mess-hall

[finite berry]

^^

UE4 works so incredibly random, it's not even funny anymore

[past vortex]

noo, those are making another game rn :}

[shy relic]

Pain just pain after 3000 hours I deleted it I’m replaying red dead redemption

[covert elbow]

The old devs are working on new games and they also famously said “X is not possible” because they couldn’t work with their own code

[shy relic]

Are they?

[covert elbow]

This is just HLL and it’s something you have to accept

[slate canopy]

You do you. I'm still gonna play.

[past vortex]

Hunger extraction game, looks quite nice

[shy relic]

How are they making new stuff if they struggle with their own code

[worthy charm]

react this woman

[shy relic]

I don’t wanna do me I wanna play hell let loose the way it used to be-just simply playable

I’m not even asking for high performance or anything just playable how it used to be

Not crashing every 30 minutes

[slate canopy]

It's playable for me 😬 Guess I'm lucky?

[shy relic]

You are

[worthy charm]

Ahhhhh EA with BM was one kind of a time

the good ol´ times

[quasi coral]

are the servers down?

[shy relic]

Its been so inconsistent loads of ppl still complaining about crashes

[finite berry]

Do it like me and play Unreal Tournament '99. :D

[shy relic]

And a lot ppl like you saying they not crashing anymore

[past vortex]

she got a -* real *- PC

[slate canopy]

https://status.epicgames.com/

[worthy charm]

People "complain" about crashed after every update

[finite berry]

The code being a mess does not mean you can't add more stuff.

[worthy charm]

Its a common thing for this game

[night lark]

Idk why youd have epic games when steam exists. Epic always seems to have problems with stability and downtime

[worthy charm]

A tale old as time itsself

[slate canopy]

My PC is like 4 years old tho lol

[shy relic]

But you shouldn’t just how you don’t add more floors on a house that the foundation is cracking

[worthy charm]

-# not as old as clown tho

-# kidding

[past vortex]

its still a pc

[finite berry]

If Epic Games didn't give away free games occasionally, no one would use it, change my mind. It is objectively inferior to Steam in every way imaginable.

[covert elbow]

Cause they made new code

[elder dune]

They also just redid a map to optimise it

[finite berry]

You do not seem to realise that cleaning up the code isn't something you do in two weeks or so.

[covert elbow]

Or they probably still do my understand their code

[shy relic]

It’s been longer then two weeks

[past vortex]

you actually get the feeling they got a team at epic who works on making sure they get absolutely everything worse than steam :}

[finite berry]

Tell me, if they abandoned everything else, what do you think how long it would take them to "fix" the code?

[finite berry]

For real

[slate canopy]

Honestly, besides when I played Fortnite, which I stopped after like 2019 or 2020?, I did that for a while... then just gave up.

[finite berry]

In my eyes, there are two reasons why one would use Epic Games Store. Free games and SDK. That's it, Steam just beats it at everything else.

[past vortex]

its too bad that crytek is folding :{

[smoky arch]

Hell let loose Vietnam is an entirely new game right? Since it's not a dlc how much will it cost?

[covert elbow]

Probably $50. I don’t think they stated the price yet

[abstract lichen]

steam gave me a £80 game for £2.50 once

gave my friend a £70 game for £0.89 once

[finite berry]

So?

So?

[abstract lichen]

i love steam

Steam is GOATed

[shy relic]

I was gonna ask you this before I dipped

How long could it potentially take already to fix?

[finite berry]

I dunno

Years, I guess

[slate canopy]

I thought you were a dev 🤫

[gray garden]

trueee

[finite berry]

And that is if they stopped working on everything else and purely concentrated on code

Which will never happen for the obvious reason they still have to pump out content

[gray garden]

it ain't possible bruu

the code is perma borked

they need a new game, so we're heading to Nam

[thin lotus]

"Creating Vietnam as a separate [UE5] title has allowed us to upgrade and overhaul many core systems that are challenging to change when supporting a live service title such as Hell Let Loose."
"Much of the existing codebase has been reworked to support new features, mechanics, and visual enhancements."

😬

[covert elbow]

No; I’m the dev

[slate canopy]

Ahhh, thanks for reminding me 😎 👉 👉

[covert elbow]

No problem

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-sousou-no-frieren-frieren-beyond-journeys-end-anime-kiss-anime-elf-gif-1944987768966892138

[finite berry]

I like the "the dev", as if there is only one lmao

[past vortex]

i thought drew was the secret dev

[past vortex]

part time

[covert elbow]

I got hungry and ate the rest so I’m the only one left

[fading gale]

we have a chinese problem on european servers

wtf this chinese here?

region lock that country

[covert elbow]

?

Hell are you on about

[fading gale]

european servers flooded with chinese players

[covert elbow]

What’s the issue?

[fading gale]

its china

thats the issue

[covert elbow]

And?

I don’t see what the problem is

[fading gale]

we dont want chinese

[covert elbow]

Okay so like

[fading gale]

250ms ping, cheaters and talking chinese

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/bDmSV.gif

[fading gale]

every squad in chiense

40 players are chinese

wtf we need this for?

on a european server, why we need chinese playing from china, talking only chinese in european server? where can I post screenshot before more morons try to use racism card?

#1434412821017264199 message here is the screen shot

[empty steppe]

Lmao 🤣

[fading gale]

every singe squad is chinese

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/vaPIi9L6NDy.gif

[fading gale]

I cant take screenshot of entire squad list, every squad is chinese in european server

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-gotta-be-racist-gif-19404196

[fading gale]

you are blocked

[slate canopy]

Who cares? Don't be racist, and there isn't region lock. As long as ping is good, people can play on whatever server.

[covert elbow]

He’s a league player though so I makes sense

[fading gale]

in chat people cant find a single officer speaking english

[covert elbow]

OooOOOoooOoOooo calling you out for being racist OOooooOoOOO

[covert elbow]

Then swap servers lmao

[fading gale]

how do we play this game in english on a f european server?

every squad, has chinese officer, wtf are we doing here?

[fading gale]

ping is 300

I die before the guys show from cover

its like DDOS zerg or something on european servers

[covert elbow]

That’s not how ping works

[fading gale]

Im not talking about 1-5 chinese, its like 80% of players on european server

[covert elbow]

Oh he actually blocked me lmao. Guess I’m no help here then

Can’t wait to see this guys name get deleted ig

[slate canopy]

It's also like 6-8 am for Europeans. Chill.

[fading gale]

its been since friday

I noticed, today never seen so many

are no servers in china? why come to play here with that ping?

at least to speak english

[covert elbow]

For a guy who wants to play in English only servers he’s not very good at English

[slate canopy]

We get it buddy. Change servers, play somewhere else.

[slate canopy]

Be nice you.

[covert elbow]

He blocked me so gloves are off lmao

He can’t even read what I’m saying

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-anime-elf-cute-kawaii-gif-1391919008270779198

[fading gale]

okay tell europeans not to play on europeans server, in english

well done

[slate canopy]

Like I said, it's early morning for Europreans.

[covert elbow]

Guys going to start ranting “England only for the English!” Or something like that soon

[fading gale]

1 why are they even here, why european server in UK?
2 why even play with 200+ ping

[slate canopy]

Who cares. Drop it.

I've played with plenty of Asians and they try their best, even communicating in English. (They may communicate amongst themselves in their language, but whatever.).

[fading gale]

come join me

find me one that speaks english, because I bbeen trying to ask them myself why they are here

makes no damn sense, why would someone play with high ping

no servers in asia?

[slate canopy]

We get it. Drop it. (also I'm going to bed.)

[fading gale]

dude even english players in chat are asking this. lol

yestrday afternoon was the same thing

nothing to do with morning

no one knows the answer as to why

[slate canopy]

Why? Because they can and they wanna play. There are Asian servers but they played on that server. Not a big deal.

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/rawr-cat-lion-like-yawn-kitty-gif-16897243544055376803

[fading gale]

its not simply as wanna play, its either some issue on their side or not enough servers

[slate canopy]

I can see they aren't fully populated. Maybe they wanna work on their English, just play on another server. Whateverrrr.

[fading gale]

200 ping is not fun

they dont say a word, told you join my game

someone typed in chat "servers down"

I asked in chat, if a chinese can answer and been told "servers down ddos"

[fading gale]

thats a red flag

2 chinese confirmed in english that their servers are down, DDoS

@slate canopy can you rise the issue?

[slate canopy]

Nope. It's on the server owners to deal with it.

[fading gale]

well doesnt that affect us on europe if they cant play there?

if the servers are underattack that is like HLL is under attack

[slate canopy]

Owners pay for the servers on support server hosts.

[fading gale]

you deleted what I said, but know this we gonna spam it on all european servers so you guys deal with it, like it or not you guys will address the server issue

[empty steppe]

This gotta be rage bait lol

[covert elbow]

That’s what I’m saying

[glossy echo]

Why is half the mess Hall about Chinese players in European server?

[finite berry]

I mean, I kinda get why he's complaining; it's not racism either

If your server is full of people that don't speak your language (and probably refuse to do so), have high pings (can potentially affect server stability) and potentially have names you can't even pronounce, I'd be upset too

Especially considering those Chinese players most likely have their own servers to play on; I mean, regional servers exist for this very reason

[worthy charm]

Not like admins couldnt ban these people...

Also after we had a really fun 3 weeks and server still sometimes dont work, suggesting to change the server is crazy.

Besides that I had a good laugh at the gifs

[bold gale]

That's true, but he said, that asian servers being DDoSed

[finite berry]

That's understandable why they played on EU, but that still doesn't change the fact that EU servers get unplayable for Europeans

[bold gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/848287124800405546/1366198567169163335/document_5201702095538909140_3_1.gif?ex=68101311&is=680ec191&hm=dbddfb5059f831048f6908f0a24e3b28a255fede0d52c2158b105c71c287efa5&

[iron nest]

Does this game still use the HP-based vehicle mechanics? Or have they changed it to something more like WT's modules?

[past vortex]

they only changed values

[iron nest]

Oh okay so still no ammoracking or weakspots?

[past vortex]

indeed

[iron nest]

Aight thanks

[worthy charm]

Ahhh back when the J76 was bugged and had a frontal weakpoint.

[iron nest]

I mean it should have one at the MG port

[worthy charm]

Probably

Thats wasnt the weakpoint tho

[cosmic pilot]

Your brain on war thunder, "why isn't every game like war thunder? Silly little hp pools"

[abstract lichen]

i mean WT like modules would make sense for a game like this. Enlisted and S44 have it. This is a realistic game after all

[worthy charm]

Both of thoses games play very diffrent

Especially Enlisted

[past vortex]

saying the tank models in wt/enlisted and s44 are not strictly better is a strange cope :}

[azure heath]

I mean we should have some likeness to a realistic damage model.. and that's what we have

You aren't supposed to switch to this game with your thousands of hours of experience in other games and dominate in this.

I like it. It forces you to relearn

[past vortex]

there isnt much to learn tho :D

[obtuse dragon]

Duuuude

yk what would be cool

If the engineers were able to deactivate landmines

without having to shoot them

[finite berry]

Wait, does shooting mines actually disable them in HLL???

[obtuse dragon]

yeah, it makes them explode 🤓

[finite berry]

wow xD

That's CoD-level bullsh it

[obtuse dragon]

you disable them

permanently

[bold gale]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-warthunder-gameplay-gif-2516662938806548976

[nova oracle]

Are you a member of the fairer sex? Or a man?

[finite berry]

I'm a man, sorry to disappoint :b

[nova oracle]

WUT

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-fiona-gif-16230780548150807707

[nova oracle]

Well at least you aren’t pretending you are

There’s a guy in KRRC who uses a voice changer and pretends to be a girl, he’s scottish, one of the guys we knew was flirting with him asking for “her” instagram, he came back from the toilet and forgot he didn’t have the voice changer on and he started speaking again, it was Hilarious also really creepy too

I knew straight away he weren’t a she when he said they he didn’t have an instagram

[iron nest]

More like "It'd be great if a realistic milsim gets to use a realistic damage module"

[finite berry]

HLL is not a milsim

It's tactical shooter that is heavily leaning arcade

[iron nest]

I mean... sure... a bit better than Battlefield and other arcade shooters, but are you telling me a 75mm APHE to the side of a Tiger doesn't necessarily one-shot the thing?

[cosmic pilot]

but warthunder's damage model isn't even realistic

https://tenor.com/view/warthunder-war-thunder-gaijin-gaijin-moment-gif-9153503575223340897

[iron nest]

Not necessarily the most realistic out there, but compared to HP-based systems? It's a no-brainer

You can go full-on GHPC and it's even better

[cosmic pilot]

war thunder uses HP

[iron nest]

As in?

[night lark]

ah yes, War thunder with is janky physics and obvious russians bias

[gray garden]

You're way weirder than that person for remembering this and sharing it, actually. :P

Also, plenty of people in general don't engage in the social media slop machine, that's just good mental health practice.

[past vortex]

yea assuming gender on discord is quite weired :D

[cosmic pilot]

it's so easy to guess correctly tho

i shall demonstrate by predicting that huk is an efeminate...i have been advised by my legal team to discontinue this joke.

[past vortex]

dude cant you keep your ragebait civil

you seem desperate, but think again before typing, please

[cosmic pilot]

gate's gotta be kept by someone...

[past vortex]

yea i understand but try something with any base next time :D

but i guess thats your problem, you dont dare to say what problem you have with me because thats probably not aceptable

[cosmic pilot]

my only real problem with you is i find passive aggressiveness annoying
it's very surface level

[past vortex]

its not passive

[finite berry]

based answer, ngl

[nova oracle]

“You’re weirder than the 40 something yr old Scott pretending to be a girl online, for remembering that he pretends to be a girl online”

Hilarious logic

[gray garden]

Yes being virulently obsessed with how someone else chooses to present online makes you a weirdo

[nova oracle]

Sounds like you’re harbouring peds in KRRC

Is prince Andrew in KRRC

[gray garden]

I dunno what krrc is

[kind surge]

Game down?

[magic nymph]

any issues with community servers ?

[nova oracle]

So a grown 40 something year old man pretending to be a woman isn’t weird?

Y’know before charities we used to put these people in insane asylums

[gray garden]

You're "pretending" to be Jack Sparrow, you know..

We all craft our own image.

[past vortex]

some even elect those as pres

[nova oracle]

Vladimir Pudding

You don’t stay in power as long as Pudding without being smart

[past vortex]

lol

[nova oracle]

“I am not a crook”

• Mouthwash Zelensky

[past vortex]

omfg

[nova oracle]

Do you watch spitting image?

[past vortex]

you are a worthy replacement for kedo :}

[nova oracle]

Hell let loose needs spitting images

Burger breath Americans, don’t get me started on the French

[past vortex]

no one wants you to get started

[nova oracle]

Poor optimisation because of Australians on a Japanese server

[gray garden]

everyone is waiting for u to stop

[nova oracle]

“Do you visit the cloud district often?”

[gray garden]

⚰️

[nova oracle]

3,500 hours? Do you have a job?

[gray garden]

Yes, I got one and haven't played hll since July

[nova oracle]

June?

[gray garden]

July* actual

[nova oracle]

Actual? Oh no he’s Milsim

“Bravo one actual to Papa bear”

[gray garden]

huh

no i meant i haven't played the video game hell let loose since the month of July, actually

[nova oracle]

Why?

It’s leagues above cod

[gray garden]

cause i got a job 😏

[nova oracle]

Battlefield 6 is basically MW 2019

[gray garden]

https://tenor.com/view/morrissey-the-smiths-this-charming-man-johnny-marr-gif-27582811

[nova oracle]

I get bored of these modern warfare clones

Hell let loose Vietnam I’m gonna slap it with a September release

[gray garden]

The solution is just to not play shooters cause they're all slop

[nova oracle]

Nothing will top Fortnite interms of popularity

[novel mantle]

csgo

[nova oracle]

Do people still play.CSGO?

[novel mantle]

Mate there's over 1 million concurrent playing right now

[nova oracle]

Games ancient

Impressive

[novel mantle]

csgo 2

or cs 2

[nova oracle]

Who remembers TF2?

[novel mantle]

and people play fortnite?

[nova oracle]

Fortnite got Simpsons

[novel mantle]

I remember playing it pre-covid

Stopped after like 2019

[nova oracle]

Chapter 2

[nova oracle]

Pre-Covid were the days

The glory days

[novel mantle]

this was fun
https://youtu.be/eg3jL3V7JCI?si=3J5LnDFYETfvA9UU

[nova oracle]

When people were happier

[novel mantle]

I was 18 at the time

[nova oracle]

I was either 18 or 19 depending on the month

My group always say I sound the oldest

25 is ancient allegedly

[gray garden]

dam so you're just cosplaying as a Gen X Karen for fun then

[fringe hollow]

the modules have HP to determine if they should be destroyed or not. Not the same as a full HP pool though, I guess he's just trying to bait

[abstract lichen]

every game has HP

[slate canopy]

Then I am dead ... And Clown is buried for like 20 years

[silk igloo]

real life tanks have HP. you just need to hit those molecular bonds with big enough kinetic damage. prove me wrong

[abstract lichen]

some games just have more complicated modules with HP instead of a HP pool, like WT, Enlisted and S44

[past vortex]

yea

enlisted has only half of what wt does btw

[iron nest]

Fair point I guess, but said module HP is almost negligible as a factor in determining the vehicle's survival compared to, well, penetration and/or post-pen values

[fringe hollow]

Yeah that makes sense. I didn't see if anyone replied so I did. I like modules WAY more than full health systems.

[abstract lichen]

wym? dont they just take the vehicles out of WT and into Enlisted?

[past vortex]

they do, but while all the modules are there some are ignored
notably radiators

[empty steppe]

That could be the reason more Chinese players are using Eu servers if the anticheat isn’t working and there’s too many cheaters on there servers? I mean that would have to be tested or something 😂

[bold gale]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-soprano-the-sopranos-disappointed-shake-my-head-reaction-gif-8454516453669403576

[abstract lichen]

i just encountered a massive fortress on cabbage fields

someone literally just copied what Warfrags FPS did building for building

we lost

[steady vessel]

So neat that servers are crashing still. Hotfix 24 when?

[worthy charm]

Life can be hard
(My english is great as always)

[abstract lichen]

i mean radiators didnt matter in WT anyways sooooo

[smoky arch]

Anyone else have a glitch on steam where every first time you join a server is boots for 5 min then kicks you then ur fine for the rest of the session?

[nova oracle]

A good bombing run, well placed artillery and Satchels can turn the tide

Not many people realise this however you can drop airheads into barns and houses like the ones on Kharkov, super helpful

[smoky surge]

Can T17 sell HLL back to Black Matter and have a competent dev team take control?

[covert elbow]

Black matter was competent?

[worthy charm]

Lmao

People still thinking BM did a good job is amazing.

You gotta take more copium than elise when he talks about why S44 isnt dead to believe that.

[steady vessel]

Worst thing I saw BM do was make fire from tank damage cause FPS to plummet. They fixed it in like a week. Its been three weeks and servers/games are still crashing.

[worthy charm]

Lmao again

What are the prices these days on copium?

Gotta be expensive in this economy .

[steady vessel]

We really should have shut down the community servers for a few weeks.

[slate canopy]

Why?

[thin lotus]

if only the server owners had the sack to do it

[worthy charm]

Last time someone tried this other servers just had a good time with easy seeding.

-# Thats what Sam said.

[steady vessel]

You mean back when the game was bright/shiny/new and recruiting for communities / comp teams was top priority? Maybe there was some real incentive for doing that then lol.

[smoky surge]

@worthy charm drinking the T17 koolaid

[worthy charm]

What tf is koolaid?

[smoky surge]

T17 bought an already popular game and drove it down

losing players

[worthy charm]

Would BM wanted to make the game better they wouldnt have sold the IP...

Also saying the game was much better then is also... arguably not true.

They ignored the loadout and grenade bug for years, and not even to start about the broken promises of the kickstarter

They didnt even do half of that... Not to start about the original Vision for the game which isnt what they did in the end at all.

[smoky surge]

The loadout bug thats STILL in the game?

[worthy charm]

Not for me and the people I play with?

[oak current]

https://tenor.com/ImgL.gif

[steady vessel]

Grenade bug is also still in the game afaik. Also now there's an entire settings bug.

[oak current]

drink-powder you add to water @worthy charm

[worthy charm]

Sometimes it can happen with the steam Tuesdays but thats not a T17 issue

[worthy charm]

Ewww

[thin lotus]

HLL under BM : 😬
HLL under T17 : 😬

[worthy charm]

Like holy?

xD

[oak current]

introduced in the 20s - gonna be 100 years of koolaid in 2 years

[worthy charm]

When are you doing a Promotion for them Altberg!!

[oak current]

thing is...I would

[worthy charm]

That has to be the most accurate Chum take ever.

[oak current]

I actualy drink HOLY for like a year now

but not in the dosage they write on their packaging - like that dosage is insane

they want you to put like 7g of their powder into 500ml water.
I put 2-3g into 1,5 L and its good

[worthy charm]

Can you feel the sugar turning your blod into syrup?

[oak current]

7g into 500ml would just flash my brain

[worthy charm]

😆

[oak current]

with under 1g sugar per 1,5L now, I feel fine

better than drinking coke or other shit every day

but, this is #mess-hall
Enough of HOLY drink powder

unless HLL does a collab with them.
If so, hit me up T17

[smoky surge]

https://tenor.com/view/zoomer-tide-pods-eating-snack-glasses-gif-16629132

[nova pivot]

Koolaid horses?

[oak current]

Skibidi?

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/vegito-vegito-gansta-vegito-suit-drip-vegito-bait-used-to-be-believable-gif-315651423676567245

[hoary cobalt]

why does every server put on the damn saint mere englise and the other one on

like im trying to play more winter maps✌️

[covert elbow]

Cause there the “most balanced”

It a the same reason you don’t see the desert maps or eastern front that often

People who pay for these servers are there for “good” maps

[hoary cobalt]

the desert map is horrible but the vibes make up for it🥹

[thin lotus]

server owners will not chance anything that'll have players leave

[covert elbow]

Plus a lot of the community don’t like playing on anything other then the Normandy maps

[covert elbow]

That’s what I’m saying

[hoary cobalt]

or any winter map

like bro im playing HLL, of course its not balanced. Im relying on 49 other people

[solar slate]

I miss night maps, the few we had were so atmospheric but when the devs made so many variants it soured the community on them

[hoary cobalt]

i played as germans on US offensive on utah ONCE
and that one time it was frickin awesome

[slate canopy]

I do wish they had more map rotations.

[covert elbow]

The horrid public servers

https://tenor.com/view/bop-bop-bop-shoebody-bop-squad-summon-dark-magic-gif-13983602502478731881

[obtuse dragon]

Yk...

I feel like they should rework the headshot sounds 🤓🤓🤓

[slate canopy]

Don't you DARE take my ding away. 😠

[obtuse dragon]

No like, atleast add an extra sound to it, not just a metal "Ding" as if you hit a tin can With a bat and send it flying, something that really feels like you headshoted someone/you got headshoted by someone

[covert elbow]

I’d appreciate it if all the hitmarker sounds were removed and the ding was an AOE for people near the killed player

It’s honestly kinda OP that I can just spray a bush, hear the required amount of hits for a kill, and then move on because I know I got the kill despite not seeing the body

[obtuse dragon]

Like rising storm 2, it has a "Ding" headshot sound, but without a helmet the enemy receives no headshot indicator... While you receive a fleshy sound because a bullet Just went through your head

[covert elbow]

That would be good

[obtuse dragon]

Tbf, to me they're redundant

If you see a guy and hit him you'll see him flinch, bleed and fall if he dies, the hit sound isn't needed at all and only helps you to spray & pray to get unfair kills through the smoke

[covert elbow]

I mean that’s my point. It’s unfair

[thin lotus]

it's not exploitative, stop exaggerating

[covert elbow]

I’ve gotten a lot of kills with automatics because I’ll hear the hitmarker and then keep spraying until I hear enough hitmarkers to confirm my kill

[obtuse dragon]

My mg 42 reaction

https://tenor.com/view/black-dog-dog-dog-bite-bite-crazy-gif-10076790192838665171

[covert elbow]

It’d be much better if they just removed the meat hits so people actually need to be careful and confirm hits

[thin lotus]

hit thud sounds have been in the game since the beta, it's not going anywhere

[solar slate]

Rare chum sighting advocating for a mechanic that improves player experience over gameplay depth

[thin lotus]

i dont think i've ever been an advocate for 'depth'. Certainly not in the context of complexity for the sake of complexity. Tedium is often disguised as "depth", and should be avoided.

Efforts to improve player experience is very important, but you have players that don't know the difference of what's needed to get there

[steady plinth]

Are we gaming chat?

[empty steppe]

I’d say it’s pretty normal for a game to give you hit markers, and in this case, just a hit noise is less than most games give, I don’t see a problem.

Gosh I’m struggling to grammar 🫩

[thin lotus]

BM did go through the effort of making the blood hits much more visible. Seems they'd rather have players know what they're hitting rather than keeping this supposed 'did i kill him' mystery that what (bad) players advocate for

[covert elbow]

Like I said, it’s easily abusable to get kills through fog and foliage

So I’d prefer if it was gotten rid of entirely so you can still you know you got a kill when your looking at someone, but can’t spray and pray then be rewarded by listening for hitmarkers

[real parrot]

Not really, if the guy its moving by the time you identify the hit and shoot again hes already gone, and if you are spraying with an auto there would be no diference, as you can't really aim that much

[glass bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-the-fuck-up-shut-your-damn-mouth-shut-up-shut-bruh-shut-gif-25292827

[dire crater]

BM>T17

[empty steppe]

Agreed

[glossy echo]

Will we get the dev brief today

[worthy charm]

Usually Ben does this kind of stuff at the end of the day.

So its another 6/7 hours

[slim lynx]

Anyone having sound cutout issues? Dont want to raise a thread for it.

[analog apex]

if you mean the cutouts for example when we are driving/riding and suddenly the vehicle engine gets quiet for a second or 2 until the sound recovers, yep... that's "normal" (for HLL)

explosions/other sounds sometimes not playing either, it's more rare but not rare enough

[slim lynx]

Nah. Its only after latest update. Game just micro-freezes, sound cuts out, cant move mouse. So weird.

[analog apex]

micro stutters were a thing even before U18 (ever since P14.3), but honestly it seems to be worse for certain randomly people each time

so far, I have been it that "lucky" group every time 😬

well, it's always a majority so a chance for such luck is large after all

[worthy charm]

I would go gamble in a Casino with your luck.
Surely it cant go wrong.

Im sadly a very unlucky person.

[analog apex]

I meant I am lucky to be among those who get the stutters, so my luck is just as bad 🙁 .

hence the quotes surround the lucky word 🙂

I am a living bad luck.

[worthy charm]

What are percentages? Something like 60/70% or lower?

Idk

My game runs suprisingly good

[covert elbow]

I should go gambling…

[worthy charm]

For Horsegirls?

[covert elbow]

I don’t have the space on my phone :c

Maybe if I upgrade

[worthy charm]

Black Friday should be soon

[covert elbow]

True

[worthy charm]

I saw the Black ships are back in WoWs. :}

[analog apex]

already is... Alza.sk

[worthy charm]

Getting a juicy 60/70% of on a new phone is nice.

-# Im gonna stop now...

[azure heath]

Good morning everyone! Hope you have blessed and fruitful day!

||@fluid pawn @gentle lintel @worthy charm @cyan saddle @alltheotherguys||

[fluid pawn]

morning smoggless! happy monday

[azure heath]

Happy Monday to you too sir!

Is it evening there?

[fluid pawn]

It's coming up on lunch time shortly

[azure heath]

Oh wow I'm off! Mi dispiace!

[fluid pawn]

So, will you be jumping into a few games of Smolensk this Friday by any chance 👀

[worthy charm]

Good morning is it still 6 or 7 oclock over there?

[azure heath]

I'll try my best to! However I got a little problem.. no PC

[worthy charm]

-# Im sorry I just couldnt

[azure heath]

When is Hell Let Loose PTE coming to Geforce Now?

[gentle lintel]

Who’s your favourite

Is it ||<@721403926825664583||

Well that didn’t work

I’ll just leave that there

[worthy charm]

So you cant even test the SPAs?

Thats just sad

[nova oracle]

WOW

[slate canopy]

#leftout 😿

[glossy echo]

#justiceforTehPolarBearr

When dev brief about Smolensk and SPA?

[oak current]

good morning ||@plush mango ||

[cyan saddle]

toxic

[silk igloo]

i already forgot we'll get to test the SPAs this friday. i got surprised twice! yay

im looking forward to growing old with dementia

[worthy charm]

Now we just need to invite Clown and Sam, to have an great party.

Maybe also Altberg, not sure tho...

[nova pivot]

Ja

[analog apex]

so several telegrams in the past 8 days about the hotfixes, but I am still crashing with almost the same frequency - both fatal errors and the server disconnects...

[finite berry]

Have you tried turning it all off and on again?

[analog apex]

my game just crashed when I was about to take out enemy airhead... great

I hope the telegrams were not just lip service because from the last one it seems they consider all good enough now, to be able to advance to U19

...while the game is the same unstable

[finite berry]

But isn't there a general reduction of crashes and an increase in stability?

Compared to the clusterf uck that U18 was?

[analog apex]

if there is, I didn't notice it

I have played just like 3h yet today and I already managed to get 2x connection lost to host and the fatal error

[past vortex]

well they dont even pretent to try to fix the fatal errors that existed before the update

[analog apex]

yep, I reported them well enough with the U17

[past vortex]

i also think they didnt catch all instances of the u18 bug

they just reduced it

[finite berry]

Problem is that as soon as it's no "general problem" anymore, it might just become a problem worth ignoring for T17

[past vortex]

wdym "might"

[azure heath]

Good afternoon/evening/day/night to you as well!

I hope you have the best day compared to these losers who are only having a blessed and fruitful day!

[analog apex]

it's still general problem - half of the server was booted with the connection lost to host today

[past vortex]

not in that sense

you gotta see it in relation to the amount of bugs they usually ignore

then its no big deal anymore

right @fluid pawn ?

[finite berry]

Then people should report it properly because otherwise T17 won't notice

[past vortex]

so you are saying they would notice the reports?

how would yk?

[analog apex]

I think they are

[thin lotus]

just 3hrs

[limpid stone]

Hello everybody

[finite berry]

My bad; I didn't realise #1430214896259436665 was more active than I thought 🥲

[nova pivot]

Weren't they supposed to show us more of Smolensk today?

[glossy echo]

They usually release dev brief 5-7PM

[dapper sparrow]

Even if they notice - which I doubt - they don't care.

[analog apex]

it seems the VOIP is down on all/most servers right now... 13SNC and PBS - dead comms, VOIP nonfunctional

[finite berry]

Yesn't. If the problem appears to be too wide-spread, they will care

[finite berry]

With this pace, U19 won't come out before 2030

[dapper sparrow]

based on historical data I beg to differ.

[finite berry]

I mean, look at the recent hotfixes 🤷‍♂️

They indeed did adress the problem and even delayed U19 because of it

[past vortex]

basically only if more people than usual stop playing

[glossy echo]

Anything about Smolensk?

[worthy charm]

Ben!

[covert elbow]

It’s to late at this point. No news today

[worthy charm]

Where is my Dev bbrief?

[worthy charm]

Youre a dev, just make him release it

[covert elbow]

That means I have to release him and he’s to good an asset to escape

[worthy charm]

Just release goldship to hunt him down

No one is faster

[austere grail]

They should just make it illegal to play he’ll let loos without vc

[thin lotus]

😬

[austere grail]

I remember the days where like

I used to play and everyone talked

What happened

I need an explanation

[worthy charm]

2018 in the beta?

[covert elbow]

He doesn’t believe in horses so she can’t touch him

[worthy charm]

:}

[austere grail]

No dude like 2018-2020 too

[covert elbow]

Christmas rules and all that

[balmy hazel]

Hopefully they're working on another stability hotfix. It feels really bad loosing connection especially with the long matches. My PC got bricked last night and I had to manually restart it, but the worst part was the game had 10 mins left, I had nodes up the entire match.

[worthy charm]

ah damn

[austere grail]

Throughout the years up to 2022

No bro I just make forts now

[worthy charm]

Ben is to powerful

[austere grail]

I just run engineer and make forts that’s the only way to have fun for me anymore

[nova pivot]

Where smolesnks

[austere grail]

Since I’ve been playing since beta

[balmy hazel]

and the defenses aren't even good. They are very picky

[austere grail]

The only good defenses you can get are on like

[worthy charm]

We got smolensk at home son! Looks at Kursk

[austere grail]

Kursk fortress or even Purple Heart lane fortress

[nova pivot]

No, there is no urban layout with big buildings a d a River in kurks

[austere grail]

Are by far the best fort maps

[nova pivot]

You could have said Stalingrad

[austere grail]

He’ll not

Helllll no

That’s just cqb he’ll

I’m talking fortresses

[worthy charm]

Nah

I dont want to talk about maps I dont like

;}

[nova pivot]

Yah

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-sometimes-my-genius-almost-frightening-driving-car-ride-gif-16463163

[glossy echo]

Stalingrad is goated

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[nova pivot]

Fact

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[finite berry]

||Törken||

[nova pivot]

Uy

[finite berry]

:)

[worthy charm]

You naughty boi

[finite berry]

You haven't seen me naughty yet >:)

[nova pivot]

😏

I want to see you naughty

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-go-again-oh-gif-18357946

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/tonight-when-today-gif-21239998

[balmy hazel]

Maybe they're pushing content to drive sales, but at this rate the game is a dead end. The content feels rushed. The English guns are not balanced at all. Dont get me started on Africa.

[novel geyser]

Not had any issues with the brit guns tbh

They're some of my favourites

Only thing really is the smle and no4 should have a faster bolting but that goes for all bolt actions in this game really

[worthy charm]

the british rifles are the best ones

[novel geyser]

Fr

[worthy charm]

I dont know why but I really like the british iron sights

[novel geyser]

And the bren is crazy good if you can get behind the mag blocking vision a bit

[thin lotus]

the bren is easily one of the better MGs just given the fact that it doesn't shoot tracer rounds

no "shoot me" sign as a bipod

[worthy charm]

It doesnt?

lol I never saw that

[nova oracle]

Hi folks

[balmy hazel]

The recoil is not balanced. I have 1.2k hours I know how to shoot. The automatic guns need balancing. I cant stand how much vision the bren takes.

[novel geyser]

Probably because it was a crummy bar reskin in game pretty much lol
Until they finally made it a proper mg

[nova oracle]

There’s a guy in a server I’m in, who writes like war and peace about politics

[balmy hazel]

bar needs a bipod and so much more

[nova oracle]

A wall of thoughts it’s crazy

[nova oracle]

Most guns need a fire selector

The PPSH desperately

[thin lotus]

HLLs recoil is easy to control though?

[worthy charm]

As it would matter

[novel geyser]

Gun recoil does suck
too bland

[nova oracle]

Too inconsistent too

[novel geyser]

Fire select would be nice qol

[nova oracle]

Point blank, shotgun, guy with MP40 Shrugs

[thin lotus]

are we talking about the same game? It's especially easy and consistent

[novel geyser]

Gun are very consistent only ones I have issue with the recoil is the bar really

[covert elbow]

Africa is the most balanced faction wise what do you mean haha

[worthy charm]

Chat is cursed as always

[balmy hazel]

sooo bad, but even that is better than the British counterpart. I cant cuss here? this place is horrible that actually makes me even angrier.

[nova oracle]

So we have Chum, Kedo, Alu, Leeds the god of hell let loose and several others running around

I’m not the only troll under the bridge

This is rough

[covert elbow]

Okay kedo

[nova oracle]

SOMETHING, IN THE WAY

[thin lotus]

it is objectively very easy and consistent. Pull straight down. It's about as simple recoil management as you can get in an FPS

[novel geyser]

Can't be kedo he's speaking English to clearly

[balmy hazel]

strictly the british guns Im talking about

[nova oracle]

THERES SOMETHING IN THE WAY

[thin lotus]

it's literally the same system

[covert elbow]

He just bought a better translator

[nova pivot]

Where is the Smolensk info

[covert elbow]

You see cracks every now and then

[nova pivot]

Should I @ Ben?

[covert elbow]

@ all of T17

Be that guy

[nova pivot]

Ok

[worthy charm]

@nova pivot Get pinged

[novel geyser]

Ask Ben about the horses he promised

[worthy charm]

:}

[nova pivot]

@worthy charm

🥺

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-horse-you-have-alerted-the-horse-pretty-derby-uma-musume-gif-15063465391514740847

[nova pivot]

Ben is online

[balmy hazel]

No its not. The recoil is insanely worse.

[worthy charm]

Ben!!! Give me Death or give me the Dev Brief!!!

[novel geyser]

Don't believe that for a second the bren might have the lowest recoil in the game unless they changed it

[nova pivot]

Can't i give u a kiss ?

[nova pivot]

Bren is really good

Is a stg with a bipod but you can't see half of the screen

[novel geyser]

And with less recoil

[thin lotus]

Visually? The bren?
#hll-artwork message
@novel geyser

you sure?

[balmy hazel]

I cant lead any of my shots. the longest headshot I was able to hit in 1.5 hours was 23 meters, I should be able to clear close range with an automatic yet I can barely kill one person. This is not a skill issue, I am cracked.

[thin lotus]

the bren has this wonky bouncing visual to it, sure, but its actual climb in automatic fire is one of, if not the lowest

[balmy hazel]

last time I checked the bren was months ago

so It could have changed but the bren has always irritated me in every game

so im biased on that

[thin lotus]

that pic was from a year ago, i've barely played or tested anything since then. So if they changed something -which I doubt they did, maybe it's more accurate to what is visually seen on screen.

[nova oracle]

GVMERS “the rise and fall and rise of Hell let Loose”

Forget hell let loose, I’d trade hell let loose for republic commando II

“Delta squad form up”

https://tenor.com/view/republic-commando-gif-27711476

What is this man typing

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredible-hulk-abomination-yeah-yes-marvel-gif-25719438

Abomination what are you typing?

[balmy hazel]

I dont use the bren. The gun Im complaining about specifically is the English Thompson as the Allies faction. It should be virtually the same as the American Thompson yet it handles much differently. I cant clear anything with it unlike the American Thompson which I can use to hit 90+ meter headshots. With the English Thommy I'd be lucky to get 3 hit markers.

[nova oracle]

Oh right

Man really doesn’t like the bren gun

Neither do I really

Sounds good, complete whack

[thin lotus]

any differences in recoil from the tommy was probably the devs efforts in balancing that it has a bigger mag

[balmy hazel]

Well I'm here to say they went too far. I cant shoot people from 20 meters away, its too much.

[thin lotus]

at only 2 BTK, recoil shouldn't really be a factor at that range

[balmy hazel]

Maybe the clunky sight takes so much vision I cant lead anything

[thin lotus]

that's an issue with pretty much all of HLLs weaponry. TTK is way too low to where sustained automatic fire largely isn't necessary in pretty much any situation that doesn't involve the player panicking

[silk igloo]

bren is great. does everything you'd want

[balmy hazel]

Explain TTK and BTK

[thin lotus]

time to kill
bullets to kill

there's nuance between the two, but they affect eachother.

[balmy hazel]

the problem is I can barely hit 1 of every 10 shots at close range within 10-30 meters, outside of that it takes nearly 4 bullets to kill and its not balanced.

[trim grotto]

Hello, I just bought this game, but recently I started to read that it has a lot of crash problem, will it get fixerd soon tm?

[balmy hazel]

def wait for a fix to play, I'm sure they're working on a hotfix with all the complaining.

[harsh egret]

Never. It will be fixed never. Been an issue for years that just gets ignored unless it effects 90% of players or more daily.

[trim grotto]

ah so should I just maeka refund lmao?

[harsh egret]

Idk I hear it works a lot better on PC than consoles. I wouldn't in good faith recommend it anymore on consoles.

[trim grotto]

Im having on PC, on steam it was for sale.

[slate canopy]

I have had very little issues. It depends on the server sometimes.

[balmy hazel]

Its not worth it on console, aiming on controller is torturous

[slate canopy]

Pre-hotfix, I had 2 disconnects. Post, I have yet to have one.

[balmy hazel]

The last 3 games I've played have DC almost everyone in the server. on 3 different servers.

[trim grotto]

thats really concerning

[balmy hazel]

it almost always happens at the end or an hour into the match

all EXP lost

if you dont reconnect but even then, you lose progress and even the match

[worthy charm]

I dont think you know how the XP works

[balmy hazel]

its demoralizing

I understand it just fine

you dont finish the match you dont get xp

[worthy charm]

I really dont think so when you say you lose all the xp

[balmy hazel]

Thats how its been for years unless they changed it

[pine ember]

Didnt they say we will get news today?

[nova pivot]

Tell Ben to post the news

[nova pivot]

Yes

[worthy charm]

The neet thing is it isnt

[pine ember]

When will the news arrive?

[nova pivot]

I dk

I'm not a T17 employee

[worthy charm]

They literally didnt change the XP distribution for years

Though they increase the XP you get every two Updates

[cosmic pilot]

This is a myth

You only miss out on the end of round bonus.

[trim grotto]

so nonethe less as a fresh player i should wait for news cause rn its rng to play?

[novel geyser]

Wdym rng to play

[trim grotto]

I mean i wouldnt want to disconnect 3 times a day from a game ngl

[nova pivot]

@fluid pawn when news

[past vortex]

thats what i think too

[glossy echo]

Tell me when news

[cosmic pilot]

Sparrow is too British

[balmy hazel]

I apologize you're right. Im just irritated with the thommy mostly. I had a bad time with it. also the crashes happened over 3 nights dudu, its still safe to play, just annoying when it happens.

[cosmic pilot]

Which proves he's not kedos alt

[nova oracle]

Finally

In TPL they were all like “he’s ALU!” Admins had me positing my Xbox account, other socials, joke

[cosmic pilot]

Kedo also would not nitro boost the server

[nova oracle]

i like this game and pretty sure they shout you out on stream when you boost the server

I had 3, free boosts, this server, Alpines and I forgot what third server I boosted

[glossy echo]

Any news about Smolensk?

[worthy charm]

very

[nova pivot]

I don't believe you

[worthy charm]

I mean what should I do?

Ben!!! These people are mean

[glossy echo]

Praying for news

[fluid pawn]

Surpprised you asked ngl

[fluid pawn]

Horses are not coming I'm afriad. They've been let out into the fields to become wild horses

[cosmic pilot]

We've ben waiting for you

[fluid pawn]

I know you have

[analog apex]

just crashed while exiting the game... before I even got the context option for yes/no. Having the fatal errors I got and disconnects today in numbers as well, I rly see no difference when comparing what we have now and what we had before the hotfixes...

[fluid pawn]

I however have been in some rather large meetings, exactly about this

[cosmic pilot]

Who said you could @ me pleb

[fluid pawn]

I'm just getting comms drawn up around them

[worthy charm]

@cosmic pilot

[fluid pawn]

@NothingToNext🦀

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-lord-of-the-rings-theoden-king-of-rohan-you-have-no-power-here-gif-4952489

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-too-bad-sephiroth-final-fantasy7advent-children-how-sad-how-unfortunate-gif-21553494

[nova pivot]

So

News or no news?

[worthy charm]

News of news

[analog apex]

news are that there won't be news 😄

[nova pivot]

At least there is some kind of communication on that

[worthy charm]

I mean we are still missing 3 (2) out of 4 SPAs

[tropic bison]

Were do I find "Mod Mail"

Looking to get console war arranger role back so I can post up 7 Cav events

[nova pivot]

Wdm

[worthy charm]

#modmail-request

[nova pivot]

2?

What have you seen?

[tropic bison]

https://tenor.com/view/doolwind-the-office-jet-attack-move-attack-move-jet-attack-gif-8593685078102904069

[worthy charm]

Epic Sparta doesnt saw the leaks mmoment

BTW my keyboard is broken...

[glossy echo]

Ben will we even get news

[worthy charm]

it keeps writing double when I press once

[glossy echo]

I really like how Smolensk looks

[nova pivot]

What leak?

Like water dripping trough the roof?

[tropic bison]

Thanks for sending me the mod mail channel.

When I click the emoji it doesn't open anything, just asks me to favorite the emoji itself.

[glossy echo]

What does modmail do

[novel geyser]

Nuh uh

Horses ARE coming to hll

[worthy charm]

uhm

[nova pivot]

Uhm can we get the news please

[worthy charm]

Then just DM me the request, I will handle the rest

[nova pivot]

Ben work schedule ended 47 minutes ago

Bro is being exploited at work

[worthy charm]

Ben B = Ben, Back to work!!!

[nova pivot]

Bro is never out of work

[glossy echo]

News?

Why is no one writing after I talk?

[nova pivot]

No news

The ai (Ben) crashed

We will get a hotfix 0.1 for Ben in 2 weeks

But they will post some random and useles pictures in Instagram during that weeks😀

[fluid pawn]

You will yes, just signing off on it now, and getting it uploaded on the different websites (our website, steam, and reddit)

[fluid pawn]

hey, my pictures on insta are great ahah

[fluid pawn]

These last couple of weeks have been rough for all of us can't lie

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/if-you-say-so-pam-sistas-whatever-you-say-s8e2-gif-17073073027611612404

[nova pivot]

🫂

It's okay Ben, come here big boy

[nova oracle]

Everyone agrees the German drip during the war was amazing

[nova pivot]

Yes

Hugo boss did a good work

[nova oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/gael-skander-dinostan-bulgarian-hellboy-gif-20100068

We need a full on stasi uniform

Snazzy

“It was said the blood dried up in his bones long ago”

“Karl Rupert Kroenen”

[nova oracle]

Immaculate drip we need more in hell let loose

T17, you fellas wanna include all sides of the war on the Podcast, get a German on talking about his grandfathers drip

I wanna see full-on Stasi, please just no polka dot

I’ve of joined the Germans just for their motorbikes and uniforms

I’d just drive around the French countryside looking good, put up an umbrella so the allied planes can’t see

All I’d get at the Nuremberg trial is parking tickets

[past vortex]

shut up kedo

[sturdy quarry]

explain to ya management they can save paying yall overtime if they allowed ya to delay the updates...

[past vortex]

so you are saying that first we didnt get pacific and now we also wont get horses

[nova oracle]

You know what your problem is?

You drank Yorkshire gold over red

Never drink gold

[worthy charm]

Please tone it down a notch

[worthy charm]

Lets not get rude

[past vortex]

cmon, jusdt dont let him post that stuff

[nova oracle]

I’m sorry

What the Hugo Boss uniforms?

[pine ember]

Hugo Boss is good quality

[nova oracle]

I like the officer uniforms

Though the tankers were perfect

[finite berry]

I'm agreeing with you again, what is this witchcraft

[nova oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-sparrow-smiles-johnny-depp-gif-8636695646898013204

[glossy echo]

Ive been waiting for news

[nova oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-news-gif-12979290

“BREAKING NEWS”

[past vortex]

i think they should delay the new map

[nova oracle]

Delay the 88MM FLAK? never

I want my cannons

I’ll take 4 88MM FLAKs Ben, and another 4 on the house

[past vortex]

#cancelsmolensk

[worthy charm]

You should have said that 2 weeks ago

that would have been funny to watch

but now...

[glossy echo]

When smolensk

[blissful dove]

when notcrash

[nova pivot]

News? No news?

[knotty pollen]

@timid roost hi

[cedar ore]

wait so the SPAs will be in this test build?

[quiet grail]

@fluid pawn hey Ben did you ask about the bipods for me

[potent burrow]

So we still dont know what type of SPA they chose to add

[slate canopy]

#telegrams message

[fluid pawn]

They will yes

[nova pivot]

i saw it

[bold berry]

Cannot lie this game fell off, yall tryna do bare minimum and save features for Vietnam sucks

[inland elk]

WHEN GDANSK

[nova pivot]

thanks for the news, im satisfied

[celest nymph]

Okay, serious question T17 (Ben).

Will the new Self-Propelled Artillery (SPAs) be a replacement to the artillery guns, or is it in addition to the artillery guns (also check your DMs)

[nova pivot]

cant wait to see the spgs

[cedar ore]

hell yeah

[celest nymph]

Because I cannot, for the life of me, think of a scenario where players of this game are asking for MORE things that go explode-y and kill them. There is already a horrible over-prevelance of this (the new commander-based artillery ability is a terrible addition to the game). Adding YET ANOTHER form of artillery is legit trolling at this point.

[fluid pawn]

I'll get clarification on this in the morning. My fiancé is about to get home from work after working a late shift and I haven't made dinner 🫠 Don't wait to get in trouble ahah

What i know is that teh SPAs are part of the arti rework

[nova pivot]

what are you going to cook?

[fluid pawn]

That started in U18 with the commander ability

[potent burrow]

I hope they try to keep things balanced

(Dont force the germans to have a Brummbär when the US will have m7s and soviet su76)

[fluid pawn]

Going to do some ramen (i make some mean noodles)

[lethal matrix]

Ben, we cant be serious adding the mobile artillery on top of 2 other artillery abilities. Your literally going to make players not want to play again because anytime they spawn 3 forms of artillery will just strike them down. What kind of gameplay does that promote?

[analog apex]

Smolensk is one of our most ambitious maps yet. With a focus on urban, multi-story combat, this
huh? what story? 😏

[fluid pawn]

that's what the aim of this PTE is about. your feedback is essential

[cedar ore]

lmao

[fluid pawn]

(one of our big learnings from U18)

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/paola-gif-25711842

[worthy charm]

The story of the lost garrision

[fluid pawn]

Alright, it's ramen time

[potent burrow]

Glad to hear

[nova pivot]

somthing about taking a german op

[cyan saddle]

sameeeee

instant ramen my beloved

[errant moss]

It's like when your boss at work asks for input under the guise of caring just to do what they already plan to anyway

[potent burrow]

There are many many many options for SPA and atry based vehicles for ww2, my recommendation would be to make them as even in terms of range, vehicle type, and capability

IE: priest m7 and Hummel being vaguely similar and both lacking turrets

[potent burrow]

Didnt they say they will be doing this alongside an arty rework

I doubt they'd just slam it all together and call it a day

"Next up, we’re introducing Self-Propelled Artillery (SPAs), the newest addition to the battlefield.

These vehicles are part of our ongoing artillery rework and are expected to bring major gameplay changes"

[worthy charm]

I really do hope they take out HQ arty.

Otherwise whats the point of the rework to begin with?

[covert elbow]

Okay so like, once again. That tank in the dev brief isn’t an SPA

I’m so confused haha

[potent burrow]

Trying to build hype ig

[lethal matrix]

After the U18 release I can't expect anything better and logical tbh

[worthy charm]

I mean... its gonna work like one aynway

[oak current]

probably some SPA/SPG mix

"vehicle that goes around and flompfs stuff"

[sweet fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/war-gif-13170560

me and the boys on the way to the new objective in HLL Vietnam

[potent burrow]

Doesn't they should have just made it so theres the 3 arty at the back of each side but they can be towed by new appropriate vehicles like the Sd.Kfz. 11, but decrease their range so they must be moved to keep up with the battlefield/not be hunted by enemies

And instead of SPA they added SPG like the stuH for close infantry support

[covert elbow]

But how??? It’s literally a forward facing tank. Theres no way for it to fire like an artillery gun

[worthy charm]

Not a fan... Mortars would have been the easier fix

[worthy charm]

Probably not, but realism never was a thing in this game anyway

[covert elbow]

Like it’s so confusing what they mean by SPG’s when the tank shown (and assumedly being added) cannot physically work as told

[potent burrow]

That would work as well but depending on the size would still require a new vehicle to move them

[hoary cobalt]

if fortunate son isnt the american winning song in vietnam I am NOT buying

[potent burrow]

But mortars might be more annoying than current arty due to their relative small size

[oak current]

Towing System (for arty) would have also opened up the movement of other gun-units later, like moving AT-Guns or Flaks one day

or my fat ass, when I cant be bothered to move

[potent burrow]

Movement for at guns would be amazing

Or even repair stations

[oak current]

heck, I'd even take a little ammo-cart you can pull with your truck

[worthy charm]

None, they would just have a very limited range (200m +/- 100) and then engeneer builds them, with a teamlimit of 3.
They logicly should have a higher rate of fighter but far less AoE than current arty.

[sturdy quarry]

imagine the bugs with hooking up the gun to the truck and it backflips

[oak current]

imagine any feature thats not currently in the game

[worthy charm]

Exactlyy why towing probably didnt make the cut

ANYWAY not like it matters.

[potent burrow]

Idk i feel like trying to find a small mort on hill 400 or remagen would be annoying

[worthy charm]

We are getting SPAs, at least they take community feedback for nerfs/buffs before just releasing it.

[potent burrow]

Yes

I pray they polish them well

[covert elbow]

They won’t

They’ve done this song and dance to many times

This dev team is just sad

[potent burrow]

Then dont play

[covert elbow]

I don’t

[potent burrow]

Ok? Good

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-love-poland-gif-10918710646251769391

[potent burrow]

Its like tf2, I love the game but its not loved rn

So im not playing

[obtuse dragon]

Ricochet's rotten corpse:

[potent burrow]

If you dont enjoy what the devs are doing, write to them and stop playing

This is all the more important with small games

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/nermal-garfield-death-gif-3028471091899365042

[potent burrow]

Ricochet?

[obtuse dragon]

You don't know Ricochet?

That shows how dead that game is 😭

[covert elbow]

That’s exactly what I’ve been doing

[potent burrow]

Good

[covert elbow]

Doesn’t mean I can’t say my thoughts

[potent burrow]

Never said that but not having any faith is just idiotic

[covert elbow]

You obviously haven’t been here long or haven’t paid much attention

[potent burrow]

Especially when we know nothing yet

[covert elbow]

My trust has been beaten and broken so many times it’s just expected at this point

[potent burrow]

You act like this game is your first wife, It simply has gone though a rough patch like most games recently

Helldivers, cs2, tf2, wolfpack, warthunder, and so on are all suffering... the industry as a whole is making dreadful moves

Doesnt mean you cant hope for the best

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/zdf-heuteshow-heute-show-host-oli-welke-gif-17048170709009503657

[azure ether]

Horse

[covert elbow]

Dude I’m on my way 4th wife with this game lmao

[potent burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/dean-martin-drunk-drink-chug-gif-15130720

[sturdy quarry]

HLLs first wife was inexperienced but well intentioned, still lead to divorce

HLLs 2nd wife bought a load of new clothes whilst stripping out the copper pipes and wiring from the house to spend on crack

[covert elbow]

This game has had problems for years and they haven’t been resolved. We keep getting broken and unfinished content. The new content is usually mediocre and not well done. Communication is nill.

[zealous linden]

So why are u still here complaining lol

[potent burrow]

Man if you think this is bad dont play a valve game

[zealous linden]

Get a hold of urself buddy

[analog apex]

because HLL devs are so damn lucky they have so forgiving (and/or stupid? 😄 ) playerbase

[covert elbow]

I hoped for years that this game could be awesome. But it’s consistently shown that it’s forever stuck in its own loop of alright

It’s just how it is

[potent burrow]

I dont think we are forgiving just small

[covert elbow]

Cause still want the game to be good and love it deep down

It’s an abusive relationship

[potent burrow]

There was an uproar with the recent update, even i made a stink about the luchs

[worthy charm]

Thats a bit hard.

Half the community has grown bitter over the years

[potent burrow]

I do think that the community can be a bit lax sometimes due to this really being the only game in town when it comes to ww2 and vaguely easy to access

[zealous linden]

I feel you but complaining and being negative on discord probably won’t help the game lol and won’t help you

[potent burrow]

(Which is also a concern for hll Vietnam)

[nova oracle]

Wait till you get precision striked in HQ in a “respected” clans server and when you call them out and post clips, you’re wrong for doing so.

Peak abuser behaviour, and you’re wrong for sticking up for yourself

[potent burrow]

20th PZG server moment

[nova oracle]

6 weeks held in TRIAL phase yet another guy who joined 2 weeks earlier makes tanking

[nova oracle]

SAS, though close enough

[potent burrow]

Lol theres a group called the SAS

Thats crazy

[covert elbow]

Okay buddy

[nova oracle]

There’s 3 LOL

There’s some good people in SAS don’t get me wrong, you have some really rotten apples

[potent burrow]

God its just like reenactors who want to be movie stars, the 101st reenactors and FJ guys are always the worst and most cringe people

Calling yourself the SAS is just yikes

Be more original

[errant moss]

You'd think they would look at the player count and think
Maybe these horrible updates are the problem
Nah can't be just wait til we drop a mobile artillery

https://tenor.com/view/skinner-skinnerkids-kids-gif-23476710

[covert elbow]

101st 506th? Pretty cringe

Any other regiment or part of the division? Awesome

[gentle lintel]

based

[dull quail]

so what will the spa's be and why not spg's

[potent burrow]

Yeah its highly dependent

Also 82nd guys throw them in there too

[worthy charm]

Mobile arty

[potent burrow]

Again zero reflection on the actual 101st or 82nd, just reenactors who " portray " them

[worthy charm]

I dont think there is much more to say there...

[dull quail]

Yeah but which specific vehicles like the hummel and priest

[worthy charm]

None of those

after what they showed and didnt show probably only closed tanks

Something thats more like a TD but with a bigger cannon

[potent burrow]

I cant think of any closed top US SPA made in significant numbers

Hell I think the Brummbär only had 100 made

Soviets could have isu152 or 22

[worthy charm]

350

[potent burrow]

Still low numbers

So is the luchs but

[worthy charm]

and the we know its gonna be a Sherman 105mm

[potent burrow]

Either way those arent really true SPA then

[worthy charm]

Thats the point Ninja had ealier

[analog apex]

Where is the Priest, where is the Hummel...

[worthy charm]

They arent SPAs they are SPGs but we are gonna use them like SPAs regardless

[potent burrow]

Ah my mistake on the image it is a 105 sherman

Well looks like thats going to be really overpowered for the US then

Unless they make the Brummbär / StuH turn rates insane

[worthy charm]

They will most likely be all the same stat wise

[potent burrow]

They cant, they all wont have turrets

[pine ember]

Will the Brummbär be the German "SPA"?

[worthy charm]

maybe slight diffrences in speed and mobility but the rest...

[worthy charm]

I mean

[potent burrow]

I thought thats what leaked a while back

[pine ember]

Hmmm

[worthy charm]

Probably

[pine ember]

Wonder what it will be for the Soviets and Bri ish

[worthy charm]

SU 76 I would say

for the brits no clue

[pine ember]

Hopefully SU122

[potent burrow]

76 is probably the only option

I think they made closed topped versions

[bold gale]

Archer

[worthy charm]

Thats a TD

A very obvious one

[pine ember]

SU122 would also be suited, maybe even better than the SU76

[bold gale]

I don't know anything that reminds assault guns for Brits...

[potent burrow]

Well im thinking in terms of balance

Adding something like a 122 thats huge will be hard to balance compared to a Sherman with a turret that can turn

[bold gale]

Except AVRE Churchill, but he's too strange

[potent burrow]

Also shells should be similar in size or explosion effect in game

The easy solution here would have just to have the m7, the hummel, and the 76

Then just make it so you cant shoot though the canvas cover they could put over the top of the tank

Its not like this game aims for realism

If so then tank sights would be functional, 30-06 would always be a one shot past 230 meters, and god knows how many other small details with the armor system killing or not killing things

[bold gale]

We need possibility to shoot them from top, that's pretty fair pay for their extremely firepower

[potent burrow]

I dont think so, they will already be the most oblivious and easy to kill things in the game

Remember they dont have turrets

And I think with the way hll works when it comes to pintle mounted guns, it means the m7 has zero machine guns

Actually I dont think any of the ones I mentioned would have had the ability to use mgs

[nova pivot]

Yes please , big boom tea bringer

[nova pivot]

They will just fix the turret position to the front

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

The British one is likely going to be the archer

And they'll probably do it wrong and let you drive it with the cannon pointing forward.

[bold gale]

First of all we need more maps for them