mess-hall

[echo karma]

Whoever made gummy ice cream is a genius tho. How they make that sht?

[thin lotus]

I’m sure the devs are appreciative of you deflecting all the shortcomings towards this management that may or may not even exist

[solar slate]

Someone allocates and hires the team yes

[echo karma]

We don't have the 4chan yet.

[thin lotus]

Well sure if that’s how you want to keep backpedaling the reasons to why this games content is the way it is

[echo karma]

Wait is gummy ice cream just frozen gummy?

[solar slate]

Idk man you jumped in here ready to read and argue poorly

It's low even for chum standards

[echo karma]

Well you see there chum. It's either management or lack there of. The Interns can't run the company and do it all.

[thin lotus]

I thought we were saying the same thing tbh

[echo karma]

We know there fine with hiring 3rd party contractors for the worst trailer in pc game show history

[thin lotus]

The QA vids they did not too long ago didn’t give me any impression these dudes care or are capable.

[echo karma]

Them directors literally said idk for 30mins

[thin lotus]

Very lax and fumbling around things to even talk about

[echo karma]

Sounds like management to me

[solar slate]

If you care you know when what you've produced is not good enough

When you care you test everything you change to make sure it's good

Caring is the first step

[echo karma]

They shipped the British in a knowingly broken state. Then spent several updates fixing them. They knew it wasn't ready but shipped it anyways

At the same time of firing wombat and 80% of QA

[solar slate]

And yes I said before they don't care in addition to likely having a poor management structure where fixing minor issues is no one's job and there's no quality control to catch the shortfalls of limited agency

[echo karma]

Clearly they can't manage a worms game as to not add NFTs into the game, so how can they manage a semi aaa fps shooter of which at the time t17 had no fps multi-player shooters on there roster

They buy small indy games. Milk them dry in mtx and run them into the ground. Have been doing this same thing since the 90s

[thin lotus]

The game goes on sale every other week

[echo karma]

Guess how much money they spent on golf with friends?

[solar slate]

I doubt the running to the ground bit is on purpose tho, just profit maximization by aggressive staff downscaling tends to do that

[slate canopy]

ALRIGHT.

We can stop with the doom talk.

Gettin' real old.

[echo karma]

Doom is so 1995 bro

[solar slate]

Just regular criticism of poor corporate practices mr mod

[slate canopy]

"Open speculation is welcomed, however, excessive and non-constructive doomsaying will be removed." Please just move on.

[echo karma]

But is doom reality? As of now I'd say yes cuz I can't play game

[slate canopy]

It's really boring hearing the exact same thing over and over back and forth.

[echo karma]

Change pfp to doomslayer

[solar slate]

I'm just speculating on T17 practices that brought about current quality control issues 🤷‍♂️

[echo karma]

There's nothing else to even say. Chum is right. Tell em to hurry up so we can play game

[slate canopy]

Hotfix monday.

[echo karma]

That's what they said last Monday lmao I'll be back when Ben shows up

[solar slate]

Let us not talk about game on game discord lest we have something jubilous or meaningless to decree

[echo karma]

How they make gummy ice cream tho?

[solar slate]

We may negatively affect company optics and that is a punishable offense

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/xafer-catmeme-meme-cat-soldiarcat-gif-4196924155144969562

[echo karma]

Ah yes nobody can answer my question huh

[slate canopy]

I don't know what that means?

[thin lotus]

It’s a euphemism

[echo karma]

I got them trolli gummy pops but the whole popsicle is a gummy

[azure heath]

If a girl keeps calling you drunk asking you to come over do you come over?

This is on-topic

[slate canopy]

I'd say no, but this isn't HLL related.

[azure heath]

That’s what I told my friend.. and he ain’t listening

[echo karma]

Hmm? Are you drunk?

[solar slate]

I get drunk first so neither of us can consent

[echo karma]

Technically imo you cannot consent drunk so no? UK laws strict af so idk

[azure heath]

If both drunk?

[echo karma]

Yes

If sober you know it's wrong so

[azure heath]

Intriguing. Where’s the advice channel?

[echo karma]

Mod mail

[azure heath]

Smart play

[solar slate]

Mods make a sex law advice channel stat

This man's friend needs help

[molten sail]

🥱

[echo karma]

Gummy ice cream tho. That sht banging

[azure heath]

Alright. Let’s get back to it. How’s the patch?

[solar slate]

The patch is wondrous I'm loving the effort & buying every DLC to showcase but a tiny glimpse of the overwhelming community gratitude

[echo karma]

The only issue with slamming these gummy Popsicles is its gummy so kinda messes up ya stomach. And I had chicken n shrimp fajitas from a local Mexican restaurant so its like taco bell 2.0 soon.tm

[solar slate]

It's that artificial gummy preservative man

[wind shore]

Great! I agree! They giving a lot of time / effort and love to the game!

[echo karma]

Like cherry lemon gummy Popsicles. Idk who made this idea up

[slate canopy]

Muph, take it to #off-topic-mess-hall please.

[molten sail]

i mean at least they know the game play loop is faulty; may as well change random values in hopes of striking gold

[past vortex]

those are just the kind of flavouring esters that are cheap to make

[echo karma]

Sad was this discord has become. Worst than the reddit bruh

So when patch? That's the only topic here huh

[molten sail]

it is hell let loose no fun ALLOWED.

[past vortex]

naw we also have pacific and horses

[molten sail]

and more dead cows on utah

[solar slate]

Yea tbh I appreciate them trying, too bad they can't quite pull it off

We might get there in a year or two hopefully the game remains playable on the interim

[acoustic ingot]

horses

[solar slate]

Horses would be sick ngl

[past vortex]

it would go so well with the cossak dlc

[echo karma]

Funny there's no pinned mess hall rhetoric in here

[solar slate]

Add horses i can buy a skin for and tinker on the battlefield

[acoustic ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/outstanding-horse-jump-rope-gif-11261363

[echo karma]

Isint a mess hall where you just eat food and talk sht?

[solar slate]

Increase horse hearing so it neighs when there is an enemy near

[past vortex]

naw its a hall where everyone makes a mess

[echo karma]

Horses were in ww2 tho

[solar slate]

Soft hand discord mods never been in the real Marines...

[echo karma]

Bet a horse be slower than p4 somehow

[solar slate]

Having horse wagons instead of trucks would be more accurate for the germans

[wind shore]

Monday

[echo karma]

And less tanks and more 88mil everywhere cuz German was on defense

And scattered in africa

[solar slate]

Horse drawn 88 mil cannons :pog

Kursk kino

[echo karma]

Now that I can get behind. 88 on a horse? Sign me up

[candid mason]

My microphone now does not work, gone throught all the settings and when I do a check during a game . no sound

[slate canopy]

Do you have more than one input and output

[candid mason]

no same headset and mic

[slate canopy]

But anything else enbled?

[candid mason]

no, my microphone works in windows 11 but not in the HLL game

[slate canopy]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1271765113040408606 See if anything here helps

[empty steppe]

Nope

[pliant roost]

Turn controller off, turn controller on, audio > disconnect, audio > reconnect

If that doesnt work your team aint talking

[empty steppe]

But it’s like… depressing now

[pliant roost]

[pliant roost]

O u r pc guy

[tropic oar]

the game is in unplayable state, you just swaped the 15 min Fatal error with 2-4minute shutdown without msg or with connection lost. Great work. Game is totally unplayable. Choke on that 20e.

https://tenor.com/view/the-sopranos-tony-soprano-nothing-chin-flick-gif-22794125

[nova oracle]

Sometimes you can’t help having a bad team.

[sturdy quarry]

just tipped to mixed on steam, maybe they will test stuff next time...

[meager timber]

yeah yeah, game sucks

[haughty geode]

It wont be better

[acoustic bloom]

Game crashed again

[silver vale]

anyone else getting "Fatal Error!" mid game?

[frosty hinge]

I just threw an granade (german team) and it didnt blow up is this an actual feature or a glitch?

[wind shore]

yep

[analog apex]

Yo guys, how's the server side fix? I haven't been at home at my PC since Thursday so haven't been able to try out myself yet. Were the "connection lost to host" problems fixed?

[eager orbit]

SSD M.2, all done, everything is up-to-date[drivers, win11 25H2], Cache cleared, file verified, router rebooted, ipconfig /release/flushdns/renew
after 40 minutes -> Lost Connection

If there is anything on your mind what should I try, let me know. Otherwise, there is nothing more what I can do on my end.

[worthy charm]

Its a very mixed situation....

:}

[meager timber]

Trust me, it's not on your end :D

[eager orbit]

I am well aware of it 🥩

[meager timber]

Yesterday I had 2 DCs and 1 whole server crash so no

[analog apex]

Oh, I see... so I assume the answer to my question is a big fat no... 🥶 🥶

[cyan saddle]

The server side fix appears to have resolved the most common server crash but did not (yet) address mass DC issues among others

[worthy charm]

I would assume the DCs are not caused serverside and therefore will (hopfefully) be fixed with the warmfix on monday.

Who knows tho...

[cyan saddle]

My method for crashing the server is no longer working at least 😄

[worthy charm]

-# I definitly dont...

[cyan saddle]

From what I understood they're still trying to get to the bottom of the mass DC issues

[worthy charm]

Possibly...

[grizzled kiln]

Not playing the game will fix 100% of crashes 🧠

[analog apex]

At least something then. 👍

[worthy charm]

Playing Lol will also fix 100% of my crashes but cause severe mental damage.

I should stick to HLL shouldnt I?

[analog apex]

What's "Lol"?

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/ding-ding-ding-alistar-league-of-legends-cow-bell-gif-13335517

Tonk tonk tonk tonk tonk

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-sometimes-my-genius-almost-frightening-driving-car-ride-gif-16463163

[analog apex]

Huh? 🤔

Well, whatever. 😏

[worthy charm]

Oh come on as if you never played league

[wind shore]

Horse of tha day, the question number 1 , add horses

[analog apex]

Nope. No idea what's about.

[novel geyser]

🛸 fyooom

[worthy charm]

THats impressive

game is like 15 years old

[analog apex]

Ah League of Legends, I see... but still, I never looked at it.

[cyan saddle]

Anything over League

[worthy charm]

Youre to late

Im already in ranked

[finite berry]

This man gets it

[orchid tinsel]

once again fatal error ... I'm getting really tired of this!

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-x-family-anya-anya-forger-anya-forger-anime-anya-disgusted-gif-26846448

[cyan saddle]

Alt F4 while you still can

[finite berry]

POV: you've started LoL

[cyan saddle]

It's never too late to Alt F4 league

[finite berry]

And uninstall postehaste

[analog apex]

HLL is the game of my life... I doubt I will play any other future game for longer than I have HLL... 7 years so far.

[orchid tinsel]

and the latest update has screwed it up

[analog apex]

Heeh, maybe. We'll see...

[finite berry]

Steiner's hotfix will fix it

[analog apex]

Mein fuhrer... Steiner...

🥶

[haughty geode]

https://tenor.com/view/downfall-steiner-mein-fuhrer-steiner-gif-24733130

[finite berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/584475715836051456/881976453909065788/LFBL9J.gif

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/bingo-tarantino-thats-a-bingo-gif-16052246

[bold gale]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-soprano-ducks-pool-happy-excited-gif-7162403122042850822

[cosmic pilot]

People talking about not hll in mess hall.

Kill them.

[haughty geode]

It is talking about HLL here

[worthy charm]

The thing is people say that for every update after 8 or so...

Also would the game actually die maybe they would consider a UE5 upgrade

[novel geyser]

UE5 upgrade to kill it even more

[broken shoal]

Arc raiders made me realize ue5 is not bad. Is the devs that are lazy af

[worthy charm]

I will wait until HLLV to judge that

You sir rather your get your new haircut

[novel geyser]

I did get a haircut actually

[delicate mortar]

Have you seen the recent AAA games released on UE5

It's a massive mess, overusage of nanite, TAA, bad shadow maps, and an overall shitstorm that runs poorly on even decent rigs

[fringe hollow]

Recent AAA games have been generally bad recently imo

[delicate mortar]

People wanting HLL to be ported to UE5 don't know anything about the engine itself. While it's manageable to make a game using this engine from a financial pespective because it's "quick and easy" compared to building an engine from the ground up.
It's still a massive challange to optimize it because UE5 is, simply put, not well made.

If you think HLL on UE4 runs badly. You are up for a lot of trouble on UE5...

[obtuse dragon]

They Should lowkey use UE3 🔥

[delicate mortar]

It takes a dedicated team, a million dollar budget, and 3+ years to make a working but unoptimized game on this engine

Look at Silent Hill 2 Remake, MGS3Delta, Monster Hunter Wilds, Alan Wake 2

Every single one of these HIGH budget games runs like crap

[obtuse dragon]

Kinda? I mean, a Lot of the assets are already done on HLL

Porting the already done work and modifying it shouldn't take a Lot of time, and there's always a time on which the devs don't tell us about the new game, so we have no idea when the developing started

[cerulean iris]

scroll up

dude even replied to one jfc

[delicate mortar]

The issue isn't porting as I already said, it's the optimisation that will be IMPOSSIBLE with the current team working on HLL. See how long it takes them to fix game breaking bugs ?

Will you want to play a buggy mess running at 40fps on a $1500 computer ? I don't think so, and even if you do. Most people don't have that kind of money.

[obtuse dragon]

Tbh yeah, I agree that they won't find a way to optimize the game

[delicate mortar]

What I'm fearing is that HLL Vietnam will run so poorly on UE5 that the pool of player will be reduced to a few thousand world wide at best, making servers empty and most importantly for T17, the game not profitable.

Because when it comes to Vietnam and its jungle, it's not empty fields like in Kursk. It's dense forest with a lot of assets rendered all around and above you, galleries of tunnels bellow you. Even in the hypothesis of HLL vietnam running on UE4, you will see performance way lower than what we currently have on Mortain, which is one of the most taxing map because of the amount of foliage

Now extrapolate this to UE5 and you will see single digit performance on popular cards like the RTX 3060 which is the most popular card currently and absolutely the market T17 needs to aim for if they want people to be able to play their games.

[analog apex]

I believe the tunnels won't be physical - just some kind of teleport/spawn system for the Vietnamese.

[finite berry]

That's also something that I'm fearing that could happen.

[delicate mortar]

To me it's seems more and more likely as time passes.

[finite berry]

Same

[nova oracle]

We should be able to play instruments like Holdfast

Imagine a German flute player on horse back, following the commander around

Commander can drop two 50 supplies from the horse pouches 😂

Instead of fuel, instead it costs horsepower which is like 5 manpower or something

[nova oracle]

Vietnam should be a mode inside of hell Let loose so that it doesn’t split the player-base

“We’re not gonna split the player-base” well that naturally happens when you make a spin off of a mainline game

[little otter]

It's a 5 year old game. Out with the old, in with the new.

[obtuse dragon]

OH HELL NAH

[analog apex]

Wouldn't make sense... HLL is WWII. If anything, the WWII Pacific at most.

[nova oracle]

They could change the eras

A mode selector

[obtuse dragon]

I AIN'T INSTALLING A 50 GB UPDATE DAWG 😭😭😭

[nova oracle]

Don’t give me that, Fortnite and sea of thieves are both 2018 games and they are going strong

[nova oracle]

Yet you’ll install a 70gb game???

[obtuse dragon]

Holdfast tried to do the same with ww1

[nova oracle]

Where’s the Logic

[obtuse dragon]

Yeah because i can uninstall the game and make space for the other

[nova oracle]

It’s 2025 fella, extra storage

[obtuse dragon]

If the game starts using 100 GB I can't install the other, I'm forced to have that game there

[obtuse dragon]

So you're telling me "fella Just spend More money"

[nova oracle]

Well you’re buying a game for 60 anyway

[little otter]

@nova oracle They are building a new game, don't know why you are against that. Should no new games come out or something?

[bold gale]

https://tenor.com/view/waterloo-1970-napoleonic-wars-stop-that-useless-noise-napoleon-gif-4002454145134678894

[obtuse dragon]

And, holdfast tried to do the same

[nova oracle]

This game went to the dogs, the moment they put it on gamespass, forget the updates and bugs.

[obtuse dragon]

And now the game has italian soldiers in ww1 saying "viva Napoleón" 😭

[obtuse dragon]

It... It already was...

[nova oracle]

The hardcore veteran players slowly left and were replaced by juiced up monster energy fuelled kids who have the shakes

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[nova oracle]

“We never did get used to the new guys ”

• 501ST clone journal

[bold gale]

I think that HLL can't hold them for too long

[nova oracle]

True, no flashy skins

[waxen quail]

this is acc just a ridiculous statement

[obtuse dragon]

I lowkey prefer a new game rather than an update for the OG game

[nova oracle]

Well there is the polka dot

[bold gale]

And dynamic of gameplay is too slow/tactical and without instant action and ABSOLUTE CINEMA moments

[obtuse dragon]

This already happened with games like tannenberg and isonzo, on which people said "But why don't you just update verdun instead of making a new game"

[nova oracle]

Are you sure? I’ve been in some very aggressive and moments I’d call absolute cinema

[obtuse dragon]

Tbh it depends on how you play

[bold gale]

Yes, but they are not instant and not like COD or BF moments

[obtuse dragon]

If you play as if you were Desmond doss you'll have a sht ton of fun and movie like situations

[waxen quail]

the problem was that each game had its own mechanics and flow, they share a theme and a developer but they’re different games. same for hell let loose vietnam id imagine, shares a namesake but will be a fundamentally different game

[obtuse dragon]

Because, not using your guns Is lowkey peak

[obtuse dragon]

Yeah, while it Will have the base gameplay, it's literally a different game

[bold gale]

)

[obtuse dragon]

And like i said, I Don't want to have a 120 GB game, I want to be able to uninstall the last game and install the other one

[bold gale]

And separated games can allow developers to create two different systems and more "specific" features for each game

Я аутист

[broken shoal]

Vietnam is not a setting people were asking. If it was called HLL Pacific would have been a total different feeling

[obtuse dragon]

oh and being restricted to an engine has a ton of flaws when trying to add new content

[bold gale]

https://tenor.com/view/unreal-engine-ue5-cpu-caption-optimizing-shaders-gif-8837205051055046969

[obtuse dragon]

imagine if rising storm 2 was on the same engine as red orchestra

[obtuse dragon]

Unreal engine lovers when their game crashes again:

https://tenor.com/view/squid-games-2-001-456-celebrating-celebration-gif-1434532764337256805

[bold gale]

https://tenor.com/view/napoleon-bonaparte-waterloo-cheer-gif-25480127

Wish HLL on unity some day...

[obtuse dragon]

I Just hope

That one day we'll get "hell let loose great war"

[ashen basin]

I Just hope
That one day we'll get "hell let loose" updates that werk 😬

[obtuse dragon]

With maps like the british ones we (Kinda) know how long range bolt action only gameplay would be in a game like that

[main harness]

Just an update, I am now having worse server related crash(lost connection to host) issues than before the "hotfix"

[keen yoke]

In the above guys defense most of the original HLL vets that used to be here, really loving it have since gone

I rarely see many of the guys I used to talk to or see daily here anymore.

[analog apex]

Some still here 😏

[keen yoke]

Was gonna say Sam is probably one of like the 5 or so thats left that I remember

I see Hyrum occasionally

[analog apex]

Yeah, Chum as well

[keen yoke]

Hes still kicking here? Haven't seen him

[obtuse dragon]

You end up getting Burnt out of the game

[keen yoke]

Yeah with no singleplayer, mod support or anything like that theres just a hard line

[obtuse dragon]

As many updates it gets, it still Is hell let loose

[keen yoke]

Granted I dumped about 1000 hours in. Wish this game would get mod support. I'd drop whatever I was doing and start relearning UE5 just to mod it.

I felt like it was the spiritual successor to Day of Infamy, which I adored

But modding support and some Co-op modes would be the only thing that would extend this games shelf life to the 10+ year mark

Thats pretty much what all other games have to do

[obtuse dragon]

I wish it was focused on more factions instead of mainly on the US

[keen yoke]

It would be cool to have a lot more variety

If there was mod support I'd work on the Red Chinese Vs the Kuomtang in Southern China in 1946-7

Plus some Japan v Kuomtang. I have always wanted to see that in a game

[obtuse dragon]

And getting more weapons for certain maps

[keen yoke]

Day of Infamy does all of this really well but it was limited by the source engine

then got abandoned :/

[obtuse dragon]

Like, changing the STG for an MKB, panzerchreck for the panzerfaust, etc

[keen yoke]

Panzerfaust should be in the game already not sure why it isnt

[obtuse dragon]

Just like RS 😔

[obtuse dragon]

I'm pretty sure the game was supposed to be based mainly on the 44

[keen yoke]

Yeah many a year ago it was 44 US v Germany

With some in 45

[obtuse dragon]

That's why there's more US and german combat instead of Italy or other countries

[keen yoke]

Theres just really no games that do 50v50 good

I really dont ever want HLL to go away. Even going to BF6 now adays the battle sizes feel small

I liked where this game was going with Skirmish maps, smaller bite sized rounds and such

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-tearing-tearing-up-guy-meme-gif-18376284545860618849

That’s my bubbles

[obtuse dragon]

Skirmish Is lowkey fun

[worthy charm]

Drew has favourites I knew it.

[keen yoke]

I love Skirmish

[obtuse dragon]

Small map, quick combat, etc

I have no idea why people Don't like the gamemode

[keen yoke]

I remember before Drew was a mod. He never switched up on us day 1s. Mad respect for it.

[azure ether]

Horse

[keen yoke]

@gentle lintel Do they allow lobbying for mod support yet?

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-22669238

[keen yoke]

Imagine how much we could doooo

[worthy charm]

Pacific?

Horses?

Planes?

Mortars?

B O A T S?

[keen yoke]

It would be so amazing

I hit my part limit in NMS

[obtuse dragon]

WHERE IS FINLAND

[worthy charm]

Thats overrated

[keen yoke]

Modding support would fix all of this

[worthy charm]

also poland is meh

[keen yoke]

I love Poland stop that slander

[obtuse dragon]

We technically have the polish already... As a DLC...

[worthy charm]

There is a reason they didnt go into these factions further.

[keen yoke]

We need some Polish resistance for 1945, Finland, China Vs Red China, etc. I just need to see it

[worthy charm]

Its not really worth the dev time doing a 5th faction for it to have 2 maps for 2 years and nobody playing it.

[obtuse dragon]

We need the objectives gamemode 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[keen yoke]

I would like that yeah

[obtuse dragon]

Literally the allies

They only have 1 map

[keen yoke]

modding support nullifies all of these issues😎

[obtuse dragon]

They're basically a reskin of the 8th army

[worthy charm]

Objective gamemode with actual setting?

[keen yoke]

I do like the idea of an Objective Gamemode

[worthy charm]

If they just add it for 6 maps and its always the same then maybe just dont....

[obtuse dragon]

We need the grain elevator, we need the british paratroopers 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[keen yoke]

that was something promised like 4+ years ago

There is grain elevator is there not?

[worthy charm]

4 years

[obtuse dragon]

This year they showed it and it was kinda finished

[worthy charm]

BM promises are special

[obtuse dragon]

They probably placed it in the back of the line of "yeah Pal we'll add this"

[worthy charm]

And I use the word promises very lightly.

[keen yoke]

Yeah fair.

[little otter]

Objective would be fun. Like MOHAA.

[obtuse dragon]

Nope

[bold gale]

Only Stalingrad...

[nova pivot]

China won't let you add china unless they are represented as the saviours of the world

[worthy charm]

I mean what engine should they choose instead? Why do a new game and then use the same engine? Even if they dont use UE5 what would be better, Unity or making one for themselves? 😅
It seems a lot of work instead of just taking the next generation they already worked with.

[obtuse dragon]

Yeah... It would lowkey harm the player count, not even kidding

[worthy charm]

China vs China
spoilers china always wins

[keen yoke]

If its modding I dont really care what China prefers lol

[past vortex]

game engine market isnt what it was anymore

[nova pivot]

That implies china losing

[keen yoke]

No game really shows a good rep of the Chinese civil war during this period

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/nalog-gif-25906765

[past vortex]

in theory there are more but almost no one uses those

[keen yoke]

and its such a fascinating conflict period

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-anime-omg-wtf-cant-unsee-gif-5159766

It will never recover

[obtuse dragon]

Mostly because if you do China could get mad, ban the game and there goes the chinese player base

Tho, something I would like to see Is chinese soldiers as a DLC to come with smolensk

[past vortex]

the average chinese isnt allowed to play intl games anyway

so idk why this is such a problem

[keen yoke]

The servers are pretty much universally seperated

[bold gale]

Why? What interesting that period have? It's seams like mostly german equipped gray soldiers shooting at mostly Soviet equipped khaki soldiers, isn't it?

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/ccp-cheering-cheer-china-gif-4951966975695656474

[obtuse dragon]

Kinda? They have limitations, and that's why most of the times when you see a chinese player he's cracked at a game, because it's basically the only one he can play 😭

[keen yoke]

Nah its battles in extremely unique settings, massive river valleys, dense villages intermixed within very large mountainous regions, with two factions utilizing a really unique weapon layout for both. Red China would get a variety of weapons both taken from the Japanese, given from Soviets, plus some unique weapons vs the Kuomtang utilizing a variety of German, US, British, and in-house weapons

[bold gale]

https://tenor.com/view/selfie-tiktok-singing-chinese-man-snowing-gif-17264113

[keen yoke]

It really is a theater of combat thats super interesting that really just never gets attention

[bold gale]

This Gif runs on UE5

[nova pivot]

Someone could even do a whole game only about that

[obtuse dragon]

It's still ww2

[keen yoke]

Whos "they"

[nova pivot]

It's not as attractive for the generally uncultured average gamer

[keen yoke]

Battlefield 1 had super niche combat areas and people loved that?

[nova pivot]

Let me rephrase

[obtuse dragon]

And it could help players to get educated about the events

[keen yoke]

People don't care about niche they just care if its fun. A WW2 game can include as much of WW2 as it would like. This is also in the vein of being pro mod support just fyi

[nova pivot]

.

[obtuse dragon]

Tbh bf1 felt More like a weird ww1+ww2 game

[nova pivot]

it's my favourite bf

Best immersion I ever have got playing a videogame

[obtuse dragon]

I Kinda hate it by how people say "yo the best representation of ww1"

[keen yoke]

it was more a counter to the 'people only like what they expect' kind of thing.

[obtuse dragon]

When There are games like isonzo or Verdun

[nova pivot]

Isonzo is amazing

[bold gale]

Mod support will be great, not because CHINA theatre, but because someone can make early war overhauls, or Italy, or Pacific and etc...

[obtuse dragon]

and they also disrespected a sacred place on Italy so, there's that 😭

[keen yoke]

Literally nobody plays those games. I have many hours on them and they have less than like 300 people playing these days

They never should have released 3 seperate games for WW1 by the same dev.

[obtuse dragon]

LIKE HOW DO YOU EVEN GET CONFUSED WITH MONTE GRAPPA DUDE 😭😭😭

[nova pivot]

Because they are not attractive for the generally uncultured average gamer

[keen yoke]

No... its because they split their playerbase in 3 seperate games

[nova pivot]

A 400 player base?

[keen yoke]

I played Verdun when there was only Verdun, I never had issues finding matches

[obtuse dragon]

That's because everyone talks about Battlefield and their "realism"

[obtuse dragon]

Hell nah, they're pretty united

[keen yoke]

It was just an experience

You cannot join a server on Tannenburg from Verduns game launcher?

[nova pivot]

I think that the player base is small because people are not interested in these topics

Not because the games are separated

[obtuse dragon]

Because it's basically a different game from the same engine, different mechanics and gameplay due to the map being more open

If isonzo was on verdun it wouldn't be as fun

[keen yoke]

So then just overhaul the core game and update it from there. Theres a huge amount of history to show that just releasing a new game to solve an old games issue in the massive multiplayer setting is a death sentence

[obtuse dragon]

and because everyone talks about certain game which leaves the WW1s in a niche corner

"yo Battlefield Is so realistic"

Tannenberg's rotting corpse:

[keen yoke]

Past is the past I suppose but I feel like nobody learns from it in the game-dev industry these days.

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/im-dead-dead-bruh-skeleton-dead-bruh-skeleton-dead-im-dead-bruh-gif-26854866

[keen yoke]

I think the problem is that theres really only a small amount of people that play games because they're realistic.

Arma fills the mil-sim niche so acutely that its essentially a non-competitive scene for massively multiplayer war sims, and its modding support essentially kills any ability to counter it well.

[obtuse dragon]

The marker Is used to fast paced gameplay with games like call of duty and Battlefield

[keen yoke]

A game has to really nail its niche hard and be accessible to compete.

Plenty of people play foxhole and thats not face paced?

[obtuse dragon]

Which is even worse with those ADHD shooters that place 8 babillion effects on your face

[keen yoke]

People are drawn to fun games

[obtuse dragon]

Because it isn't a shooter

[keen yoke]

Realistic for the sake of realism isn't fun.

[obtuse dragon]

Wrong message, still works

[keen yoke]

Realism when used to balance and properly elaborate on risk v reward, is.

[obtuse dragon]

Realism can be fun and it Is really fun

[keen yoke]

Realism on its own is not fun

[obtuse dragon]

When it isn't Well implemented it isn't fun

[keen yoke]

correct, focus on what 'Well Implemented' translates in to for your majority playerbase

[obtuse dragon]

That's the reason why i don't play arma 3, it feels like a chore to even think about aiming my gun

[keen yoke]

If a game is realistic (Assuming when we're taling realism we're talking time to kill, run speed, weight limitations, etc) then you have to expect 3 things

Either A, the time in which rounds occur is short so that peoples deaths are meaningful, but you don't get bored too quickly

B, the punishment for death is null, and the time to return is short (HLL is a good example)

[worthy charm]

@keen yoke Btw they nerfed the commander arty quite heavely.

[keen yoke]

or C, the realism is directly the focus, and death/damage is incredibly important to success or failure (This is the Arma niche for most ops)

[worthy charm]

or rather they will nerf it

[keen yoke]

Makes sense, but I still like it

[obtuse dragon]

Or both, like how rising storm 2 and red orchestra uses realism

[worthy charm]

It does, tho the price increase is imo a bit to much

[keen yoke]

RS and RO are just B

[worthy charm]

Paying over 10 ammo for one shell is crazy

[keen yoke]

There really isn't death punishment in those games inherently

[obtuse dragon]

Well yeah, unless you're on the pain elevator

[nova oracle]

The only death punishment is bad OP and garrison placement

[keen yoke]

I mean, the 'Punishment' is losing

[obtuse dragon]

Atleast rising storm has the punishment of you running out of tickets

[keen yoke]

everything else is just a gameplay element

[nova oracle]

“Until death, all defeat is psychological”

[obtuse dragon]

Which can lead to a premature loss due to not Being careful

[keen yoke]

I've never been a big fan of ticket based counters for games that use realism as a gameplay element

it's sort of an artificial limitation to your pacing.

[nova oracle]

It’ll be cool if we actually get castle itter in hell let loose, I think the developers won’t do actual SS divisions

[obtuse dragon]

I always took it as a "yeah we lost too many guys Lets gtfo of here"

[keen yoke]

Whether realistic or arcadey, people pretty universally love high paced combat

[nova oracle]

I don’t see why they can’t do deaths-head since it’s a skull and not a swasti

[obtuse dragon]

Maybe for objectives gamemode

[keen yoke]

it makes sense for like Arma, but not really in these kinds of games where they are objective and timed

the 'tactical retreat' option just means losing and going to a new map

[obtuse dragon]

Well, yeah, But I think RO2 explains it as the reinforcements coming and making the attackers bite the curb on the soviet voicelines

[keen yoke]

people die, so they depend on the garrison and spawn placement, which in turn are dependent on the decision making of the game leadership, which at its core is the HLL gameplay loop

[nova oracle]

The SS had more iconography than the swasti and also Germany legalised the in-game depictions of nazis in 2018

[keen yoke]

RO2 also has a slightly different spawn to end combat loop, and the maps are a bit smaller and more linear

Which is something they have to do because of the limitations imposed by realistic death / damage models

[nova oracle]

Also half of hell let loose clans look like SS Divisions with their skulls and helmets

[keen yoke]

It's why games like Post Scriptum feel so lifeless when played along side hLL

Or did, not sure how it plays anymore

[obtuse dragon]

Yeah, mostly because the game Is focused on small combats unlike HLL which Is based on the entire thing

[nova oracle]

The problem with censorship is Australia

They are the crucifix of censorship in video games

[obtuse dragon]

I think that's why you hear distant gunshots and arty shells, your team is just pushing from a different position while the main frontline Is on another place

[keen yoke]

People dont want ambience to trick them in to thinking the combat is bigger than it is though typically

[nova oracle]

You can blow a man in half with a trench shotgun, kill 20 dudes with a satchel but an insignia on a uniform is a step too far

[obtuse dragon]

Obviusly

[obtuse dragon]

But it's neat how they explain the low player count and map size

[nova oracle]

50v50 is hell let looses current player count anyway?

[keen yoke]

50v50 is huge too. Such a good template

[obtuse dragon]

Welcome to the modern world! Executing a guy with a shotgun? Allowed, insignia historically used by real people? Fck no, congress, ban that game.

[keen yoke]

I will never stop asking for mod support because god I need some 50v50 on some of my ideas

[nova oracle]

People want 75v75 like holdfast, have you ever heard 74 people talking at once?

[keen yoke]

Havent played 75v75

[nova oracle]

Berlin should be 75v75

[obtuse dragon]

Wonder How mod support will work in platforms like epic

[keen yoke]

It wouldnt

[nova oracle]

I’d kill for a reichstag map

[obtuse dragon]

Tbf most of the times servers have 101 guys

I haven't seen a single server full

[nova oracle]

The team swappers

[nova pivot]

That is wild tbh

[keen yoke]

You can buy World at War for an Xbox 360 just as much as you would a steam copy. One has workshop the other doesn't.

[nova pivot]

Very hypocritical

[nova oracle]

Have you seen some hell let loose clans?

[obtuse dragon]

Damn 😔

[nova oracle]

They look the part

[nova pivot]

Yes, that's why I say it's wild

[nova oracle]

If they look like SS, smell like the SS, sound like the SS, they’re probably the SS

[keen yoke]

It's a WW2 game it pretty much is guaranteed that those pople always seep in

[nova pivot]

Or people with SS directly in their name

[nova oracle]

I feel like war daddy when he hears the SS kids marching towards him

[obtuse dragon]

"nope, they're the evil panzergrenadiers"

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[nova oracle]

I feel sorry for German hot mic’rs they just sound like they’re committing war crimes

I’ve met a few Chinese clans on here

[nova pivot]

I love playing with Germans, especially when they switch to German language after getting killed by a camper

[nova oracle]

Easy red II did China, don’t see why hell let loose couldnt

[nova oracle]

Playing with the Germans as the Germans is the best experience

I once played with a Bavarian, an Austrian, a Dutch and two other Germans It was a great experience

One Hungarian sorry and another German

It was interesting hearing the accents, despite them all speaking the same language, you could tell

Like Texas or New York

Are you a west coaster?

If you were based it would be north Vs south instead of east Vs west coast

New York was nearly taken by the red coats and was taken by the confederacy

We need war of rights on console

[obtuse dragon]

guys if i speak spanish in stalingrad does it count as irl accurate 🤓

[nova oracle]

😂

[nova oracle]

There were some Spanish who fought for the central powers

“Allies, axis” is another myth

You had the League of Nations and then you had the central powers

[obtuse dragon]

Evil ahh team vs evil ahh team

[nova oracle]

Oh gosh

Neither side were much better than the other

Though that’s war for you

[obtuse dragon]

it was literally just people killing each other, some were actually evil asf, some were forced, some were neither

[nova oracle]

True

Made for great games and films though

Can’t lie about that

[meager timber]

any update on horse?

[unborn dune]

anyone else blink and breath manually?

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-you-have-alerted-the-horse-alert-alert-horse-horse-alert-gif-10675569724654458517

[azure ether]

Horse

[azure ether]

Horse

[nova oracle]

Satchel and horse Vs tank

Imagine

[finite berry]

Satcheled horse

[abstract lichen]

why is it that i keep getting 'disconnected from the host'

[nova oracle]

Smack it’s bum and send it straight at the panther

[finite berry]

Update 18 moment

[abstract lichen]

ye

happened 3 times today

[nova oracle]

Tbf the Soviets used to put tank mines on dogs and send them at the German tanks

[abstract lichen]

also how to i chance my tag from Xbox to Steam?

[finite berry]

id:customize

[abstract lichen]

my experience today: spends 10 mins waiting in queue, disconnected, spends 15 mins waiting in queye, repeat

[nova oracle]

Whoop

[abstract lichen]

thnx

[nova oracle]

Steams the only platform I trust

[abstract lichen]

i would GLADLY give all my data to steam

they gave me this game for like 60% off

[nova oracle]

Microsoft has gone back to being micro$oft and Sony they need to give the Spider-Man license back to marvel

[obtuse dragon]

"yeah so we filled this horse with dynamite let's see what happens"

[abstract lichen]

ok, there was like 15 90+ players games an hour ago, and now only 5?

[nova oracle]

The story of how Sony came to acquire Spider-Man’s license as a character is insane

Marvel almost went bankrupt so they started selling their character licenses

Crazy how marvel has to ask Sony to use Spider-Man even though Stan Lee made him

Nintendo are also a funny bunch

[nova oracle]

Steams the reason we don’t have half life 3 though

[abstract lichen]

ehhh, it gave me a £100 for £40

[nova oracle]

I mean

[abstract lichen]

it gave my friend a £70 game for less than £1

[nova oracle]

When you put it that way

[cerulean iris]

5 different dcs across 4 different servers since the "server side fix", inb4 dcs are blamed on the players

[azure ether]

Horse

[gentle lintel]

You ruined the moment

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-reaction-animal-animals-horse-remembers-gif-4525840217462590348

[meager timber]

They should make an update that focuses only on the engine. I mean the fatal errors are so bad rn

[finite berry]

Problem is that devs can't just focus on one thing and ignore everything else. It would mean that some devs practically have nothing to do

[meager timber]

Well atleast prioritize it

[cyan saddle]

Like updating the engine? Or

[meager timber]

I'm not an engine dev so hard to say what is the problem

[obtuse dragon]

We don't have HL3 because they aren't that hungry for your money

[cyan saddle]

There's a bit of a paradox in software engineering where trying to extend spaghetti code is likely to cause problems in the new code, but when you try to replace the spaghetti code, you're still likely to introduce new problems.

[obtuse dragon]

tho they love to monetize with the CS cases

[obtuse dragon]

Literally the source code

"yeah so if you eat your Sandwich with the heavy and change to sniper the sniper will kill himself and crash your game"

[meager timber]

Yeah well the newest update is a nice example of what you're describing. Still that is probably the most important thing imo, stability that is. You can have a unbalanced and buggy game but if it runs well people tend to still play. Especially if it's a FPS where stability is extra important

[past vortex]

thats not a paradox, thats what your professor tells you in the first semester :}

[obtuse dragon]

Isn't that why day of defeat died

[meager timber]

there's still an underground competitive scene in the original day of defeat :D

[past vortex]

the thing is those errors all happened before the update
and they obviously couldnt figure it out all the time
so why would they be able to fix it now

[meager timber]

but i'd say both of them died because of developers abandoning the projects. i played dods mostly and it hasn't been updated in like 15 years or something

seems that they only do compatibility updates now

[obtuse dragon]

Ricochet's rotten corpse:

https://tenor.com/view/nermal-garfield-garfield-meme-nermal-dead-john-gif-18241118886265094705

[meager timber]

lol i remember playing ricochet back in the day when i bought a physical copy of cs 1.6 and it came bundled with it

[wet sun]

can anyone help, my game keeps crashing when i spawn in a match

[worthy charm]

Please ask again in #1271718922734796865

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/horses-running-run-horses-running-animals-gif-18288166

Add horses

Like RDR2

[fringe hollow]

Balls shrivel in the winter maps?

[nova oracle]

“Heavy Tank, losses to Recon Daniel-san”

-Mr Miyagi

“Float like a butterfly , sting like a bee”

[echo karma]

@swift nacelle great video man

[swift nacelle]

Thanks a lot!

[broken shoal]

friend satchel being detonated by a flamethrowrwer. feature or bug?

[past vortex]

i dont think anyone knows

[hushed wigeon]

awesome, after repeated connection issue, now I got " Error 30005: CreateService failed with 32"

[past vortex]

that seems to be a problm with your pc

[finite berry]

Yep, that 30005 error has to do with EAC if I'm not mistaken

[river rover]

That's a EAC error can't start

[finite berry]

Does HLL use EAC?

[river rover]

What you can try is this. Delete your EasyAntiCheat folder. Verify game files. Once verified. Go into the folder and Right Click on easyanticheat_EOS_setup.exe and run as Administrator. It will do nothing but then try game.

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-uma-musume-cinderella-gray-eat-eating-gif-6770234904401320070

Have they added the pacific yet?

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[past vortex]

after horses

[covert elbow]

Why

[past vortex]

horses are clearly the more pressing matter

[bold gale]

Add pacific + Minecraft build system

[finite berry]

Horsific

[orchid tinsel]

this is crazy every other game is crashing with fatal error since the latest update

[wind shore]

Yet people are still hopeful it’ll be fixed

[mellow gulch]

"authentication timed out" nice hot fix dumb nuts team 17

[wind shore]

When are you guys gonna go to a different game

[meager timber]

https://tenor.com/view/hands-together-ready-get-paid-hiphop-scheming-gif-5008312

[orchid tinsel]

And again - its pathetic

[wind shore]

I mean seriously it’s just let down after letdown with these guys wether they inherited the mess or not it been years certain issues still haven’t been addressed and then they go and add more to make it unplayable by most it’s a joke

[strange terrace]

Mess-hall got a new meaning😂😂

[floral parrot]

Will Vietnam release on Geforce now? 🙏 Anyone knows?

[urban shale]

HLLV is never gonna release if they can't even fix this game 🤣

[finite berry]

Why wouldn't they release it lol

As if HLLV is dependant on this game

[urban shale]

Who is gonna be stupid enough to buy it? They can't even keep a free game running properly

[finite berry]

Plenty of people

Look at how many people buy Fifa and CoD every year, and you have any doubts about plenty of people buying HLLV?

[urban shale]

HLL also dropped over 90% player count in a week due to a disastrous update that has yet to be fixed. If you actually played the game you'd understand people are tired of the same bs with a new "fix"

[slate canopy]

90%? Nah.

[urban shale]

HLLV is just gonna be a reskinned mess

I mean on a Friday night the player count across all platforms was barely 2k, peak player count is like 21k so yeah roughly 90%

[slate canopy]

Peak was literally because it was free for a week on Epic Games.

[urban shale]

Its free 24/7 on Xbox and still no one wants to play it right now

[finite berry]

You know that there is a difference between peak and average?

[slate canopy]

Yes, it's slightly down in average, but still almost 5k people just on Steam alone right now.

[finite berry]

I get that people (at least the bubble on this Discord) are tired of it. That doesn't mean barely anyone will buy HLLV, tho.

[obtuse dragon]

Yeah, go to red orchestra 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[slate canopy]

If it have gamepass*

so technically 'not free'.

[obtuse dragon]

Didn't they increase the price of the gamepass? 😭

[slate canopy]

Either they plan to, or have. I don't have XBOX or gamepass, so I have 0 clue for sure.

[urban shale]

Nah just added a new tier, you can still get HLL on the lower tier

[slate canopy]

Let's not advertise other games. 😉 Thanks.

[obtuse dragon]

Oh, damn, sorry

[slate canopy]

You're free to talk about it in #off-topic-mess-hall but try not to advertise other games.

[obtuse dragon]

Yeah i got it the first time

😔

[topaz cape]

https://tenor.com/view/blackink-crew-van-spit-water-gif-13499167

[slate canopy]

I'm personally interested in HLL:V since I really enjoy HLL WW2. Even though I had 2 crashes last night(one fatal error, one lost connection), still played and had fun.

[fallen ravine]

I think that clown guy can help you with that

[slate canopy]

Oh, 7-Clown? Great guy, but I think they were server related since many people dropped out. Thanks for the idea tho

[fallen ravine]

Better yet, just use his computer since he's never had an issue in his 7 years of playtime

[slate canopy]

Haha, I think this was the 3rd time, and I've played for 3, almost 4 years. I've had one other time previously, but it was quite a while ago

[hybrid sage]

surely after a new super cool update, the average would be higher

unless it wasnt super cool

[molten sail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1200288437731852459/1233032033719156736/attachment.gif

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[hybrid sage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1105022143307186247/1429237796589011097/attachment.gif

[stuck jackal]

Stupid fckn game keeps disconnecting. Just played for an hour and 20 minutes on Pathfinders and the entire server crashes

DEVS DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE DOING

[nova pivot]

Calm down soldier dog

[stuck jackal]

Spell check

[nova pivot]

We have a hot fix tomorrow

Not soon

Literally tomorrow

[cerulean iris]

Yeah we'll see how that hotfix works out for us

[stuck jackal]

The server owner hot fix already came out for crashing. Isn't working

[urban shale]

Hot mess not hot fix get it right 🤣

[nova pivot]

The server owner needs to update the server

Maybe he hasn't updated it

[stuck jackal]

Or the devs need to get their heads out of their asses hmm

I'm sure they're all nice people...but man they're going to kill this game

[nova pivot]

Yes we know, We've had this conversation 30 times in the last 2 weeks.

[worthy charm]

It depends on the Server owner updating and the server Provider...

[worthy charm]

More like 300

[nova pivot]

301 now

[cosmic pilot]

302

[worthy charm]

But again it also has something to do with your own PC...

[stuck jackal]

I mean...why not use public testing? Yeah we've had this conversation 303 times but...use the tools available to you to help build a playable game instead of making it more unplayable?

[stuck jackal]

wrong

[worthy charm]

I had no crashes and 2 disconnects.

Others had way more on the same server

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-raiden-senator-armstrong-source-gif-25038929

xD

As if I would care...

[nova pivot]

Well done willes, assert dominance

[worthy charm]

I needed to use this gif at least once.

[stuck jackal]

My game is disconnecting from servers...not crashing. Regardless...it is a lack of QA staff at T17 problem

1000+ hours in this game and I've never been frustrated with any updates or even the infamous trailer...until now

[worthy charm]

Didnt someone say the playercount dropped by 90% a few hours ago?
That was truely hilarious.

[slate canopy]

Because they compared to the peak in January when it was free for a week on Epic 😛

[worthy charm]

People love adding their playtime to their feedback as if it would matter at all.

Like you can have 50h in the game and still be mad about crashes.

[stuck jackal]

It does matter. It shows credibility

[covert elbow]

Gamer it’s Saturday. We got 2 days

[worthy charm]

Lol

[stuck jackal]

You're one of those devil's advocate people aren't you lol

[covert elbow]

No it doesn’t

I’m sick of hearing the people with 10000 hours defend horrible gameplay decisions and philosophy’s because their “good at the game”

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[worthy charm]

Why isnt this a horse girl gif?

[stuck jackal]

They're* would be the correct usage

[slate canopy]

Is it bad I was more bummed from my disconnects, not upset? 😆 I was having good games.

[languid zephyr]

Confirmed that the server hotfix was garbage and did nothing right? I feel like I disconnect even more now

[stuck jackal]

Philosophies*

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-ship-daiwa-scarlet-special-week-vodka-uma-musume-gif-11693792881395078105

[covert elbow]

It means you’ve become so normalized to it so sadly yes haha

If it was a really good game I’d be really mad, not “oh darn, another disconnect”

[slate canopy]

Last night was my first disconnects from these issues.

[worthy charm]

oh darn

As if somebody speaks like that.

[slate canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/eeyore-winnie-the-pooh-sad-emotional-frown-gif-409031226758215089

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-uma-musume-rice-shower-gif-158840410288343680

Me to you

Anyways

https://tenor.com/view/dizzy-guilty-gear-happy-gaming-cute-gif-17133244739521520273

When are we playing guilty gear strive

[worthy charm]

Let me Google thats first

Never

:}

[past vortex]

yea but that would be causual mad

[languid zephyr]

I disconnected 4 times in 4 ish hours last night. Glows Central had a diabolical disconnect that kicked everyone from the server but left all the spawn points

[nova pivot]

Gamer is Sunday

Check the time

It literally says Sunday

[slate canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-robinson-i-think-you-should-leave-you-sure-about-that-gif-22429959

[worthy charm]

Those americans

[nova pivot]

Yeah

They don't even know how to read a clock

[worthy charm]

They are always a bit behind

Im kidding

Please dont ban me

[nova pivot]

You forgot you are the mod?

[slate canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/how-many-times-do-we-have-to-teach-you-this-lesson-old-man-hi-there-young-people-spongebob-old-man-old-man-spongebob-gif-5749776374374436142

[worthy charm]

You know how tempting it is to try if I can ban myself.

[nova pivot]

Do it

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/matu-osana-najimi-najimi-kidnapped-anime-gif-26055871

To the glue factory with you

[worthy charm]

Rather I have to gamble if I gotta serve in the Military or not.

Kidding im to old actually

[past vortex]

wait... you didnt volunteer?

:O

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/hunger-games-katniss-everdeen-jennifer-lawrence-volunteer-tribute-gif-4277605

xD

[nova pivot]

Naah

You are never old for the military

You can drive a truck or something like that

[worthy charm]

Shhh, dont tell them

[nova pivot]

@opal pivotmacht

Fck have I pinned someone?

[worthy charm]

xD

Lmao

[nova pivot]

I'm sorry wer

[past vortex]

wer nennts sich wer

[worthy charm]

Er nennt sich wer

[past vortex]

wer

[empty steppe]

Lmao

[worthy charm]

Er

Der wer

[past vortex]

ach wer

[nova pivot]

Poor wer

Imagine getting pinned randomly at 2 am

[past vortex]

this is what happens when you misspell your wehraboo

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/смайл-gif-17285874193170818552

Anyway

Do the T17 @ works?

I'm tempted to test it

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/7eBwa1eE14.gif

[nova pivot]

No, you do it

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[wind shore]

So when Monday any news about pte announce

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-you-dare-dont-dont-do-it-the-office-michael-scott-gif-14178027

[wind shore]

Soo long, the October close to end, this weekend is end of October, so hope on this weekend, I’m possibly sure that it might be the next weekend cause it’s end of October

[slate canopy]

This weekend isn't the end of October. There is still a whole 5 days after that lol Halloween is on a friday

[fallen ravine]

which servers were you on

[slate canopy]

It's the 18th. You've got 13 more days

[worthy charm]

Like i can tell you, but you really want to play one a german server?

😅

[echo karma]

13

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/jason-voorhees-halloween-spooky-thriller-gif-85121799155879124

[wind shore]

Not this, next weekend it’s the last weekend in October

[wind shore]

Soo good! When Halloween? Next Friday?

[slate canopy]

the next-next Friday

[echo karma]

My fav episode

[wind shore]

Okay

[past vortex]

another fatal error

when horses

[past vortex]

best servers there are

[wind shore]

I think the horse would be the good idea

[echo karma]

Wild horses 88

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-running-gif-7569345600600323523

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-horse-you-have-alerted-the-horse-pretty-derby-uma-musume-gif-15063465391514740847

[somber ridge]

We're do I go to say hell let loose problems because every time I try get on the commander role it keeps saying not available but am on basic training am level 38 btw

[past vortex]

i dont see what that has to do with horses

[glossy heath]

can you still call it a hotfix if its 3 weeks later and planned

chillfix?

[keen yoke]

just got home chopping wood and scrolled 5 minutes in this chat just to be sad

[steady plinth]

Just watched your garbage game ruin a comp game, nice work T17

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/see-nobody-cares-nobody-cares-nedry-jurassic-park-gif-15821616830035310692

[cosmic pilot]

i feel your pain

[languid zephyr]

Absolute unplayable garbage

[fallen ravine]

sybau

[cosmic pilot]

make me

[steady plinth]

Don't forget to Keep Yourself Safe, while sucking off corporate.

[cosmic pilot]

who crashed your comp game

[past vortex]

oh look, the homieconcupiscents are back

[slate canopy]

Let's not use that language.

[storm granite]

why the hell is there a typo on the light tank description.

this isnt tolerated

[hexed jetty]

Description *

[storm granite]

im gonna end it all

[zealous linden]

Are you gigly or bugly?

[wind shore]

these ''side fixes'' are a joke

[wind shore]

Anyone else loving the random mid-match controller preset reset to defaults? Absolutely adoring it personally 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[topaz cape]

Nah it’s the disconnecting 4-5 times in single game lol

[wind shore]

Oh that’s a given, considering they did an update. I just think it’s even more odd that my controls are reset to default in the middle of a match whilst in active combat

My lean button got turned to toggle chat and as a result I got turned to Swiss cheese 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[topaz cape]

Yeah mine used to do that too after every update. I have a picture saved on my phone of my settings lol

[wind shore]

Oh no I’m talking about quite literally my controls being fine in the beginning of the match, then respawning in, getting into an exchange, then my controls going to default

I could understand if it had happened due to the update directly, and forced me to change them back after loading in after the update. But doing it literally while in the midst of a match? That’s a new one to say the least.

[topaz cape]

I’ve never had that but I bet it’s annoying af

[haughty geode]

Please T17, rather delay U19 and please fix your game!

[finite berry]

Nah, bring U19 next week for the lols

[topaz cape]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-says-no-no-gif-12232216

[analog apex]

I wonder if they will deliver U19 on time next month. Because for now it looks like U18 alone will delay them a great deal.

[finite berry]

My guess is that they will eventually fix the most glaring issues (crashes on both sides, call-in artillery being OP, tanks getting stuck etc) before moving on. It feels like they're much more concerned with publishing updates on schedule rather than making sure the updates are polished.

[analog apex]

That has definitely looked like so far.

But this U18 pushed it to a whole new bad level.

[covert elbow]

They have to for the winter steam sales

If they don’t get it out in time they loose a ton of money

It’s why U18 was awful

[analog apex]

Im so scared having this in mind. A few broken updates like that in a row can break the game and help it die... potentially.

Depending on how bad the updates would be of course.

[wind shore]

I have a question

Is hell let loose dying?

[topaz cape]

Yes slowly

[analog apex]

Nope, not yet. There has been a visible decline in the HLL playerCounts, but the game is far from dying... yet.

[meager timber]

No, there's no alternative

[wind shore]

askinf couse i just came back

and i played yesterday with some mentally disabled guys

[analog apex]

This ☝️

[meager timber]

It's kind of a blessing and a curse. If there would be competition either HLL would get better or die. Now it just exists and occupys space

[wind shore]

i cant find a server with veterans event though i play this game 2 months

[analog apex]

The game is in a very bad shape right now, because of U18 - they released it very broken, crashes, disconnects, tank problems and more.

[topaz cape]

At possibly the worst time as well lol

[wind shore]

i heard there is a new vietnam map?

[topaz cape]

Nope

[topaz cape]

New game next year

[analog apex]

Not a map, a whole new game. HLL2 so to speak.

[finite berry]

No.

[meager timber]

And Sam you are very right to be concerned about the future updates. It's really not looking good in terms of U19. How can they add more stuff in to this mess? It seems that when they add or change something the game breaks even more

[tacit matrix]

I dont get it, how they could push such update without testing it? hilarious

[finite berry]

Because they had to publish it on schedule

[tacit matrix]

why?

[analog apex]

That's the thing... they simply did.

[finite berry]

If only we knew

[wind shore]

is this official confirmed?

[analog apex]

Yes.

By the devs.

[wind shore]

ohh hel let loose vietnam

[finite berry]

Search for the trailer on YouTube

[weary forge]

I bought the overlord skins where do I equip them cause when I go into a game it says I don’t have them

[tacit matrix]

There is even trailer https://youtu.be/FQ6QR3y3WSg?si=D_TNwEBzBflx7Q4H

[analog apex]

#telegrams message @wind shore

[wind shore]

anyone knows what price might be

[tacit matrix]

Just tell me they changed to new engine and game gonna be optimized 😄

[analog apex]

Not announed yet.

[wind shore]

got HLL for free but i just feel thiss will be 50€

[meager timber]

HLL:V is a chance for T17 to show that a game like HLL is possible to do well with the Unreal Engine. I mean the concept of HLL is really complex and hard to do well in terms of stability so I understand the frustration. Is it engine limitation or spaghetti code? Probably both. Vietnam will be a experiment in T17 starting from a clean slate

[meager timber]

Yes, UE5

[analog apex]

I would say/guess 60€ personally.

[tacit matrix]

that may not be such good info xD there is a lot of games f... up on UE5 so probably to play we gonna need rtx 4080 xD

[finite berry]

At least.

[meager timber]

It's entirely on the devs tho. It is possible to do a well optimized game with the UE5

[finite berry]

Didn't they already say that they recycled old code for HLLV?

[topaz cape]

Not holding my breathe

[analog apex]

In case of UE5 it very depends on the skills/experience of the devs that use it

[meager timber]

Yeah well I have my fears... Let's see :D

[tacit matrix]

you just fueled the fire 😄 #U18

[meager timber]

I don't know. I mean you can use old code but optimize it. When they are developing the ground work for the engine it's easier to do now when there isn't lots of stuff added on top of it. So using old code isn't bad automatically

I might be talking from my behind now so take this with a grain of salt but I think it's more about the design principles than random spaghetti code. For example how do you deal with all of the physics calculations? Seems that HLL optimization is really bad since the complexity adds load to servers and client. The crashes might come from overload via the engine constantly dealing with so much information

[analog apex]

However supposedly on HLL:Vietnam works a different dev team than on HLL1, so the quality of Vietnam results are yet to be seen.

In any case, I wish they just put all their dev manpower into HLL1, to polish it quality and fast at the same time - before even thinking about any HLL2. But they didn't.

[topaz cape]

They’ve had 3 years

[tacit matrix]

"full upgrade to UE5, brindging significant improvements in performance, visuals and gameplay systems. Much of codebase has been reworked from the ground up to support fresh mechanics, features, visual and audio enhancements. These foundational updates are a major reason why HLL Vietnam as its oown experience (that why it is not a DLC)"

sounds nice

[covert elbow]

Because the autumn game sales

[tacit matrix]

so good job, the game rating dropped 😄

[finite berry]

67% of the ratings over the last 30 days are positive

[meager timber]

How??? :D

[finite berry]

How so many or how so little? 😄

[meager timber]

I mean how is it possible to have so many positive ratings when the game is crashing all the time

[finite berry]

🤷‍♂️

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/538055883075354637/1429393239546265620/image.png?ex=68f5f9b1&is=68f4a831&hm=bca5dfb2780ebe6308ecb5e0fdb2de9ad8ad343ccbd0c97acf8cce240c459c91&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

still enough folks who give a thumbs up, apparently

[wind shore]

playing it rn is alr for me

[meager timber]

Oh well, you can see a spike in negative reviews when they released the new update

[wind shore]

just maybe people can have better mics pleas

[finite berry]

23 👎, 17 👍

[nova pivot]

Ausgeglichen 🗿

[analog apex]

Folks that give a 👍 in their first hours and once they start experiencing/noticing the bad stuff, they just leave.

And not touch their review anymore.

The reason why there are permanently low LVLs in the pubs matches.

[nova oracle]

More people are playing 2017 battlefront over hell let loose which released on consoles in 2019

[azure ether]

Horse

[nova pivot]

Ye

[azure ether]

Horse

[nova pivot]

Ye

[azure ether]

Horse

[nova pivot]

Ye

[azure ether]

Horse

[nova pivot]

Ye

[azure ether]

Horse

[nova pivot]

Ye

[azure ether]

Horse

[nova pivot]

Ye

[azure ether]

Horse

[gentle lintel]

What the helly

[nova pivot]

Ye

[gentle lintel]

🛑

[azure ether]

Horse

[nova pivot]

Ye

[azure ether]

Horse

[nova pivot]

Ye

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/cinderella-gray-uma-musume-oguri-cap-anime-sigh-gif-16560465975175921987

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/hxZblFVrxiE.gif

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/me-looking-for-funny-looking-for-the-funny-wheres-the-funny-where-funny-funny-gif-19542839

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/weRn.gif

[daring helm]

https://tenor.com/view/nevetailflyingoutofbritishjeepsadshit-hll-jeep-funny-gif-13082520119262468915

[steep gorge]

Just sell the game and close the studio.

[trail cedar]

At least one client side or full server crash per game over this weekend 🤣

[azure ether]

Finally

[nova pivot]

😒

[azure ether]

Ive been unmuted

[bold gale]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-soprano-the-sopranos-disappointed-shake-my-head-reaction-gif-8454516453669403576

[languid zephyr]

Hello - if you enter in the senior game designer’s at Expression Games steam ID in gas-stats and nothing comes up should I be concerned there’s a chance that the lead person involved in the game has never played? Or if I look at their public steam profile and see they don’t have HLL in their inventory (but seem to love CSgo) should I be concerned?

[bold gale]

А не похуй ли?

[fervent dagger]

They almost certainly have a dev account. At my last place it was a similar deal.

[worthy charm]

Eyyy, there actually was a drop of 3%

Amazing

Game gonna die now.

See you all next weekend in S44

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-gigachad-meme-giga-talk-talkmeme-gif-27266504

[meager timber]

How much code do you have to interact with when you play the game?

[languid zephyr]

All of it actually. Every single piece

[meager timber]

Sure, in the same way you interact with the code in the ATM machine when you withdraw cash.

But I wouldn't get worried. Probably a dev account and playing the game vs. leading the development are two separate things imo

[nova oracle]

Better to buy games off of CD keys / Loaded

Hell let loose, another free weekend

[nova pivot]

How are you going to lead the development of something you don't know how works?

[worthy charm]

Buying Games full price it utter madness.

[nova oracle]

True

[finite berry]

Not always, but often.

[worthy charm]

Im an expert in madness I have close to all Stellaris DLCs

:}

[nova oracle]

A colleague of mine always buys his game on the PlayStation store, crazy, I got battlefield 6 phantom edition for 70, he paid 99

Insanity

[meager timber]

Works in the gameplay sense or in the theoretical code sense? Two separate things. For the gameplay sense you get suggestions etc. from the playerbase. The theoretical code sense is the one that is most important

[fervent dagger]

The storm one was pretty much the only one I hard passed on

[nova oracle]

I prefer civilisation over stellaris

[worthy charm]

Havent played in a While so not sure how many new ones there are. Last one I have is the one with Bio ships

[nova oracle]

Stellaris takes forever

[cyan saddle]

Did you approve of @worthy charm's stats though? That's the real question.

I know you checked them 👀

[nova pivot]

That is like saying you can drive a car because you know how the engine works and because somebody told you how to do it

[worthy charm]

What?

[nova oracle]

Is tanking still broke?

[fervent dagger]

There's only one new one after that. The cosmic storm one came before that I think and from what I've seen, it hard sucks. I'm a sucker for the rest of them though.

[nova pivot]

Yes

[nova oracle]

Tanking is the only reason I play hell anymore

[fervent dagger]

Guess we will find out tommorow when the hotfix drops.

[worthy charm]

The best thing is if you play with 3 other people and 100 mods, so in late game just crashes.

[nova oracle]

Infantry is no fun

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/hugging-big-floppa-gif-21942092

[nova oracle]

WTF is that demon?

[nova pivot]

A caracal, better known as big floppa

[meager timber]

Nope. I'm saying that the guy who designs the engine is a different guy that designs the chassis and the one who coordinates this all is also a different guy. Look, I'm not defending the devs but this is just usually how it works

[nova oracle]

Weird kangaroo, cat hybrid

Didn’t the Egyptians worship those things?

[nova pivot]

Exactly and someone who leads the design shouldn't know how each piece is done? And how does the final product feel?

[nova oracle]

It’s not the developers, it’s the senior management

It’s always the senior management, look at what happened to Halo.

[worthy charm]

How the great can fall so deep

[nova oracle]

The management tells the devs what they need to make

[nova oracle]

Halo has had the biggest fall off ever

[nova pivot]

I don't think so, they worshipped cats but I don't think they ever got to see a caracal

[meager timber]

Yes! But leading the engineering team is a different position than leading the whole car project. You can think of the senior dev as a leader of the engineering department of a car company kinda :D it gets pretty obscure

[nova oracle]

The furries would have had a field day in ancient Egypt

[cyan saddle]

People praised Halo Infinite, no? And then dropped the game again after a week.

[nova oracle]

Why did all ancient people wear makeup?

War paint or whatever

[nova pivot]

Then my point is right, how is he going to make a good decision if he doesn't know how the other parts are going to work

[worthy charm]

Never played it but I have heard the progression system is bad.

[nova oracle]

The only people to make war paint look good were the Native American tribes

[nova pivot]

Disagree, the Celts looked really cool

[fervent dagger]

Again, I can't imagine many devs wanting to play the game they work on professionally on their recreational steam account.

[nova oracle]

They wore skirts though

[cyan saddle]

As someone who's never played Halo, it just looks like a dated formula. Worked great years ago. Nowadays requires all kinds of fluff that people despise to keep them playing.

[nova pivot]

Sexy, isn't it?

[nova oracle]

Kilts, skirts, is there a difference

[meager timber]

Sure. In a hypothetical situation where this person doesn't know anything about the game, it would be pretty hard to develop anything. I'm not sure why this would be the case for HLL

[nova oracle]

Tbf the Roman’s also wore dresses

[meager timber]

It's like saying the lead dev doesn't know what a car is

[nova pivot]

Feels like that

[nova oracle]

The best uniform in History has to go the Panzer Grenadiers