The upvotes are irrelevant, because the post was simply shared within your comp communities. Directly linking it and then upvoting it doesn't make it an issue that everyone's facing.

By this logic of severity I could go in any match right now and have soldiers teleporting all around me everywhere. Although in many of the clips from that 1 match that was recorded, there aren't even that many troops around, so saying the issue is tangent to player density is void.

[cedar ore]

bro had like 300 ping playing this

[lime umbra]

@lime cypress that's job for u

[cedar ore]

must be the games fault!!!

[somber knot]

Nice another guy who says something and don’t play game XDD

[arctic rampart]

tf you mean?

[vale garnet]

The lack of brain cells in this disc today is amazing

[lime cypress]

already did bro

[somber knot]

1 kebeb please

[worthy charm]

Last time I read the rules brain cells werent required.

Shall I add it to the list of things to change?

-# Im kidding

[cedar ore]

PLEASE

[arctic rampart]

Everyone knows there's multiple aspects of HLL that need lots of work and it has plenty of pitfalls in which it frequently falls into.
But bringing up a single recorded match (w/o context mind you) like it's a gospel and waving a flag saying it's a super prevalent issue across the board is simply false given that there's not that much active reporting of the issue beyond 1 vid and a organized upvoting between private discords.

[somber knot]

Wow

[arctic rampart]

Vehicles getting stuck both before and after the update is a prevalent issue that's been posted and discussed since the beginning of time.

[vale garnet]

Are you okay?

Someone get this guy help

[soft fern]

Dude. Do you not get the point? Most comp games are experiencing this. No you dont get this in your pub games, we get that.

[arctic rampart]

But then bring up the question of WHY

Why are YOU experiencing it, but no one else is?

[past veldt]

Even pub server owners are complaining of rubber banding since U19

[vale garnet]

Yeah it’s in pubs too

Server performance in general has gone worse

[lime umbra]

I wish devs would react for all the feedback players giving same fast as mods deleting my messages 😥

[soft fern]

Allright mate 😂

[vale garnet]

To be fair you rarely say anything useful brother ❤️

[grizzled kiln]

Rubber banding is considerably worse now than it has ever been.

Some servers worse than others. So prob related to server specs, but game backend is struggling

[arctic rampart]

There you, those are valid points to bring up, document, link together and then get Ben to read over it and submit it further. But this is not what that is.

[vale garnet]

Ah yes we the players have to do all the QA for the game of course!

[lime umbra]

That's true but idk what's the point in wasting time by talkin to such biased people like Solid xd

[vale garnet]

I’m waiting to finish work idc 😂

[cosmic pilot]

Solid is smort

Proof, he agrees with my takes sometimes

[arctic rampart]

I mean, we didn't have it in 4 years at least, you'd think we'll have it now, since the comp guys have their knickers in a twist?

[past vortex]

are you sure? he did get into an argument with alf after all :}

[cosmic pilot]

I did too

[arctic rampart]

Cause what I'm discussing right now, is a singular match that provides 0 context to the situation, being fuking paraded around like it's the be all end all of HLL

That's like me recording a bunch of clips of getting killed in a bush and then saying we have a wallhacking problem

[cosmic pilot]

Many such cases

[vale garnet]

And we’ve told you already it’s not one game

[past veldt]

My guy, your view of the universe isn't the only view

This is a daily issue, has been for years, and is now worse than ever

[arctic rampart]

Good to know, then document it and with all the server owners find out why your comp servers are having the issue so prevalantly, but the vast majority of players are playing just fine.

[lime cypress]

💀

[arctic rampart]

Cause again, we all know there's issues.

[vale garnet]

Nothing to do with comp servers.

Same issue in circle and UKLL and PBS and 13SNC servers

[finite berry]

Both are playing, what the hell are you even talking about

Can you just make a point for once

[vale garnet]

You’re just using the fact it’s a comp player making the video to try and make it about comp

[worthy charm]

I hear a lot, but I never see them beside hit reg. at worst

[arctic rampart]

Okay, those are very public servers. So why don't we see a bunch of normies reporting teleporting soldiers in the feedback?

[finite berry]

An actual point

[lime umbra]

Nah, I think @arctic rampart is right, let's do all the job for devs, investigation, proofs etc so they can say "yes we listen, here you have new map" ❤️

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-giga-chad-chad-gif-23788137

[worthy charm]

My game just build different

[arctic rampart]

I mean these bozos are some kind of newbies just yapping in between. Completely irrelevant.

[worthy charm]

Your Oppinios can only be accounted for if you buy the game.

[vale garnet]

Most of the people who play the game don’t even know this discord exists your view of how widespread an issue is, is totally distorted by your idea that everyone who plays the game is somehow invested in it

[grizzled kiln]

The core of the game is just broken. I can't remember the number, but the serve update rate was ridicously low.. Anyone remember ?? 15 ticks ??

[vale garnet]

The best update was the one that made sprint faster

[finite berry]

Oppinios 🤌

[vale garnet]

That was prime HLL

[grizzled kiln]

Until that is fixed, which it might never be. Higher vehicle speed will only make it worse

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-thankyou-michael-scott-theoffice-thanks-gif-9222847

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-sokka-avatar-the-last-airbender-booing-you-stink-gif-10172151488260732264

[past vortex]

sure is < 30 fps :}

[grizzled kiln]

It was lower than 30 I'm sure..

[past vortex]

kinda funny someone would play comp with this :D

[grizzled kiln]

😄

[vale garnet]

I forgot to change my monitor settings and played a whole seasonal on 60 that was fun

[past vortex]

im sure anything over 30 fps doesnt make it better in hll

[midnight salmon]

how is it so hard to understand that 32 ops, 16 garrisons, 100 players actually playing around the hardcap is causing more strain than the public matches with 4 ops and 2 garries and half the players in death/redeploy screen? baffles my mind

[vale garnet]

120+ is absolutely better

[arctic rampart]

Their not invested, but there's still plenty of normies jumping on the discord, even if it is to link up for squads or whatever or read #telegrams.

Again, I'm not saying the issue doesn't exist, we all know it does. I'm just saying, the majority of people who are making these posts are players that have been playing for like 4+ years.
They damn well know that 1 3-min clipped out match isn't going to be resulting in anything.
And they damn well know that the best way to get anything done, if they truly want to, is to do the testing themselves as much as possible and making a properly structured feedback post after that getting the attention of someone like Ben to the further it up the chain.

[vale garnet]

Anything under 100 you feel it

[past vortex]

*feels better

[midnight salmon]

t17 has only been blaming server providers "oh its ddos" "oh the server specs are bad" oh this and that but the game fundamentals just gets worse and worse every update

[main lance]

its every comp match since release whether that is international or same region (multiple server providers, different factors, same results), your acting like its isolated because you dont know all the information, yet your yapping on your perspective from random pub games

[arctic rampart]

I'm acting like it's isolated because that's the only information that 3-minute video provided.

[midnight salmon]

and man have you even played public? teleport, ops not appearing, all this stuff is happening there too. personally i'm just too fed up to spend the time and document it any more

[grizzled kiln]

Not much though the core of the game is broken. Going from 120 to say 240 is something you can feel in CS2 and other comp games. HLL, not so much

[main lance]

These opinions you're hearing are like 500+ people opinions being delivered through a handful of people in this channel

[past vortex]

it doesnt even do 240 :}

[grizzled kiln]

It does tho

[past vortex]

show vid of steady 200, never seen one

[past veldt]

I even rubberband on my truck 900m away from the next player 🙃

[grizzled kiln]

I can run that in 4k even.

[worthy charm]

Why not 8k?

Ded game

[main lance]

I have seen more tanks doing kickflips in the past week than past 2 years

[past vortex]

then be the 1st to upload a YT vid like this, pls

[midnight salmon]

didnt black matter say "dont touch movement speed it breaks everything"? so let's actually change all the speeds cuz why not

[past veldt]

Years ago, Jambax said they set the truck speed to what it was because when they went higher the physics engine started to do weird stuff.

No surprise that since they made tanks faster, we get weird physics

[main lance]

probably has to do with the abysmal tic rate

[midnight salmon]

100% speed + tick

[past vortex]

i mean the truck is already the first thing to rubberband

[past veldt]

8 ticks/seconds was recorded at one point

[grizzled kiln]

Yeah we saw that coming a mile away.

[vale garnet]

T17 love to break the game we know this

[grizzled kiln]

OMFG even lower than I expected lol

[main lance]

8 tick in an fps game needs to be some kind of warcrime or something

[vale garnet]

It’s all a scam to get us to play HLLV

[arctic rampart]

That post could've just been done better.
Link to multiple matches, hosted in different regions (adding this info would be good and I'm guessing you can find out where it's hosted quite easily), multiple different player PoV's of the issue occurring.
I mean if you have the info, why not provide it in a structured way to observe?

[past veldt]

Abu had a spreadsheet somewhere

[midnight salmon]

you're assuming t17 would care to fix it 😉 they'll just say "oh cloudflare got ddosed"

[grizzled kiln]

The fact that we can even play with 8 tick servers ?? OMG..

It's almost like a turn based game at this point haha

[past vortex]

its an SPF game

[past veldt]

When I'm joining a comp server, I have to drive a truck around to work out how much rubberbanding there is. If I feel anything during this stage, I know I'll rubber band once everyone is spawned on the opener, and then I'll change my plans

I literally have to prep a rubberbanding opener Vs non-rubberbanding opener

I don't have the clip to hand, but I died on the Carentan north crossing in a supply truck because I rubberband back into the water

[worthy charm]

You want them to make their own? 😂
Other far bigger games also have issues when this happens.

[main lance]

It wasnt a dissertation, it was one persons perspective from a large overarching issue. Everyone in the comp scene is fully aware of what is happening and also aware with each patch it is getting progressively worse. The real issue is most competitive matches are international in some sense, so these type of issues have major impacts and stop people playing the game

[arctic rampart]

I'm assuming that the organized nature of a competitive community could've come up with something more detailed and nuanced then a 3-minute hit piece with 0 context.
Not to mention the fact that then you have enough explained information and video evidence to back it up to a level where T17 would have a harder time brushing it off to the side.

[past vortex]

it was just the lame exuse, the cf incident was an 40 seconds event

[past veldt]

T17 don't care. We've reported this to them 1000 times

[midnight salmon]

the point is they're probably just making chatgpt come up with an answer so they can deliver on roadmap items instead of fixing fundamentals and play the long game. once hll:v is out hll is cooked anyways (before that probably at the rate they're going)

[grizzled kiln]

Same w BM though

[arctic rampart]

I bet you have. I mean, we've reported all issues to them 1000's of times.
Still makes that single out of context video pointless

[worthy charm]

Im sure you left out a zero, just to be nice

[past vortex]

the actual ddos events on hll take very low effort, so it IS funny they talk about that one biggest ddos ever

[midnight salmon]

https://i.imgflip.com/aeclkv.jpg

[grizzled kiln]

If ppl buy HLL V and expect it to be working much better than HLL are asking for it lol

[arctic rampart]

Oh yeah, this thing's gonna be on life support when vietnam comes

[main lance]

They will care when they realize the mishandling of hll is going to turn everyone off from vietnam before it ever even drops because confidence is at an all time low for their studio, I dont currently believe they have the necessary people or skillset to deliver anything meaningful in the next game

[grizzled kiln]

I guess we could settle for 64 with HLL 😄

even that would be 8x

[worthy charm]

These 2 event come from a different source, im pretty sure you mixing them up

[arctic rampart]

Didn't they out-source all of their devs?

[past vortex]

?
they quoted the big number

[arctic rampart]

I was thinking that was always the issue on why most implomentations of new features were so short-sighter

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1303297725059567709/1359109967310880808/attachment.gif

[main lance]

I mean it definitely feels like an intern using chatgpt and json validator for all their recent patches

[vale garnet]

This plus gana makes it unplayable

[arctic rampart]

Like the map marks giving score, but being able to mark enemies that weren't even seen. - That seemed like a straight issue from someone working on the game w/o knowing anything about it.

[midnight salmon]

probably cut staff and bought claude code AI subscriptions instead

[midnight salmon]

so much this brother

gradual deterioration of the core underlying system

[arctic rampart]

I still chuckled when some dude that joined this dc in 2025 came in here saying idk anything about the game pepega

[main lance]

I think the most obvious sign they dont play/test the game is I played on stalingrad recently and there is a 24/7 airhorn going on in the background for 90 minutes....ANY person testing would have said this is annoying af and turn this off or only play every 15 min

[arctic rampart]

100% agreed on that one xd

And if you make a suggestion about it, next thing you'll have is the War Thunder history buffs giving you a hard time because it won't match 1:1 with irl or some shet

[midnight salmon]

katusha comes from the german side on smolenks 😂 but those are just cosmetics. i'd rather have hit registration

[grizzled kiln]

How about the Panther now even being able to drive out of spawn ?

[arctic rampart]

LOL I SAW THAT TOO INSTANTLY 💀

[worthy charm]

I see we are fighting the auto mod again, the poor guy cant take a break.

[grizzled kiln]

Axis stole the superior Katyusha tech ❤️

[midnight salmon]

but its nice bcz you can much easier snipe enemy garrison that is otherwise protected by buildings

[past veldt]

SPAs can't fire on SMDM while the planes fly overhead because the shells catch the sky box

[midnight salmon]

new meta: build towards the enemy

[past veldt]

And I think the planes are client side thing because I joined a match in progress and still had the planes 🙃

[arctic rampart]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1446542029340282910 Okay this has been reported. Can go +1 it

[worthy charm]

I saw this day 1 of the exp. branch.

Didnt have the time for a fix before release I guess... :}

[arctic rampart]

Tell Ben about it mby

Berlin enjoyer

[midnight salmon]

one of my favorite clips to show hit reg issue

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6FSDz9psuds

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[worthy charm]

@finite berry Execute Plan 17b

[past vortex]

ben runs an ai over reddit to indentify the fix worthy things

[midnight salmon]

take close range kar to the neck turn around and kill me

[arctic rampart]

Has Ben at least laid down that big mfing mattress he had to the right of him?

[cosmic pilot]

Anything less than a thorough dissertation useless.

[arctic rampart]

Dormeo++ ahh 🥀

[midnight salmon]

4real?

[grizzled kiln]

Ben is AI..

[cosmic pilot]

People be saying players be teleporting in a hll match.
I be wonderin' if players be finally building garrisons

[main lance]

if were query reddit for potential fixes, might as well bury the game now

[arctic rampart]

You're clearly not the same

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-gif-23756243

[arctic rampart]

I mean, they just see a bombing run and start drooling

[cosmic pilot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558719334130647051/1447063841291767889/image.png?ex=69379438&is=693642b8&hm=be88000ee99608a268aa3d91a2b24668f785ae292c9a49d6813ec6604158d335&

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-eyes-steve-buscemi-big-eyes-gif-11491116276663604660

I see nothing wrong in that picture

[cosmic pilot]

Pov: you are 10min into the match

[arctic rampart]

At least you're getting nodes right on top of last point 😄

[heady hornet]

dont forget to use it as main source for future updates.

[arctic rampart]

And in the middle of the street

[cosmic pilot]

Nodes go where truck goes

[grizzled kiln]

I'm surprised those nodes are on the right side of the line. I call photoshop

[cosmic pilot]

I'm flattered, but no

[arctic rampart]

It's that fancy AI that all the kids be using now a' days

[cosmic pilot]

The funny part is in that screenshot you can't tell, but we'd almost finished capping center

[arctic rampart]

@worthy charm When are you playing Dispatch with me?

[worthy charm]

Im busy playing bad games, so neva

[cosmic pilot]

It was going to flip to the enemy in 150 seconds

[arctic rampart]

I heard there was a hot alt girl asking for germans that live OUTSIDE of Berlin specifically

[worthy charm]

Sounds like a terrible scam

[cosmic pilot]

I don't know anyone that fits that description chief

[languid zephyr]

None of the devs or really anyone in involved in the feedback loop plays this game with any regularity. Start there.

You can move on to the fact that they actually implemented (commander arty) an ability that destroys 3 garrisons simultaneously , further showing they’ve never spent 5 minutes in a official server struggling for gameplay because of no spawn points.

They then decided that their big play to drop their nuts on the game would be an armor rework. Forget the incredible desync introduced or the flying tanks - they decided to break the asymmetric faction power by rendering front armor useless, adding size pens for p4 and tiger, and just absolutely destroying any semblance of good armor play. As their OWN WAR CORRESPONDENT said - they are rewarding bad gameplay. Oh - let’s buff allied AT with more rockets and pen power. You guys are totally useless. Like it’s the simplest part of the faction symmetry power - weaker bazooka, M1 garand.

[arctic rampart]

True. Both herr and Elise live in berlin

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/listen-here-you-little-meme-you-little-shit-damn-you-damn-it-chicken-kiev-gif-25718782

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/cWLx7SXYv7w.gif

[cosmic pilot]

That's the joke
I was playing into it

[arctic rampart]

Has Maxim been deported from the US yet?

Haven't seen his bum in ages

[drifting python]

I have a question me and my friend was wondering if I could play together I am on epic games and he is on ps5

[arctic rampart]

No

[worthy charm]

No

[drifting python]

Sad

[arctic rampart]

Pc plays with pc, consoles with consoles

[arctic rampart]

It would just be an utter destruction of the console species otherwise

[drifting python]

Well they could add it and then they use the cross play button and turn it off if they didn’t want to play with console players

[midnight salmon]

gospel

[arctic rampart]

This topic has come up many, many times. Devs confirmed that it isn't happening. Sorry bud'

[drifting python]

And what is the reasoning for it

Like what did they say just wondering

[arctic rampart]

Anyone got the post on hand? I sure as shet don't anymore

[past vortex]

consoles use an input method that isnt fit for mp fps games
wouldnt be fun for anyone

[midnight salmon]

https://i.imgflip.com/aecohm.jpg

tbh m1 + bazooka absolute god tier now

[arctic rampart]

#mess-hall message
#mess-hall message

[drifting python]

that’s crazy because I would think if console players didn’t want to play with pc they could just turn it off in the man menu

[arctic rampart]

@drifting python

[drifting python]

Thanks

[past vortex]

most pc players would turn it off before that :}

[harsh egret]

Dude, nobody on console is trying to play against mouse and keyboard. It is never happening.

[arctic rampart]

Why would they? Most would probably enjoy stat padding even more against people that turn around at the speed of a scary movie antoganist

[harsh egret]

There is no scenario where that would be fair

[past vortex]

until they realize they have tohse guys on their own team too :}

[arctic rampart]

True, true.

[umbral osprey]

Yeah but not enough. You get that little amount when you build the OP

[past vortex]

🤔

[harsh egret]

I warned about this before the update dropped. The balance between US and German AT would be utterly ruined, and I was right.

I just want a pre-U18 HLL that runs at 60 fps without constant stutters and crashes. I'd play it forever, but now I have no desire to bother anymore. They ruin everything they touch at this point.

[carmine pilot]

They’d have to add in true aim assist to console for pc and console cross play to have this happen

[somber knot]

First fix the game lol

[carmine pilot]

Well yeah lol

[somber knot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1275533714914541581/1447333254880296970/tankwowSME.mp4?ex=6937e662&is=693694e2&hm=282bbb8fcd25a672a836a9bd0e67ee3c8fee2139b13866dce65bdc00ad828eb3&

[harsh egret]

They should just not do it and people should stop asking. All that will happen is totally unfair advantage for mouse and keyboard, or they buff our aim assist and all the PC players cry about it like they do for CoD nowadays, even though a good mouse and keyboard player is still way faster and more precise than controller and aim assist can ever be.

[finite berry]

Törken

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-nuke-missile-bomb-boom-gif-17452707

[carmine pilot]

I have a clip of a tanking flying in the air, dying to a satchel, and the tank corpse is floating in the air

[somber knot]

Tipical day in hll

Nothing special

)

[carmine pilot]

Always wanted beyblade‘s in HLL

[harsh egret]

I never get to see funny stuff like this since I am generally staring at my Home screen after the game crashes.

[midnight salmon]

oh please share

[somber knot]

Cs in beta is 99times better then that

[midnight salmon]

i mean comparing valve with t17 is like comparing ... i dont even know how you would compare them

[somber knot]

Just hll is unplayable

[lime umbra]

Ferrari to Fiat

[somber knot]

We wait for NEW hot fix maybe this time they don’t destroy everything

[midnight salmon]

fiat does not have rubber banding and can not fly

hot hot hot fix final v5 final final v10

[main lance]

This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read

[umbral osprey]

The matchmaking could just be based on input device and that might be fine

[vale garnet]

In today’s edition of brain dead HLL takes:

[harsh egret]

Cry about it all you want. Yall aren't getting crossplay with consoles. They already decided this long ago.

[icy panther]

there is no matchmaking in this game, it wouldn't be possible to separate console and PC unless it was a server cvar

plus can you imagine the tank physics we would get if console players were let loose on us??

[umbral osprey]

That's what matchmaking means in this context

[main lance]

Don’t want cross play but you have no idea what you’re talking about other than that

[harsh egret]

k

[pale hamlet]

Go into a match

80% of my team afk and on " no platoon "

[harsh egret]

Obviously that's why console players using 3rd party hardware to allow mouse and keyboard is bannable. Because it is totally fair and not considered cheating at all.

[vale garnet]

I only want cross play to wipe the floor with console teams idc about console beyond that

[harsh egret]

Because I don't know what I'm talking about 👍

[midnight salmon]

how did you record that btw?

[thin lotus]

lol
lmao, even, at hll

[pale hamlet]

i want crossplay for the same reason as Alf : Lemme stomp people. What are they gonna do ? change servers ?

[main lance]

Probably external networking tools

[carmine pilot]

Its in here #hll-videos message

[past veldt]

A question for @cyan saddle that one, I think

[cyan saddle]

Speculative estimation

[past veldt]

I think they target 20Hz

[cyan saddle]

That's from 2023. Estimates are probably on the low end but even then it got low.

[cyan saddle]

They do. It's capped at 20. That part I've recently got confirmed.

[thin lotus]

20 was their best case scenario

which isn't good
but it very obviously dips lower than that once you're playing full servers

[grizzled kiln]

It's prob much lower now..

[main lance]

I remember when overwatch released and was on 20, people were pissed dying around corners consistently

[grizzled kiln]

Just make it into a turn based multiplayer shooter at this point 😄

[umbral osprey]

Just had the exact same bug, and 2 minutes later the OP was where it disappeared lol

What a mess

[thin lotus]

sub 20 is absolutely abysmal for an FPS

[somber knot]

I have that in every single mach

[grizzled kiln]

Not only are the assets unoptimized reg triangles and such ( as shown by a user some time ago) , but we have server tick rates around 10 or so. I'm surprised the game can even run at all tbh

[past veldt]

The smoke and mirrors performed are impressive

[lucid gazelle]

HLL getting component-based tank gameplay yet or no?

[past veldt]

There's a quote from Jambax somewhere about how the tank projectiles are really laggy on impact but they hide it via literal smoke and explosions

[delicate bone]

It’s obvious that they’re going to set aside Hell Let Loose WWII to put all their effort into Hell Let Loose Vietnam. What they don’t realize is that the Hell Let Loose community is dying, and by the time Vietnam comes out, few people will want to play it. It will be a zero game if things continue this way.

[thin lotus]

you can see that lagging, it's been like that for as long as i can remember.
The glowing yellow projectile just stops for a bit then explodes

[past veldt]

Do they still move on the grid system as well?

Iirc you could watch them zigzag along

[finite berry]

No. Crowley, it won't change just because you ask every two weeks 😄

[lucid gazelle]

I need it tho

[grizzled kiln]

Not happening, play S44 instead.

[lucid gazelle]

What about mod support for PC?

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-no-chill-out-bro-nah-fam-gif-16233135

Nah bro...

[main lance]

I said this earlier as well, their fumbling of HLL will go beyond to their next game where people will already view it as a waste of time

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-right-breaking-bad-gif-14029087

[finite berry]

And I think that's just this server's echo chamber speaking. The average joe will buy HLLV and will enjoy it

[main lance]

Also the comment above, generally mod support/tools would fix the game. It may be too late in the dev cycle for this game but doing it in HLL Vietnam right off the back would save any missteps made by the devs

[thin lotus]

nah, keep the devs accountable

[main lance]

You don’t want that…for any dev studio

[thin lotus]

no player should have to "save" the devs for their lack of technical know-how.
And for free

[grizzled kiln]

Not happening in HLL V either. But can't say I disagree.

[finite berry]

Mod support generally improves a game

[main lance]

Modding allows players to fix/create anything they want and not be on their schedule or they could be far more talented then the dev team and produce better content

[thin lotus]

I'm not denying that fact

[cosmic pilot]

Not exactly anything they want

[main lance]

Not anything but I hope you understand my point

[cosmic pilot]

It's up for debate if hll modding sdk would allow you to recreate pong in engine

[main lance]

I think at this point, modding would far outweigh any negatives by an extremely large margin for this franchise lol

[cosmic pilot]

That's my baseline for good modding tools, if you can recreate pong, then you can do anything you want

I am 100% dead serious btw

[grizzled kiln]

CS started as a mod for Half Life. Other games have been kept alive for ages due to modding. It's the way to go, but not happening for HLL or HLL V..

[quiet fiber]

for me a important information is missing
how high are the clock rate of the cpus on these servers. You need to include this into the measurement/calculation.

[cyan saddle]

You don't need it to measure.

It affects tickrate, sure

[quiet fiber]

Ok

[cyan saddle]

Either way, I didn't know what CPUs were used at the time and I still don't today

[quiet fiber]

Yea shame we dont get transparency from some providers

[umbral osprey]

Even had it with a garrison now

[icy panther]

if you put down a garri/op and it disappears, it's only invisible to you until you die - everyone else can see and use it

[quiet fiber]

Another important question, when will the end timings be added in the HLU logs? 😄

[past vortex]

quonzer advertises ryzen high end cpus, and it doesnt seem to be noticable better

[past vortex]

also: why asume the in game "ping" isnt roudtrip time ?

[delicate bone]

I would like an opinion on @cyan saddle

[main lance]

Abu is handsome (I have never seen him)

[past vortex]

he is a comp player, so....

[low glen]

Fix the game!!!!!!
Its all pixel blury like its my first day born opening my eyes for the very first time. Its a pixel blury mess! Your losing your player game base!

https://tenor.com/view/no-pixels-cant-see-ben-chang-community-ken-jeong-gif-17361588

https://tenor.com/view/cant-see-shit-gif-10340128

Who aproved this flop of a update!?

[past veldt]

I have seen him. He's a handsome guy

[empty steppe]

It was me

https://tenor.com/b0ewL.gif

[lucid gazelle]

Gib modding support

[past vortex]

dude they cant even make it not performing worse and you ask for mod support :D

[main lance]

Little chance they can actually add modding tools this late in the game but a reasonable ask is to ask it immediately for release with HLL Vietnam

[devout isle]

whats goody my gang

[cosmic pilot]

For how low the ticket rate is, I doubt the CPU is the primary limiting factor, there are caveats to this sentence.

[quiet fiber]

you know that some use cached A2S Protocoll's and meassuring a A2S ping is basically unpredictable. Soul for example uses a 9950x at 5,9Ghz Clockspeed, a tickrate that low is basically machine wise not possible.

[past vortex]

what do you think a2s means?

[leaden fiber]

at least this update is playable, unlike u18 where we couldn't play for 3 weeks and half the player base f'd off to battlefield or arc raiders, never to return

[onyx cave]

Playable? Not at all. I can't see anything beyond 20 metres in front of me; the graphics are terrible. For playstation players this is like playing a game from 1998, and even a game back then had better visibility.

[viscid cobalt]

chat is anyone else on pc getting kicked of high ping when you only have like 20-50 ping

[past vortex]

not really
what is your in game "ping" ?

[viscid cobalt]

20

[past vortex]

naw

thats from the server browser

i mean the one in the scoreboard

[viscid cobalt]

i think it might be becuase of the update because i only started getting kicked after update 19

[past vortex]

look at the scoreboard and report back

[viscid cobalt]

it said i had like 100 ping on the scoreboard

but the server browser said i have like 30 ping

[cyan saddle]

Honestly I doubt that the measurements are even remotely accurate. And you're right, CPU isn't the only limiting factor by any means.

As I said it's all speculative

And you'd expect an empty server to be around 20 Hz

[cyan saddle]

I never mentioned A2S, not sure where you got that from? Unless you're getting things mixed up with ICMP.

[cyan saddle]

End timings?

[past vortex]

what made you think its in game ping x 2 ?

[past vortex]

100 is highish but not unplayable or an autokick

[deft shale]

update so good half the console servers went offline and they all die around midnight ET. but hey you cod warriors are loving it

[civic dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/titanic-titanic-movie-titanicmovie-titanic-sinking-gif-15074436388013849062

[cosmic pilot]

And yet, you're here to post the gif

[deft shale]

Like driving past a bad car wreck. Can’t help but watch

[dull epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/yelling-meryl-streep-cheer-gif-2719597858584334837

[uncut stream]

@vagrant rock

[broken shoal]

is the voice chat bug since the patch arrived¡??

i thought it was server side

[brittle iris]

bratha....

what is this

[nova pivot]

The guy that sent that needs to be sent 2-3 years to Dagestan

[brittle iris]

ofc bratha

6 months 1 time you can call him

[gloomy quartz]

Yo is Hell Let Loose fixed?

[dull epoch]

yes

[gloomy quartz]

Can't wait to play then!

[wet lynx]

Is it normal that the microphone now does not work correctly? A combination of robotic voice with lag, only happends on hll not any other game or app

[past vortex]

not normal

[midnight salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/game-club-fish-penguin-fishing-gif-18077765825755482847

[prisma fiber]

In T17's world it's normal

[neat crown]

Its the Game fixed?

[ocean sage]

That's happened to me before

Last time I played Hell let loose was in Late November, what are the current major problems?

[viscid cobalt]

the connection is really bad; everybody keeps teleporting and rubber banding. hit registration is also pretty bad

[ocean sage]

right I see, what a drag this is

[viscid cobalt]

also the graphics are supposidly super bad on ps5 now

[prisma fiber]

PS2 demake super unpopular

What did T17 mean by this?

[brazen lintel]

Low audio quality is more clearer than epic audio quality? For precision?

[past vortex]

expression of their valuation of console players

[prisma fiber]

I mean, me too, but I wouldn't do that

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/vegito-vegito-gansta-vegito-suit-drip-vegito-bait-used-to-be-believable-gif-315651423676567245

[gilded spade]

Can we have HLL remastered from PS2 to PS5 please thanks

[slate canopy]

It's just retro

(In reality, they workin on it)

[prisma fiber]

Mission accepted

Break walking

[austere ivy]

Walking is already half broken lol. Sometimes you can't even walk over a twig in the ground without vaulting over it 🤣

[gleaming sundial]

What the hell is with this crashin shi

[past vortex]

a hardcore World War Two first person shooter with epic battles of 100 players with infantry, tanks, artillery, a dynamically shifting front line and a unique resource based RTS-inspired meta-game

[glossy sierra]

Having issues with spawn delay, cant dismantle garrisons, and cant bandage

[brazen lintel]

hll developers if ur seeing this please add the french resistance faction or just make it a dlc hehe

[tacit pumice]

gys im trying to learn SPA,

say i need to shoot at 460 MIL and in the bottom right it says -30 MIL.

Does that mean I should aim at 490 MIL or 430 MIL?

[cosmic pilot]

it's showing the elevation at the projectile terminal point

instead of being able to get extra range from being elevated relative to the target it will decrease your range artificially

[tacit pumice]

so i should aim at 490?

[brazen lintel]

did they removed all different types of lee enfield?

[steady plinth]

Is this the mess hall cause the game is a mess?

[slate canopy]

Nah, just a play on "mess hall" being the socialization, living, and dining space in military 😛

[prisma fiber]

https://broomdouglas0-tech.github.io/HLL-SPG-PWA/

[nova pivot]

Are the graphics getting fixed today?

[midnight salmon]

my brother still has hope. t17 team is too incompetent to maintain this game. accept that it’s dead