mess-hall

[past vortex]

enugh official servers available, you can tell because they are almost all empty, so no need for more

[flint coyote]

@past vortex why do you both think the official servers are never very populated? I am in US-W and personally never see any when I sort by ping.

[slate canopy]

Example for PC. (The 2 populated are South America, and a European)

We always recommend NOT playing on Official soooo 😅

[past vortex]

because no one wants to play without an admin

[flint coyote]

Why?

[slate canopy]

No moderation.

[past vortex]

cheater,griefers

[flint coyote]

But there's a vote kick system

[slate canopy]

Getting constantly killed by a teammate? Killed by a cheater on the other side from across the map?

[flint coyote]

what do you define as a griefer?

[past vortex]

and since almost all somewhat good players never play official the quality o game sis really low anyway

[flint coyote]

vote kick? in all my time playing, thousand plus hours, never seen one cheater that wasnt using discord to cheat, and helping clan mates on the enemy team defeat thier own, aka a Mole. That's the only cheating Ive ever seen.

[slate canopy]

People don't always vote, nor do they always vote yes.

[flint coyote]

Never seen like, a hacker cheat in the game, ever, on any server

[slate canopy]

If I'm not told why the kick is happening (via voice chat or text chat), I vote no.

[past vortex]

tbh, i have no idea how it is on console, and what we said about the servers was also for pc :}

[slate canopy]

I've seen 2 cheaters, both on community servers, and I'm just short of 1000 hours.

but since it was community servers, we got an admin to take care of it.

[flint coyote]

from this post on reddit: www.reddit.com/r/HellLetLoose/comments/1jh9lqc/does_team17_do_anything_against_cheaters/

The short answer to your question is yes, cheaters are receiving game bans. T17 support (currently) do not accept any direct reports however, only from server admins.

So, what can or should you do? As others have pointed out already: Play on community servers!

• Communities actively share reports: There'll be less cheaters to begin with

• Should you run into a cheater, there's active admins to deal with them

• Any cheaters found on community servers will eventually be game banned by T17 as well

But you're free to play on Official servers if you prefer so, of course.

So it would seem then, what I really am asking to have T17 change, is to moderate/admin their own servers, officially.

Because, unfortunately, not all mods are kind, considerate, and fair, and all humans have an ego.

There needs to be T17 moderation, administrated, monitored, officially, or a better way to report and ban cheaters, through the game's official channels.

[slate canopy]

They simply provide the servers. They don't have people to monitor the servers and pay for it.

[past vortex]

lol that reddit mod totally made that up

t17 does nothing about cheaters

[flint coyote]

Other online multiplayer games handle it, they can figure it out.

[past vortex]

other games even have a working scoreboard

[slate canopy]

" T17 support (currently) do not accept any direct reports however, only from server admins." They did say that lol

[flint coyote]

I realize you two are probably mods yourselves, and feel defensive about this take of mine. You might be good mods, for all I know. But what I know is, many servers are run by bad mods, that power trip, allow cheating if by thier own clan, etc. Offical servers need better/full support

[past vortex]

i guess they might ban the few who are stupid enough to get automatically caught by the AC

[slate canopy]

I'm just a moderator of the discord. I do nothing in the game servers. I'm not part of a community.

[flint coyote]

Either way... I rest my case, so to speak.

Thanks for replying, helpful

helped my understanding

[slate canopy]

If you want to provide money to the company to have people around 24/7 for games where most people don't play on official anyway... I'm sure they'd take it 😉

[past vortex]

the community modding works very good tho, no reason to complain

[slate canopy]

https://support.team17.com/hell-let-loose/en/articles/316972-reporting-a-player-on-hell-let-loose

This is the way to report for official servers.

[past vortex]

althoug on console you might be a bit short on alternatives for servers

[echo karma]

Is x i m banned mods?

[flint coyote]

Did some quick research... looks like $1-5mil annually, after a 250k - 1mil investment... for a proper anti-cheat on official servers that would be comparable to AAA shooter titles. So, that explains why they don't have them. If the client side solution is really the only way to handle it, for T17s budget, then... Still, the issue remains... that many server mods, power trip, and there needs to be checks and balances in place for all servers owned privately. They shouldn't just be allowed to set whatever rules, kick anyone they want, for any reason, abuse their power to help their clan-mates as desired, etc. T17, still needs to step up their efforts or this game goes extinct sooner than they want.

[slate canopy]

We don't allow talk of cheatinggg 🙂

[echo karma]

I was trying to say those are only cheaters on console

[echo karma]

Tldr every multi-player game needs kernel level anti cheat period

[slate canopy]

Feel free to provide the whole information and make a #1098158460463480842 🙂

[past vortex]

hahaha

[flint coyote]

I already did. Thank you again.

[past vortex]

how many servers do you find near you ?

west coast?

[flint coyote]

There's a handful, but one is toxic AF, one is entirely spanish in command chat, the rest pretty much only ever play the same map and are somewhat toxic themselves. Its gotten to the point where it stopped being worth playing anymore, I have moved on from HLL. Came here, to give this feedback, before I left this server.

Speaking of....

👋

[past vortex]

seems to be a console problem

[slate canopy]

🤷‍♀️ Dunno why he'd have to leave the discord, but OK

[carmine pilot]

Console is interesting tbh. I just like play comp on there

[tribal schooner]

Is anyone on Xbox and online there’s literally no group posts 😭

My username name is T0R Kboy on Xbox

[slate canopy]

#console-looking-for-unit this will help

[tribal schooner]

Thank you

[obsidian storm]

The game is 17+ but you cant even swear in this discord?

[slate canopy]

"Do not use excessive, extreme, or overly explicit language, or act with hostility."

Just because it's 17+ doesn't mean everyone is 17+

[obsidian storm]

Bro i cant even say a s s

[slate canopy]

I definitely remember playing GTA Vice City when I was like 10.

[obsidian storm]

Like these are so minuscule but they want to police it

[slate canopy]

It's auto mod 🤷‍♀️ I don't control that.

[obsidian storm]

Ik they should change the bot

[slate canopy]

I think it's so they don't have people ranting and raving with like 20 explicate words.

[past vortex]

its for keeping those under 17 in check :}

[obtuse dragon]

yk, i wonder if the devs

will one day add the grain elevator

or spartanovka

[shrewd hazel]

Algum brasileiro????

[broken shoal]

Hello is this hotfix patch

[atomic mural]

Im starting to wonder whether its better now to move to another shooter like BF6 for a while

[wind shore]

it is

[supple cedar]

Brother look how much it costs to run a HLL server. People that pay to run a server reserve the right to create rules and do whatever they want. I do agree there are some clan servers that are very egotistical and have questionable rules and such but they are paying to run the server not you or me. I would suggest running your own server and making your own rules if your going to gripe so much about it. Ps have fun seeding if you do.

[minor peak]

update 18

[worn elbow]

its so good that you get the xp even after leaving mid match

[lucid rapids]

does this mean I keep the XP when it crashes

[sturdy quarry]

yes, xp is gained live so still applies if you crash or quit mid game. you just miss out on the career xp bonuses that you see on the match end screen (+x% for win etc)

[sturdy pivot]

Whats the best map in your opinion

[honest stump]

It was a bad time to drop the ball on this update with BF6 releasing... I suspect a lot of people will jump ship. I have faith it'll be fixed though as I want this game to do well as it relies on a solid community. I just hope the devs listen to the feedback to impliment the changes in good time

[sturdy quarry]

even if they didnt listen just testing stuff works would be a start

[honest stump]

they have those PTE things but they always seem dead so not sure what they really learn from them. TRhe main release feels like a PTE tbh. Find all the mad problems and then fix after that (hopefully) i

[wind shore]

they wont.

[sturdy quarry]

yeh but you dont need a PTE to test driving a tank, when the update was changing how the tanks work

[honest stump]

those issues are weird to not have been picked up during dev stage for sure

[finite berry]

Unpopular opinion, but Bf6's impact is overrated (so is the game) and won't affect HLL's playercount in the slightest long-term

[gilded spade]

patience does run out at some point

[finite berry]

Not here tho 😄

Players will return as soon as the crashes are fixed

[turbid echo]

this is one of the best military games i doubt people will leave

i love everything about this game

cant wait for vietnam update

@sturdy pivot the snow maps are amazing

[worthy charm]

Update Game

[turbid echo]

what? lol

[sturdy pivot]

Fr

[worthy charm]

Its a new game? With UE5 and stuff?

[sturdy pivot]

Im playing rn servers are empty or full que

[worthy charm]

Look up the faq

[turbid echo]

@worthy charm i thought vietnam was a new map on HLL?

[worthy charm]

Hell Let Loose: Vietnam bei Steam https://share.google/q0zv5syOxb8l2eM2f

[turbid echo]

OH even better!!!!

im definitely getting this lol

added to wishlist

[gilded spade]

Did you play HLL the last couple of days?

[turbid echo]

nah but ill be on probably tomorrow

[worthy charm]

I recommend taking the HLLV roles then so you get all the news

[honest stump]

It scratches a different itch to HLL so it will draw a certain crowd but one won't cancel out the other

[turbid echo]

i think hell let loose is the best team shooter I've ever played i actually feel like im on the battlefield when im in a trench or anywhere on the map

the teamwork is good

[gilded spade]

Then you will be surprised how it is now with recent update. I was excited for HLLV, now I'm not anymore

[finite berry]

Exactly

[turbid echo]

New map?

[finite berry]

How many hours do you have, exactly? 😄

[turbid echo]

almost 100

[finite berry]

Right, thanks

[turbid echo]

no problem

Can't find a section in here with new updates

[gilded spade]

#1425052819311955969

[finite berry]

@worthy charm

[turbid echo]

oh figured it would just be like community news so its easier to see whats going on

[worthy charm]

id:customize, scroll down a bit and choose the HLLV role(-s)

[turbid echo]

ok thank you 😄

[gentle lintel]

Thing is - no one will tell you the truth but I would gladly go through another U18 if it meant I could talk with Wombat again.

https://tenor.com/view/prempdr-fc-mobile-fifa-gif-16778760554072111618

[worthy charm]

Those Larian Mods sure have it good.

-# Are they looking for mods over there?

[cedar shuttle]

Now there is neither wombat nor quality control on a update

[worthy charm]

Drew as a Larian mod be like:

Why did I just saw this now? 👀

[gentle lintel]

Don’t expose me

[main harness]

What level are the HLL devs on BF6?

[finite berry]

100, at least

[broken shoal]

Hell let loose Pacific

[frail heart]

Pacific DLC when

[toxic bridge]

Let them first fix the game by then mate😅

[dusty bolt]

Simp

[gentle lintel]

Proud

[worthy charm]

Wombat react this man

[minor peak]

rip wombat medic

uh rip their place in the company I mean

[nova pivot]

@worthy charm

[worthy charm]

huh?👀

[nova pivot]

Hello

[worthy charm]

How may I not be of help for you at this nice day on a weekend?

[nova pivot]

I just wanted to say hello

Hello

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/greenhairbil-sus-dog-gif-27690748

[gentle lintel]

Xtremely sus

[worthy charm]

-# this gif is sponsered by @finite berry

[nova pivot]

Thanks for calling Elise so I can say hello to him too

[hexed meadow]

It's crazy how devs just ignore reviews on Xbox cuz game is unplayable

[nova pivot]

They're working on it. They know what they've done. If we keep complaining, all we're doing is creating a bad atmosphere on the server. The best we can do is leave useful and constructive feedback on the designated channels.

[hexed meadow]

They trying to fix one problem over a year?

I've played on PC and PS5 and 0 issues but Xbox is unplayable let's be fair they just ignore it and don't do anything about it.

[nova pivot]

Why are you here, to complain about the update or the pre-update state of the game?

[nova pivot]

Okay

I was talking about the latest update, we are getting a patch next week to fix all the mess they made

[silk igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/dwayne-johnson-the-rock-hey-its-gonna-be-okay-gif-10004519

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/false-facts-fake-news-gif-3718583105056900815

[hexed meadow]

Hmm didnt know about it tbh let's see than and ty bro I overreacted a bit

[nova pivot]

It's okay 👍

[frail heart]

That will probably mess other things up But heres hoping ❤️

[echo karma]

20 patches to fix this mess or 1 revert and scrap that horrible remake

[nova pivot]

20 patches

[echo karma]

See yall in Vietnam. Gonna take em 6 months to fix the crashes

[nova pivot]

The rework is not bad, it is just really bad implemeted

[nova pivot]

Yes please

[echo karma]

We need you to report feedback cuz we can't find out why the game is crashing

[nova pivot]

Weren't you going to disappear until Vietnam comes out?

[nova pivot]

.

Do it please

🫶

[azure heath]

What’s the meaning of Turkïye?

[fleet flicker]

dear god someone who speaks sense?!

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-403140411062093680

[cyan saddle]

Turkey in Turkish?

[dreamy mauve]

Since when does the game have an eula?

[echo karma]

Since forever since it's UK i.e. EU

[dreamy mauve]

How come it only prompts me to accept it now after like 4 years of having the game? Did they change anything?

[echo karma]

Idk if yall can sue fer bad playability stuff but I know you can sue for being unfairly banned etc yall got crazy consumer laws

[echo karma]

Idk if they change it you have to accept it again? Just a basic contract

[dreamy mauve]

There's no way to reject it though. It's not a real contract

[echo karma]

Rejection would be uninstall and get a refund

I know specifically you get access to a court hearing concerning ban appeals and reasons you got banned. They cannot ban you for no reason

And the eula committee is very strict on them

[worthy charm]

Does that aplly for community servers like this?

Would be weird

[mossy crane]

dude

im getting network error/fatal error almost every game after the update

[echo karma]

I don't believe so? But possibly. Specifically for unjust bans.

[mossy crane]

anyone experiencing the same thing?

[primal elk]

Hell of Erros that should be the name of the game what the helly like 8 Erros today

[mossy crane]

also tanks r aaaaasss to drive rn

[graceful whale]

I'm losing connection to server even though my wifi is good.

[echo karma]

But EU dudes can request a ban hearing for probably anything besides eac. Technically community server bans doesn't limit your access to game

[finite berry]

It is a contract, and yes, you could reject it by uninstalling the game.

[echo karma]

I wish America would copy EU consumer laws. They are perfect almost

[finite berry]

Yes. The issue is called Update 18. Is there a way to fix it? No, wait for the hotfix (next week).

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-escapes-from-the-hand-dog-side-eye-gif-11122278105679665117

[echo karma]

An EU crazy about loot boxes too and mtx

[dusty bolt]

Hey, is anyone else crashing? It's been like this since Tuesday for me and I can't even play the game. Was wondering if anyone else had the same issue

[mossy crane]

yep yep

game is horrible rn

[echo karma]

90% of the playerbase. 100% of console

[past veldt]

Luckily if you crash it's easy to get back into the same server again. People are crashing so much the queues fly by

[echo karma]

I hope when vietnam comes out they ditch there server provider and go to Amazon even tho they ain't much better. 90% of thete problems is horrible ping. Messes the whole game up

[broken shoal]

hello is hell let loose weekend, where most people play. is there any hotfix yet.

[echo karma]

100+ ping in hll. 20ms in cod. Make it make sense

[past veldt]

Who does host the official servers? Still gportal?

[echo karma]

Only game that has ping issues

Gportal is as

[past veldt]

No hot fix yet

[broken shoal]

if they plan to kill HLL when Vietnam comes they may as well let us mod/steam workshop the game

[echo karma]

Unlikely. Hopefully they do tho.

This did say console server browsers was impossible tbf

[dreamy mauve]

The EULA directly opposes modding, which is why I came here in the first place to ask about it

Given that they're cooking up a new game right now

[past veldt]

Black Matter said this

[echo karma]

Ehh idk tbh. Arma reforger and dayz big mods tho

[echo karma]

So did t17

[past veldt]

The current developers did not say this

[broken shoal]

The main reason Squad is still alive after all these years is not the engine update. IS THE WORKSHOP.

Think they really plan to kill HLL when Vietnam comes

[echo karma]

Console server browser was recent like a year?

Maybe 2

[past veldt]

No idea, I'm on Pc

But T17 did not say no to a server browser, it was BM

[echo karma]

I remeb3r cuz it was on xbox ambassador program 1st

[past veldt]

Yes, when BM still owned the IP

T17 contracted some random studio for the port

But it was BM stating no to the server browser

[echo karma]

Bm did. The port was before Kharkov

[past veldt]

BM didn't do the port

[broken shoal]

HLL should add territory control like RO2, simple as.

[echo karma]

No they contracted another company not expression games

[finite berry]

Next week if everything goes well.

[fleet flicker]

pings never been a issue outside of qonza servers but hey thats been a thing since way before the update XD

if you whisper town center or carentan it shits itself

[dusty bolt]

Its a seeding wetdream

[primal elk]

Same bro that sucks

thats my 9 Error today

[sturdy bridge]

@worthy charm i hope you have a good saturday pookie

[dim prawn]

Sure hope devs are hard at work this weekend fixing the game for us

[primal elk]

So ein Kack spiel man wird nur gekcikt und Error

[primal elk]

Hope so nervt

Das ganze rejoining

[grizzled kiln]

Vacay bro 🌴 Maybe next week

[strange garnet]

RO2 was 10 years ahead of its time.
Shame about staxis which killed it.

[delicate mortar]

How long will the dev leave the game in this unplayable state ?

[analog apex]

#telegrams message

Thank you again for your continued feedback.
We are actively working on a Hotfix, which we're aiming to have ready to drop next week.
It’ll focus on addressing some of the most pressing issues you've raised since the update went live, including the server side crashing issue.
We will share more details early next week.

[wind shore]

Hot patch in a week I guess

[delicate mortar]

Thanks

Sharing details doesn't mean fixing. But we will see

[analog apex]

yep, you got that right 😃

[grizzled kiln]

Could be a couple of years based on past experience. Let's see

[analog apex]

maybe we will get some details for the plans to start thinking about planning the hotfix 😄

[delicate mortar]

💀 💀 💀

[dusty bolt]

Hey I just crashed again

Has anyone else crashed?

[delicate mortar]

Everyone crashed

[analog apex]

No, I fixed it for myself.

Fix: stopped playing to avoid the crash xD

[delicate mortar]

☝️

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-sometimes-my-genius-almost-frightening-driving-car-ride-gif-16463163

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813465453942145067/1364712269107298334/speechmemified_tankfly.gif

[cosmic pilot]

my genius generates gravity

[dusty bolt]

11th of October, in the Year of our Lord 2025
Day the Fourth since the Calamity of Update Eighteen

Dearest Journal,

The sun rose this morn upon a broken field. The servers lie in disarray — corpses of what once were glorious battles. I took to the front, musket (or rather, rifle) in hand, but the very soul of the fight seemed gone. Our comrades, once brave and stout of heart, now wander aimlessly through the mire of desynchronization and despair. The maps — oh, the maps! — fractured as if struck by divine wrath itself. Grenades vanish, tanks refuse to heed command, and the artillery — once a proud roar of precision — now fires but echoes of chaos.

’Tis now the fourth day since the Dev Lords of Hell Let Loose departed their post. They speak not, nor answer our pleas, and we, the common soldiers, are left to fend for ourselves amidst the ruin. Once we looked to them as stewards of balance and guardians of the code; now we see but ghosts, their promises scattered like patch notes in the wind.

Morale dwindles, dear Journal. Even the hardiest of commanders, those who once roused entire regiments to victory, sit idle — their faith in the Dev Lords eroded like the trenches at Hill 400. I fear the spirit of battle itself is fading, replaced by a weary acceptance that the front is lost.

If salvation does not come soon, I know not if our beloved Hell shall ever be Loosed again.

Yours in eternal lag and lament,
A Desolate Soldier of the 18th Update

[little otter]

What is the best thing about this patch? That you can pickup your own supply box? 😄

Or the Launch Screen change?

[past vortex]

supply box pickup is the only thing thats uncontroversial and good

also: you should not expect any fix for client crashes

[worthy charm]

Somehow some even complained about faster turrets for tanks...

[past vortex]

wdym somehow, tanks needed no buff

[worthy charm]

😒

Get into a corner

you little

[past vortex]

we already had that, good tankers were already op

making bad tankers viable doesnt help anyone

(except the bad tankers ofc:)

[worthy charm]

Huk doesnt like me having fun

its official

Just like @empty steppe

[past vortex]

you get the bmw driving style sim with the panther, why are you complaining

[worthy charm]

huh?

My bmw drives better than a panther

especially now because they ruined my poor boi

[dusty bolt]

11th of October, in the Year of our Lord 2025
Day the Fourth since the Calamity of Update Eighteen

Dearest Journal,

The dawn rose pale and sorrowful, as though even the heavens mourned what has become of our once-beloved Hell Let Loose. It is Day the Fourth since the Dev Lords abandoned us, and the fields remain cursed — riddled with desync, empty lobbies, and broken hearts. Yet, amidst this desolation, I find myself thinking less of the war… and more of him.

Thomas. His voice, once carried across command chat like a rallying cry, now echoes only in memory. How gallantly he charged the point, smoke swirling about his figure like divine mist — I could scarce tell whether it was the fog of war or the heat of my own chest that made my vision blur. When the server crashed, and all went silent, I swear I felt his absence more keenly than the loss of the battle itself.

I write now by candlelight, my hands trembling not from the recoil of the MG but from the longing that gnaws within me. The others jest still about the Devs’ silence, but they know not the true ache of a heart unpatched. Were I but a line of code in his presence, I’d gladly endure every bug and crash, so long as I might stand beside him once more — defending the last point, hearts syncing though the game itself cannot.

Should the Dev Lords return and restore order, I pray they mend more than the servers. For I, too, am broken — not by the Update, but by love’s cruel latency.

Yours ever in longing and lag,
Private Edward Finch, 18th Regiment of Broken Hearts

[worthy charm]

No way youre not using chat gpt for these

[dusty bolt]

I mean, Im definately not playing the game right now because its broken lol

[cosmic pilot]

i'll kill him
in minecraft

[graceful moth]

server got killed twice in an hour, switched server, game crashed 😄

[tall kindle]

Anyways stuck on Home Screen and can’t do anything

[frail heart]

They will release the hotfix then a patch for the hotfix 6years down the line

[little otter]

Hotfix will be some floating piles of bricks and an invisible wall in some HQ corner on Stalingrad.

[gilded spade]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1426617525403123872

[past vortex]

huh?
lowrider, overturns all the time... its basically the same

[finite berry]

Voting is absolutely pointless because the community holds no power here

[high stump]

Keep baiting 🤣

[thin lotus]

the results of the 16 voter participants have decided that a rollback is the only solution to the devs incompetence

🙇‍♂️

[empty steppe]

nah

you can have fun

[silk igloo]

you hearing all these news about car manufacturers requiring you to subscribe to a live service so that the motor can use all the horsepower etc

[steady vessel]

I mean, hard to retain a player base when the front end and back end of the game are both broken atm. Can't imagine how many players HLL will lose if they keep trying to push the game in a broken state with hotfixes

[thin lotus]

that's just bad practice, malicious intent, and greed by those manufacturers.
HLL is run by incompetence, which is different

U18 doesnt suck because of greed. It's incompentence

[silk igloo]

no, it's run by greed, which is why they dont hire or pay for skilled labour

or at least there's not enough of it compared to their record profits

[steady vessel]

Nah, HLL runs on a modified UE4. It's spaghetti code at best. Can't imagine how annoying it must be to work with, skilled or not.

[grizzled kiln]

Not the fault of UE4 tho

[thin lotus]

We dont know 100% that is the cause, so I wont latch onto that as being a reason their dripfeed has been overall terrible.
But believe me, I'm not defending T17 or whatever 'devteam' is behind releasing these updates.

[grizzled kiln]

Again, incompetence obv

[silk igloo]

they're still making profits, no?

[grizzled kiln]

yeah

from dlc and server rent

[finite berry]

Honestly, would player retention even be so bad as long as the game runs (as in not crashes and doesn't have abysmal performance)? New redeploy screen, more historically inaccurate DLCs, who even cares as long as the game is still fun from a gameplay perspective?

[slate canopy]

Server rent? 🤔 Unless I guess the server companies are giving a small cut, T17 don't directly rent the servers. They are paid to the server companies.

[thin lotus]

"big bad management" as being the reason to why things have been bad, is a basically just a guess.
What we know is what they release, that's what people should judge on.

people would not care about whatever practice t17 is doing, like outsourcing, if the updates didn't have issues as they do

[grizzled kiln]

T17 gets a big cut obv

[steady vessel]

Thats kind of my point, put the game back into a playable state.

[finite berry]

Coming from an "outside-perspective-guy", I think HLL is in a pretty convenient spot. It's historically accurate enough to distance itself from shooters like Battlefield, it's arcadey enough to be accessible to casuals, it has shiny unlocks, runs somewhat well and offers the "omg that was epic" situation. Historical accuracy, who even cares?

[grizzled kiln]

Which is what exactly ? It was broken before U18 as well 😄

[finite berry]

Which basically is just fixing the game and server crashes.

After that, the rest is "optional" for fixing

[grizzled kiln]

There are no viable alternatives at the moment. And none planned

[finite berry]

Exactly

[slate canopy]

Sadly a chunk of people suuuure are critical of the historical accuracy.

[finite berry]

So T17 can just sit back relaxed and take care of the most glaring issues (again, crashes) and be absolutely fine with it

Like I said, convenient spot

[grizzled kiln]

It's accurate enough for me to not care tbh.

[finite berry]

Sadly? I'm one of those people, it's one of the big reasons why I don't play HLL. But I also understand that's the reason why it's so successful, despite T17 delivering absolutely dogsh it updates.

[steady vessel]

HLL has always been kinda broken. Again. Its spaghetti code at best, but at least it was playable.

Right now on the front end people are getting mass disconnects and crashes, backend RCON and CRCON are hanging on by a thread. Its not a good state for the game to be in considering BF6 just released

[grizzled kiln]

Agree, but just rolling back won't solve all issues.

Even witn minimal QA they could do better. But they obviously don't do any QA at all

Or listen to the community. So just like BM

[steady vessel]

No, but it'll give time for a PTE and the bugs preventing it from being 100% playable to get fixed. I'm all for them adding new features and whatnot. Can't come at the cost of the game being able to run though lol

[finite berry]

But Bf6 is not WW2, so who even cares? Now there's lots of hype, people will play Bf6 and come back after a few days or even weeks as soon as the hype died down.

Plus, again, Bf6 can't replace HLL because it's not WW2.

[gilded spade]

Have you played the game over the couple of days?

[finite berry]

I don't even have the game.

Neither Bf6 nor HLL.

[steady vessel]

Why are you even here then?

[grizzled kiln]

Tried BF6 in the open beta and not a fan. Also not WW2, so as Elise said, not a replacement for HLL.

[gilded spade]

So you don’t even know what the current problem is then?

I see

[past vortex]

literally unplayable

[finite berry]

Because I like goofing around here, because I like discussing, because there are funny people here, because it's interesting to see what the competition does.

[finite berry]

I dunno, you tell me?

[steady vessel]

Competition? SQUAD44 then?

[finite berry]

I have made my points in the discussion above, if I'm (blatantly) wrong somewhere, feel free to prove me wrong

[grizzled kiln]

You're not wrong 😄

[finite berry]

Yes. I mean, it's literally in my server-specific About me, can't do more than that 😄

[steady vessel]

Ah, he's just a larper lol

[thin lotus]

🙈

[grizzled kiln]

Just by adapting some of the features of s44, HLL would be much better off. Assuming the devs can even code anything functional 😄 Big if

[silk igloo]

point is that those profits could be used on the company

[thin lotus]

You can reskin HLL as a futuristic alien era shooter and the gameplay would be unchanged. The "WW2ness" of it is literally just appearances

[grizzled kiln]

HLL is obviously in a minimal effort state from t17. Prob all focus on HLL V and hope most HLL players will buy that

[thin lotus]

in fact it'd make more sense to be some futuristic game about teleporting around the battlefield lol

[steady vessel]

Nah, the best part of HLL is that is IS still arcade-ie. If I wanted to play a milsim where alt+F+F5 unloads the magazine into my butthole I'd play an actual milsim

[finite berry]

A larper?

[grizzled kiln]

And tanks flying and making 360 no scopes

[finite berry]

Unfortunately very much true.

[thin lotus]

laser beam weapons, the list goes on

[grizzled kiln]

Yeah play arma and bind all keys on your kb and then some to even shoot your gun

[silk igloo]

like it's not even a management issue, if they're only given X and Y they can only do so much with it

[grizzled kiln]

They got spaghetti code from BM. Not easy to work with, true

[finite berry]

That reminds me of the modded medic experience for Arma 😄 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie8rbTzES2I

[steady vessel]

Its a 2017 game with 2014 or so hardware limitations lol. They can only do so much before their minimum specs need raised, which would alienate some of the player base

[grizzled kiln]

Hahahaha..OMG

[finite berry]

I mean, I can absolutely see the appeal, but man, I don't wanna have to get a Phd in human anatomy to heal someone in a video game

[steady vessel]

Honestly I'd play the hell out of it. The arcade gun mechanics and insanely low TTK are why I like HLL to begin with. Bullet sponge shooters are so boring its unreal

[finite berry]

That's also something I can see with HLLV happening. UE5 is nice and all, but can people actually run it?

[grizzled kiln]

If it's the same devs it'll also run like 💩 UE5 is not a magic fix for imcompetence.

[finite berry]

Looking at you there, Squad

[grizzled kiln]

Hence all the broken UE5 games out lately

[finite berry]

On the other hand, Squad got ported to UE5 from UE4, HLLV gets built from groundup to run on UE5, so perhaps they can do it better

[wintry thistle]

Tbf that’s a mod

[finite berry]

PERHAPS

[finite berry]

I know, as stated here

[grizzled kiln]

Like I said, devs have not shown us they are particularly skilled.

We'll need to wait an see I guess. Can always buy it on Steam and get a refund if it's bad I guess

[gusty venture]

Good luck to em. They've shown what they're capable of. Not much I'd say

[thin lotus]

"Creating Vietnam as a separate [UE5] title has allowed us to upgrade and overhaul many core systems that are challenging to change when supporting a live service title such as Hell Let Loose."
"Much of the existing codebase has been reworked to support new features, mechanics, and visual enhancements."

These are the devs' words. It doesn't sound like it's from the "ground up," to me.

seeing legacy issues on HLLV would be hilarious though

[grizzled kiln]

Yeah I have no faith in them pulling it through. I'm sure it'll run like poo lol

[finite berry]

Questionable, honestly. The devs of HLL WW2 are barely testing the updates they have to squeeze out, development for HLL WW2 is just ticking over. On the other hand, the development situation for HLLV could be much, much different.

[grizzled kiln]

True, but we don't know.

All we do know is that they have 0 QA on HLL.

Why would it be different for HLL V ?

[finite berry]

Which is both funny and embarassing.

[grizzled kiln]

Yeah and sad 🙁

[finite berry]

Because stakes are much higher there for T17, obviously.

[grizzled kiln]

They paid mucho $$$ for HLL tho

[thin lotus]

you guys dont understand though, HLLs dev team has UE5 savants that will ensure their game won't look or run like every other UE5 game in existence lol

[wintry thistle]

I don’t think HLLV should be doomed on

Give it a chance!!! (I won’t) but still

[gusty venture]

But they don't deserve a chance tho. That's the thing

[finite berry]

HLL WW2 has been sold god knows how many times already; T17 can afford to push out half-baked updates and lots of DLCs. Basically just squeezing out as much money as possible. For HLLV, they HAVE to make sure the release and updates go well because otherwise, no one will buy it (and thus also no DLCs). The stakes for HLL WW2 are very low, the stakes for HLLV are very high.

[finite berry]

And probably got enough money back in return.

[grizzled kiln]

Doubt

[finite berry]

Sales, DLCs, the Epic Games Store thing

[grizzled kiln]

It was like 40 mill USD if I remember

[wintry thistle]

I mean T17 hasn’t ever made a HLL game

[grizzled kiln]

Thats a lot of money

[grizzled kiln]

True

[wintry thistle]

They just had to work with HLL

[gusty venture]

Showing the community that they can take care of the game they currently have would go a long way. They have one of the most passionate communities I've ever seen, and they waste it

[finite berry]

If that's truly the case and T17 LOST money over HLL, why are they expanding the franchise now? Why are they starting separate development of another HLL title? If HLL WW2 was a financial failure to them, wouldn't that be the cue for them to say "it's not worth it, we'll ditch that product"? Instead of expanding it?

[wintry thistle]

They haven’t had the best track record with HLL
But making a new game is a whole other effort
They can actually do things now instead of just put duct tape on everything

[grizzled kiln]

They purchased the IP. So they need to make some money back with spin offs

[gusty venture]

Well I mean, they seem to try. At least when they first came on. But idk anymore

[finite berry]

They can afford to. And I wouldn't even say that they are wasting it because people keep playing HLL and keep buying DLCs.

[gusty venture]

Stockholm syndrome

[grizzled kiln]

At this point its actually better if they didn't try 😄

[lucid gazelle]

If it's any consolation no game in the genre is doing particularly well atm

[thin lotus]

T17 calling "Hell Let Loose" a franchise is pretty out there

[dim prawn]

domestic abuse situation

[finite berry]

Nope. Simply not correct. No one forces them to do so. They bought one game, not a franchise. But they decided to TURN it into a franchise. They absolutely would not have done that if they weren't expecting it to pay off.

[gusty venture]

So real

[finite berry]

Sorry, but that's how private companies work.

[dim prawn]

“he said he was sorry! I’ll go back, itll be different this time!”

[grizzled kiln]

Not true. They purchased the Hell let loose franchise

[finite berry]

Stockholm syndrome and lacking serious competition. Like I said, T17 can push out garbage updates like U18 and people are stuck with it because there is no real competition.

[grizzled kiln]

They can make a Hell Let Loose 2142 if they want to

[gusty venture]

True

It's a one of a kind game

[thin lotus]

I still want to know how BM was able to offload this IP to T17.
Max must have had some pretty slick words, wonder what it was.

[gusty venture]

They had about 40 million reasons to

[grizzled kiln]

That sum was so wild. Not even worth 1/10th tbh

[dim prawn]

So. Ran this past my server, wanted to know what you guys think.
Would a review bomb actually work to make them reconsider how they do things? Or would it just hurt the game/community in the long run

[grizzled kiln]

Prob won't do much

[slate canopy]

I think review bombing any game hurts the game and community in the long run.

[grizzled kiln]

Server owners would need to cancel their subs and then it would have an impact

[dim prawn]

worked for HD2 and War Thunder

[grizzled kiln]

Force people on the official servers with no admins. and T17 get hit finalcially

[finite berry]

Review bombings can help. But in this case, it wouldn't sway T17 and it would only harm the community.

[gusty venture]

Too late in the game for a review bomb fr

[grizzled kiln]

prob

[dim prawn]

Did someone say they’re on vacation for something?

[grizzled kiln]

yup

nice timing 😄

[gusty venture]

Idk I've never really had an opinion one way or another on review bombs. I've always thought hitting them in their pockets other ways have been effective

[slate canopy]

Just Ben, the CM.

[grizzled kiln]

All server owners get together and cancel all subs. Put all comp tournaments on hold. That could have an impact.

[finite berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/538055883075354637/1425201498769330216/image.png?ex=68eb5714&is=68ea0594&hm=b8ce8d223ee40946ffa5531cdde4c4eac6bf05e9d24e86151c8f3b575f98a0bf&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[grizzled kiln]

no also lead dev

[finite berry]

Ben now also is on vacation lmao

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/eelco-eelco-de-boer-winst-winstnl-business-gif-19398296

[slate canopy]

I know nothing of that. 🤷‍♀️ doesn't mean ALL the devs are on vacation.

[vale garnet]

This wouldn’t do anything either, servers are third party not T17 owned

[grizzled kiln]

but t17 obv gets a cut of the profits

[slate canopy]

But also, let people take their vacations 😅 Just unfortunately timed.

[finite berry]

Won't happen.

[vale garnet]

Also tournaments are already postponed a week because the game is so broken but they won’t be cancelled

[grizzled kiln]

I know 😄

[finite berry]

That's really the thing. It is almost comically bad timing.

"yeah, here, have this broken mess of an update, bye, off to vacation!"

[grizzled kiln]

Just shows you how they run things at T17

No properly run company would allow it

[covert elbow]

Maybe maybe not, but it would show how this games been treated horribly and is not in a place to be bought right now. I’m honesty shocked the game still has “Very Positive” on steam since the last couple of updates

[gilded spade]

The server owners now will most likely have servers in HLLV. Which I don’t know will happen for HLLV now

[finite berry]

Having it worded like that, that gives off some actual gigachad vibes xDDD

doesn't test
drops bugged update
refuses to elaborate any further
goes on vacation

[slate canopy]

It may have been a scheduled vacation planned like 6 months ago, and the update push happened to be just before it. 🤷‍♀️ Who knows.

[fervent dagger]

Also didn't they say it was just one guy. Not like that's going to affect things much. Assuming its not a solo dev team lol.

[gusty venture]

I almost said 343 did it for infinite, but you DID say properly run

[slate canopy]

Heck, I've already advised my work I may be out of the country in March/April and literally haven't booked anything.

[finite berry]

To be honest, same xD I was checking yesterday and I was genuinely baffled it was still positive xD

[covert elbow]

No they’ve done this way to many times where they release an update, have it break the game, then go on vacation where they fix it afterwards

Does no one remember Christmas last year?

[slate canopy]

I don't keep track of it 🤷‍♀️

[finite berry]

Yes, I even remember which presents I got 😛

[vale garnet]

Trusting t17 to do literally anything good is dumb

Even the things the community have praised them for have often been false truths

[covert elbow]

Yep

The negatives outweigh the positives a lot of the time anyway

[vale garnet]

Removing filters: bypassing that takes 5 seconds

Slowing sprint speed back: still faster than it was before

Improving performance: simply moved the culprits of loss to other things than map assets

They’ve done nothing but make the game worse

[grizzled kiln]

Boost performance by artificially limiting your view distance with fog and stuff

[thin lotus]

🙊

Execute Order 88:
Put fog on every map

[vale garnet]

Fog which also actively benefits people with filters because you can basically remove it btw

That’s funny to me

[covert elbow]

No that was because people kept turning their brightness up to 200% and bypassed the night map lighting

[vale garnet]

Still works

[grizzled kiln]

Read above. Filters still bypass 😄 lol

[thin lotus]

New Update title, "Fog'd Up"

[covert elbow]

So instead of limiting the settings to 125% or something they added fog

[covert elbow]

Not for console at least

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/connor-mc-gregor-gtfo-gtfoh-get-the-fuck-out-of-here-gif-10203692

[vale garnet]

I play on 135 even on day maps, limiting brightness just isn’t a real solution

[covert elbow]

Maybe. But it’d help with people getting an advantage easily

[vale garnet]

The solution is to not have night maps because they’re just a dumb attempt to feign variety

[covert elbow]

I remember I played with the creator of eTool and when we played foy night he immediately told the newbies in the squad to turn their brightness to 200%

I kinda just sat there like “… what? Why?”

[vale garnet]

With filters on, 200 brightness and some good monitor settings night maps are actually even easier than day maps to see on

[covert elbow]

The ACTUAL solution is to give night maps proper nighttime lighting with unique ambient lights in an otherwise dark af map

Not this cheap lazy halfway black skybox that gives off basically the same amount of light

It’s like BM and T17 never went outside at night

If people want to cheat on those maps then whatever. The devs need to limit it as much as possible but those few shouldn’t ruin the whole for everyone

By that logic they shouldn’t change gunplay at all because some cheaters can get aimbot’s and wall hacks

[silk igloo]

it a night map it would be all the easier to tell if someone is cheating if everyone knew that beyond X distance, without any light source, you cant be seen

[nova pivot]

I Will burn T17 office

[gusty venture]

Dude… when I saw teammates disappearing on Alamein while I was tanking I got off. Can’t even tank in peace

[thin lotus]

that was probably just the 500m infantry culling, given the map and you tanking

[covert elbow]

They’ll mute you for this btw

So you probably shouldn’t say this

[gusty venture]

When did that happen? Was that part of one of their performance updates? And invisible hedges on other maps

That was all new to me

[nova pivot]

🥺

They now I'm joking

[thin lotus]

the 500m infantry visibility has been in the game since the beginning

assets disappearing is another issues, that's to do with LODs

[nova pivot]

I would never damage the office where my beloved Ben work

[covert elbow]

They don’t care

[gusty venture]

I surely don’t remember that. But I started tanking late in my career

[covert elbow]

I jokingly said “Cover 6 studios for assassinated” back when they got shut down and I got muted

[nova pivot]

Skill issue

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-gold-ship-winning-attacks-montage-gif-5551801982804505922

[nova pivot]

Deserved

[grizzled kiln]

Inf stops rendering at 500m and vehicles at 1000m. Not new.

[silk igloo]

vehicles at 1000m is still new to me... why did they do it

[grizzled kiln]

For performance reasons probably. The inf at 500m is silly though

[silk igloo]

if they just scaled both player count and map size down by 34%, it'd effectively be the same game but would perform better, right

[thin lotus]

unnecessarily huge maps

[primal elk]

Bro this game sucks 20 Erros today

Haufen Hunde Scheiße in German

[finite berry]

Then return it on Steam. If you can't do that, uninstall it. Otherwise, just stop playing? 😄

[primal elk]

Bro thats not how tu slove problems you know that right

[finite berry]

It would solve the issue of you being frustrated lol

[primal elk]

i wanne play the game but its sucks when u get kick fo no reason

Yeah but thats dump

[finite berry]

Wait for the hotfix

Like I said, some time next week

[covert elbow]

Scaling down the maps would be a godsend tbh. Their way to big for 50 V 50

[silk igloo]

The size is fine, they're just too dense for the mechanics. I keep telling you, on Kursk, Foy or El Alamein, you can have the entire width of the map occupied

[covert elbow]

Just wish there was an incentive to also fill the map

Cramming the entire fight into a single square for the objective kinda kills some games for me

I wish the objectives were more expansive

And for offensive having multiple objectives per sector would be nice, but they’d have to be “destory X objective so the attacking team doesn’t have to hold multiple objectives to capture the sector

[silk igloo]

There is always an incentive go a bit wider than the enemy so the end of their line gets crushed in a crossfire, or their spawns get taken out by someone who just ran past them. But on denser maps, even if you do make a wider line than the enemy and crush them at the far end of the map, they'll just respawn down the line and may outnumber your team elsewhere and win by sheer numbers. Because it takes too long to catch them

[covert elbow]

Most of the games I’ve played as well has 97% of the team only focused on the objective with no one securing flanks or surroundings POI’s

But yea, most of the time it’s whoever has the better spawn wins

[silk igloo]

Or rather, how you use them. I also keep telling people to not use red garris because they so often leave the front door open

It's fine for one squad, but if one squad cannot get through with a red garry, it's unlikely that 2 will do it either because that 1 squad is already intercepted and stacking bodies does not work

[thin lotus]

Warfare was a mistake

[covert elbow]

Yep. Outposts can usually do what garrisons cannot

[covert elbow]

Facts

[echo karma]

Copypasta

[covert pewter]

game menu now opens by "p" key)))

[prime wagon]

Not a fan of this update. Rah rah, adding my comment to the rabble.

[covert pewter]

Path to success:

1. Add more bugs (tanks)
2. Add something that wasn't requested (kill screen)
3. Don't do playtests
4. Of course, don't play your own game
5. And fog... more fog on all maps. Players should see only fog and nothing but fog

[sturdy quarry]

6. have no plans for quick hotfix despite knowing it wasnt playtested

[grizzled kiln]

7. Profit

[nova pivot]

8. Ignore your community

[covert pewter]

I'm playing on the official server right now. The new commander ability is simply amazing. Now you can destroy 1-3 garrisons every 4 minutes. The poor guys can't even get out of their HQ.

[main harness]

Did we get an update yet

[gray lagoon]

we got on last tuesday

[lime cypress]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1406434934934999080/1425310513012801587/attachment.gif

[main harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1406434934934999080/1425558766572540087/attachment.gif

[covert elbow]

That’s hilarious

[hybrid sage]

#hll-memes message

[crimson cobalt]

Wow you guys cooked with u18. I’m glad you went the route of testing instead of pushing out something broken on the same weekend your comp community was in full swing and waited for after the bf6 release.

[hazy owl]

I believe there is a lot of players who would be willing to f around on their dev build environment if they were willing to invite these people to test it since T17 is busy developing the new game and there is obviously near zero budget for play testing... I also don't understand why don't they leave the PTE online for longer so people can join any time and f around there... if the industry continues going this way they are asking for some kind of EU regulator to fine them for releasing this horse waste

[atomic mural]

except they are a British developer/publisher and not subject to eu regs?

[pine timber]

:p

[hazy owl]

I mean imgur is US company I cannot access it due to GB regulation

[hazy owl]

There is a reason why US food does not reach the EU market - it does not meet the criteria. This is about consumer protection. The release of BF2042 is a stellar example why there should be some sort of regulatory body, unfortunately, very necessary in the current climate. Do you remember the times you could download a DEMO and try it out before purchasing? Nowadays you need to take a gamble. Thank God for Steam being decent and refund players who asked for it because BF2042 was a scam.
Anyways, since HLL can drop a "patch" everyone is forced to download in order to continue using the product, the game, and the game or servers or both are crashing, when are you eligible for some sort of compensation or refund? It seems there is no such a thing at the moment or they would never end up just dropping a release like that.
We became the play testers. We pay for the game servers. We have the right to be angry.
If anything, this is a great precursor to anyone NOT TO PREORDER the upcoming Hell Let Loose: Mortain.

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-boo-tired-exhausted-blink-gif-16773053

[covert elbow]

That’s why you don’t buy any DLC, leave a negative review, tell others not to buy the game, and rally people to tell the devs they’ve done a terrible job

I do agree gamers should have more rights if a game does something like that but that’s not an option sadly. All we can do is make our minds clear and vote with our wallets, then encourage others to do the same

[visual inlet]

I just bought the game and its fun to play, what is the problem exactly? I dont get it

[past vortex]

hehe

[misty belfry]

Lelel

[cyan saddle]

An update that was released last week has been causing some... issues

[visual inlet]

Is that why the vehicles feel kinda laggy?

[gentle lintel]

[redacted] ||people are fun ruiners||

[cyan saddle]

british people

[gentle lintel]

Woah woah woah

[cyan saddle]

Yeah yeah yeah*

Kind regards from your neighbours across the channel

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[covert elbow]

Constant crashing, stuttering, tanks becoming neigh unplayable in many situations, general downturn of quality assurance and general playability of the game, etc

This updates the straw that broke the camels back

[visual inlet]

Ah they probably in over their head with unreal engine

lelelel they still nubs

[covert elbow]

Oh so we’re going to ignore the games current state? I can see why you’ve been a mod for so long Drew

[gentle lintel]

Just to make it clear IM NOT BRI’ISH

[hazy owl]

Hey, I've just finished very good match 3 hours ago and enjoy playing the game.
On the other hand I don't remember how many people told me in the command chat about their game crashing due to the most recent "patch".

[cyan saddle]

Canada on top

[misty belfry]

They are dealing with some wild code they didn't write and that's not the only problem

[thin lotus]

Considering the amount of times the games been on sale throughout the years, anyone who’s remotely interested in it has already bought it.

Any sale beyond this point is probably just a bonus to t17

[covert elbow]

HLL when it was created was horribly done as been shown by the devs being pretty open on how unworkable the system is, it being on unreal engine isn’t really a factor here

[visual inlet]

ah tech issues oke, thats kind of a luxury nowadays. Its not like they do lame microtransactions

[gentle lintel]

Some people have fun, some people don’t, it’s not beneficial to be in here (or anywhere) telling people otherwise

[covert elbow]

Oh don’t worry

THEY DO

[gentle lintel]

(Not directed at you directly)

[visual inlet]

I don't see RGB anime skins yet

[covert elbow]

I’m going to call the pot a pot Drew. Saying the dirty unwashed filthy pot is fine for making dinner isn’t the solution here

[finite berry]

That's a pretty low bar to set, tho

[covert elbow]

People can have fun doing anything. That isn’t the point here

[visual inlet]

have you been playing games nowadays?

the bar is low

[finite berry]

Yesn't.

[visual inlet]

also no p2w

[finite berry]

The bar is low, but Hell Let Loose claims to be a somewhat realistic WW2 shooter

[visual inlet]

or just very incompetent game design

[finite berry]

And in that category, it fails miserably, anime skin or no anime skin

[covert elbow]

Ever since the T17 take over the cosmetics have become more and more unrealistic and horribly made. Some of them are quite litteraly plastic

[cyan saddle]

looks over his shoulder to see if Chum is watching

[nova pivot]

The ranger 🤢

[visual inlet]

Oh, they didnt start out with T17? Thats worrying

[gentle lintel]

I’ll give a 10/10 on the analogy only

[finite berry]

T17 bought it from Black Matter Studios

[covert elbow]

the sheer amount of skins is also an issue because the devs are now scraping the barrel to find barely used uniforms like the recent cossak for the Russians

[finite berry]

Yep

[covert elbow]

And I’ll keep ignoring you

[gentle lintel]

That was violent

[covert elbow]

🤝

[misty belfry]

Isn't it call a spade a spade

[finite berry]

Plus, it's just immersion-breaking seeing stuff like that (Cossacks in Stalingrad, winter uniforms on summer maps)

[misty belfry]

And the pot calling the kettle black

[visual inlet]

no way, this game is about destroying people but we cant curse xdddd

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669

[finite berry]

Average Discord server experience

[cyan saddle]

Partnered Discord server moment

[visual inlet]

yeah that is kinda weird, but luckily not that impactful. I mean you want the camo effect regardless

[finite berry]

But that's the thing, I'm expecting the exact opposite from a game that calls itself even remotely realistic

[misty belfry]

Immersion breaking is subjective, there are elements that are realistic but not everything can be

[nova pivot]

It depends on how much you know about history.

[visual inlet]

the core second to second experience is very semi-realistic. Thats what im there for

[misty belfry]

Exactly

[nova pivot]

For a casual history fan it doesn't matter

[misty belfry]

Or weapons sounds etc

[finite berry]

Nothing in HLL is realistic. The game feels authentic and immersive from time to time, but that's it

[hazy owl]

that's why so few remain playing cause many people cannot endure the first tens of hours before reaching a solid KD ( > 1 )

[nova pivot]

But here we are nerds

[past vortex]

and gaming

[finite berry]

Second to second?

[finite berry]

Which brings us neatly to the point that HLL got casualised 🙃

[visual inlet]

yeah like what you're doing the majority of the time

[nova pivot]

Yes

[finite berry]

It's not realistic, but immersive. But I get what you mean.

[misty belfry]

In absolute terms sure but on a scale it's one of the most realistic WW2 shooters

[covert elbow]

Been one of the biggest issues of the game tbh. It sucks being an enjoyer of history and seeing all of these weird uniform combos. I think the biggest offender is the rolled up sleeves German and the assault vest on foy

[visual inlet]

How would you improve this game, im a designer so im curious

[nova pivot]

That is horrible, it is losing the unique identity that I bought it for

[visual inlet]

Im a ww2 addict so maybe I dabble with this some day

[gentle lintel]

Anime, we’ve said it for years

[finite berry]

Eh... that's a big stretch. It's a hardcore, less cringe version of Battlefield V.

[gentle lintel]

But they don’t listen

[visual inlet]

it is actually a market gap

if I had money I would lmao

[gentle lintel]

Not wrong. Alt-history anime ww2

[visual inlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu9EYHjohp0&list=RDcu9EYHjohp0&start_radio=1

[misty belfry]

Pleated skirts sells

[hazy owl]

Have you tried to watch any new Netflix show? There is this Monster: The Ed Gein Story that popped up on my screen today so I decided to give a try while eating dinner and boy oh boy 30 minutes in and I wanted to scrape my eyes out... the bar is low indeed

[covert elbow]

Get a uniform toggle so uniforms and tank skins are what you put them as

Update the gunplay to be more then the laser tag we have now

Make tanks truly unique and give them more of an effect on the battlefield by limiting rocket launchers and nerfing satchels so at max they can only disable the tank module their placed on

Completely overhaul the stock sound SFX and VFX the game currently uses

Allow minor customization to the classes and get rid of the archaic loadouts we have now

Get more devs to fix all the various bugs and technical issues the game has now

Increase the player count and make the maps smaller depending on mode

This game needs a ton of work to truly be one of the best WW2 shooters of all time. We have the foundation, now we just need to build

[covert elbow]

Hahaha…

No

[past vortex]

all nice and so, but for starters it shouldnt crash and next thing should be a working scoreboard :}

[hazy owl]

On of the reason I enjoy HLL is that it's kind of arcadish and not a milsim.. it's not like Arma or Squad

[past vortex]

one after the other

[visual inlet]

Can you elaborate on laser tag gunplay?

[gray lagoon]

What else is there

[covert elbow]

Oh and make an actual health and injury system so the medic has more use and you don’t just put a bandage on your chest from getting shot in the leg

And tickets. Let’s not forget a hybrid ticket/ timer system

There’s a lot of thoughts I have on “improving” the game haha

[past vortex]

ninja wants them to make make the game finally unplayable

[gray lagoon]

Ticket systems are horrible

[finite berry]

damit

[finite berry]

They are absolutely necessary.

[wind shore]

Hey guys

[kind fable]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hazy owl]

Lol how was that bot able to upload an image here? Does it have extra permissions? 😄

[gray lagoon]

It means that you can still lose the game if you control a majority of the points

[finite berry]

Yes which is a bloody good thing.

[past vortex]

one the those trolls, they get extra perms from the mods

[covert elbow]

As of now guns in HLL are basically laser beams. Theres not a lot of nuance to them except aim and shoot. I’m not talking about stuff like cleaning your weapons or clearing jams like a lot of people like to “counter” this arguement with. I mean have noticeable effects when in different firing positions, going from sprint to shooting having an effect on accuracy, weapon overheating, gun recoil etc

[worthy charm]

Lies

[wind shore]

Hey guys

[past vortex]

:D

[worthy charm]

Dont trust him

[gray lagoon]

This would cause people to just hunt down enemies and kill as many of possible instead of trying to act strategically and take points by flanking and other means

[wind shore]

How are you

[past vortex]

no, dont trust willes, he ruined my game earlier

[covert elbow]

Make guns actually feel like guns. Make me have to learn them and have each be an effective weapon for specific scenarios outside of ROF and TTK

[visual inlet]

wouldnt points have more of an impact on tickets

[worthy charm]

Im the best tanker it the whole worldo!!

im not

but we did win!!!

[past vortex]

i got an fatal error :{

[gray lagoon]

Im not saying that it would completely cause people to not care about points, but the way to win in a ticket system is to die less and kill more enemies

[finite berry]

That is simply not correct; games like Squad and Squad 44 prove you wrong.

[echo karma]

He's always here like me

[worthy charm]

Epic, happend to the guys with a lot

[visual inlet]

kind of sounds like the limits of playing with mouse and keyboard. Maybe in VR it could be more expansive

[worthy charm]

they got VIP tho :}

[echo karma]

Chum been doin before me lol

[covert elbow]

I’m on controller gamer

[gray lagoon]

squad 44 has 168 players on steam and in my opinion squad is a totally different game due to the modern automatic weapons

[covert elbow]

Just shoot some guns in something like battlefield and then play HLL. You’ll immediately get what I’m talking about

[echo karma]

Mods detected

[finite berry]

The player count is absolutely irrelevant. People flank and play strategically there, same with Squad. Your point simply is not correct, sorry not sorry.

[visual inlet]

so you would like guns to have a more pronounced range of effectivity?

[covert elbow]

And handling

[covert elbow]

The current OHK to X meter isn’t that fun at the end of the day

[finite berry]

In any case, having tickets, local or global, I don't care, would be better than this illogical meatgrinder slop

[echo karma]

Idk why don't got a bigger player count tbh. It's a bit more realistic than hll and less than reforger

[covert elbow]

Something to go along with this should be an update to the player hitboxes

[gray lagoon]

Its graphics are terrible

[past vortex]

you are ridiculous ninja

[covert elbow]

Make it so the spot to OHK a player is much more limited on the chest and head

[echo karma]

Same price as hll too

[visual inlet]

so you want it to be less realistic and more directly strategic when it comes to range play

like bf

[past vortex]

talking about advanced stuff in a game where they cant even fix the scoreboard or mae it not crash :D

[covert elbow]

Then for the appendages and other parts of the body should have debuffs like unable to ADS, sprint, less breath, etc

[echo karma]

I don't like dranking water so not my cup of tea

[finite berry]

Inferior to HLL's, but not bad. In any case, not a reason why the playercount is so low.

[covert elbow]

Kind of?

[covert elbow]

Nah HLL’s are pretty bad in all honestly. Everything on console is like 240p

[visual inlet]

what did you think of BF5?

[echo karma]

Abandoned by devs too. Like hll soon.tm

[covert elbow]

I mean it’s my top pic for one of the best battlefields

[visual inlet]

what makes you play HLL when you could play BF5?

[covert elbow]

I don’t play HLL that often anymore

I play a couple of matches every update, get my feedback, report, and then maybe play some games everyonce in a while with some friends

[echo karma]

Gunplay. And that's about it. Also sometimes a better sense of teamwork

[worthy charm]

I just played like 5h only in tanks...

[echo karma]

Tho often times 1 or 2 ppl can win the game by thereselves

[worthy charm]

Getting stucked is really weird now, before U18 it was easier to know where you are stuck

[echo karma]

Before, everywhere. Now everywhere ×2 everyone's a recon vehicle yay

[worthy charm]

Recon is easier to get stuck

[echo karma]

Next there gonna say we're buffing recon tanks cuz they die in shot to mediums are rockets and that's not far

[worthy charm]

The Stuart really only gets stuck somewhere if you crash him into tiny spaces

[echo karma]

Driving with 120ms ping is no fun.

[worthy charm]

like those wooden gates on trenches or inbetween a bush and a tree stump

[past vortex]

i would have spawned you a panther but we were allies

[echo karma]

Used to be able to slap run em over. Trenchs are the biggest issue that makes no sense to a tracked vehicle. Should go right over easy. Mud should be horribly slow imo. Snow not so. Snow mud, broken tracks

Incentives to drive on roads is a death sentence for any tank players. And makes zero sense

[worthy charm]

You monster

[echo karma]

This is a battle. Not a supply convey

[worthy charm]

Also we were the US team

Imagine you getting me a panther regardless

[past vortex]

i said that

i could have gone for a 75 tho

[echo karma]

Idk why they changed the driving either. Cuz nobody really even used the manual gear box. Plus it's just annoying from a gameplay perspective

[static monolith]

I hear Stalingrad got reworked

Man whens the last time we even got a new Soviet map?

[covert elbow]

2023 iirc

But we’re getting a new one in a month or 2, solmensek

[static monolith]

I swear to God

Pls just make the next map British or Russian

Like I don't mind the US being plastered everywhere but aren't we on Like 90% of the maps?

[azure heath]

Next map is Soviet..

[static monolith]

Sick

They gotta give us Berlin before HLL Vietnam drops man

[azure heath]

They won’t

[slate canopy]

#telegrams message

Dev brief earlier of the next map

[static monolith]

Or you know what

Maybe a new Axis state

Germany IS on every map so far

[azure heath]

German subfactions could scratch that itch

[static monolith]

Finland wouldn't be too damn difficult

[azure heath]

They cancelled it

[static monolith]

Damn

[azure heath]

dev team ain’t all that great

[sick torrent]

How do I resolve the error: kicked out by the host?

[wind shore]

Find a new server 😂

[echo karma]

Email t17 support

[echo karma]

Is that a joke?

[past vortex]

damn <@&365680483276816385> , someone is giving out 88 cent

[slate canopy]

I saw it lol

[past vortex]

now twas funny

[visual inlet]

Italy would be pretty cool

[kind fable]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[slate canopy]

It's rare, but man it stucks when it shows up lol

[kind fable]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[vast sphinx]

Would be sick to see

[echo karma]

Go on console and you hear the most insane sht every 2 seconds

[kind fable]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[acoustic harbor]

How do I disable the Fatal error minigame? It's a neat feature, but I don't want to play it every day

[bold breach]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1406434934934999080/1425643806883188756/attachment.gif

[analog apex]

aint that true? 😄

even the game is trying to tell us there is no hope xD

[peak garnet]

I've been having a lot of Fatal Error in HLL... never had those since I've bought the game in the same PC setup. Has anyone got this also? Quite annoying...

[analog apex]

yep

Fatal error! started occuring with U17 and it seems it became much more prevalent with U18

[finite berry]

Just wait 'til 'U19 hits

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/big-floppa-floppa-sad-it's-over-rain-gif-2614335113295818251

Floppa get them!

[meager timber]

I'm wondering if they actually tested the update or is the codebase so bad that you can't predict how changes to it will affect the engine under full load

[finite berry]

Probably the former

I assume that they were under a ver tight schedule and simply didn't have time to test

[obtuse dragon]

probably both

[meager timber]

It reminds me of OSRS tbh. Change one thing and break three.

[obtuse dragon]

if you ever coded something (not even a game, straight up coding in general) you'll know how unpredictable it can be

sometimes the pre-existing code won't work just because it doesn't want to, sometimes it will crash for dumb reasons like failing to read smth

And, since HLL is such a big game (in mechanics) it's common for this type of issues to happen without the devs noticing them

[analog apex]

funny how they happen much less in equally complex games then

[obtuse dragon]

probably because they actually test everything

[analog apex]

exactly

[obtuse dragon]

unlike the hll devs which I THINK that only tested a bit

[analog apex]

HLL devs don't seem to be testing their changes nor playing their own game in general

hence, they don't notice anything

whatever the truth is, this is how it has exactly looked like so far

[obtuse dragon]

i feel they only test things on the surface

instead of doing some heavy testing they come, they look atthe new thing and then say "yeah this is fine"

[meager timber]

if time/money is the constraint that caused this then you would think that pushing a buggy update would cost them more than just testing thoroughly

but what do i know

[finite berry]

True. Most people really don't realise just how messy coding can be and how little sense it often makes when something breaks for whatever reason 😄

[obtuse dragon]

but i think that some pc's are more prone to the fatal error than others

[analog apex]

I wouldn't says so - since so many people are now suddenly talking about them

it's the same like with the stutters - even people with the high end PCs have them

seems like random selection 😄

and then... the "connection lost to host" disconnects

[sacred river]

wth is this temporary cooldown effect for client error

[analog apex]

huh?

[obtuse dragon]

i remember having to code a page once and it was so bad that the page didn't even show the words correctly 😭

[sacred river]

I just got an error after trying to join a server saying; "Temporary cooldown in effect for client, expires in 10 minutes", I was already in a server when it gave me packet overload, kicking me out. That's what happened when I tried to rejoin

[analog apex]

never heard about that one before

wasn't it some joke temp ban admin message or something?

[sacred river]

Nope

I sent you a screenshot

[analog apex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426880279523623003/1426880288541245520/e06f9d1106ddb3330193afb859aac4a9.png?ex=68ecd552&is=68eb83d2&hm=138dd0bfb4f6e310bde8620cb875c190cdd779697a06927252cded8657edae2f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

like wtf 😄

no idea man... devs always come with some new problem 😄 , hard to keep up with them

[meager timber]

What's your bandwith?

[sacred river]

I was playing a day ago perfectly fine with the normal crashing that everyone gets every now and then. Then today, those 2 errors happened.

Never had that happen before. Also how do I check bandwith?

[meager timber]

With a speedtest. I don't think the problem is on your end but the easiest way to rule yourself out is to test your internet speed and reset router. If that doesn't help then it's server side

[sacred river]

500/515 D/U

[analog apex]

you have played enough for now, you need a cooldown xD

[meager timber]

Alright, no limiters applied? Shouldn't be because of bandwidth. The other thing you can do is resetting router. If the problem persists then it's server side

[sacred river]

Guess I can wait till the cooldown and try again, and if it happens then I'll reset my router.

[meager timber]

It's probably server side since there has been so much problems with servers crashing and rcon not working.

[sacred river]

It do be like that

[obtuse dragon]

surprisingly i only got the fatal error once and a connection lost to host twice

[nova pivot]

Hello sam

[obtuse dragon]

and the fatal error saved me from a long match and gave me my xp instantly

[nova pivot]

How are you doing?

[tall kindle]

Why is it now harder to gain xp I get a fraction of the gain I used to

[analog apex]

maybe you haven't played enough?

whole server just got lost conenction to host where I was at... right now

didn't last even 1 full round

[grizzled kiln]

Had 2 of those the other day. Sucks

[fleet jacinth]

I've given up playing until they fix it, I just get annoyed.

[slate canopy]

When I played last night, joined first match just fine, it finished maybe 10-15 mins later, switch maps was fine, and second map lasted 25 mins. No issues.

[obtuse dragon]

literally the only game i've played these days

[nova pivot]

🫂

[worthy charm]

🫂

[nova pivot]

🫂

[obtuse dragon]

like, i need to get the panzergrenadier class and the STG for the assault class 😭

[worthy charm]

They should really nerf lvl 9 assault

STG + Grenades + Satchel is so op

[nova pivot]

Nah

It's okay

[worthy charm]

Its way to strong, also good players like you dont even need it.

[nova pivot]

They should give the BAR to the American assault

[worthy charm]

You kill them all regardless

[past vortex]

US assault gets the short stick

[tall kindle]

That why you need to grind for years to get level 9

[obtuse dragon]

They should instead give them a ppsh 🤓

[worthy charm]

Not really, its takes either about 50h or 6h with bob and friends

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-chibireviews-chibi-baka-stupid-gif-8139138422679090681

[obtuse dragon]

Or build nodes and change to that class

[nova pivot]

That is the morally accepted way

[obtuse dragon]

actually, a good strat to level up is to say "hey engineers we should build defenses on the second point"

[past vortex]

i hate that

i see the use for mid point

[obtuse dragon]

You get a lot of points if you help them and the enemy will have to face a stronghold once they get the mid point

And if they don't get the mid point, then even better because you'll already have a sht ton of support points

[worthy charm]

Everytime I try to build defenses I either get champed by recon or my team end the round in 10 minutes.

[past vortex]

if its on 2nd point it most often gets overrun anyway

[obtuse dragon]

damn, that's unlucky, i normally just go with a couple of random engies to build defenses

[past vortex]

*not participate in the battle

[obtuse dragon]

the idea is to level up

[past vortex]

just build nodes, destroy some garries and make some kills

or do it while seeding

[obtuse dragon]

"drawing tutorial"

"step one, draw some lines"

"step two, enjoy"

[past vortex]

yea its ez

but doing it while seeding is fine

[narrow monolith]

Guys how do yall feel that ME and Marlon fooled the internet

[narrow monolith]

Remember to touch the paper with a pencil to leave pencil marks

[rocky linden]

I crash like every game man this is terrible

[past vortex]

my prediction is that the devs aint even aware of the client side crashes.....

[broken shoal]

hello where is patch

[obtuse dragon]

on its way as far as i know

they'll release a hotfix in a couple of days

[rocky linden]

How do you break the game with every update you release though. Do they not test it?

[obtuse dragon]

The same things dbd players have been asking themselves for years...

[split lynx]

Why does everyone say the m1 carbine is bad? The sight is so good and it feels so nice to use

[rocky linden]

The damage

[past vortex]

its the range

its strictly worse than the garand

[split lynx]

Oh, I’m new to the game so i didn’t realise lol

[split lynx]

But you can spam it so fast in mid and close range lol

German guns have the worst sights in my opinion

[past vortex]

short range its workable but not better, so overall just worse

[finite berry]

You got experience in games similar to this one?

[split lynx]

Nope

I played the finals and war thunder before

[finite berry]

How much experience/playtime in HLL do you have so far?

[split lynx]

50 hours max

[finite berry]

check

[split lynx]

I took like a 5 month break I’m back a week ago

[finite berry]

Strongly recommend you check out some tutorials #1273828697941606450

[split lynx]

Outside rn I’ll check when I get home

[split lynx]

Ooo thanks I will

[finite berry]

No, I meant "check" as in "I understand" 😄

[split lynx]

Ohh 😭

[obtuse dragon]

You just need to learn to hit your shots,lower range and damage at the exchange of almost no recoil

And (to me atleast) has better sights and more ammo that you can spend with constant shots towards your enemy, it isn't a bad weapon, to me it's more of a sidegrade

[visual inlet]

is there any good hll discord communities for vc's?

[worthy charm]

There are a lot, you can find a few in #1343090646168240199

[obtuse dragon]

Also, do you guys think that the germans will ever get an AT rifle like the panzerbüchse?

Lowkey, it would be peak

[red stump]

panzerfaust is probably the best word for a weapon

[obtuse dragon]

I mean, yeah, it was the standard rocket launcher, But the PzB was still used

[red stump]

i wasn't being argumentative, more supportive! i like umlauts also

buesche means what? book something?

or glue?

[obtuse dragon]

Oh! Dude, imagine a Pzf for level 6 instead of the Satchel

[covert elbow]

No. I do not believe the devs have it in them to add in new weapons or gadgets

Would be nice to get the buche and Faust though

[nova pivot]

No, that means the devs will need to work

I can't see that happening

[fervent dagger]

We are getting a bunch of tanks next update though so that's something

[finite berry]

Buch means book and Kleber means glue. Also, Büsche means bushes. :D Büchse refers to a rifle with a rifled barrel, deriving from the Middle High German "bühse" which means box or container (thanks, Wikipedia).

[finite berry]

Don't really see how that would fit. On one hand, replacing an explosive with a big rifle is weird

On the other hand, anti-tank rifles were pretty underwhelming against tanks, but I think HLL ignores that anyway?

[pine ember]

These false spellings of the German words truly reached a new level here

[finite berry]

Ey, they're not native speakers, don't blame 'em

Although it's amusing in some way, I agree 😄

[dense jewel]

WWII US Armored Division — Organization, Tactics & How It Worked
https://youtu.be/lJ9qAXIikLI

[obtuse dragon]

Pzf Is the panzerfaust

[finite berry]

Whoops, my bad

Thought you were still referring to the Panzerbüchse 😄

[pine ember]

I dont blame them, its just funny to read these words

[obtuse dragon]

It's literally the name of the weapon 😔

[pine ember]

And now gib me my beloved Raketenpanzerbüchse 54

[pine ember]

What name?

[obtuse dragon]

Panzerbüchse 30 smth i forgot the number🥺

[pine ember]

Ahhh

The 39?

[obtuse dragon]

Yeah

[pine ember]

The big brother of the Kar98

[obtuse dragon]

I think the pzb Should be added as a new Loadout for the AT class

After all, the US and Germans are the only without an AT rifle

[pine ember]

Yea, depends. Its production already was stopped in late 41 and by 1944 it was not in use anymore. It could be a loadout option for the DAK though

But even there, the thing is really early war, by mid war other AT options were available

[past vortex]

are you talking about panzerbüsche

[obtuse dragon]

I think it was still used on Stalingrad

[obtuse dragon]

Yeah, like the sturmpistole

[pine ember]

Yes, but it was already not that common anymore

[obtuse dragon]

it's literally the only one that I remember 😔

[pine ember]

Shaped charges

[obtuse dragon]

Idk I feel like the game needs more AT rifles, they're fun to use and really good against tanks now

[past vortex]

why would you say that

[obtuse dragon]

Unlike the AT Rocket launchers the AT rifles give you More flexibility and use

[obtuse dragon]

They buffed AT rifles a bit, and if you don't destroy the tank they're good for cheap damage and make them retreat

[finite berry]

which they shouldn't be

[obtuse dragon]

You can use them as an AT weapon and a rifle that instakills on any part of the enemy body

And if you run out of ammo you can easily get it back with a normal ammo box

[past vortex]

not buffed at all as far as ik

[obtuse dragon]

Yes it was

Check the patch notes for the AT guns on the Telegrams

[pine ember]

AT guns arent AT rifles

[past vortex]

at guns?

im sure the at rifles were not changed

[worthy charm]

AT rifles got a "buff"

[obtuse dragon]

yeah, at rifles, sorry I get confused with the names 😔

[pine ember]

What

[past vortex]

what

1 more shot in the back for heavies and 2 less for mediums....

[past vortex]

14 shots in the back is still not viable at all

[obtuse dragon]

A Buff is a Buff

And I like it

[past vortex]

they used to not do anything at all except from the back, idk if that changed

[obtuse dragon]

Seriously? I still found myself doing serious damage to the sides

[past vortex]

are you talking about light tanks

[obtuse dragon]

But I think that's a placebo effect made by red orchestra 😔

[obtuse dragon]

Tiger 1

[past vortex]

naw

[obtuse dragon]

Yes

[past vortex]

did no damage

maybe it does now, but no one cared to test

because lol

[obtuse dragon]

I did

And at rifles are lowkey peak