mess-hall

[nova pivot]

Why add the commander arty while still having the hq arty?

[nova oracle]

The infantry who helped the tanks

They looked so good

[nova pivot]

Austrohungarian early WW1

[worthy charm]

Im gonna say what the greatest german youtuber, the one, the only, the GOAT said: "Never consume the drugs you sell yourself"

-# Its from Held der Steine

[nova pivot]

No idea

[nova pivot]

But it is good advice

[worthy charm]

Its a guy that sells Klemmbausteine

:}

[nova pivot]

It sounds like something you put up your a55.

[meager timber]

guys we need bhopping in hll

[nova pivot]

Why is that word banned?

Is like banning finger

[nova oracle]

The WWI Germans looked amazing

I love the early Wehrmacht uniforms

Before they did all the national socialist dribble

The tankers looked good though, maybe too good, a lot of German tankers were unfortunately mistaken for SS officers and shot on the spot

[meager timber]

scratching the goth itch

[nova oracle]

I need to find these Bundeswher women

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-gif-4115569673926897153

[nova oracle]

In other words German women

I don’t like the SS stuff

The polka dot is just inexcusable

The Americans were kinda cool, I like how the assault uniform is brown pants 😂😂

[meager timber]

erbsenmuster is peak neo folk aesthetic

[nova oracle]

Brown pants and boots

I don’t like the goldie locks American leg things though

The saving private Ryan thing

Makes the ankles and feet look weird

I get that they wanted to keep mud out of the soldiers boots and water

The soviet uniforms were the fast food uniforms, easily made and shipped out

Good all around

The Ushanka is as iconic as the Stahlhelm let’s be honest

[silk current]

I just started playing commander and idk what ppl mean when they say its hard.

Like is really that hard to drop (sometimes drive) supply on the map, coordinate squads, and sometimes bomb the map when you are confident about hitting something? I know there's more to it but how exactly are people overwhelmed by this role? I assumed many people who play this game also played hoi4

[empty steppe]

I’m seeing lots of review bombs already lol

https://tenor.com/w3Oc.gif

[frail heart]

Its because they gotta use a mic and the player base that's left since the veterans dont play no more. 95% people dont use mics

[silk current]

So im assuming I started liking this game when it was falling off then. I started playing a week ago

[empty steppe]

Tried one game yesterday and it felt like nothing is coordinated anymore, makes me feel bad for command haha

Or they are just noobs too 😔

[silk current]

Tbf half the time its the blue berries not listening to their officer and just going on attack, you kinda have to manipulate spawns so you can manipulate them into spawning for defense or offense

Which is why airhead is a blessing

[empty steppe]

But if nobody is there to coordinate them properly anymore

[silk current]

Huh?

Wdym?

[frail heart]

Reason I stopped playing Public only play clan matches now due to communication and teamwork in pubs are shockingly bad these days.

First 3-4years of the game were the glory days. Don't get me wrong still had a few no mics and people just playing cod but not as bad as these days.

[empty steppe]

Most of the veteran and experienced player base is dipping

[silk current]

Why?

[empty steppe]

Game breaking updates, long term lack of proper dev support and competence… etc

[worthy charm]

Also its a 7 years old game

[frail heart]

You nailed that one 👀💪

[empty steppe]

That’s a big one too lol

[frail heart]

True

[worthy charm]

Thats about as old as a shooter gets.

[empty steppe]

Had its run I’ll tell you… or more walk…

[silk current]

So should I still be looking forward to vietnam then?

[frail heart]

If you think about it even most CODs only have an active player base for a year then new one comes out anyway so HLL has not done too bad in grand scheme of things

[empty steppe]

It’s a big risk, it will either be a absolute mess or huge success

Hopefully the lack of development for Hll was spent on correcting and learning from everything for the next game 😂

[silk current]

Can you elaborate a bit on what you mean lack of development for hll?

Like little updates?

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-infinity-war-show-me-marvel-gif-716847468789207250

[empty steppe]

Map, map, map, map, map… etc

[silk current]

Just bad updates?

[worthy charm]

Some

[empty steppe]

Paid skins!!!

[silk current]

Bad maps?

[empty steppe]

No okay maps, but a game cannot survive off just maps lol

[worthy charm]

I wouldnt say thats why we have less players

The things even with more maps, its still the same every time.

[silk current]

Wait, why's that bad exactly?

[worthy charm]

Hot take but the objetive gamemode should habe come out 2 years ago.

[empty steppe]

We have no new base game content to continue people’s interest and development

[finite berry]

@pine ember I summon you

[empty steppe]

Guns don’t get fixed, new things aren’t added, and you get tired of it

compare that to a game like helldivers, where you have progression new exciting content, and a reason for people to stay and grind for things that they want

Historically accurate progression could have definitely been made

[frail heart]

If you wsnt to get into HLL these days my recommendation is joining a clan/community that have there own server

[worthy charm]

To be fair even if the devs add new things people are like "No one asked for this" or "Why change something that works"?

[silk current]

Especially if its just the same 2 factions half the time fighting. I mean, USA vs Germany is balanced but with all the time they apparently spend making maps that half the time arent played there could be new factions or other things to change gameplay. Again, why is Germany the only playable axis faction for 7 years straight

[empty steppe]

Yep

[analog apex]

😮 Cheesecake is back

[empty steppe]

I been back baby

[analog apex]

Hi man 🙂

[empty steppe]

😘

[empty steppe]

And even if it’s the same two factions, we need new stuff for those factions to keep the flow of content moving

It’s common sense, which is not used 🤣

[analog apex]

Mortars, TDs, SPGs, heavy MG emplacements, Panzerfausts...

[empty steppe]

Literally anything

Stick with the old tank physics and put your time into adding more vehicles or smth

[silk current]

Ehh, im a helldivers player, and the trade off for that was a load of bugs and glitches that damage the player opinion on the game just as much as a lack of content updates

[pearl ledge]

sometimes drive? your entire game as commander should be nothing but driving a dropping supplies. Use abilities as you drive
If you aren't driving amd building garries for the entirety of the game your doing commander wrong

[worthy charm]

ÄHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH the plural of Panzerfaust is Panzerfäuste!!! 🤓

xD

[finite berry]

But more vehicle variety would've been pointless with the old armour system

[empty steppe]

They definitely overdue it sometimes, but it’s still extremely popular because of that

[analog apex]

yes... if we were Germans 🙂

[shy relic]

Wow there is Alot of negative reviews on steam hell let loose right now

Almost all of them are negative

[frail heart]

Too right

[finite berry]

Just checked, is it that bad, tho?

[shy relic]

With most players having like 2000+ hours

[shy relic]

It’s sad man

[empty steppe]

And at least they communicate and want to fix those issues with a proper solution

[silk current]

Its popular but now it has a mixed review on steam and alot of the player base seems to be leaving

[frail heart]

Because we have now lost a game that we all truly once enjoyed. Now the devs do everything they can to break it

[empty steppe]

It’ll do it’s cycle again, that games got plenty of life in it, just need another big event

best dev team in the industry at this point

[frail heart]

Just needs another free release maybe GOG this time 🤣🤣🤣

[empty steppe]

I want a aliens collab 😂😂

[shy relic]

You think these bad reviews will maybe make team17 think before they put out another broken updated

[empty steppe]

That would be hype

[frail heart]

Probably not

[shy relic]

Like there’s a 90 percent chance the next hotfix is gonna break at least one more thing

[frail heart]

They dont listen to Veteran/Comp players

Ever

[frail heart]

Id say 110%

[silk current]

More like they just communicate and say they will fix issues then leave 30 repeatedly reported bugs in for months and do nothing about it

[worthy charm]

The only things that is harder than satisfying this community is working with this code

[shy relic]

Man ppl keep saying that this community is so picky but I just want them to leave the game like it was preu18

Yeah it wasn’t perfect but man it was playable

[steep gorge]

I’ll be curious to see what the excuse will be with Vietnam that they can’t blame the code anymore.

[finite berry]

UE5 :)

[empty steppe]

Helldivers? Man I’d give them a break on that, ofc there’s big bugs, but they have been cranking out so much stuff, they are gonna get it ironed out

[analog apex]

"Mixed" 😮
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/625321517487489034/1429467660722372628/HLL_reviews_rating_mid_odcober.png?ex=68f63f00&is=68f4ed80&hm=6224d570ec566a1f3823f3b2b9eeababf3d7f4c4957a7f142e068ccf29ddde3e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[silk current]

How is that a excuse when they literally been prioritizing content updates for months over bug fixes which was something the community has demanded.more of as of late

[worthy charm]

It gone from 70% to 67%

Thats not that much

[analog apex]

all reviews are 84% though

[silk current]

Like, its literally their fault that they'd be in a situation like this, they ignored the fandom and did their own thing

[shy relic]

A lot of good players left cause they either have to deal with brain dead teammates with no mics or fight the bugs and glitches instead of just playing the dam game

[worthy charm]

I mean it wasnt great before U18 either

This update is just the cherry on the cake

I dont like cherrys

[analog apex]

The longer the situation lasts, the worse it will get for "All reviews" too, inevitably.

[shy relic]

Not at all it looked worse cause all the recent ones are bad

[finite berry]

Still enough for "Very Positive".

[analog apex]

right 😄

[worthy charm]

All the recent ones? What was bad about U15 - U17?

[shy relic]

They break at least one thing every update

[worthy charm]

Didnt had any Issues and the only new things are the DCs

[shy relic]

I honestly miss the level 1 glitch that was better then crashing every game

[worthy charm]

People had problems with crashes before this update as well

[analog apex]

and tank driving/stucking

and Pavlov's house breaking

and more

[shy relic]

I rarely crashed before if I did it would be on like a specific map like Stalingrad or Tobruk

[silk current]

Its hard to please the community? How?

• fix the bugs
• add a new axis faction
• add more content for current factions

Whats so hard about that if they can spend months developing a map XD

[worthy charm]

I mean... bugs with a update.. Oh no?

[analog apex]

so you mean tank driving is bugless? If the DCs were the only new thing according to you...

[worthy charm]

All games have that, only problem here is communication and the "hotfix" taking 2 weeks

[shy relic]

Communication is the biggest issue

It took ages for them to even tell us about the hotfix

[worthy charm]

Its was unlucky with Ben vacation.

[analog apex]

no mater how you call it, tank driving was better pre-U18

now it's buggy

[shy relic]

They are posting on Twitter every day” what’s your favourite thing about u18”

While we can’t even play the game

[worthy charm]

For heavys 100%, for the others I completly disagree

[silk current]

Idk why ppl are complaining about no micers as if its the devs fault that people are stupid enough to not use mics in leadership roles

[worthy charm]

Mediums and lights are so much better now

[analog apex]

new terrain-dependant driving features are worthless if the driving itself is broken

[analog apex]

so you didn't see those Pz.IVs flipped upside down? 😏

[shy relic]

Unlucky or did they rush the update out

[worthy charm]

Bugs gonna be bugs

Again main problem is the hotfix taking this long

That there are issues is to be expected.

[analog apex]

exactly, they were not there before U18, now they are so your thesis about DCs as the only new problematic thing is faulty

[analog apex]

that too yep

[analog apex]

shouldn't be if they were testing the stuff prior releasing

at least half of it would/should have been caught

[worthy charm]

Unlucky for the communication, look at how U17 was done and compare to U18.

It shows he wasnt in the house...

Regardless of U18 the comms have improved overall in comparision to 2023 (after wombat) and 2024

[frail heart]

I think U14 was the last good patch for the game. It came with bugs but the game was so much fun back then

[worthy charm]

Horrible take ngl

[analog apex]

maybe, but 14.3 patch brought the micro stutters for the 1st time

[worthy charm]

U14 was so much worse performance wise than this.

Imagine performance tanking (lol you get it?) with higher tank speeds and then you do the same to inf.

[silk current]

Is it common to get kicked from a game as commander even when you were playing decently?

[worthy charm]

Whats worse 6 tanks being faster or 80 inf. players running as fast as the "old" tanks

[frail heart]

Ah wait, I think I've put the wrong update it. Yeah I agree that was a sht show with the running speed

[wind shore]

How can you have performance on u18 when players are consistently crashing

[frail heart]

I was thinking of the Soviat update, Stalinlag

[worthy charm]

I mean I have had no crashes....

[worthy charm]

That should have been U10

I think

[analog apex]

Stalignrad update... July 27, 2021 - 1st standalone stuttering map, while other maps were fine yet

[frail heart]

I just remember the hype back then tho even with the bugs people were still genuinely happy to play and have fun.

Loading up thr game these days feels like a chore

[worthy charm]

This old U10 roadmap is the biggest bait

[analog apex]

campaign mode 😄

[frail heart]

I mean we got flares?🤣

[analog apex]

Flakpanzer 😄

[frail heart]

Pacific?

[analog apex]

Deployable mortares 😄

[worthy charm]

What was smart material about again?

[frail heart]

We finally got the new commander ability in U18

[worthy charm]

I cant even remember

[analog apex]

so the devs could easily swap textures on the tanks or something

[analog apex]

where do you see one on that roadmap? ...

[frail heart]

We shall never see it 👀

[analog apex]

fortunately (imo)

[past vortex]

im sure we get horses first, then pacific

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[finite berry]

Lmao campaign mode

[past vortex]

does s44 have horses?

[worthy charm]

Thats not a story mode btw

Its more like BF1 operations

I think

[frail heart]

More like rising storm style

[finite berry]

Nope

[past vortex]

aaaw

[finite berry]

Based idea tho

[worthy charm]

Like half of the normandie maps are besides each other irl so it makes sense...

[finite berry]

But I think there's a mod for bicycles lol

[past vortex]

5x1.5h

[frail heart]

I wonder if we would ever get mod support for this game like ever even after nam releases

[worthy charm]

Better do it with offensive. 5x2,5

[finite berry]

Doubt

[worthy charm]

10h of straight HLL gameplay

[frail heart]

That would be my idea or Hell

[worthy charm]

wait

Im bad at math

[meager timber]

atleast unlock console for tinkering with the game

[past vortex]

:D

[frail heart]

Even BF6 gave us SDK

[shy relic]

Yes you get kicked extra fast when you are doing your job correctly

[empty steppe]

Gonna be honest, the community was definitely pushing them for content, especially with the odst stuff

It took everyone a minute to realize on both sides that there needs to be a proper balance between fixes and content

[nova oracle]

Team-17 doesn’t silence people who criticise their game

Arrowhead does

[obtuse dragon]

Ngl i think campaign mode would be impossible

Other games like this one tried and almost all of them failed

[wind shore]

they just ignore them

[nova oracle]

Team-17 doesn’t remove partners / content creators unexpectedly

Arrowhead does

[cosmic pilot]

the only way to do it is make the campaign map and the tactical map the same thing

[nova oracle]

Didn’t they use AI on helldivers 2?

[obtuse dragon]

Like red orchestra, that had an AI so bad that they deleted the campaign

Or arma 3, with the bots being able to shoot you down easily thanks to the trees (they can see through the folliage)

i'm pretty sure that the only one that doesn't fail THAT MUCH was Easy Red 2, but that game was designed to have bots playing

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/bTuRC.gif

[nova oracle]

There’s some botty hell let loose players

[obtuse dragon]

HLL COULD get a campaign mode, but it would take a ton of time to make the bots and adapt them to the big maps

and it would be hard asf, because they would have to make them dumb so they don't instakill you at 200 m with an insane accuracy, but you can't make them THAT dumb or else the player will have a hard time with the friendly AI and they could start bumping into sht if they don't have a preset path

[worthy charm]

Yikes

Dont want to be a mod over there rn

[obtuse dragon]

unless they add a multiplayer campaign mode like the one on rising storm 2 vietnam

that would lowkey be insanely peak

[steep gorge]

This game dont need any campaign mode idk how we get there lol.

[obtuse dragon]

tbh right now is the least of the problems not having a campaign gamemode

i was just saying that the game COULD add one since it was on a really old roadmap, but it would be insanely hard or they would have to add one like the one on red orchestra/rising storm 2

[nova oracle]

So what you’re saying is? They should silence people with criticism?

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-number-dog-phone-call-funny-animals-gif-8488702

[nova oracle]

Tagged the wrong dude

[nova oracle]

So what you’re saying is? They should silence people with criticism?

[obtuse dragon]

wrongnumber

[worthy charm]

No?

I mean this server is already on fire and I couldnt handel more

Obviously smiting people with critisism is bad.

[nova oracle]

This server is the result of pouring petrol onto fire to put it out

[finite berry]

I think the mods are actually part of the problem there

[obtuse dragon]

Nah, it's more the result of adding a droplet of water to the fire

[empty steppe]

That server is a mess rn…

I will say I’ve lost a tad bit hope for arrowhead but they still got my approval for now

[burnt lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/dap-dap-up-bully-maguire-spiderman-homem-aranha-gif-2038310814613101264

[worthy charm]

Is that harry potter?

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-23deers-schwarzenegger-sonofabitch-gif-18064779

[burnt lantern]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/878026360759677032/1138296970511917076/voicemessage.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1357067799125819403/1358965889092817107/attachment.gif

[worthy charm]

Thats mine now

[burnt lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802259392560234556/1272332008520945667/togif.gif

[burnt lantern]

My dog, not yours!!

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stairs-fall-down-stairs-explosion-explode-gif-16415651593764552095

[nova oracle]

Yes let’s silence everyone who has a shred of disagreement

Cause that always works out so well….

[finite berry]

It's funny how these people have no idea how the Streisand effect works 🙃

[worthy charm]

Thats a nice house isnt it?

[finite berry]

A really nice house, yes

[azure heath]

why you doxxing me?

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/isqBtNSrDV7.gif

[azure ether]

When do we get horse?

[nova pivot]

Ye

[past vortex]

https://i.redd.it/wk4akd6ds7901.jpg

[nova pivot]

Define aura:

[past vortex]

https://ww2memories.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/horses_2.jpg

[echo karma]

Wild horses

[frail heart]

Review bombing run taking place in the HLL store page

[echo karma]

Nobody cares lol

Just don't buy hllv

[frail heart]

Wasnt planning on, We got folk already implimenting HLL modes into BF6

As they gave us the SDK legends! EA doing one thing right this year

[echo karma]

Have already seen file injections via m comms

[nova oracle]

It is rather hilarious

Hell even Hitler didn’t fall into the trap of silencing his opposition until after he came into power

[azure heath]

if war of rights can’t do it don’t expect it here

[nova oracle]

Even then he was an elected official and legally speaking didn’t break any laws

[empty steppe]

That game is peak cinema

And racism

[calm copper]

Fatal Error Fatal Error Fatal Error.

Call this an update? Joke.

T17 should be embarrassed

[slate canopy]

It may be the server did not update to the current version. Some are still on old version.

[frail heart]

This one time I agree with you

[calm copper]

Nope. Server on new version. Absolute fail

[burnt lantern]

do it yourself

[frail heart]

Same here triple checked im on the new version that was sent out to all server owners

[burnt lantern]

i didnt experience a single fatal error

[calm copper]

An update for the update that didnt work, that doesnt work. About sums it up...

[burnt lantern]

😂

[frail heart]

You got game for free?

[burnt lantern]

yes

[frail heart]

Please move aside for paying customers 👀

Just kidding, least yous put the player count up in January for a short while

[feral vine]

The hll complete timeline

[burnt lantern]

i updated my game for the deluxe version bc i like the game

[frail heart]

Legend! 🙂

[burnt lantern]

and i spent almost 40 dollars just buying skins

[frail heart]

But sad to see the game dying now maybe its for the best

[feral vine]

You're the worst

[burnt lantern]

i cant resist the cossacks uniform, fvcking take my money T17

[burnt lantern]

xbox player 💀

i dont need aim assist to kill people 😂

[feral vine]

Spending money on micro transactions 💀

[burnt lantern]

i wont give my money to EA

[slate canopy]

Let people enjoy the game, whether people pay money or not. 🤷‍♀️

[burnt lantern]

and skins are cheaper than a burger in mcdonalds

[feral vine]

And utterly worthless. Microtransactions are a horrible business model to support

[slate canopy]

So you don't have to, but if they want to pay for it, they can.

[burnt lantern]

i just want to look cool in war 😂

and humble the noobs with the beginners' skins

[feral vine]

That mentality is why the video game industry is in the dumper

[calm copper]

I cannot enjoy the game. FATAL Error repeatedly...

[slate canopy]

You say that like you haven't spent money on useless things 😛

[finite berry]

Is it a beginner skin if it comes down to a one-time payment and not progression, tho

[feral vine]

I haven't

[burnt lantern]

just let me be happy 😭

[finite berry]

No, you can't be happy. Suffer with all of us. No fun allowed.

[slate canopy]

Not a random trinket you like? A CD from an artist you like that you'll never listen to? Shirt you want to wear, never do? Food you plan to eat, never do and throw out?

[feral vine]

Physicality already adds value

So not useless or worthless like skins

And no

[gritty thorn]

will they ever make the pacific theather?

[slate canopy]

What about gamepass then? You don't physically have it, you won't play ALL the free games.

[finite berry]

No.

[gritty thorn]

aw

[feral vine]

Dont have gamepass

[feral vine]

Will they ever make a working game

[gritty thorn]

? they already have one, can't find any issues.

[slate canopy]

You don't have any sort of online subscriptions?

[feral vine]

Nope

[slate canopy]

I find that hard to believe, but okay.

[feral vine]

Wouldn't change the fact buying skins now and participating in micro transactions is fundamentally a scam and pointless

[slate canopy]

You're welcome to have that opinion. If someone wants to spend that money, that's on them. If you don't wanna, you don't gotta.

[supple ridge]

how do yall play this unoptimized piece of crap lul

[thin lotus]

Great time to pickup hll on sale

Again

🤭

[feral vine]

Nah ill forever argue against people supporting that shill

[slate canopy]

You do you boo.

[slate canopy]

I have a good time. 🤷‍♀️

[supple ridge]

can't even get in the game no more

[feral vine]

Literally cant play it

[slate canopy]

I got in 3 on Friday night. Did have issues with the first 2, but played a full match in the 3rd.

[feral vine]

Good thing the devs got their vacation in

[supple ridge]

disgusting uninstalling gl hf

[slate canopy]

👋 Take care.

[past vortex]

ON EPIC ?????????????

lol

[frail heart]

"Again" must be the 20th time this year

[thin lotus]

Yes

[nova oracle]

Milsim players, OPEN FIRE

TAKE EM DOWN

The average hell let loose squad lead Vs the virgin read-a-map Arma reforger player

We’ve got 30 second OP’s and garrisons, what you got, 30 minute helicopter rides from HQ

Don’t think I forget about the day z players

[thin lotus]

Hll players would agree. That is, if they could read

[nova oracle]

Oh wait HLL has a map too 💀

[past vortex]

but it doesnt have horses

[nova oracle]

Neither does Arma reforger

[past vortex]

literally unplayable

[nova oracle]

Holdfast has horses

Holdfast is just the hell let loose community that left hell let loose

It’s weird hearing Americans playing as red coats

[feral vine]

Well holdfast works

[nova oracle]

Not once on Holdfast have I ever heard someone say “it’s Tuesday innit”

Or “tea and biscuits”

People still can’t wrap their head around the fact I’m not American

I feel like America is soon gonna run out of excuses and countries to invade so they’ll probably annex Canada

I still can’t believe Quebec is in Canada and not near Russia

[wind shore]

it is

[nova oracle]

They’re killing off hell let loose for hell let loose Vietnam

[wind shore]

hope it dies too

[nova oracle]

It’ll split the playerbase

What really killed hell let loose was battlefield 6

All the battlefield players who were only temporarily on hell let loose, over inflated the numbers

[solar slate]

they had a good opportunity to solidify hell let losoe as the premiere big team fps

to be able to fight bf

[finite berry]

Nah, not really

[solar slate]

ah well

the game was building up really good momentum

going viral on tiktok often

then they rushed out some truly infamous updates, the german op trailer, fired or reallocated most of the staff

[meager timber]

punk is dead

[spare monolith]

Not sure where to post this, but I am one of the OG players in HLL been here since the very beginning. I am unfortunately leaving HLL, the game I love(ed) so much. While I like that T17 has attempted to make QOL changes, I can no longer continue to accept aspects of tone deaf updates like U18. Please repeal the CO Arty concept ASAP and take away the FOV slider for ADS altogether. I witnessed the CO Arty take out 3 Garrisons at once in a match last week. This gm is predicated upon spawns and to simply delete them with no counter with respect to only needing a 5 min cooldown and resources is, IMO completely unacceptable. The FOV ADS slider, in addition to registry issues, is an attempt to balance and bridge the skill gap between hardcore veteran players like myself and inbound new players who havent adjusted to the draw distance and scanning required to hit long shots with a rifle. The reason this was so successful at its inception was in part because it did not cater to other mainstream titles...IMO it appears T17 is attempting to bridge that gap as well, FULL STOP before you lose ALL of the OG players who have financially supported this game over the years. DEVS, please read this, thank you.

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/nathantriska-ana-mrstriska-hottest-guy-influencer-gif-17868006

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/winnie-the-pooh-i-cannot-read-gif-10549564367608169258

[finite berry]

Lots of true stuff, and yet you miss one very important aspect. You OGs and your voices are not as important to T17 as you think you are.

[slate canopy]

This would be better in #1425052819311955969

[meager timber]

https://tenor.com/view/press-f-mg-salute-gif-15543929

[frail heart]

Most Veterans like me are long gone from playing Public these days only clan matches

[bold gale]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-soprano-the-sopranos-disappointed-shake-my-head-reaction-gif-8454516453669403576

[empty steppe]

Poor horses

[tacit matrix]

Soon we all in vietnam (video) 😄 -> https://www.instagram.com/reel/DP61EUTDpqW/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

gymfailnation

Here is your pre-workout for today 💪

Likes

13029

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[worthy charm]

People live saying that whilst the numbers dont reflect that at all...

How? Why?

I dont want to be the guy getting the hourse outta there.

[past vortex]

its like in hll

only that hll doesnt have horses

yet

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/ogvhs-side-eye-mad-men-joan-joanie-gif-18199478

[past vortex]

(i just had another fatal error)

[covert elbow]

Why are you playing???

[past vortex]

yea idk

i guess i wont anymore

the best part is that the fatal errors are not even planned to be adressed tomorrow

[feral vine]

Game was unplayable well before u18. They just threw more gas on the tire fire

[fading shoal]

divagree

[feral vine]

Thank God they reworked armor though

[covert elbow]

Still can’t believe they said “we’re going to rework armor to be more like they were IRL” and then just didn’t do that

This dev team are a bunch of pathological liers

[worthy charm]

Skill issue ;}

-# kidding obviously

[worthy charm]

I dont think thats exactly what they said.

[covert elbow]

I’m pretty sure I remember in a dev log or livestream they said that

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/greenhairbil-sus-dog-gif-27690748

[covert elbow]

Maybe it was “feel like they were irl”

Point is though, they completely botched the update

I’m not even going to call it a rework anymore either. None of these have been reworks

Its number changes. Thats it. These guys can’t even correctly label their updates

[feral vine]

Just revert the update. Easy fix

[covert elbow]

They aren’t

These guys can only double down and give an apology for the 60th time

[finite berry]

Won't happen, furthermore not easy.

[feral vine]

They wont apologize. They'll just blame vivox or epic servers and tell people to try unplugging and plugging in their headsets again

[covert elbow]

Oh god I forgot about that lmao

Why do you keep posting injured/ dead horses? This is getting disturbing

[past vortex]

as i said its like playing hll

[empty steppe]

I think im missing the point

[slate canopy]

Stop.

That was VERY inappropriate.

[empty steppe]

I’m just surprised how many photos he’s got

[slate canopy]

I'm sure it's from google.

[empty steppe]

Maybe huk is a dead horse photo collector?

[finite berry]

I think we all should stop beating this dead horse

[nova oracle]

It’s a free weekend

[nova oracle]

LOL

I remember that “just plug your headset in before you launch the game”

Pray your controller doesn’t disconnect

[covert elbow]

Is it free weekend rn? For what platform?

[nova oracle]

Free play days on Xbox plus sale

Assuming it’s on PSN aswell

It’s also been on gamespass since El Alamein

I honestly think that them putting on gamespass was a terrible idea

The quality of players were either swallowed up by clans or left

pubs is pretty unplayable, clan servers it’s tolerable, though I haven’t touched official pubs in years

[finite berry]

It was

[nova oracle]

Then you have those servers where vote to kick is disabled 💀

Vote to kick being disabled is stupid

[covert elbow]

Gamepass was one of the nails in the coffin, arguable the 2nd to last

[nova oracle]

Even when an admin is on, you need a speech check to convince them to kick the bad apples

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/yYQy.gif

[nova oracle]

That and Elsenborne ridge

I loathe that map

[covert elbow]

That was most definitely not lmao

None of the new maps have been worthy of “this game is dead”

That’s like the one thing T17 is good at, making alright to good maps

[nova oracle]

The objectives are too far apart or too close on defence so fitting garrisons is aids

I like Driel, it’s a better Remagen

[covert elbow]

I hate Driel

Non-existing map

[nova oracle]

My favourite map is SMDM

[covert elbow]

They could have done a ton of other cool market garden maps but instead they chose a map that didn’t even exist

[nova oracle]

Driel was just a a slaughter

[acoustic ingot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1429530146238369844/1429557961163935814/caption.gif

[nova oracle]

It was just the Polish, British and Dutch getting egg fried rice by a panzer division

Why the British armour didn’t push with the Americans, I’ll still never understand

[covert elbow]

More so the fact that the Germans blew the bridge 2 weeks before driel so the map literally doesn’t even exist irl

Also from what mine heard driel only had a small skirmish, not a full battle

[nova oracle]

Is Driel the first bridge they come across in the film?

[covert elbow]

Film?

You mean a bridge to far?

[nova oracle]

Yeah

[meager timber]

devs could add free beer and people would still type 12 paragraphs about how it breaks immersion

[covert elbow]

Driel wasn’t in that movie

[nova oracle]

Don’t you see it get blown?

No I’m thinking of Nmijgen

[covert elbow]

Driel was one of the various bridges that was planned to be taken in the operation by the Polish and British engineers, however the bridge was blown up 2 weeks prior to Market Garden

[covert elbow]

Yea

[nova oracle]

The Germans had the right idea with cutting their losses

Shame Hollywood always portrays them as blood thirsty when they start losing a battle, they always start shooting civilians

That’s always a thing in the older films, they always start killing off the civilian characters

[covert elbow]

Dude

That’s what the Germans did

[meager timber]

True. They did that regardless

[covert elbow]

At the end of the war they either kidnapped all working age men or killed them a lot

There was countless civilian casualties and forced labor battalions left by the Germans since like… Africa

And probably sooner that I don’t know of

[real parrot]

They ate the horses

[nova oracle]

The civilian casualties were through the roof

The French ate the horses

Didn’t the horses get wiped out at the start of the war?

The Soviets weren’t much better

[meager timber]

BTW mods can you guys pin a "the update sucks" message so people don't have retype it every day?

[nova oracle]

The Japanese were the most vicious of the bunch, booby trapping bodies etc

Even Hitler had sense not to use German kamikazes

What would a German Kamikaze shout anyway?

DU HAST

NEEEUUUR 🔥🔥🔥

Just realised how hard that’ll be

At least with hell let looses environment it’s obvious

[honest geyser]

Does this game still have frame rate bugs and such im thinking of buying it heard there was some frame rate bugs and such

[gray lagoon]

I think it depends on how strong your computer is. I have rarely had any problems though.

[meager timber]

Yes

[covert elbow]

Yes

[honest geyser]

Thats what driving me away from buying the game

[honest geyser]

Is it game breaking?

[echo karma]

Patch notes when

[covert elbow]

Yes

[honest geyser]

Damn but the bugs are associated with update 18 right?

[gray lagoon]

The patch notes for the hotfix coming out on monday are already out

[covert elbow]

Yes and no

[covert elbow]

Where?

[echo karma]

Nah cuz they gon sneak in something nobody knows about

[gray lagoon]

https://www.hellletloose.com/blog/update-18-hotfix-1

It seems like they have fixed everything exept the client side crashes

[honest geyser]

On the fence whether to buy it

[river rover]

It's a great game but currently has some issues introduced by last patch. They'll have hotfix tomorrow to help with some of the issues but may still have crashes. 🙁

[honest geyser]

Is there a high learning curve?

[past vortex]

it always had bugs and bad perf, since u18 its just common

[slate canopy]

To a degree, yes, but as long as you communicate and be willing to learn, you'll catch on. It can be very frustrating and overwhelming with all the information and plentiful deaths. Have you watched gameplay?

[honest geyser]

Yes hence why im interested in ahev thousands of hours in tactical shooters

[slate canopy]

Then at least you have somewhat an idea of the gameplay.

You can find guides on youtube or in #1273828697941606450 to help with your gameplay and learning. Otherwise, trial by fire and communicate if you have questions.

[honest geyser]

What im used too FAFO lol

[slate canopy]

As long as you don't mind dying a lot 😅 and of course our current server issues (which I think have improved some, depending on the server), it's a fun game.

[honest geyser]

Used to it with other games lol

[echo karma]

Game like 30$ on sale no

[honest geyser]

20 rn

[feral vine]

Dont, its a bug riddled mess that crashes nonstop

Save your money

[echo karma]

Sadly AH has more direction than t17. Why they scrapped tinker? Didn't say they scrapped it

That was kinda cool too. But nah just scrap it. And you think they can do spgs

[past vortex]

game would still be fun regardless of changes if it would run acceptable

[feral vine]

True, gameplay changes would be more impactful if you could actually play the game

[drowsy quail]

question:

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/anker-solix-a1723211-c300x-portable-power-stat/

https://www.makitauk.com/data/sr/productinfo/generated/hp0300_2.pdf

will that power bank run that drill?

[feral vine]

Ooo what new bugs are they adding

[spiral current]

(this is wrong) so they're doubling down on the arty ability vs garry thing eh? - latest planned patch notes confirm they still want it to do this.

[urban shale]

So the crashes are the biggest issue with U18 and not on the hotfix patch notes 🤣 ggs T17

[urban shale]

It says they won't be able to destroy garrisons now

[spiral current]

I'm a dumbass

yep, says it can destroy spawnpoints but not garrisons

notes in telegrams channel

[fading shoal]

divagree

[slate canopy]

try with a . before hand 😉

[shy relic]

What does that mean? It can destroy airheads?

[gray lagoon]

probrably outposts

[shy relic]

Whatttt

That’s so stupid too

[gray lagoon]

Commanders are not going to spend that much munituions just to destroy a few outposts

[fringe hollow]

Aren't they increasing spread and decreasing amount as well? It'll be even less accurate with lower chances to hit

Yeah then clearing OPs can just be a little side thing, they are easy to replace and free anyway

[obtuse dragon]

Do you guys think that

we'll one day get a "moscow outskirts" map?

[covert elbow]

No

[gray lagoon]

Maybe, but the next update is going to be a soviet map that isn't Moscow, and I don't think they will do another soviet map very soon

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/emotiguy-shadow-emoji-shadow-emoji-dark-emotiguy-dark-emoji-blank-stare-in-the-dark-gif-11899848196323977285

[obtuse dragon]

ik, smolensk, hope it isn't messed up with the performance like stalingrad

Actually, i think smolensk was leaked way before update 18

[gray lagoon]

Carentan is another ciry level and I don't think the performance on that map is very bad

[covert elbow]

Barely

A lot of the buildings aren’t enter able so there’s not as much to load

Plus the Normandy maps are the most optimized

[obtuse dragon]

probably because they were the main focus

[covert elbow]

Pretty much

The Soviets and Brit’s are an unoptimized and poorly made mess

Just look at the balancing

[obtuse dragon]

Tbh i don't think the brits are that weak

[covert elbow]

They absolutely are

The Germans didn’t get rebalanced to fight the Brit’s so the advantage in weapons is very noticeable

[obtuse dragon]

i mean, it depends, are we talking about "that specific map" with the allies or the british 8th army?

[covert elbow]

Driel

[gray lagoon]

In my opinion they lack semi automatic and full automatic weapons

[covert elbow]

Africa is pretty balance

[covert elbow]

That’s the main issue

[obtuse dragon]

Oh, yeah, absolutely they're lowkey azz

If their uniforms didn't blend in well with the enviroment it would be insanely easy to lose as them

[covert elbow]

The Germans are balanced to the Americans who have a ton of auto and semi-autos, so they got supplemented with a ton of those to keep on par

But against the British and the Soviets they don’t need them, hence the in-balance

[obtuse dragon]

The soviets aren't that bad tbh, the most common weapon is the PPSH 41

[covert elbow]

Which is an issue

This is WW2. Bolt actions should be plentiful not automatics

[gray lagoon]

I do wish they would add more market garden maps

[covert elbow]

I’ve been wanting a overhaul of the loadouts for a long time

[covert elbow]

Would be nice

[obtuse dragon]

i mean, the ppsh 41 was common enough to be constantly captured by the germans

[covert elbow]

Yes but there’s still way to many of them in game

[obtuse dragon]

Same goes for the MP-40, the soviets captured so many that they even gave some to the NVA in the 60's

[covert elbow]

That’s just a general issue with non-standard rifles

[mighty flower]

Do anti tank mines instantly destroy them?

[obtuse dragon]

fuh no gng 🥀

They do significant damage tho

You should use them to slow down tanks to place satchels on them or in chokepoints to catch trucks off guard

[slate canopy]

I have definitely died in a heavy tank from an antitank mine before... But I have no clue for the new update

[tired ingot]

It used to be 2 AT mines to kill a heavy tank. They needed to be positioned side by side and for the tank to drive over centre mass or else they only get tracked and some damage.
Unsure if more than 2 AT mines would be required now

[past vortex]

you need to put 2 AT next to each other for a kill

for a heavy

[mighty flower]

How do server owners in this game make money to pay for the server?

[real parrot]

Hll is not a sim

[night lark]

Donations

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/rawr-cat-lion-like-yawn-kitty-gif-16897243544055376803

^ you

[real parrot]

No

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813465453942145067/1364712269107298334/speechmemified_tankfly.gif

Thats me

[west plank]

Some of them stream and use the revenue from that. Some charge for VIP. Some make content for YouTube. Some clans maintain a server through donations. And while I don't know anyone personally I suspect some have the personal income to cover the server costs without being burdensome.

[prime yarrow]

What time does the hot fix come tomorrow?

[worthy charm]

#telegrams message

[wind shore]

it wont fix anything

safe call, it'll cause more problems

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-want-me-to-say-what-to-tell-asking-real-talk-firm-gif-15196150

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/nuthin-nothing-smokey-friday-chris-tucker-gif-14879979942224756554

[near atlas]

This game is starting to annoy me. Almost everyday I play, I get either Lost Connection to Host or Fatal Error. Now today I can't even click the "press any button to continue" at the start of the game.

[prime yarrow]

The only thing they will fix is the lag

[near atlas]

true. now I cant even play the game anymore because it wont let me in. Maybe it wants me to quit

[loud sail]

I can't even connect "A network error has occurred. Please try again" - Xbox.

[worthy charm]

Thats a pretty old bug...

I forgot the fix tho

You should find help in #1270189497719586908 or ask again in #1271718922734796865

[lucid rapids]

mine has crashed at least twice a day, now no connection to online services at all

[prime yarrow]

It's 2042 all over again

[tired ingot]

I'm also getting the A network error has occurred, on Steam, reported by others in our community. Actually think this might be a wider issue

[near atlas]

When I started playing Hell let loose way back 10 months ago. I never encountered these bugs. So why now

[worthy charm]

Maybe because they are deploying the patch rn? Idk sry

[prime yarrow]

Laziness I guess

[tired ingot]

all good. Possibly the patch, no announcement though

[lucid rapids]

HLL is a pretty buggy mess in general

still play every day though

[prime yarrow]

I almost quit hll after over a year straight

[near atlas]

I still play, but when the game forces me out and wont let me in. How can I continue

[prime yarrow]

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

[lucid rapids]

I reset my router twice before I realized it was just HLL doing HLL things

[spark shale]

So not just me welp now I know my internet doesn't need to be paid 😂

[austere ivy]

What game in 2025 isn't?

[austere ivy]

Dude, I was thinking the same. Like "Did I pay my internet??" lmao

[prime yarrow]

I'm pretty sure they are implementing the hot fix rn

I can't even get in

[lucid rapids]

I'm on PS5 and it's by far the worst game I've dealt with all around glitchiness

[rigid lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-awkward-awkward-cat-cat-awkward-gif-24906225

[prime yarrow]

That's not true

[barren drum]

Im getting A Network error has occurred?

restarted everything

[austere ivy]

It's HLL sided

[barren drum]

still not working

[prime yarrow]

It's happening to everyone

[barren drum]

bruh

[prime yarrow]

Servers are down

[barren drum]

Back to Tarkov

[prime yarrow]

Going back to war thunder

[austere ivy]

I don't know if Tarkov or HLL would be the top for worst bugs/glitches. I'd say Tarkov could slightly take that cake but not by much lol

[near atlas]

is HLL down?

[austere ivy]

Yes

[prime yarrow]

Yup

[near atlas]

so maybe it explains why I cant click press any button to continue

[prime yarrow]

Or maybe you didn't turned it off and on again

[slim basin]

same

[jovial geode]

Hotfix?

Coming?

🤝

[steady kite]

🙁

[near atlas]

now EPIC games seems having a problem

[leaden ivy]

what da helly

[spark shale]

Welp uninstalled and reinstalled and still not working so 100% on HLL side of things

[hallow barn]

hll broken

[hallow barn]

insanely based

[prime yarrow]

I'm diving off the cliff in remagen if this fix doesn't do anything

[austere ivy]

Too bad, you can't clip through the air anymore

[tired ingot]

Maybe this

Major AWS outage

https://www.theverge.com/news/802486/aws-outage-alexa-fortnite-snapchat-offline

[prime yarrow]

Facts

[vast glen]

yeah its all over steam games ... so AWS may be the culprit here

[nova hedge]

was having the best recon game of my life this is tough

[austere ivy]

Felt

[finite berry]

The main thing that keeps me away from HLL, haha

[finite berry]

Not a great loss looking at those companies, hehe

[river sigil]

the Jewish man fears the autistic engineer player

[hard light]

Anyone from HHL wanna comment?

[sturdy quarry]

hell horse loose

[cold sequoia]

Ben still thinks its sunday

[wind shore]

"as soon as we can" so next month?

[fluid pawn]

It is indeed related to AWS. Hoping that it will get sorted asap

[covert elbow]

If this isn’t a sign I don’t know what is

[fluid pawn]

Was chasing up the IT team to confirm the issues

[urban shale]

Maybe this delay will give yall time to fix the real major issue with the crashes 🤣

[fluid pawn]

We're getting the hotfix sorted first kedo

[lofty anvil]

The contextual repairs is so bad

[wind shore]

U18 still trash and ppl already asking for u19. you really want the game to die

[cold sequoia]

forget u19

[urban shale]

For real, can't even get a functional update and yall want the next one already? What do you think will happen

At this rate the new map is gonna be a cardboard box with some crayon doodles on it

[versed jay]

But you won’t get to play on it for 5 mins, then CRASH

[wind shore]

My brother, with the current server crashes you wont be able to play the new map

[covert elbow]

It’s just Kedo. That guys a unapologetic shill who acts like this game is the most amazing thing since sliced bread

[sturdy quarry]

release of early u18 in oct to then PTE u19 late oct was tight assuming the release went well, which T17 have not ever delivered

not sure what everyone huffing

[covert elbow]

Just ignore him

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/daddy-shill-daddy-shill-gif-24978155

[quiet hound]

Greatest map ever..? Explain.

[lofty anvil]

Does anyone actually like the contextual repairs?

[urban shale]

I just want a stable game idc whats repaired or not

[covert elbow]

He made a suggestion to add solmensek so he thinks that made the map because he asked for it, dispite it being in the pipeline a lot longer then him asking for it

[urban shale]

I'd keep the game as is a month ago over what we have now

[versed jay]

When has any T17 Update “went well”
-# The answer is Never just so you know

[covert elbow]

So he acts like he’s the reason solmensk is in the game

[lofty anvil]

Agreed, update was awful in numerous ways

[covert elbow]

Yea. It adds some depth and immersion that the game sorely needs

[lofty anvil]

But hey at least battlefield is out

[wind shore]

What happend to berlin?

[lofty anvil]

This game needs more immersion? In the form of having to climb on top of a tank to repair the turret? Do u use tanks

[bold gale]

We really need SS parkas in customisation... Forget about hotfixes, updates and anything else, just do it now...

[covert elbow]

Tbh as a whole the update was good. Only negative parts that aren’t technical screw ups is the tank update, Argueably the Stalingrad map, and commander artillery. Other than that the updates pretty swell

[versed jay]

Devs said it’s not coming that is would be HLL “Swan Song”

But in theory it should have been in U18 at this point cause U18 appears to be HLLs Swan Song

[wind shore]

[lofty anvil]

Go drive a panther and tell me the update is good

[covert elbow]

Like I said, tactical depth. Plus it gets rid of the annoying strategy of sitting behind a tank and repairing it while it’s getting damaged. This ain’t battlefield and I’d rather have the tank actually need to back off to repair modules rather than sitting still mid-combat

[urban shale]

Idk if we can even call that driving anymore

[wind shore]

ragebait

[shy relic]

So hotfix is today right?

[covert elbow]

Okay so did you bother to read what I said?

I feel like people saw the first sentence and didn’t bother reading the rest

[shy relic]

Bruh I just tried getting as I was typing this and I got a. Network error

[wind shore]

should call it the "stepbro experience"

[shy relic]

Can anyone else not get online?

[urban shale]

You said tanks, Stalingrad, and commander Arty. Thats literally the entire update 🤣 the 3 biggest things topics in the update are broken and poorly executed

[covert elbow]

What about the new weather updates to existing maps? Support pick ups? New map icons?

[lofty anvil]

Midday through a game just get network error so I'll be on battlefield until it's fixed

[prime yarrow]

My sleep schedule to see if this bs is fixed

[lofty anvil]

Midway

[covert elbow]

I’m not saying the update was incredible, but the other stuff that was in the update was good additions

[lofty anvil]

Like what?

[wind shore]

a little more fog on stalingrad

[versed jay]

Yea I love the crashes

[covert elbow]

The tank stuff should absolutely be reverted and looked at cause it was awful

[covert elbow]

I just said

[urban shale]

No one gives a single f about the weather 🤣 and the other things you listed weren't needed or cared about

[shy relic]

It’s so annoying I wanted to play one single game today and I can’t even get online

[quiet hound]

This game is cooked, isn’t it?

[shy relic]

So cooked

[worthy charm]

Acting horrible? Should you have complaints make a #modmail-request , regardless please dont straight up lie.

[lofty anvil]

Imagine how cooked vietnam gonna be. Dead on arrival the way its going

[river sigil]

pacific theater when

[shy relic]

So on the day of the hotfix the game isn’t even opening?

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-randy-marsh-south-park-s14e14-crème-fraiche-gif-23114937

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[covert elbow]

“Weren’t needed” okay buddy. By that logic they shouldn’t touch the game at all and just abandon the game because we don’t need more content since we have enough

[river sigil]

😭 😭 😭

[granite parrot]

I can't even start the game on PC "connection error" anybody else is experiencing this rn?

[shy relic]

Yep

[bronze elm]

same

[shy relic]

Can’t even get online

[fluid pawn]

this is due to the AWS outage #telegrams

[versed jay]

When U19 works perfect on release
-# So basically never

[river sigil]

I think there was a ddos on many servers

[urban shale]

We need a stable game not more stuff thats going to break as they already have

[granite parrot]

Oh so it's not only me

[heavy garnet]

That means I'm not the only one who can't get in

[fluid pawn]

nah it's most of the internet atm https://downdetector.co.uk/

[shy relic]

Nice now the hotfix is gonna be delayed even longer

[covert elbow]

So you agree they shouldn’t add or update the game and instead only fix the technical and server issues

[granite parrot]

Ah I see

[finite berry]

No. Definitely not.

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/by-very-soon-i-mean-probably-like-next-month-very-soon-next-month-opening-no-rush-gif-15197047

[urban shale]

Whats the point in adding content no one can play because they can't comprehend and and make their servers stable enough?

[worthy charm]

Kedo just stop

[blazing nacelle]

I can't think of a single major patch that didn't break the game on release, though this has been the worst one so far in terms of playability, 2nd would be when the supplies/trucks were released.

[worthy charm]

Like stop for real

[covert elbow]

So you do agree

I get your point man

But saying they shouldn’t add anything and not update existing mechanics is really counter intuitive

[lofty anvil]

Yes definitely. You have more faith in the devs than I do clearly, helicopters gonna be aids if the tanks are anything to go off

[urban shale]

I do agree they need content.... that works properly which they have yet to produce. I was simply stating on your comment on what was negative which was the majority and highlights of U18 lol

[covert elbow]

They need to fix the games technical and server issues, but they also should help the game in other ways as well like adding QOL

[versed jay]

Mortan was pretty bad tbh

[river sigil]

remove mortain

[finite berry]

I mean, different development teams, more resources for Vietnam and T17 simply can't afford to mess up HLLV's launch.

[urban shale]

The biggest QOL update we need is stable servers then they can go back to the drawing board on content and how to properly push an update

[covert elbow]

The biggest part of U18 was a disappointment, the 2nd biggest part was a mixed bag, and a new commander ability was awful. The rest of the smaller parts were in total very good. It’s just a shame they have been buried by the scrap pile that was tanks

[blazing nacelle]

community has said that for years, yet here we are.

[lofty anvil]

Unless they beta test my interest is diminishing rapidly thanks to this game

[covert elbow]

100% in agreement there

[cyan saddle]

2nd biggest part being Stalingrad, or?

[covert elbow]

Correct

[versed jay]

Helicopters will get stuck on birds 😂

[urban shale]

Completely agree just goes to shows they do 0 QA work on updates nor do they listen to the community

[shy relic]

What am I meant to play hell let loose doesn’t even open and bf6 is too fast paced

[worthy charm]

Kedo I warned you and if you dont stop you will get a warning

[cyan saddle]

I haven't heard anything bad about Stalingrad other than about Pavlov's

[finite berry]

Don't get me wrong, I totally get that. I'm not interested in Vietnam either

[worthy charm]

We both know what happens then

[lofty anvil]

Arma

[shy relic]

Birds? Invisible assets in the air probably

[urban shale]

Cuz no one can stay on it long enough to see anything else 🤣

[covert elbow]

This has been proven time and time again haha. I’m 97% sure they don’t have a QA team still

[urban shale]

Then they need to utilize the community in the PTE as their QA team which they dont

[lofty anvil]

I want to be interested and I want to like it, but this update ruins any sense of hope tbh. Even the AT changes were stupid

[covert elbow]

Some people said some of the new and changed buildings aren’t the best and there’s to much cover, which I don’t agree with. Imo apart from Pavlov’s this was a very well done update to the map. All we need now is a snow variant

[shy relic]

The at is gonna go thru more changes with the coming hotfix

[mellow knoll]

There's nothing bad about the new Stalingrad imo.

Would rather have that than the BS we had before.

[urban shale]

Tbh haven't gotten to even play it besides fly around in admin cam

[covert elbow]

That’s the funny thing. That’s what they’ve been doing. This update was forced out though for autumn game sales

Like the update dropped the day before or after the sales went live

[analog apex]

there is - Pavlov's house

[urban shale]

Tbh thats their poor excuse for poor execution

[covert elbow]

But it’s the truth

[urban shale]

Unfortunately

[covert elbow]

They also haven’t said that

That’s me connecting dots

[meager timber]

GUYS! We HAVE to gatekeep this game! Cmon think about the people that have played this game from the beginning. IT HAS TO BE DONE

[covert elbow]

They knew this game on a skeleton crew to maximize profits. So them pushing unfinished updates for sales follows their pattern

[urban shale]

Bro enough about U19, U18 isn't even playable at the moment so chill out

[covert elbow]

God I wish

[shy relic]

Definitely feels like it tho

[versed jay]

Helos will be able to fly through trees but explode in a field with tall grass 🤣

[lofty anvil]

Guys how did we go from ww2 to a certain group running US Congress?

[covert elbow]

Delete everyone who got the game for free, on sale, and on gamepass and let the community heal

We must purge the unclean!

WE WILL GO FORTH. INTO A NEW GOLDEN AGE

[shy relic]

Another issue with hell let loose inconsistency

[meager timber]

gamer dads unite

[lofty anvil]

If it wasn't for gamepass I wouldn't know it existed

[mellow knoll]

Lol i wish.

[covert elbow]

WHERE COMMUNICATION IS KEY, AND GARRISONS ARE APLENTY

RISE WITH ME BROTHER, SISTERS, AND SIBLINGS

TAKE BAXK WHAT IS OURS WE WILL INHERIT A NEW A-

[shy relic]

“Fatal error”

[meager timber]

CAN'T A BROTHER JUST NOT PLAY THE GAME FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS. COME BACK AND WIN??? IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK????

[covert elbow]

My game crashed

[lofty anvil]

Can u even play a full game?

[fleet jacinth]

Or raindrops

[meager timber]

depends on what i roll

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/critical-failure-baldur's-gate-3-dice-dice-roll-critical-gif-16389621355368608807

[urban shale]

Idk why you want them to rush things when they haven't fixed a single thing yet 🤣

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/nakayama-festa-umamusume-uma-musume-umamusume-picmix-uma-musume-picmix-gif-3557364379832958553

[cyan saddle]

Wanna hear a business secret kedo?

||Game studios tend to release updates right before christmas sales & chistmas break||

[urban shale]

You'll be lucky if we get a PTE for it this year

[meager timber]

we need to make this game great again (21 year old unemployed dude tweaking on adderall rolling the server full of 35 yo gamer dads who just tucked in their kids)

[covert elbow]

Me when hoping to not have my name of HLL crash

[covert elbow]

And autumn/ summer sales

[blazing nacelle]

I mean they fixed the grenade bug, right guys.... guys?

[urban shale]

And again they have yet to fix U18 this week, U19 shouldn't even be on their minds right now

[covert elbow]

There’s a reason we only get 2-3 “big” updates a year

[versed jay]

There is still 2 weeks left

[past veldt]

Can we all come to a collective agreement that AWS being down is Abu's fault though?

[cyan saddle]

They most definitely already have a release date for U19 scheduled, and everything besides the new map that is not ready will just be moved back to a later release.

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[covert elbow]

Maybe

[cyan saddle]

Orrrr it will just be released anyway

[covert elbow]

Can’t wait for the inappropriate new DLC as well

Their gonna add penal battalion uniforms for the Soviets and kriegsmarine cosmetics for the Germans

[versed jay]

You mean the T17 Way ?

[prime yarrow]

WE'RE IN

Servers are up

[cyan saddle]

tbf it's hard to say how much of U18 was lack of development time, lack of testing, or simply human error

[urban shale]

Ill take all of the above for $1000 Alex

[versed jay]

Great you can now crash 10 mins after joining

[covert elbow]

It was probably time constraint and a general lack of devs to work on the update

I guarantee you the dev team is like 10-20 people cause T-7 is hands on deck for HLL:V

[prime yarrow]

The panther isn't fixed 😢

[covert elbow]

The hotfix isn’t out yet

[cyan saddle]

The CMD arty ability destroying garrisons to me is a prime example of human error. Some dev copied some logic from the Katyusha because it needed an explosion and tada! It now destroys garrisons too. To me never sounded like a deliberate design decision.

[blazing nacelle]

I miss being able to do donuts in 4th gear on the panther 🥲

[random cloud]

was there an update?

[prime yarrow]

Yup

[versed jay]

A lot of games nowadays are small team, this is no excuse, for example ARMA is a small team but they run an experimental version of the game for months for testing not just a weekend

[cold sequoia]

yeh it took down half the internet

[south storm]

He is, in the hotfix

[cold sequoia]

computer says NO

[shy relic]

Does arma ever have issues where the game is constantly crashing?

[urban shale]

Never crashed once for me

[shy relic]

Like I’m being genuine I have no idea

[covert elbow]

Well here’s the thing, HLL has a small team of unmotivated and unenthusiastic devs most likely because T17 fired/ transferred all the old staff to Vietnam and then hired whoever was cheaper to work on WW2

[versed jay]

Mostly console players if people run crap mods

[random cloud]

stuck connecting to game

[shy relic]

Yeah but the base game?

[covert elbow]

So instead of having passionate devs working on the game we have people who are simply collexting checks and going to work

[south storm]

#telegrams message

[shy relic]

That’s definitely what it feels like

[versed jay]

Not so much depends on server location

[urban shale]

Majority of T17 devs have <1 year of experience, I think the most experience on their Dev team is only 2 maybe 3 years

[versed jay]

Not what HLL was ment to be

[cyan saddle]

source™?

[meager timber]

base game runs like feces

[covert elbow]

Yep. Tbh neither was black matter though

This game died in kickstarter

[shy relic]

But does it crash every 20 minutes?

[blazing nacelle]

I mean the OG devs sold HLL as a first person company of heroes

[versed jay]

No, I rarely crash in any Vanilla server, it’s over modded servers that’s runs non optimized mods

[covert elbow]

The original marketing and descriptions are such a different game it’s wild

[worthy charm]

Didnt they say there are about 30 or 40 devs on HLL? Now taking the the sum of all Expression Staff would mean about the same if not a little more on HLLV.

Some have to be support staff

[past veldt]

Keep talking about this and Sam will show up

[covert elbow]

It’s a shame to because they ride it to this day, so people join expecting a semi-serious MilSim with coordination but get a run and gun shooter

[covert elbow]

30 on WW2 and 80 on V iirc, however they said they switch up staff depending on priority’s

[worthy charm]

Dont start with that again your last 2 "sources" didnt say anything like this

[covert elbow]

Ben said it somewhere

[worthy charm]

Also expression doesnt even has that many employees.

[covert elbow]

Okay but that’s even worse lmao

How many do they have?

[past veldt]

Expression had an avg of 65 employees during 2024

[worthy charm]

You can look it up on LinkedIn. That definitly better than having a source on "trust me bro" basis.

[past veldt]

It's on Companies House. It's public info

[worthy charm]

#hll-videos

[austere ivy]

You act like they are some triple A title. They are indie devs. Chill out dude lmao

[covert elbow]

Okay so by their LinkedIn page they have 105 employees, and that is split between 2 games

[silk current]

Thanks twinnamon

[covert elbow]

Dude what?

[meager timber]

that's the good part of hll

[covert elbow]

T17 is triple AAA what are you talking about “indie” devs???

[cloud mirage]

anyone else unable to connect?

[austere ivy]

No, no they are not. Worms isn't a game they spent millions of dollars on lmao

[past veldt]

They near doubled in size between 2023 and 2024. That indicator alone was evidence they were creating a 2nd HLL game

[urban shale]

Far from AAA unfortunately lol

[covert elbow]

Their at least double A

Calling T17 an “indie” company is like calling Walmart a local grocery chain

[urban shale]

Not even close they are technically "Premium Indie" games

[versed jay]

From the looks of U18 and every other update before then -A

[urban shale]

Employees yeah but the dev team makes up a very small portion of that

[versed jay]

Negative

[worthy charm]

You got the link, now you just need to actually read it.

[covert elbow]

Yea. A double/triple A company yet their producing content at a rate of a single dev indie game who works on the game in their spare time between their 2 jobs

[austere ivy]

Look up "Is Team 17 a Triple a developer?" case closed

[cloud mirage]

Can anyone connect to HLL atm? I keep getting connection error yet every other online game works for me...

[austere ivy]

#telegrams

[urban shale]

No, Team17 is not a AAA company; it is a publisher and developer known for "premium indie" games like Overcooked and Worms, and its CEO has stated the company does not intend to make AAA titles. AAA games involve significantly higher budgets, and Team17 has focused on cost-effective, high-quality independent titles, though its Hell Let Loose project aims to compete with AAA titles in its genre.
Company focus: Team17 has explicitly stated it is not interested in making AAA games because of the high risk involved. Instead, it focuses on publishing and developing high-quality "premium indie" titles.
AAA vs. indie: AAA games are characterized by massive budgets and are produced by major publishers, while indie games are typically made by smaller teams and have smaller budgets. Team17 operates in the space between these two, supporting independent developers and publishing games with broader appeal than traditional indie games.
"Premium indie" model: Team17 considers its approach "premium indie" because its titles are high-quality and have achieved multi-million dollar success, but are produced in a more cost-effective manner than AAA games.
Hell Let Loose: While the company has acquired and is building up the multiplayer shooter Hell Let Loose to compete with its AAA counterparts, this is an exception rather than the rule for its overall strategy.

[covert elbow]

Okay well we’re both wrong because T17 isn’t the developers their the publisher

But expression games itself, by definition, is at least a double A company because of its employee size

[urban shale]

That label refers to the budget more or less than anything

[versed jay]

I bet the don’t get this bonus a lot or at all 🤣

Annual Bonus Scheme
Company success is a collective achievement, which is why every employee is eligible to receive a bonus so that we can celebrate our success together.

[cold sequoia]

good luck with that

[covert elbow]

But this is a weird argument because HLL is definitely not made by indie devs

It’s pretty much always been double A since T17 has been publishing since I believe launch

[finite berry]

Or is it? 😏

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/come-here-kitty-kitten-cat-cat-meme-gif-9842965060322201652

[urban shale]

Look up other Indie games produced, it doesn't mean they are bad games just the lack the budget and funding to produce high quality games

[meager timber]

wdym. kickstarter game lol

[covert elbow]

Kickstarter game, T17 published

[austere ivy]

Black Matter was for sure an indie dev lmao. The game in itself was create by an independant developer

[worthy charm]

Horse girl react him

[covert elbow]

You can’t turn the tables on me German man. Don’t make me Summon The Goldship That Kills You

[meager timber]

and?

[austere ivy]

Team 17 bought the game in 2022 the game came out in 2019

[meager timber]

we need this in hll

[covert elbow]

It was in early access from 2019-2022. 2022 was when the game officially released with the Soviet update

[meager timber]

yes that dude is me

[austere ivy]

Nicki Minaj slide canceling you on Omaha Beach

[covert elbow]

The next Call of Duty set in WW2 will be that

We already got Snoop dog in the pacific jungles

[austere ivy]

Team17 wasn't apart of the Early Access

[covert elbow]

If they ever make a WaW remaster like MW I will be flabbergasted tbh

No micro transactions, no skins, just DLC’s and the base game

That’ll be the day

[austere ivy]

This is all CoD really needs to do tbh. They have been hot garbage since they started releasing games on PS4 and after lol

[covert elbow]

After Black Ops 2 is when it died

Cause AW inteoduced loot crates with BO3 adding wacky skins

[austere ivy]

If it was on the PS3 or Xbox 360 and later it was most likely a good CoD

[covert elbow]

Before that COD still had an identity. The last solid cod was MW19

I just miss the days when game company’s actually sold you games and not storefronts

Even HLL has become that

[austere ivy]

That is still kind of a stretch since it had the battlepass

[covert elbow]

I’d still rather have payed for the British and Soviet expansions if that meant we got more free cosmetics and content relating to the factions rather than the buttload of DLC’s and slow content we have now

[covert elbow]

Sadly

[austere ivy]

I need games with more tanks that is not War Thunder or World of Tanks

[covert elbow]

HLL if it actually wanted to be good

More tanks would be awesome

[main harness]

Instantly reporting an AWS outage like the game hasn't been unplayable since the patch dropped is hilarious

[covert elbow]

Just HLL things ❤️

[main harness]

Do you even realise how stupid it is to do that? Lmao

[cyan saddle]

Badger would have rather they said nothing, got it 👍

[main harness]

Yeah. I would.

[tribal moon]

They reported it so fast compared to any other actual HLL news 🙁

[meager timber]

i'm angry grrrrr!

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/rawr-cat-lion-like-yawn-kitty-gif-16897243544055376803

[main harness]

Abu when did you last play HLL?

[versed jay]

Of your a DEV reading all this and it doesn’t anger you about your quality of work you should probably rethink your career
-# Who am I kidding they don’t read or care about this that much or we would get quality

[austere ivy]

Give me a M18 Hellcat, Panzer 3 for the desert maps, KV-1, Stug 3, Sherman M4A1's, M36 Jackson, and all of the other sweet as Tank Destroyers.

[cyan saddle]

Last booted up yesterday I believe. Last played was with a friend about a week ago.

[covert elbow]

God I wish

I wish we could get some US maps for North Africa so we can get the M3 Lee

[austere ivy]

DUDE YES

[versed jay]

Revert tank adjustments and add tank destroyers U18 will be about 40% saved

[hallow ibex]

nvm, found it ..

[wind shore]

How about the Mercedes-Benz 770K or Mercedes-Benz G4

[austere ivy]

Honestly what I was hoping for, then they broke tanks